VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:21 pm

In post 2864, Reasonably Rational wrote:I wanna play an actual cooperative game with all of you.

-Cerb

What are the rules

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:25 pm

OH
Just hit me up whenever I like playing games.

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:48 pm

Are you fucking kidding me?

And this is fucking town to you beebitch
Fucking really?

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:57 pm

VOTE: Shining Dreamers
I am not unvoting this slot until it fucking dies.
Nor am I letting Taly do so.

Every post mastina has written is quite literally a scumpost, I could explain that in depth, and maybe I might if you people keep on insisting that mastina is town for god knows what fucking reason.

But mastina is not town.
She knows the answers,
She knows everyone's alignment
She is blatantly playing towards her agenda.

Like
It is LITTERALLY to this girl's mission to make every post beebitch writes as a scumpost.
It is LITTERALLY to this girl's mission to make every post I write as a scumpost
There is no natural evaluation here

Can Gamma or nancy be scum?
Fuck yeah and they probably are.

But I do not care mastina has made me so angry that I will make sure that she dies at some point.

And MathBlade she is not fucking town you are not talking me out of this she is not town nothing she has written this whole fucking game is town

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:01 pm

Okay yeah I'm DEFINITELY not sleeping with this on my fucking mind especially after the fact that I literally almost took my steam controller and broke it.

It is still in tact but YOU GET THE FUCKING POINT ACROSS

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:04 pm

AND IF NEED BE I WILL STAY UP ALL FUCKING NIGHT TO WRITE THIS FUCKING CASE
IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE ME ATLEAST 1 OR 2 HOURS BUT I DO NOT CARE
MASTINA NEEDS TO ROPE
THE DAY NEEDS TO END
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE LIE DETECTOR
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT DRIXX
OR ALLOWING CERBY TO ASK MORE GODDAM QUESTIONS

I DO NOT CARE
ALL I CARE ABOUT IS BLOOD AND A MASTINA LYNCH

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:48 pm

VOTE MASTINA THANK YOU

ALSO KNOWN AS MATHBLADE I AM FUCKING TIRED OF YOUR SHIT IT IS TIME TO SHEEP ME

NEWS ALERT

MASTINA IS A FUCKING WOLF
VOTE HER
AND FUCKING REMEMBER
DOES IT LOOK LIKE A FUCKING WOLF?
DOES IT WALK LIKE A FUCKING WOLF?
DOES IT HOWL LIKE A FUCKING WOLF?
IF SO
THEN GUESS WHAT
BIG FUCKING SURPRISE
IT IS PROBABLY
A
FUCKING
WOLF

WHO KNEW??????????????????????

　　　　　　　　　

HER READLISTS ALWAYS COME FROM SCUM

243 - YEAH, THAT'S A READLIST THAT COMES FROM A WOLF IT LOOKS WOLFY. IT LITTERALLY LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PRODUCED BY A WOLF.
AND YOU WANNA SEE SOMETHING INTERESTING?
2267 - LOOK AT HTIS
WHAT DO YOU SEE?
HEY?
WHATS THAT?
ARE THOSE READLISTS SIMILAR??????????
WHAT???????? NO WAAAY?
ITS LIKE HER READS HAVEN'T CHANGED AT ALL FROM READING

50 FUCKING PAGES

HER INTERACTIONS ALWAYS COME FROM A WOLF

HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY
YOU WANT TO KNOW ALL OF THE SLOTS SHE INTERACTED WITH THAT ARE THE MOST ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE?
LETS START WITH MINE.
YOU SEE ALL OF THE MASTINA POSTS THAT ARE ABOVE THIS CASE?
GUESS WHAT?
THEY SURE AS HELL ARE NOT NATURAL
AND THEY SURE AS HELL DO NOT LOOK LIKE THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO FIGURE OUT PEOPLE'S ALIGNMENTS.

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO LOOK LIKE?

THEY LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO IS PLAYING EXTREMELY OBVIOUSLY WITH AN AGENDA.

HEY HEY HEY
YOU WANNA KNOW WHO WRITES 1678?
YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY FUCKING LOOK LIKE?

THEY LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO IS PLAYING EXTREMELY OBVIOUSLY WITH A FUCKING AGENDA.

HELL, EVEN THE POST WHERE THEY SAID THEY WERE "COUNTERCLAIMING" ME SOUNDS FAKE AS FUCK

BUT WAIT
THERE'S FUCKING MORE
LET'S TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE SHIT THEY SLAMMED AGAINST BEEBOY
224 399 1682 1725 1742
THIS IS LITTERALLY HOW YOU SPEW SOMEONE ASK TOWN
HEY HEY HEY
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO WRITES THESE POSTS?
WHO WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY FUCKING LOOK LIKE?

THEY LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO IS PLAYING EXTREMELY OBVIOUSLY WITH A FUCKING AGENDA.

BUT WAIT
THERE'S MORE

I'M NOT GOING TO GO GRAB INDIVIDUAL POSTS
BUT HOW THEY TALK ABOUT CHARA?
I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT
AND THEY ARE LITERALLY SPEWING CHARA AS TOWN JUST BY HOW THEY ARE INTERACTING WITH HER
AND IT JUST LOOKS
SO FUCKING OBVIOUS TO ME.

　　　　　　　　　

BRING UP MECHANICS TO "PROVE" THAT BEE AND RR ARE SCUM.

1736 IS THE MOST MAJOR ONE HERE.
APPARENTLY, ACCORDING TO TOWN!MASTINA
TALKING ABOUT PLANES IS A SCUMTELL BECAUSE ONLY HER "SCUMREADS" ARE DOING IT.
LIKE, THIS IS SUCH A BIG FUCKING REACH.
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO DOES SAYS THIS SHIT AND PUSHES IT AS "SCUMMY"

SOMEONE WHO IS PLAYING WITH A FUCKING AGENDA

YUME'S PLAY CAN BE FUCKING WOLFY TOO

LIKE
YUME HAS APPARENTLY SAID THAT I AM SCUM BECAUSE I SCUMREAD HER SLOT AND THAT I WOULDN'T DO THAT AS TOWN
LIKE THAT IS A BAD ASSUMPTION IN GENERAL?
BECAUSE IT ASSUMES THAT PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS PLAY THE SAME.
AND THAT IS WRONG.

NOT TO MENTION SHE BUILT UP THIS IMMAGINARY "FEAR" THAT I "FEAR" AND "AM AFRAID" OF MASTINA SO I WILL BUILD UP A PRE-DETERMINED SCUMREAD JUST TO LYNCH THEM.
AND AT THAT POINT, WHY EVEN FUCKING BOTHER?
IF I AM SCUM, I HAVE A FUCKING NIGHT KILL.
I WOULD JUST SHOOT MASTINA IF WAS SO GOD DAM AFRAID.

BUT I'M NOT AFRAID OF A PERSON WHO LITTERALLY MISREADS ME EXCEPT FOR WHEN I LITERALLY CLAIM NEUTRAL SURVIVOR AS TOWN
AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT AFRAID OF YUME

OF ALL FUCKING PEOPLE

YUME
THINKS I AM SCARED OF HER?

LIKE YUME'S POSTS
YOU KNOW
THE ONES THAT SHE ACTUALLY WROTE
ARE HER PLAYING WITH AN AGNEDA.
I'M SORRY BUT SHE'S JUST SCUM.

　　　　　　　　　

PLEASE KILL MASTINA

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Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:54 pm

In post 2891, Alisae wrote:ALSO
IF MASTINA ACTUALLY FLIPS TOWN
IF THAT UNIVERSE SOMEHOW MAGICALLY EXISTS
THEN GUESS WHAT
THEN SHE FUCKING DESERVED IT BECAUSE HER PLAY HERE IS FUCKING TERRIBLE
HER READS ARE TERRIBLE
EVERYTHING ABOUT HER PLAY HERE IS TERRIBLE.

GOOD NIGHT
VOTE MASTINA
THANK YOU
HAVE A NICE FUCKING DAY.

picking this up
and then going to bed.

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:30 pm

I can't sleep
It's mastina's fault
She did this to me.

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:33 pm

In post 2903, Alisae wrote:Yes please

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:38 pm

This is...
Surprisingly helpful
And calming
And smoothing

Thank you.

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:04 pm

One more thing before I go

Icon - extremely underwhelming
MathBlade - I am going to start breaking things and posting pictures of the results.
mastina - Scumclaimed the whole god dam game
Chara - Town BUT FUCKING USE YOUR VOTES AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME
Baku - who?
Bee - Playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Creature - I cannot get mad at Creature I just can't
Titus - MathBlade's debate buddy. Looks like a wolf but occams says town.
Kiana - Also MathBlade's debate buddy except she tried to calm me down. Looks like a mini wolf!Titus but occams says town.
A50 - I hurt his pride apparently
RR - Sadist that wants to drag on the day for as long as possible.
Snarky - Lie Detector that won't Lie Detect things.
Gamma - Is probably just a wolf tbh
Taly - Look at his discord avi. Nuff said.
Skyburd - Dedicated mislynch.
Micc - had an obvscum Taly push
nancy - said hi did nothing else
Venmar - atleast we're town together
Dunnstral - fucking lol

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:04 pm

In post 2909, OnTheMark wrote:I cannot read the last page. Someone catch me up on what it says? Without the caps?

yeah it says vote mastina

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:06 pm

It says it in a nice big bolded font as well!

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:07 pm

You cannot miss it.

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:10 pm

EYE PROBLEMS

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:12 pm

I'm going to sleep

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:46 am

In post 2763, baku and munna wrote:IM NOT IT A HOOD

Cool. Didn't think you were.

I just literally need a translator for ALL of

OnTheMark's

posts.

In post 2776, OnTheMark wrote:@Alisae/Taly that’s a towntell
If nancy was scum she’d have just asked her buddies.

Why is this the only thing in the game that you're taking at face value?

In post 2779, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2762, Purple Heart wrote:
In post 2758, Gamma Emerald wrote: I only voted Iconeum halfway through, and I haven't seen a reason to leave

.____.

I starting to see what
Maid Cafe
and
Alisae
saw in the fact that you're being pretty vague and not open much at all.

Why haven't you replied to
Iconeum
? He's posted multiple times and you haven't engaged. I highly doubt, with 16 players other than yourself, and with this much to read in the game; that's your only scumread, or the only person worth pushing.
What did I miss of his?

....Any possible post he's had since your vote on him about 1500 posts ago.

I'm still mentally voting you.

In post 2779, Gamma Emerald wrote: Um I did respond by saying I didn't really have a good counter? Like on the surface it's a decent case but I myself feel like it's not accurate.

If you disagree, then say something about it.

Seriously, why am I coaching you? Do I have to elaborate on why it's anti-town to

NOT

respond to a wagon,

ESPECIALLY

if the person in question IS actually town?

The only thing I'm taking away from this is that you skimmed through

Micc's

ISO or something, and did vague follow-up posts about your reads.

In post 2799, OnTheMark wrote:Oh and FYI I think those Creatures belong to scum.

The white ones.

Just a hunch.

Self-Reminder to wagon the shit out of this if both of us make it to D2.

In post 2810, OnTheMark wrote:I would think removal of Creatures is town aligned. But what do I know?

To be honest, I don't know what you know.

Except for the fact that literally almost this entire dayphase, you've been creating dichotomies and discredited anyone's differing reads.

Hell, I even wrote it off as playstyle because I don't know what else you're doing.

In post 2811, Gamma Emerald wrote:The ability to remove a creature might actually be a spell card, I think I remember seeing that somewhere that there are cards that let you send a creature back to its owner, maybe not for mtg but I feel like even if so it would be similar across trading card games
PEdit: OTM confirms my suspicions

What suspicions? What could you POSSIBLY have other than an Iconeum scumread?

In post 2825, OnTheMark wrote:You claimed Miller. Your replacement rescinded.

1)

If you're talking about

"Alisae's"

replacement, then it's me. Hi.

2)

And if you ARE referring to me; then I don't know what you're talking about here.

Chara

fakeclaimed Miller and my claim was pretty clear in 263.

In post 2862, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2861, Maid Cafe wrote:Me, RR, Alisae, Dunnstral, MathBlade, Venmar, Bronya Zaychik
(I am explicitly leaving chara out since we shouldn't stack votes openly)

There roll a dice in that pool take out anyone you don't like but keep the pool big.
Roughly what I think we should do if we are making suggestions.

~B
Take me out please.
Everyone thinks I am an idiot. The rest of the list I am okay with.

I don't think you're an idiot at all. Quite the opposite, actually.

That's why I'm beginning to rethink my read on you.

In post 2879, Shining Dreamers wrote:
In post 1288, Venmar wrote:oh i was just referring to the non-stop altslips being done by everyone
EXCUSE me.
My 'altslips' were because the account wasn't actually active; it was impossible to post on the right account at the time.
If I had trouble posting on mastina in a game I was playing as that account, you can bet your ass I'd post on mastin2 or some well-known hydra account or the like, since I'm gonna play and not wait for the stupid activation.

..............

You can be less overt in ignoring my posts 1869 - 2109 - 2281 - 2309 - 2520 - 2748 that have ANY mention of direct questioning to you.

Honestly, I don't care whether it's

Yume

or

Mastina

who responds to me at this point, I cannot see town doing this.

In post 2879, Shining Dreamers wrote:Though that does remind me.
Spoiler: mastina posts, pre-hydra
In post 5, mastina wrote:Btw,

-Hydra isn't activated yet, but inevitably-it'll-be-Aristophanes doesn't take long to activate hydras, but at the moment can't post within it for this game.

-For the most part, I'm intending to let Yume drive. I have a very, very, VERY bad tendency when I hydra with players to more or less smother them out--yet I'm only in this game because Yume was kind enough to offer me the chance to hydra, so at all costs I want to avoid that. The IDEA is to let her do her own thing and to only do my thing when it doesn't interfere with her thing and/or when she specifically wants/needs me to do my thing (e.g. needing feedback). I don't intend to slack off, but I don't intend to rob her of her chance to play.

In other words,
No Worries, For those who want a Rest from me; you'll get that during every Day phase.
In post 9, mastina wrote:Oh, also.
I think this is important to claim.

NOBODY CAST ANY VOTES UNTIL OUR HYDRA HAS HAD A CHANCE TO CAST VOTES.

We have a very, very strong ability which has a very, very specific trigger--and every time a player votes before we use this, the ability becomes weaker.
Go ahead and FoS all you want, but for the duration of the time we are alive, this will apply at the beginning of every day phase.
In post 11, mastina wrote:Oh.

Orrrrrr...our ability could be ridiculously, ridiculously week of the mod correction means anything.
Disregard my message then.
In post 12, mastina wrote:(THIS IS WHY WORDING IN ROLE PMS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE MY INTERPRETATION OF THE ROLE WAS A GAMEBREAKINGLY POWERFUL ABILITY AND YET V IS TELLING ME HE MEANT SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT WORDING. /rant )
In post 15, mastina wrote:
In post 14, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also, mastina, is it a rule that you HAVE to start every game making some claim about your role?
-Cerb
Only in a Varsoon game.

I never actually quoted them before now.

In post 1295, Alisae wrote:
I AM JUST ANNOUNCING THAT I AM TOWN DON'T MIND ME.
Sorry, but I counterclaim. I sincerely doubt you are town given that I am town.

It's taken you several hundred posts to move a vote on our slot, but this entire time you've been saying lynch us, and dismissing my points of engagement to you.

Did it take you this long to commit to a push on us because you KNOW we're town?

In post 2881, Shining Dreamers wrote:
In post 1344, Alisae wrote:
In post 1297, Alisae wrote:Also @Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum tell me where to vote.
So this is 100% a scum post.

The question isn't whether Alisae is scum.

The question is whether this is Alisae talking to a scumbuddy openly (Maid Cafe is scum) or Alisae blatantly buddying the FUCK out of bee who is the person that above all others Alisae as scum would be aiming to pocket here (Maid Cafe is town).

Surprisingly enough--I'd actually buy the latter as more likely.

This ENTIRE reasoning IGNORES ME.

In post 2883, Shining Dreamers wrote:
In post 1388, Almost50 wrote:Did Creature disappear or did you guys post a whole lot in a smal amount of time?
The answer is yes.

In post 1393, Alisae wrote:Thats not what makes me concerned.
What does make me concerned is that during the day, Micc can steal mana from people.
Say he makes me lose all of the mana I gain during the day and I had 3 mana.
He then gains 3 mana.

I probably fucked up in the first place by claiming I copied Micc but oh well.
If he's scum, now he's forced to target a scummy person and we can leash that.

Also if anyone wants to know why I targetted Micc, I targetted Micc because when I ISO'd him, his push on my predecessor looked really scummy to me. He was basicly pushing a lot of "facts" and it didn't really come across as a read. It felt like something that was really easy to justify a push off of.

Not to mention I feel like the strength of the read given how far the day has progressed is unnaturally strong.
Like, I read it and I am concerned about how he was able to form a read of that strength so early. It makes me feel like he already has all of the answers already.

Plus, 703 is actually bad imo. I disagree with claiming to spur discussion, but that IS a town motivated thought of wanting people to talk. And it completely feels like he's not even attempting to analyze Taly's motivation. Like, what does scum!Taly have from claiming that besides towncred? Why would scum!Taly claim it in the first place? Like, it doesn't make sense for him to claim that as scum at all imo.

The whole read to me feels unnatural and agenda based so...
VOTE: Alisae

ALISAE IS IN A HYDRA WITH ME.

I AM TALY.

WE ARE PURPLE HEART.

HELLO. THANKS FOR SAYING ALISAE IS SCUM FOR DEFENDING OUR SLOT.

In post 2884, Shining Dreamers wrote:
In post 1413, Alisae wrote:I have never seen so many terrible mastina posts
I have never faced scum!mastina
I think this might be scum!mastina
I have never seen so many terrible Alisae posts
I have never faced scum!Alisae
I think this might be scum!Alisae

Btw should prolly stop here for the night; I still have to eat and it's almost midnight, the time I should be going to bed and it does take me time to eat.

Stopping at 58.

You're only halfway in the game?

I... I don't believe this. You're in a hydra. You can pose questions. Why would you even post WITHOUT trying to fully review the thread.

You're focused entirely on

Maid Cafe

and

Purple Heart (us)

, and it doesn't sense anymore.

I didn't get the

Skybird

push either.

In post 2906, Bronya Zaychik wrote:
In post 2903, Alisae wrote:Yes please

Hope this helps.

Titus/Kiana.

I need a video too D:

In post 2924, Chara wrote:actually not sure how i managed to get behind here, when i thought i was reading every page. certainly an impressive pace. :<

i'm also scumreading mastina (i think she's firmly in her scum meta right now, though she could certainly still be town) but Alisae's play is giving me some worried vibes and i'm having a hard time managing to read em.

You know, you CAN actually engage discuss ANYTHING with me if you have doubts with the Alisae slot.

Because, well, I don't mean to out people but like....

We're in a hydra together.

Try to play less safe if you're town.

~~~

I can waste more time saying why my scumread on Shining Dreamers is restrengthened; but I feel like I'm just an extra voice right now.

VOTE: Shining Dreamers

I know

Alisae

already voted. This is to make myself feel a little better.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:54 am

RR, Venmar, MC, Bronya, A50, Sky

Please help my sanity.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:01 am

omg, even

Creature

.

he could do something for a change.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:57 am

In reflection, 2927 is an unnecessarily charged post and I redact its intensity.

I'm not going to let myself get fumed or seem aggressive to that extent.

I'm not even angry, I just typically hold strong convictions whenever I'm not waffling or uncertain about something.

I also take interest and a liking in this game quite a bit, and I want to provide a good atmosphere to reflect that.

However, the sentiments and thoughts in that post still stand.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:39 am

In post 2941, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2939, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh.

I should probably also mention my distaste for Icon's plans as laid out. Lynch 1 strong player, if they flip town, lynch another strong player that's guiding the game, and then if they flip town, lynch *another* strong/vocal player.

...

Don't care so much about my place in that set of plans, but the SDvPH=TvS with such certainty that he wants to just lynch through the two of them certainly isn't acceptable.

-Cerb
@Cerb what do you make of the Taly head of the hydra doing the same?
Lynch Shining a strong player, lynch me, a strong player.

Did I say I want to lynch you? I'm pointing out things that make me question my read on you. Don't twist it.

I need to leave. I have class. I'll be back later.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:28 am

In post 3111, Taly wrote:
CLAIM:
Alisae
and I had our roles CHANGED. We have this odd dual role:

Pacificist: ((What We Don't Have Right Now))
- You must sign ALL hydra posts. EACH hydra head has their OWN vote.

This happening confirms that multiple players, at least, have a Pacifist/Genocide route card that is most likely unique.

Maid Cafe,

will this change affect the plans that you've stated? in 339

Shiro wrote:
In post 3495, Bronya Zaychik wrote:
In post 3492, baku and munna wrote:
In post 3476, Bronya Zaychik wrote:For the most part, I was looking forward to Shiro playing the game, but with Shiro absent I have no personal reasons to keep the slot alive.
But but but I am here

Maybe I should start signing
Shiro! I missed you! Where have you been!

I don't like random midgets. I want more cute Shiros. Please be engaged in the game and provide us with your input.

~Kiana
I am still mostly lost, I do have a few town reads however.

Is this just an altslip, or is this because of a role shift?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:29 am

3329

post mess-up

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:38 am

I'M FREE
BEE WHERE AM I VOTING

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:42 am

Taly is at a D&D session
But thank you

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:54 am

Oh right I Have to fucking sign
man thats a new thing I haven't done in ages

but yeah last two posts were obvali

Chara did ur puzzle it took me 4 minutes
~Ali

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:41 pm

VOTE: Gamma
~Ali

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:24 pm

In post 3545, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think this is the case too, I recall SU2 had its own balancer as well

And the point of this post was...?

Read 3496 and come back to me.

Purple Heart wrote:VOTE: Gamma
~Ali

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I don't like quickvotes either, because part of me wants to see how Pacifist effects other roles. But after more thought, I'm having difficulty trying to see how this is town. Furthermore,

Alisae

and I have similar general reads, and I'm taking advantage of having a full vote again.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:02 pm

Bronya Zaychik wrote:
In post 3562, Maid Cafe wrote:@Titus/Kiana do you have a role based reason to be in a hood / know about them?
Or is this simply a scum hunting thing.

~B
Both.

@Purple Heart, Do y'all have a PT?

~Titus

Why?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:00 pm

BY THE WAY
IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THE NEW OP PICTURE
YOU WILL SEE THIS

ON THE VERY BOTTOM, THERE IS A DANTE, NOT TO MENTION IT SAYS "FEATURING DANTE FROM THE DEVIL MAY CRY SERIES"
DANTE IS IN THE GAME

Spoiler: HERE IS EVEN MORE PROOF THAT DANTE IS IN THE GAME

DANTE IS IN THIS GAME.

Purple Heart · Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:39 am

In post 3565, Gamma Emerald wrote:Alright I have been thinking about this since the route swap and I think this is good to claim: if I get lynched today I do not die, no nightkill happens tonight, and the theme doesn't change at the end of the night. In addition the route will not change cos no deaths. I'm thinking we actually lynch me today, get some info during the night, then come at it with no theme change, thus keeping people like RR engaged.
Any objections? btw if you'd like me to claim flavor or geno ability I'm okay with that as well

Good to see I'm invisible.

1)

Did you see 3561?

2)

Why are you resigning to be lynched?

3)

What is the benefit of staying in this theme?

Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3576, Purple Heart wrote:BY THE WAY
IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THE NEW OP PICTURE
YOU WILL SEE THIS

ON THE VERY BOTTOM, THERE IS A DANTE, NOT TO MENTION IT SAYS "FEATURING DANTE FROM THE DEVIL MAY CRY SERIES"
DANTE IS IN THE GAME

Spoiler: HERE IS EVEN MORE PROOF THAT DANTE IS IN THE GAME

DANTE IS IN THIS GAME.
How is this relevant

How have your posts been relevant lately?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:48 am

In post 3573, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3571, Bronya Zaychik wrote:I cannot understand why A50 is so upset over losing a vote. Who cares? I guess I'll never understand these people.
My God! People keep going on and on in circles yet never realizing what the whole point is!

I .. am ... NNNNNOOOOOOTTTTTTT .... upset ... over ... LOSING .. the vote

I .. am .. upset ... over ... being accused .... of being ... A LIAR

Now let's drop the subject since it's irrelevant at this point.

I don't think you are lying, I've never personally thought you were lying. But like my claim in 3111, I confirmed the change to my vote by placing one. 3217 I was pointing out the validity of my claim, not because it was invalid, but because it keeps people on track with claims and abilities that happen to someone.

That's what I wanted to see you do in 3368

((Which you did in so it would reaffirmed my townlean read on you.))

I want to communicate with you, and I'm losing the point in discussing the vote-steal unless someone outright claims they did it.

Also, assuming you can vote now due to the shift to Pacifist, do you have any thoughts revolving around

Gamma's

wagon?

Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3579, Purple Heart wrote:
In post 3565, Gamma Emerald wrote:Alright I have been thinking about this since the route swap and I think this is good to claim: if I get lynched today I do not die, no nightkill happens tonight, and the theme doesn't change at the end of the night. In addition the route will not change cos no deaths. I'm thinking we actually lynch me today, get some info during the night, then come at it with no theme change, thus keeping people like RR engaged.
Any objections? btw if you'd like me to claim flavor or geno ability I'm okay with that as well
Good to see I'm invisible.

1)
Did you see 3561?

2)
Why are you resigning to be lynched?

3)
What is the benefit of staying in this theme?
3561 was pointless. I'm not resigning to being lynched per se, I don't die upon my lynch. The benefit of staying in this theme is people like RR don't get disengaged from another theme swap.

._____.

1)

Really? 3561 is irrelevant, but I voted you, and explicitly pointed out my view on you, and referenced to a post I questioned you on? 3496

...Which you didn't respond in the first place. So thanks for the dodge there.

2)

If you're not resigning to a lynch, then what's the point of 3565? You literally created a plan that involved you being lynched, unless I'm horribly misreading something.

Also, what do you mean

"I don't die upon my lynch"

?

3)

Is

ReasonablyRational's

and a few other people's issue with the theme-swap

truly

a good reason to stay in one...? Plus, what makes you think scum wouldn't NK someone?

Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3580, Reasonably Rational wrote:What Taly said.

The real annoying thing isn't that the theme changed. It's that I LIKED WHAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE, AND NOW IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I don't want this fucking theme. Undertale is a great game, but that doesn't make up for losing out on what I was actually enjoying.

Basically, what you're proposing is trapping us in this hell for longer, which is something I don't see a benefit to.

-Cerb
Well if that's the case then I'm not a good lynch, shoot.

So, your plan to be lynched relies on one person's opinion?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:01 pm

In post 3589, Gamma Emerald wrote:1) Okay you link in 3561 was broken, sorry. Will look over the post
2) I would get lynched, yes, but I wouldn't be dead. Basically I'm a one shot lynchproof with some frills. And I don't support the plan anymore.
3) I know scum won't be able to NK because it says so in my role description. It's basically a soft reset plus info.

The plan was based on people not liking theme shifts, but since it's the particular theme it's not a good plan anymore.
PEdit: Cerb nails it

Why didn't you claim this at the start of the dayphase?

Furthermore, just to clarify, this one-shot lynchproof does not carry on to the next dayphase if the theme and roles change, correct?

And what's odd about

Bronya+Mark

interaction?

In post 3638, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3587, Purple Heart wrote:Also, assuming you can vote now due to the shift to Pacifist, do you have any thoughts revolving around Gamma's wagon?
I wanted Gamma lynched and was voting him on D1, but now he claims he is unlynchable and I'm not sure if we should test it or not. I'll let you guys decide o the proper course of action and sheep the majority.

Other than

Gamma

, has anyone caught your attention?

In post 3647, Skybird wrote:I don't want to lynch Gamma today because I don't want to stay in this plane a second day. That said, I'm not sure at the moment who I think should be lynched.

This is me prompting you to make a readslist.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:02 am

Consider my vote retroactively on Venmar, don't really want to put the vote there because we're Bee's triple voter.

In post 3662, Skybird wrote:This is where I am at the moment.

Town

Skybird
Iconeum - above IC
RR - There's no way scum RR is this upset about the planes changing flavor
Bronya Zaychik - working to solve the game

Null

Maid Cafe - Didn't like them stating they have 2 guilties and then backing down, other questionable things D1
Chara - pulling way too many questionable plays, the latest switching the path from Genocide to Pacifist
SnarkySnowman - haven't seen enough from him to know
Creature - ditto Snarky reason
Baku and Munna - I just flat out don't have a read on them, something I will be looking in to

Leaning Scum

Purple Heart - didn't like the Alisae head's AtE to lynch SD
Gamma - Knowing the Pacifist path favors scum, his claim seems like a dream come true for a scum, then I think why would he claim it. I think since he wouldn't actually die, his alignment would not be revealed and by claiming he looks more town.

Likely Scum

Nancy Drew - slot has done nothing, Micc's play was questionable
Dunnstral - don't see much if any game solving
Almost50 - didn't like the hammer on SD
Venmar - based on Bronya's PT thing

Your TRs are fine.
Chara is kinda just town. Like when they were talking to bee over my slot, they seemed really hard to try to not tunnel but they were in fact tunneling but either way they are trying to solve the game and were trying to evaluate my slot, so they are just obvious town.

Same thing with Beeboy. Not to mention this is coming from someone who can confidently read both heads. Like bee is busy, and he would use "playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2" or "Studying" to avoid the game for massive amounts the time.
Maki, their approach to how their operating their hydra with Bee is exactly identical to here. Claire let me basicly do whatever I wanted and she would pop in whenever I needed her to cover for me.
Like, there is no doubt in my mind this slot is town.

Now, let's take a lesson from this.
I can read both Beeboy and Claire.
My read is relatively naunced, strong, and has good reasons to back it up.
You are struggling to read that slot.

So you should trust my strengths, because I am either
A. Scum with Maid Cafe
B. A wolf who knows Maid Cafe is town.
C. Town who is likely right on Maid Cafe.

So ask if your TRs if you can rule both of us out.
If you think we're not the scumteam, then you should atleast trust my read on Maid Cafe.

Snarky is just PoE town to me?

Creature on the otherhand, the thing about Creature is he has a very defining meta.
I could link you multiple scumgames of Creature's, but I don't think I need to.
Scum!Creature would have an insanely lower amount of posts during the day.
Its LIKELY that Creature is just town based on D1.
In fact, I am going to give you the Creature reading Checklist
(I need to save this somewhere)

Is Creature town checklist if looking at the amount of posts they have doesn't satisfy you wrote:Is Creature Active?
Is Creature doing his usual stream of consciousness posting?
Is Creature confident in his towniness?
Is Creature taking the easy outs on his reads (IE Obvtown town, lynchbaits consensus scum)?

If the answer to the first 3 is yes and the last 1 is no, then he is town.

D2 the sudden drop in activity kinda urks me, so if it was like F5 with 1 wolf left or F7 with two wolfs left
(basicly day before LyLo with a low amount of wolfs remaining)
then go ahead and lynch it.
Otherwise it'll make your life easier if you just mark it as town.

Taly might interact with your readlist some more, but this is all I have to say for now. Again here are my own reads.

The townies that are going to win the game, AKA the perfect townbloc you could ever ask for in a game.

Me
Bee/Claire
Titus/Kiana
Chara

People that need to be in the above category because they're town they just need to be in sync

Skyburd
RR

Town but I have 0 idea what his stances are so it's kinda just doing it's own thing

Icon

The leftovers townies

(IE, they aren't scum because people are way more scummier then them, and scum are pushing them)
Snarky
Dunn

Town but lynch before LyLo with a low remaining amount of wolves alive (1-2) if inactivity continues

Creature

And the rest of the game aka wolves

Gamma (Obvious)
Baku (Trust in Bee, don't think its scum with Gamma that doesn't make any sense with pre-flip associations)
Venmar (I was townreading this, but I could completely buy Venmar being the powerwolf/deepwolf of the team)
Nancy (Obvious)
A50 (The last wolf if Creature isn't)

tbh in my mind I either like the appeal of {Creature, Venmar, Gamma, nancy} I think that's the team that works with the gamestate the most(I can link multiple points where Gamma was fos'ing nancy but there was no real "push" there its what you call a bus.
Venmar has been defending both hard defending Gamma and nancy.
Creature TR'd nancy
Micc's ISO looked like he was buddies with Gamma off the top of my head?)

If Creature isn't the wolf feel free to splash A50 in. If Gamma isn't the wolf feel free to splash Baku in.

But yeah, game solved ez.

~Ali

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

I'm checking for cross votes right now btw.

Venmar voted Gamma once extremely early in the game (d1) then dropped it then again now with a "I'm just going to sheep vote." (d2)
He also votes Baku once.

Creature voted none of the scumreads I have and are presented.

Gamma slot voted A50 727
Unvotes in 926
and thats it

Micc slot voted none of the scumreads I have presented

A50 voted Gamma in 2530
And thats it.

Baku has voted none of the scumreads I have presented.

I might have fucked up here when it comes to counting, but I am pretty sure I didn't.
~Ali

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:31 am

If anyone really needs an indepth description on why Venmar is a wolf, well, there really isn't a indepth description.
The reason why I am scumreading him is if you were to take his play from the PoV of a powerwolf that is aligned with Gamma and Miccslot, you kinda just see it.
A lot of the ways he's saying things sounds towny, but he is presenting the wolf possible outcome for the town.
(For example, around where I replaced in, he and Titus were getting into a fight, and he looked really good in that fight until you realize he's talking to town!Titus, then he just looks like a wolf)

The difference between his Baku vote today is that has a heart.
But his gamma vote more recently just feels empty, faked, and bussy for no real reason.
If you need the post, its 3335

--

727 the push here on A50 looks like in town. There are other reads here so we can go over those too on their buddies.
Micc - faked townlean on a buddy phrased to make it sound genuine. (Thats how that reads to me)
Venmar - This reads definitely as a read on a buddy
oh yeah, bonus ducks, their Bee and Chara reads are terrible.

The other wolfreads don't have their read explained in the post they vote in. I could find it with context but I think I presented everything for the most part to establish why I see the game as {(Creature/A50}, Gamma, nancy, Venmar} and I would like my beauty sleep.

~Ali

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:02 am

UNVOTE:
Taly may or may not bestow a present upon the thread, depending on if he is willing to do the work for it or not.
If he is I don't want the day to end until he stops giving.

~Ali

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:36 am

I'm coming in here to back

Alisae

, I don't want the day to end so quickly at the moment, and I'm going to ISO several people in extensive depth.

So it may take a day or so before I post my shit-ton of thoughts.

Skybird

, I'll probably get to you in a separate post.

For now, UNVOTE:

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:47 pm

In post 3757, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3716, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 3597, Maid Cafe wrote:I got my B&M hood at 12:50. so yeah lol.
The only motivation A50 has to claim is to cover for B&M even as town he shouldn't have claimed that.

Mark dying over {RR, MC, Purple, Chara, Bronya} is odd af and points to the guilty theory and not a coincedence.

Gamma is obvious scum and his flip points to Venmar.
B&M and A50 are just tied scum atm.

If I am wrong anywhere it's Nancy who is left.

Cerb thoughts on the team I've been at for awhile?
MC?

Why the difference between the time the hood was created for you, and for them?

-Cerb
So we have both this and MC's so called guilty on me even though they took no action? Looks pretty shady to me.
VOTE: Maid Cafe

oh look the outed wolf votes the towniest person in the game
Big shocker.

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:47 pm

Thats ali btw and so is this

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:49 pm

Skyburd are you going to read the posts I directed towards you?
Or did you already read them and just have no real obligation to respond
Because I would like to know that my posts were in fact read.
~Ali

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:53 pm

Fair fair.

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:08 pm

Pretty sure I fucked up some post numbering somewhere.

Everyone not ISO Mapped here, are either strong townreads or I do not want to sort right now.

This is how I am 'ranking' these posts:

+ working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
++ explicitly calling someone a townread
- working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
-- explicitly calling someone a scumread
= neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
== stating explicitly that a person is a null read
? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
v votes

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p9404571 >>> Kudos to this person for creating a key for ISO maps, this is an ended game by the way.

Spoiler: Baku ISO Map

Spoiler: Creature ISO Map

Spoiler: Nancy ISO Map

Spoiler: Almost50 ISO Map

Spoiler: Venmar ISO Map

Spoiler: Gamma ISO Map

Despite how strongly I want

Gamma

lynched, I do not want to waste this dayphase by lynching

Gamma

IF

his lynchproof claim is actually true, I'd rather have a theme change and pursue him then

Since there's nobody else at the moment I feel as powerfully about in my reads, and the fact that I can see a

Gamma/Venmr

scumduo

VOTE: Venmar is where I want a lynch to happen today.
Unless

Alisae

convinces me otherwise, but I feel firm about my opinions and I think this is the best lynch for the day.

I'm kind of burnt out a little, so I won't be posting heavy-content tonight and until tomorrow.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:31 pm

Cerby maybe Taly can address that but I just want a flip

~Ali

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:31 pm

I also want to play a board game right now ;~;
~Ali

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:36 pm

TABLEFLIP

And idunno just something fun I like deckbuilding games
~Ali

Purple Heart · Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:41 pm

In post 3788, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 3787, Purple Heart wrote:TABLEFLIP

And idunno just something fun I like deckbuilding games
~Ali
Gross.

Literally my least favorite game type. Pick up Tabletop Simulator, I might consider playing games some time. ^^

-Cerb

Have tabletop sim.
And honestly I'm willling to learn anything

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:53 am

In post 3792, baku and munna wrote:@alisae i didnt hood bronya because i had 0 reason to hood bronya. shiro misremembered and hadnt actually told me to hood bronya

I asked this from you?

--

In post 3796, Iconeum wrote:I'm still behind a bit with catching up, and having been sick didn't help.
My scumreads are a bit vague, but I have a fairly good feeling on town:

Iconeum, Skybird, Chara, Purple Heart, RR. I'm putting Chara in here, despite earlier scumread. I just can't see scum actually playing like that...
This is what I would call town with reasonable assurance at this point.

Why don't you have Maid Cafe and Titus/Kiana as town?

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:56 am

Also because when you want something done right, do it yourself, I'ma try to help Taly out with maps to attempt to get a whole overview of how certain slots have interacted with each other
(If you compare what Taly has done to what Plot did in KH, what Plot presented was a bit more what I wanted from Taly, but I can't really blame him since when explaining the concept I might have not explained well enough what I was looking for as well as why this needed to be done, as well as its general purpose)

~Ali

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:01 am

Updated ISO Map Key+ working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
++ explicitly calling someone a townread
- working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
-- explicitly calling someone a scumread
= neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
== stating explicitly that a person is a null read
? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
v votes
u unvotes but only if someone says who they’re unvoting because i’m lazy
☀ marks boundaries between days
✝ a gravestone to mark that a slot has died.
R marking the boundaries where a replacement occurred (both when the slot I'm ISOing was replaced and when the other player was replaced; haven't figured out a solution to this overlap yet)
_ conspicuous absences

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:53 am

Micc/Nancy drew 39 3770

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

- -v365 _-703 -711 _R--1424 =1427 -1437 +-1465 u?1521 ?1523 ?+1526 _R ☀

Chara

- +?365 _=708 _++1465 _ _R ☀_++3558 _+3762 =3770

Tibor and Lumia

- =389 _--708 -?711 -770 =787 _ _R R ☀_ _=3762

Iconeum

- _=703 _ _R ☀

Venmar

- _+708 _++1465 _R ☀

Maid Cafe

- --1424 ?=1465 =1473 _R ☀_ _=3766 ?3767 =3769

Reasonably Rational

- _=770 _++1465 _R ☀

Bronya Zaychik

- ☀_ _=3712

Almost50

- ☀ =3762

baku and munna

- ☀ =3762

Almost50

- ☀ =3762

Shining Dreamers

- =235 _ _ _R ✝

OnTheMark

- ++1465 +-1469 ?+1473 _R ☀✝

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:56 am

Small edit I am fucking tired and I included A50 twice

In post 3801, Purple Heart wrote:
Micc/Nancy drew 39 3770
Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart
- -v365 _-703 -711 _R--1424 =1427 -1437 +-1465 u?1521 ?1523 ?+1526 _R ☀

Chara
- +?365 _=708 _++1465 _ _R ☀_++3558 _+3762 =3770

Tibor and Lumia
- =389 _--708 -?711 -770 =787 _ _R R ☀_ _=3762

Iconeum
- _=703 _ _R ☀

Venmar
- _+708 _++1465 _R ☀

Maid Cafe
- --1424 ?=1465 =1473 _R ☀_ _=3766 ?3767 =3769

Reasonably Rational
- _=770 _++1465 _R ☀

Bronya Zaychik
- ☀_ _=3712

Almost50
- ☀ =3762

baku and munna
- ☀ =3762

Skybird
- ☀ =3762

Shining Dreamers
- =235 _ _ _R ✝

OnTheMark
- ++1465 +-1469 ?+1473 _R ☀✝

Taly might use a different color to establish his townbloc or whatever but the white text on black is my townbloc.

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:17 am

Whoops, I guess I messed up on the technical side of how ISO maps work... Looks more like I did in depth ISOs.

Here's what I picked up in review, I'm doing one person at a time so it's easier:

Those who are

UNDERLINED

are my townbloc at the moment

Creature 79 to 3101

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

?153 ?1628 ++1650 =1604 =1665 +1667 +1668 --3101

Maid Cafe

-79 +180 +578 +583

ReasonablyRational

+180 =1002 =1006 =1317 =2344 =2391

Bronya Zaychik

=261 =995 -?1313 =1641 =1642 =2359

Chara

+180 ?1020

SnarkySnowman

+1664

Skybird:

-v1005 -1034 -1642 ?2358 ?2435 -3083

Almost50:

=1016 -2358 =2363 -2435

Iconeum:

--1642 =2363

Micc/Nancy:

--1667 =2344 +2360

Dunn:

=2363

Baku:

=2363

Venmar

=112 +157 +177 +180 ?997 +1024 +1029 =1317

Gamma/Tibor and Lumia

=116 -154 =572 =578 +583 --997 --1667 ?==1671 ?=2391

____________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

-v1651 --1667 -1886 --2356 -2358 -2401 -2404 -2435

OnTheMark

+136 +180 ?1021

Got about 4 more at least, coming up soon.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:51 am

-_-*...

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:27 pm

In post 3805, Venmar wrote:im not reading any of that ph

In post 3807, Reasonably Rational wrote:It's the truth though. *shrug*

I'm also not reading through the ISO maps, just sayin. Well, let me rephrase: I'll read through them if you guys flip scum at some point, but not otherwise.

-Cerb

Ok
~Ali

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:15 pm

Regardless of whether

SOME PEOPLE

care, this is useful information to understand interactions pre AND post flip.

I'm going to point to posts:
3804 - This is the end-depth

Creature

ISO Map.
3782 - This is the general post where my reads on 6 people are, my most recent vote, AND how I'm ranking each post based on

OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS

.
3779 - Thanks to

Alisae

for bringing a revised/better post to point out how ISO map posts are ranked.

3817 - Also thanks so much for

Alisae

again, for having patience and responding in such a calm manner that I probably wouldn't have done...

Almost50 526 to 3649

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

+1039 ==?++1053 +2145 +2596 -2600 -2768 ☀ --3347 ++3353 +3360 +=3372 -3442 -3345 +3448 +3517

Maid Cafe

+1039 +1053 +1279 +1337 ?=1411 =1423 +2031 +2145 =2848 ☀ -3334 --3347 +3353 +3360 -3342 -3446 ==3517

ReasonablyRational

?681 ?1010 ==?+1053 1337 =1340 =+1423 =?1425 +2145 =2331 =2408 =-2600 ☀ +3353 =3446 +3517 +3638 +3649

Bronya Zaychik

=+1279 =?1289 +1337 ?-1411 =2031 +2145 ?==-2781 ☀ =3533 +3517 =3573 -3640

Chara

+1010 +1039 +1053 =1279 ?+1321 +1337 ++1340 =?1411 ++1423 +1425 +2145 +=2529 ☀ +3533 =3442 +3517

Creature

+1010 +1039 +1053 +1337 +2145 =2350 ☀ +3533

SnarkySnowman

==1337 +2145 +2600 =2768 ☀ +3533

Skybird:

-1053 --1337 --v2145 --2596 ☀ +3353 =3359 =3525

Iconeum:

+1053 +1337 ==2031 ☀

Micc/Nancy:

==1337 ☀ ==3353

Dunn:

==1337 ==2145 ☀ ==3353

Baku:

==1323 --1337 ☀ -3353 --3649

Venmar:

==1010 =1027 -1053 --1337 -1340 ☀ -3353 --3649

Tibor and Luma/Gamma:

==1323 =1388 -=1411 --2145 -2204 =2108 =2227 u--v2530 ☀ -=+3353 =3446

______________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

=680 ==1010 -==?1321 ==?1337 ?+2145 ==2596 ✝☀ --v3347 -3345

OnTheMark

+1039 +1053 =1289 +1337 =?1340 -=1411 =2031 +2145 +2600 =2606 ✝☀ +=3347 +3442

My townread on

Almost50

is soldifying after a re-review, and evaluating interactions with my other reads.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:32 pm

baku and munna 281 to 3800

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

+1940 +=?2753 ☀ +=3464 +-?3474

Maid Cafe

++281 +516 +521 +524 ++2753 ☀ ?3102 =3108] +3232 +-3464 -3472 -3474 +3722 -3792

ReasonablyRational

+281 +516 ++568 =+1228 =1268 +2753 ☀ =3136 ++3474 +3722 =3738]3738

Bronya Zaychik

==2753 +=2764 ☀ -3474 -3485 =?3491 =3273 =3738

Chara

-=281 -516 -568 --1223 -1228 -1260 -=1262 -1264 -1268 -2753 ☀ =3464 =3472 +==3474

Creature

==2753 ☀ +3474

SnarkySnowman

-==2753 ☀ ?3474

Almost50

==2753 ☀ +3474 +3607

Skybird

+1223 ?2691 +2753 ☀ -3474 =3491

Iconeum

-516 ==?1223 ?2753 ☀ +3474

Micc/Nancy

==2753 ☀ ==3474 =3792

Dunn

+2753 ☀ ==?3474

Venmar

+281 +516 ==?524 ?1264 =2666 +2753 ☀ -3337 +==3474 +3722

Tibor and Lumia/Gamma

=1222 =2658 ==-2753 ☀ ?3102 -v3113 -3474 -3673

____________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

=281 -516 -524 --1940 -2753 ✝☀

OnTheMark

-281 ==516 ++==524 =568 =?762 --v1222 -1258 =1262 ?1264 -1271 =2658 -2691 ?2753 =2759 ✝☀

Baku

, there are several slots where you've only mildly interacted with or gave thoughts about through readslist, do you have any strong reads at the moment and any clarity on the lesser interacted with slots?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:58 pm

In post 3821, Iconeum wrote:Next post that does anything is claiming unlynchable, which does nothing but distract.

Hey bud how can something we don't care about be distracting?

~Ali

Purple Heart · Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:59 pm

Also I promise you
we will not be lynching outside of {Baku, Gamma, Venmar, A50, nancy} today.
So Dunn isn't getting lynched for quite awhile.

~Ali

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:44 am

Icon can I interest you in {Baku, A50, Gamma, Venmar, nancy}?
If not I would atleast like you to provide a defense for them.

~Ali
pedit: loltaly I'll tell him to fix it.

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:00 am

Those posts are hydra slips. If you ISO the people I mapped, then the posts here are what I'm talking about.

Ugh... In either case, I'm going to fix the post links and send it back in here.

Same goes for

Almost50's

interaction map.

In post 3827, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3819, Purple Heart wrote:
baku and munna 281 to 3800
Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart
+1940 +=?2753 ☀ +=3464 +-?3474

Maid Cafe
++281 +516 +521 +524 ++2753 ☀ ?3102 =3108] +3232 +-3464 -3472 -3474 +3722 -3792

ReasonablyRational
+281 +516 ++568 =+1228 =1268 +2753 ☀ =3136 ++3474 +3722 =3738]3738

Bronya Zaychik
==2753 +=2764 ☀ -3474 -3485 =?3491 =3273 =3738

Chara
-=281 -516 -568 --1223 -1228 -1260 -=1262 -1264 -1268 -2753 ☀ =3464 =3472 +==3474

Creature
==2753 ☀ +3474

SnarkySnowman
-==2753 ☀ ?3474

Almost50
==2753 ☀ +3474 +3607

Skybird
+1223 ?2691 +2753 ☀ -3474 =3491

Iconeum
-516 ==?1223 ?2753 ☀ +3474

Micc/Nancy
==2753 ☀ ==3474 =3792

Dunn
+2753 ☀ ==?3474

Venmar
+281 +516 ==?524 ?1264 =2666 +2753 ☀ -3337 +==3474 +3722

Tibor and Lumia/Gamma
=1222 =2658 ==-2753 ☀ ?3102 -v3113 -3474 -3673

____________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers
=281 -516 -524 --1940 -2753 ✝☀

OnTheMark
-281 ==516 ++==524 =568 =?762 --v1222 -1258 =1262 ?1264 -1271 =2658 -2691 ?2753 =2759 ✝☀

Baku
, there are several slots where you've only mildly interacted with or gave thoughts about through readslist, do you have any strong reads at the moment and any clarity on the lesser interacted with slots?

~ Taly
"You are not authorized to read this topic"

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:02 am

In post 3829, Iconeum wrote:
In post 3828, Purple Heart wrote:Icon can I interest you in {Baku, A50, Gamma, Venmar, nancy}?
If not I would atleast like you to provide a defense for them.

~Ali
pedit: loltaly I'll tell him to fix it.
A50 wants to lynch inside this pool, too. I doubt scum would be calling this kind of attention to oneself over a stolen vote and everything surrounding that. Meh.

Well ofc there is one townie and I'm having Taly do maps for a reason (to understand how all of my wolf reads have been interacting at a glance).

And I am having a hard time understanding why Dunn is wolfier then these people.
I kinda think this underwhelming unimpressive play is his townplay right now.

Can you defend the other 4?
~Ali

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:12 am

OK, corrected the links.

I'm going to bleach my brain now.

Almost50 526 to 3649

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

+1039 ==?++1053 +2145 +2596 -2600 -2768 ☀ --3347 ++3353 +3360 +=3372 -3442 -3445 +3448 +3517 +3649

Maid Cafe

+1039 +1053 +1279 +1337 ?=1411 =1423 +2031 +2145 =2848 ☀ -3334 --3347 +3353 +3360 -3442 -3446 ==3517

ReasonablyRational

?681 ?1010 ==?+1053 ?1317 =1340 =+1423 =?1425 +2145 =2331 =2408 =-2600 ☀ +3353 =3446 =3533 +3517

Bronya Zaychik

=+1279 =?1289 +1337 ?-1411 =2031 +2045 ?==-2781 ☀ +3517 =3573 -3640

Chara

+1010 +1039 +1053 =1279 ?+1321 +1337 ++1340 =?1411 ++1423 +1425 +2145 +=2529 ☀ +3353 =3442 +3517

Creature

+1010 +1039 +1053 +1337 +2145 =2350 ☀ +3353

SnarkySnowman

==1337 +2145 +2600 =2768 ☀ +3353

Skybird:

-1053 --1337 --v2145 --2596 ☀ +3353 =3359 =3525

Iconeum:

+1053 +1337 ==2031 ☀ -3353

Micc/Nancy:

==1337 ☀ ==3353

Dunn:

==1337 ==2145 ☀ ==3353

Baku:

==1323 --1323 ☀ -3353 --3649

Venmar:

==1010 =1027 -1053 --1337 -1340 ☀ -3353 --3649

Tibor and Luma/Gamma:

==1323 =1388 -=1411 --2145 -2204 =2227 --v2530 ☀ -=+3353 =3446

______________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

=680 ==1010 -==?1321 ==?1337 ?+2145 ==2596 ✝☀ --v3347 -3445

OnTheMark

+1039 +1053 =1289 +1337 =?1340 -=1411 =2031 +2145 +2600 =2606 ✝☀ +3442 +=3347

~~~

baku and munna 281 to 3800

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

+1940 +=?2573 ☀ +=3464 +-?3474

Maid Cafe

++281 +516 +521 +524 ++2753 ☀ ?3102 =3108 +3232 +-3464 -3472 -3474 +3722 -3792

ReasonablyRational

+281 +516 ++568 =+1228 =1268 +2753 ☀ =3136 ++3474 +3722 =3738

Bronya Zaychik

==2753 +=2764 ☀ -3474 -3485 =3738

Chara

-=281 -516 -568 --1223 -1228 -1260 -=1262 -1264 -1268 -2753 ☀ =3464 =3472 +==3474

Creature

==2753 ☀ +3474

SnarkySnowman

-==2753 ☀ ?3474

Almost50

==2573 ☀ +3474 +3607

Skybird

+1223 ?2691 +2753 ☀ -3474 =3491

Iconeum

-516 ==?1223 ?2753 ☀ +3474

Micc/Nancy

==2753 ☀ ==3474

Dunn

+2573 ☀ ==?3474

Venmar

+281 +516 ==?524 ?1264 =2666 +2753 ☀ -3337 +==3474 +3722

Tibor and Lumia/Gamma

=1222 =2658 ==-2753 ☀ ?3102 -v3113 -3474 -3673

____________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

=281 -516 -524 --1940 -2753 ✝☀

OnTheMark

-281 ==516 ++==524 =568 =?762 --v1222 -1258 =1262 ?1264 -1271 =2658 -2691 ?2753 =2759 ✝☀

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:19 am

@Drixx/Cerby

- I have no idea what the fuck your actual stances are right now like what are your actual reads atm?
~Ali

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:29 am

In post 3836, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 3835, Purple Heart wrote:
@Drixx/Cerby
- I have no idea what the fuck your actual stances are right now like what are your actual reads atm?
~Ali
Secret.

B&M is currently mechanically probscum, or super fucking unlucky.

I haven't expressed any other positions beyond that. ^^

-Cerb

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:42 am

AlisaeTown:
Drixx/Cerby
Beeboy/Claire
Titus/Kiana
Chara
Creature
Skybird

Icon

SnarkySnowman
Dunnstral

Wolves:
Almost50
Random/Shiro

Venmar
nancy drew 39
Gamma Emerald

TalyTown:
Drixx/Cerby
Beeboy/Claire
Titus/Kiana
Creature
Chara

Skybird

Almost50
SnarkySnowman
Dunnstral
Iconeum

Wolves:
Nancy Drew 39

Random/Shiro

Gamma Emerald
Venmar

middle groundTown:

Drixx/Cerby
Beeboy/Claire
Titus/Kiana
Chara
Creature

Skybird
Iconeum

SnarkySnowman
Dunnstral

Almost50

Scum:
nancy drew 39
Random/Shiro

Gamma Emerald
Venmar

At least one head is scumreading:
Almost50

Shared reads are

bolded

.

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:55 am

The strengths of the read are different but yeah pretty much lol.
~Ali

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:56 am

In post 3840, Reasonably Rational wrote:I feel like you're missing some bolding. All your scum reads appeared to be shared except for A50...

-Cerb

Yeah, because I'm not sold on

Almost50-scum

right now, and I have scumreads I'm more confident in.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:43 am

Since

Creature's

inactivity has been site wide recently, which isn't NAI to my belief, and after some discussion with

Alisae

; I'm putting

Creature

in my townbloc for now.

Venmar 131 to 3815

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

-148 ?1296 +1536 +1538 =1754 =2299 =2311 -2314 -2322 ++2966 ☀ -3272 -3672 -3805 =3815

Maid Cafe

-161 +286 +294 =1204 ++1312 +1320 -2319 =2795 =2981 =2990 ☀ =3374 =3416 =3451 =3651 +3672

ReasonablyRational

=529 -641 =750 =913 -934 =955 -1231 -1328 -1332 -1538 v-1749 =1754 -1893 -2381 ==2385 =2389 =2409 ?2998 -3014 -3018 ☀ -3652 -3773

Bronya Zaychik

=408 -=1204 =1316 =1320 -1538 =1569 -2305 ☀ -3478 -3484 -3652

Chara

-140 -146 ++286 +294 =729 ++899 +934 ☀ ==3373

Creature

+2381 +2385 +2409 ☀

SnarkySnowman

☀ ==3651

Skybird

☀

Iconeum

=704 ☀

Almost50

==717 =721 +1312 ☀ -3469

Micc/Nancy

==2326 ☀

Dunn

☀ -3653

Baku

?283 -1263 -2243 ☀ v-3335 --3469 =3668

Tibor/Gamma Emerald

-374 v-490 -491 -636 -704 =2243 +2795 +?2990 ☀ ?3450 -3671

________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

-374 =408 -1893 v-1896 -2419 -2966 -2977 ✝☀

OnTheMark

-131-150 -161 -167 -170 ?288 =294 =499 -634 =648 =721 ++1211 ++1312 -1761 -=3010 ✝☀

1)

Why did you vote Gamma? I thought he was your townread.

2)

Is discrediting being apart of your town meta really your only response to my vote and thoughts?

3)

You haven't really interacted with several people much, and honestly not much, if at all, with

Skybird

... Reads/thoughts?

Going to ISO-interaction Map

Gamma

now.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:53 pm

I've been meaning to link this for awhile now
That refers to the planes that exist.

I don't think Heroes of Might and Magic or LEGEND OF THE FIVE RINGS are planes that exist based on how Varsoon described the nature of them and the nature of this game?

idunno I'm posting this here because I think it'll be helpful.
~Ali

Purple Heart · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:03 am

dear god, there's so many interactions here.

so, I probably messed up the placement or typing of some posts.

Tibor-Lumia/Gamma 34 to 3811

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

v-344 ==727 -2205 =2213 -2214 ==2226 =2234 +2251 -2412 =2522 =2779 -2729 ☀ -3167 ?3174 -3177 -3179 -?3182 -3184 -3189 -3194 =3198 =?3207 +3214 =3237 =3365 -3584 =3589

Maid Cafe

=149 +160 +326 +344 +368 ?547 ++561 =665 -991 -1012 -1515 -2219 -2226 ?2750 -?2757 =3041 ☀ =3120 ?3237 +3299 +3324 =3332 =3409 =3490 -3590 =3635 v-3757

ReasonablyRational

=328 +368 +727 =932 =2028 +?2208 =2544 ?3105 ☀ ?3237 =3256 +3262 =3585 +3589

Bronya Zaychik

==727 -1515 ?1516 +2035 =2040 +2226 =2411 ☀ ?3237 -3390 -3409 -3590 -3667

Chara

+344 =480 v-564 =588 -658 =662 =664 ==727 =943 +990 +1022 =2034 +2226 =2517 ☀ =3184 ?3237 =3254 +3811

Creature

=611 =1028 =1032 =2345 ++2371 ☀

SnarkySnowman

-993 ☀ =3238

Skybird

=623 -2005 -2226 +2321 =2956 ☀

Iconeum

=368 -630 -661 =778 -1515 v-1657 -1948 ?2002 -2005 --2035 -2224 -2292 -2758 ☀

Almost50

v-727 u926 ?1515 =2203 =2211 =2219 =2229 ==2371 +2784 ☀ ?3237

Micc/Nancy

=368 +727 +781 +1659 +==2213 =2235 --2251 -2325 -2328 R ?2779 ☀

Dunn

-2226 +2239 =2289 ==2371 =?2490 ☀

Baku

-2042 -2061 --2072 -2226 =?2690 ☀ =3759

Venmar

=34 -117 -368 ==611 ?658 -727 =2246 ☀ =3436 =3455 -3670

___________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

=603 ?2289 -2424 -2956 ✝☀ ?3456

OnTheMark

+34 +368 =370 =377 -547 =629 -638 -643 =646 -647 ++702 +727 -815 +1515 ?1516 =1951 =2002 =2005 -2069 -2224 +2226 ==-?2411 -2811 =3040 ✝☀ ?3461

1)

Gamma

, you say you're being tunneled, but what did you do with

Iconeum

for D1? What's your read on him now?

2)

Thoughts on

Venmar

, or a general readslist?

3)

Also, your case on

MC

is that they have a guilty on you, but you tracked them and they took no night action? Correct?

Finally done with the ISO maps so far.
My vote still stands unless

Alisae

talks me into changing it.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:58 am

In post 3873, baku and munna wrote:
In post 3819, Purple Heart wrote:
Spoiler: Baku ISO Map
baku and munna 281 to 3800
Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart
+1940 +=?2753 ☀ +=3464 +-?3474

Maid Cafe
++281 +516 +521 +524 ++2753 ☀ ?3102 =3108] +3232 +-3464 -3472 -3474 +3722 -3792

ReasonablyRational
+281 +516 ++568 =+1228 =1268 +2753 ☀ =3136 ++3474 +3722 =3738]3738

Bronya Zaychik
==2753 +=2764 ☀ -3474 -3485 =?3491 =3273 =3738

Chara
-=281 -516 -568 --1223 -1228 -1260 -=1262 -1264 -1268 -2753 ☀ =3464 =3472 +==3474

Creature
==2753 ☀ +3474

SnarkySnowman
-==2753 ☀ ?3474

Almost50
==2753 ☀ +3474 +3607

Skybird
+1223 ?2691 +2753 ☀ -3474 =3491

Iconeum
-516 ==?1223 ?2753 ☀ +3474

Micc/Nancy
==2753 ☀ ==3474 =3792

Dunn
+2753 ☀ ==?3474

Venmar
+281 +516 ==?524 ?1264 =2666 +2753 ☀ -3337 +==3474 +3722

Tibor and Lumia/Gamma
=1222 =2658 ==-2753 ☀ ?3102 -v3113 -3474 -3673

____________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers
=281 -516 -524 --1940 -2753 ✝☀

OnTheMark
-281 ==516 ++==524 =568 =?762 --v1222 -1258 =1262 ?1264 -1271 =2658 -2691 ?2753 =2759 ✝☀

Baku
, there are several slots where you've only mildly interacted with or gave thoughts about through readslist, do you have any strong reads at the moment and any clarity on the lesser interacted with slots?

~ Taly
im gonna take this as referring to
creature, snarky, almost, skybird, iconeum, micc/nancy, dunn
creature i tend to not get reads on, they just sound like background noise to me. what i do remember of his posting was alright. nulltown.
snarky is in this game?
almost is an interesting one. hammer on mark makes them likely scum. however, their response to it was the most townie one possible. however, almost is a good enough player to pull that off. I do trust Chara's meta on him which is what is making me pause on his alignment.
iconeum - lynch bait imo. probably town if skybird is scum.
i reckon skybird is scum because of their assertion about ico's alignment.
micc/nancy are in this game?
dunn could be scum due to 0 reasons to think they are town

I suppose you're undecided with

Almost50

then?

Also, what gives you the impression that

Sky/Icon

are different alignments?

Where's your vote at the moment? Is

Dunn

worthy of it?

In post 3880, Reasonably Rational wrote:So, we have confirmation that Dunnstral can't be voted for by at least one individual.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I should have probably done this before, just to have independent corroboration that Dunnstral truly can't be voted for. Possible they're not truly lynchproof, and the votes simply don't show up until they reach lynch or some other threshold. That would reduce the semi-counterclaim effect of having two slots that are lynchproof in Pacifist.

@Kiana: So you lost your vote when we went to Pacifist? And PH went from having half a vote(which is functionally no vote, unless another half vote exists), to having 2 votes?

-Cerb

*claps*

Yay!

Finally a push! I'm so proud of

Cerb

.

Confirming that you are correct; in the Genocide route, I'll be posting by myself, and my vote will be .5 - effectively worthless.

In Pacifist, both

Alisae

and I can speak, and we each have an individual vote. Right now, we're both working to get in sync before we make any hardpushes or vote changes, but I stand by my reads and observations in my previous posts.

But wait, to verify, what do you mean by

Dunn

can't be voted by a certain individual? Are you just referring to

Titus/Kiana

losing vote capabilities?

In post 3824, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3821, Iconeum wrote:Dunstrall's first 8 posts are all NAI, not a single one talks about the game or the players. In 2269 he gives his first read on Maid Cafe town/Skybird unknown. Promises to take a look at these 2, never follows this up.

Next posts are all 3-4 word non-engaging posts like 2271, 2384 and 2453. This time could have been spent researching the MC/Skybird slots as promised but chooses to post that crap.

Next post that does anything is claiming unlynchable, which does nothing but distract. Never comments on reads, no votes, overall I'm not feeling any care for sorting.

VOTE: Dunstrall

There hasn't been a vote count after Skybirds vote on Dun, so let's see what happens. If we don't (or can't ) lynch him today, I want to see him lynched tomorrow.
How is any of that scum motivated rather than just lazy in this game?

Show what your motivations are, then. Where's your head at?

In post 3886, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3870, Purple Heart wrote:
1)

Gamma
, you say you're being tunneled, but what did you do with
Iconeum
for D1? What's your read on him now?

2)
Thoughts on
Venmar
, or a general readslist?

3)
Also, your case on
MC
is that they have a guilty on you, but you tracked them and they took no night action? Correct?

Finally done with the ISO maps so far.
My vote still stands unless
Alisae
talks me into changing it.

~ Taly
1) I don't think I tunneled Iconeum? Either way, current read is "might be mafia but he's kinda low importance". My main reason for lynching him over anyone else was mostly "If he's mafia I see him having the charisma to fuck shit up".
2) I think Venmar's read on me is okay? It has felt weird but I don't see anything too bad with his meta argument he had. As for other reads I could totally see Dunn being scum with MC, but other than that I need to review for associations because that's the only person I would immediately say looks suspicious off a MC scum flip.
3) Yeah that's the majority of it. The other is the fact that no matter what happens to the things impacting their reads it never seems to change them. Reads as a scum agenda. If MC were to explain the guilty and how they got it I'd give them the pass on that one but the second point would still remain.

1)

What do you think about

Iconeum/Skybird

?

2)

Dunnstral

has done little to interact with anyone, I don't know how you made the association of him and

MC

?

3)

I want to hear

MC

respond to this.

Where's Venmar?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:03 am

In post 3905, Venmar wrote:also, lynch me if you guys dare

im sitting perplexed tbh. i dont have the energy nor the fucks to read taly's walls. i can respond to direct and concise questions but other than that it is what it is

Sigh... I'm one of the few people in this game trying to progress the gamestate, and this is the type of response I'm getting from multiple people.

Cool.

But, since you're better with the bullet questions like

Gamma

...

In post 3906, Venmar wrote:im actually also still townreading gamma, for the record.

i know that doesn't make sense because im voting them, but this is entirely and purely a case of gamma, in my eyes, being town by play, but a lynch by mechanic. gamma's unlynchable claim is basically something i will always want to hard check in any game. i think gamma is bluffing/lying at best, lying at worst. he either gets lynched and flips scum for lying, or is actually unlynchable, in which case he isn't lying and we get a free night for all of us to be productive and use investigatives and hoods to catch scum. it's the play for today.

1)

Why are you voting to lynch a townread? ....Even if it's to test a claim or lynch a potential scum candidate. I don't get it.

2)

Plus, if you actually townread

Gamma

, why are you proposing that he could be lying, or stating the possibility that he could flip scum? Like, this doesn't ring to me as consistent in thought process.

3)

Why is it good to lynch someone who's potentially lynchproof? That may end in no flip, no theme except for a possible change in route, which fucking sucks, and people's reads will not likely change right now because the gamestate's stagnated. Plus, a handful of us don't have investigative to use, unless

Alisae

and I were singled out.

4)

Speaking of that, do you have an investigative ability? How do you feel about

Maid Cafe's

unouted guilties and

Gamma's

'reasoning' for tracking people?

In post 3908, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Venmar: given the fact that this games ruleset changes, as well as roles, if his slot *doesnt* prevent the nk, or, hell, gives scum some additional benefit(s) in addition to not being lynched, it just means they've maximized the utility of the role by letting it activate during the one day it could activate.

It's not mechanically optimal in any situation where scum gain more benefit from it than town.

-Cerb

I don't think this assessment evaluates the full picture. ...I read this, and I literally learned nothing about your thoughts toward the

Gamma

lynchproof claim and lynch.

I don't believe town has easy access information to other player's information like scum do as a team. So the point of prolonging this theme by entertaining a potentially fruitless lynch path serves little but to reset the day, and give power to a select group of people who can act at night. In this context, town as whole, learns little if anything on an individual level, and the scumteam has a possible agenda that could be filled via time and night action.

Essentially, while mechanically, this may not benefit either town or scum more; I don't think it's protown to just say:

"Let's drop everything we've already learned and pushed for just to policy lynch the lynchproof claim! Hehehe!"

Especially

when the lynchproof ability will most likely be changed in the next dayphase, but that can't happen without a successful lynch first.

It's not logistically helpful play for town, specifically in a theme where the power balance alternates.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:09 am

In post 3918, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also, creating interaction maps without analysis and conclusions does not actually progress the game state. It REITERATES the game state, and gives people a tool which they can use to review how you no interpret things, but the conclusions you draw from each post(namely, this is a positive interaction or negative interaction) are too simple to justify going back and actually reading through them, at least without the valuable notations included such as questioning WHY someone's interactions went from hard positive to hard negative.

in Taly's defense, I told him to do the maps so I could do this.
~Ali

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:06 am

In post 3920, Dunnstral wrote:I feel as though
Maid Cafe
is
aligned with the town

Why are you saying this like a cop inno when it's like
common knowledge?
lol
in the words of taly
"ecks dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee"

--

In post 3922, Creature wrote:What's our townblock again?

Me, Maid Cafe, Titus/Kiana, Chara, You, RR, Skyburd.
~Ali

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:07 am

In post 3923, Creature wrote:Did Almost50 do anything protown?

Well he's in our wonderful scumpool of {nancy/micc slot, A50, Venmar, Gamma/Tibor, and Baku} so no maybe? There's 1 townie in there at minimum.
~Ali

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:09 am

In post 3926, Creature wrote:Why is Skybird in and Iconeum out?

Because I have deemed Skyburd to be really towny today and she is treating Iconeum as an IC.
If skyburd is town therefore Iconeum is also probably town.
~Ali

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:09 am

In post 3927, Creature wrote:Yeah, Nancy's ISO is like 80% "I'm not caught up"

Micc was scummy

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:11 am

In post 3931, Creature wrote:I feel like some players aren't in your townblock nor in your scumpool.

My townbloc is people that are basicly locktown to me.
I townread everyone that isn't in the scumpool basicly
~Ali

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:23 am

Sounds like a plan buddy.

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:23 pm

In post 3935, Maid Cafe wrote:VOTE: Venmar

~B

Would like to vote with you
I think its better to wait though because puzzles.

Also Cerby,
I highly believe that that would have been done already if any of us had a dayvig

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:36 pm

In post 3964, Reasonably Rational wrote:A50's disappearance is also kinda weak evidence too.

Disappearing for 53 hours isn't really in character for him, especially immediately after regaining his ability to vote and such. Hmph.

-Cerb

Bee am I dreaming?

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:44 pm

I mean
if I'm dreaming this is a good dream.

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:41 pm

don't end the chara. guilty though. yay.

Purple Heart · Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:48 pm

In post 3977, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 3972, Maid Cafe wrote:We chose A50 because me and Maki were divided on the read.
It was an invention we received (prolly due to our claim), we didn't use it before the day reset so we only have 1 result.
We used it sometime last irl night.
?

Gamma saw you go nowhere right?

...

Kinda confused by this whole thing.

-Cerb

I mean that whole post where Gamma said he tracked Chara, Titus/Kiana, and Bee was completely lol so...

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:27 pm

I got a maze Titus

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:57 am

VOTE: A50
mkay
~Ali

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:17 am

Gamma.
We don't care

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:20 am

In post 3992, Varsoon wrote:Maid Cafe (1): Gamma Emerald

Yeah keep talking buddy.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:29 am

I don't need mod confirmation that Chara is an IC for me to believe that they're town

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:35 am

Cerby it was a JOKE

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:40 am

In post 4052, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:jigsaw puzzzles.

Yep
that'da do it.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:40 am

Everything makes sense now.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:45 am

nancy you should chill we're not going to lynch you over the guilty.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:48 am

There's a guilty on A50.
UNVOTE:
We're mostly waiting for puzzles to be solved and now that your is understandably tough (lol jigsaw puzzle) I'll wait I guess?
~Ali

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:53 am

In post 4014, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 3971, Maid Cafe wrote:We have a guilty on A50 I am not dealing with that.

~B

In post 3972, Maid Cafe wrote:We chose A50 because me and Maki were divided on the read.
It was an invention we received (prolly due to our claim), we didn't use it before the day reset so we only have 1 result.
We used it sometime last irl night.
-Cerb

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:00 am

We're trying to help you.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:02 am

RR

, I don't quite know what questions toward Skybird/Iconeum you're pointing me to?

I think

Sky

and

Icon

are most likely town, partially because my scumreads currently consist of 4 people already, and I haven't found anything notable or odd about their posting. I still think

Sky

outing the hood was a towny thing, and I can't say

Icon's

play is scum? I still don't understand the suspicion that was on him? He doesn't read as fake to me?

Nancy Drew 39 wrote:You mean like a mod punisment or something? I’m not too familiar with this site.

No, no. Guilties are basically when a cop investigates someone to check their alignment.

Guilties entail that that person is not town.

~~~

Since there is a guilty on

Almost50

, I can't contest that. I feel like nothing else is really happening today, and this has been the most pulling bit of information to push for a lynch or wagon. :/ Plus not many people batted an eyelash to my push on

Venmar

.

Though, I want to wait and see if puzzles can be done from now and until I post tomorrow. So:
UNVOTE:

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:20 am

Bee I'm following.
End this mystery and put it to rest imo.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:41 am

In post 4089, Maid Cafe wrote:Is it bad that I am a shitty player and town read Nancy for this?

+

It's way more genuine then Micc's play.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:35 am

Omfg
YOU'RE NOT DIEING.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:37 am

You.
Are.
Not.
Dieing.

We considered lynching you because we thought you could be maliciously stalling but that is like
Definitely
Not the case
So we can wait.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:41 am

Are you reading my posts?

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:33 pm

Icon do you think nancy's frustration with getting a jigsaw puzzle and potentially dieing over not being able to solve the jigsaw puzzle quick enough is faked?

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:34 pm

Dude...
Its a fucking Jigsaw Puzzle...
Jigsaw Puzzles are like,
the devil.

Purple Heart · Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:35 pm

they're not even fucking puzzles.

Purple Heart · Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:48 am

In post 4163, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 4162, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what never happened? the M:tG massclaim
Yep, because it was a bad idea. Particularly given that nobody spoke up about being able to give others mana, which means at least one of my spells was uncastable with just the resources we had on that day, so I expect us to return to MTG.

-Cerb

Have you considered it being a red hearing?

I mean tbf, my viewpoting on MtG massclaim is at this point, I don't needed since its moreso to confirm town motivated actions and what not but we can wait till we lynch Gamma Baku and A50 before that point

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:03 am

Heavy doubt Chara is a 3rd party that would be confusing as fuck tbh its likely that the game is just singeball.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:27 am

eh I have no idea how it would funciton like would its wincons keep on changing?
Shrug
better not be an SK though
We all know what I think about SKs.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:16 pm

Hey guys
Wanna hear a good joke?
Taly hasn't been checking the game and he just as me on discord
"Did anything new happen?"
Get it?
Get it?
GEEEEEEEET IT?
CAUSE NOTHING NEW HAS HAPPENED IN THE GAME!

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:17 pm

It's funny because nothing new has happened in the past week hahaha I'm so FUCKING FUNNY

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:50 pm

In post 4191, Gamma Emerald wrote:we all know this
what plan do you have to fix it tho?

hmmmmm
Lets ask my good friend CREATURE

Hey CREATURE
How can we solve this problem?
O
W

C
A
N

W
E

S
O
L
V
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T
H
I
S

G
A
M
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?

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:51 pm

In post 4192, Chara wrote:i mean, it's easy to fix if you ignore me and just lynch Almost.

um Idunno about you but I rather post memes because I personally think I am SO FUCKING FUNNY

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:40 pm

Spring Break has concluded for me, and it's the last few weeks of the semester... So my schedule is becoming more hectic, and I won't be as consistently prompt as I was earlier in this game for about a month.

:/ I have a freaking 3.4 GPA this semester. Gotta lock that shit up. Need a 4.0 if I want higher probability of scholarships...

...That Genetics Doctorate's not paying for itself.

((Even though it's my first-year still.))

I'll read through the past page or so and give my thoughts tomorrow.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:35 am

In post 4198, Reasonably Rational wrote:So, anybody have any thoughts on why nobody(but me, and Chara, who will hopefully be IC soon) has fought the idea of A50 scum? It makes me leery that scum are just accepting this if it's true. :-/

-Cerb

Baku posts are where?
Gamma I have no idea what the fuck he's doing
Venmar posts are where?

Purple Heart · Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:36 am

And you can't argue that A50 isn't fighting it considering he's not posting because wall to cerby, which is fine regardless of alignment to be honest.

Purple Heart · Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:20 am

I'm saying no one is fighting against it because the people who are okay with it are for the most part town and wolves aren't posting

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:57 am

VOTE: A50
I believe you might be able to attempt it over night phase?
/shrug
~Ali

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:13 am

X_X The last few pages and days have gone extremely slow, and we're less than 3 days from deadline at this point.

Nothing is happening at this point, and there's a guilty; I don't believe any other lynch is plausible right now.

VOTE: Almost50

@Mod, can we get a votecount please?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:46 am

In post 4255, Gamma Emerald wrote:honestly I want to lynch Iconeum cos like his whole interaction with the puzzle thing feels super scum motivated, even if he solves his puzzle quickly

Yeah I'm sure you would love that mislynch.

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:37 pm

"This game is for Cerberus v666"

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:39 pm

Oh here's another good one
"The most townsided game V ever created."

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:21 pm

start here

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:23 pm

In post 4283, Reasonably Rational wrote:Original advertisement:(which, btw, says that there are no moderator lies that "can't be reasonably anticipated".

...

Fucking Varsoon.

In post 1234, Varsoon wrote:

WHAT IS 'MAGIC THE GATHERING'?

Spoiler:
Traveling throughout the Multiverse are Planeswalkers–powerful mages with the rare ability to leave the world of their birth. The adventures, plots, and machinations of these Planeswalkers forever alter the fates of those they encounter. The monsters and civilizations of the Multiverse also have their own histories and legends. Each plane is rich in mystery and intrigue, strife and war, all with epic stories just waiting for your discovery.

Magic the Gathering is a trading card game published by Wizards of the Coast. It's probably safe to say that Magic the Gathering is THE trading card game, as it was the first and still stands as one of the most popular. Players take on the identity of powerful magicians capable of traversing realities. The cards you play with represent a suite of spells and creatures that you can call forth from other worlds. Ever complex and evolving, Magic the Gathering is just as much of a challenging game of strategy and deckbuilding as it is a cultural phenomenon.

The goal of this Mafia game is to produce the same sense of power and strategy that Magic affords its players. I've designed the setup to capture the feeling of playing Magic, visiting new planes that present the players with new flavor as well as new cards to add to their collection, all while doing battle with other equally powerful planeswalkers. I've developed a very non-normal role madness setup that should give every player a good deal of agency with not just the sort of role they receive, but also how they plot victory over their peers.

WHAT IS A 'VARSOON GAME'? WHAT SORT OF GAME SHOULD I EXPECT HERE?

Spoiler:
Magic the Gathering Mafia is a 17 player theme game with a non-normal setup that functions somewhat similar to a U-Pick in that players will be choosing 'color identities' and I will be building roles around those identities, then assigning alignments after roles have been generated. Days will be 2 weeks, nights will last 48 hours. You should expect this setup to be as varied and complex as setups that I have run in the past. I've specifically designed the unique mechanics to make each day/night phase drastically different from the last in terms of what rules are in play and what options are available to players in terms of role-related power. At it's heart, this is still a game of Mafia, but players should expect a somewhat chaotic gamestate with ever-shifting power dynamics and public mechanics. As a very important note, this game is NOT a bastard setup--this game DOES NOT feature any cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated, secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game. That said, this game DOES feature incredibly heavy shifts in role mechanics and public game mechanics that are much more notable than any other game run on-site.

As a moderator with a deep passion for rhetoric, expect a game with mechanics that will always supplement the rhetoric of the game rather than the usual sort of roles that are supplemented by rhetoric. My games are typical Role Madness games--I like to give every player some sort of unique 'something' to play with in tandem with the actual game. I try to include very engaging public mechanics in order to retain player interest, which can be a difficult thing to do in the Large games that I like to run. Do not expect any 'vanilla' roles here.

'Varsoon Games' are typically characterized by heavy flavor, high quality moderation, and unpredictable yet satisfying mechanics. I am very cognizant of my moderator meta and I constantly keep even seasoned fans on their toes. I have achieved a Master's Degree in writing Fiction; I enjoy writing involved flavor that reflects the sensibilities of players and the game state while not revealing anything that would give a mechanical advantage. I also take Mafia very seriously; I spend over 8 hours a day with access to the site, always with a tab open, refreshing my games, re-reading them, and so on--even when I worked full time and went to college, I accomplished this endeavor. For me, Mafia is a labor of love and a full-time job. I want to deliver the quality experience that I came to love on this site. My games, hopefully, represent that.

As far as moderation goes, I see online Mafia moderation the same way I do moderating a face-to-face game with my friends. I am here to ensure all of my friends and guests have a fun time playing a game we all enjoy. That said, Mafia does get intense. Mafia is psychological. Mafia can feature very aggressive rhetoric. We lynch people here. I love those aspects of the game, and I want them to be in a game, although they will always run risk of ruining the experience for some players. I am far less draconic in my moderation than other moderators. I will always err on the side of the player. That said, I have no patience for players who do break the rules. Do not play my game if you are habitually in trouble with moderators and other players. I'll do everything I can to keep you in-game and having a fun time, but if you cross the line and it's clear you intentionally broke a rule, I will have no mercy in my judgment.

I do not enforce Blacklists, Wisdom of the Crowds, Wisdom of the One, or any similar requests to prohibit players from playing. The only players not welcome in my games are banned players. Do not ask me to prohibit a player from joining for personal reasons; I will never do so unless they currently have a ban or restriction. Everyone is welcome at my table. If you have a personal problem with a player, come to a happy agreement with them before creating drama in my signup thread or in my game. If you absolutely can't play with someone else, do not sign up for a game of mine if they are in the player list. If you do, I will allow you in, but don't think I'm going to shunt the other player because of your personal issues. I want everyone to get together and have fun here. I fully support even bitter rivals playing at the same table and learning to overcome their own differences in order to have fun with something we all enjoy.

WHERE/HOW DO I SIGN UP? (CURRENT PRE-INS: 11/11):

Spoiler:
This is a 17 player game that will be run as a large theme game, which means that my setup will need to go through the moderator queue before signups can begin. Once they do, I will link the signup thread here! I am allowed up to 11 Pre-ins, so if you'd like a PM when the game signups begin, let me know and I can send that to you.

Pre-ins:
1. Iconeum
2. OnTheMark
3. Yume
4. Chara
5. Randomidget
6. Beeboy
7. Creature
8. Titus
9. Almost50
10. Cerberus v666
11. Snarkysnowman

PUBLIC MECHANICS APPEARING IN MAGIC THE GATHERING MAFIA:

"UNTAP, UPKEEP, DRAW"

Spoiler:
When you sign up for this game, please submit three choices for what you desire your 'color identity' to be.
You may choose either a single color or any combination of two colors for your color identity choices.
For those unfamiliar, the colors are:
White: Color of order, law, healing, righteousness, community, absolutism, and light.
Black: Color of power, corruption, ambition, and amorality.
Blue: Color of reason, intellect, dreams, illusion, creativity, trickery, and manipulation.
Red: Color of freedom, passion, emotion, chaos, impulse, and fury.
Green: Color of life, instinct, nature, evolution, ecology, and interdependence.

Based on the color indentites each player submits, I will create a unique 'Planeswalker' rolecard that corresponds to their color choice.
In addition to your 'Planeswalker' rolecard, you will 'draw' three 'spell' cards that fall within your color identity at the start of the game.
At the start of each Day phase, you will 'draw' another new spell card that will be added to your current unused cards, also referred to as your 'hand'.
These spell cards will represent abilities that you may use, but only if you meet certain requirements.
Each spell will have a unique 'type' modifier, such as 'sorcery', 'instant', 'creature', etc--these are simply keywords that help differentiate how a spell functions.
The entire functionality of a spell card will be reflected in its text; keywords will be described on the spell card itself rather than in public rules.
Unless noted otherwise, once a spell card has been used, it may not be used again for the rest of the game.

"TAP TO ADD MANA TO YOUR MANA POOL"

Spoiler:
Each player will be able to generate 'mana' via various private means.
Mana is a resource that can be spent to cast your spell cards.
Mana has a color identity as well--Spell Cards will specify which color of mana they require to be cast.
Your mana accumulates between Day and Night cycles but will never carry over between more than one cycle (You can not use 'banked' mana from Day 1 on Day 2, but could use it on Night 1).

"PLANECHASE"

Spoiler:
When the game begins, all players assume the role of 'Planeswalkers' on the plane of Dominaria.
However, at the start of each new day, all players will begin in a new plane.
Each plane represents a different world or universe in the multiverse, and will come with its own set of unique rules specific to that plane.
These unique planar rules will often influence player's mana growth, mana use, and spell card effects.
While some of these changes are incredibly drastic and border on what may be considered 'bastard' by some, this is not a bastard game.
-Cerb

-insert conversation we already had-

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:31 pm

These names are kinda meh btw

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:31 pm

Btw if it hasn't been listed yet Storybook Mafia.

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:36 pm

"Cerberus bullies alisae the mafia game"

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:37 pm

I did nothing wrong
REEEEEEEE

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:39 pm

"Cerberus loves Alisae the Mafia Game"

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:40 pm

THATS IT
MULTIVERSE MAFIA

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:41 pm

In post 3506, Varsoon wrote:
What happened next was pretty unexpected. The detestable scum that had very likely done Alphys in? Well--
I OFFERED THEM A CHANCE AT SALVATION, NYEH HEH HEH!!! TO BE HONEST, I WAS A LITTLE AFRAID... BUT THEY'RE ALREADY BECOMING GREAT PEOPLE! I'M SO PROUD I COULD CRY!!!
Yeah. So, I guess that happened. Anyway, folks were still a little on guard. I mean, it's not like murdering scum just become people's friends because they SAY they're gonna. Time would have to tell. In the meantime, though,
folks enjoyed a fine slice of peace. And a burger or two.

The Day Phase has been reset.
Any and all actions that had taken place since the start of the Day and any which were affecting players have been redacted.
The game's route is now PACIFIST.

Does this confirm anything?

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:48 pm

In post 4309, Reasonably Rational wrote:Modfather Mafia

-Cerb

btw um Cerby I think I have some bad news for you.

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:49 pm

Cerby its 3am I can maybe actually help you out when I am thinking about things and I don't feel like spending 5 hours trying to guess the name of a game when I have a question related to this that I need to ask Varsoon.

Plus
"Alisae Trolls Cerby at 3am The Mafia Game"

<3

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:50 pm

In post 4313, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 4312, Purple Heart wrote:
In post 4309, Reasonably Rational wrote:Modfather Mafia

-Cerb
btw um Cerby I think I have some bad news for you.
Mmm?

What is the bad news?

-Cerb

the bad news is I'm most likely the new modfather

V: In your dreams, nerd!

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:51 pm

In post 4317, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 4315, Purple Heart wrote:Cerby its 3am I can maybe actually help you out when I am thinking about things and I don't feel like spending 5 hours trying to guess the name of a game when I have a question related to this that I need to ask Varsoon.

Plus
"Alisae Trolls Cerby at 3am The Mafia Game"
<3
4 a.m. for me.

I"m gonna see Aladdin the Musical tomorrow! I should be sleeping!

-Cerb

shit
That sounds fun as fuck
You go join watching ya boi Aladdin in action

--

In post 4318, baku and munna wrote:Alisae you can't overthrow the Varsoon.

Yes I can.

Pedit: nevermind

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:52 pm

You go have fun watching bla=asuhs5lthsd;siy6twuet'sluyd
Fuck me fuck this ipad I should sleep

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:53 pm

I mean I love this ipad I would never break it unlike a certain keyboard I destroyed earlier in the day but
Ya get the point

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:53 pm

That is the plan!

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:57 pm

In post 4325, baku and munna wrote:A game created by Alisae and varsoon

Hmmmmm

It should. No must happen.

P edit

Can I pre-pre-in?

no ur getting wisdom of the Ali'd nerd winky face lul xd kappa git fukt
(Real answer: No we don't even know what we're doing yet)

--

In post 4326, Reasonably Rational wrote:I recommend you listen to the Aladdin the Musical version of Friend Like Me before you go to sleep.
Then I'll release you.

-Cerb

on it.

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:58 pm

Also ty cerby
This brings me back when I used to do theatre stuff all throughout middle and high school
I started to hate it but then I started taking playwrighting courses and that was fun as fuck

Purple Heart · Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:01 pm

its a trick question the game has no name

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:43 am

In post 4277, Iconeum wrote:I got a riddle, not a puzzle.
Unlimited answers, i can ask for help.

Real name for this game?

Not mtg
Not undertale
Not 'does not have a real name'

Illusion Mafia
Dimensional Mafia
Shifting Mafia
New Worlds Mafia / Different Worlds Mafia / Multi Worlds Mafia / Vibrant Worlds Mafia
Insanity Mafia
Puzzle Mafia
Game of Cards Mafia / Deck of Cards Mafia
Trickster Mafia
Fighter Mafia / Heroes Plight Mafia
Action Mafia
Universal Mafia
Riddled Mafia / Riddles of Mafia
Color Spectrum Mafia / Colored Magic Mafia
Uncertainty Mafia
Flipside Mafia
Route Alteration Mafia / Altered Route Mafia
Schools of Magic Mafia
Multi-Planes Mafia
New Day Mafia / New Life Mafia / New Reality Mafia
Collided Battles Mafia
Mystery Mafia
Investigation Mafia
Finder Mafia
Allegiance Mafia
Powers of Mafia / Powered Lives Mafia
Screw Everyone Mafia
Treachery Mafia
Arms of War Mafia / Magical Warfront Mafia / Relics of Existence
Monstrous Mafia
Transformation Mafia
Relics Mafia
Existential Crisis Mafia / Ever-existing Mafia
Paradox Mafia

Is Varsoon allowed to specify when you've gotten close to the name?

Please, there better be more than 4 people working on this.

In post 4338, baku and munna wrote:On the topic of the game though what is that about a guilty o read, I am kinda not caught up. Again.

Maid Cafe

has a guilty on

Almost50

.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:19 pm

Varsoon Variety Hour Mafia,

guess that to him

Iconeum

.

It's catchy, and I think it fits with the theme. I've been thinking about it a lot.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:22 pm

Though, I don't know if Mafia is a needed word for titles though? We know we're referring to a game, so unless you specify it with

Varsoon

, I don't think it matters if you didn't mentioned Mafia in the title-guesses.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:23 pm

4379

wtf, that was an atrocious editing of a sentence on my part.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:27 pm

Ugh, I hate self-votes. I hate self-hammers. Also, I'm did

Almost50

claim to be a double-voter prior to his votes? Going to look into that.

No

Cerb

, I don't think you're being an ass at all, I think you're one of the most sensible people here, especially after the shameless display of what happened a few posts ago.

We had less than a day left.

In post 4378, Purple Heart wrote:
Varsoon Variety Hour Mafia,
guess that to him
Iconeum
.

It's catchy, and I think it fits with the theme. I've been thinking about it a lot.

~ Taly

Varsoon's Plane Sandbox is another.

Many Universes Mafia could also be one...

If I didn't misread,

Iconeum

can submit stuff during night phase, correct...?

Also, ask

Varsoon

if you can be told if any of the in-thread guesses were correct.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:29 pm

If we don't get this puzzle then we just pissed away a week for no reason.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:35 pm

In post 4427, Taly wrote:butliketrustmetho,iconeumshouldguessALLmyguessestovarsoonbecauseithinkiguessedalotanditspossiblyclosetotheanswer

i mean, we didnt have much longer anyway, but still. X_X

~ Taly

OMG. I WENT SO FAR WITHOUT AN ALTSLIP....

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:15 pm

In post 4443, Reasonably Rational wrote:constructive conversation

if constructive conversation means having to read every single scum!gamma post then lol.

Purple Heart · Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:17 pm

like there was no constructive conversation to kill in the first place we were waiting for chara's puzzles to finish up.
If new information was brought up by other means, then there would be a meaningful conversation.

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:23 am

I'm having a tough time seeing

Maid Cafe

being any part aligned

Almost50/Baku

or

Gamma/Venmar

, so if someone has a differing view, explain it to me.

Also, the fake guilty sucks, and I want a strong explanation for it, but there are multiple people I find more likely to flip red than him. I didn't like

Almost50's

response to his wagon throughout the day, and at this point, his acceptance of being little to nothing in terms of help has only exacerbated my light scumread of him.

"Oh shit, did

Taly

do a 180? He townread

Almost50

before!"

No scum, I had a conflicting, weaktown read with

Almost50

throughout this day and I feel, and concluded that

Almost50

leading to the ending of D1, that he is most likely scum and this outweighs the AtE he has displayed.

In post 4416, Almost50 wrote:VOTE: Almost50

In post 4420, Almost50 wrote:I'm a double voter, yo.
I'm also fed up with this, so I want to be flipped so you guys may finally see the light. It's not like you're magically going to switch to someone else with a stated/claimed guilty on me (and I say stated/claimed because I really don't know if it's totally fake or if there's a redirector/framer kind of role in play).

What was the reason of the fake self-hammer and fake-claim?

Why vote yourself in the first place?

Do not tell me that that was

SOLELY

to try and prove that you were right, because if you're town, you're borderline going against your alignment.

In post 4435, Chara wrote:i'm going to bed. this day was a waste. sorry.

pedit: why did you feel the need to tell me it all if not to preemptively cover yourself when Almost flips town?

This day will be wasted if

Almost50

is hammered before our next 6 hours is up, and

Iconeum

doesn't use my guesses:

Preferably these ones:

1)

Varsoon Variety Hour

2)

Relics of Magic

3)

Universal Planewars

4)

Illusion Mafia

5)

Underground Mafia

Because I think these are my best guesses, and I'll be happy if

Iconeum

uses them in the event that they are all wrong and my gut sucks.

In post 4450, Iconeum wrote:Hi could give you something big or little instead i prese t you with a riddle
Whqt is the actual name of this mafia game

Asked about jn game guesses and sent in some answers

Were any of the 5 I listed above the ones you guessed?

~~~

We're 6 hours from the deadline, we are riding this shit to it. I'm holding people to this

I refuse to let us waste a week, we prolonged it for the puzzle, and we will do that until we finish the puzzle or we fail trying.

~~~

Gamma

, I have another assignment for you:

1)

What is your read on Almost50 BEFORE and AFTER your vote/unvote on him?

2)

Why did you vote and unvote Almost50 after he fake self-hammered?

3)

Think of at least 3 possible names for this game. Be creative.

4)

Thoughts on

Baku/Venmar

?

5)

Why is it OK to end the day before

Iconeum

finishes his puzzle?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:02 am

Guess I have a lot of work to do tomorrow.
/me sigh

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:02 am

I'm still defending Bee btw.

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:12 am

In post 3971, Maid Cafe wrote:We have a guilty on A50 I am not dealing with that.

~B

FIRST OFF, IF YOU THOUGHT THE GUILTY WAS ANYTHING BUT FAKE, YOU ARE INCOMPETENT AND AS SUCH, ARE BEING EXTREMELY UNREASONABLE

why?
Because I knew the guilty was fake as soon as I saw it?
Why?
Because Bee to have gotten a random daycop guilty in the middle of the day makes 0 fucking sense.
And I still followed it because?
I saw no reason not to follow it and in general I trust Bee, so I am going to follow it.

Plus, these posts most likely win the game.

In post 4031, Maid Cafe wrote:I don't particularly care enough about ICing Chara I think we lose more by stalling out the day for another 6 irl days.

Especially given a few people completing a puzzle literally just outs them as scum if this is a fake claim so I don't think it ever is?

Like

Literally 100% of the time these are true.
A50 = Scum
Baku = Scum
Gamma = Scum

Venmar is probably just the last scum in this team.

In post 4077, Maid Cafe wrote:I am going to go slow for a bit I have new things to say as well I just dwant to take this piece by piece.

We have a guilty on A50 and
A50 claiming to save Baku makes it highly likely Baku is scum since I was literally pushing Baku as though I had a guilty.
In addition them creating there hoods very close to EoD means they knew the day was ending

So playwise I take issue with them as well but does anyone not just understand these reasons?

In post 4086, Maid Cafe wrote:Gamma hasnt really been playing to his town game at all.
He wad disconnected all of day 1, mainly the same thing day 2.

Night 1 he chose to track {A50, Chara, Me, Bronya} which really just feels like him claiming 3 of his scum tracks. Generally he has just ignored or treated his targets as town which I think is a disconnect from a player who submitted those actions. And him explaining his role was dodgy af.
(I am not sure how the above is not enough he simply just isnt playing like town gamma and has non sensical actions.)

In addition Varsoon is a mod who will check synergies and make sure his game just isnt strictly broken. Varsoon would easily miss checking to see if scum and town roles are broken together while designing multiple games over night.

Our pacifist role is we can target 5 people and check to see if they preformed an action night 1. Gamma can claim before us so there isnt overlap so us + Gamma can check like 9 different slots + ourselves which is 11/15 slots. So i dont really think us and Gamma coexist mechanically since we basically so the same thing and we do it over way too many slots in addition to the vast amount of play based reasons that make him scum 100% of the time.

In post 4087, Maid Cafe wrote:
And after catching 3 scum in a row just lynch venmar since i am too lazy to explain that read

Like, the game is over.
Baku stopped even fighting Bee's read on him after that.
Gamma is the only one that is still trying because he thinks he is irrelevant but tbh I'm at the point of literally making it so it is impossible to read his posts sitewide because I fucking hate him and I am tired of reading posts where he thinks he actually has a chance because its not even funny lolcatting and funny memes.

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:14 am

Ya know what
Fuck it
If A50 is town Creature can go back in the wolf pool for lurking out.
{Creature/A50, Baku, Gamma, Venmar}

Game Over

So we are not
Fucking policy lynching bee
The person who literally won the game
Because he faked a guilty
That is stupid
And you are stupid for suggesting so.

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:16 am

Like now I have to fucking try now because people want to mislynch Bee.
Fuck
All
Of
You

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:20 am

In post 4454, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4453, Purple Heart wrote:What was the reason of the fake self-hammer and fake-claim?
Instead of asking what the reason was you should be asking what the result was. The result is you all know it's a
FAKE GUILTY
. So we now know there's not redirector/busdriver/framer, at the very least.

As for why vote myself? I am bored and I don't just replace out from games I willingly sign up to. If I'm not having fun playing the game I'll find a way to make me have fun still through some crazy play. I am not claiming it was planned, as I'm not even following the game the way I do when I take games seriously, but it was funny to have you all on your toes for some time.

To be honest, I didn't even think of it when I saw Gamma voted me, but then when I saw Cerb asking him to unvote it occurred to me to mess with you all and have a chuckle.

And FTR, I don't even mind fake guilties myself. What I do object to is senseless tunneling. Faking a guilty for reaction tests is fine (well, sometimes) but driving it up all the way until it results in an inevitable lynch is no fun at all.

I want you to imagine yourself in my shoes for a minute. You are being called a liar all game long. You are being framed in every possible way and every possible trick in the book is being used against you. And then someone comes up with a guilty on you which you know for a fact isn't true.
Would you have stayed in the game?
I'd bet real money that you wouldn't. So, please don't blame me for trying to have some fun here rather than make your lives miserable (as well as the life of the replace in)

Meh, I haven't replaced out yet solely because of my position in a game. I usually just 1v1 people and vote half the playerlist if I'm put in a corner.

But that's not the point.

I don't know why you'd vote yourself, still? If it was nothing but to get a rise out of the playerlist, why do you keep it on?

Almost50 wrote:
In post 4453, Purple Heart wrote:Do not tell me that that was SOLELY to try and prove that you were right, because if you're town, you're borderline going against your alignment.
I wasn't even trying that. All I wanted was to laugh at you all getting alerted by the fake hammer. The "being right" part was an unexpected side effect.

I mean. there's no way I would have expected that outcome anyway. I wasn't sure if that was the doing of a 3rd person or not. I would no have known they'd actually try to come clean at that time after having sat on it for what? 2 weeks??

And you really want to put the blame on the person who "fake" hammered, and not the person who "fake"
guiltied
them??

I never said I blamed you for anything.

I'm saying that your responses to the votes and wagon have not helped my read on you, or any possible case against you outside of the guilty.

I don't want you to be angry or bitter towards this game on a personal level because I think you're very intelligent, and I like your presence in the game, regardless of how I view your alignment or play. I'm sorry if you're genuinely tired of playing this game and have absolutely no will to try and bring up your argument on someone, and if I'm wrong in voting and your alignment, then I doubly apologize.

But your responses don't come across to me as town when faced with adversity.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:28 am

Also FYI, this was originally created by Aster here
You just have to use tampermonkey to get it to function. I'm also going to try to look into it being possible to add more users to it because there are TONS of people I would love to not have to read their posts globally.

Code: Select all

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// @description   Helps blacklist all you want to your desire
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// @version       1.0
// ==/UserScript==

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      let profile = post.getElementsByClassName("postprofile")[0];
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      let username = usernameLink.text;
      if(username == "Gamma Emerald") {
         let inner = post.getElementsByClassName("inner")[0];
         inner.innerText = "I NO LONGER HAVE TO READ YOUR POSTS THANK GOD";
      }
   }
} catch(e) {
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Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:30 am

That won't solve the issue that I have to read his posts on my Ipad but regardless that is how I feel.

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:02 am

omg it works
and its so
beautiful

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:05 am

So yeah, I

literally

will not be reading Gamma's posts anymore unless I am on my ipad thank
fucking
god

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:41 am

Hey Cerby
you townread me right?

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:48 am

because let me say this.
I'll say it in red because red truth does not lie.

If you townread me, or townlean me, or think I am any sort of "town" read, then Maid Cafe is town because I can soul read both heads as town. Claire head of the Maid Cafe hydra is town because her approach to her hydra Beeboy is exactly the same as to her approach with our hydra in RC's latest uPick. If you don't want to read that game, the summary is Claire only needed to post when I asked her to post and when I emotionally could not feel like playing or handling the game. She is supports her hydra partner in what they need to do, and they are filling that role to a T. If Claire was a wolf, you would see more posting from her period because she has the stronger wolf game AND In Fact, Beeboy would just lurk out if he randed wolf. In fact, Beeboy is town because he straight up does not fake that guilty as a wolf he does not need that intention and if bee was a wolf then this is a very easy game for him. Beeboy does not defend mastina when I got extremely angry at her he supports me. Beeboy does not kill MathBlade because its MathBlade. Wolf!Bee just lets town implode without doing anyhting at all, and you would be seeing Claire a lot more often then you are seeing Beeboy. THEREFORE Maid Cafe is town.

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:50 am

Are we done here?
Cerby are you going to continue to suggest that Bee is a wolf even though I am probably the best player on the playerlist to read them?
Please say yes, it makes my life easier :3

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:20 am

In post 4478, Reasonably Rational wrote:Bee is exploiting their own meta here

Probably the best point you brought up so far but you're using it in the wrong context.
I don't care about the fact that he faked whatever investigation result
I don't care about that.
I don't even see wolf!Bee doing it, he doesn't NEED that attention. If he is pushing all town, he just lets village implode.

I do say its a good point because while Bee is capable of that, there is a time and place where he is willing to do that, and I promise you, this is not a time and place he is willing to do that because if Bee was a wolf, instead of manipulating his meta, he would be focusing on succeeding in school.

Like, I know Bee as a person.
If they were a wolf, you would be seeing way more Claire and way less Bee.

--

In post 4478, Reasonably Rational wrote:Your other two points are, basically, worthless to me, partially because of that meta awareness displayed by beeboy, and the fact that they likely know what you expect from town them.

Why?
Like, Wolf!Bee doesn't need to do anything.
He doesn't need to push an agenda, because town will be mislynching themselves if he is suggesting a scumpool of all town.
And he can probably do that for the rest of the game.
He has no reason to play the way he has, which has been a focused on trying to get town to work together to do what he needs them to do. He doesn't need to do that as a wolf, he just lets town spiral out of control.

--

In post 4478, Reasonably Rational wrote:And that's all assuming I have you as definitely town, which, for the record, I don't actually have ANYONE as.

Okay then there isn't really much we can get out of this conversation now can we.

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:53 am

In post 4481, Reasonably Rational wrote:That's not true. I can cooperate and work with even people I suspect, because I live in a state of perpetual suspicion.

I feel like you're missing my point here. Mafia is a team game, right? I'm not saying that because you suspect me that I cannot work with you. I'm saying that if you townread me, you should trust my abilities to read those two players.

Anyhow Cerby, I'm trying to play along, but here is the difference.
You care about the fake guilty.
I don't.
We both knew it was fake in the first place since we have the gamesense to come to that conclusion, yeah?

So it comes down to this,
why should I care about the fake guilty?

I also have to leave extremely soon.
I feel like it'll be better if Taly plays along with your excercise considering that and he isn't really that familiar with how Claire/Bee play.

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:01 am

Meh
I need to leave
Taly will do the excise

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:17 am

In post 4473, Reasonably Rational wrote:Even though it seems most of you don't care about figuring out the riddle icon has, I'm going to remind you all that Sky bird has a PT with Icon, Chara has a PT with everyone else, so even in the night we can make suggestions that Chara can pass on to skybird to pass on to icon. So let's not just stop trying bease the day ends without resolution.

@PH:I still see numerous scenarios where MC is scum, and I never STOPPED seeing those scenarios. So, lynching them was always going to come up for me at least if their list didn't lead us to at least 2 scum lunches immediately.

-Cerb

So, by this, you're thinking that regardless of the flip, at best from a scumlip,

Maid Cafe

has been bussing their scumreads?

What are your thoughts if

Almost50

flips town, and what are your thoughts on

Almost50

flipping scum?

In post 4481, Reasonably Rational wrote:That's not true. I can cooperate and work with even people I suspect, because I live in a state of perpetual suspicion.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate you doing a little exercise for me.

Pretend A50 gets lynched with the game state the way it was when MC faked the guilty. Assume they flip town. How do things look for the MC slot? Assume they flip scum. Again, how do things look for the MC slot?

In the world where a lynch happens before fake-guilty outed:

1) Almost50 is town;

this will nearly confirm

Maid Cafe

as scum who lied to conceal a mislynch, and much less likely, a towny who targeted another towny off... not the strong basis they claimed. That doesn't discount the possible accuracy of

Maid Cafe's

read, but that doesn't explain how he came to that.

Chara's

puzzle would probably not be completed if a lynch happened at this time or in this manner.

2) Almost50 is scum;

this will nearly confirm

Maid Cafe

as town within the eyes of townies, but that doesn't discount the reality of his fake-guilty actually being BECAUSE

Maid Cafe

knows

Almost50's

alignment, and bussed. But town wouldn't know this though.

Chara's

puzzle would probably not be completed if a lynch happened at this time or in this manner.

In either case, a flip does not quite absolve

Maid Cafe

either way.

In post 4481, Reasonably Rational wrote:Now, pretend they get lynched and flip town/scum, and MC did not tell Chara that they faked the guilty prior to the flip.

Upon an Almost50 flip without Chara knowing of the fake guilty:

1) Almost50 is town;

a similar situation like above would arise. But also,

Chara

not knowing this, would become a question mark to the gamestate, assuming that he would likely have a PT with

Maid Cafe

in this reality. That could hinder

Chara's

means of game solving since he didn't know of this relevant piece of information. That would make communication difficult and easy to misconstrue.

2) Almost50 is scum;

a similar situation like above would arise. But in this scenario where

Chara

doesn't know this, that could easily help build a case in where

Maid Cafe

is town. Because assuming a PT with

Chara

would happen here, that could help create distance from

Maid Cafe

and his supposed guilty.

However, neither option doesn't help clear

Maid Cafe

either way in reality because it was a faked guilty, but town would not know this.

In post 4481, Reasonably Rational wrote:Now, finally, pretend that they get lynched in the current game state, flip town or scum, and so on.

Almost50 flipping right now:

1) Almost50 is town;

would very easily point to

Maid Cafe

doing this to push for a mislynch because of how much he's still pushing this despite the guilty. This rings as anti-town, and that also generates questions behind his motives, which may or may not be town-motivated, despite the poor play.

2) Almost50 is scum;

this would make

Maid Cafe

somewhat cleared? This would confirm he was correct, but that doesn't mean he's town.

In post 4481, Reasonably Rational wrote:Got it?

Now, list those 6 scenarios in order of "least likely to get MC eventually lynched" to "most likely to get MC eventually lynched"

Then post that here, with some reasoning for the results/orders.

I'm very interested in seeing your perspective on those game states, and where MC falls into them.
-Cerb

Most Likely To Get MC Eventually Lynched

1) Almost50 is town, and the fake-guilty is common knowledge.

This, rather blatantly shows that not only did

Maid Cafe

lie about the guilty, continued to pursue, but on top of that, lynched town.

2) Almost50 is scum, and the fake guilty is common knowledge.

With the fake-guilty known, that still creates uncertainty about how

Maid Cafe

came to that conclusion independent of the claim.

3) Almost50 is town, and Chara wasn't told about the fake guilty in the first place;

very similar situation here as to 4, but

Maid Cafe

becomes a wafflehouse to the playerlist, because nobody has accurate information or has talked to him to accurately deduce his reasons for the fake-guilty.

4) Almost50 is town, and he was lynched around the point the fake-guilty was stated;

this puts pressure on

Maid Cafe

indefinitely, but this also puts ANYONE that jumped onto his push toward

Almost50

in the spotlight as well.

5) Almost50 is scum, and Chara wasn't told about the fake guilty in the first place;

very similar situation here as to 6, but this just more likely creates a barrier of communication.

6) Almost50 is scum, and he was lynched around the point the fake-guilty was stated;

with little discussion,

Maid Cafe

will be deemed as a Town-esque PR, and nobody would be able to discredit him unless people push him on the pretenses that he bussed... but with almost no present strong reasoning.

Least Likely To Get MC Eventually Lynched

~~~~~~

I don't think I'm the best person to implement objective reasoning that much, but I can definitely understand the conflicting argument with

Maid Cafe

and I have been more uncertain of my read there since the fake-guilty became known.

That doesn't change my read on

Almost50

, however, I've talked to

Alisae

about this, and e's extremely adamant that

Maid Cafe

is town.

Alisae's

even told me e wouldn't ALLOW me to vote

Maid Cafe/Beeboy

, which makes me a bit less confident in my current reads. I'm working to be in sync with my partner, but there's not enough information to sway me either way at the moment in how to take the fake-guilty.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:20 am

Ugh.

2 minutes from deadline, hopefully I didn't misunderstand a question.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:44 pm

OKAY
THIS IS A FAIRLY EASY GAME
VOTE: TITAN

Here is why we go Titan.
Operation Maelstrom sounds great but
A. Wolves may not be able to even use their mechs in the first place and
B. Who fucking cares the game is solved.

And Parliament is just a newbtrap that might have been useful if we didn't have the game solved and thats information we needed, but we don't need that information.

Shutting down nightchat is far more effective then basicly everything on this list and helps move our domination foward, ESPECIALLY if we just start quicklynching things.
Wolves will have less time to cordinate and gather their actions, wolves will have less time to talk, overall its more effective if the game is solved at this point.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:44 pm

In post 4503, Chara wrote:it's confirmed that universe changes were not decided beforehand, now. everything was set up and then somehow after the game had been designed, the order was decided. i feel like the scumteam picked because the alternative is Varsoon choosing it randomly, and that would be pointless.
but everyone has probably already figured that out?

Someone picked it
who it is really doesn't matter to me that much.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:48 pm

I know my mechs can't be used till D4 and onwards and D something that isn't 3 and onwards so I'm assuming wolves might have something similar to that as well?

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:52 pm

In post 4508, Reasonably Rational wrote:1) a quicklynch is never happening in a game I'm in.

lolok cerby

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:54 pm

The only thing I'm willing to listen to at this point on mechanics is what my other TRs have to say, but even more then that what Bee says.
AND BEE IS DEAD.
SO NOW YOU HAVE ME
AND I WILL LYNCH ALL OF BEE'S READS MYSELF IF I HAVE TO.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:56 pm

Okay then you are Bee's voice for me and his vote.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:58 pm

Like Beeboy won the game for us.
If you notice that this game is a game that is won by Beeboy
Then we aren't focusing on learning information that we already know we're focusing on establishing dominance

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:00 pm

In post 4517, Chara wrote:pedit: if the game is won already it shouldn't matter, so let's just go with the most interesting one.

when you put that way I guess you're right.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:01 pm

but it is the least fun thing for wolves hence why I suggested it?
Idunno I like communicating in nights as a wolf and if that gets shut downt then thats a good thing

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:02 pm

tbh
as long as Baku Gamma Venmar get executed in a quick fashion I'm happy.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:04 pm

ur a 3rd party

but we're killing the end not u so idc

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:05 pm

In post 4500, Varsoon wrote:The Titan Offensive : The Scum Team loses access to their Night Chat.

@V - is this pernament across the whole game or just for 1 night

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:07 pm

Like if its only for 1 night then fine it fucking sucks.
But if its perma then wolves can't devise a plan that is nuanced

less time to plan equals better chances at victory this is common knowledge on how you win battles.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:09 pm

In post 4526, Creature wrote:Ugh, both Titan and Parliament looks exciting.

GIMMIE YOUR TITAN VOTE
GIMMIE THAT SWEET
SWEET
VOTE

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:11 pm

SEE
SEE
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:16 pm

If there was a puzzle that was still to be solved the Parlimanent is the obv go too choice.
But its likely Gamma/Baku just go in the hood and we get hardly any new information at all.

Disabling Mechs sounds great but as described in the mechanics posts, their usages are situational.
Not to mention if we disabled night chat and make the window of time they have to talk as limited as possible, then we're already forcing wolves to make suboptimal actions

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:33 pm

In post 4515, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4500, Varsoon wrote:
UC 0087 EARTH SPHERE STRATAGEMS:

Please vote on one of the following Stratagems:

The Titan Offensive :
The Scum Team loses access to their Night Chat.

Operation Maelstrom :
The Scum Team loses access to all of their 'Mobile Suit' abilities for the Day and Night.

Parliament at Dakar :
A special PT is opened with 4 players in it; at least one of the players in the PT is guaranteed to be Scum.
Titan Offensive is the worst option here and shouldn't be considered

Between the other two, I vote for Parliament as our best choice

Parliament

is the perfect way to create a dichotomy at the moment, and that is the last thing town needs. There is too much probability of WIFOM being created if we have a pool outside of the information we've already acquired based on flips.

It's also not a secret that there are plenty of PTs, which does not quite help here?

With

Maid Cafe's

townflip via NK, I feel that his case and his reads are more reliable.

Also,

Titan Offensive

is literally one of the most debilitating things that could be done to scum in this game. That literally weakens their ability to communicate within themselves upon the end of a day, and works to make them implode. Can you elaborate on why it's not a good option?

In post 4517, Chara wrote:also i agree, Titan is the least fun thing you could have picked. boo.
VOTE: Parliament
this game doesn't have enough PTs is the problem. i think it should have more.

pedit: if the game is won already it shouldn't matter, so let's just go with the most interesting one.

We're not going for fun, we're going for results.

In post 4532, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4524, Purple Heart wrote:Like if its only for 1 night then fine it fucking sucks.
But if its perma then wolves can't devise a plan that is nuanced

less time to plan equals better chances at victory this is common knowledge on how you win battles.
that doesn't remove day chat though I think

Just daytalk is much better for town than BOTH daytalk and nighttalk.

Varsoon wrote:
In post 4523, Purple Heart wrote:
In post 4500, Varsoon wrote:The Titan Offensive : The Scum Team loses access to their Night Chat.
@V - is this pernament across the whole game or just for 1 night

It's Permanent--lasts all game, regardless of theme.
Scum will still be able to submit their actions via PT, but that's all they'll be limited to--any post containing anything other than action submission will be deleted and any attempt to create a 'code' will result in a modkill.

I will not accept another strategem being voted.

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:19 pm

In post 4031, Maid Cafe wrote:I don't particularly care enough about ICing Chara I think we lose more by stalling out the day for another 6 irl days.

Especially given a few people completing a puzzle literally just outs them as scum if this is a fake claim so I don't think it ever is?

Like

Literally 100% of the time these are true.
A50 = Scum
Baku = Scum
Gamma = Scum

Venmar is probably just the last scum in this team.

Another important thing that needs to be established before we go full titan.

By Piling on votes on Titan, we are agreeing that
A. As soon as this phase is over, we naked vote ASAP Baku.
B. We then do the same with Gamma as soon as the next day starts
C. We keep on doing this until there is 1 wolf remaining, then we just stop because at that point Titan because useless.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:20 pm

Oh wait, I remember why I quoted that post.
Bee won the game I'm reposting all of the reasoning as to how and why.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:20 pm

In post 4031, Maid Cafe wrote:I don't particularly care enough about ICing Chara I think we lose more by stalling out the day for another 6 irl days.

Especially given a few people completing a puzzle literally just outs them as scum if this is a fake claim so I don't think it ever is?

Like

Literally 100% of the time these are true.
A50 = Scum
Baku = Scum
Gamma = Scum

Venmar is probably just the last scum in this team.

In post 4077, Maid Cafe wrote:I am going to go slow for a bit I have new things to say as well I just dwant to take this piece by piece.

We have a guilty on A50 and
A50 claiming to save Baku makes it highly likely Baku is scum since I was literally pushing Baku as though I had a guilty.
In addition them creating there hoods very close to EoD means they knew the day was ending

So playwise I take issue with them as well but does anyone not just understand these reasons?

In post 4086, Maid Cafe wrote:Gamma hasnt really been playing to his town game at all.
He wad disconnected all of day 1, mainly the same thing day 2.

Night 1 he chose to track {A50, Chara, Me, Bronya} which really just feels like him claiming 3 of his scum tracks. Generally he has just ignored or treated his targets as town which I think is a disconnect from a player who submitted those actions. And him explaining his role was dodgy af.
(I am not sure how the above is not enough he simply just isnt playing like town gamma and has non sensical actions.)

In addition Varsoon is a mod who will check synergies and make sure his game just isnt strictly broken. Varsoon would easily miss checking to see if scum and town roles are broken together while designing multiple games over night.

Our pacifist role is we can target 5 people and check to see if they preformed an action night 1. Gamma can claim before us so there isnt overlap so us + Gamma can check like 9 different slots + ourselves which is 11/15 slots. So i dont really think us and Gamma coexist mechanically since we basically so the same thing and we do it over way too many slots in addition to the vast amount of play based reasons that make him scum 100% of the time.

In post 4087, Maid Cafe wrote:
And after catching 3 scum in a row just lynch venmar since i am too lazy to explain that read

This is a reminder that these posts have won the game for us already so we sheep them

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:35 pm

Titus Mech usage was described as situational.
I don't think the clears are really needed at this point and I doubt we have any way to really prove that the people that DO need to be cleared did use their mechs (Dunn)

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:36 pm

In post 4544, Titus wrote:
In post 4524, Purple Heart wrote:Like if its only for 1 night then fine it fucking sucks.
But if its perma then wolves can't devise a plan that is nuanced

less time to plan equals better chances at victory this is common knowledge on how you win battles.
That's factually incorrect. Some of my best scumworks came in plain sight. It was years ago but :/

Thank god we're not dealing with wolf!Titus

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:38 pm

Titus talk to Chara you're not alone.
Plus Chara can transfer over to me if you need my imput.

pedit: No I'm saying I think its hard to actually prove who used mechs.

Actually let me reread mechanics

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:39 pm

Yeah okay Titus we don't really have a way of seeing who used Mecs so that method of clear won't really work.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:41 pm

Honestly I feel like Titan just helps us assert dominance because wolves can't communicate but honestly
I don't think I care that much It doesn't change my lynch order.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:41 pm

which is Bee's lynch order btw.

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:06 pm

In post 4550, Reasonably Rational wrote:Yeah, no, parliament is still best. Titan is *closer*, but you know what our objective is? Catching scum. Know what Titan doesn't do? Help us catch scum. At all.

*shrug* like, what if the pt is 4 people nobody suspected?? That's literally invaluable.
-Cerb

My biggest setback on

Parliament

is that while there is confirmed scum in the pool, the other 3 players may all be town.

I'm pretty confident in my scumreads at the moment, and

Parliament

to me, would serve only to POSSIBLY verify a 4th scum, assuming we have that many.

So my thought is:

Parliament

COULD be effective in granting town new information, but lynching through a pool to confirm the scum puts other townies at risk.

Titan

, on the other hand, definitively weakens the scumteam and makes it difficult for them to plan out their game, assuming they likely have powers that townies don't.

Parliament CAN

greatly help game solve, but at a potential cost.

Titan WILL

definitely target scum, and while it may not help game solve, it gives them less control of the game.

I genuinely feel that

Maid Cafe

was NKed because he was extremely accurate with his scumreads, and/or had merit to his reasons of thought revolving around the game.

I can see the prospect and appeal here; but someone's going to have to sell it to me on how this outweighs scum losing night talk.

P-Edit

Gamma,

I still don't understand the

Iconeum

scumread. Make a case on why his D1 play is generally scummy, and how he is associated with

Baku

and

Venmar

. It's been 3 dayphases, and I still haven't seen adequate reasoning of your longest-running scumread.

Please... PLEASE,

Gamma

. Do not tell me you FoS

Iconeum

BECAUSE he didn't magically guess the alternative name of this game correctly.

Also, what is your view of the strategems?

~ Taly

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Iconeum
> Makes Wolfyposts
> Townreading it because Skyburd is treating it as an IC
> Is not a wolf

OnTheMark
> MathBlade. MATHBLADE. Nuff said.
> Died N1 because A50 was mechanicly caught by Math.

Shining Dreamers (Hydra: Yume & Mastina)
> mastina was going to let Yume dominate the hydra
> mastina dominates the hydra
> Both heads scumread obvtown
> Was the D1 lynch
> Got A50 to out himself.

Chara
> Is literally the most obvious town to ever town
> Has fakeclaimed multiple things dispite not wanting to be the obvious town to ever town.
> Still is the most obvious town to ever town
> Puzzles
> has hoods with everyone even after death

Baku and Munna (Hydra: Randomidget & Shiro)
> Knew D1 was ending so made hoods as soon as possible
> Is a mechanically outed wolf

Maid Cafe (Hydra: Maki Harukawa & Beeboy)
> A hydra composed of the best wolfplayer and the best townplayer in the game.
> Creates the perfect masonry
> Literally obvious town even though they faked a guilty
> Literally won the game for town because his reads were literally the Bee's Knees
> So fucking sheep this

Creature
> Lurks
> Then Obvtowns
> Then Lurks again
> Then Obvtowns again

Bronya Zaychik (Hydra: Titus & Kiana Kaslana)
> Another vote to help support Bee.
> Can't think of anyhting else besides that

Almost50
> Fakeclaimed that their vote was stolen from them
> Lolhammered mastina over their prefered gamma scumread
> Was an outed wolf
> Had a guilty faked on them
> Selfhammered because they thought the guilty was real
> Said they would vig Maid Cafe no matter what if they were given a vig KEK

Reasonably Rational (Hydra: Cerberus v666 & Drixx)
> Wait Drixx is in this game?
> Surprisingly hard to work with
> The towny that wants to push the most pro-wolf reads
> Probably a playstyle clash

SnarkySnowman
> Is Treestumped and irrelevant
> Is still wondering when we're going back to M:TG

Gamma Emerald & Brass
> Brass was caught via ElliTell
> Proceeds to then replace out
> Gamma's posts were wolfy D1
> D2 Gamma thinks he has a chance
> Gamma Tracks literally 3 obvious town and claims he was sorting people KEK

Taly
> Claimed their role D1 for no reason
> Got pushed for it
> flaked
> Agrees to almost everything Ali presents.
> Is a furry
> Is cringy
> Does work for Ali when Ali requests it <3

Alisae
> Obvtowned the slot as soon as e came in
> Pushed town D1
> Is sheeping Bee for the rest of the game

Skybird
> The dedicated mislynch
> never got misylnched
> is extremely obvious town

Micc
> Pushed Taly for being bad
> Was Wolfy
> Flaked.

nancy drew 39
> Replaced in
> Obvtowned the slot
> Was given a jigsaw puzzle that took days to solve
> Is probably still attempting to figure out the jigsaw puzzle
> Probably has 0 idea of what is going on besides that

Venmar
> Was relevant.
> After the guilty got outed literally stopped posting.
> Is the powerwolf

Dunnstral
> Wait Dunnstral is in this game?

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:06 pm

What a video game kek

Purple Heart · Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:24 pm

Waiting for Bee's call but that doesn't change the fact that Baku dies then Gamma.