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In post 199, Mathdino wrote:Would NSG be aware that jjh has a reputation for being super obvtown as town? I, as scum in this playerlist, would absolutely not be trying to lynch jjh of all people.

math, i'm town this game, don't waste time thinking about it.

I'm feeling mafia-lazy. Someone give me a read on ruru to sheep?

i think she's probably town as of now.

In post 200, northsidegal wrote:math, i'm town this game, don't waste time thinking about it.

yeah but that's how you'd talk to me if you were scum

so why waste your time saying NAI things

zor feels solidly out of a "player returning from hiatus" scumrange
but i also have only skimmed his ISO because lordy i am not reading all of that

what are the cool wagons? can i chainsaw defend zor and/or ruru?

In post 201, Mathdino wrote:

In post 200, northsidegal wrote:math, i'm town this game, don't waste time thinking about it.

yeah but that's how you'd talk to me if you were scum

so why waste your time saying NAI things

i don't think i've ever said that to you as scum (to anyone, perhaps?)

...not that i never , or anything

(i'm not trust telling, just thinking about it)

In post 202, Mathdino wrote:zor feels solidly out of a "player returning from hiatus" scumrange
but i also have only skimmed his ISO because lordy i am not reading all of that

what are the cool wagons? can i chainsaw defend zor and/or ruru?

he's played another game recently, mini normal 2005

recommended reading to everyone here, for more reasons than one

In post 197, Zoronos wrote:

In post 190, ruru wrote:
Do you think it's inaccurate that you were trying harder because of the votes on you?

I wasn't trying harder because of the votes on me.
I am definitely trying harder than normal.
There is a reason for that but I'm embarrassed to type it.

Spoiler: nobody but ruru read this

My last game on the site was with SS, NSG, and the_worst and I played absolutely atrociously. I feel bad about it. I want to not be atrocious again.
I played a game with MathDino a few years ago, and I tried to defend him from a bad case, but I was in the end atrocious in that game as well.

The_worst sent me a PM post game and suggested I play an open, so here I am. I don't want to let people down again.

Also I feel my tone read on the_worst's scum claim joke was a legit place to start so I figured why not start there and go.

Oh wow, this feels extremely unlikely to be faked just now given that you started with the assumption that I thought you weren't reacting to the wagon

In post 191, Zoronos wrote:

In post 188, pinturicchio wrote: Well there's a phrase I usually use in my life that seems to be good to use now: not because's she's being hypocritical means that she's wrong. I get your point, but jjh was inconsistent at that point, and along with two other things that could be taken as scummy, NSG case makes sense, and makes sense coming from town, hense the townread coming from me.

Now about the last thing you said, I'll assume Maria is NSG? Something_Smart already said what I believe: an RVS wagon gives no info, neither from the people voting, nor from the voted. What do you think could be a conclusion about an RVS wagon? Like, saying NSG ignored RVS votes on her is like saying my case on Mathdino having short arms could be a good point.

Fuck I said Maria when I meant NSG and those are entirely different players. I have no idea why I wrote that. Previous game playerlist sitting in my head still I guess.

So, what part of JJH's posts were inconsistent? Do you think that both he and NSG were RVS voting, which leads to an inconsistency with his earlier statement on dislike of RVS? Help me see your understanding of the evidence.

This response is a bit short because I'm working on responding in greater depth to NSG's question to me above: Short version - I don't think it matters at all that NSG ignored the RVS votes. I think it's entirely NAI. That's why I didn't bother asking about it, I don't think there's value to be gleaned.

However, I want your interpretation of JJH's question about NSG's wagon. Do *you* think JJH was trying to redirect heat off himself with that question, or was innocently pondering a thread event? Because if the former, that's a good point of evidence in NSG's case on him. If the later, it's not.

Oh sorry, I think I misunderstood you the first time.

1. The inconsistency comes when you say you want to get out of RVS as soon as possible, but when a player comes and takes you out abruptly from RVS, try to go back to it with an RVS vote. Now, I won't lie, saying this out loud makes me think it's a silly way to look at that vote; jjh was basically greeting me 'cause I was late to the party.

2. Now about the misunderstanding: no I don't think jjh was trying to redirect heat off himself, 'cause I don't think there was heat on himself in the first place. What I find ironic is that, by saying that about NSG, NSG went full bananas on him but either way, about redirecting heat... I don't think that's a treat only scum has; town doesn't want to be the center of attention either. Town doesn't care that much maybe, but from my point of view, I try to analyze this things in a way like "is this relevant to my read on this player? If yes, why; if no, read something else". jjh's motivation is a no, first 'cause there's not enough evidence to think anything about that post, and second 'cause even if he was trying to derail attention, I wouldn't know how to read that.

In post 37, northsidegal wrote:VOTE: pinturicchio

please tell me you have a 100% secret tell on pintu

i have a general tell that's been working pretty well for me in the past few games, but nothing like that as of yet.

Mini Normal 2005 was great fun, I was really proud of that game.

nsg carried hard tho

NSG give me a good wagon that's not jjh

i find wagoning jjh right now to be low equity on a strategic level

{HeWhoSwims, pinturicchio, ruru, Zoronos, BlackStar, HitAlt}
{Mathdino, ofrhz, the worst, jjh927, davesaz, Something_Smart

i am offended on a personal level that you are not townreading me and i am 150% willing to mislynch you for tilting my game by not calling me town and leaving it at that

something something you will win the majority of your games just by assuming i'm town

etc etc

hmm

@Dino I know you don't like gutreads or at least is the worst type of reads from your perspective along with cold meta, but I played a long ass game being her scumpartner and until I see another game where she's scum, I will say I have an ability to read her towngames with a probability of 100%

(Sorry, gotta run shortly but don't want to thread abandon in the middle of questions)

In post 195, northsidegal wrote:

In post 178, Zoronos wrote:Do you feel that falls into the same play pattern that jjh is being accused of, or is his question different? That is, do you feel ofrhz was asking a loaded question, or a non-loaded question?

asking "why zoronos" is leagues different from what jjh did. it's an attempt to understand, not an attempt to defend you while attacking blackstar. i'm really not sure how you look at them as being comparable.

I felt the question from ofrhz was heavily loaded. 'Why zoronos, defend your read?!?!', in essence. When he's let a variety of other naked votes pass by, he chooses that one to seek clarification. That he chooses to do so suggests, to me, there's meaning behind the specific action he's taking. From the seat of the person being asked about, both his question and JJH's defense feel deserving of similar attention. Ergo, I think people should be considering both if they're considering one. And if Pintu likes your case on JJH, I'd expect him to also be thinking about an ofrhz case. That he isn't does not give me warm fuzzy feelings.

In post 196, northsidegal wrote: 41 is essentially RVS because jjh had no apparent serious reasoning for voting pintu and, as he has now confirmed, no non-stated reason for voting him. my vote was naked, but it wasn't RVS.

what i don't understand is his behavior after that.

i thought the scumminess of bringing up a talking point that might be taken as a scumtell for me but without actually having any sort of thoughts about it was obvious.

As I kinda-self-answering-questioned at the time, I thought there might be a reason for your naked vote on Pintu, and figured that it was likely JJH was doing the same. Now, 194 belies that, so maybe I was putting people onto motivations that weren't in fact correct. I'll dig into that a bit when I get back. I'm more interested in seeing how Pintu is making his conclusions on the evidence, per se, since that's what will help me sort out Pintu.

I took the note on your wagon as NAI, since I can see a town player doing a chin scratch note-to-self style post there. (After all, I believe ruru is town and she's asking me about my reactions to the wagon on me, so I can see a town motivation for questioning).

If you feel like a case can be made for ofrhz, why haven't you voted for them yet, Zoro?

Just kidding

VOTE: BlackStar

In post 218, ruru wrote:Just kidding

VOTE: BlackStar

i think your first vote was better, honestly.

ruru wrote:Just kidding

VOTE: BlackStar

Why?

I feel like 197 was super town and so it's less likely to me that you post 217 as town

And I don't feel like 215 even implied Zoronos was scumreading ofrhz?

Like of all the players here right now I would be most interested in why not-Zoronos aren't voting ofrhz moreso than why Zoronos isn't if that makes sense

He said that he felt ofrhz's question was loaded and that he felt like his posts deserved attention. It seemed to me that he was at least a little suspicious of ofrhz and if he is then I don't know why he isn't voting for anyone. And 197 is an ATE designed to make us sympathize with him and not want to vote for him. That's NAI to me because I do that all the time as both town and scum

How closely have you been reading the thread recently?