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Wisdom is town

see what I don’t like about this setup is that it’s so fucking scumsided.

in normal games for every scum that die, a town gets nightkilled

over here a fuckton of town die even if we bag a scum because of this AoE group bullshit

With varying degrees of subtlety group 3 has people from each of the 3 groups willing to vote for it.
Could be scum lead.


Pedit - RMOJ yeah but they still have to keep doing these partititions every day thereafter. It might end faster but I think it's probably balanced.

In post 198, Wisdom wrote:

In post 160, riku wrote:The fact that only people in group 2 are voting group 2 is now worrying me. Wisdom, how does it suggest scum in our midst?

In post 162, riku wrote:That makes sense, but what if thet just dont want to be suspected for going for the ez target?

In post 181, riku wrote:I still feel lynching my group is the best idea

One of these is not like the others

... It's called a joke.

2 of {Kokichi, Pine, Riku}
1 of {Eddie, Realmen, Cakez}

In post 203, riku wrote:.. It's called a joke.

What was a joke?

In post 202, BuJaber wrote:With varying degrees of subtlety group 3 has people from each of the 3 groups willing to vote for it.
Could be scum lead.


Pedit - RMOJ yeah but they still have to keep doing these partititions every day thereafter. It might end faster but I think it's probably balanced.

one more time I hear “BULLSHIT THEORY HERE is SCUM LED” im going to kill a fucking pigeon right here

holy fuck! We are 10 town to 3 scum, we out number them 3 to 1! NOTHING is scum led, everything is town led! fuck!

In post 204, Wisdom wrote:2 of {Kokichi, Pine, Riku}
1 of {Eddie, Realmen, Cakez}

see these partitions are much better but NOOOO we have to follow shit ass bullshit SCUM-MADE partitions where EVERYONE dies

But we kinda do have one of these partitions
You just have to vote it

Oh, you did, nvm

In post 206, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:

In post 202, BuJaber wrote:With varying degrees of subtlety group 3 has people from each of the 3 groups willing to vote for it.
Could be scum lead.


Pedit - RMOJ yeah but they still have to keep doing these partititions every day thereafter. It might end faster but I think it's probably balanced.

one more time I hear “BULLSHIT THEORY HERE is SCUM LED” im going to kill a fucking pigeon right here

holy fuck! We are 10 town to 3 scum, we out number them 3 to 1! NOTHING is scum led, everything is town led! fuck!

!!!

Finally someone who isn't playing as if it's 10-scum and 3-town!

That said, I find BuJaber's paranoia about everything being scum-led, pretty town.

Okay maybe "scum-led" is too agressive... how about "scum-influenced". You don't think 3 scum can "inception" town into getting 7 votes together?

Scum never have majority. What they have is knowledge that they use to manipulate townies to vote for the wagon they want.

In post 204, Wisdom wrote:2 of {Kokichi, Pine, Riku}
1 of {Eddie, Realmen, Cakez}

So by PoE you are putting dramon and fitz in the town pile.


I'm not comfortable dropping my suspicion of them yet.
It would be okay if fitz was also in group 3 but him being a suspect brings all 3 groups into play.

And I have sneaking suspicion that if it's a 1/1/1 split then nsg is behind it. (Obviously they can't be together in that case)

Let's just bite the bullet and vote group 2.
Worst case scenario we have 5-3 left but we would know for sure that one groups 1 & 3 HAD to have at least 2 scum in it, which would make associative reads easier.

Basically that worst case scenario doesn't seem terrible so it's worth it.

In post 213, BuJaber wrote:Let's just bite the bullet and vote group 2.
Worst case scenario we have 5-3 left but we would know for sure that one groups 1 & 3 HAD to have at least 2 scum in it, which would make associative reads easier.

Basically that worst case scenario doesn't seem terrible so it's worth it.

Unless the next partitions are worse

Agreed with bu

riku is so flipping red

In post 216, Wisdom wrote:riku is so flipping red

I mean, you can think what you want.
You'll kick yourself when you see I'm town.

In post 191, zMuffinMan wrote:also was your hf read in #186 serious?

i'm too tired to stay up and wait for you to finish cooking. come on earlier tomorrow night, ty

Sorry Muffin, I ended up getting to some other things too.

Regarding northsidegal, 35 was the sort of post I didn't like (particularly the "if I want to keep my mislynch record clean" part), but I didn't have any rational reason for not liking it, so I chose to ignore it.

But the big thing, is the progression starting from 101.

"I'm pretty sure kokichi is town"

Easy to say the words, but a lot harder to back up.

When questioned on this by Kokichi, northside's answer just doesn't stack up.

When you're only 100 posts into the game, reasoning like "I know your scumgame and I'm not seeing it yet" does not justify statements like "I'm pretty sure you are town".

My thinking here is that northside threw out a townread in an attempt to look like they're working out the game, without actually having the reasoning to back it up. On the other hand, my expectation is that town would be more likely to actually go from reasoning ---> expression of townread. Whereas this looks a lot more like Expression of townread ----> Oh fuck I don't have much reason for saying that uhhhhh BLAND GENERIC VAGUE STATEMENT GO.

141 is also empty and just throwing shade at dramonic, when northside actually has no way of knowing whether there is a more complex thought process underlying dram's post.

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My issue with koki really stemmed from 132. I guess it's possible that this is actually a towntell and I'm just misreading it, but I feel like the whole "why am I in this group??? Ooo, maybe it's because scum want to mislynch me!" thing is just.. too much? It sounds too much like scum trying to say something town rather than something town would actually say. But I might just be wrong in this. But yeah I don't know. With all the silly group speculation that's gone on, I could see scum trying to join in on the speculation in order to fit in and not seem like they have inside information. And this, along with the questioning of wisdom and riku, seems like a reasonable fit for that.

I also am a bit :/ in response to the (appropriate) questioning of northsidegal for the premature townread on him, only for Koki to then seemingly drop it? Despite no real satisfactory response?

You avoided my question
What was a joke in the three posts I quoted?

@riku

In post 219, Wisdom wrote:You avoided my question
What was a joke in the three posts I quoted?

@riku

The one that is different.
Next question.

In post 218, DeasVail wrote:On the other hand, my expectation is that town would be more likely to actually go from reasoning ---> expression of townread. Whereas this looks a lot more like Expression of townread ----> Oh fuck I don't have much reason for saying that uhhhhh BLAND GENERIC VAGUE STATEMENT GO.

I don't agree with this
I almost always first express my read, explain it, if i even bother to

In post 220, riku wrote:

In post 219, Wisdom wrote:You avoided my question
What was a joke in the three posts I quoted?

@riku

The one that is different.
Next question.

So it was a joke that you still want to lynch group 2?

As above, I will always say what I think they are, then why, too.

In post 191, zMuffinMan wrote:also was your hf read in #186 serious?

i'm too tired to stay up and wait for you to finish cooking. come on earlier tomorrow night, ty

It was semi-serious I guess? That post gives me more of a town-fitz feel than a scum-fitz feel based on my experience with him.

PEdit: Sorry for being unclear wisdom. I'm talking about the thought process rather than the actual posting. I don't really care about what order things are posted in.