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[MagnaofIllusion]

Nevermind ninjaed.

@Transcend

- you going to vote hiplop now?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I scumread kdowns actually. I dont townread snowstorm

Then riddle me this hiplop – why is it when I go through your ISO looking at your kdowns read this is all I see?

town: spiff, fox, imp, BRO, GRib, Ceph, Keyen, Kdowns.
rOLETOWN: MedicalJunkies

Null, but scummier than not: Kraska, Snarky, Transcend
Scum: Waco, Magna, Farside, Fire

Never trust kdowns

He seems like a town counterwagon to me

That’s it. You calling kdowns Town early on and saying that kdowns was a Town counter-wagon to scum. You certainly didn't vote your supposed scum read when he had a viable wagon Day 2.

I mean if you were Town I would have expected you to say “I’m voting them to save my own skin” or something to that effect.

Happy with my vote.

[MagnaofIllusion]

2651 is ambiguous and confusing

Did you bother to follow the link and read the surrounding posting for context?

[MagnaofIllusion]

That was literally a month ago moron

Remind me again when kdowns replaced out? Oh that's right - just about a month ago. So while he was in the game you called him Town repeatedly and just had this retroactive scum read well afterwards that there is no evidence in your ISO to support?

[]====== this.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hiplop want to help me lunch snowstorm?

thinking about it.

^^^^^^

Wow that sure shows that you were scum reading kdowns like you just retroactively claimed.

Oh wait ... it doesn't.

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[MagnaofIllusion]

I had him at the very bottom of my town pile very ealry on

Your points are so rock solid

And you’ve never said word one about said read changing while he was in the game.

Glad you agree that your scumminess is shining through.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Too early

No. Not to early. Overdue by like 2 game days.

Would you prefer someone else to hammer SnowStorm out of boredom as the game sits stagnant because about 50% of the game (Bro / Medical / hiplop / Snowstorn / Firebringer) is happy to do absolutely nothing?

Stringing the day out the prior 3 Days has netted zero Mafia lynches.

Hiplop needs rope.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Zulfy you've changed ...

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm vt and DW from arthur

And sure thing.

BRO - Obvious town. Constantly thinking beyond what is easy
Cephrir - Love him, unsure his alignment this game. Honestly, I tend to flipflop on this spot but mostly leaning town
Transcend - Very likely town. His reasonings make NO SENSE but not in a scummy way? I think hes just sort of lost, looking for wrong things
Firebringer- Honestly can't read fire, never have been able to. I have a slight townread, but its verrryyy slight.
Zulfy - Probablytown?
Grib - I thought town for a long time, but like...lately something just seems off. I think good chance he is scum
Kdowns/Snowstorm - Basically PoE, general scummy player.
Gamma - if you're town, you deserve to win. Dont think thats the case.
Magna - Scum
MJ - Scum

That reads list is so laughable it hurts. MJ as scum with Bro as Obv-Town? LOL!

One thing left to do with this scum ...

[MagnaofIllusion]

I mean at this stage anyone who wants to say hiplop isn't scum they have to be willing to say that hiplop is so incompetent that they are calling the person who confirmed the Friendly Neighbor as obv-Town and the Friendly Neighbor themselves as scum.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Currently VLA but Transcend isn't getting lynched with that shot record. Pretty clearly not a SK.

I want to look at wagons at this point. The Gamma wagon that got him to claim probably will be very informative.

Will probably get to Monday.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm still V/LA but a couple of things I want to say -

I believe having everyone in Ceph / Firebringer / Snowstorm / Zulfy dead locks the game for Town. Transcend isn't a Serial Killer and the fact that Snowstorm and Firebringer keep bringing it up is suspect. Zulfy is the one I want dead last as I've had a Town read on that slot but need to re-read farside

Bro should absolutely Bodyguard Transcend tonight. If I were to protect him he couldn't get a shot off. This way we can run through the list of 4 in at worst 2 to 3 lynches.

Firebringer's claim stares at me in the face as by far the worst. The claimed RoleCop's make no sense IMO. Day 2's supposed gambit makes no sense from an actual investigation role who confirmed that Spiffeh's slot wasn't lying about being Vanilla (or a Goon). And the Night 3 investigation is terrible given he could have confirmed the role of any of Gamma (which would have been a guilty given his fake-claim), Bro or myself instead of another convienent "Vanilla" investigation. The claim also seems at odds in how it was constructed compared to Grib's claim (but that's MOD WIFOM so it is the least strong of my reasons for suspicion).

I personally don't have any sort of Town read on Firebringer given his lackluster play and claim. Transcend do you have any specific reason why you Town read him so strongly.

Again I need, when I have solid time, to re-read a number of things from the previous Days and to re-read farside's ISO. Not voting until then.

I also need to look at the claims in full.

@Transcend

who in my group of 4 dead would you feel least comfortable shooting?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Back from V/LA.

So I took a spin through farside’s ISO. I didn’t see anything that stuck out as exceedingly scum. The worst part was some soft agreement with Keyen early on that made me puzzle why she supported said comments. But again I’d put Zulfy last on my “Needs Death” depth chart from the four I mentioned earlier.

First catching up on current events. Then going to look at Gamma and Keyen.

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My vote today is either be on Snowstorm, Ceph or Firebringer. There doesn’t seem to be much momentum for hanging Firebringer. Ceph I would not shed a tear if we went that way either. I do not feel lynching Zulfy. If Transcend wants to Vig that way he has his freedom of exercise gunplay at Night.

@Transcend

– I like the rundown you did on Gamma / Keyen. 4445 is the only one I have significant disagreement with. I could certainly see newb scum chainsawing for a partner there.

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What the fuck is this?

It’s my assessment of your play. It’s been bad. Don’t pretend it hasn’t. And your claimed RoleCop usage has been equally questionable.

Magna why would I check someone I am townreading to confirm their role? If I did that you would be up here saying me checking a town read makes no sense.

No, manga isn't this bad....

So you were Town-reading all of Bro / Gamma / Me? If that’s the case and you are now claiming that I’m scum that shows your reads pretty much sucked, huh?

The fact that you didn’t clear either Bro or Gamma was a dumb decision anyway you put it. Even if you are supposedly Town reading both slots.

but why isn't he dead if he is stopping kills?

Mental gymnastics to somehow justify the scum read on me given there are no other non-Bodyguard Town protective roles and we have two stopped Mafia kills.

Either scum or stupid.

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Lynch Snow, vig Ceph, and

Bro BGs Magna.

Yeah. MoI you down with this?

No I want Bro to bodyguard Transcend. That gives him protection and the ability to still shoot.

I don’t want protected for the reason that I’ve carefully left out of my claim to this point but I don’t see a point in continuing – I’m not a straight Commuterizer. I’m a Non-Consecutive Commuterizer. So I can’t target the same person two nights running. The hidden upside I haven’t mentioned is that I can self-target.

N1 and N3 I self-targetted. Yup, I’m a greedy self-protecting bastard. The whole reason I spilled my role Day 3 (which I intended to do from the start but Grib accelerated the process with his claim) was to hope to draw the Nightkill knowing I’d be safe even if scum had a Roleblocker. And I’m 99.9% it worked. The fact that Gamma backed right off suspecting me Day 4 I think is in large part to knowing their kill got stopped on me and when the eventual claim came in of protecting me Night 3 that scum reading me would be likely rope-inducing.

N2 as you know I protected Grib. Last Night I chose Bro. I wanted to take a shot at directly blocking the scum kill and figured Snowstorm was under way to much suspicion. Bro fit nicely into the range of players who were not under general fire who I figured might be making the Mafia kill.

Sorry Grib I blocked your ability twice in three days ….

So Bro protects Transcend. Transcend shoots whoever they want that isn’t lynched today. I’ll Commuterize whoever isn’t in those two who I think has the best chance of flipped scum. And we will see if the Mafia get a kill and who ends up dead.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Flip Ceph commute Z Vig Snow????

If snow is scum he's vanilla mafia so nothing wonky will happen with the night unless Fire is scum.

I like this plan. I'd prefer to Commute Firebringer but I can settle on Zulfy if enough players feel that is a better course of action.

I'd like to hear Grib's thoughts but I'm ready to vote Cephrir once we get his thoughts and positive confirmation from Bro that he is bodyguarding Trans.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok then it is set - Vig Snowstorm, Bodyguard Transcend, Commute Zulfy

VOTE: Ceph

[MagnaofIllusion]

So if scum decide to just not NK?

They lose a kill. Not that bad a thing with a limited pool of scum suspects to have scum just decide to pass on eliminating threats at this stage of the game.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Thanks for the game Faraday and Kitty. Everything you brought to the table in flavor and Modding is excellent and made the game as enjoyable as possible.

Generally I think this game was a tale of two phases – Day and Night.

During the Day Town didn’t play very well. I haven’t looked back but I imagine the only significant wagon that occurred on scum was the limited wagon on Gamma on he was pressured. Otherwise Town spent too much time during the day bickering amongst themselves and running up bad choices. While every scum member got some level of suspicion along the way nothing significant as far as Day threats materialized.

On the other hand Town won the Night phase. That much is clear and the fact that despite having no scum lynches Town was more or less assured of victory at the start of Day 5 shows it.

Transcend was the Town MVP for sure. I can’t quibble with a single one of his shot choices. I haven’t read the scum PT yet so not sure how much of a threat they assessed him at but it appears he did a good job not hitting the radar given he lived until he could finish the job.

And despite all the talk in the Dead PT every lynch from hiplop on was fine. The Town (due to preventing kills and Transcend) was in a position to lynch and shoot every questionable player and lock up a win no matter what scum ended up doing. As long as Transcend kept his Grib Town read (which was well warranted) and didn’t question whether I cleared Zulfy Town was going to win. In fact that is the only reason I agreed to the plan to clear Zulfy – two clears (Zulfy and Transcend) meant that the PoE vice was fully engaged and scum was screwed. Otherwise I would have just Commuted myself and gone after Firebringer the next day full bore.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Wow the Neighborhood topic was so small ....