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Post Post #1148 (isolation #200) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:42 pm

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what does it matter marangal

i obviously meant the chaos in the latter half of the day when i made that list, thus including people like bujaber

and IB is not my top scumread so
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #201) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:19 pm

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mastina wtf happened to "MY SCUMREADS ARE ALL COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT, IF IM WRONG ON ONE I SHIFT TO THE NEXT"
so much for you independently scumreading me

@Beefster: no, i'm protecting you, no way do i protect mastina here

@Marangal: dude she claimed the gunsmith guilty on me during D1

Edit: holy shit yeah i'm ignoring mastina today
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #202) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:16 pm

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I ask myself: Am I so policy bloodlusted that I'm willing to policy lynch someone I'm townreading by mechanics and association...

HMMMMMM...

Nah still not down with mastina lynch sorry. Ignore her posts and lynch her partners first IMO.
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Post Post #1221 (isolation #203) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:03 pm

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have you noticed that basically no one has given credence to A50 scumread for the past 2 days

it looks like A50 is going through the motions of being good-at-scumhunting-A50 tbh

but he's not actually doing much, or making waves, he's kinda just along for the ride
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #204) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:07 pm

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i think a50's defence of marangal against mastina is alignment informed, as is his push to get her lynched
In post 1095, Almost50 wrote:But I think I know what you're doing! You're rolefishing, aren't you? You pushed Dino until he claimed and then found the BG unworthy of the lynch/NK. You probably caught Icon crumbing (you did admit you knew he was a backup JOAT) so you shot him. You probably are pushing me to get a claim and evaluate whether my role is worthy of being the N2 NK. Well, guess what? I'm not going to give you a claim even of I was run to L-1.
i also believe a50 knows better than this

there are many cases as to why mastina is scum

but not_fucking_mafia has a better case than "oh yeah mastina is rolefishing by pressuring people hard enough that they claim"
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #205) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:21 pm

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Post Post #1229 (isolation #206) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:37 am

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guys for fuck's sake

if i of all people am the only one defending mastina

there's no way she's scum here

scum doesn't bus mastina, there's no towncred in it

let's wagon A50
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #207) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:41 am

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i mean does it help if i spew bullshit about ~~~the gamestate~~~ and ~~~wagonomics~~~

i just don't believe the gamestate is accommodating for acryon-scum or mastina-scum UNLESS all of the other scum are lurkers

in which case the obvious solution is to just lynch the lurkers
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Post Post #1238 (isolation #208) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:00 am

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wait i would argue that him explaining himself is super helpful to reading him

the problem is TW is lockfuckingtown to the point of almost gamebetting

so yeah don't explain shit, TW
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #209) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:06 am

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okay so our deftown is
{the worst, Mathdino}
maybe throw in {Beefster}

our "categorically not lynching them today" is
{acryon, mastina, Bujaber}
AND IN FAIRNESS TO ME one of these very well might be scum; doesn't make it beneficial to lynch here tho

that leaves
{Not_Mafia, IB, Marangal, Kthx, A50}

if all 3 scum are in here, we win by lynching them all
if 2 scum are in here, 40% chance of winning by lynching someone

the way i would probably order these are
N_M - dropped a towntell somewhere
IB - apparently too toxic to be scum lol
Kthx - meh
Marangal - has an unfortunate tendency to push scum wincon
A50 - probably scum

i want anyone who can confirm townies to confirm people in {Bujaber, Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin}
beefster and i almost certainly die at night before lylo
obviously i'm going to be guarding the worst given that (unnecessary) claim but i will take arguments for guarding Beefster-jailkeeper instead
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #210) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:20 am

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i really don't know how to explain these reads tbh
maybe effortposting later in the day will help

A50 doesn't feel like town A50, he feels like he's just looking like he's a presence in the game
when i feel like if he didn't want to be a presence in the game, he wouldn't be defending himself the way he is
plus his arguments for mastina-scum are shit
i do think that A50 is the least likely to be town in the lynchbloc, but i could deal with a marangal lynch
that said since people seem to want a marangal lynch that naturally makes me uncomfortable and causes me to want an A50 lynch :D

if you mean outside of the lynchbloc, i'd say my reads go something like
Mathdion
the worst
Bujaber
Beefster
acryon
mastina

mastina is a do-not-lynch because i believe the past 2 days have been a case of town implosion
as in scum eats popcorn while mastina, acryon, and all the townies spite-lynching them push scum wincon so scum doesn't have to
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #211) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:21 am

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also if you can agree with a basic townbloc of {the worst, Mathdino, Beefster}

and if you can also agree that there is not 2 scum in {acryon, mastina, Bujaber}
disclaimer: i have not actually analysed the possibility of these teams, but like, seems weird


then there is mathematically a higher probability of hitting scum in the remaining 5 players
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #212) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:25 am

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tbh i could just be fucking wrong about beefster
scum jailkeeper is a pretty fair role

guess i'll iso him

i mean going based on reads then i would switch beefster and bujaber's positions

and ask if any of the following teams make sense:
acryon/mastina
acryon/Beefster
mastina/Beefster

if so, then my strategy is flawed
if not, then we should still lynch in that 5p lynchpool
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #213) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:27 am

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also if you want to be strategic to the point of fucking comedy

i would be a proponent of literally lynching all 5 of them

and hoping that one of them gets NK'd or is cleared mechanically so that if there's one scum outside of that 5, then we just win the remaining 3p lylo
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #214) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:44 am

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WAIT

HOT TAKE: Marangal town heavily implies Beefster-scum (alternatively, Beefster/Marangal are opposite alignments)

Beefster: Jailkeeper
mastina: Doctor/Roleblocker
Mathdino: Bodyguard

Beefster jails Marangal, which is currently putting Marangal in trouble
do the math
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #215) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:51 am

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hey i mean if beefster is that 100% sure about marangal being town

then we can just not wagon the two of them today

and lynch him first if it comes down to it

i prefer A50 over marangal
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #216) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:28 am

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So I've been going through some posts from acryon's gladiation onward:
In post 719, BuJaber wrote:I am even more sure that at least one lurker is scum now after these claims. It explains the weird trajectory of the day. You leave town to their own devices enough and everyone becomes shady.

Icon was widely townread because he is not a danger to scum. Ie he is scum. This is how my brain is solving this little puzzle.

Also because if acryon is indeed town then he can't be completely wrong on everything.
So Bujaber goes from this to hardpushing Icon over nothing. I basically agree with his interpretation of the gamestate at this point.

Plus, at least one scum is a lurker, that's guaranteed. Bujaber suggesting this doesn't help scum.
In post 723, Momrangal wrote:Wakes up

Sees a few pages

Sees a Gladiate

Is now leaving.
#badposting
In post 724, Not_Mafia wrote:Wtf is happening
#suboptimalposting
In post 727, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Inferno

Has no one seriously noticed yet that the mod has not confirmed that we are gladiating?

Because if the mod does not confirm that, it's very possible that acyron is making stuff up to try and get a mislynch, and the mod can't say anything without revealing scum.
#posturing
In post 729, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Spoiler:
Brafin:

Inferno and I have been discussing the new developments, and we have a few thoughts we'd like to share.

First: We must approach this super carefully. Neither one of us feels like this was a very town-sided move on acron's part, since both of these players are pretty generally accepted to be town by the other players. He's basically forcing the lynch to two players that would never get lynched otherwise. There's not much town motivation there, but there is plenty of scum motivation: 1) In a TvT scenario, to avoid a scum lynch day 1. 2) in a TvS scenario, to gain massive town cred and protect acryon from further votes. He's pretty effectively derailed the acryon train and it's unlikely to start again anytime soon.

Second: This must be a very well-informed lynch. We can't just all hop on, because this is a prime time to gain a lot of info about several slots. Plus scum might play differently now they are in the clear today.

From a slot perspective, we(That is, Inferno and I)'d much rather have a MD lynch today. We read him as far more scum-aligned as Iconeum, and frankly, his blocker claim is a little weak. The only way he's going to die with a blocker role at night for a while is if he happens to block the night-kill or the scum just straight-up shoot him, which is likely; why would scum leave a blocker, a confirmed PR, to screw with an investigative role that might turn up later? They wouldn't, they're just going to straight-up kill him. The only way Math can possibly live through the night is if he's scum, regardless of whether his claim is real or not. And yet he plays like he'll see sunrise, and be around to protect future PRs.

Iconeum, however, has claimed nothing and therefore has a higher chance of living through the night, because why would scum kill a VT unless they were afraid of Lylo? They won't; they'll hunt PRs instead (i.e. Kill Math)

So possibilities are:
Math is lynched and is scum == YAY! That tells us a TON about the scumteam. Acryon is probably bussing, and Beef/Math, Mast/Math or Maf/Math is probably SvS just by interaction.
Math is lynched and is bodyguard == Not great, but it does tell us, by association, a lot about town/scum lineups. Like, I'd say at this point that if Math is town, C&S, Beef, and Acryon are all definitely on my scumread list.
Ico is lynched and is scum == Meh. If Ico is scum, we literally have nothing to build off of. Most players see him as town and have interacted with him in a townie way (except TW, but I honsetly think he's town regardless). It's good because it gets scum, but it's not super helpful to town.
Ico is lynched and is town == We are now in a bit of a pickle. If Math gets the NK, he's obviously town, if not, hes obvscum for reasons stated above. So it does tell us some about town, but it's still not great.

I will point out that this only works if math doesn't get protected tonight. SO protective roles, please do so.
HOLY HELL IS THIS POSTURING
1. "WE MUST MAKE A VERY CAREFUL DECISION GUYS"
2. "WE MUST MAKE A VERY WELL INFORMED LYNCH GUYS"
3. "I want a Mathdino lynch because he's playing like he's going to live tomorrow, but if he's actually a bodyguard, he probably will die." UWOTM8
4. Okay to be fair the assumption of the existence of VTs might be a towntell here so IB is not actually my top scumread.
5. Requesting protectives to protect me works pretty well if you already know there's a strongman. Shoot through the protection.

Reminder to look for signs of people knowing my protective wouldn't work.
In post 737, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Inferno:


Spoiler:
@Bujaber:

Wat
The actual heck

Did you even read that post all the way thorugh? Ico is being townread by about half the town. (If I am wrong about that, speak now or forever hold your peace.) If we are hunting for scum, like you say, in what world is the town going to all agree to lynch the townread?

Let me put it this way: convince this entire town that Ico is a better lynch that MD by only using scumreads. Explain why Ico is scummy enough that half of the town townreads him.

Plus, there is also general agreement that both are probably town. (except for us, but whatever) How are we supposed to lynch scum out of two prob-town reads?

The right play is to try and get the info from today and N1 to hit scum tommorow night.

I'm going to put aside my reads today as well and give this alternate scenario: Let's not lynch at all today. :D
First, if scum NKs tonight, we'll (hypothetically) be at 12, which basically funtions as a N0 kill and gives town a statistically better chance of winning (I think, can someone run numbers on that?). If they decline to take the NK for the above reasons, then've we've reset and we can use today's info to nail down scum.
Plus, we avoid lyncing what is generally considered to be two town players.

Brafin says he's all down for this too, so that's where this slot is gong to move.
VOTE: No Lynch
"there is general agreement that both are probably town" therefore no lynch
IB is going with the flow here
which is basically inconsistent with their play for the first half of D1
they don't want to NOT be supporting a no lynch
In post 741, Almost50 wrote:OK, the following isn't actually "scum hunting", but rather an attempt to understand how you think (i.e. taking a peek into your brain).

Spoiler:
So, you intended to protect Icon, and if you flipped the town should consider lynching me??
Also, if you flipped that should prove acronym is town??
I mean, a shot on ICON proves HE is town. What does that have to do with acronym? And why would you expect scum!me to be shooting Icon in particular?
obviously this does nothing
A50 does pretty much nothing for most of the rest of the day
In post 751, Kthxbye wrote:
Spoiler:
I was going to do a full read of this, but after seeing the gladiator claim and hating D1s to begin with, I'm going to focus down on the 2 lychables for today (assuming it's a real role/action).
_____________________________________________________________
In post 713, Iconeum wrote:Though this is an easy choice to lynch MD over me. There's a divided playerlist over his slot, while I'm still overall townread. Lynching MD gives a much better start of D2 in any case.
I don't see how it's the easy choice to lynch MD over you. A quick ISO has me reading him town and you scummy.

Town or Scum, I can take guesses as to why you are procrastinating on claiming, but I want to hear the reason from your mouth.
_____________________________________________________________

MD: Can I get an updated and condensed list of your town/scum reads please? Would you lynch you over Icon?
This post feels like he's trying to turn me and Icon against each other.
In post 752, Kthxbye wrote:Ah, I see I missed the confirmation of the role and action.

@MOD: If we choose to NL, will the claimed 1-shot be spent or will he be able to gladiate tomorrow (should he live through the night)? I can guess, but just to confirm and be clear.

For now though:

VOTE: NO LYNCH
Until he realises No Lynch is an option.

Also Kthx probably not scum with acryon.
In post 761, Beefster wrote:What an interesting turn of events. I had scumreads on both of you...
#badposting
In post 763, Beefster wrote:Okay... So apparently, I'm very prone to confirmation bias because I just looked over Mathdino as if he was town and he looks town- and mastina's case is actually a bit of a stretch (and is littered with nitpicking). I changed my mind again. Get over it.

Iconeum's play is questionable for sure, but I don't think it's super scummy.

VOTE: Iconeum

I'd rather keep Mathdino alive at this point. I think both the gladiate targets have a decent chance of being town and I'm not letting a coin flip choose who dies.

acryon's desire for self preservation makes me think he's scum.
i don't know what i think about this post and i would like some opinions please

In post 764, Beefster wrote:Also note that acryon's gladiate use gives us very little information on him. It could very well be a scum role in a game like this and how MD and Icon flip gives no indication of acryon's alignment due to WIFOM.
#badposting
In post 769, Momrangal wrote:I don't think I would mind a nolynch.

I don't understand worsts? Notion that both slots were largely town read. Sure both slots were unlikely to get lynched today but both slots were far from being largely townread
#waffleposting
In post 829, Beefster wrote:No lynch goes to a coin flip I think.

@mod: am I correct in this statement? Or is the no lynch coin flip only if we time out D1?
Beefster probably not scum with acryon
In post 902, Mathdino wrote:Like, realise who's been fighting all this time

And then realise who's taken a step back that hasn't really baited any suspicion

Icon and i got put in this position by being confrontational

So did acryon, who easily could've gladiators 2 town lurkers
In post 903, Mathdino wrote:Bujaberscum correct play is to no lynch to not draw Icon ire

Iconscum correct play is to not AtE self vote and honestly to just call for my lynch using his towncred/fakeclaim

Acryon scum correct play was to not give us a choice that would result in no lynch
In post 905, Mathdino wrote:Town cohesion was ripped apart the second mastina started pushing me.

Everyone else let that happen.

Suspect the people who made no effort to increase town cohesion (but also weren't the driving fucking forces in stirring up maximum chaos).
In post 911, Mathdino wrote:The funny thing is even mastina said that Icon and I were being largely townread, when she was largely solely responsible for me losing all my towncred.

To reiterate, the players that should be looked at tomorrow and are guilty of passively not helping town cohesion:
{Almost50, IB, Kthx, Momra, Paradox}

The players that you guys need to stop fighting because scum is just watching this town burn:
{acryon, Beefster, Bujaber, Iconeum, mastina}

A weird in-between:
{Not_Mafia, the worst}

N_M can live, his lack of tunneling me at his best opportunity was completely out of character for scum-him.
TW I'm townreading but on a very holistic big picture level, I'll admit his play has been concerning.
quoting myself for truth

i'm gonna go check people's posting around when mastina entered the game
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #217) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:52 am

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I suppose Beef/Marangal could be a team, but I feel like Beefster as a scum jailkeeper would just be honest about who he jailkept. Easier to keep up the facade.

I have not yet analysed the possibility of Beefster/mastina, but it would be hilarious if both protectives other than me are a scumteam.

I think I've justified the A50 push as much as I can articulate it. I've finished or modded like 5 or 6 games with town A50. He acts wildly different but I thought I started to get a sense of how he goes about things. I was able to catch him as town every time. This time really really really feels different.
Marangal is a more popular scumread and I'm a mafia hipster so I can't support that wagon.

I'm not following your setup spec but I think you're mistaken.
Beefster jailkeeps Marangal
Marangal tries to send a message to mastina, and fails
mastina does not receive message

great so everything is NAI
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #218) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:04 am

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She didn't get confirmation. She failed because of Beefster.

What are you trying to say here lol
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #219) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:16 am

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In post 1259, BuJaber wrote:
In post 1255, BuJaber wrote:Math are you scum?
Btw my policy still applies. If we both are alive at lylo you are auto lynch.

-pedit : hang on let me find the quote
Why are you threatening me here?

I've already agreed with you on this, lol.

Scum won't kill anyone in the lynchpool, and I'm exclusively protecting high value targets outside of the lynchpool. Scum will be forced to kill me sooner or later.

@acryon: Man, you quoted and responded to none of my posts, but you're just calling me weird for... the A50 read?

I don't want to just make up an explanation here. It's just... there's a way A50 fails to participate in the game as town, and there's a way he does it as scum.
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #220) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:20 am

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I mean I'm still working on that. I'm having trouble getting a read on in particular; keep flopping between scumreading and townreading it. Hence asking about it.

Assuming I'm town, what do you think of that post?
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Post Post #1269 (isolation #221) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:26 am

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@Bujaber: I sense that for sure but that's also literally Beefster's playstyle. I've seen him do that in multiple games.
There's gotta be something that differentiates his town flopping and his scum flopping. I may look into that.

@acryon: I've played with A50 more than I've played with anyone else in this game besides Not_Mafia.
And I'm completely ignoring mastina's posts. I don't really give a shit about her Marangal push. I would be okay with a Marangal lynch today, but I don't think it's optimal.
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #222) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:27 am

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In post 1268, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Inferno:


You know what's still bothering me? That no one has come up with a good solution to C&S's claim that they had a gunsmith-like guilty on MD, but it was D1 with no N0, and it obviously wasn't incriminating enough to push at a gladiator lynch, but incriminating enough to choke the entire thread with walls.

This seems very much out of the ballpark, but maybe I just missed something in the skim. Would someone like to clarify?
My original interpretation through the day was that mastina was either using a metaphor or noticed I was softclaiming protective.

I COULD go through mastina's ISO and find that out for you... but I could also just not.

Help me jumpstart the A50 wagon?
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #223) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 am

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In post 124, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 22, InfernoBrafin wrote:Inferno: RUDE! I'm just approaching the game objectively! Skipping RVS like this and calling half of a hydra scummy is really dumb.
VOTE: BuJaber
Arguably dumb but how is it scummy?
Look the fact of the matter is, if I can sell people on the townbloc and the don't-lynch-pool, then we're definitely lynching in
{Not_Mafia, IB, Kthx, Marangal, A50}

Then I just need to sell people on either
A. A50's slot has throughout the entire game appeared to be doing things without actually doing things.
B. I can successfully gutread A50.
C. A50 is just scummier than the other 4.
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #224) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:35 am

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Not confident. She's the scummiest person that I would be unwilling to lynch today (although I think I'd actually be unwilling to lynch Not_Mafia, so maybe 2nd scummiest).

And hoooooly shit yes she does.

Help me figure out where your mind's at. Reads? Where do our lynchpools intersect?
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #225) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:51 am

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In post 1274, InfernoBrafin wrote:Math, may I remind you who it was who moved for the No Lynch? If we were actually scum we would have moved for lynching you, not asked if there was a way for town to avoid a mislynch.
Protip: When you try to take credit for doing something townish, that immediately nullifies the townishness of that action.

I accused you of posturing in my quote wall. The whole point is that I suspect your slot was just acting out the most townish move possible.

Edit: AGH
Bujaber is supertown.
The whole point is that A50 hasn't pinged you. Town-A50 pings the fuck out of SOMEONE in every game he's in, and I'm usually the one to locktown him. He's a scummy guy. But here he's just kind of sitting back.
I could be sold on Kthx.
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #226) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:58 am

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In post 1279, Kthxbye wrote:Acryon, did you take as action last night?

Almost, same question.
Will them answering this help you determine alignments

You realise scum is just going to not lie here
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #227) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:48 am

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Beefster pls do something unrelated to setup spec and night actions thanks
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #228) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:03 am

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okay guys no one has A50 in their lynchpools yet no one is actually outright townreading him or explaining a townread
it's just "meh a50 hasn't pinged me at all"

people are too okay with too many people being lynched

and kthx/IB scumteam is laughable
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #229) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:16 am

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SPICY MEME RIGHT HERE

TOLD YOU GUYS
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #230) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:21 am

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no need to claim

we're 100% lynching A50 today

let's go guys, kthx-scum doesn't pull a guilty on A50 of all people when there's literally 1 person on his wagon
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Post Post #1302 (isolation #231) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:25 am

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acryon stop rolefishing and join the scum wagon
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #232) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:33 am

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please don't preempt the scumteam's continued reactions to this

1 scum first
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #233) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:28 am

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Thinking you just did the NK tbh
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #234) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:46 am

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"a guilty on someone is useless to me"
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #235) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:57 am

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Unfortunately, Not_Mafia is also scum here

He doesn't bus usually
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Post Post #1320 (isolation #236) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:04 am

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We can only afford maximum 2 dumb town here

Kthx is gonna be forced into a claim

People need to explain why tf Kthx claims a guilty on A50 of all people
And also remember that he asked acryon the same question
He's been busy last night
Scum isn't gonna start a story they can't finish; either you agree with me on this A50 read I've been calling all damn game or you don't, but we don't need a fullclaim (although we're gonna get one if people L-1 him)

Mastina if you give me this lynch I'll let you choose who the partner is tomorrow
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #237) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:08 am

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In post 1318, acryon wrote:If you and Kthxbye are town and part of a club where you understand each other, then it's imperative that you try to help the rest of us understand. I just don't understand this strategy of expecting people to follow you without giving a single bit of effort in helping them do so.

I have zero reason to believe that Kthxbye is not still scum.
Gimme a break.

SCUM DOESN'T FAKE GUILTIES WHEN NOT IN DANGER.

Line out exactly how the claim would help you. Do you want to make sure he doesn't get counterclaimed? Well scum have fakeclaims. Do you want to see whether or not you believe the role makes sense? Hell no, more open setup spec is just gonna give us more people claiming at the drop of a hat (thanks Beefster). Or do you want to see exactly how A50 lied?

Kthx right now is sure that A50 lied. Unless you think he's a dumb enough PR player that he can't tell how to use an investigative role, what we have is essentially a light guilty on A50. Let's call it equivalent to a tracker guilty.

No, I don't know exactly what Kthx is talking about, but I don't need to. This is no more something scum does than you gladiating 2 obvtown players is.

Edit: Okay, so do you trust Kthx's judgment?

@Kthx:
Is there any room for doubt here?
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #238) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:16 am

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Thinking N_M is more likely to be scum than Marangal here. N_M openwolfs more than she does IMO.
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #239) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:22 am

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I'm going to be floored if everyone on the Kthx wagon is town here.

@Kthx: Explain the guilty.


I have a feeling I know what this is but I'm not preempting it obviously.

And if I'm scum, I'm fucking alignment informed right now. I don't, as scum, EVER argue against guilties.
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #240) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:35 am

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Okay nope. I have a very good amount of meta showing Not_Mafia is scum here.

He doesn't make shit arguments as town to get his way. See my game (Stack the Deck).

The idea that Kthx-scum claims a guilty on someone to save acryon and mastina, when that results in all 3 of them being lynched in succession, is utterly ludicrous.

Paragraph-posting Not_Mafia always has a reason to suddenly start caring enough to argue a point. I've seen him do it to pull a mislynch in MyLo.

I'm doing a votecount.

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priorVCNumber=0
url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75184
playerList=Mathdino,marshy,Beefster,InfernoBrafin,Momrangal,Sing and Slay,BuJaber,the worst,Kthxbye,Lil Uzi Vert,acryon,TheGoldenParadox,Iconeum
replacementList=marshy:Not_Mafia,Sing and Slay:Carrot and Stick,Lil Uzi Vert:Almost50
moderatorNames=Gamma Emerald,mastina,Inferno390
dayStartNumbers=0,1011
cleanDay=true
deadline=2018-03-18 14:15:00 -5.00
deadList=TheGoldenParadox,Iconeum
voteOverrides=

Code: Select all

[spoiler=Day 1][/spoiler][spoiler=Day 2][/spoiler]
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #241) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:37 am

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Scum is going to know what Kthx's role is tonight most likely just by doing the research.

I don't want a fullclaim, but it's worth knowing how you know this, Kthx.

Fucked this up the first time sorry
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playerList=Mathdino,marshy,Beefster,InfernoBrafin,Momrangal,Sing and Slay,BuJaber,the worst,Kthxbye,Lil Uzi Vert,acryon,TheGoldenParadox,Iconeum
replacementList=marshy:Not_Mafia,Sing and Slay:Carrot and Stick,Lil Uzi Vert:Almost50
moderatorNames=Gamma Emerald,mastina,Inferno390
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #242) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:38 am

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Votecount 2.1

Kthxbye(5)
~ (20), (12), (58), (44), (27)

Almost50(3)
~ (49), (27), (30)
acryon(1)
~ (43)


Not Voting (2): InfernoBrafin(6), the worst(14)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-18 14:15:00)
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #243) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:39 am

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the worst and mastina will vote with us. I think IB might be the swing vote.

Edit: Yeah there's no way Kthx was roleblocked. Jailkeeper claim and roleblocker claim.
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Post Post #1362 (isolation #244) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:45 am

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I was guessing vanilla cop tbh.

Edit: @acryon: I was also tunneling the shit out of Not_Mafia that game on meta. It doesn't work all the time.

That said, his arguments weren't as flagrantly bad that game imo. He was literally arguing for lynching confirmed scum.
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Post Post #1376 (isolation #245) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:56 am

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Wait acryon your Not_Mafia argument sucks.

Here's a compendium of N_M posts in a high stress MyLo with his arch-mafia-nemesis Mathdino trying to mislynch him upon arrival.

Spoiler:
In post 2714, Not_Mafia wrote:Lynch it, lynch it with fire
In post 2741, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2727, Mathdino wrote:And yes I know that random guess scumteam is pretty fucking wrong but it was a daystart guess cuz NSG was curious
So fake
In post 2744, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2739, Mathdino wrote:I thought it was Hopkirk when day started but I've thought it was flubb since sheep scumclaim

I have sheep and not mafia meta that only works when I'm not in the game because they adapt their meta to my presence
So I need to do that
Sheep is claimed scum, no one cares
In post 2749, Not_Mafia wrote:You know when you're about to leave a party and then you don't, then you get trapped in an incredibly long-winded and pointless conversation with another guest and spend the whole time wishing you'd just left when you had the chance. This is that moment.
In post 2767, Not_Mafia wrote:Town Mathdino doesn't pass up the opportunity for a good old fashioned pissing contest
In post 2785, Not_Mafia wrote:I can't do it guys, I can't make serious posts only
In post 2794, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2792, Mathdino wrote:Because I didn't have a role pm yet

Like had my slot not replaced out I'd be scumreading it

The lurkout and lack of anyone screaming for a replacement made me go

Oh fucking shit that slot is town and it's gonna be me isn't it
Fakkk
Sooooooo fake omg
In post 2842, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Sheep

Fine let's be boring
In post 2853, Not_Mafia wrote:I really REALLY want to lynch Mathdino but I'm going to do the "right thing"
In post 2881, Not_Mafia wrote:Okay no fuck this

VOTE: Mathdino
In post 2967, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Sheep
In post 2978, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Math
In post 2999, Not_Mafia wrote:Sheep is literally claimed scum, there is no Hopkirk/Fire/Me possibility
In post 3003, Not_Mafia wrote:I don’t see any of the arguments as compelling or interesting at all, just dilettante word vomit. The only time you’ve done anything with any conviction was when you accused Fire of talking about ongoing games, this isn’t town Mathdino the LyLo saviour swooping in to save the helpless visigoths in the town, it’s scum Math chatting shit.

Also there are no conf towns, not even Kat and HEM, but Flubber certainly isn’t
In post 3006, Not_Mafia wrote:My vote isn’t moving, so you can carry on this unrequited 1v1 or you can just vote the claimed scum
In post 3133, Not_Mafia wrote:It’s taking all my impulse control not to vote Math
In post 3138, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3132, Mathdino wrote:sheep, why didn't you ever get to sorting Hopkirk in particular?
Why are you asking claimed scum about their reads?
In post 3144, Not_Mafia wrote:No. I'm irritated
In post 3154, Not_Mafia wrote:Why do you think I'm scum/might be scum/could be scum or wherever your read is at?
In post 3159, Not_Mafia wrote:I think Sheep is a valuable scum PR btw, scum's clearly wants one of the 1v1s forced through today
In post 3283, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3279, Mathdino wrote:I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption :P
I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire
In post 3290, Not_Mafia wrote:Mathdino did scumclaim yes, several other times too
In post 3292, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3289, Mathdino wrote:Perfect example is Hopkirk who suddenly became more enlightened than the Dalai Lama tripping balls on LSD once I started making real arguments for sheep/Hop/N_M.
Yes who has been calling the team sheep/Fire/Me and pushing
me
as the lynch, he's made no attempt to get Fire, his theoretical mislynch in your scenario, lynched
In post 3295, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3291, Mathdino wrote:You're literally arguing "town-Mathdino wouldn't rule out me/Fire as a scumteam" which is...
I'm arguing that you thinking that Fire and I couldn't pull a scum theatre gambit is transparently bullshit
In post 3298, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3294, Katyusha wrote:pedit: no really like............. what would town!dino have done here n_m in your opinion
Lynch scum, not me, not refuse to vote conf scum when we still have 8 players and what? 4 or 5 players unclaimed?
In post 3308, Not_Mafia wrote:Okay cool, lynch me because Math makes long posts with words in them, his arguments are crap and his commentary on me and what he thinks I'd do is transparently bogus. Just do me a favour and lynch the confirmed scum first
In post 3311, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3306, Mathdino wrote:
In post 3294, Katyusha wrote:what reason do scum have to waffle

obviously here n_m!scum would be trying to look town in the first place by unvoting so i guess it's kind of a dumb question but i dont think saying "scum would stick to their guns" is an unreasonable assumption, theyre the ones who come into the game with a planned agenda in mind
Scum can't plan shit. Look at the timestamps on that interaction; it was all within a span of minutes. Turbospeed.

I'm arguing that N_M knew Fire was town already and was setting him up to fall.

But then he realised Fire wouldn't go down so easily and 1v1ing Fire would have the strong potential to just confirm N_M as scum down the line.

None of it was planned because he didn't plan for Fire's fakeclaim.
Math is now moving the goalposts to distract from his bullshit argument. No one is saying we did plan it, just that your argument that we couldn't was manure
In post 3321, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3315, Katyusha wrote:monkey am i being too easily swayed? where am i going wrong?
Renaming myself monkey temporarily.

Yes, seriously go over Math's posts with a fresh mind, there's nothing there, it's all style no substance
In post 3324, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm gonna piss myself if Math is actually town, both out of hilarity and frustration
In post 3339, Not_Mafia wrote:Town Dino doesn't attempt to justify his play to me, he just laughs at me and talks about policy lynches
In post 3345, Not_Mafia wrote:And fire still isn't conftown, conf is a strong word, can we please not use it on just extremely strong reads
In post 3370, Not_Mafia wrote:What seems weird to you about stuff I've done Kat? List some things and I can explain them to you
In post 3375, Not_Mafia wrote:I honestly don't remember where exactly my read was, I wanted to lynch Hopkirk that day but wanted to see the results of a Seph wagon, I think I had Seph as a scum lean and then he self hammered
In post 3377, Not_Mafia wrote:Your slot was basically a non-presence until you subbed in
In post 3382, Not_Mafia wrote:Your mum is a non-presence
In post 3403, Not_Mafia wrote:Scum tend to interact with partners who are playing and partners who aren't

His play is completely different. Idk what you're smokin.
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #246) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:03 am

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@Mod: What result would a hypothetical Follower receive in the following situations:

A. The Follower is successfully roleblocked.
B. The target does nothing.
C. The target uses, for example, a rolecop ability and also makes a factional kill.
D. The target solely uses a rolecop ability.
E. The target solely makes a factional kill.
F. The target is a ninja and makes a factional kill.


@TW: I don't think anyone's a Lyncher here.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #247) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:05 am

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In post 1389, the worst wrote:I have a scumlean vibe from Kthx and I can't read A50. I'd rather he be sorted by investigation but failing that I'll sheep Math on him if I'm comfortable.
He literally already got sorted by investigation. You're just not believing it.

The Follower claim makes perfect sense. I almost fakeclaimed Follower in a scumgame. It detects what kind of action you used.

The only action that could get past the follower is a ninja-kill. Hence, A50 either did not actually use an action, or performed a ninja kill (unlikely, but would imply that scum roleblocked me).

Edit: WHY WOULD YOU SWITCH YOUR VOTE WITHOUT AN A50 CLAIM
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Post Post #1397 (isolation #248) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:06 am

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Guys this isn't hard.

If we have an investigative claim out of the blue a guilty on a random universal nullread (or a difficult to sort slot), YOU DON'T FUCKING LYNCH THE INVESTIGATIVE. WHAT THE HELL.

You lynch the guilty ALWAYS, and then lynch the investigative if wrong.

How often do you seriously see scum fake guilties?
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #249) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:08 am

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In post 1400, Not_Mafia wrote:I like how Math is just ignoring that kthnxbye is refusing to explain why he thought no result mean A50 made the NK and just dismissing everyone telling no result doesn't mean what he says it meant
Take a long hard look at the questions I asked the mod.
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #250) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:10 am

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In post 1399, the worst wrote:pedit hold on I thought last night was agreed as a strongman kill..... Is a strongman ninja kill seriously conceivable?
Maybe. Dunno.

FMPOV, it's possible that A50 ninja killed Iconeum while some other scum teammate roleblocked me.

@Kthx:
Why did you also ask acryon if he performed an action last night?
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #251) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:13 am

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@acryon: don't be a mastina and cheer me on lol

hey can you talk to me about your not_mafia meta that you apparently stalked

like you knew enough to go find not_mafia's games with me in them

what was it about winter wonderland that struck you as not_mafia scrambling to effortpost and make good arguments at the 11th hour?

compare to stack the deck on D3
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Post Post #1415 (isolation #252) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:18 am

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i'm actually really impressed at how difficult A50 is to lynch

given that he makes himself such an universally attractive lynch option when he's town lol
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Post Post #1430 (isolation #253) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:29 am

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In post 1416, the worst wrote:Math Buj and A50

How likely do you think Acryon is to be town here?
Not super likely. Feels weird to say this but I'm kinda sheeping Not_Mafia on this. If N_M is scum, he's not scum with acryon.

And yeah I'm pretty sure nightkills count as an action.

But implying that Kthx is lying because he doesn't know how his role works is a terrible play that recently lost me a game.
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #254) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:29 am

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In post 1425, Almost50 wrote:And my flavour is Liar X. Agerate (I know, I know. Dino's gonna pick up on "Liar", call me a liar and lynch me!)
that would be a not_mafia move

scum were given safeclaims tho
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Post Post #1437 (isolation #255) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:33 am

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yes, and i'm a blocker, brafin

please read
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #256) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:36 am

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i'm pretty sure kthx just thinks that he can't detect factional abilities

do you guys seriously think scum botches roleclaims this badly

my role PM didn't actually describe my ability, it just told me what my role was

it is entirely understandable that someone has confusion over their role

if anything this at least proves that kthx is definitively a follower

he's either town follower or scum follower, but his role is accurate
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #257) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:39 am

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For the record, some mods (Aeronaut) give trackers "No result" for both roleblocked and "target went nowhere".
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #258) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:42 am

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I'll protect you as long as mastina's doc goes on Kthx.

Kthx should obviously not out his target at all.
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #259) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:45 am

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Actually, assuming we lynch scum today, and assuming the worst is able to confirm townies, we might have ourselves a mechanical win by directing the worst (who can confirm innos), Beefster (stop night actions), and Kthx (gets tracker guilties). Maybe throw in mastina's 1-shot roleblocker. Scum's gonna have a hard time killing.

I think we should elect someone to ultimately control the night actions. This ensures we don't end up allowing scum to target their scumbuddy.
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #260) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:49 am

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The end goal is to either gradually get innos on players or force scum to no lynch repeatedly.

I don't necessarily think all those players are town, but I do think scum roles can still be used to clear town.

What are they gonna do?

Fake a guilty? :P
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Post Post #1460 (isolation #261) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:57 am

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So does anyone wanna lynch outside the gladiate and watch A50 not get nightkilled

Lol
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #262) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:59 am

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In post 1453, acryon wrote:So you have Kthx as locktown right now? Because you don't see scum navigating this claim like he did?
His claim is practically confirmed.

I don't see scum faking a softguilty on someone like this, and then gladiating them instead of taking a step back. Just gets them lynched the next day. He easily could've just stayed quiet and lynched someone else.
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #263) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:01 am

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well it's a good thing no one's calling for another vote on kthx in the meantime

oh wait

people are :facepalm:
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Post Post #1466 (isolation #264) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:07 am

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Because I have enough clout to convince this super tunnelly town?

Kthx is still in my lynchpool. While I accept the possibility for a misunderstanding, I'd still be willing to lynch him off play if he has nothing to offer us in terms of good investigations.

That said, lynching him before tonight's night action is just silly.
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Post Post #1469 (isolation #265) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:10 am

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See A50 is still scum by play here though.

He's simultaneously trying to lynch Kthx but also put up a barrier for himself to not get lynched tomorrow. Meanwhile, Kthx is basically arguing for a full-on gladiate, which he's currently losing, and which certainly gets him lynched tomorrow.

Either A50 believes the Follower claim and the claim is NAI, or he doesn't, and he shouldn't even be hedging here.

Then there's also all the other ways A50 is scum by play but if anyone's gonna make a case that everyone's gonna ignore, it'll be mastina, not me.

Edit: What is Kthx's scum motivation here?
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #266) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:15 am

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hider doesn't commute

hider is just night immune

hiders can still be tracked

but that's just me being pedantic
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #267) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:18 am

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there's a soft guilty on you and you're not fullclaiming, what do you want from me
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #268) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:31 am

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I think we really just need to wait for Gamma here.

Like, A50 is my strongest scumread regardless of the validity of this guilty, so I guess I'm biased. Maybe he has an alibi, but I'm still scumreading.

I don't see Kthx being scum here, I really don't. The fact that so many players apparently do is heavily concerning, particularly for Not_Mafia and Marangal, both of whom I'd be okay with as alternative lynches.

Any thoughts on electing the worst to control our night actions?
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Post Post #1486 (isolation #269) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:38 am

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weird, i've seen different versions of hider

the problem is a lot of these roles depend on how the role PM is worded

like i'm a bodyguard and there are 2 different ways to resolve bodyguards, 3 if you factor in interacting with other roles

but gamma didn't write blurbs for our role PMs lol
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #270) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:44 am

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WAIT I FUCKED UP LOL

gamma did in fact write a blurb for my role PM

it's just vague and doesn't really answer any questions about the role within the PM itself
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Post Post #1495 (isolation #271) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:51 am

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the worst, the way you phrased things seems to imply you can confirm some people as town but some people you won't know if they're town or scum. Is that accurate?

Like a Neapolitan-esque role, although obviously not actually Neapolitan.
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #272) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:09 am

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In post 1496, acryon wrote: just sucks. Trying to guilt the town into voting me saying he's "done" if it doesnt go through. Interestingly he doesn't seem so interested in me now.

is total speculation (and false, FWIW), yet being used as a reason for why I'm scum.

And then I've made quite clear my thoughts on this recent gambit. I think it was an attempt to clear out someone that would've been difficult to lynch, and then an easy "misunderstanding" tomorrow after a green flip.
You also gladiated the 2 town players working on writing a case for you, so forgive me if I assume that your reads this game have been almost entirely self-centred.

People can have bad reasons for thinking you're scum and not be scum.
In post 1498, the worst wrote:How do you know there's only 3 scum?

What is the likelihood of a third party?

How does 2 NKs = conclusively no vig?
Mathdino wrote:the worst, the way you phrased things seems to imply you can confirm some people as town but some people you won't know if they're town or scum. Is that accurate?
Like a Neapolitan-esque role, although obviously not actually Neapolitan.
That's not a bad way to put it. My flip will explain the bits I'm not expressly saying if it comes to that
1. Balance.
2. Unlikely.
3. The Hider died. Hider dies if he hides behind someone nightkilled or if he hides behind scum. You can't shoot hider.
4. So can you tell beforehand whether someone can be confirmed as town?
Like if you don't confirm acryon as town, does that make him for sure scum?
Cuz that would make things pretty easy for us.
In post 1499, BuJaber wrote:Lol .. man do you know how difficult it is for me to scumread you? I wanted to catch you in the lie but I still can't because of all the shit you did all game.

I really wish your read on acryon would align with mine it'd make me very confident in it.
1. Me fucking up isn't alignment indicative. I remembered a key thing about my role, that Gamma didn't word the role PM in a way that solves certain situations, like what happens if vig and mafia NK the same guy, a topic that came up in my recent game. Sometimes I forget elements of my role PM when I feel like I've gotten the gist.
In this case my role PM is basically useless. You take a bullet for someone. But can you take two? Who knows? Can you be doc'd? Also unclear!

2. I mean it's a good thing we can just confirm acryon's alignment tonight.
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Post Post #1508 (isolation #273) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:18 am

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In post 1506, acryon wrote:Very true and fair enough. But I would say the difference, whether you agree or not, is the actual reasons he put forth for me and the nature in which he tried to convince people. And I hate it when my play is self-centered, but
this game has kind of forced it to be
I feel like. I am never lynchbait, but this game people jumped on me and used poor reasons to do so.
I'm used to calling people out for bad reasons for voting other people, not me.
holy shit we got a future radiantcowbells in the making right here :giggle:

you skimmed a winter wonderland ISO, right?

bujaber was a cop in that game and got vigged, he was pretty widely scumread

now i replaced into late game so i didn't actually read like any of his posts

wanna go check and see if he is capable of shit reasoning/pushes as town (shit in the same way)
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #274) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:35 am

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kthx/a50 both being town imo results in a clear scumteam of something like

Not_Mafia/Marangal/Beefster with IB and/or Carrot as backup options

you can probably rule out some pairings here to get a better idea but yeah
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #275) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:40 am

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kk
a50's likely going to answer me so it's not like he can really sheep me on that
my reads work from my POV

hey can you hit me up with a scumgame or two
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #276) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:47 am

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In post 1516, Carrot and Stick wrote:Yeah well Mathdino is a moron.

Rather he is technically smart in that he knows not to make horrendous decisions like mislynching me, but he applies that same mindset universally--including to players that are scum. He doesn't have a good way of differentiating between "a horrendous decision which is a mislynch" and "what actually needs to be done because it's a scum lynch".
In post 2953, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2749, Not_Mafia wrote:You know when you're about to leave a party and then you don't, then you get trapped in an incredibly long-winded and pointless conversation with another guest and spend the whole time wishing you'd just left when you had the chance. This is that moment.
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Post Post #1651 (isolation #277) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:41 pm

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In post 1647, Almost50 wrote:Prove it. Give links to games where I was actually lynched a majority of town support. I know I do strike some players as scummy by nature, but to say town would want to lynch me needs some substantiating, because it's always 1 or 2 townies at most (or it could be more in large sized games like SU2).
It's never literally me though.

If you can admit N_M is heavily playing his scumgame right now, wanna wagon him instead?

@mastina: Your arguments on acryon are a bit too diluted to be convincing, sorry.
The heavily bolded section is basically "acryon is scum by his own logic and incriminated himself" which you also literally used on me 3 times this game.
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #278) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:01 pm

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dude it's honestly probably not_mafia
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Post Post #1669 (isolation #279) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:18 pm

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You didn't start off weak, A50.

You started off with a bang looking good, and even claimed that you expected my protection. You seemed to expect the NK enough to commute last night.
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Post Post #1682 (isolation #280) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:47 pm

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mastina who in the playerlist do you actually think you're swaying with posts like this lol
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Post Post #1686 (isolation #281) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:53 pm

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hey bujaber would you be down with lynching not_mafia
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Post Post #1695 (isolation #282) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:06 pm

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In post 929, Almost50 wrote:
In post 907, Mathdino wrote:
Without elaborating on speculation on reads or night actions, I would like everyone to answer:

Who is more predictable when it comes to their protection night action?
A. Mathdino
B. mastina


Whoever is more predictable should be the one that protects Iconeum. The other does their best elsewhere.
I'd say it's Mathdino, but his claimed choice of protecting Iconeum earlier gives me pause.

Suffice it to say that I would have expected Dino to protect me initially, and I would have never imagined Mastina would pick me for protection.

Also, @Mastina: Check this post for the most recent example of me pegging you (as scum) correctly, although I was wrong about both RC & Anen.

I wanted to respond last night before I went to sleep but the game was still ongoing, so I'm actually lucky to see it's officially over while I'm typing this.

Another incident was in Kuroi's game when we were all scum (all but Chara). However, there wasn't much I could've done about it in thread and I never landed the NK (nor did Peregrine) so I was literally at a disadvantage there.

But sure, you may want to claim you know of all your tells, and -in fact- the weaker one is starting to show in her, but not the "conclusive" one.

As for the lynch, I've decided I'm not voting unless it's to
hammer the No Lynch
. "When in doubt.." ahem.. you know the rest.
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #283) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:08 pm

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In post 1690, BuJaber wrote:I think he's scum but no. He is the last scum I want to lynch. If A50 and acryon are both town (again, I don't actually believe this is likely), that clears NM imo.

I am only voting for a50 or acryon. And I'd much rather it was A50 because A50 v Kthx is definitely TvS.
Disagree
Starting to think nothing clears him
He's bad when he doesn't give a shit
But he's rarely absolutely terrible when he does
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Post Post #1701 (isolation #284) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:39 pm

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Great, we have more support for a Not_Mafia lynch than A50
His play is agenda driven in a way town Not_Mafia never llays

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Need you on this IB
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #285) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:05 pm

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Am I not manipulative D:

Anyway buddy I'm gonna need you on this wagon, you won't regret it :]
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Post Post #1709 (isolation #286) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:14 pm

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Marangal is lynchable
I need IBs vote since town is being bad, so policy lynching him doesn't do any good
BuJaber is pretty damn town
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #287) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:36 am

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UNVOTE:
Self hammer.
I'm coming up with a night action plan shortly
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #288) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:33 am

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Current claims:
mastina: 1-shot Doc, 1-shot Rolecop, 1-shot Roleblocker
Mathdino: Bodyguard
Beefster: Jailkeeper
the worst: Investigative
Kthxbye: Follower
Almost50: Commuter
Marangal: Messenger
acryon: Effective VT
Bujaber: Effective VT

InfernoBrafin, Not_Mafia, unclaimed.

So assuming we're lynching Not_Mafia:
In the case of scumflip, this somewhat incriminates A50.
In the case of a townflip, I agree this doesn't really help any, although it somewhat incriminates the people willing to vote him that were unwilling to vote A50.

Our goal is to clear people while preventing mafia from doing anything without incriminating themselves.

In the case of Not_Mafia flipping scum, it would be cool if you guys called who the scumteam is.

Don't worry about the VCA, he could've self-hammered just now.

In the case of Not_Mafia flipping town, we're gonna have a greater issue in preventing scum from doing things, and will probably have to settle for using PRs defencively and to confirm people's roles (not alignments).
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Post Post #1741 (isolation #289) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:15 am

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I mean our goal if N_M flips scum should be to completely prevent the scumteam from performing a nightkill on anyone without getting fucked up.
The problem is if A50 is just a mafia ascetic, we won't be able to stop him anyway, since no one can target him. This is actually why I strongly prefer the A50 lynch.

If N_M flips town, there's basically no way we can stop the NK, so our goal would be to stop them from killing our investigatives and townbloc.
Mathdino protects the worst
mastina guards Kthxbye
Beefster jails Bujaber
Seems to work.
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #290) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:21 am

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That only works if we can ensure that ascetic/commuter gets a different result from "did nothing".

If "no result" is different from "did nothing", then yeah, we can do that.
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #291) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:27 am

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Okay, so N_M scumflip means we follow A50 again (and make sure he doesn't commute) and jail/roleblock whoever might also be scum.
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #292) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:30 am

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In post 1746, Not_Mafia wrote:Made when obvscum mastina gets away with it because no one wants to read her posts
...are you reading her posts?

anyway you might wanna claim

given my vote's on you and mastina definitely votes you on return

Edit: i guess
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #293) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:23 am

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Is it worth keeping Not_Mafia alive for the investigative result?

I'd really rather lynch A50 here.
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #294) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:30 am

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I've never scumread A50 before. Having really only seen town A50, I'd say pretty likely.

mastina we can probably reasonably assume is not scum with A50. I want a scumflip before going after mastina.
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #295) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:01 am

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You're gonna have to explain that then.
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Post Post #1766 (isolation #296) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:21 am

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A flip from who?
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Post Post #1769 (isolation #297) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:27 am

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You want us to flip acryon to confirm that you knew he was town?
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #298) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:32 am

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...he's going to flip 1-shot gladiator though if he's telling the truth
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #299) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:42 am

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In post 1772, Not_Mafia wrote:It's not related to his role, you'll understand once I can explain it, until then it's best dropped
Okay but you're also highly likely to just get lynched here, so outing that now would be pretty ideal.

You can only explain it after his flip? He's never getting NK'd and you calling him town after his lynch is pretty useless.
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Post Post #1777 (isolation #300) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:48 am

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acryon do you know anything about any of this?
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #301) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:51 am

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And your flip won't actually add anything to the information at hand, correct?

Flavour maybe? I feel like it's flavour.
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #302) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:53 am

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Nah, we're doing this instead.

VOTE: Marangal
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Post Post #1784 (isolation #303) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:00 am

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In post 850, Not_Mafia wrote:acryon is town, don't ask me why, everyone has what they need to figure it out

PEdit: omg everyone staph
This was after acryon's flavour claim.

It has to be flavour related.
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Post Post #1786 (isolation #304) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:08 pm

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Realistically, the scumteam could very viably be A50/N_M/Marangal.

I don't believe acryon is scum with Not_Mafia.

Messenger is basically useless to us while we could at least in theory get info from the motion detector.

Plus, a messenger sending a message saying "I'm town" is lolworthy.
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #305) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:25 pm

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Beefster jailed her
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #306) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:02 pm

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N_M/acryon doesn't really make sense here. That also requires mastina hardbussing both her partners. It'd be unlike her.
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Post Post #1796 (isolation #307) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:40 pm

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IB there are a dozen more important things you could be doing than tunneling on mastina using a metaphor.

You're not parsing mastina's words correctly. That's fine, whatever, she can explain that to you. But the feedback time for you to have a conversation with mastina is so unbearingly long on average that you're holding yourself up by going down that road.

I think you're surface level scumhunting tbh. You get hung up on small inconsistencies without really looking at anyone's overall trajectories. mastina claiming a "gunsmith-guilty sort of scumread" on me is NAI. Me using the word "scummy" differently in different context is NAI. And if I were scum, you wouldn't be able to catch the entire scumteam by me literally stating my scumpartners in my first post, lol.

Your lynchpool is all low hanging fruit.

But hey, I agree that there's at least one scum in it. So work on the other slots.
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Post Post #1807 (isolation #308) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:34 pm

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In post 1797, Momrangal wrote:WHAT ABOUT MASTIN CALLING A50 SCUM FOR DOING SOMETHING HE DOES AS BOTH ALIGNMENTS
In post 1798, Momrangal wrote:And honestly is isn't just A50. She's been doing that all game. To all of her supposed scum reads
Wow that sounds like something mastina does as both alignments :facepalm:
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:So either Math is lying or scum have strongman. (Strongman it is).
Or they roleblocked me.
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:Either Mom is lying or mastina is lying (jailkeeper does not rolestop actions as mod has said).
Jailkeeper doesn't rolestop, they roleblock. Rolestopping makes someone untargetable. Roleblocking stops the night action.
Beefster jailed Marangal. She's probably actually a messenger.
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:Either kthx is lying or A50 is lying or A50 is ninja+strongman or A50 is ascetic or both town. Not a whole lot of help there. Just if kthx is scum his play was really weird. I mean it would indicate a kthx/NM/acryon team maybe. Or kthx/mastina/NM. Or Kthx/mastina/beef? Whatever don't need to figure that out now.
Kthx can't be lying. Kthx knew A50 didn't perform a trackable night action. Scenarios are:
- Kthx/A50 scumteam (lol)
- Kthx scum follower, A50 town commuter
- Kthx town follower, A50 town commuter
- Kthx town follower, A50 scum commuter/ascetic

Kthx/N_M is a silly team.
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:NM's result doesn't clear acryon. If acryon is scum no way he'd have gladiator and strongman. If we believe NM acryon is town because of the info he doesn't want to reveal not because of the result. So they're both either scum or town independently. But fwiw I actually believe NM here I just think he's wrong about acryon.
This is a good point, and is a good reason we should flip scum until we catch the roleblocker or strongman.
N_M likely "knows" acryon is town by flavour or something. He said multiple times we all have enough info to figure it out.
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:We are assuming beef is town though there is nothing to suggest it honestly. Let's not forget him.
He's a jailkeeper and thus can be sorted by the NK. Just direct his night action carefully. Make sure he never jails someone that we think is his scumbuddy.
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:I think we have to lynch A50 or mom.
Correct.
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:Mastina being a liar is so unlikely. Let's just find out now fuck it I want that shit put to bed.
mastina doesn't lie that much as scum. Could still be scum claiming her real role though.
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:We have to lynch mom. Mom you flipping town single-handedly ensures a mastina lynch. Gotta take what you can get. Self vote please we don't need to stretch this out anymore. You might say well why not lynch mastina and if the answer is not obvious is that me and MD both think her being scum is quite far fetched so by default you're more expendable.
least convincing argument for a self-vote i've ever seen lol
In post 1799, BuJaber wrote:3rd scum could be a lot of people so let's just find scum first and then we can think about the entire scumteam.
We should at least come up with scumteam ideas on the assumption that whomever we lynch flips scum.
We don't want to direct anyone to target their scumbuddy at night, because this allows for lying about the results.
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Post Post #1808 (isolation #309) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:35 pm

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In post 1801, Momrangal wrote:Mathdino is policy lynching.
Mathdino is not being logical.
Mathdino is being emotional
In post 1803, Momrangal wrote:Me and Mara are not synching Thus she must be scum (we never sync)
Mara is not working with me she must be scum
Maras plan with her role is more convenient as scum and she would never do that as town and thus is scum
Literally none of these are arguments I've used as to why you're scum?

I mean sending a message solely saying "I am town" is useless and is an argument that your role doesn't clear you, but that's not in itself why you're scum, lol.
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Post Post #1818 (isolation #310) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:49 pm

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@ by Marangal: uhhhhh

A much better question is "Does scum intentionally fuck up in that way continually and throughout the day?"

Scumreading Bujaber is bad, it jumps on playstyle aspects and takes advantage of him being a dumbo.
Scumreading Kthx was atrocious, in the assumption that a clearly conservative type of player would call a fake guilty on someone on D2.
Scumreading mastina is fine I guess.
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Post Post #1819 (isolation #311) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:51 pm

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wait fuck
by Marangal is genuine as fuck
i went back to make a case on her
but that plan doesn't come from scum
UNVOTE:

VOTE: A50
i'm gunning for this lynch, all out, let's go
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Post Post #1820 (isolation #312) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:51 pm

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to be clear, i completely skipped over that post the first time because mastina walls made me basically scroll to the end

so yeah mastina provably anti-town
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Post Post #1827 (isolation #313) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:56 pm

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In post 1821, BuJaber wrote:Can anyone definitely say Mom/IB/Beef cannot be a scumteam?
there are worlds where all 3 of these are town

get better reads

too many people in this game have been reading based on charisma/skill rather than motivation

marangal has been bad town, which unfortunately is often indistinguishable from her towngame

but A50 is not bad town

N_M is not bad when he cares, and he clearly started caring when Kthx pulled the "guilty" (i wonder why)
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Post Post #1831 (isolation #314) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:32 am

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Post Post #1834 (isolation #315) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:41 am

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Votecount 2.2

Almost50(4)
~ (105), (122), (75), (92)

Carrot and Stick(3)
~ (97), (80), (76)
Not_Mafia(2)
~ (74), (30)


Not Voting (2): InfernoBrafin(12), (43)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-18 14:15:00)
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Post Post #1835 (isolation #316) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:02 am

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Conservative Plan for A50 scumflip
:

Mathdino guards the worst
mastina docs Kthxbye
Beefster jails Bujaber
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal messages the worst
Not_Mafia motion detects acryon
Kthxbye follows either Not_Mafia or Beefster

Alternative Plan (focused around stopping the kill)
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Mathdino guards Kthxbye
Kthxbye follows Not_Mafia
mastina roleblocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina
Not_Mafia motion detects Marangal
Marangal holsters
the worst checks Bujaber

Works in the case that mastina and Beefster can stop each other from performing factional kills (and also on the basis that mastina and Beefster are not literally the scumteam).

Thoughts?
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #317) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:12 am

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Re: Mastina doing things as both alignments: Why would I give someone crap for something they do as both alignments when doing so would just result in more walls?

Re: Mastina lying: No I mean mastina's scum philosophy is based around lying as little as possible. I don't think she fakeclaims off the reservation in a setup where she's given a safeclaim.
Plus, the existence of a JOAT is basically confirmed. The powers are not.

Re: N_M vs A50: Not_Mafia's role is definitely more powerful than A50's. N_M defending acryon like this is more pro-town than anything A50's ever done.

Edit: @the worst: In a world where Marangal turns out to be scum? Sure, yeah.
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #318) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:20 am

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Not_Mafia can potentially detect scum performing the nightkill, as long as we ensure that scum doesn't go and perform a night action on her instead.

@Bujaber: The point is that Marangal wouldn't fakeclaim her role; she's town messenger or scum messenger. By motion detecting her, we can basically stop her from performing the nightkill (or get caught by Not_Mafia).
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Post Post #1850 (isolation #319) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:24 am

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Right. So under any night action plan, we have to disincentivise the entire scumteam from performing the kill.

In the case of A50 flipping town, we obviously can't stop all 3 without nailing exactly what it is, so I think A50 townflip should be:

Mathdino protects the worst (likely dies)
mastina protects Kthx
Beefster jails Bujaber
^this locks down our townbloc

the worst investigates whoever he wants
Kthx follows whoever he wants
Not_Mafia checks anyone not already slated for a night action

Everyone else holsters
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #320) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:26 am

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In post 1847, the worst wrote:I'm 99% sure the correct action for me tonight is targeting acryon
Sounds okay to me.
In post 1849, BuJaber wrote:Yeah actually why check me?

How does definitively prove I'm town help anyone?
Some people are still scumreading you I guess.

Yeah it occurs to me that the alternate plan doesn't really account for acryon-scum. Not_Mafia should probably flip a coin between acryon and a holstering Marangal.
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Post Post #1854 (isolation #321) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:47 am

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I mean, if a kill ends up going through and everyone has an innocent, then we just lynch InfernoBrafin. ezpz

I checked with the mod, and a Jailkeeper and Roleblocker blocking each other would also block factional kills. I see absolutely 0 reason to not have Beefster and mastina block each other in that case.

Even better, this also stops the scum versions of them from targeting Not_Mafia's target, which stops N_M from getting phony results.

I see no reason not to go with the alternate plan at this point. To reiterate:

Mathdino guards Kthx
mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster blocks mastina
Kthx follows Not_Mafia
Not_Mafia detects Marangal (or really anyone as long as they promise not to do shit at night)
Marangal holsters
the worst checks acryon

If the worst gets killed and everyone has an inno, we lynch in {acryon, IB}.
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Post Post #1858 (isolation #322) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:07 am

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Occurs to me that you've never been around for one of my setup breaks.

After a scum lynch in one of mastina's intentionally unbalanced game, a similar night action plan 100% solved it.

Obviously we're gonna have issues if A50's actually town, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

No point speculating on A50's scumpartners; if they're who I think they might be, I'll be alive tomorrow to talk about it. If I die, it's obviously one of {acryon, IB} and you guys can solve the rest.
That said, do note that Beefster's voting patterns are abjectly awful in the world of A50 scum.

In the case of A50 flipping town, my reads go something like:
the worst
{Kthx, Marangal, Bujaber}
{acryon, mastina, Beefster}
{IB, Not_Mafia}
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #323) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:42 am

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Anyone who ever defends each other is the scumteam, yes.

Dude, mastina is not scum that tried to fake a Night 0 guilty on me.

In fact, there's no world in which scum EVER do something like that.

At this point I think you just need to review tactics that have actually been used by scum in your games. A lot of things that seem like scumtells early on aren't actually scumtells. You learn by watching them flip town until you realise that scum isn't full of idiots who play at first level.
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #324) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:43 am

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I'm not fucking policy lynching mastina (a confirmed JOAT with a claimed doc/roleblocker) for using a metaphor.
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #325) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:42 am

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If A50 flips town marangal I promise you'll get your mastina lynch
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Post Post #1875 (isolation #326) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:10 am

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In post 1874, Momrangal wrote:Or it would be but, more than likely, you won't be around tomorrow to help me get that lynch.

I also don't feel good putting my vote on a toan read
I humbly request that upon my inevitable death, the worst and Bujaber both sheep my reads and lynch mastina, with the inevitable votes of InfernoBrafin, Not_Mafia, Marangal, and possibly acryon.


There's your votes. mastina hasn't been lynched today because I keep throwing my support behind all her counterwagons. She's, if anything, MORE likely to get lynched without me (I keep getting distracted).

Look the bottom line is Bujaber's most likely town, Not_Mafia's endorsement of acryon is likely correct and town motivated, the worst is town, la la la, blah blah blah, A50 is scum by PoE. He hasn't done anything this game that isn't fakable by scum-him (by contrast, the worst has done things outside his scum range, and MAYBE Not_Mafia has? idk).
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Post Post #1877 (isolation #327) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:24 am

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Because A50 is scum before mastina is scum
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Post Post #1883 (isolation #328) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:25 am

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I answered no to marangal/A50 my dude

Mastina is confirmed joat by Icons flip, she's just not confirmed town

Questioning setup spec is NAI, plus you know very well i townread that shit more often than not
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Post Post #1887 (isolation #329) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:16 am

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@acryon: actually yeah that post is pretty lynchable tomorrow, good take

still, i want to finish this story arc first

are we all good with the plans?

A50 scumflip:

Mathdino protects Kthxbye
mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster jails mastina
the worst checks acryon
Marangal holsters
Not_Mafia motion detects Marangal
Kthxbye follows Not_Mafia

A50 townflip
:
Mathdino protects the worst
mastina protects Kthx
Beefster jails Bujaber

the worst/Kthx check anyone
Not_Mafia checks anyone not already slated for a night action
Everyone else holsters unless they know their action strictly helps town
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Post Post #1888 (isolation #330) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:17 am

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In post 1886, InfernoBrafin wrote:No A50 + Acryon
No Bu + Beef
bad takes

a50/acryon is actually somewhat likely
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Post Post #1890 (isolation #331) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:21 am

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do you feel like hammering then
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Post Post #1898 (isolation #332) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:26 am

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In post 1891, InfernoBrafin wrote:I have a relevant question before we continue on.
Is this flip most likely going to flip scum tomorrow by associations?

I also am amused by the fact that you want C&S lynched, but are going after the claimed commuter. :D
bro, if this flips scum, then we either have this game on lock by nightplay and associatives (like how scum clearly never wanted A50 lynched), or no one will die and we can have this conversation again tomorrow
if this flips town, i die and we lynch mastina
commuter is a bad role, i don't see what's so bad about going after a commuter instead of a claimed roleblocker/doctor
In post 1892, acryon wrote:Obviously disagree with you on that, but what do you think of the take that Bu and Beef can't be partners?
i mean i'm townreading bujaber
but in a universe where bujaber was scum, there really isn't that much against bujaber/beefster
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #333) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:31 am

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In post 1894, InfernoBrafin wrote:Also, does everyone generally agree with this information? And would he same associations be available without the coming night?
In post 1895, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Brafin:

@Math: Not from A50's first post. He goes after Acryon in literally the first breath he takes, then goes silent. A50 could be, imo, trying to shade Acryon/make him look like a scumbuddy (Assuming that A50!scum)
@All: I know this is kind of sucky, but could we put off the lynch for a few days? I could really use the time to get this flowchart together.
pouncing on your scumbuddy based around a shitty tell is a really nice way to get towncred
like you're assuming 3rd level play when they could literally just be a scumteam

1st level: A50 is scum trying to push town acryon based on shit reasoning.
2nd level: A50 is scum with acryon trying to look like he's pushing town acryon to distance from him.
3rd level: A50 is scum trying to make acryon look like his scumbuddy by acting like scum distancing.

like, okay, great, all of these scenarios are possible
i don't think 3rd level is particularly more likely than anything else
they're definitely a workable scumteam by VCA
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Post Post #1906 (isolation #334) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:34 am

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In post 1894, InfernoBrafin wrote:Also, does everyone generally agree with this information? And would he same associations be available without the coming night?
EBWOP: I don't know what you mean by this at all, sorry.
In post 1899, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Brafin:

Great. In that case, I'm going to move for a bold action. Please pardon if this comes off a little harsh or arrogant:
Everyone unvote and minimize posting. Now. Right this second.

This prevents A) A quickhammer from stupid town or scum and B) it lowers the incoming posts, making it easier for me to catch up. Previously we had points where we got 3-4 PAGES in an hour, and if I'm going to catch up, that's just not going to work.
A. we lynch scumhammers even if A50 flips scum tbh
hammering your partner is classic

B. i mean sure
i'm still going to respond to things as they come though

i currently need to make sure not_mafia is on board with motion detecting marangal
and that beefster and mastina are good blocking each other

do keep in mind that if someone hammers, you have the entire night to catch up, which one could argue is significantly better
i don't see a world where i push another lynch today, sorry
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #335) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:34 am

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for what it's worth i'm townreading this tryhardness
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Post Post #1913 (isolation #336) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:58 am

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In post 1910, InfernoBrafin wrote:Math, answer my questions.
1) Will this flip allow us to lynch by associative tomorrow, regardless of flip?
2) Will we require the night's actions to make a lynch by association?
3) Does everyone agree with your response on 1) if it is yes?
what
i already answered all of these, you're just not caught up on the last 10 pages of discussion lol

1. A50 scum likely means scum in {N_M, acryon, Beefster} but it will honestly depend on whether a kill goes through
A50 town means we lynch mastina, and kthx looks significantly worse

2. we have like 7 directable power roles, of course we're going to use those
the primary goal however is stopping the nightkill

3. i haven't seen anyone really disagree with any of this
mastina is obviously not going to agree to being lynched on A50 townflip but whatever
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Post Post #1914 (isolation #337) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:59 am

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In post 1909, acryon wrote:
In post 1905, the worst wrote:Inferno and James I'd encourage you guys to catch up but continually posting as though the last 1500 posts haven't happened is more likely to cause uninformed opinions to be thrown around

Just keep making notes/flowchart it or w/e and share once you've caught up
Yeah this is probably best. But I do think we should wait to hear what they have to add, especially since it's a slot not set to be protected.
Mathdino wrote: do keep in mind that if someone hammers, you have the entire night to catch up, which one could argue is significantly better
i don't see a world where i push another lynch today, sorry
Unless they get NK'd.
COUNTERPOINT: if they get NK'd
1. they don't have to catch up
2. scum has just removed someone from our lynchpool

i'd call it a win-win but it's really just a win for town
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Post Post #1916 (isolation #338) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:05 am

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you're not being irritating it's fine
as long as you're not nitpicking my word choice we're good :lol:

A. we brought him to L-1, and any of {the worst, IB} is likely available as a hammer (the rest are probably just scum tbh)
B. cool sounds good
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Post Post #1919 (isolation #339) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:17 am

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we have 11 days

please don't stall out the game entirely

catch up asap

the longer we wait, the more likely that

A. people settle on a bad lynch
B. everyone loses interest in the game and D3 becomes a lurkerfest

is 3 days or so reasonable
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Post Post #1922 (isolation #340) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:25 am

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In post 1920, InfernoBrafin wrote:EBWOP on EBWOP: Yeah, we have plenty of time. There is no reason to be lynching for a good while yet.

P-edit: No, to maximize the usefulness of this move, we need to use up as much time as possible and gather as much info as possible. Trust me, it will be worth it. You might have to rethink your gamebreaking plan tho. :D
if this means you're gonna claim and add to the plan, great

but just remember that longer days and longer deadlines tend to hurt town (this is generally agreed and has been shown)

when i say "we have 11 days" i mean that as a bad thing

games on MS used to not have deadlines at all, but then games stalled out, so mods implemented deadlines as a means of helping town

tl;dr: we're not taking the entire 11 days
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Post Post #1931 (isolation #341) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:49 am

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No
Mastinas roleblock is really important here for clearing Beefster
There is no comparable plan for a mastina scum flip tbh
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Post Post #1934 (isolation #342) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:17 pm

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you're likely right on 2/3 of those

do you mind claiming? i heavily doubt you're gonna get shot anytime soon when there are 3 claimed protectives and 3 claimed investigatives

it occurs to me that because beefster's jail on marangal has been confirmed, one of the following must have happened:
A. mastina roleblocked me (or rolestopped Icon). No way there's a jailkeeper, JOAT with a roleblocker, and also another roleblocking ability.
B. I'm lying.
C. There's a strongman out there.

Going through the playerlist:
acryon: Is already a gladiator. That said, his flavour is literally Captain Strong, lol. Could be scum with both abilities.
A50: Isn't the strongman unless scum have a strongman ninja kill.
Beefster: Confirmed blocked Marangal.
Bujaber: Unclaimed, but softclaimed visitor of some kind. Doubtful this is strongman.
mastina: Icon was a backup JOAT, remember. Icon would not have been given a 1-shot strongman. Therefore mastina can't have this.
IB: Softing something or other.
Kthx: Confirmed follower.
Marangal: Wouldn't fakeclaim messenger. Probably not strongman.
N_M: Could have fakeclaimed his motion detector result, his results only came after a bunch of claims.
the worst: Some kind of investigative.

Roleblocker candidates: mastina
Strongman candidates: acryon, IB, N_M
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Post Post #1938 (isolation #343) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:14 pm

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Ah, right.

So he isn't the strongman, and there's confirmed scum in {Mathdino, mastina, acryon, IB, N_M}.

N_M, thoughts?
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Post Post #1949 (isolation #344) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:05 am

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In post 1940, InfernoBrafin wrote:We are a One Shot Double-Day Maker aligned with town. With this, we can create an extra day phase after a lynch. This dayphase will be as long as the time left on the clock at the time of flip, unless it would be less than 7 IRL days, which would make it 7 IRL days. No lynching is an option. We must submit during the day we wish for it to take effect before twilight. We also may not use it during MyLo or LyLo.
I want this today, yes. I'm not comfortable going into the nightphase if A50-town.

There's pretty transparently scum in {Beefster, mastina} tbh. 3 protectives would be silly, even if against a strongman. That's why I'm having them block each other.

That said, for night purposes, I think the optimal move is to do A50 --> acryon and then lynch mastina tomorrow, so we at least get her night action in. There's a very good chance we won't have any kills at all.
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #345) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:21 am

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I'm not protecting a non-investigative. Protecting IB just results in Kthx's or the worst's results going down the drain.

The plan was to use everyone's abilities to force scum to either not take a shot, or get caught in the process.

But the plan was also literally on the condition that A50 flips scum, which we can immediately test for right now. We're in a similarly bad spot tomorrow lynching A50 AND you (with townflips) as we would be just lynching A50-town.
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #346) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:27 am

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the worst can only get innocents, not guilties.

Kthx can only catch people doing the nightkill.

Not_Mafia can only catch people who otherwise would not perform night actions doing the nightkill.

And one of them is probably scum. You're speaking in generalities when I'm speaking within the specifics of the claims we have.
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #347) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:40 am

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We can't protect both the investigatives and also IB.

Best case scenario from your point of view, A50 flips scum and we don't have to check you anymore. FMPOV at least one of you flips scum and we have the game on lock.

Worst case scenario means we still just lynch mastina tomorrow.
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Post Post #1960 (isolation #348) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:42 am

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Consider that if scum has the ability to produce an extra kill somehow, IB still doesn't get to use his ability tomorrow.

PLUS if IB uses it tomorrow and we lynch town the first time, we're in MyLo already anyway!
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #349) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:51 am

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Considering he's been avoiding voting A50 all game, I'm guessing the answer is "he doesn't".

Entirely possible the scumteam is literally {A50, acryon, Beefster}.
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Post Post #1964 (isolation #350) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:56 am

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The lynches aren't going to be heavily informed because scum will literally just kill one of the investigatives.

I don't understand how you don't see this.
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #351) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:59 am

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Look, again, the purpose of the plan isn't to catch scum, it's to force scum to no kill.

That means we need to lynch just 1 scum today, while leaving intact the night actions of:
Beefster/mastina (need to be alive to block each other)
the worst/Kthx/Not_Mafia (need to be alive to produce results)

That means our lynchpool must be {Mathdino, Bujaber, IB (if we doubleday), Marangal, A50, acryon}

So unless you think THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM is in the 5 that we need alive, pick 2 in the lynchpool and we design the night plan around the hope that we hit scum in one of them.

THE NIGHTPLAN DOESNT WORK IF WE DONT HIT SCUM TODAY THOUGH.
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #352) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:00 am

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In post 1966, acryon wrote:They kill one. We protect the others. So we just don't protect someone like N_M who has a weaker investigative.
N_M's investigative used correctly is stronger than the worst's.
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Post Post #1971 (isolation #353) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:01 am

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In post 1967, acryon wrote:Not to mention even if we pretended that we will get ZERO helpful info from our PR's, we still are making more informed lynches in the 2nd scenario because we have more flips.
The fuck?

Literally all that's gonna happen is scum kill an investigative, we lose that result, and we have a townflip today.

WE STILL HAVE THAT TOWNFLIP TODAY IF WE DOUBLEDAY THOUGH.

VOTE: acryon

IB's role was literally designed to counter acryon's. This should be fairly obvious to everyone.

IB, activate doubleday thanks.
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Post Post #1975 (isolation #354) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:25 am

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I can't believe I'm doing this.
@mod: Request prod on Carrot and Stick.


Marangal/Not_Mafias relative silence since we came up with the night action plan has been deafening.
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #355) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:30 am

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In post 1974, acryon wrote:
In post 1971, Mathdino wrote:
In post 1967, acryon wrote:Not to mention even if we pretended that we will get ZERO helpful info from our PR's, we still are making more informed lynches in the 2nd scenario because we have more flips.
The fuck?

Literally all that's gonna happen is scum kill an investigative, we lose that result, and we have a townflip today.

WE STILL HAVE THAT TOWNFLIP TODAY IF WE DOUBLEDAY THOUGH.
Except you're wrong. N_M's slot is heavily in question, with many people scumreading him. How is him getting NK'd not a win for town decision-making?

You're acting like all of the PR's we have are conftown. They are not.
Kthxbye wrote:Then who would you lynch to for the best possibly of hitting scum?
Personally C&S or Beefster.
You either don't understand setup breaking or you're scum.

Look, the whole point of leaving those 5 alive is to force the potential scum in them to do the night actions they promised.

Say Beefster or mastina is scum. WHO CARES? They're going to block each other tonight, so they're not performing the nightkill unless they're literally the scumteam!

Say Not_Mafia is scum. WHO CARES? He's been assigned to detect Marangal (or Bujaber depending on how this goes). He either has to fake a guilty on one of them, or he potentially confirms and innocent. PLUS Kthx is already checking N_M!

They're not conftown, but scum roles can still be used to benefit town.

You're getting lynched 100% of the time if you try to lynch in {Beefster, C&S, N_M, Kthx, the worst} today. Pick any 2 outside of those 5.
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #356) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:30 am

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In post 1978, Not_Mafia wrote:I just wanna lynch Carrot
In post 1977, Momrangal wrote:It has.

I am not great (read terrible) with those kinds of stuff
Can you guys just confirm that N_M targets Marangal and Marangal does nothing tonight?

Also votes on acryon would help here.
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #357) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:34 am

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Marangal, it's also possible that he's faking badness because given the plans set in motion, he can't win.
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Post Post #1986 (isolation #358) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:42 am

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acryon, who's the scumteam?
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #359) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:48 am

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Actually, this just confirms to me that acryon is scum with one of mastina and Beefster.

Consider that in that situation scum can literally just block whomever protects IB and kill IB anyway.
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #360) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:49 am

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Actually, yeah, there's no universe in which acryon's plan checks out form his point of view.

If Beefster AND C&S are both scum (or even just one of them), then I'm literally the only protective, and they can easily both block me from protecting IB.
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Post Post #1992 (isolation #361) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:50 am

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dear god man it doesn't matter
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #362) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:51 am

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ACRYON DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT WITH YOUR PROPOSED SCUMTEAM

THERE IS NO WAY IB LIVES THROUGH THE NIGHT
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #363) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:53 am

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acryon: 1-shot Gladiator
Almost50: X-shot Commuter
Beefster: Jailkeeper
Bujaber: Probably a Compulsive Visitor? Unclaimed
Carrot & Mastina: JOAT (Roleblocker, Rolecop, Doctor)
InfernoBrafin: 1-shot Double Daymaker
Kthxbye: Follower
Mathdino: Bodyguard
Marangal: Messenger
Not_Mafia: Motion Detector
the worst: Investigative

Iconeum: Backup JOAT
GoldenParadox: Hider
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Post Post #2000 (isolation #364) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:54 am

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In post 1997, acryon wrote:
In post 1996, Mathdino wrote:ACRYON DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT WITH YOUR PROPOSED SCUMTEAM

THERE IS NO WAY IB LIVES THROUGH THE NIGHT
Except that the whole point of the night setup is that we
know
if someone doesn't play along.
we already practically know one of beefster and mastina is scum

of fucking course one of them is going to block me tonight

not to mention there's the possibility that scum have a strongman

IB's power is too useful to risk just to watch scum be like OOPS SORRY I GOT ROLEBLOCKED
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #365) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:54 am

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IB is a day action
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Post Post #2006 (isolation #366) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:58 am

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Of course we're using it today.

And fucking lol at lynching one of the protectives.

Not_Mafia I completely fail to see how acryon's town here. He's not this dense.

How sure are you that he's town?

It looks like you called him town after he claimed Captain Strong.
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #367) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:00 am

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There's a fairly good chance acryon is a strongman, and that I wasn't roleblocked.

VC incoming.
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #368) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:03 am

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In post 2011, acryon wrote:"One of the protectives" that many people believe are scum. Now you're choosing to lynch people based on the utility of their claim.
You spent 2/3 of early D1 shitting on hydrae.

You then built up to a "Wow Icon and Mathdino are really bearing down on me, huh?" and then fucking gladiated us.

You then refused to vote highly likely scum, instead voting someone an investigative claiming a soft guilty.

And now you're trying to stop IB from using the double day when there's basically 0 chance of him living through the night.

This is not policy. You're openwolfing because you know you won't see LyLo.
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #369) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:07 am

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It's honestly really difficult to play as openly anti-town as acryon has.

Like you have to be REALLY trying hard there.
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #370) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:11 am

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then you push lynches on 2 people in the lynchpool that aren't town!

all of the time you've spent trying to argue that mechanically saving IB for tomorrow isn't the best decision

is time you could've spent trying to sell me on bujaber or marangal, both of whom i'm townreading me

the fact that you believe A50 is town so strongly is actually incredibly confusing
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #371) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:19 am

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The towniest shit A50 has done is accept his own lynch on the condition that we lynch mastina. That's actually not a shit deal.

But see, you didn't argue hard against the A50 lynch until you realised that you might also get lynched today.
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #372) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:29 am

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The night plan is seriously just bad if A50 flips town though. Scum can easily just have mastina or Beefster roleblock me and kill whomever I'm guarding.
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #373) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:41 am

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Because the goal is to block the NK and the roleblock
And having them block each other does so
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Post Post #2038 (isolation #374) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:55 am

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In post 2032, BuJaber wrote:Actually I'm so confident right now that pretty much the only way we lose this game is if math is scum. And like I threatened him multiple times I'm policy-lynching him at lylo if I'm alive by then. So even that scenario town wins.
i just want you to know that i would never have taken this deal if i wasn't literally trying to die every night
also remember that mastina probably rolecopped me and confirmed me as BG; scum bodyguard with 0 town killing roles is just negative scum utility

also i'm still pretty sure that N_M is convinced acryon is town based on flavour
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Post Post #2040 (isolation #375) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:02 am

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Btw BuJaber do you think your claim will add anything to the discussion
My understanding is you've basically claimed vt-esque role like compulsive visitor
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #376) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:12 am

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I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MASTINA/MATHDINO WERE PLANNING TO TAKE OVER

ACRYON, ALMOST50 IS EVIL

FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE TOWN ARE EVIL
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Post Post #2047 (isolation #377) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:05 am

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here we go

1. We have 2 opportunities to lynch one scum today outside of the roles relevant to the night plan.

2. It's hard for me to accept the idea that you're this delusional to the point of still assuming you could possibly be nightkilled. Why would scum ever want to kill you over the 3 protectives and 3 investigatives?

3. No one seems confused except you and acryon tbh. The plan works. Like, this isn't even a misrep. People just agreed to the plan and that's that.

4. Yeah, that messes up the crossblocking of mastina/Beefster.
Recall that I made a list of potential candidates for the strongman. They are as follows:
acryon: Literally claimed Captain Strong
A50: Ascetic strongman is a role I've seen before.
Bujaber: Which would make him a lying liar
IB: Which would assume a crazy role so this is only lightly possible.
N_M: Meaning he's lying about motion detecting acryon.
the worst: Who is unclaimed.

So who here is the strongman? Because I'm trying to lynch the 2 most likely candidates.
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Post Post #2049 (isolation #378) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:23 am

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Yes, scum are going to kill the person that is most likely getting lynched at some point this game.

Sensible, sensible.
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Post Post #2051 (isolation #379) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:32 am

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acryon I think could be a 1-shot Gladiator Strongman, yes. It fits his flavourclaim better than it fits anyone else's.

All I've shown is that there must be scum in {acryon, A50, Bujaber, IB, N_M, the worst}.

So pick a narrative and stick to it. You're succumbing to the same flaws acryon is. You're attacking my general view of the gamestate without countering with a specific viewpoint.

Who's the strongman in that group then?
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Post Post #2053 (isolation #380) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:34 am

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@Mod: Is it possible that a backup JOAT would receive different abilities than a hypothetical original JOAT?

I prefer not to answer this question.
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Post Post #2055 (isolation #381) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:36 am

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So you're suggesting there isn't a strongman and that mastina roleblocked me, correct?
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Post Post #2057 (isolation #382) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:42 am

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Under that conclusion, as long as we lynch scum, Beefster's jailkeep will tie up mastina tonight, and they won't be able to strongman kill.

Who am I tunnel-visioning? I've had a scumread on A50 for the majority of the game, and he's yet to do anything particularly pro-town or townreadable.

Who have I treated as confirmed town?
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Post Post #2059 (isolation #383) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:45 am

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acryon and Almost50 have no reasonable concrete views of the gamestate beyond "fuck mastina, she's scum".

And no night action plan for how to deal with the aftermath.
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Post Post #2062 (isolation #384) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:54 am

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STOP TALKING IN GENERALITIES.

Point out the specific flaws in this plan or you have no legs to stand on.

Who SPECIFICALLY am I treating as confirmed town?

What SPECIFIC flaws does this create with the night plan?
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #385) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:05 am

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The fuck have you done to try to bait the NK? You were a non-presence for basically all of D1. Why would scum have ever shot you over Iconeum?
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #386) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:21 am

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Quote the posts in which you were trying to bait the NK. Stop with the sarcasm.
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Post Post #2068 (isolation #387) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:31 am

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Re: Beefster/mastina: If we lynch one of them and that person flips town, nothing stops the remaining one from killing IB or an investigative. We may get a scum lynch tomorrow, but then we're back to square one. My goal is to prevent a NK altogether.

Re: Kthx: So you still think Kthx is scum?

Re: Not_Mafia: He's not confirmed town. In fact he's more than likely scum. That's why I'm having Kthx follow him tonight.

Re: the worst: You disagree with this townread?
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Post Post #2074 (isolation #388) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:57 am

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In post 2072, Almost50 wrote:I thought the whole plan was to get TWO LYNCHES TODAY. That means IB's ability will be activated today, so why would they ever be shot tonight and why would you even care?
acryon has been campaigning for not using the ability today, which you don't really seem to give a shit about. I'm partially responding to you guys as a unit, so I guess I mixed things up.

Lynching Beefster/mastina in sequence does nothing to prevent the nightkill tonight though. It's still unclear who the rest of the scum are in that situation, and the only abilities we have at night to help determine that are Kthx's Follower and N_M's Motion Detector, either of whom might be scum.

Yes, the goal is to get a scum lynch today, but lynching the scum in Beefster/mastina puts us in a very bad spot tomorrow.
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #389) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:06 am

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Lynching Beefster/mastina in succession guarantees scum kill one of {the worst, Kthxbye, Not_Mafia, Mathdino (if I get lucky)}.

I don't understand how that's okay with you.
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #390) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:12 am

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that sounds like a hilariously bad idea if beefster is scum rather than mastina
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #391) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:22 am

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Votecount 2.1

Carrot and Stick(3)
~ (108), (100), (99)

acryon(3)
~ (198), (102), (90)
Not_Mafia(2)
~ (90), (33)
Almost50(2)
~ (105), (95)


Not Voting (1): InfernoBrafin(35)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-18 14:15:00)
MOD REMINDERSCarrot and Stick needs a prod. The last post was at: 3/6/2018 1:06:00 AM which was 2 days 14 hours 14 minutes 40 seconds ago.

IB should start the double day when they get back. Idk if that'll reset the VC.
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #392) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:00 am

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OK can we lynch acryon now
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #393) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:02 am

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In post 2090, Mathdino wrote:OK can we lynch mastina now
Better for you, acryon?
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #394) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:06 am

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In post 2095, Kthxbye wrote:y so opposed to your lynch?
This is one of the most unintentionally funny posts I've ever seen
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Post Post #2102 (isolation #395) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:16 am

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I guarantee we lynch between A50 and mastina after this, the worst
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Post Post #2105 (isolation #396) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:20 am

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Kthx and the worst can you guys please lynch acryon so we can get on with the day
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #397) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:23 am

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Is there anyone else that you can also check?
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Post Post #2111 (isolation #398) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:27 am

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I think a check on BuJaber or Marangal would be ideal
I assume he would need to not perform a night action?
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Post Post #2115 (isolation #399) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:38 am

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Bus theory is consistent
We really need this flip to gamesolve tbh
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