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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:51 am

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I still think that OTM is the scummiest, so I still think that he's the best lynch for today. In addition, it will put the Sarc. v. OTM debate to rest, which will be beneficial in the extremely unlikely case that they are both town. I don't see MBF's case really well, and ultimately, I agree with Sarc at this point (although the latter is much scummier in my opinion). Tyhess is still on my radar for acting really strangely and then randomly stopping, I'll take another look at that soon. Just so everyone knows where my vote lies:

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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:48 pm

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Off the Mark wrote:
mbf wrote:While congratulating a pro-town role on a successful night action is a scum tell
Really? Never heard that one before. Is that in the wiki? I refuse to read the wiki, as I believe its existence hurts the game. The last thing mafia needs is a reference list of universal scumtells. It changes the game too much - especially for newbs. I haven't read it and I don't plan to.
How exactly does willful ignorance help anything? Well, I suppose it helps you get caught by me. But I'm not sure why you'd want that.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:07 pm

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End of Day Vote Count:

Off the Mark 4 (Sarcastro, aioqwe, Porochaz, Aegor)
Sarcastro 3 (tyhess, Off the Mark, mikeburnfire)


Off the Mark -- Militant -- Lynched Day Two


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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:42 pm

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Day dawns.

Porochaz, Militant, Killed by Infidels Night Three



...with five alive, it takes three to lynch. Day will end on or before Sunday, February 3, at 11:45 PM EST.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:57 pm

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Well, Sarcastro, now that the crusade that you have led for THE ENTIRE GAME has been proven wrong, who do you want to pursue next? Afterall, you've definitely shown that you could go for literally ANYBODY's lynch, even though you were COMPLETELY sure OTM was scum.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:36 pm

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Vote: Tyhess


I'm honestly expecting to lose at this point, since I doubt I'm going to be nightkilled before I'm lynched. Tyhess is my best bet at this point, though. I could honestly see any of you being scum, sadly. I wish the suicide bomber had shot last night, but I guess I can't blame him for not doing so.

If we lynch today, there is a 33% chance that the infidel will hit the bomber. If that's the case, then the bomber has a 67% chance of ending the game by killing a militant and only a 33% chance of winning the game by killing an infidel. There's a 66% chance that the infidel will kill a militant. If that's the case, then there is a 33% chance that the bomber will kill the infidel, a 66% chance that the bomber will hit a militant and lose the game for the town.

Anyway, I'm too lazy to figure out what that means, so I'll be back later to figure it all out. In any case, I support lyncing Tyhess. Or possibly No Lynch. We'll see.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:09 pm

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Those numbers mean nothing to me. If this isn't the correct lynch, then all I have to do is not get bombed tonight. Being endgame'd by the mafia isn't the most glorious win, but it's still a win.

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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:00 pm

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MBF, stop being obvscum.

Anyway, it turns out No Lynch isn't an option, so whatever. Let's lynch Tyhess.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:54 am

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You know what? I don't think I want to, seeing as how he was the only other person to NOT kill the innocent.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:43 am

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Mod Note: I have had most of the remaining players ask me questions about endgame and win conditions so far, so I'm going to make a clarification announcement to clear some things up.

If the game state is such that only an Infidel and one protown player (whether Militant or Suicide Bomber) are alive, the game ends immeidately and the Infidels win. Endgame is instantaneous in this situation given the nature of win conditions in this game.

Secondly, being endgamed does not equate to a victory for Militants. Getting endgamed is not the same as getting nightkilled.

Thirdly: If the Suicide Bomber bombs the Infidel and the Infidel nightkills the Suicide Bomber on the same night, the SuiBomber will win. As stated in the rules, both actions would resolve at the same time, meaning the Infidel would get bombed. This satisfies the "Bomb an Infidel" win conditino for the SB, so the SB would be victorious.



I hope that clears up all outstanding questions.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:12 am

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mikeburnfire wrote:Those numbers mean nothing to me.
If this isn't the correct lynch
, then all I have to do is not get bombed tonight. Being endgame'd by the mafia isn't the most glorious win, but it's still a win.

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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:35 am

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Is that a confession?
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:53 am

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Okay, wow. MBF, do you still want a vote on Sarc even though being endgamed is a loss for Militants?

Sarc, please don't repeat what happened before. OTM was scummy and you at least stated reasons why, but here you are just accusing with little reason. It's getting to the point where I'm wondering whether or not you are rushing to the endgame.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:43 pm

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Aegor wrote:Okay, wow. MBF, do you still want a vote on Sarc even though being endgamed is a loss for Militants?
Yes. I believe he is the last infidel.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:38 pm

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Look, Tyhess has been consistently avoiding actually doing or committing to anything. That's scummy enough for me at this point.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:06 am

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SB will shoot tonight in his best interest.

If you don't then there is a 33% chance you will nk and loose
In the 67% chance you survive there is a 33% chance that you will hit scum tomorrow. This gives you a 22% chance of winning the game and an 88% chance to loose

If you hit tonight then you have a 33% chance of hitting mafia and a 67% chance of mis hitting and loosing.

Because the SB is going to hit tonight then we need to make sure that we hit the infidel today or tonight...

I think it's mass-claim time, if so I propose sarc claim first... (and pop-corn, he passes it to who he wants to claim next etc. we can collectively choose who goes first)
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:09 am

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I agree with everything aioqwe says, including the part about sarcastro going first.....
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:37 pm

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Massclaiming makes no sense, because the scum would be absolutely retarded to fakeclaim. If there are two bomber claims, we can just get them to shoot each other tonight. In case it's not obvious, I'm a militant.

Again, I'm really not liking how Tyhess just piggy-backed on Aioqwe's idea without, apparently, even thinking about it. Seriously, is nobody else noticing this? I'm going to have to do a PBPA or something.
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:18 pm

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*sigh*

Okay, if you really think you can convince me that there is reasonable evidence that Tyhess is scum, I'll wait. But I warn you that you're going to have a difficult time changing my mind. I'd really just like to lynch you instead of postponing the inevitable.
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:45 pm

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Oh, this is fun. Look what I found:
tyhess wrote:That's dumb in my opinion....If you wanted to do something like that (which I don't), then I would have the bomber come out and say who he is (if there's a counter claim we auto win so theirs no risk in that), then we kill somebody, and he kills somebody that we all agree on. IMO that make more sense than a no lynch.
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Going over your old posts I cannot believe I only had you second to OtM.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:31 am

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well the main point is to get the SB out there and come to some consensus on who we want to lynch/bomb. If we get a double SB claim then we can have fun lynching out of the SB pool! I wish our scum would do that.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:13 am

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Sarcastro wrote:Oh, this is fun. Look what I found:
tyhess wrote:That's dumb in my opinion....If you wanted to do something like that (which I don't), then I would have the bomber come out and say who he is (if there's a counter claim we auto win so theirs no risk in that), then we kill somebody, and he kills somebody that we all agree on. IMO that make more sense than a no lynch.
Care to explain, Tyhess, how you managed to
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Going over your old posts I cannot believe I only had you second to OtM.
This is it? A early post Day 1 back in November is your solid evidence of Tyhess being scum? This... is so dumb. Your 'consistently avoiding commiting to anything' fits Aqiwi more than Tyhess in my eyes. And just because somebody shows reservations about lynching somebody doesn't necessarily make them scum. At least they don't focus on one person at random and then charge kamikaze-style at them until they die!

Aioqwe, stop trying to get the SB to claim. We're not going to get a "double SB claim". The infidel would have to be a moron for that to work, and the last thing we need is for him to know who the SB is.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:13 am

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Yeah, massclaiming is actually anti-town. If the SB claims, then NO ONE will counterclaim unless they DESERVE to lose. We don't gain anything, but we give the remaining mafioso the identity of one person they shouldn't target.

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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:38 am

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Sarcastro wrote:Oh, this is fun. Look what I found:
tyhess wrote:That's dumb in my opinion....If you wanted to do something like that (which I don't), then I would have the bomber come out and say who he is (if there's a counter claim we auto win so theirs no risk in that), then we kill somebody, and he kills somebody that we all agree on. IMO that make more sense than a no lynch.
Care to explain, Tyhess, how you managed to
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Going over your old posts I cannot believe I only had you second to OtM.

different situations idiot
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:10 pm

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Tyhess, Aegor, Aioqwe, do you think it was suspicious that Sarcastro kept pushing for OTM's lynch, and now he's going after tyhess in exactly the same way?

I ask because none of you seem to be giving your thoughts on who is scum, and until you do this game is going to idle.
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