Mini Normal 1827 - No Flavor Mafia (Game Over)

[BlackStar]

It was so obvious to you why didn't you immediately ask if it was a bluff or not?

[BlackStar]

I mean, if I thought someone was bluffing something like this I would've asked the mod to update the VC or something

Pedit: :/

[BlackStar]

Lol

[BlackStar]

The main point is that you didn't try to help us out even though it was possible you were about to die. You didn't know for sure that it was a bluff.

[BlackStar]

could care less at this point of the gamestate.

So you do care then.

i very clearly said i could care less which is a sentiment representing that i don't care.

The joke is that saying "could care less" means that you care at least a little bit or else you wouldn't be able to care less. You meant to say "I couldn't care less".

[BlackStar]

He has to bold it guys n gals lol

fake dayvigs are so passe

I always get on Nero's case about doing that but in his case he does bold it, its just he is not a dayvig.


So Skelda is replacing out hmmm

It was bolded

[BlackStar]

Guess he should've used dayvig, not shoot.

But you have to say shoot for the shot to work.

[BlackStar]

He's been abrasive in every game I've played with him and every game I've specced. You cannot infer his alignment from this abrasiveness. It's just a KTS attribute.

The same can be said for the reasons that you scum read titus

[BlackStar]

I don't think he's scum because he's abrasive. I think he's suck because he hasn't done anything to help the town throughout this entire game

[BlackStar]

*scum

[BlackStar]

I'm not sure if I should be concerned that 3 of the people from the xyzzy wagon are on this wagon.

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:
I have to go out right now, but I'll put my vote back when I get home

[BlackStar]

The fake dayvig wasn't the real reaction test. I was actually town reading KTS from way back here when eh was catching up on the game.

VOTE: Light

I'm leaving my vote here, going to eat, and when I get back, I expect Light to be dead.

I WENT B ACK TO CHECK TO THE REPLIES NAD LITHG IS ALREADY DEAD???

MY DREAM COME TRUE. A PERSON DIES BEFORE I EVEN SAY FOR THEM TO DIE

ha

I just don't think that scum would've faked that. It felt genuine to me. And he's said throughout the agen that he doesn't feel invested in it so it makes sense why he didn't seem to care much when he got "shot". I don't see any hidden agenda in his posts and he just looks like a townie who doesn't feel like doing much. The point of the fake shot was to look at the reactions of everyone else and see who would act opportunistically after it. Rachmarie stands out to me the most. We really should've lynched this slot ages ago. Sorry for using you to scum hunt, KTS.

VOTE: rachmarie

[BlackStar]

The fake dayvig wasn't the real reaction test. I was actually town reading KTS from way back here when he was catching up on the game.

VOTE: Light

I'm leaving my vote here, going to eat, and when I get back, I expect Light to be dead.

I WENT B ACK TO CHECK TO THE REPLIES NAD LITHG IS ALREADY DEAD???

MY DREAM COME TRUE. A PERSON DIES BEFORE I EVEN SAY FOR THEM TO DIE

ha

I just don't think that scum would've faked that. It felt genuine to me. And he's said throughout the game that he doesn't feel invested in it so it makes sense why he didn't seem to care much when he got "shot". I don't see any hidden agenda in his posts and he just looks like a townie who doesn't feel like doing much. The point of the fake shot was to look at the reactions of everyone else and see who would act opportunistically after it. Rachmarie stands out to me the most. We really should've lynched this slot ages ago. Sorry for using you to scum hunt, KTS.

VOTE: rachmarie

Fixed

[BlackStar]

though i feel if rach were jumping on me she wouldnt be pleading with me to do something

It looks to me like she knows that you're not going to be convinced by what she's saying so she's going to try and use that to say that town wouldn't be so uncooperative and we should lynch you

[BlackStar]

Isn't it L-2?

[BlackStar]

No words can describe you right now Naomi.
You literally just revealed to out a power role with 2 PR's already outed.

If we don't lynch scum today, we're probably screwed

[BlackStar]

Hi Expedience

Hey Rach, Expedience is the new Skelda

This is a scum slip, right?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: expedience

[BlackStar]

Why were you on the first page?

[BlackStar]

To make this list:

Gonna do this again:

1. Transcend

2. RachMarie

3. Killthestory

4. BlackStar
5. Creature

6. Expedience
7. Vedith
8. Blitzkrieg

9. Io
10. Naomi-Tan

Okay...

[BlackStar]

CAN YOU GUYS NOT DO STUPID SHIT LIKE L-1ING RACH WHILE I'M ASLEEP? DO I HAVE TO BE AWAKE FOR THE SANITY OF THIS GAME TO BE MAINTAINED?

She was never at L-1

[BlackStar]

Town blocks suck

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

I thought he was two-shot.

We already established that was a lie.

[BlackStar]

VOTE: expedience

Let's do this

[BlackStar]

any day you wanna admit your tunnel on me is confbias, have at it. each time you tunnel me it just gets more and more ridiculous.

this is a scumclaim

Transcend having zero paranoia of Vedith is suspicious. Transcend always makes an effort to make sure his townread on Vedith is clear while calling him wrong / discrediting him. Still think it's Vedith / Transcend. Could be Kill if only because the catchup not noticing light's flip was obviously fake. but Kill would do that as town

Titus feeling town, I haven't seen her as scum though. She'd have to be consciously faking this and it's a pretty bad strategy.

Yeah look I stated meta from V. He subbed into a scum slot that literally slipped and he redeemed it so well that I marked it as town. He was being extremely lamist making all sorts of believable reads and blablabla. This game he's being an utter tool and most likely confbias tunneling me and Naomi. I mean hell part of the reason he is tunneling us is due to both of us calling him "V". There's no way this play is from scum aka I have 0 paranoia.

Especially because my paranoia lies entirely within your slot and Blitzkrieg.

You're fake.

I was Vedith's scum partner in the game he's talking about. He's right

[BlackStar]

any day you wanna admit your tunnel on me is confbias, have at it. each time you tunnel me it just gets more and more ridiculous.

this is a scumclaim

Transcend having zero paranoia of Vedith is suspicious. Transcend always makes an effort to make sure his townread on Vedith is clear while calling him wrong / discrediting him. Still think it's Vedith / Transcend. Could be Kill if only because the catchup not noticing light's flip was obviously fake. but Kill would do that as town

Titus feeling town, I haven't seen her as scum though. She'd have to be consciously faking this and it's a pretty bad strategy.

Yeah look I stated meta from V. He subbed into a scum slot that literally slipped and he redeemed it so well that I marked it as town. He was being extremely lamist making all sorts of believable reads and blablabla. This game he's being an utter tool and most likely confbias tunneling me and Naomi. I mean hell part of the reason he is tunneling us is due to both of us calling him "V". There's no way this play is from scum aka I have 0 paranoia.

Especially because my paranoia lies entirely within your slot and Blitzkrieg.

You're fake.

I was Vedith's scum partner in the game he's talking about. He's right

What game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67932

[BlackStar]

He doesn't make strong pushes in that game and is a lot more cheerful. So you're right it's definitely different but not sure if that makes him town

I still really don't buy his push on Naomi, or BlackStar, or otherguy though. Those tunnels were seriously bullshit.

mmmmadsf; VOTE: Killthestory feels more right

I'm also up for this.. I just find it hard to believe in a bullet proof with so many other PR's in the game. like.. if he is BP then there is 5 Pr's and apparently scum shot KTS last night over blackstar // me // anyone else ontop of peoples town reads. Which doesn't line up for me.

It makes sense if scum gambled on me only having one shot and if I was town reading one of them. Since in conf town, keeping me alive if I town read them makes it easier for them to survive because I wouldn't be pushing for their lynch

[BlackStar]

Really?

Zero comments about how Creature knew Expedience was subbing in before the mod announced it. Y'all suck.

I already commented on that. Don't know how you could've missed that

[BlackStar]

Hi Expedience

Hey Rach, Expedience is the new Skelda

This is a scum slip, right?

VOTE: expedience

No, I read the OP

Why were you on the first page?

To make this list:

Gonna do this again:

1. Transcend

2. RachMarie

3. Killthestory

4. BlackStar
5. Creature

6. Expedience
7. Vedith
8. Blitzkrieg

9. Io
10. Naomi-Tan

Okay...

[BlackStar]

Creature's alibi matches up.
Dunn edited the OP at 3:02 and he made that post at 3:12.

Doesn't mean he was telling the truth about looking at it.

[BlackStar]

lol naomi and expedience have changed their read on me so many times

tho im not sure what creature and io are doing. im an obvious pr whos obvious town, like holy fuck. how many wagons are you gonna let scum drive, town?

Join the expedience wagon

[BlackStar]

For creature to be scum he would have to A have lied and never vigged anyone and just did the mafia factional kill of which his claim being a 1-shot Vig or JOAT, B have been a Serial Killer claiming NK Immune Miller Vig, or C have been a mafia JOAT and just took an easy to brush off pot shoot at a townie who pushed a mislynch all of day 1.

There is really just no way to tell Creature's alignment from the claim alone because all of those make as much sense as a town JOAT or 1-shot Vig.

Light also was hard, like hard, trying to kill Creature day 1. If creature was a mafia JOAT that would be so incredibly risky from for a Goon to do.

Of course Creature himself was the person to suggest that Light was bussing someone and claimed it to be Verdith and not him, but I still don't think Light would have been bussing Creature if he was a JOAT.
Scenario A however may make some sense from a mafia bus standpoint, but dunno. Not really anything strong to go off on Light's reads that points to Creature being scum.

The knowing Skelda's replacement is also pretty iffy to call a scumslip as his alibi fits perfect and doesn't really have a flaw and is only suspicious because there is a mafia daychat.
It just seams a bit stretchy to me. Not really solid of an accusation.

Of course there is 0 way to differentiate between a vig and SK other than Cop. At that point it is just a pure paranoia accusation of a player and would just come down to night action analysis which would be late game and shouldn't be worried about at this point in the game.

That's the most common scum tactic ever though. You bus your partner on day one and either get them lynched and earn town cred or get in a big fight with them to distance the two of you before you eventually change your mind and decide not to get them lynched. I also don't know why you're considering the possibility of a mafia joat. If creature is Mafia then he almost definitely lied about being a joat.

[BlackStar]

What did you claim?

[BlackStar]

Hopefully none of you are planning to lynch inside {BlackStar, Io, Naomi-Tan, RachMarie, me}

We're lynching you right after we lynch your partner

[BlackStar]

Don't ignore this

What did you claim?

[BlackStar]

its true I been calling it JOAT as its what makes sense on the setup as creature is town

How can you be so sure that he's town?

[BlackStar]

I only claimed I vigged massive, I don't need to fullclaim yet.

It doesn't make sense for there to be 2 vigs though

[BlackStar]

VOTE: creature
I think we should flip him first

[BlackStar]

Honestly, I've been overthinking so much that I don't even know what I believe anymore.

[BlackStar]

I feel like this is Open 649 2.0

What happened in this game

[BlackStar]

no expedience is scum stop ! being ! bad !

I'm not saying expedience isn't scum. I'm just more confident that creature is scum than I am that Expedience is. But whatever

VOTE: expedience

[BlackStar]

We gave like 5 million reasons

[BlackStar]

stop just hammer expedience and be happy

expedience (6): Blitzkrieg, , Transcend, Killthestory, RachMarie, BlackStar, Creature

someone else could take it over if you like.

Creature didn't vote expedience

[BlackStar]

Just leave VCs to the mod

[BlackStar]

No hammer happened. Omg can you stop already?

[BlackStar]

He said Exp. why are you so jumpy, transcend?

[BlackStar]

3 votes in total isn't "running you up".

[BlackStar]

I want to lynch Creature and he's claimed. I'm lynching expedience and they've claimed. What are you talking about?

[BlackStar]

Hi Expedience

Hey Rach, Expedience is the new Skelda

Guess no one noticed it

Vote Count 2.6

Vedith (3): Killthestory, Creature, RachMarie
RachMarie (2): Blitzkrieg, BlackStar
Naomi-Tan (2): Vedith, Io
Killthestory (1) Naomi-Tan
Blitzkrieg (1): Transcend

Not Voting (1): Expedience

With 10 votes it takes 6 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-23 14:30:00)

Expedience replaces Skelda

[BlackStar]

I didn't mention it before because I thought it was just paranoia, but throughout this game creature has made me uneasy. Half of his posts seem pretty townie and then the other half feel kind of opportunistic and scummy. And a lot of the time it feels like he's white knighting me and just sheeping stuff that I say.

[BlackStar]

I want to lynch Creature and he's claimed. I'm lynching expedience and they've claimed. What are you talking about?

I don't remember Exp ever claiming.

He claimed VT

[BlackStar]

Not giving him botd?

No

[BlackStar]

Oh nvm, I had expedience confused with someone else

[BlackStar]

Maybe i need to re iso him but I'm not lynching a claimed vig today.

We're lynching expedience today. Creature is tomorrow's lynch

[BlackStar]

That's a scum claim. Townies would eat burritos, not tacos.

[BlackStar]

Didn't see a claim from Expedience.

I already said that I confused them with someone else

[BlackStar]

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[BlackStar]

[BlackStar]

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What does that mean?

[BlackStar]

It was a joke

[BlackStar]

If you thought it was a mislynch then it didn't make any sense to hammer

[BlackStar]

If you were sure expedience was town then you could've kept fighting to change our minds about them. We flip flopped like 30 times on day 2 and it could've happened again.

[BlackStar]

You haven't asked about your townread on skelda/expedience since post 1684. I get what you're trying to say, but it still seems weird to me that you'd vote someone you townread. Personally, I'd never stop fighting to make my scumread go through

[BlackStar]

*talked about

[BlackStar]

Creature is DW?

[BlackStar]

Now that I think about it, it's weird how Io hasn't really had any pressure on her throughout the game

[BlackStar]

That's not true, she did get wagoned d1 for a bit

By me. And that only lasted for like a couple of hours. It's not like how everyone else has been under pressure more than once and for longer periods of time

[BlackStar]

If you ignore my ideas for the rest of the game then we'll probably have a good chance of winning

[BlackStar]

can we get a VC

[BlackStar]

VOTE: titus

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

Vedith wasn't a part of either of the mislynches

[BlackStar]

So what do you think that means?

[BlackStar]

Vedith, can you post a reads list?

[BlackStar]

I mean his other reads

[BlackStar]

Who does he think is definitely town and who is he unsure of?

[BlackStar]

That's why I asked for a reads list

[BlackStar]

Didn't expect to come back to a hammer :/ Oh well lol

[BlackStar]

The hammer already dropped

[BlackStar]

It's obvious at this point that Transcend is the last member of the scum team

VOTE: transcend

[BlackStar]

Sure for Brit's it is, but American English drops the u after o's.
But the h is silent in "ho" words like hour and honor. At least in southern dialect it is.

Its silent in every american dialect

[BlackStar]

Wait, why was Naomi posting? O.o

[BlackStar]

So here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to weigh up each player individually on VCA and reads and see if I can't solve the game now.
Though I'm getting tired I'll be doing Creature and Trans today.

positives = Reasons they are scum.
negatives = Reasons they are not scum.

Spoiler: Creature

Positives -

Guessing that Trans would claim Mafia Ninja killed Naomi.
Immediately voting Trans before hearing their results. Could have been a slip as they knew the results if scum.
Lack of mafia night 1 kill if his claim is to believed.

Negatives -

Light. Light had practically spearheaded a Creature lynch day 1 and refused to get off of the wagon until shot. This and Light had hard scum read Verdith and Creature and a mafia having a hard scum read on both of their members and having them as their only scum reads day 1 is really not believable.
The claim is rather absurd from a Mafia Ninja. If anything a Goon would have claimed that not the Ninja.

Personal decision:

Creature cannot be scum. Light's associations practically clear him

Spoiler: Trans

Positives -

That night result. Yeah pretty suspicious to say the least.
2 investigatives and one already dead.

Negatives -

My person experience with Trans leads me to see that this is not his normal scum play.
Verdith was more willing to lynch Trans on day 2 over Exp which was the town's main wagon leads me to not see that as a viable bus option on his part.

Personal decision:

I don't think he is scum. I would rather not lynch him today even for the information.

VOTE: Titus
I'm going to bed now.
Though I will say from the VCA though I had only time to post 2 of them so far I believe he is scum based on the voting patterns of pistachi0n. This may change by further in depth look of him, but I believe him to be the Mafia Ninja.

There's a flaw in your argument for why transcend isn't scum. You said Vedith was pushing him hard on day 2 so they can't be partners. But Transcend was town read by most people at that point. Vedith knew that the wagon wasn't going to gain any traction. And even if it did that would just earn him town cred for getting a scum lynched. So that's not a compelling argument for transcend being town. It just looks like distancing. And their distancing was even more apparent on day 3. Transcend is just using reverse psychology on you right now and for some reason you're buying into it.

[BlackStar]

You're telling us to lynch you which is making people not want to lynch you. That's reverse psychology. They think "there's no way scum would say that", so you're getting off scot free

[BlackStar]

Alright, let's do this

VOTE: titus

If Titus doesn't flip scum then we'll lynch you tomorrow

[BlackStar]

If it's not Titus, it can only be transcend or creature

[BlackStar]

Why is 1 a better option than 2?

[BlackStar]

If we all unanimously agree to a no lynch, is there any way to fast forward to the night phase?

[BlackStar]

I voted for nightskip last night, I don't know why you guys didn't.

I don't think I even got a pm about the night phase starting

[BlackStar]

Oh, ignore that last post.

[BlackStar]

I do not think we should nl but I'm not opposed to it.

Why do you think that we shouldn't do it?

[BlackStar]

Let's go with 1

[BlackStar]

VOTE: nolynch

[BlackStar]

So it'll be night when Rach agrees to a no lynch?

[BlackStar]

Look at the time stamp of post 2453. Transcend was here

[BlackStar]

I think we should all post our reads now. If we no lynch again, the scum will probably just not kill anyone again. So we might as well just lynch somebody now

[BlackStar]

She didn't say that she got a pm. Reread the posts

[BlackStar]

So are we posting our reads now?

[BlackStar]

I'll go last.

[BlackStar]

From the beginning of yesterday, I came to the conclusion that it was probably creature or rachmarie. I wanted the no lynch so that one of them would get nked, and the final 3 would be me, transcend and the final scum. I doubted that transcend would bring me to the end if he was scum because I kept saying that I wanted to lynch him so whoever else was still alive would be the last scum. Sucks that things didn't work out. Anyway, I'm not sure yet who I want to vote. I have to reread Creature & rach's isos and then look at light and Vedith's again.

[BlackStar]

Oh right, I didn't immediatelly vote Vedith because I was expecting him to be dayvigged.

You sound like you're just making things up

[BlackStar]

From the beginning of yesterday, I came to the conclusion that it was probably creature or rachmarie. I wanted the no lynch so that one of them would get nked, and the final 3 would be me, transcend and the final scum. I doubted that transcend would bring me to the end if he was scum because I kept saying that I wanted to lynch him so whoever else was still alive would be the last scum. Sucks that things didn't work out. Anyway, I'm not sure yet who I want to vote. I have to reread Creature & rach's isos and then look at light and Vedith's again.

When you can please read my spoiler walls. I think they're pretty convincing, as well as our recent exchanges. Lemme know what you think.

Alright

[BlackStar]

Do you think Vedith's behavior this game was influenced by something?

It was influenced by the fact that I was here. He knew that I knew how he played in our scum game that recently finished, so he played the exact opposite here to make me doubt my scum read on him

[BlackStar]

@creature Why has the tone of your posts been different today?

[BlackStar]

I think it's Rach

[BlackStar]

VOTE: rachmarie

[BlackStar]

I think it's Rach

Explanation?

I haven't got around to reading her.

It's just a feeling. I mean, she hasn't really done anything at all throughout the entire game, jord was really sus and seraphim didn't really try to figure the game out either. Plus she disappeared until creature mentioned her and then immediately showed up. And I don't like that she's suggesting another no lynch. A no lynch only benefits scum at this point

[BlackStar]

I think it's Rach

Explanation?

I haven't got around to reading her.

It's just a feeling. I mean, she hasn't really done anything at all throughout the entire game, jord was really sus and seraphim didn't really try to figure the game out either. Plus she disappeared until creature mentioned her and then immediately showed up. And I don't like that she's suggesting another no lynch. A no lynch only benefits scum at this point

Did you read my points on creature? What do you think of them?

No, sorry. Yesterday was my birthday so I was celebrating and then today I marathoned all the episodes of Luke Cage

[BlackStar]

being unsure of which one is scum most definitely does not make me scum Black

It's easy to fake that. And you don't really feel unsure. When did I even say that you were unsure so you're scum?

[BlackStar]

I don't think scum!Rach would push a NL though.

We've all revealed our reads. Plus I mentioned the gambit I had in mind when I agreed to the no lynch yesterday. If we do it again today then scum can finally kill me off and push the last 2 townies to try and lynch each other

[BlackStar]

I don't want to pick the wrong one and cost us the bloody game Black, I hate MYLO/LYLO

We'd still be in that same situation after a no lynch. We might as well gamble and lynch someone today

[BlackStar]

I really think it's Rach

[BlackStar]

How certain on a scale of 1-10?

6.5

[BlackStar]

whats's G2H C?

[BlackStar]

Oh, gun to head. You say that a lot lol

[BlackStar]

gun to head creature.

have you read my quote walls yet?

Yeah. Its a good case against Creature. But I'm still nervous about Rach. Have you read her iso?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Transcend

Why'd you vote him? And why did it take you so long to put a vote down?

[BlackStar]

Say Rach is voting me, I am voting Trans and Trans is voting Rach.

If Black votes me, Trans has the chance to hammer me.
If Black votes Trans, Rach has the chance to hammer Trans.
If Black votes Rach, I have the chance to hammer Rach.

Not hammering is a townfirm.

This is basically a scum claim. Town would never suggest this. How many votes are on creature right now?

[BlackStar]

Why not? Am I begging for BlackStar to give me the hammer?

Its a ridiculously reckless move for the town, so I can only see this coming from scum

[BlackStar]

Trans, you've been scumreading creature for ages so why haven't you voted him again?

[BlackStar]

Even Trans called me an inconsistent mess because this is how I play town.

I don't know your meta so that doesn't tell me anything. Give me some reasons why I shouldn't hammer you. And explain why you thought that chain of voting thing was a good idea

[BlackStar]

Even Trans called me an inconsistent mess because this is how I play town.

I don't know your meta so that doesn't tell me anything.

Give me some reasons why I shouldn't hammer you.

And explain why you thought that chain of voting thing was a good idea

[BlackStar]

my vote is still on rach

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

I wasn't trying to get the hammer, I even said I recommend Rach, not voting Rach.

He's telling the truth here

[BlackStar]

Like it reads have Transcend vote Rach, so you can vote Rach so I can change my vote from Trans to Rach.

No it doesn't

[BlackStar]

I'd recommend testing Rach.

This was the post that looks like he was trying to hammer grab btw.

He was saying that we should give rach the chance to hammer and if she didn't then she was town

pedit: ok

[BlackStar]

how would that be a test?

[BlackStar]

The problem I have with his logic is that if rach actually was scum then she would've automatically gotten the win from that. Why would town propose an idea that could backfire that easily? I really want to vote him, but if its wrong I'm gonna be pissed

[BlackStar]

Well BlackStar I can guarantee I'm town. I think you know it at this point.

I think if Rach flips scum she did a good job at keeping the slot stable

but the mad kudos should go to Seraphim and his 17 posts.

She's done pretty much nothing and just left everyone else to argue

[BlackStar]

How clear should I make my play?

I don't know what you're talking about

[BlackStar]

I did not vanish jeeze people I am multitasking here

You keep doing this beetlejuice stuff and I can't remember you contributing anything throughout the game

[BlackStar]

Yep, mafiascum isn't accurate for explained reads, gut is the essential play.

Pardon me for just a second but I think you have "mafiascum" confused with "Town of Salem" in that post. MS players are seasoned and analyze anything and everything to the bone.

TOS players all bandwagon the first person to be voted lol

.

That happens here too. And near the end of a day everyone just hops on whichever wagon has the most votes

[BlackStar]

I can't link games in my phone, but you can check my wiki.

According to your wiki, you've won most of your scum games. Doesn't that mean that you're pretty decent as scum?

[BlackStar]

BlackStar since I think you've played with Rach more than me:

Is she good at feigning ignorance?

I don't think I've seen her do it before

[BlackStar]

Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

VOTE: Creature

Did this thread breed while I was asleep or something

ATM readslist:

Town - KTS, Naomi, Transcend, Xyzzy,

maybe

Io, Pistachi0n
Scum - Creature, vedith
Dunno - jordarrian, blackstar

Some creature analysis:

The first point is when he accuses Naomi of white knighting (which sufficiently confused me into think she had done so ). Reading back whilst there was little point in Naomi bringing up the point (50) for which she was accused of it I don't understand why creature felt the need to call her out on it other than that at the time she looked a little suspicious (at least to me) and he could've been laying groundwork for a scum read of Naomi (considering as scum he would have already known her to be innocent)

141 was basically an early pressure vote, see how creature reacts.

143 - Creature reacts with... wifom? At least that's what that argument looks like to me

150, 153 - This reads like 'I can't be scum I was awkward' which feels weird because at least to me the start of games are a bit awkward as both alignments. Scum want to look less awkward but so do town. Not sure if this counts as IIoA

181 why include yourself in your own readslist? Not scummy but definitely odd

210 why quicklynch people who are MIA before they get the chance to post? Denies town of information that they would get from, you know, not quicklynching? Feels like scum 'I know they're town and will be easy lynchees'

Why would Light be so eager to bus both Vedith and Creature on day 1?

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Looking through Vedith's iso, the way that he talks to Rach kind of makes it sound like he knows that she's town.

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Nothing like my scum game.

This is such a bad defense and there's no way it would ever convince anyone to believe you. But I've said that same thing lots of times as town so I feel conflicted

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VOTE: creature

I don't know if this is right, but I'm tired of agonizing over it

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If you're twilight trolling I'm gonna be really upset Rachy

You sound more like you're trolling tbh

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Dammit

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Sorry guys

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I was kind of suspicous when you were acting so suspicious of creature yet didn't vote for Him until I asked you about it. I should've grilled you about that more. Actually I should've lynched you right after we lynched Vedith and it looked like you two were distancing

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Your sig is pretty accurate, Trans lol

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Looks like I need a lot more practice with getting accurate reads. I guess I'll start using my alts more

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this is my last game im p sure.

Sorry :/