NY 213 - Game Over!

[Kublai Khan]

Lol at Creature being a useless sack then showing up to bitch about poor town leadership. He hasn't even read the game. He's just throwing out random names.

"Omg scum-Pine will kill me" Pine is being replaced.

Creature needs rope tomorrow. Line that shit up.

Especially if WhemeStar flips scum.

wtf is this?

I backed off of Creature for fairly public reasons. You can iso me to re-visit that.

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This calls to me.

VOTE: Lalendra

Feeling better now.

why are there zero lalendra posts between these two decisions

That's some real selective quoting to throw shade. Why are you just pulling out of context stuff and inventing a narrative?

[Kublai Khan]

can we actually talk about this PenguinPower kill

a CLAIMED VT ?

who has been wagoned on several different occasions this game?

Why is this an important discussion for you to have?

[Kublai Khan]

That's some real selective quoting to throw shade. Why are you just pulling out of context stuff and inventing a narrative?

er, why this reaction? what narrative? why can't it just be a question about what your reasoning was?

You quote 4416 and ignored 4418, which is the exact reasoning you're looking for. It's two posts away on the same page. So, you get the WTF? reaction.

[Kublai Khan]

Why is this an important discussion for you to have?

?????

That's not an answer. Why are you trying to push town into coming up with a conclusion when you could do it on your own? What's your goal?

[Kublai Khan]

Post 4418 is "I'm going to park my vote on Gamma Emerald for a bit while I read re-read.

It was about 24 hours to deadline and Lalendra was near lynch. Krazy had voted Gamma Emerald as a vanity wagon out of nowhere. So I parked my vote on Gamma Emerald to see if others would also jump on it. So if Lalendra flipped scum, I would see if anyone was aiming to counter-wagon.

[Kublai Khan]

Why is this an important discussion for you to have?

?????

That's not an answer. Why are you trying to push town into coming up with a conclusion when you could do it on your own? What's your goal?

To explain: The best way to manipulate someone into doing something is to make it seem like they had the idea themselves.

"Let's discuss this" is basically prompting people to look into something and draw conclusions from it. The kind of conclusions you already want them to draw.

[Kublai Khan]

if that's what you think i was doing, you are free to have that opinion

i just saw it as generating discussion

So you're not scum-hunting and you're just encouraging talking and are happy to steer it into a direction that gets someone else lynched.

How is that anything but scummy?

VOTE: wavemode

[Kublai Khan]

Lol at Creature being a useless sack then showing up to bitch about poor town leadership. He hasn't even read the game. He's just throwing out random names.

"Omg scum-Pine will kill me" Pine is being replaced.

Creature needs rope tomorrow. Line that shit up.

Especially if WhemeStar flips scum.

wtf is this?

I backed off of Creature for fairly public reasons. You can iso me to re-visit that.

Yeah but in the moment this is actually gross. Showing a lot of aggression towards another player while you're on the wheme wagon.

Are you serious Tchill13?

I aggressively shut someone down who is trying to de-rail a lynch wagon on scum and you're scum-reading me for that?? Have you lost your mind?

[Kublai Khan]

@kublai I'm just looking at the wheme wagon and seeing all the players that have already flipped town. Someone had to bus on that wagon.

Tell me, do you think the WhemeStar lynch had more scum on it or off of it?

[Kublai Khan]

Does anyone have a strong town read on TehBrawlGuy?

[Kublai Khan]

Apologies for shitty hammer. I will try not to vote when I'm not at home and actually double check the count 0.o

Hop, I meta'd Mylo, and I think this game fits his town meta more than his scum meta. Town meta is lots of lynchbaity short posts, scum meta is fewer longer posts.

Vote Gamma

i still hate this post

Okay, this is actually a good point.

Why is Krazy playing off the hammer vote? In addition to what wavemode posted, I had also posted that I was ready to hammer (with Krazy posts both before and after so he read it for sure).

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

wavemode isn't happening. Gamma Emerald's been looking better today (not great, but better). TehBrawlGuy get the vote.

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Why are you jumping off the biggest wagon to start a new wagon?

[Kublai Khan]

as if scum are congratulating Scioness for posting enough to not get lynched.

What? Where?

[Kublai Khan]

as if scum are congratulating Scioness for posting enough to not get lynched.

What? Where?

Scum chat

So, nothing in the thread is happening that made you switch votes. You just that Scioness Sajj is being congratulated.

Or wait, do you have access to the scum chat? Who else is there?

[Kublai Khan]

Hey Kublai, what do you think about Skygazer?

She pre-called herself "bad at scum-hunting" which is always a little red flag to me. Like it's basically saying "hey, I'm going to lynch town, don't find me scummy for it". She's only making weak pushes, so she doesn't have much impact on the game. So more in the scum pile than the town pile.

[Kublai Khan]

So, nothing in the thread is happening that made you switch votes. You just that

thought

Scioness Sajj is being congratulated.

Yep, you're right. I had an

insight

.

Right, yeah. I got that. But what was the source?

I'm picturing you just staring blankly at a wall in a catatonic state for 30 seconds then... <twitch> "Gotta vote Scioness Sajj!"

It can't be a lack of posting, because then you'd be voting vaxkiller. What was the twitch that made you switch?

[Kublai Khan]

Page 223 feels so town

Great job people

Who is your townblock, Creature?

[Kublai Khan]

Yo, still think I'm getting scumreads out of staring blankly at walls while imagining unicorns and dragons?

I'm not going to learn your thought process unless I ask you your thought process.

[Kublai Khan]

Hey guys. Sorry got prodded. School starts back up in a week and I've been busy prepping for the incoming class.

This day doesn't feel right. But since we've been wrong a bunch, maybe it's fine. Let's lynch TheBrawlGuy and head to night.

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: Texcat

[Kublai Khan]

Excited to see texcat as a last minute change.

[Kublai Khan]

I re-read from 235 to 254.

Town:
Hopkirk
TehBrawlGuy
Myloninja13
Krazy
Skygazer
Ankamius
Golden Robster

Creature:
Creature

Not town:
Wavemode
Tchill13
JarJarDrinks
Gamma Emerald
Vaxkiller

If it weren't for Ankamius' spontaneous decision to announce her candidacy for town leader, she's probably be on the scum-side after that texcat lynch.

VOTE: vaxkiller

[Kublai Khan]

Not okay with hard town-siding TehBrawlGuy?

[Kublai Khan]

Hmm.. Wavemode doesn't make sense as a partner based on those VCs.

[Kublai Khan]

oh yeah Kublai Khan i wanted to ask

Excited to see texcat as a last minute change.

why were you excited to see this change?

Scioness Sajj & TehBrawlGuy were possible scum. texcat was a much stronger scum read for loner, but never seemed to get traction as a lynch.

[Kublai Khan]

you were townreading tex for most of the game as far as I can see

when did you decide that tex was scum and what was the reason

I had a day 1 townread on texcat, that died after the Whemestar lynch.

[Kublai Khan]

Hmm.. Wavemode doesn't make sense as a partner based on those VCs.

You seriously read all of them?

They aren't reading materials. They are lists with patterns therein.

Look through Day 1. Notice that texcat and Whemestar are rarely on the same wagons together? it's super common for scum to spread out their votes and avoid bunching up. The people I scum-read had a similar pattern.

[Kublai Khan]

Kublai, the only thing that bothers me about you is your random voting for me.

Oh, it's because I think you're on the mafia team.

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: tchill

@krazy you're analysis is fine; I agree that we should be focusing on these three players including myself and KK here

it makes the most logical sense to look at the players who hard-defended texcat (including me)

I feel like I just got substituted in for JarJarDrinks.

[Kublai Khan]

look at the first-character-on-line sequence from Wave's ISO starting at post #5509

I'm a universal backup. I replaced performers role.

I do have a vengeful kill.

Wait, why/how does Wavemode know your role?

[Kublai Khan]

I think he's claiming neighborized vengeful universal backup and so he is now in a neighborhood with wave, since performer was in a neighborhood.

Thanks for the wild speculation, but I'd rather wait for the answer.

[Kublai Khan]

I think he's claiming neighborized vengeful universal backup and so he is now in a neighborhood with wave, since performer was in a neighborhood.

Thanks for the wild speculation, but I'd rather wait for the answer.

Okay, no wait. I understand now.

[Kublai Khan]

Hmm.

Okay. So either wavemode and Tchill13 are town together or scum together.

I think town and would rather lynch elsewhere.

[Kublai Khan]

Actually, wait. wavemode could still be scum. But Tchill13 is confirmed town.

Sorry. Long day.

[Kublai Khan]

has anyone thats voted him looked up his crumb yet?

Yeah, he crumbed. I'll confirm that he did.

(Not gonna screenshot it)

[Kublai Khan]

I feel like wavemode!scum would have prioritized a Tchill13 NK over a claimed VT any given night.

[Kublai Khan]

because by not NKing Tchill13, he's created a confirmed town near endgame.

[Kublai Khan]

What's the confirmation?

[Kublai Khan]

I forget the name of the role. He can let ppl know he's town through his night action.

He already hardclaimed Vanilla Neighbor many times.

[Kublai Khan]

I forget the name of the role. He can let ppl know he's town through his night action.

He already hardclaimed Vanilla Neighbor many times.

yeah he's probably gonna fucking hate me.

He was in a neighborhood that included an Innocent Child and he didn't tell them that he could confirm himself to others?

This isn't totally adding up.

Why are you so convinced? Who else did wavemode confirm himself to?

[Kublai Khan]

for the love stop speculating until wave comes back because i feel terrible about this garbage.

I'd stop speculating if you answered some questions.

[Kublai Khan]

So far this smells like something that was overthought in scum PT and I have no idea how wave can be confirmed.

But I'm also not like super opposed to a GR lynch. Just... the bossfight so early?

I may or may not know who he sent his other confirmation to.

of course i wouldnt mind people taking stances on him before i or wave outs this info. Idk if this is a good idea though.

thats why i said wait for wave.

How did you get confirmation? A Mod PM?

[Kublai Khan]

I like Creature's "hey, let's not talk about this weird situation and just speed lynch whoever". It's super town.

[Kublai Khan]

maybe. Let wave come back. enjoy the music of the chairs until then.

wavemode can explain his role. But *you're* the one clearing him. *You're* convinced he's 100% town. How and why?

[Kublai Khan]

alright VOTE: Golden Robster

Really? Nothing else wavemode?

[Kublai Khan]

??

Okay, so the wavemode/Tchill13 story is all BS and they are panicking?

[Kublai Khan]

??

Okay, so the wavemode/Tchill13 story is all BS and they are panicking?

what gives you that impression

For fuck's sake...
Could you read the past couple of pages and explain any of it?

[Kublai Khan]

I've read them. You've read them. What is it you want to know?

What's your role?

You've claimed one thing and Tchill13 claimed that it's another.

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: wavemode

[Kublai Khan]

Gamma Emerald can go ahead and weigh in, but I smell BS.

[Kublai Khan]

Oh, I see. If Gamma Emerald doesn't flip neighbor, that confirms that both Tchill13 and wavemode are scum?

[Kublai Khan]

So who would a Gamma Emerald lynch confirm?

[Kublai Khan]

@wavemode - You listed about 10 people as town on Day 1. Neither EspeciallyTheLies nor Gamma Emerald were in that group. So why would you target them?

[Kublai Khan]

Wait, bigger question.

If you are a Friendly Neighbor who just sends a message, how do you know Tchill13's role?

[Kublai Khan]

If he's a Neighborizer, then Gamma Emerald/Tchill13 are in a Neighborhood and flip "neighbor".
If he's a Friendly Neighbor, then he sent a message to them telling them he's town and they are not in a neighborhood.

[Kublai Khan]

Right?

[Kublai Khan]

Kublai, friendly neighbor isn't a neighborizer

Okay, wait. Right. Universal backup. Damnit.

[Kublai Khan]

Okay, so Gamma Emerald should paraphrase the PM and Tchill13 then confirms/denies it.

[Kublai Khan]

@wavemode - Right, yeah. But they should be identical.

Why did you vote Gamma Emerald yesterday in your weird multi-post/multi-vote thing?

[Kublai Khan]

Gamma Emerald's read on wavemode does seem to change after Day 3. He went from pro-lynching wavemode Day 1 to barely mentioning him.

[Kublai Khan]

Tchill claims Universalbackup who joined the neighborhood from Performer's role.

Wave claims 2-shot Friendly Neighbor IN A NEIGHBORHOOD which used to include Performer.

Wave says he sent a PM to Tchill confirming his role (n1?)

And then a PM to Gamma confirming his role (n2?)

In this sense, Gamma being TOWN confirms both wave and Tchill.

Confirmation will confirm Tchill13 and wavemode as town. Gamma Emerald is still questionable, but it's still cool beans. We'll have 3 confirmed town (including Hopkirk).

[Kublai Khan]

universal backup can still be scum regardless right??

not seeing how that would confirm tchill at all

granted i'm tipsy so could someone spell it out to me if I'm being dense?

Whemestar already flipped Mafia Universal Backup.

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Shifting back.

[Kublai Khan]

So a green gamma flip at any point gives us a pair of masons.

No.... ? Just a confirmation of getting a mod PM and a ok that the paraphrasing sounds good.

[Kublai Khan]

There is a disappointing number of people not looking in Vaxkiller's direction.

Also, I unpopularly think Golden Robster is town.

[Kublai Khan]

I've had JarJarDrinks as a townread all game. But it's largely due to him being active and involved.

[Kublai Khan]

I didn't know universal backup can only inherit their own alignment.
Doesn't that mean the neighbourhood had to be all town? Otherwise we could lynch a scum neighbour then Wheme would inherit the hood and be confirmed scum right?

Honestly I don't think that would even make it past the NRG, they'd probably hardcore veto that

yeah, although if we believe the claims, this setup can have 5 conftown players in it, so I don't know how this got through either

Mafia Universal Backup does mean that they very likely have at least one other power role.

[Kublai Khan]

what would scum have that would be any use to them here though

Not sure how to speculate. I have crackpot theories but i doubt they are helpful. I figure at least one other power rule. And maybe just a higher number of them.

[Kublai Khan]

you were townreading tex for most of the game as far as I can see

when did you decide that tex was scum and what was the reason

This is a good point. KK gave zero indication that he SRd tex up until he was about to be roped.

I thought I did. I could swear I wrote it up, but I guess it didn't post. So yeah, I look crappy.

[Kublai Khan]

I'm not okay with that.

I'm also not OK with town clearing ank just because she's stepping into the town lead.

not ok w/ locking TBG in as town but shouldn't be looking there today IMO.

yeah I've only been correct on 6/6 flips since coming into the game, and one of the opposing wagons to both scumflips, one of which I started the final wagon on

i can definitely see how this doesn't look painfully obvtown

I'm not scum-reading you right now but do you know who can easily be right 6/6 times about flips?

[Kublai Khan]

I don't think JarJarDrinks is scum.

[Kublai Khan]

If the questions between JarJarDrinks and Golden Robster, I think Golden Robster is more likely to be scum.

[Kublai Khan]

wavemode has a good point. Gamma Emerald should be taken off the lynch block.

[Kublai Khan]

How does that correlate with gamma being town?

And when did you start back-pedalling on your gamma read?

Did you not click on the link?

[Kublai Khan]

No. I'm not going to let the game no-lynch.

Unless Gamma Emerald is absolutely terrible at playing mafia, he wouldn't let a friendly neighbor keep confirm towning himself around. I've got to VOTE: Golden Robster.

[Kublai Khan]

I'm here. I'm a VT and I know you guys are going to lynch me anyways. With school starting up, I haven't had time to properly play and right now the only defense I can offer is that if I were scum, there's no way that Hopkirk or wavemode would still be alive.

[Kublai Khan]

I'd say Vax and Sky. But grain of salt and all that.

[Kublai Khan]

Dude. Such a damn setup question.

I dunno. It's just been a hunch for the past few days. I don't really feel strongly about any hunch right now, but it's more than I ever had for Skygazer's slot.

[Kublai Khan]

You've said GR is town through this entire game and I have not understood why your hunch went that way at any point

Doesn't really matter. I'll flip town and it's just a read.

I saw a list of my reads from early in the game and I've got two scum in the town pile and two confirmed town in the scum pile. Don't look for genius at this point.

[Kublai Khan]

Oh, I hope town wins.

But I can't survive until them. I'm too much of a distraction.

[Kublai Khan]

Plus, like I said, I don't really have the time to dissect the game like I might have done in the past.

[Kublai Khan]

Goddamn. You dont have to oversell it. But you're just proving my point. I could post a sushi emoticon here and you'd rationalize my scumminess from it.

I hurt town more by being alive at this point.

[Kublai Khan]

Yeah, Golden Robster was in a bad position and did the best he could.

Still not sure why the scum team made NKs like PenguinPower and Sajj over Hopkirk and wavemode. Gotta get rid of the confirmed town to widen out the POE.

Props to Krazy for being the town MVP.