Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

Maybe riku over pine? (

so riku for dram?

[Wisdom]

it's like scum have 10 members instead of 3 and TRYING TO KILL THEMSELVES IS THE FASTEST WAY TO WIN THE GAME

dude
pine trying to kill himself is not town indicative
theres a fucking guilty on group 2
he knows hes dying

[Wisdom]

eddie who do you swap if you know me and kokichi are town

[Wisdom]

I think the best solution would be to POE the most likely scum from Koki's result in G2 and put them in G3 for the lynch. zMuff swaps with riku (or Pine) and Wisdom swaps Pine (or Riku) and whoever his strongest remaining TR in G3 is. This ends up with all three pr claims in G2 plus BuJaber and Wisdom's G3 townread. And G3 is left with Pine, Riku, and 2 of (RMOJ/Dram/SirCakez). And depending on the outcome we might be able to confirm Koki's claim.

cool, fitz gets it

[Wisdom]

I believe everyone has spoken

Swap Riku and REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

VOTE: group 3

[Wisdom]

dram doesnt believe in reads
dont bother

[Wisdom]

If we're switching me for Muffin (my weakest SR in 3), I'll happily go down with that ship.

wtf this makes no sense
Why are you still campaigning for your death now that we're not lynching you

[Wisdom]

VOTE: group 3

[Wisdom]

lol

[Wisdom]

eddie are you scum? ffs

[Wisdom]

after my swap lynching group 2 has a chance of lynching 5 town. You dont even have the probabilities argument anymore. This is just ego. Or scum wincon.

[Wisdom]

Waiting for Muffin to swap me to G3.

i regret not swapping pine
this makes no sense

[Wisdom]

hey buddy

i said about 5 times

we are lynching group 2 and you can swap kok out for a group 3 if you want and that was it

i am doing this on principal i don't really care

principal is a shit excuse
you're trying to lynch 4, potentially 5 town now

[Wisdom]

dram you're boring and im glad youre dying

if youre town you should look up what scumhunting is and use it instead of relying on roles and mechanics

[Wisdom]

Waiting for Muffin to swap me to G3.

i regret not swapping pine
this makes no sense

Muffin's another switcher, right?

I thought the plan was to swap RMOJ-riku and Pine-Muffin, then lynch 3 for a solid chance at a clean scum sweep.

You know yourself to be town.
Why do you want to be switched into group 3?
Do you expect Riku to flip town?

[Wisdom]

I am so widely scumread that I am GOING to be lynched eventually. I want to be lynched NOW so I am not the cause of a ML which brings Townies down with me later in the game.

then you expect riku to flip town

[Wisdom]

My plan was and is the best way to kill multiple scum and save the most amount of town

[Wisdom]

yeah its not like we lose faster if we lose more town
its not like we lose valuable prs
who cares how many town die

[Wisdom]

I think we have a VERY GOOD chance of catching the entire scumteam of {dramonic, Cakez, Riku} in one swoop for the LOW LOW price of my lynch.

the point is we DONT need your swap for that

[Wisdom]

what if you just saved ROJ and possibly Pine?

it's not like the game will end today
If Riku flips town, Pine is scum
If dram and Cakez are town, then ROJ is probscum

[Wisdom]

I like lynching group 2

yeah youre scum
you're playing both sides and now that youre in danger you went to the other side

[Wisdom]

Theres no fucking way we lynch group 2 after my swap
Whoever suggests this is either scum or incredibly stupid or mad his ego didnt win

[Wisdom]

dram if youre town im sad
If you think I ever was the person to ignore my fucking reads and rely on fucking mechanics you thought wrongly of me
Reads and dayplay is above everything

[Wisdom]

cakez/riku/eddie current guess

[Wisdom]

wisdom, if you were in group 3 with the current group of people would you self vote?

yes. even if muffin swapped me there id still lynch g3.

[Wisdom]

it doesnt matter
theres no way we lynch g2 now
you know that

[Wisdom]

im okay with that eddie

[Wisdom]

im not, but still glad hes dying

less toxicity

[Wisdom]

we dont need input
we need muffin to inevitably save himself and then lynch group 3
if eddie can do something like add one more person to the group like hes softing thats good too

[Wisdom]

it still makes zero sense to include yourself in that

[Wisdom]

cakez is more likely scum than pine though
this tunnel is bs

[Wisdom]

we already knew he would switch kokichi

[Wisdom]

pine if you want to have a chance at lynching 3 scum d1 like youre claiming you dont fucking include yourself
that goes against your chances

[Wisdom]

because im trying to understand wtf hes doing
i think hes town but its nonsense

[Wisdom]

If Muffin wanted to move BuJaber into G3 I'd vote that too.

No way. Bu is town.

[Wisdom]

If it's not you it's Riku
I don't need to think beyond this
muffin should swap with g1 scum

@pine

[Wisdom]

fitz

[Wisdom]

either dont swap, swap with pine, or swap with fitz

all three work for me

[Wisdom]

i more get the impression pine is scum who knows riku is flipping town
hes both trying to get attention on bu (as alternative guilty in g2) and trying to mindfuck muffin into not swapping him into g3

[Wisdom]

it occurs to me there's probably 4 group-manipulating roles in this game

swapper, self-swapper, mover, self-mover

that would be nice symmetry; kudos to implosion for thinking that up, if that's the case

do you expect them to be all town?

[Wisdom]

he meant doesnt

[Wisdom]

no, i already mentioned this
theyre not likely scum together but its not impossible

[Wisdom]

What should have happened is an unofficial vote for who muffin swaps and an unofficial vote for who wisdom swaps and we go with majority for both and if muffin/wisdom don't comply we treat them as confscum.

yeah that would maybe work in a playerlist that wasnt adamant about lynching me and kokichi

[Wisdom]

Your strategy sacrifices long-term town gain for the short term small victory.

Amen

Stop wanting to sacrifice a bunch of townies to get a single scum
Use your fucking head, get reads, and go for the biggest amount of scum you can get in one day

[Wisdom]

that wasnt to bu if that was unclear

[Wisdom]

Riku is mimicking pine which makes me hopeful theyre both scum
When youre town in a guilty group you want to lynch the actual scum, not yourself

[Wisdom]

Im talking about now. It makes no sense from your pov to want to lynch g3 or to be moved back to g2.

Just like it makes no sense for Pine to want to be moved to g3.

@riku

[Wisdom]

The funny part is that when we net 2-3 scum as a result of my plan dram muffin and co will just call me "lucky" and "you just flipped a coin for your reads" and stuff
Ive seen it a million times

[Wisdom]

Yeah thats what Pine said too and its still nonsense
You know youre town. Being in a lynchgroup means one more slot in it that 100% doesnt have scum in it. Not something you should want as town.

[Wisdom]

Who cares about the eyes of others
You reduce the possibilities of scum getting lynched when you put yourself, who you know is town, in a lynchgroup

[Wisdom]

Because its lamist

The shallow impression you get from "lynch me" is "that guy wants to be lynched, probably isnt scum"

[Wisdom]

what?

Lamist is an acronym for "look at me im so town"

[Wisdom]

agreed, pine is the best swap

[Wisdom]

what?

Lamist is an acronym for "look at me im so town"

LAMIST. Not Lamist.

seeing as you know it, pretending not to understand is just more scummy

[Wisdom]

Idk, I know it makes zero sense for town

Anyway this discussion is pointless. Youre dying either way

[Wisdom]

more in postgame if you're town

[Wisdom]

except i don't know it's them for sure so i want to eliminate scummy people along with pine and Riku instead of myself and two townreads

@muffin

[Wisdom]

Now then, if you lynch group 3 with Pine and Riku and find neither of them are scum, what is your plan? You can be wrong and I hope you remember this

Then it would mean bu or kokichi is scum and id act accordingly

[Wisdom]

go ahead

[Wisdom]

heres the self mover muffin was talking about

muffin and cakez are probably TvS

[Wisdom]

We have a swapper, a selfswapper, a selfmover, and a mover soft

Its obvious it exists

[Wisdom]

If youre town dont use it
You flipping town makes muffin most likely scum
If both of you survive today we get no info in that front
And i assume thats why muffin wants you to use it

[Wisdom]

I think scum has at least one role to save themselves from a lynching group

[Wisdom]

muffin is more likely the scum here but no way he will just let us kill them
While cakez at least entertains the possibility of not using it

[Wisdom]

We are never fucking lynching g2
You trying to only makes you look worse

[Wisdom]

Also nice perspective there
I said it the moment you suggested those roles exist that not all are town
Yet you make it appear as if its something i came up with now

[Wisdom]

btw, wisdom, do you currently think dram is scum or why did you switch your choice to the REAL MAN?

No, I think hes town
I just think realman is townier
Bonus that dram is toxic and im good with him dying

[Wisdom]

The question was a means of saying i think theyre not all town, thats obvious

[Wisdom]

but for someone who has been so strongly pushing that we shouldn't make the OPTIMAL CHOICE because of reads, i find it hilarious that you can push that angle without blinking an eyelid

You're acting as if im pushing something thats against my reads
Its been no secret im scumreading you and cakez

[Wisdom]

Muffin could just be bad town. I dont see why he'd keep arguing as scum when he can save himself

Because hes now trying to lynch group 2 and save his buddies

[Wisdom]

no

i'm pointing out that you're now making a strictly mechanical claim (that one of cakez and i must be scum based on role)

this isn't a reads-based claim

Yes but who i want to lynch and what i want to do is still dependent on my reads first

[Wisdom]

Also, come on people. A role that can only move itself has ZERO Town utility and TONS of scum utility. Cakez is scumzor.

Not necessarily
The mod might want us to think that
You dont judge a claim at face value

[Wisdom]

from your POV, the only one i could possibly be scum with in this group is riku

Riku, sure
Or i could be wrong about dram abd cakez
Or you could be trying to avoid having to swap pine/g1 scum into 3
In any case trying to lynch g2 is scum motivated

[Wisdom]

Id rather he died but yes

[Wisdom]

muffin is shading me and trying to turn people against me
surpise surprise

[Wisdom]

Muffin you can manipulate my words all you want

What im saying here is clear

Youre trying to lynch g2 because it benefits scum

[Wisdom]

Whether its because its all town, or because you have buddies in g3, or because you are forced to use your role, or whatever else, i dont know and cant know
I just know theres scum intent here

[Wisdom]

I am not
But now that cakez claimed this you figure that his flip will incriminate you further
So youre pushing g2 even more

[Wisdom]

Yes, again, all the group roles arent town
And specifically the self-targetting ones are good for scum so they can save themselves

[Wisdom]

Im twisting nothing
Yes, you have weakly pushed g2 while entertaining going with our swapping plans
After the claim youre pushing it harder and even trying to paint me as scum to make it more viable

[Wisdom]

You on the other hand are twisting things to paint me as scum
"Wisdom cant possibly talk about mechanics because he puts his reads over them"
As if I said that mechanics hold zero value or as if I am pushing something that goes against my reads

[Wisdom]

Sure, mine can too, but its not as direct as self-targetting ones

[Wisdom]

Hey fun question.
What do you do if both Cakez and Muffin swap into group 1?

that would be bad because we'd miss out on killing pine and riku

[Wisdom]

yo Wisdom, stop trying to shade muffin and paint his actions as scum.
See how stupid it sounds?

So i should just let him manipulate town into thinking im scum then?

[Wisdom]

Like im scumreading him and i see scum motivation in what hes doing
Should i not point it out?

[Wisdom]

you're using an assumption about the setup to push a mechanical idea (that cakez or i must be scum) and you're trying to pass it off as "reads-based"

there is nothing reads-based about this assumption and there's no actual reason to assume that cakez and i must be a T-S pair, but you're pushing the idea like one of us flipping town would incriminate the other

Again.
Im scumreading both you and cakez.
You both claimed self-targetting group motivating roles.
I think scum should have one of those.
Cakez feels townier than you.
Thus my current thoughts re you being scum and cakez being town.
All of this is transparent in ny posts.

[Wisdom]

I am not
But now that cakez claimed this you figure that his flip will incriminate you further
So youre pushing g2 even more

This sounds like you think I'm town now??

I do, I've said so

[Wisdom]

And this doesn't work the other way because...?

It does
Do I think thats the case? No

[Wisdom]

That doesn't answer the question.

What is the question? Tell me what the three groups are and if amy actions are available

[Wisdom]

Then eddie probably flips scum
But i find that unlikely, scum probably have one of the direct self-targetting roles

[Wisdom]

Also i consider myself pretty transparent and obvtown in this game so i have a very hard time seeing what muffin is doing as town

[Wisdom]

Group 1: Cakez, Muffin, 3 of {Fitz, DV, Eddie, NSG}
Group 2: Wisdom, Koki, Buj, Pine, RMOJ
Group 3: Dram, Riku, one of {Fitz, DV, Eddie, NSG}

Let's pick DV cuz you don't appear to have a read on him.

If you put Fitz or Eddie in G3, then G3
Otherwise G1

[Wisdom]

But again, this would be a waste
Ideally I want to lynch as many I can from {Pine, Riku, muffin, Cakez, Eddie, Fitz} and save as many as I can from the rest

[Wisdom]

Dram, i thought that was already clear
My reads matter more than probabilities to me

[Wisdom]

But again, this would be a waste
Ideally I want to lynch as many I can from {Pine, Riku, muffin, Cakez, Eddie, Fitz} and save as many as I can from the rest

And before someone twists this
Cakez is not a scumread currently because i don't think both he and muffin are scum
But his flip still helps sort muffin (and possibly Eddie when he confirms he has the fourth role)
Just like pine and riku probably arent both scum yet both flipping is best

[Wisdom]

so half the game is scum.
Plus me for good measure.

Man those are some risky reads you're putting out there.

lel
see previous post

[Wisdom]

Wis why did you take realmen out of your murder pool?

Because I'm townreading him
Hence moving him to g2
I had some paranoia about the mindmelding but the simpler answer is hes just town

[Wisdom]

to constantly changing your tune about who's actually scum in your group and with who

yeah forgive me for adapting my reads based on happenings

[Wisdom]

Im not fucking saying i disregard probabilities or mechanics completely
Im saying my reads take priority
ffs

[Wisdom]

dram youre just disliking the way i do things
Push that aside and stop helping scum shade me

[Wisdom]

I only said pine and riku have a chance of being both scum based on them both acting the same nonsensical way (asking to be placed in the lynchgroup)
I still dont think thats very likely despite that, though i want them both flipped because i am not sure which of the two is the scum

[Wisdom]

which should also be clear while reading my exchange with riku

[Wisdom]

At first i was scumreading kokichi too so lynching g2 was ideal
Then koki claimed and obvtowned so that got reduced to 2 likely scum vs 3 town
And again, "There could be two" is not something im pushing now, just something that came to mind after riku's behavior earlier

[Wisdom]

Also i didnt ignore anyone
People wanted dram to die
Nsg suggested swapping riku and not pine
I acknowledged those

[Wisdom]

btw, your entire swap plan seemed to be based on the assumption that swapping out exactly one of pine/riku was better than keeping both in the group and trying to swap another scum player in there

Yes, my thinking has always been only one of them is scum

[Wisdom]

Making riku confscum doesnt help if scum put them in a group full of town tomorrow
We should lynch scum today

[Wisdom]

Which is why lynching both pine and riku is best

[Wisdom]

lynching g2 is fucking gamethrowing
I've moved the only one of two who can be scum out of g2
We have to pray pine is scum and even then we lose 4 town

[Wisdom]

Tell me that when lynching g3 doesnt net us at least 2 scum
Until then it was the right move

[Wisdom]

I think he tends to read me well

we have two completed games together, one ages ago
Where does this come from

[Wisdom]

I think G1 should be left out of the shuffling and not targeted today at least.

Why? What makes G1 town?

[Wisdom]

Tell me that when lynching g3 doesnt net us at least 2 scum
Until then it was the right move

A wrong move can net good results.
That doesn't make it not a wrong move.

who cares if its wrong on theory
My goal is to lynch scum
If my move lynches more scum then its the right move

[Wisdom]

Anyway fitz: I think g1 should contain one scum and both nsg and dv are townier than you. I found myself agreeing with dv's case on you, you felt different than the last game, more awkward and focusing on the wrong things
I consider eddie too but youre a likely g1 scum

[Wisdom]

Your goal is to save your own ass.
Don't try to paint it on any other light.

dude.
Just dont play with me if youre going to do this.

[Wisdom]

sorry, but which two scum are you imagining netting here?

because you've said you're assuming cakez and dram are town and only one of pine and riku is scum

pine or riku
you or cakez

ofc if its you and not cakez youre going to save yourself which is why id rather you die, but i dont control that

[Wisdom]

i was already scumreading both of you before any claims so mechanics are irrelevant

[Wisdom]

not something I control
I put one of my two g2 scumreads in g3 with my g3 scumreads

[Wisdom]

No, ill still lynch g3 even in that case, but that's a terrible move regardless

[Wisdom]

Again, judge me after the results

[Wisdom]

for scum it's good, sure
You dodge swapping with actual scum

[Wisdom]

But then my townflip combined with a cakez townflip will wreck you, so you wont do it

[Wisdom]

If you randomly stab a dude who just turns out to be a bad person, you still stabbed a dude.
It doesn't magically make the stabbing okay

Except my reads arent random
I called it didnt i

[Wisdom]

sadly muffin will swap whoever he wants if we try to lynch it as is

compare with cakez who is open to flipping if it helps

[Wisdom]

not happening

i am 100% swapping with someone from G2 if it comes to lynching G3

but you're right, i should just go with my own reads and disregard public opinion

And if public opinion is you should flip?

[Wisdom]

I'm asking, if public opinion wants you to not use your swap and just die with the rest of G3. Will you do it?

[Wisdom]

after sleeping on it, i decided i no longer give enough of a shit about this to do something selfish myself. i'll either use my role or not use my role depending on where public opinion sways

That's not what you said earlier

[Wisdom]

not really
it felt like you felt defeated and you knew we're lynching g3 in that post

[Wisdom]

really? then why cakez is open to staying in g3? is he scum? no, he understands that town knowing he is town via flip is important and maybe even better than saving himself
is this hard to understand for you?

[Wisdom]

right, now it's a matter of what's optimal

sorry but the only thing im reading is "im not staying here to die because im scum"

[Wisdom]

im not trying to paint anything

im just pointing out what youre doing

[Wisdom]

if town wanted you to sacrifice yourself, it means they wouldnt trust you
meaning you being alive would be a detriment to solving the game
while you being dead would give credibility to everything youve said
it is something you should be considering as town

[Wisdom]

pine and riku are asking to specifically be placed in the lynching group when they are not in it

you are in it

[Wisdom]

There is

They shouldnt want to be MOVED to a lynching group while they are not in it

You are already in the group and want to LEAVE it

[Wisdom]

Again, those quotes were about Riku wanting to put himself in the lynchgroup. It makes no sense to do that from a town pov.
You staying in if enough people want it is different and makes sense from a town pov.

[Wisdom]

anyway the good thing is that whoever you swap in there will flip and that will prove what Im saying
especially if it ends up being me

[Wisdom]

like you can spend the whole day misrepping me but your action will still speak for itself in the end

[Wisdom]

it is
read again

[Wisdom]

Muffin you need to swap quickly because deadline before lynch occurs is auto scum win.

on deadline the group with most votes gets lynched. dont worry

[Wisdom]

If no majority exists at deadline, whichever group has the most votes will be lynched.

[Wisdom]

I said it from the beginning realmen was my choice
But sure keep acting like it was sudden

[Wisdom]

Bu said he didnt want dramonic to be saved
And honestly, I dont want him to be saved either when he continues being toxic to me
So good luck obscuring the town motivation in my choice

[Wisdom]

oh please do
i said a lot of times id swap realmen

[Wisdom]

the only time i considered dram was when i saw dv townreading him, when you kept inexplicably townreading him, and when i felt paranoid about realmen

[Wisdom]

Wisdom if my brain is not making up memories you claimes before koki yes?

no, after kokichi

[Wisdom]

yeah muffin, between 1001 and 1057 people spoke

[Wisdom]

if i didnt care i wouldnt have waited for people to speak, i would have swapped who i wanted instantly

i listened to my townreads and tried to do what's best for most. bu didnt want dram to be saved, nsg prefered riku to be swapped

[Wisdom]

Relevant posts

Maybe riku over pine? (After rechecking bujaber townread / meta)

Haven't played against scum pine yet but I've scumread him as town before for weird behaviour. Still not confident riku is scum and not just scummy town, though.

I'm not dealing with dram. He dies today. Regardless he will tunnel me and I dont have time for bad votes. Using what possibly might be our only 2 swaps day 1 is stupid

Bu and whoever else scumreads dram: No matter how stupid I think he's being here with sticking to the probabilities and such I think he is being genuine here. Cakez is waffly and I think has decent chances of being scum. Realmen agreeing with me makes me think he could be scum buddying me. muffin is going to use his swap. So I think dram's the best choice here.

Dram and muffin kept saying they wanted to lynch group 2 as is to "guarantee 1 scum dead". When I suggested seaps that guarantee 1 scum dead plus a possible 2nd or 3rd they ignored it.
They're not being genuine. They're trying to nuke this game by appealing to emotion to get townread or frustrating the motivation to play out of the players. Exhausted / emotional town make bad decisions.

Wis before you swap I'd recheck the bujaber townread. That'd be how this turns disastrous.

its ok i really think bujaber is town here

he's always more of an asshole when town

Do you know me? Who are you?



@fitz - I think you read the old version of my proposal(s). I'd like to hear your thoughts on the recent ones.
Though to me I can compromise on anything else as long as:
1. Muffin and wisdom announce their swaps before they do them.
2. Muffin swaps first.
3. Pine and riku are both lynched.

And dramon lynch would be a bonus that I think would give us an additional scum lynch.

Anything else I am flexible about.

[Wisdom]

So talk to me again about how I didnt listen to my townreads

[Wisdom]

dv yes, eddie no

[Wisdom]

1001 was telling my townreads that i want dram to be saved and that while I respect their opinion, that's who I want to save

i was feeling paranoid about realmen at that point

[Wisdom]

really? then why cakez is open to staying in g3? is he scum? no, he understands that town knowing he is town via flip is important and maybe even better than saving himself
is this hard to understand for you?

Whatever happened to your hard-on for saving town?

Im only townreading cakez because his claim means hes not scum with muffin
Otherwise ive been scumreading him
Instead of blindly accusing everything i do actually open your eyes

[Wisdom]

dram becoming yume probably

[Wisdom]

Group 3 is L-2 right?

yes
Nsg and fitz are likely to vote it as well so we're good

[Wisdom]

Actually l-3
Bu was already voting g3

[Wisdom]

vote g3 so we get to less boring stuff sooner

[Wisdom]

VOTE: group 3

[Wisdom]

thank you for your input

[Wisdom]

riku/muffin

and one of fitz/eddie/dv in that order of likelihood

[Wisdom]

i miss the days people could tell im town

[Wisdom]

well I did swap riku and not you, didnt I
sorry, I have more experience with kokichi and bu so I was more confident there

[Wisdom]

sure

[Wisdom]

Also he did swap with pine so we can lynch pine/riku so like even if he's scum he's being nice there.

if riku is his buddy that doesnt help us much
it just kills pine-town instead of himself

[Wisdom]

Riku is likely scum so it doesnt matter. I think it is cakes/riku/fitz

how can cakez be scum
he didnt use his selfmove to save himself

[Wisdom]

more like it would be a scumclaim if you switched me
while pine is at least acceptable by people

[Wisdom]

muffin, duh

[Wisdom]

lets not forget the setup spec aspect

I, the swapper, am town
Cakez, the self-mover, is flipping town
I have a hard time seeing both the self-swapper and the mover being town, meaning there should be at least one scum in {muffin, Eddie}

[Wisdom]

be not being scum doesnt cross your mind huh

[Wisdom]

except im not bad and we're about to have the g2 guilty flip so

[Wisdom]

okay dram
cya in postgame

[Wisdom]

consider the possibility im town and hes scum
he cant swap me because me AND cakez flipping town is bad for him

[Wisdom]

sorry guys i did fuck up after all.
fwiw I think kokichi is more likely scum than bu

[Wisdom]

Also still think there should be scum in the group prs, so with cakez town muffin and/or eddie are scum

consider my vote on group 2

[Wisdom]

Because you wanted g2 lynched
Gets 4 town lynched and saves your buddies

[Wisdom]

i still think bu is different than his scumself

[Wisdom]

he feels fake as scum
I knew he was scum in clown after i read a few posts

[Wisdom]

^scum
why the fuck would you do that

[Wisdom]

though this at least guarantees a scumlynch, from my pov at least

but it fucking saves muffin once again

[Wisdom]

yeah and since when do you care about my pov? especially if i have a chance of being scum as youre saying

[Wisdom]

if kokichi is the only scum in g3 its almost certain eddie and muffin are the other two

[Wisdom]

no, wait a second

if kokichi is the only scum in g3 we lose by lynching g3

eddie scumclaimed

[Wisdom]

of course you are

[Wisdom]

except we arent stupid
eddie's action is transparently scum

[Wisdom]

its muffin instead of nsg but yeah

[Wisdom]

yeah eddie's excuse is bs
i suppose scum waited to see if we're gonna scumread bu over kokichi, and when that didnt happen they moved kokichi to g3 so we lose when we lynch him

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@Wisdom...you're saying you think scum would put all their eggs in one basket today? And Eddie's move of Koki (pending it actually happening) is for show? I'll worry about alignment based links for Koki when he flips.

what "show"?
Eddie moving Kokichi there means that we now can't lynch for the guilty because if the guilty is the only scum in g3 scum win the game

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I think there is no way in he// scum puts all three of their players in the same group.

They do when they have a mover

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right, i hadnt even thought of that
he had the option to move him to g1 and moved him to g3

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lol kokichi only now "realizing"

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yeah who would have thought
its not like theres a guilty and its either you or bu

[Wisdom]

VOTE: group 2

[Wisdom]

ive already said youre both scum so tough luck muffin

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exactly
other than me and bu im not sure anyone will actually agree with lynching g2

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muffin even if youre town

eddie isnt

the group manipulating roles arent going to be all town

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how is it a bad use
it makes kokichi unlynchable

[Wisdom]

maybe its nsg/eddie/kokichi instead

the fact remains we are forced to go for eddie rather than kokichi

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im not considering it because all the roles are not town
also because it makes zero sense
he could move him to g1 if he was so afraid, where we could still lynch him without losing
but no, he picked g3
which we cant lynch without losing

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not to mention what bu said
there need to be 2 votes before scum can quickhammer, meaning bu's vote didn't cause any danger
so eddie using it as an excuse is utter bs

[Wisdom]

why are you okay with eddie being dumb as town but not okay with eddie being dumb as scum

[Wisdom]

VOTE: group 3

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nevermind, youre right
eddie being town is more likely than him acting so obviously as scum