Only me and Dunn I believe are on her since HS unvoted and then voted me-scout.In post 4339, Kagami wrote:What is parama at?
Well yes, the problem is we ~need~ a scumlynch today. I am really not in the mood to enter lylo with no scumlynch. People need to stop trying to pair up buddies via relationship and association, and need to scumhunt specific people.In post 4344, Kagami wrote:Well, I'm going to re-evaluate after each successful scumlynch, but I'm open to leaving as soon as we can agree to a high confidence T-T pair.
Well too many people are wanting a Jester lynch, or are in favor of it, and there seems to be little evidence indicating he is scum or town. He's just... there. So even IF he is scum, he is not the optimal lynch today. Because his lynch is a coin flip. There is 2 other scum out there. It's basically something Pie said earlier of "Parama and Jester could be scum together". Yes, but one of them is actively being scummy, the other is just null. We can't go for the null hoping that he flips scum so then we can lynch Parama based on association. It's something I learned when I was first learning chess, it's to not play "hope chess". Making a move that you know is bad or that can backfire hoping that the opponent won't see it or that it ends up correctly. Same thing with mafia, we can't play "hope mafia", hoping that just because Jester hasn't been here he's scum (and I have seen no compelling argument for why he is actually scum). First we need to catch scum, THEN we need to scum-hunt based on the flip. But catching scummy people should be number 1 priority.In post 4357, Kagami wrote:We are, we're trying to figure out the optimal lynch on the basis of likely configurations, which are relatively few.
In post 4477, Human Sequencer wrote:i also suppose i'd let sad/scout fly because that just gets us closer to the same endgame and i really don't mind that pair gone in general
Please don't post like this.In post 4460, mhsmith0 wrote:My Vedith-bashing was extremely appropriate and has (I think) been quite useful in getting people not to continue the disgusting trend of suiciding that he started (and that massively submarined town's chances in the LAST iteration of this format, fwiw). Leaving the dance is exceptionally selfish and anti-town behavior unless you are UTTERLY certain that your partner is scum (and lo and behold, both vedith and shadow were wrong, and in vedith's case especially he deprived Gamma of the chance to convince the board that he was actually town, and the rest of the board the chance to actually evaluate a potential mislynch, including how people behaved in crunch time as majority actually got close).
In post 1573, BBmolla wrote:Do you think you have to wholeheartedly and completely disagree with everything your scumread says?
Surprise the 2 people most pushing Parama are getting scumread by here.In post 4559, Parama wrote:4390 thru 4392 is actually really gross though.
what's the rush, dunn, honey?
What delusion are you fucking living in. Seriously I'll take whatever you're having.In post 4557, Parama wrote:"maybe i won't be able to push the mislynch of the most threatening player to scum after all!" ~sad
maybe it's just people are thinking things through and removing the rose colored glasses to realize, oh hey, parama's freakin' right about sad and we shouldn't be ignoring them
i kind of feel like scum thought they had a free ride to endgame by pushing me & jester and now it's being met with resistance by the town and everything's falling apart.
Is he waiting for an epiphany or doing a week long ritual to figure scum out or?In post 4572, MiniDeathStar wrote:and just wanted to solve the game.
Oh noIn post 4586, pieguyn wrote:I'm pretty sure me and Kagami are thinking the same way in that clearing her pair out today might be more optimal than clearing your pair, but I'm not 100% if she's in agreement or not so I'm actually waiting for her to tell me what she wants to do before proceeding.
LOL these reads are fucking pathetic.
How is that not lylo. It's the same thing.In post 4592, pieguyn wrote:if she/Dunn were to leave, we would force you two into endgame regardless of whatever lynch seems likely based on majority.In post 4589, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Oh noIn post 4586, pieguyn wrote:I'm pretty sure me and Kagami are thinking the same way in that clearing her pair out today might be more optimal than clearing your pair, but I'm not 100% if she's in agreement or not so I'm actually waiting for her to tell me what she wants to do before proceeding.
no no no no no
I am not risking entering lylo with Parama there is no way that is happening she will fucking use you people to lynch me.
That is so reassuring......In post 4600, pieguyn wrote:if it comes down to choosing whether to follow my orders or following Parama, HS will follow my orders, I'm pretty sure.In post 4599, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:My pair with fucking Parama's pair is at end-game is still lylo, and there is a reasonable chance she convinces HS to lynch me, and then it basically comes down to inspector. I don't want to be in a universe where I get mislynched at lylo and lose the game for everyone because that's literally miserable.
/stares softly at HS
>"Amazing"In post 4614, MiniDeathStar wrote:Sorry pie. Don't worry too much about screwing it all up, it's just a game and tbh scum have played amazing so far so I don't have high expectations for town to begin with.
I'm okay with this. I doubt Dunn/Kagami pair is scum at this point.In post 4734, Kagami wrote:I'm kind of being lazy here because I have work to do, but my inclination is to go with my original plan, with my death first and let sad-scout take charge if dunn flips town, piesmith take charge if dunn flips scum.
You realize you're setting up town to lose if Parama flips town I hope you know that right.In post 4740, Human Sequencer wrote:No, because we're in lylo and smith is a town lynch.
In a reality where they're happy sitting back and waiting for one of us to get lynched...In post 4743, MiniDeathStar wrote:In what reality exactly are you town with Parama and so far scum haven't taken advantage of your fight to push a lynch on one of you?
Are you saying if Parama is town or?In post 4749, Kagami wrote:I'm requesting on no uncertain terms that if I leave (before any one else flips) and dunn flips town, the rest of the town follows SAD-scout, and that in the case where Dunn flips scum, town follows piesmith.
If people disagree with this, then they need to raise objections in the form of plausible configurations of scum that have Kagami-Dunn as T-T and sad-scout containing a scummo, or a configuration of scum with dunn as scum and piesmith containing a scummo.
Well mostly by POE.
You really think it's beyond mhsmith's caliber to tell his scummates to start having suspicion on him to distance early and then set up a fake back and forth so when one of them flips town the other gets a free ride?In post 4760, Kagami wrote:If we assume dunn is scum, then he started out with a townread on smith that turned around at about 1600ish in the main thread for kind of silly reasons, and he maintained a position of heavy suspicion on smith from there out.
"I'm fine with any path that doesn't allow SAD to live to endgame because that means I will lose"In post 4761, Parama wrote:mulling it over.
I'm fine with the "if dunn is scum" path.
but your proposed "if dunn is town" path is a beeline to a town loss because no way is there no scum in sad/scout
Fwiw I will say that inspector's mhsmith scumread could look like early distancing because he's pushing it at a time when it wasn't likely to happen so he can play I told you card after. It's also what he was kinda setting up for in our PT.In post 4767, Kagami wrote:Smith spent a lot of today positioning himself for kagami-scum/kagami-discrediting, but did so in an interaction that would make scout town as well.
That's not the one that is at the forefront of my mind.In post 4777, mhsmith0 wrote:I'd certainly be capable of coming up with the idea, but what makes you think I'm capable of executing it effectively? That sort of massive distancing operation is something I've never pulled off as scum,In post 4758, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:My biggest paranoia btw is Pie/mhsmith both scum, prob with Dunn. Someone mentioned this earlier but I seriously started having doubts about their back and forth. It's not unlikely for mhsmith to come up with a plan to have arguments with both his scumbuddies at a time when they weren't being scrutinized for massive distancing.
How likely that scenario is I'm not sure.and there'd also be substantial risk that the me/pie wagon takes off, at a point in time when (presuming me/Dunn/pie) all of towns attention is on town wagons. That seems kind of a crazy risk to take in a theoretical game state where it was roetty clearly unnecessary, so other than "I guess it's possible" what actually makes you think it's realistically likely? I get that you said you're not sure, but if you're trying to explore a potential town!parama world, I don't really get why you think that outcome would be the one that comes to mind.
Btw how mhsmith continues to repeat this point is extremely EXTREMELLLLY concerning me.In post 4780, mhsmith0 wrote:Pps Any townie who thinks suiciding is pro-town at this point needs to get their head examined. Threats to leave SHOULD be reserved for scum trying to wifom their way into town credit.
You mean when Pie put Parama at L-1?In post 4779, mhsmith0 wrote:Ps in a world in which HS-parama is town-town, why in the world does scum!me not just hammer when I had the chance? Like, obviously it would look bad, but keeping her alive with the chance to town tell or game solve seems super risky, compared to pushing along a LYLO state where town would need to hit 3/3 lynches to win. Obviously this ignores a me/pie team, but even ignoring me knowing it's false that strikes me as a transparently ridiculous notion. I guess I could theoretically be scum with a scum-scum pair, but even there it seems like scum!me should always hammer in that spot instead of questioning pie in PT on why she made the l-1 vote.
Yes because I already said I need Parama to flip because I need to know if the scumteam contains her or not. If we flip someone else and they turn to be town and Parama is the scum she will literally push me at lylo and possibly cause inspector to leave dance or for you to lynch me. I'm sorry but I do not trust that I will not be lynched by you guys in a possible lylo with Parama-scum.In post 4785, mhsmith0 wrote:And it's concerning to me that you seem to be preparing for a world in which parama flips town, while simultaneously being very comfortable on her wagon.
Okay so by this logic you literally should be voting Parama but instead are voting me good to know you want to mislynch me too.In post 4893, MiniDeathStar wrote:You're taking it out of context. It was a hypothetical where Dunn and Kagami are both town and you're scum *instead* of Arthur. Like, as much as I think Jester is town, you flipping scum and Kagami flipping town means either a Parama/Arthur crossbus, inspector/Arthur scum/scum, or Smith/Jester scumteam. Which of the 3 do you think is more likely?
Well well wellIn post 4914, MiniDeathStar wrote:If Parama flips town, we are powerlynching your pair. I thought everyone made this crystal clear.
???????In post 5044, Dunnstral wrote:WE've got 3 days left from here: parama group isn't going to hit a lynch.
I still haven't reread much.In post 4902, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Okay so by this logic you literally should be voting Parama but instead are voting me good to know you want to mislynch me too.In post 4893, MiniDeathStar wrote:You're taking it out of context. It was a hypothetical where Dunn and Kagami are both town and you're scum *instead* of Arthur. Like, as much as I think Jester is town, you flipping scum and Kagami flipping town means either a Parama/Arthur crossbus, inspector/Arthur scum/scum, or Smith/Jester scumteam. Which of the 3 do you think is more likely?
Uhh I don't see it at all you're gonna have to explain it much much better for the class because I actually really don't like his posting on the last few pages.In post 5125, Kagami wrote:There's almost no chance Dunn is scum. Will go over it when I'm not mobile, but the tl;dr is HS-interactions and his indignant reaction to being ignored today is beyond what I suspect his scum self is capable.
Your plan involves lynching me regardless of Parama flip?In post 5135, Dunnstral wrote:Now that I'm no longer under imminent danger of suicide, let's follow my plan