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Post Post #1044 (isolation #200) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:21 am

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In post 1029, nancy wrote:Fuck man I was really killing myself there for a while. I had no confidence, I even ran through a ton of your past games to try to figure out if there was some god damn secret to your play here that I could find.

I guess I'll just post the rest of my stuff from my IC topic then.

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When I try to follow his early Trinity read, I look at the way he asked her whether she was being sarcastic in , then as soon as she replied he dropped townreads on her, me and stan in . Really feels like he was just already going to say he townread her there and wanted that exchange with her as an excuse to make it. There's no sense that he actually did work to get there on her and it makes no sense that he would include me and stan in there if he was actually focused on sorting her specifically there.

Then he says that he's having a hard time scumreading anyone, but like, it's not even 200 posts into the game, two slots hadn't even posted at that point, it's just such a premature thought to have there and doesn't feel believable as something he felt as town. His explanations for his reads in don't feel like real things at all. He's literally copy pasted the same reasoning for townreading me and Trinity and calls stan a "rational town player" which just sounds like some kind of nondescript archetype and not an actual description of someone's play. His reasoning for townreading Trinity makes even less sense because it's completely disconnected from his earlier exchange with her, not to mention she hadn't been interacting that much and like, again, it's less than 200 posts into the game, even if "interacting that much" were something to townread, and it isn't, the timing of it makes no sense.

His read on Flicker also flips around and I just struggle to see that being a real read from him. "FF is town because reasons" is literally not even a read. Then he moves and calls Icemand and SA mafia because he's townreading everyone else and like... no, dude, that's not real, not on page 6. Especially not when it doesn't line up with his suspicion of Flicker.

I'm sort of going to skip around from here because his ISO is way too long to go through.

I so didn't like , it feels like a fake reaction to FF's content and he hasn't actually engaged with FF at all.

He says he feels lost in but like, he has 5 townreads? I don't understand how anyone can ever feel lost with 5 townreads before the game has barely even started.

The way he backs up his read on FF later, a few times actually, feels a decent amount like TMI bleeding through because the things he's talking about wrt FF aren't very alignment indicative but he's supporting a townread with them. (, , )

His scumread on Trinity in contradicts his earlier townread on her and the read just feels super tacky. It feels like he's trying to paint her as scum rather than actually believing that she's mafia. And uh... he's literally held the scumread for nearly 30 pages now without wavering, and his reasoning for scumread her has constantly changed as his old reasoning has become insufficient which I think is really slimy.

was icky on a spiritual level. It felt like he started buddying me when he saw that I was pushing back a little on the scumreads on him and wanted to amuse himself with who I thought was mafia rather than actually do anything to solve the game together.

he's kind of blatantly admitting to sheeping which is... bad? But maybe not scummy bad, since he's like openly admitting it? Idk. There's a bunch of this kind of attitude all throughout his ISO and it's super super skeevy. (, /, )

The interaction with Trinity in and feels like open wolfing tbh. I don't understand how town thinks any of the things that Oka is thinking in here. Like, he's just openly admitting to throwing shade on her, talking about how he's pushing her because he doesn't want to be lynched, it's just... ugh, god, how is this ever town, it's so bad I think it might just be town but I don't think I can ever let it live because it's just too nasty.

just feels way too close to "yeah I'm a wolf but your reasons are wrong" for comfort.

feels like a cardboard cut-out of a townie, like, literally don't believe those are ever things that Oka has been feeling in this game.

feels like he's trying to project a version of scum behavior specifically to make himself look town for not conforming to it. He makes a lot of posts like this.

this is just like. Either some of the worst villager process I have ever seen, or it's just a wolf, and either way, I think you just have to lynch it, because the times where it's a wolf probably outnumber the times where it's a villager.

is just another post where I feel like he's pulling stuff out of his ass. Like, he's presented no reason for there to be 2 mafia in that grouping, for all I know he just pulled 2 other names besides Trinity out of a hat and said "hey guys there's scum in here!".

I still think the "as long as there is a better lynch today" part of is scum mindset through and through and the only thing holding me back from taking it as a scumclaim is that he's um, plainly stating it in thread.

The way he jumps out with a random post discrediting me in feels like a moment of scum frustration. I also, um, never wrote a case, which kinda contributes to feeling that he's not real.


And add to that your response to my scumread here which um, literally never comes from town. Sorry dude.
meh nvm nancy's case is going to be indisputable with the amount of times the word "feel" appears

i can't dispute what you feel

i can dispute your method tho

going backwards:

I discredit you because I did a skim meta dive and then I saw that you are competent at scum, yeah its scummy but who gives a fuck if your scum. I'll trade 1 for 1 especially because you are unlynchable. If I can even plant a seed of doubt into your towniness after I pass, it'll be worth. I'm willing to take that risk because you are good at this game and you have demonstrated charisma, making you a hard lynch to sell. You have people in your pocket if your scum, or your forming a townbloc if you are town. If you are town I genuinely hope you can succeed but I'm not willing to take the chance that you rolled scum and you are pocketing the others.

785: meh, no. If you are town you are the nk tonight.

703: I've had a lean towards scum iceman for a bit now, and I've demonstrated that I was at least no longer tring eragon.

684: wrong? If I have three scumreads, A B and C, and I scumread A and B more than C, then maybe I've misread C.


and then with the emotional reads meh

i dislike nancy's use of emotions because if she is truly scum who can really argue there is a logical inconsistency with her reads? emotional reads are the safe play that don't benefit anyone else unless you are confirmed town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=72011

I think that today, we can not lynch FF/Quick/Nancy simply because if one of these people are scum, the others have to be able to counter them
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Post Post #1046 (isolation #201) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:25 am

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Because if you are scum, we lynch me today, you can nk one of those two and worst case scenario the other person is scum, nobody here is going to have the guts to oppose you and your bloc.
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #202) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:26 am

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swap you with anyone else it works probably
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #203) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:26 am

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anyone else in that list at least
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #204) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:27 am

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fuck that wouldn't work you could lynch me, and then nk the other one and in worst case scenario we lost

ehh just don't lynch me today
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #205) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:30 am

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because you have demonstrated a strong scumgame and you certainly know what you are doing. and since you voted me that means your judgement isn't perfect.

so im taking precautions against this possibility by spreading seeds of doubt
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #206) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:30 am

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and if you are actually town, who knows this might help because then scum might not nk you

win win because im not going to lynch you today
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #207) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:31 am

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actually you can lynch me today

i think whymafia can stand up to yall
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #208) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:38 am

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In post 1009, TrinityNZ wrote:Oka, you asked for examples, so here’s a couple of things:

First, you said this:
In post 28, OkaPoka wrote:Typically speaking, you should at least check in once every 24 hours at the bare minimum to comment on things, answer questions, or ask questions, but as the deadline gets closer, it is good to increase your posting and be more active, especially if no real lynch candidates have been presented imo.
Then, you said this about me to start reading me in scum, even though I was doing exactly what you said in the post above. And this seems to be the only reason you have for reading me as scum. I just don’t think it’s a good enough reason. It’s like you’re clutching at straws. you even noted you didn’t have any questions for me. And since this post, you’ve been constantly on my case.
In post 283, OkaPoka wrote:yeah i think trinity is scum, she hasn't really meaningful engaged with anyone without really being prompted to.
feels like she is reading the thread, answers any questions directed at her and then disappears
town would be more proactive imo

VOTE: trinity
ff might hate me for voting her already but i don't really have questions for her
Below is an example of another post from you I didn’t like. I couldn’t see why you would ask this question.
In post 31, OkaPoka wrote:@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3
Having spent about the last two hours reading recent posts, and responding, I’m coming to the conclusion that you might not be mafia after all. I think your push on me is so strong, that if I am mislynched, you would look really suspicious because your push has been so strong, and I don’t think you are that stupid. I think if you were mafia you would have been easing back a bit on me and letting others do the work. So after all that, I’m reading you as town now.

UNVOTE: OkaPoka

I have no idea who to vote for now, that will have to be tomorrow’s job, I’ve spent too much time here tonight already.

I hope I’ve answered everyone’s questions.
I'm going to respond to this:

I'm not scumreading you for inactivity, otherwise flicker would be on the chopping block. I'm not scumreading you for not asking questions. I'm scumreading you because I don't see the town motivation behind your questions, I see no room to grow with your reads from you questions, in fact most read progression from you is looking like more and more people are moving to town rather than the other way.

And I responded to that exact question coming from flicker. You can find my reasoning, but sure I guess you can still not like it.

But here's the thing.
In post 671, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 668, OkaPoka wrote:Talk to me about ff, write up a case with some evidence
OK, so I know this is going to make me look flaky, but looking for evidence has just made me confused! FF looks to me like apart from the interaction with Quick, he’s mainly spent time leaning on Oka and not really putting in the effort on everyone else. And I don’t think he’s tried hard to defend the votes on him. But I’ve had to admit that I do like that he’s after Oka as I think Oka could be scum, which would possibly, but not definitely, mean that FF isn’t.

My current thinking is:

Nancy - strong town. We all know why.
Oka - scum lean, mainly because of the weak case he was trying to make on me, and poor answers to questions others have asked.
Iceman - slight town lean, as I’ve liked his theory posts, although his vote on Quick seemed a bit forced, and not for the best of reasons. I don’t think not reading posts is AI.
Quick - slight scum lean. I initially didn’t think scum would be so blasé about the attack from IceMan. But some of his posts are scummy sounding, like ‘you are trying to upset me more and get me to make a mistake’. As mafia in the last game I worried about making mistakes, but in this game I’m not worried so much as what sort of mistakes can I make? I mean, I can make silly mistakes where people might think I’m stupid, but I can’t think what type of think a ‘mistake’ I could make that would be really bad.
Flicker - slight scum lean, the unvote of Oka seems strange.
Eragon - town lean originally, as he came in with a hiss and a roar, but that has tapered off, so null at the moment.
Why Mafia - town lean. I’m linking his posts. He’s put in a lot of effort really quickly and looks like he’s making an effort to understand the game, and made some good cases.
FF - was my strongest scum lean, but I’m backing off that, as noted above.

UNVOTE: FormerFish

The wording on your scumread on me suggests that you didn't like my answers to questions other people asked. But as far as I can tell, you are listing posts you don't like, and none of these disliked posts can really be categorized as answers to other people's questions.

So yeah I'm sticking on this for now.
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #209) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:42 am

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In post 1054, nancy wrote:
In post 1051, OkaPoka wrote:because you have demonstrated a strong scumgame and you certainly know what you are doing. and since you voted me that means your judgement isn't perfect.

so im taking precautions against this possibility by spreading seeds of doubt
This doesn't make sense? You should already have been thinking that my judgement isn't perfect, because I've been strongly disagreeing with your Trinity scumread for a while. And like, duh, my judgement isn't perfect, I'm human.

Who is mafia, Oka? Talk about your reads.
What? I don't have a guilty on trinity that confirms her as scum, I just find it most likely that she is scum.

My point about judgement is probably flawed, but my point is you haven't really demonstrated anything extraordinarily town with extremely accurate reads, verified by your vote on me. I just played a game in which somebody seemed to be trolling with their reads but it turns out they did just have really good judgement.

Talk about your reads without feelings.

Mafia: I think Trinity is the safest bet for mafia for me. But her flip is going to of course cause a massive reread.

My scumreads are still on Trinity, Iceman, and Eragon
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #210) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:45 am

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oh hi FF, you are probably going to hate my last dozen posts

have fun reading them!
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #211) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:56 am

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Iceman seems insistent on defending trinity for some odd reason, he keeps using meta and even admits he is letting bias dominate his views. Formerfish isn't as insistent on defending trinity even though they have a similar grasp on her meta. Either Iceman is playing for the pocket or he is giving a hail mary to stop her lynch, which I guess is working. Also his whole policy lynch shenanigans just doesn't come from a town perspective.

Eragon: weak interaction, lack of pushing people. He might turn around d2 but for now its scum.


100% Town: Me

Quick is probably town, has interacted a lot and engaged with people, doesn't particularly care about coming off as town.

Formerfish is someone I'm inclined to mark town now, he has done what quick has but also he has had such a long time to rejoin my wagon and double down on lynching me when I'm such an easy lynch for him to push that I don't see this as scum!FF. Though this could just be a long con from him.

everyone else has big question marks:

nancy: I'd mark this as town everytime, if it weren't for your scum games. It's apparent that you can play scum and you know how to. I just fear that I am overlooking things and you could actually be scum.
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Post Post #1063 (isolation #212) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:12 pm

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yeah OkaPoka was fucking pissed that someone would dare suggest policylynching people.

but oh how the turn tables.
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Post Post #1064 (isolation #213) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:13 pm

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(this is not a suggestion of a policy lynch)

(this is a suggestion of be wary of what nancy is trying to do because she might be that good at scum)
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #214) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:19 pm

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In post 1065, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1058, OkaPoka wrote:oh hi FF, you are probably going to hate my last dozen posts

have fun reading them!
Why do you think that?
didn't i pull a similar stunt with you last game and then you wanted to hang me for it

also how are less people voting
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #215) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:25 pm

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I'm not suggesting a nancy policy lynch

I'm suggesting a reconsideration of townreading nancy.
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #216) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:39 pm

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No? Iceman was saying that we should policy lynch the IC the day before lylo.
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #217) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 pm

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In post 161, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 156, OkaPoka wrote:but do you policy lynch ics?
Trying to pull up a bunch of other stuff but I'll answer this now since you've asked twice.

On D1 or D2 no. After that I think you should yes. Here is why.

As a town player and IC is just a more experienced player to help find scum. To me they only have a slight advantage although most of that is lost because new players can be a pain in the ass.

As a scum player they are like a super heros. They can easily sway new players into confusion and mislynches. There is a much bigger advantage to a scum!IC.

I also feel like scum is going to night kill the active/most experienced players first. So it brings in the whole..... why is the IC still alive after a few nights?


I just think that a town!IC makes LYLO super difficult.


Of course if we have a strong read on someone other then the IC we would lynch them instead.

Tldr..... If we have no super strong roads then IC should be lynched before LYLO.
Tldr..... If we have no super strong roads then IC should be lynched before LYLO.
What I'm saying is

nancy needs scrutiny now.

not IC should be our go to compromise lynch the day before lylo.

these are different things
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #218) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:32 pm

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In post 1072, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1071, OkaPoka wrote:No? Iceman was saying that we should policy lynch the IC the day before lylo.
Wrong that's what several people misconstrued it into.

I reiterated my point several times in that its very easy for new players to completely trust the IC by mistake. The IC can easily manipulate the new players and sometimes do it on accident.

My statement was that if the IC is still around by day 3 there should be some extra scrutiny placed on them. More so then a non-ic.

And I'm saying that this whole shtick im doing has nothing to do with trusting ICs are not trusting ICs. nancy is a talented scum player. That's why she deserves scrutiny.
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #219) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:45 pm

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In our previous game, if I were alive day 1 I would have said Formerfish, not HWS deserved my scrutiny.

In my previous scum game, if I rolled town, I would say have Ircher/Lefty deserved more scrutiny, not Una the IC.

This is one of his flesh out posts:
In post 206, IcemanCh wrote:Let me clarify one more time becuae this is getting silly and distracting from finding scum.


Right now I believe that Nancy is town
Nancy would have to be an amazing scum player to not be town. To me Nancy is my first pick for town.

I made my comment about the IC because in the odd event that we have zero reads before a lylo that is where I would go. I don't see that happening though because Nancy is coming off so strongly as town.


For now we should set the issue aside and look for scum. Here is what I have so far.

Strong town: Nancy
Town Trinity FormerFish
Lean Town Erogon
Nuetral Okta Stanley Sarge
Scum Lean Flick
This doesn't make any sense, in fact it makes his reasoning worse because now we are never going to go with the proposed scenario. In what world will we have no reads by day 3? By virtue of nightkills and lynch flips we will have reads.

Fine, I guess his reasoning is technically right, but it would thus become non useful. His first suggestion was not of put scrutiny on IC now, its put scrutiny on IC and lynch IC if we have no strong reads. This could be a potential strategy, though I disagree with policy because it has the phrase "strong reads." What he is suggesting here imo is dangerous but its a strategy.

Then his refinement turns it into useless fluff that would never be used. There will never be a world without no reads by day 3.

And then he re refines his logic here:
In post 592, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 483, Quick wrote:
As far as other things I don't like about Ice, his case on me is pretty bad if I am being honest. It's basically just one thing he is SRing me for and it's something that I don't think is AI.
I mean it's not though.... It's not conf!scum but, it's enough for me to feel comfortable pushing on you. The fact that you keep twisting it into something it's not and that you're so defensive about the entire thing makes me feel that I'm right about it.

The basic fact is that only scum or anti-town just throws votes/reads out there with ZERO to back it up. Your entire first read was based on a completely bad analysis of the vote counts and everyone called you on it. The fact that you didn't read in and of it self is just anti-town. The fact that you attempted a bad read and then just shrugged your shoulders is what makes me think scum.

In post 483, Quick wrote: PLing is reserved for play that is blatately Anti-Town and it's been demonstraighted that there is a pattern of this. Ice is basically making the argument that IC's have a BoP, which is asanine since I don't think anyone has a BoP and secondly he is assuming ALL IC's opperate this way, which is kinda disgusting. You should vote people based on if they are Scummy or not, not because they just happen to still be in the game. It's completely backwards logic.
I'm not sure why you're trying to consistently twist what I say. I'm not for a policy lynch on the IC. What I am for in the lack of any good leads putting extra scrutiny on the IC as the most experienced player and one that can easily sway the game as scum. The key part here is the LACK OF ANY GOOD LEADS. If the current game state was right before LYLO I wouldn't lynch Nancy since I'm fairly confident she is town and that is a lead. In the first game that I played we went to LyLo with the IC. The IC was town. I had a scum read on them the entire time. I'm very aware that not everything fits into nice little rules that can be used to sort people.

In post 483, Quick wrote: ONLY Scum do that? Orly? I think I pointed out to someone that just because I haven't caught up doesn't mean that that is Scummy, it just means that people haven't seen Town do that before, or they are just trying to push that as Scummy. I have seen lots of Town not catch up after replacing in.. It's not Scummy at all. Some people make a that their regular way of replacing in, Titus being one example. Also, I didn't say nor imply any of what Ice is pushing on me.
Yea, that's nice that you can find some obscure reference for a different player that did the same thing you did. Totally means you're not scum /eyeroll

In post 483, Quick wrote:
In post 483, Quick wrote: Why is that Scummy? It's not, you've just never come across anyone who doesn't catch up as Town. In fact, it sounds like this whole read is based on the theory of what YOU would do as Town Scum instead of actually looking at why I have taken this course of action. Theory reads don't get you that far actually, and I've known Scum to use them more than Town, so...
This was never answered. Instead, we see the following two posts where Ice goes Straight to putting me as his biggest SR to promply voting for me shortly after that.
It's not the act it's the motivation. I suspect that you replaced into a scum slot, thought you could throw something super scummy out there and get away with it. Cause everyone would say..... no way would scum come in and do something so scummy. Must be lazy town.

Town's motivation is to find scum. In order to do that you have to put the work in. You have to understand the current game state. You have to understand the history generated so far.
Scum's motivation is to sow confusion and convince everyone to lynch town. You don't HAVE to have an understanding of the current game state to do that.

So you have three options as scum.

1. Read and catch up. Put the effort in and jump in to mix in with everyone.
2. Don't read and wing it. Maybe you can get by maybe you can't.
3. Don't read but, announce you won't read. That way any bad reads or mistakes can easily be brushed off as... oh I didn't know about that history.

Sorry..... Not catching up is the most Anti-Town thing I can think of. You're basically asking everyone to start over.

In post 483, Quick wrote: His case is so weak I can't even believe it's a thing, let alone something to make someone a top SR.

VOTE: Ice
Saying it's weak doesn't actually make it weak.

Every post since from you has just confirmed my suspicion of you being scum. The last time I saw this from someone they were just about to be lynched. They threw and absolute tantrum over it. Thrashing about and swinging at everyone. It worked cause they scared everyone off through emotional appeal. Made the game an absolute toxic mess. And it worked. He was scum, he got all the PRs revealed the next day before he finally got lynched. It took two power role claims to finally get him lynched. So I don't think what you're doing is unreasonable but, it is 100% scum.
Now its about leads? Now its about scrutiny on the IC for lack of good leads? So what, if we don't have an investigative claim we scrutinize the IC because we have no leads?

To summarize:
He wants to policy lynch if we don't have a strong way to go by day 3, I vote him.
He "refines" it to become an utterly useless strategy that will never happen, now its about having either reads or no reads.
He "rerefines" it to becoming a thing about having strong leads to scrutinze.

So what is it?
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #220) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:47 pm

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In post 1078, Formerfish wrote:His answer and reasoning was fleshed out way more than that, and you know that because I made a snarky comment to you about jumping the gun on your scum read because you misunderstood something Iceman said. You replied that you could have done it differently, but oh well. So now youre misremembering again.

ninja- what are you not getting about this? That is the exact reason given by Iceman to look at the IC late game. The IC is usually going to be a stronger player because of what the role itself is. There is a reason that there are requirements for that position. Im not saying that they are crazy hard to fulfill, just that they are there and as a result new players are going to hold them in a different light. So you guys are saying the same thing with minor changes to nonsupport bearing beams to the overall argument.
this is bullshit and you know it

new player might look at them in a different light
but there is no way an IC is usually a stronger player
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #221) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:38 am

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In post 1084, Quick wrote:
In post 1046, OkaPoka wrote:Because if you are scum, we lynch me today, you can nk one of those two and worst case scenario the other person is scum, nobody here is going to have the guts to oppose you and your bloc.
I didn't realize I was on the Town block...
Well I'm reading you as town.
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #222) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:41 am

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im trying to resist being lynch
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #223) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:41 am

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my wagon keeps dying off because im town

nobody is coming here and actively derailing the wagon except me

because im town
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #224) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:15 am

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yes thanks for repeating what ive said in a more direct way
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #225) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:47 am

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I don't like the state of this game with me being the only big wagon.
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #226) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:51 am

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And as we approach the deadline, the chances of a successful counterwagon to my own are going to be diminishing pretty rapidly.

We are going to need a spike in scumhunting, hoping I can get Formerfish's reaction to my post on Iceman even if he blows up on me. And I'm also hoping I can get trinity to get me some actual examples of my responses to questions.
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #227) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:57 am

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@nancy say you couldn't lynch me today, who would you be going after for the lynch today?
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #228) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:06 pm

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yeah but now that its coalesced onto me its bad
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #229) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:20 pm

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because lynching town is generally bad and its looking apparent that it might happen as we approach the deadline
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #230) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:24 pm

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But it doesn't change the fact that I don't like the gamestate right now?
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #231) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:29 pm

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@quick, are you still sold on FF as scum for the moment? Do you have any other scumreads?
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Post Post #1113 (isolation #232) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm

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Yeah I understand that.

Can I have your FF case soon?
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #233) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:15 pm

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In post 1121, nancy wrote:Trinity, please answer my questions for you?
mine as well

to specify i want actual examples in which i made responses to other people's questions, not merely posts you dislike
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #234) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:17 pm

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@Iceman, is an accurate depiction of your strategy involving ICs?

"To summarize:
He wants to policy lynch if we don't have a strong way to go by day 3, I vote him.
He "refines" it to become an utterly useless strategy that will never happen, now its about having either reads or no reads.
He "rerefines" it to becoming a thing about having strong leads to scrutinze." <- that part specifically
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #235) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:52 am

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In post 1139, nancy wrote:
In post 1053, OkaPoka wrote:actually you can lynch me today

i think whymafia can stand up to yall
Also, this is certainly a post.

Lmao.
Meh, fuck the no lynch pool today in general.

These newbies are all pretty decent and bold enough to the point where I have faith in them if they are town.
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #236) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:03 am

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@flicker in response to your thing, please don't go ahead and lynch me. we still have time to scumhunt.

still waiting for trinity responses
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #237) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:07 am

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In post 1138, nancy wrote:Well I went over my unaligned reads for Oka and I have Trinity and Iceman as pretty strongly unaligned with him, and Trinity also clear from spew (kinda think he may have TMI'd her townflip in ). FF/Oka isn't the likeliest team but I don't think I would rule them out entirely. He's clearly insane enough as a player that I don't really trust myself to read him for this kind of thing as much as I might for someone else.

I don't really have any other antialignments on him that mean anything.

There are some nebulous things that whisper the name Eragon when I think about who his most likely partner is but that's also the part of me that wants to invoke rule of 3 on his Trinity/Iceman/Eragon thing so lol.
What is the rule of 3?

You can read my most recent newbie scum game here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=23817
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #238) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:07 am

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In post 1150, Flicker wrote:
In post 1148, OkaPoka wrote:@flicker in response to your thing, please don't go ahead and lynch me. we still have time to scumhunt.
Okay, that doesn't really answer my question, though. Like, say Trinity was the one who claimed instead of you, do we go ahead and lynch Trinity to avoid running someone else up and getting another claim?

This post is specifically what I'm referencing from my first newbie game, if that helps at all:
In post 324, Not Known 15 wrote:There is another reason now why we should not lynch anyone but you: You claimed vanilla townie. If we bring other people to L-1 and a claim we just make PR hunting easier for scum.
(I asked NK15 to elaborate on this, too, and IIRC he never did, probably because we got bogged down in D2 massclaiming. Oh, Newbie 1863. :roll: )
if we still have time i think its worth to continue to scumhunt and run people up if we find someone who becomes more scummy than trinity if that answers your question.
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #239) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:12 am

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risk v reward

find it unlikely that we are going to get someone scummier than trinity tho
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #240) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:21 am

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Could you expand more on your reads? Particularly the scum reads/last 3.
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #241) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:38 am

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unless 1072 was backpedaling and misrepping his own statement? I mean his first post on policylynching the IC wasn't we should scrutinize the IC it was policy lynch day before lylo if we have no strong reads.
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #242) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:09 pm

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How would you characterize my scum vs town game? Sorry if you've said this before, maybe I missed it or forgot it.
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #243) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:12 pm

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Also is there evidence to this rule of 3 thing? If a scum player groups 3 town players would that mean there is a chance of their partner being in there too?
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #244) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:56 pm

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Okay that's a fair criticism of a difference in play between here and my other town games. I have been a lot more jumpy on my reads this game than usual resulting in some interesting flip flops.

I mean if a scum player marks 3 people as town like he was forming a town bloc.

My lynch order is not set right now, I am seeking a formerfish response to my iceman vote and see his take on the game before I do anything drastic. I have some reads and thoughts that are going to hinge on how Formerfish responds and it will develop some reads outside of my Formerfish read. Also want to see if Trinity ever responds to my posts because I feel like I'm getting CJ'd.
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #245) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:57 pm

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In post 1167, nancy wrote:@Trinity I dunno what to say honestly, it's not really good enough to just list names in an order, you have to be able to talk about why those names are ordered the way they are. Like, you were able to talk about FF and Oka at least to some degree, that fact that you're completely unable to articulate any form of a scumread on anyone else at this point is super super worrying. You've also got FF in your lynch pool which is ???, you have stated a townread on FF, please explain how that makes sense.

I was planning on voting Oka this morning when I woke up but after Trinity's recent posting I'm kinda torn. In the world where Trinity is mafia then her flip would clear Oka and that's not a small thing. In the world where she's town then I want to lynch Oka pretty much always but my townread on her isn't as strong as it was and if I think there's a realistic chance of Trinity being mafia then I'm kind of inclined to give that read more time to develop and just put Trinity/Oka aside until tomorrow.

I think I want to lynch Quick the most at this point. There's just so much scum motivation in the way that he's been treating the Oka wagon and I've been mostly turning a blind eye to it but I don't think I can anymore. He's also just not doing anything this game and generally speaking that's never a bad type of slot to lynch on day 1.

@Everyone please share with the class who you would be willing to lynch today.

I think my lynch preference for today is Quick->Eragon->FF.
My previous post was in response to this post.
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #246) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:57 pm

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fuck
In post 1169, nancy wrote:
In post 1164, OkaPoka wrote:How would you characterize my scum vs town game? Sorry if you've said this before, maybe I missed it or forgot it.
The biggest difference was probably your activity levels. The biggest difference between the town games that I read and this game is that your reads actually made sense and your process wasn't a complete nightmare in those games the way it is here.
In post 1165, OkaPoka wrote:Also is there evidence to this rule of 3 thing? If a scum player groups 3 town players would that mean there is a chance of their partner being in there too?
Who knows. And... what? If a scum player groups 3 town players... they're... town... and town can't be a mafia partner...
wrong one
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #247) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:58 pm

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I am most definitely getting Ceejay'd.
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #248) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:03 pm

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In post 205, Formerfish wrote:
In post 192, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 188, Formerfish wrote:
In post 152, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: iceman

ill leave it here because i have no idea what you would want to policy lynch an IC and simultaneously compliment them
I don't like this vote from you Oka. Iceman is a newbie and he is going to have some newbie ideas. I remember the days of my first few games and I thought that I was going to change the world. I was going to make people play the game the way I thought it should be best played. I was going to lynch people to make them active and to make them change their evil ways by leading lynches on them no matter what. The idea that an IC shouldnt last very long in the game isn't without merit. Think about it. If IC is town they are the best player for town because of experience, scum will want to kill them to try and deny town their best player. If IC is scum they are never going to be killed if everyone just town reads the IC because they are teaching the game.

Most of the time getting to lynch an IC before endgame doesn't happen because scum kills them early, but when you think about it an IC playing late into the game is something to be suspect about. I don't think that there are many scum teams out there playing the long con with the IC and getting away with it, ya know?
maybe he is town but im not getting many scumreads rn and i feel like his post on nancy is fake and the comment on IC's sounds like he wants to keep his lynch options open
When have you ever had strong scum reads on day 1, thats not really your style man? See, its posts like this that do worry me about you. Of course hes keeping his options open, its day 1, we all have our options open. I would not lynch like 3 people right now, the rest are all lynchable to some degree. This is overly aggressive play from you at this point in the game, and its propelling you further up my list of to die.
Have we ever played together in which I was here day 1?
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Post Post #1187 (isolation #249) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:09 pm

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I don't typically do this, but I think voting up quick is going down the wrong path and we don't really have time to go down the wrong path when we are approaching the deadline.

I am pretty sure Quick has put time into this game and he has given us some form of reads, it's distributed over a wide number of posts.
More specifically he is actively scumreading Formerfish and has interacted with him, but Formerfish hasn't shown up for about two days so Quick can't do much there. Quick is also expressing doubt and seems to be poking around with Trinity on the side, so there is that.

We can continue to sort Quick, but I don't think that we should lynch him today.
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #250) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:27 pm

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How I read it was Quick was essentially accusing Formerfish of emotional manipulation or something along those lines.
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #251) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:50 pm

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Welp, at least the odds of a Quick/Nancy scumteam just plummeted to 1%.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #252) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:43 pm

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In post 1193, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1103, OkaPoka wrote:And as we approach the deadline, the chances of a successful counterwagon to my own are going to be diminishing pretty rapidly.

We are going to need a spike in scumhunting, hoping I can get Formerfish's reaction to my post on Iceman even if he blows up on me. And I'm also hoping I can get trinity to get me some actual examples of my responses to questions.
I think that there is nothing to gain from going after Ice because of the IC thing. I get what he is saying and if you are choosing not to then thats on you. Iceman is not scum here.
But how exactly am I misrepping Iceman?
check my , I think its clear that Iceman has redefined his policy multiple times. I don't feel like I've done a poor job in repeating what Iceman has said.

You might get what he is saying or you might be reading between the lines to extract some subtle implied information, but nonetheless I feel like I have not misrepped Iceman, it's pretty blatant with some of the posts Iceman has made in what he is saying.
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #253) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:51 pm

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bro

vote me ok

but you want to give me that evidence ive been waiting for
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #254) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:56 pm

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In post 671, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 668, OkaPoka wrote:Talk to me about ff, write up a case with some evidence
OK, so I know this is going to make me look flaky, but looking for evidence has just made me confused! FF looks to me like apart from the interaction with Quick, he’s mainly spent time leaning on Oka and not really putting in the effort on everyone else. And I don’t think he’s tried hard to defend the votes on him. But I’ve had to admit that I do like that he’s after Oka as I think Oka could be scum, which would possibly, but not definitely, mean that FF isn’t.

My current thinking is:

Nancy - strong town. We all know why.
Oka - scum lean, mainly because of the weak case he was trying to make on me, and poor answers to questions others have asked.

Iceman - slight town lean, as I’ve liked his theory posts, although his vote on Quick seemed a bit forced, and not for the best of reasons. I don’t think not reading posts is AI.
Quick - slight scum lean. I initially didn’t think scum would be so blasé about the attack from IceMan. But some of his posts are scummy sounding, like ‘you are trying to upset me more and get me to make a mistake’. As mafia in the last game I worried about making mistakes, but in this game I’m not worried so much as what sort of mistakes can I make? I mean, I can make silly mistakes where people might think I’m stupid, but I can’t think what type of think a ‘mistake’ I could make that would be really bad.
Flicker - slight scum lean, the unvote of Oka seems strange.
Eragon - town lean originally, as he came in with a hiss and a roar, but that has tapered off, so null at the moment.
Why Mafia - town lean. I’m linking his posts. He’s put in a lot of effort really quickly and looks like he’s making an effort to understand the game, and made some good cases.
FF - was my strongest scum lean, but I’m backing off that, as noted above.

UNVOTE: FormerFish
Oka - scum lean, mainly because of the weak case he was trying to make on me, and poor answers to questions others have asked.
In post 1009, TrinityNZ wrote:Oka, you asked for examples, so here’s a couple of things:

First, you said this:
In post 28, OkaPoka wrote:Typically speaking, you should at least check in once every 24 hours at the bare minimum to comment on things, answer questions, or ask questions, but as the deadline gets closer, it is good to increase your posting and be more active, especially if no real lynch candidates have been presented imo.
Then, you said this about me to start reading me in scum, even though I was doing exactly what you said in the post above. And this seems to be the only reason you have for reading me as scum. I just don’t think it’s a good enough reason. It’s like you’re clutching at straws. you even noted you didn’t have any questions for me. And since this post, you’ve been constantly on my case.
In post 283, OkaPoka wrote:yeah i think trinity is scum, she hasn't really meaningful engaged with anyone without really being prompted to.
feels like she is reading the thread, answers any questions directed at her and then disappears
town would be more proactive imo

VOTE: trinity
ff might hate me for voting her already but i don't really have questions for her
Below is an example of another post from you I didn’t like. I couldn’t see why you would ask this question.
In post 31, OkaPoka wrote:@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3
Having spent about the last two hours reading recent posts, and responding, I’m coming to the conclusion that you might not be mafia after all. I think your push on me is so strong, that if I am mislynched, you would look really suspicious because your push has been so strong, and I don’t think you are that stupid. I think if you were mafia you would have been easing back a bit on me and letting others do the work. So after all that, I’m reading you as town now.

UNVOTE: OkaPoka

I have no idea who to vote for now, that will have to be tomorrow’s job, I’ve spent too much time here tonight already.

I hope I’ve answered everyone’s questions.
These are not examples of poor responses to other people's questions.

I continue to await. Like I have been.
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Post Post #1209 (isolation #255) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:09 pm

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How can you be an accurate judge of my day 1 meta then?

How am I misrepping Iceman?
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #256) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:18 pm

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In post 1214, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1198, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 1193, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1103, OkaPoka wrote:And as we approach the deadline, the chances of a successful counterwagon to my own are going to be diminishing pretty rapidly.

We are going to need a spike in scumhunting, hoping I can get Formerfish's reaction to my post on Iceman even if he blows up on me. And I'm also hoping I can get trinity to get me some actual examples of my responses to questions.
I think that there is nothing to gain from going after Ice because of the IC thing. I get what he is saying and if you are choosing not to then thats on you. Iceman is not scum here.
But how exactly am I misrepping Iceman?
check my , I think its clear that Iceman has redefined his policy multiple times. I don't feel like I've done a poor job in repeating what
Iceman has said.

You might get what he is saying or you might be reading between the lines to extract some subtle implied information, but nonetheless I feel like I have not misrepped Iceman, it's pretty blatant with some of the posts Iceman has made in what he is saying.
Do you think that Iceman is advocating for a baseless policy lynch on the IC if they are alive on day 3?
He blatantly said lynch the IC if we have no strong reads day before lylo, so unless he is lying, yes.
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #257) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:24 pm

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Can I join Quick's team so its a temporary 2v1 so you can answer my question of:
In post 1209, OkaPoka wrote:How can you be an accurate judge of my day 1 meta then?

How am I misrepping Iceman?
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #258) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:33 pm

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Okay there is no way town!formerfish wants to stir the pot this much.
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #259) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:38 pm

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Formerfish is a strong player who strongarms lynches.

He attacks, picks, and essentially bullies his target whether he is right or wrong until others can see his way and get his target lynched.

But he doesn't stir the pot, Formerfish does not openly challenge others to a 1v1. More likely if you piss him off he just ignores you and tries to get others to vote his target.

Either a) my 1 game with formerfish is not a strong enough sample size b) he is legitimately wanting to 1v1 you or c) he is scum and wants to waste a couple days spamming this game with an argument that he probably will win
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #260) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:42 pm

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@Formerfish
In post 1209, OkaPoka wrote:How can you be an accurate judge of my day 1 meta then?

How am I misrepping Iceman?
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #261) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:46 pm

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I don't think we are completely disintegrating?
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #262) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:49 pm

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63105
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report back to me if this isn't an aggro town game day 1
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Post Post #1251 (isolation #263) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:53 pm

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@ff
We aren't lynching Quick today.

Why is your vote on quick, not trinity?
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #264) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:03 pm

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nobody's being abusive and talk about being abusive is wasting time and is going to get this game to 100 pages
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #265) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:06 pm

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@TRINITY CLAIM

also answer my questions please
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #266) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:13 pm

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@ff how confident are you in quick scum?
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #267) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:17 pm

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In post 1280, nancy wrote:Hm. Maybe you're right WhyMafia?

I've basically ruled out everyone except Flicker and Eragon as Trinity's partners and Eragon just put her to L-1 so now I'm kind of ruling him out too and I townread Flicker...

I could be misclearing a team but I don't think I am?

Talk to me about why you think makes sense to you?
nah, if we assume Eragon is fully caught up then he could be sensing that the thread is turning hostile against Trinity and thus he is trying to sneak onto the wagon for towncred. assuming trinity is scum
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Post Post #1293 (isolation #268) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:25 pm

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You are about to be lynched, we want to know whether you are a pr or not.
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #269) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:55 pm

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hey nancy, how much does mislynching make you doubt yourself for the rest of the game?

@ff because its unrealistic
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #270) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:56 pm

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@nancy, explain to me the town motivation of refusing to interact with other people.
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #271) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:59 pm

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Also convenient to not talk with the person that scumreads you the most.
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #272) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:03 pm

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If I die and trinity lives. She may never have to cite her sources. And she is refusing to interact with me.

So someone else get trinity to answer my questions please and thank you, voting trinity would be nice.

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Post Post #1330 (isolation #273) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:26 pm

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@nancy, what do you make of trinity refusing to interact with me?
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #274) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:37 pm

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What, trinity literally said she is refusing to answer any questions from me...
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #275) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:38 pm

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In post 1292, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 1276, OkaPoka wrote:@TRINITY CLAIM

also answer my questions please
I am town. Just because I’m not very good at playing this game, I’m being mistakenly read as scum. I guess it’s my own fault, but that doesn’t make it right.
Oka I’m not answering any more questions from you, I’ve already said.
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #276) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:40 pm

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She picked the fight tho.

She accused me of something for y reason.

She hasn't given proper evidence of y reason.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #277) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:41 pm

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In post 671, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 668, OkaPoka wrote:Talk to me about ff, write up a case with some evidence
OK, so I know this is going to make me look flaky, but looking for evidence has just made me confused! FF looks to me like apart from the interaction with Quick, he’s mainly spent time leaning on Oka and not really putting in the effort on everyone else. And I don’t think he’s tried hard to defend the votes on him. But I’ve had to admit that I do like that he’s after Oka as I think Oka could be scum, which would possibly, but not definitely, mean that FF isn’t.

My current thinking is:

Nancy - strong town. We all know why.
Oka - scum lean, mainly because of the weak case he was trying to make on me, and
poor answers to questions others have asked
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Iceman - slight town lean, as I’ve liked his theory posts, although his vote on Quick seemed a bit forced, and not for the best of reasons. I don’t think not reading posts is AI.
Quick - slight scum lean. I initially didn’t think scum would be so blasé about the attack from IceMan. But some of his posts are scummy sounding, like ‘you are trying to upset me more and get me to make a mistake’. As mafia in the last game I worried about making mistakes, but in this game I’m not worried so much as what sort of mistakes can I make? I mean, I can make silly mistakes where people might think I’m stupid, but I can’t think what type of think a ‘mistake’ I could make that would be really bad.
Flicker - slight scum lean, the unvote of Oka seems strange.
Eragon - town lean originally, as he came in with a hiss and a roar, but that has tapered off, so null at the moment.
Why Mafia - town lean. I’m linking his posts. He’s put in a lot of effort really quickly and looks like he’s making an effort to understand the game, and made some good cases.
FF - was my strongest scum lean, but I’m backing off that, as noted above.

UNVOTE: FormerFish
the y reason in question
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #278) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:43 pm

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"poor answers to questions other have asked"
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #279) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:45 pm

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In post 1009, TrinityNZ wrote:Oka, you asked for examples, so here’s a couple of things:

First, you said this:
In post 28, OkaPoka wrote:Typically speaking, you should at least check in once every 24 hours at the bare minimum to comment on things, answer questions, or ask questions, but as the deadline gets closer, it is good to increase your posting and be more active, especially if no real lynch candidates have been presented imo.
Then, you said this about me to start reading me in scum, even though I was doing exactly what you said in the post above. And this seems to be the only reason you have for reading me as scum. I just don’t think it’s a good enough reason. It’s like you’re clutching at straws. you even noted you didn’t have any questions for me. And since this post, you’ve been constantly on my case.
In post 283, OkaPoka wrote:yeah i think trinity is scum, she hasn't really meaningful engaged with anyone without really being prompted to.
feels like she is reading the thread, answers any questions directed at her and then disappears
town would be more proactive imo

VOTE: trinity
ff might hate me for voting her already but i don't really have questions for her
Below is an example of another post from you I didn’t like. I couldn’t see why you would ask this question.
In post 31, OkaPoka wrote:@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3
Having spent about the last two hours reading recent posts, and responding, I’m coming to the conclusion that you might not be mafia after all. I think your push on me is so strong, that if I am mislynched, you would look really suspicious because your push has been so strong, and I don’t think you are that stupid. I think if you were mafia you would have been easing back a bit on me and letting others do the work. So after all that, I’m reading you as town now.

UNVOTE: OkaPoka

I have no idea who to vote for now, that will have to be tomorrow’s job, I’ve spent too much time here tonight already.

I hope I’ve answered everyone’s questions.
this is the closest i could find to her evidence.

only the first quote could be construed as an answer to a question, but its not being used as a poor answer to questions other people have asked
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #280) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:00 pm

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Are we going to do some preflip speculation?
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #281) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:59 am

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Okay this might get slightly personal and by no means do I accurately know how people feel.

Quick throughout this game has been acting slightly irritable, but he has gone through and explained his thought process on Formerfish previously, and though you and I might find it lacking and needing a bit more depth, and you might even find it disingenuous, I believe I can see where he is coming from and where he is going with his Fomerfish reads and likewise some of his other reads. Yes he has been reluctant at points to go in depth, but from my perspective it seems like Quick is acting from a town alignment that is pissed off.

Meanwhile Trinity has been warm and receptive this entire game. She has complimented others and though she hasn't really done proactive acts that often, she has been extremely open to answering any questions and willing to clarify anything about herself. So when she outright denies me the ability to Q&A her, what left is there? I have said repeatedly that the best way for me to develop reads is through interactions with others rather than watching other people interact, and she has denied me of the ability to do so. When someone receptive suddenly shuts off contact with me, its out of their personality to do so, and people normally don't go out of their way to act differently than their real self unless they are playing a PR/Mafia.

Quick is a question we as a town will have to answer tomorrow, but I felt like a push on Quick today would have been a dangerous waste of time, distracting us from the real scum in Trinity. I feel like it might just be a personality thing for Quick to refuse to go in depth, but at least he is interacting with others, not just blacklisting and refusing to talk.
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #282) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:19 am

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I believe nancy wants you to explain your Formerfish thought process more and respond to her comments that you said you didn't want to create a quote war over.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #283) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:04 am

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basically have 1.5 days left so you should be good

+i think the next direction we have to go with this game is going to be wagon analysis and day 1 anaylsis, we have 56 pages of content (and counting) plus a flip to analyze day 2, we should have a lot of directions to go and a lot of content to work with
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Post Post #1392 (isolation #284) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:44 pm

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Is now really a good time to do this?
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #285) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:47 pm

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I guess it is assuming that you might be the nightkill
@nancy, how much does this flicker read depend on a trinity flip? Or is this an independent scumread.
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Post Post #1397 (isolation #286) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:52 pm

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uh whats cfd
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Post Post #1403 (isolation #287) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:57 pm

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why does iceman want to leave someone he marks scum to someone he marks null is the real question
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Post Post #1407 (isolation #288) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:04 pm

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but nancy and iceman's posts don't distract from the main two wagons?
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #289) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:10 pm

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We can add Flicker to the list of need to be sorted tomorrow.
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Post Post #1416 (isolation #290) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:15 pm

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i believe there is an intent to hammer her
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #291) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:48 pm

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we should all request a speed night btw

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Post Post #1425 (isolation #292) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:03 pm

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@trinity, who is your top scumread at the current moment? Top townread?
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Post Post #1428 (isolation #293) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:11 pm

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baited.

why did you answer that question but not my other question(s)? ( i just want understand your mindset if you do flip town )
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #294) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:18 pm

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@trinity, but your answer is not satisfactory nor does it fit your own requirements. That is why I want evidence, and you aren't providing. It's a good reason to lynch you because you are acting in the interest of town by answering my question or providing proper evidence.

We sort Flicker tomorrow because I feel like a lot of her alignment is going to depend on your flip, and I don't want to derail my primary scumread's wagon so we can find out whether flicker is town or not today.
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #295) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:15 am

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???????????

VOTE: eragon
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #296) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:30 pm

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hey micc banner became the hulk
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #297) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:56 pm

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think i null-scumread him because he wasnt doing much but didnt want to lynch him because vla business

nk makes me think its eragon tho for dumb and good reasons
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #298) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:02 pm

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Dumb reasons:

whoever killed flicker probably wasnt paying too much attention
eragon was kinda active on other forum

good reasons:

seemed like nancy was convinced in flicker/eragon team, killing flicker might clear eragon from his perspective
hindsight makes his trinity read kinda lazy, didn't really push her
in fact i dont think eragon did much interactions, just commenting and going
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Post Post #1466 (isolation #299) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:06 pm

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@nancy, reads right now? reaction from flicker nk?
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #300) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:45 am

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can you tell me why you think im maf?
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #301) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:31 am

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never is a strong word
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #302) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:32 pm

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i burned all my reads after trinity flip and then i tossed the ashes after flicker nk

imma go reevaluate everyone including quick, starting from scratch
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #303) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:33 pm

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i really dont get why scum would help me push trinity and not just lynch me instead
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Post Post #1480 (isolation #304) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:34 pm

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only explanation is that the original trinity counterwagon was full town, but that is really presumptive
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #305) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:39 pm

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In post 1128, Micc wrote:
Votecount 1.19
OkaPoka (3) -
IcemanCh, WhyMafia, Formerfish
Formerfish (1) -
Quick
TrinityNZ (1) -
OkaPoka
WhyMafia (1) -
Flicker

Not Voting (3) -
Eragon, TrinityNZ, nancy

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2018-07-23 11:49:57).

Prodding Eragon.
In post 1151, Micc wrote:
Votecount 1.20
OkaPoka (3) -
IcemanCh, WhyMafia, Formerfish
TrinityNZ (2) -
OkaPoka, Flicker
Formerfish (1) -
Quick

Not Voting (3) -
Eragon, TrinityNZ, nancy

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2018-07-23 11:49:57).

Prodding Formerfish.
In post 1310, Micc wrote:
This is a friendly reminder that although mafia can be a stressful game that with tough personal interactions, the expectation is that players refrain from excessively abusive behavior. I've reviewed the posts since my most recent votecount. While I don't think any posts have crossed that line, I want to remind everyone that this is a game to be played for enjoyment, and request that everyone make a conscious effort to keep the game civil and respectful.


Votecount 1.21
OkaPoka (4) -
IcemanCh, WhyMafia, TrinityNZ, nancy
TrinityNZ (3) -
OkaPoka, Flicker, Eragon
Formerfish (1) -
Quick
Quick (1) -
Formerfish

Not Voting (0) -


With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2018-07-23 11:49:57).
In post 1350, Micc wrote:
Votecount 1.22
OkaPoka (4) -
IcemanCh, WhyMafia, TrinityNZ, nancy
TrinityNZ (4) -
OkaPoka, Flicker, Eragon, Formerfish
Formerfish (1) -
Quick

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With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2018-07-23 11:49:57).


Prodding IcemanCh.
looking at least at this progression
ill call the last vc the core of the lynch


so the core would be <okapoka, flicker, eragon,ff>
im town
flicker is town

but why would scum!eragon and scum!ff not just string me up?

explanation for scum!ff would be i guess he wants to pocket me, but more obvious and easier explanation is that he is town. the problem is im expecting some "town tells" of sample size 1 from FF that im not getting. Formerfish had a scumread on me and was even pushing me, why not just continue pushing me? He was one of the first to push me.

if there has to be scum on the trinity wagon it would be eragon, but again why didn't he just intent to hammer me or vote me instead as scum? im confused
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #306) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:43 pm

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In post 1453, Micc wrote:
Votecount 1.23
TrinityNZ (5) -
OkaPoka, Flicker, Eragon, Formerfish, IcemanCh
OkaPoka (2) -
WhyMafia, TrinityNZ
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Flicker (1) -
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With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.
ofc with hammer maybe iceman is scum?

but the problem with that is it don't really know why iceman would bother with the hammer as scum, he knows quick is going to hammer and if quick doesn't then iceman doesn't get any blame and we have a route for a lynch today.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #307) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:45 pm

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PoE says the scum is in <Eragon,WhyMafia,nancy,Quick>

the others just have too much going for them that makes scum!them not make sense, it would be more optimal imo for them to do other actions as scum.
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Post Post #1484 (isolation #308) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:49 pm

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the big question mark to me is flicker nk and why nancy went after her EoD.

im going to need some more substantial content/interaction from quick to give a decent ish evaluation rn.
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #309) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:53 pm

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but then again Formerfish can still be playing long con

he isn't acting like he was acting with my previous game, in fact its quite different in content/tone/method/activity
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Post Post #1486 (isolation #310) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:59 pm

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and why would scum!nancy even say the things she is saying

why would see even try to defend my play as possible town if she were scum

and her eod comments make no sense from scum other than wifom town cred i guess

nothing makes sense

vote eragon
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #311) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:11 pm

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@nancy, what were you hoping to gain from your last second Flicker push and what is your reaction to flicker being nk'd?
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #312) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:47 pm

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In post 1491, Eragon wrote:wtf was that nightkill

Oka stop acting like your confirmed town

what the hell is your progression on Nancy?

why did you talk about reasons for FF to not be scum on the wagon but not me?

and I didnt hammer/vote you because im not scum, and trinity was a stronger SR

where im at rn is. POE-{Iceman, Oka, quick, FF, WhyMafia}
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{oka, quick, FF}
i can act like im confirmed town when im speaking my inner rambles, those posts were me thinking at loud, if you dont want me to say what im thinking and do edits i guess i can be more reserved but noone else was talking so i needed to breathe life into the game

things aren't making sense with nancy!scum so thats my progression

because formerfish has more reasons for me to doubt his scum potential and i think finding is alignment is more important than yours soz
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Post Post #1496 (isolation #313) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:00 pm

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i do care

but when im rambling i ramble about things that make sense
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #314) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:01 pm

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don't make sense*

We can have a focused discussion about what does tho
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #315) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:08 pm

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TrinityNZ (4) - OkaPoka, Flicker, nancy
OkaPoka (3) - IcemanCh, WhyMafia, TrinityNZ
Formerfish (1) - Quick
Quick (1) - Formerfish

Not Voting (1) - , Eragon

i think this was the scenario right before Eragon voted. So honestly it doesn't really matter for Eragon because at this point he could just choose whoever he wants to lynch to lynch. it would be the same amount of easiness to mislynch either of us so it i could see scum!eragon vote me.

right before hand FF unvotes me, removing me from L1 so from a certain perspective it could be interpreted as my wagon losing steam while trinity wagon is still growing thus by sensing wagon stocks, trinity would be an easier lynch to pull off for scum. meanwhile FF derails a hot wagon to pursue other ventures. if FF is indeed scum, he knows I'm town, and i dont see FF scum derailing a hot wagon.
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #316) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:11 pm

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In post 1490, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1485, OkaPoka wrote:but then again Formerfish can still be playing long con

he isn't acting like he was acting with my previous game, in fact its quite different in content/tone/method/activity
Yeah. I feel like I've explained this. I don't think you are going to see me the same way game to game right now. I think you could see things in me and things I do, but I am going to edit pieces out of my play and try others. Each of my games so far has shown a progression of sorts. There is no longer con. Just trying to parse the situation we are in now and how we got to be here.
Even with a playstyle change, why are you so quiet? Are you trying to be more reserved this game? What are your reads at the moment? Even when you played Cop, arguably strongest PR in the game, you went guns blazin.
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Post Post #1504 (isolation #317) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:29 pm

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Why do you want others to talk before you?

also note the new deadline, hesitation isn't going to do town any favors.
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Post Post #1511 (isolation #318) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:13 am

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iceman? why the l1 and naked vote?
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Post Post #1512 (isolation #319) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:19 am

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???????????
i referenced it too
wtf was that nightkill
- eragon did it too
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #320) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:27 am

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dude three people were surprised by that kill, we cant all be scum. think you are reading too much into it
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #321) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:33 am

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@quick its me, eragon, whymafia: my post of ???????? was directed at the nk

@whymafia weren't you going to write up a more detailed post explaining why im scum and not devolve into feeling reads? you have 300+ posts to look into, you can find something.
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Post Post #1522 (isolation #322) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:34 am

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@quick, what im saying is that there is an extremely sizeable chance that this scumread direction is wrong since there are three people doing your scumtell and only two of us have a chance at being scum.

But whatever, could you elaborate why drawing attention to the nk is scummy?
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #323) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:35 am

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@whymafia im going to need specific examples and elaborations
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Post Post #1528 (isolation #324) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:44 am

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Alright that's fair.
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Post Post #1533 (isolation #325) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:11 am

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1) understand that early game has little information so your reads aren't going to be content driven or action based, its going to be based on tone and small things, and tone reads are weak but tone reads felt town early
2) understand that inaction and refusal to spice things up early leads to apathy and its a pretty good way to stall the game as scum so yes im going to scumread people that aren't talking much
3) ice blatantly said what he said, i don't need to delve and read between the lines when he outright states his gameplan for the IC
4) you are wrong, i pushed ice early, before town pressured me. i would disagree on your comment of my lack of proactivity, it is proactive to attack iceman early for his comments.
5) i had no question for trinity at the time because the only way she could prove to me she was town was by interacting with others and pushing something, show conviction. if i ask her questions she responds, which is reactive.
6) yes tone reads are flimsy and easy to ditch once more content and activity kicks in. early game reads are always in fluctuation, things happen and reads change

in fact i got grilled early for being aggro and attacking people. the second vote on me was from formerfish who said he didn't like my aggro play. so either you are wrong or formerfish is wrong.

also im not taking ice's viewpoint to an extreme, im moderating it in fact. ice wants us to lynch nancy if we have no strong reads coming into d3 while im just saying we shouldn't mark her as obv town because she is fully capable of playing this style as scum.

i guess my read on flicker was a bit sheepy, but the difference between scum sheep and town sheep is scum sheep just votes with the crowd while town sheep gets influenced by it but doesn't necessarily take action.

@micc there should be 3 on eragon
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #326) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:23 am

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is it safe to assume that nancy is a rational and optimal player?
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Post Post #1543 (isolation #327) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:23 am

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UNVOTE:

im going to recalibrate some reads
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #328) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:01 pm

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@nancy why the unvote if eragon is no longer at l1?
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #329) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:09 pm

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@iceman okay but why did you l1?
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #330) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:20 pm

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VOTE: nancy
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #331) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:21 pm

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In post 1506, nancy wrote:
In post 1504, OkaPoka wrote:Why do you want others to talk before you?

also note the new deadline, hesitation isn't going to do town any favors.
Because it helps me sort them better.

Am not really planning on making too many posts this day phase, mostly interested to see who does stuff without me and who sits on their ass.
Am not really planning on making too many posts this day phase, mostly interested to see who does stuff without me and who sits on their ass.
thats my case
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Post Post #1562 (isolation #332) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:26 pm

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honestly this whole im being quiet rn because <reason> is some shit id do as scum when i dont wanna talk
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Post Post #1564 (isolation #333) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:27 pm

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tho i do it as town sometimes for real reasons

and now ive hit a loop

formerfish and nancy please do something
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Post Post #1568 (isolation #334) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:05 pm

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talk more, show conviction, push someone, do something. i can't read you because you are playing radically different and i don't know what to make of your plays. im trying to figure out what you are seeing and doing but im drawing blanks.
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #335) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:12 pm

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@formerfish, what do you make of the flicker nk? just say something so nancy will start talking please
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #336) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:52 pm

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@formerfish what are you going to do about your lack of a read on nancy?
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Post Post #1574 (isolation #337) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:02 pm

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@iceman, how was formerfish like in your previous game(s) with him?
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Post Post #1578 (isolation #338) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:30 pm

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i checked why_mafia, he subbed out of other games as well
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #339) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:13 pm

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This Formerfish slot has been bothering me for a while, and I can’t really make sense of it. I have iterated my confusion over his game plan if he is indeed, scum, previously but I am also confused by his whole game plan if he is town.

For a game like this one and such a “chaotic” game state that has the town completely out of wack, I am getting the impression that Formerfish is awfully content with how it’s going. I’m going to be referencing old Formerfish a bit here, so I’ll first establish my impression of what old Formerfish was like.

To preface, old Formerfish isn’t like a year ago Formerfish, it’s a few weeks ago. Though Formerfish has reiterated countless times that he is trying something new, I just can’t see why he would so drastically change his play as town, and I feel like he is discarding some of the outstanding qualities that made Formerfish such a dominant player.

Old Formerfish, first and foremost, was extremely vocal and dominant. There was a constant and high level of interaction and activity. He was spontaneous in his thought and actions and was relentless. He would drop comments on how he was reading others constantly and posted updates on what he thought on about every single interaction that occurred. He would question everyone and everything, and his style of questioning by his own words was to get scum to wear out and slip up eventually. He would call bullshit on anything he felt was off and would strongarm the lynch on those he called out.

But this Formerfish is radically different. He is calling out others at times, yes, and he has even called me out and stuff. But I am getting the feeling more and more that these interactions and comments by Formerfish are a token effort. I town read Formerfish at the beginning of the game because he showed promise of old town Formerfish who was spontaneous and ready to call others out, but as we hit end of day 1 and now day 2, I’m not seeing it anymore. We should have enough content for Formerfish to go out and hunt and eventually barrage with his posts, but Formerfish seems meek in a sense. For example, I’d expect town!Formerfish to go out and develop his read on nancy if he can’t really read her, ask her a stream of questions, but he isn’t doing that. I realize this could be a change in playstyle and personality to be more nice and reserved, but Formerfish has demonstrated a sharper edge earlier in the game, which seems completely lost now. Hell, the fact that he backed off when nancy told him was shocking in a sense.

But then again, I could be wrong. Maybe I’m misreading this and don’t see what is truly going on. I’m just worried because Formerfish isn’t displaying the same fearless and dominant gameplay that he has shown he can play, instead he seems to have opted for something else. Maybe it is a conscious effort in redesigning his play, but I don’t feel like this style of play really benefits town, at least in its current game state. Town is directionless right now, we are running in circles, at least that’s how I feel. This new Formerfish, though not the sole cause, is playing a large part in how the game is feeling in day 2.

Just my two cents though, I’m open to criticism, hopefully from Formerfish.
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Post Post #1596 (isolation #340) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:07 am

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In post 1594, nancy wrote:
In post 1590, IcemanCh wrote:I didn't hammer early. I stated my intention. I gave more then enough time for anyone to say stop or do something differnt. When it came down to the final moments I again announced and made my intentions very clear.

You can't misconstrue that into a LOLhammer.
I said way before that I wanted flicker and eragon to catch up before hammer. Which they had just started doing, when you hammered. Right after I said don't hammer and you told me to go fuck myself.

Jesus I hate this site.
sorry what? could you link me this post?
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #341) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:16 am

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In post 1414, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1410, nancy wrote:I don't agree that pressure is no longer there when I take off my vote. I think you can push people very effectively and apply a ton of pressure without ever voting them.

@WM I don't have an issue with that post from Oka.

That's just not true and I'm not 100% sure why you keep saying it. I might be new but, I know effective pressure only really comes from intents to hammer. Which you've made sure we've avoided at all costs.
In post 1415, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1413, OkaPoka wrote:We can add Flicker to the list of need to be sorted tomorrow.

Trinity is at L-1 right?
In post 1417, IcemanCh wrote:Well make that a double intent.

I don't think she's scum. I think I've lost interest in pursing Oka as scum. For now. I think I have other questions.

UNVOTE:
In post 1419, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1418, nancy wrote:
In post 1414, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1410, nancy wrote:I don't agree that pressure is no longer there when I take off my vote. I think you can push people very effectively and apply a ton of pressure without ever voting them.

@WM I don't have an issue with that post from Oka.

That's just not true and I'm not 100% sure why you keep saying it. I might be new but, I know effective pressure only really comes from intents to hammer. Which you've made sure we've avoided at all costs.
One of my best friends who plays mafia almost never uses her vote. She has been playing way longer than I have, she is one of the best scumhunters I know, and she has pushed through more lynches without ever even voting the person than I have pushed through while voting them. Believe me, your vote is important but you don't need it to apply pressure to someone or even to lynch them. Not that I'm saying you should play like her... just have an open mind.
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I have an open mind but, I haven't seen any actual pressure from the way you're doing this. It's just the rug being pulled out from under town.
In post 1420, IcemanCh wrote:Everytime town get's their footing BAM it's gone.
In post 1439, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1429, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 1417, IcemanCh wrote:Well make that a double intent.

I don't think she's scum. I think I've lost interest in pursing Oka as scum. For now. I think I have other questions.

UNVOTE:
Why have you lost interest in Oka? Now would be the time as we’re so close to this mislynch on me.
It's probably better worded that I'm shelving my scum read on him at the moment. I'm tunneling him and it's not letting me push anywhere. We are not going to get him lynched today and I think for towns sake you have to be lynched. It is a mislynch but it's the only thing that will allow town to move on. I'll be very interested to see what he does tonight.
In post 1440, IcemanCh wrote:I'm going to hammer in an hour after I've had coffee
In post 1445, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1441, nancy wrote:If you think Trinity is a mislynch, then don't hammer her, Iceman. Jeez. What the heckie.

That is silly. She is town but, getting her flip will help reveal scum.

Odd that quick hasn't hammered like he said he would and he's letting me do it.......

VOTE: trinity
In post 1446, IcemanCh wrote:It'll be interesting to see what scum does tonight.
In post 1449, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1320, Quick wrote:I am coming around on Trinity. Feeling more and more like that is Scum.

Going to consolidate the wagons at this point, hate unvoting FF, but we need stances on stuff.

(was going to vote Trinity here). No longer going to because Trinity is at L-1.

Consider this an intent to hammer.

This was over 24 hours ago.
which one nancy? (which post did ice go ahead and tell you to fuck yourself)
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Post Post #1600 (isolation #342) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:21 am

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I can quote some more posts if none of these are the posts.
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #343) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:21 am

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or you can write the post number or something
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Post Post #1603 (isolation #344) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:27 am

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i linked you some posts you can pick out of it in the previous page, just say first, second, third or something or i can keep scouring

ill do the ctr;+f
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Post Post #1605 (isolation #345) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:32 am

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In post 1412, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1411, nancy wrote:Anyway I'm out, I'll be keeping up and stuff but I have laid out my reasoning, y'all can agree/disagree as you please. I'm not interested in muscling anything through or dictating where the lynch goes with the holy powers of persuasion. Think for yourselves and don't be sheep.

Pull pin, throw grenade, walk away.
In post 1409, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1403, OkaPoka wrote:why does iceman want to leave someone he marks scum to someone he marks null is the real question

Because there's more then 1 scum right?

Also, her reasoning and logic just resonate and make sense to me..... Does that make sense?
In post 1408, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1401, nancy wrote:
In post 1398, IcemanCh wrote:I'm sorta wanting to agree with Nancy and go with it. What do you all think?
Why do you need to hear other people's opinions, though? Also why don't you find it scummy that I'm doing this when you've been scumreading me whenever I move my vote before?

It wasn't that you were moving you're vote it was your reasons for moving the your vote.

You kept taking off your vote so no one would hammer and it prevented pressure from being applied.

This is different because you're moving for good reasons that kind make sense to me.
In post 1398, IcemanCh wrote:I'm sorta wanting to agree with Nancy and go with it. What do you all think?
In post 1384, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1383, Quick wrote:
In post 896, IcemanCh wrote:If we look at pure name recogintion and participation. Would anyone disagree that Eragon, Flicker, and WhyMafia float to the top as possible scum?

FF has been super engaged and consistent.
Trinity has been floating around but, in the mix with everyone else.
Oka has been crazy invovled even if I have a feeling he's scum.
Nancy.... I mean do we need more?
Quick.... well I don't like him for town. I think he's scum but, he's engaged a lot.


So does it seem odd that if I had to award participation awards I wouldn't give them to Eragon, Flicker, and WhyMafia?

They appear long enough to give reads and then gone.


Maybe, I'm nuts.
I don't think you are nuts. Players lurking hurts Town... a lot. but sometimes people have a lot of other stuff going on while playing. It's not always the same on other sites which I am sure you are aware of having played a few 48/24 games. Sometimes I feel like games move at a snail's pace on this site. I've actually tried not to post as much as I usually do, because usually I get SR for that because people can't keep up but I am actually only a mid-activity player on most other sites, site depending.

Is this still more or less where you are with reads? I should probably do a final Reads List before I (or someone else) hammers.

If I had to do an order from town to scum I think it would go like this. I don't think they've changed much.

Nancy - Town
Trinity FF - Somewhat town
Eregon Flicker - Null
Why Mafia Quick lean scum
OKta - Scum
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In post 1372, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1370, IcemanCh wrote:I still think Nancy is town I just don't like this controlling nature of the town wagons.

I also think it's a big mistake to lynch Trinity. I know I'll regret this if she does flip Scum but, I"m going to call it now. She's town.
Is this the same confidence that made you hop off the 2.8 train last game?

That was me being indecisive. I had him as scum and then second guessed it. Hopped off and was wrong. I'm trying to stick with my reads more unless something comes up to shatter it. I haven't seen anything to change either my scum read of Oka or my town read of trinity.
In post 1370, IcemanCh wrote:I still think Nancy is town I just don't like this controlling nature of the town wagons.

I also think it's a big mistake to lynch Trinity. I know I'll regret this if she does flip Scum but, I"m going to call it now. She's town.
In post 1369, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1366, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1364, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1290, nancy wrote:
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Kinda don't want to risk a hammer before WhyMafia has a chance to get back to me.
This is 1000% a scummy thing to do. Again.
I disagree. I can see how it can seem scummy, but think about it this way. If you think Nancy is scum for this then it'd only be scummy if she was bussing and pulled off her partners wagon like that. You've pointed out that she's done it twice now to different people. She can't be partnered with them both.

Now town is going to want to run people up, get some info and then regroup. It sounds like she is trying to get a read on WM and doesn't want the day to end before she can get those answers in case they end up being important.

I know that in a game recently I was cut off by the mod closing the thread for night. I had been working on this big post to explain where I thought the game was if I died. I never got a chance to post it because I was the nk. So I can understand why town!Nancy would pull off in those cases. She's not saying she isn't interested in the lynch anymore, just that we have a bit of time to look for some more answers.

It's not the association that makes me feel like it's scummy. It's the insistence on controlling the thread and what information the town has. It wouldn't come as such a shock if she did it when the intent to hammer was announced or after a claim has been made. The entire thing to me feels like a way to stunt the growth of town. We've been forced twice to stop a wagon and then get scattered again. To me scum is trying to run out the clock . I can tell you I'm 100% fatigued at this point. I don't want to look at the tread and try and reassess anything. Scum is winning.
In post 1368, IcemanCh wrote:Either way. For whatever reason. Your game is different in this game.
In post 1367, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1365, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1362, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1232, OkaPoka wrote:Formerfish is a strong player who strongarms lynches.

He attacks, picks, and essentially bullies his target whether he is right or wrong until others can see his way and get his target lynched.

But he doesn't stir the pot, Formerfish does not openly challenge others to a 1v1. More likely if you piss him off he just ignores you and tries to get others to vote his target.
This is what I've seen of FF as well.
You've seen me in two games and we haven't had a player like quick in either of them.

Right..... but that doesn't make my comment wrong. :)
In post 1364, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1290, nancy wrote:
Unvote


Kinda don't want to risk a hammer before WhyMafia has a chance to get back to me.
This is 1000% a scummy thing to do. Again.
In post 1363, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1234, nancy wrote:Everyone in the game needs to take a stance on the Trinity lynch. I personally don't think there's almost ever a world where she's town here after her readflip on Oka. I think her flip clears Oka and probably Quick. I think her FF read is weird but I have 100 eyes emoji at and don't think I would clear him as a partner just because she was scumreading him and buddying people who were voting for him.

pedit FF, why are you completely ignoring Trinity's post?

pedit Quick cut it out. I am reporting your posts.
Lynching Trinity would be a mislynch in my opinion.
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Post Post #1607 (isolation #346) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:38 am

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im looking for where iceman told you to fuck yourself
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Post Post #1609 (isolation #347) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:47 am

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problem is i feel like that hyperbole served no purpose other than to be emotionally manipulative
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Post Post #1611 (isolation #348) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:58 am

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I'm sorry if you are actually town and I'm being harsh.

But being hyperbolic, expressing tilt to an extreme, and saying things like "Jesus fuck I hate this site" are all shit I would do as scum. Yeah town gets tilted at times, but right now I find it more likely that you are faking it and trying do some AtE.
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Post Post #1613 (isolation #349) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:32 am

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lets just mass claim at this point
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Post Post #1619 (isolation #350) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:32 pm

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Don't leave, I want to talk about this stuff post game
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #351) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:28 pm

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Honestly, I don't know what to do anymore.

If nancy is indeed town, then I guess I'm a major asshole, being the cause of making her cry and leave this site after this game because of my play. I just don't know if I can handle that. But if I let that influence my decision to play this game, I feel like then I'm no longer adequately playing to my wincon.

This situation with nancy has already compromised my ability to play this game to the best of my ability in a way. I have thoughts I want to put down, things I want to say, but I'm worried that in the potential situation that nancy is town, I'm probably just going to make her feel worse and just be a bigger ass.

So yeah I just made a post announcing I'm going to be useless. Hope the rest of town can sort this out. There should be 4 fully capable town players still.
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Post Post #1635 (isolation #352) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:28 pm

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Honestly now that I'm thinking about it, if you were an extremely dominant, vocal, and good player(maybe even an IC), an early vt claim might be a really good play as scum to make it seem obvious why you weren't the target for the nightkill.

But I'm not good so you know I'm town ;)
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Post Post #1637 (isolation #353) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:33 pm

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We can discuss and go in-depth on my convoluted thought process post-game.
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #354) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:24 pm

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*angry grumble grumble post tomorrow*
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Post Post #1654 (isolation #355) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:15 am

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I’m not going to make a grumble rant post.

If nancy is town, she probably won’t read any of my apology posts post-game so I might as well make this post now if she is town.

Sorry nancy, sorry that I’ve been getting under your skin, I’m sorry.
I’m sorry that I’ve been pushing your buttons and just pissing you off in general to the point where it bleeds into real life. But honestly, real life takes precedent over this game. If you truly feel the way you feel, I recommend you replace out of this game. You have no obligation to play this game if this game is taking such an emotional toll on you. If you are on the verge of tears from actions that happen in this game because I misplayed, then its not worth it man. Its not worth getting so emotional over a game with people you probably will never talk to again.

Nancy, I’m just an internet stranger. I’m just some random kid over the internet when in 10 years, you won’t talk to, nor would you remember. If I’m really hurting you that much emotionally to the point where your girlfriend begs you to stop playing, then just stop playing man. I don’t know much about relationships (I’m a teenager who plays mafia in his spare time lol), but I sure as hell know that its not worth harming your relationship with people you love because of some random idiots who are playing a game. I realize you’ve invested dozens of hours into solving and playing this game, but remember this is just a game. It’s a game where we want to have fun, but you are obviously not enjoying yourself if you are getting depressed because of it. You don’t have an obligation to this game if this game is hurting you so much irl. Nancy, you are a grown ass woman with responsibilities, you have a family you need to show affection to. Me? Biggest responsibility I have is writing essays for college. I don’t matter to you in the grand scheme of things, but your girlfriend does. She loves you and you love her, why even hurt that relationship because of some kid on the internet?

Also, please don’t leave this site because of people like me. I’m a minority in this website. Yes, we are a vocal minority on this site, but we are a minority. Not everyone is an asshole like me, there are plenty more genuinely good people on this site who help make this site a beautiful website, people like you.
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Post Post #1655 (isolation #356) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:28 am

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on a side note im thinking about a formerfish lynch, what about everyone else?
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #357) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:53 am

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VOTE: ff

doesn't look like we have enough biters on the nancy lynch so ill sit here for a day and see where it goes
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Post Post #1667 (isolation #358) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:48 pm

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sky sorry u rolled scum
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Post Post #1674 (isolation #359) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:45 pm

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hey.

if you townread formerfish

why?
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Post Post #1677 (isolation #360) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:52 pm

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nancy

remind me why eragon is scum again please k thx
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Post Post #1679 (isolation #361) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:57 pm

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me wait for u to have laptop back to write new post because me not convinced anymore

me thinks that formerfish no put in good effort into solve game

me thinks formerfish is scum
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #362) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:00 pm

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me think today especially formerfish no care about what happen

me think formerfish want town to be poo poo

me think formerfish is ok with popular idea

if me right about formerfish be bad then me think eragon is town
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Post Post #1684 (isolation #363) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:05 pm

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me think if u think ff is bad boy then me think its better to make poo poo skull face be at l1

me already give and nudge skull face to make good day 2 post but day 2 post still disapoopoo

me is worried because skull man know how to make wagon on him disappear even if he is poo poo team and me think no pressure on skull man now means no pressure on skull man forever

but me wait for tomorrow
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Post Post #1686 (isolation #364) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:11 pm

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me think lady who like to look at star need to teach me why fish skull man is not poo poo team
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Post Post #1691 (isolation #365) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:17 pm

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me think formerfish no change meta for realsies

me think formerfish no desire to solve game
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #366) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:27 pm

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me ask nancy

what is scummy ?
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Post Post #1699 (isolation #367) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:32 pm

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me think its possible for any alignment to make any post tho

me confused

me need example
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #368) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:57 pm

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In post 1707, Eragon wrote:all caught up AMA.

i will say this,

my read on Oka has changed drastically.
i now think he is town
me happy that u like me

but me confused why you like me now

me need more words
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #369) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:07 pm

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mr quick

me confused why you no talk more when me and iceman no likey nancy? or you likey nancy dead?
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #370) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:11 pm

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no not what i mean mr quick

when me and ice go at ms nancy

why u no talk more and be like no no no dont do dat
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Post Post #1723 (isolation #371) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:17 pm

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In post 1712, Quick wrote:So if you are wondering why I am "not doing anything" it's because I feel pretty good about the way things are going rn. I feel good about a FF vs Eragon flip.
so u no do thing now because u content

but u no do thing before because too hard

when u do thing
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #372) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:21 pm

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whats mc


bye mr eragon
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #373) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:24 pm

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In post 1731, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1677, OkaPoka wrote:nancy

remind me why eragon is scum again please k thx
What in the actual fuck is this post? You cased him yourself right as the day began.
so? why is that relevant?
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #374) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:26 pm

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I have my suspicions about nancy so I want to see if her case on Eragon is bullshit or not.
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Post Post #1738 (isolation #375) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:35 pm

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Alright Formerfish, I need to know what you are aiming to accomplish this game.

You can evidently see that I'm trying to figure out who is scum and I'm trying to clear out my uncertainties by asking them questions and developing my reads on them to see if I can actually discern anything.

I'm going to keep being a naggy asshole who keeps annoying the fuck out of you because either your scum or your town and you aren't playing to what you can be. You keep saying you have questions about reads and such and you need to narrow your pool, so why don't you go out and get some questions answered and do something about it? Why are you letting me and nancy dominate the discussion this game? You know that I'm not a good player at scumhunting, yet you seem content with me running around with my head cut off, accusing others and dancing with others. What's your game plan here man?

Its not bullshit, you should be perfectly aware that you aren't being your normal vocal self this game. Whether that is a conscious decision or not, whatever, but its getting irritating because I feel like you aren't putting in much effort to get others to crack.

Have I solved the game? No, but I'm trying to do so.

What's my path to victory? Finding scum.
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Post Post #1739 (isolation #376) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:37 pm

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In post 1737, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1691, OkaPoka wrote:desire to solve game
This is bullshit spewing from your mouth right now.

Have you solved the game? What is your path to victory here?
And I don't see how this question aims to do anything other than to be snarky.

You are snarky but your aim isn't to be snarky.
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #377) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:51 pm

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I want you to put in the effort of having the game solved. I don't understand why you are playing so differently than our previous game together.

Your scumread on quick wasn't going anywhere day 1 because we didn't have time to flashwagon quick. But day 2 is a fresh day and you don't seem to care at all to convince anyone else that quick may be scum. Why? What happened to the steamroll strategy? What happened to calling others out on their bullshit and keeping the pressure on? What happened to you Formerfish?
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #378) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:56 pm

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In post 1741, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1738, OkaPoka wrote:Alright Formerfish, I need to know what you are aiming to accomplish this game.
You can evidently see that I'm trying to figure out who is scum and I'm trying to clear out my uncertainties by asking them questions and developing my reads on them to see if I can actually discern anything.
I'm going to keep being a naggy asshole who keeps annoying the fuck out of you because either your scum or your town and you aren't playing to what you can be. You keep saying you have questions about reads and such and you need to narrow your pool, so why don't you go out and get some questions answered and do something about it? Why are you letting me and nancy dominate the discussion this game? You know that I'm not a good player at scumhunting, yet you seem content with me running around with my head cut off, accusing others and dancing with others. What's your game plan here man?

Its not bullshit, you should be perfectly aware that you aren't being your normal vocal self this game. Whether that is a conscious decision or not, whatever, but its getting irritating because I feel like you aren't putting in much effort to get others to crack.

Have I solved the game? No, but I'm trying to do so.

What's my path to victory? Finding scum.
What am i trying to accomplish? Lynching scum.
You keep saying that I am not trying to solve the game. I have it down to a more finite level than you do so the implication that I need to get my shit together and do something to help the town is laughable. Its not like you are sitting on two solid scum reads and you are just waiting for us to catch up to your flashy ass.
Am I allowing you to run around with your head cut off? I dont know, is that something that is dependent on me? Like nancy has already told you to calm the fuck down, do you need me to say it to you as well? Maybe i just dont give a shit about your reads right now but i can see where they would come from town. I know your judgement is clouded because you cant read me correctly, how much faith am I going to put into the rest of your reads?
Call it what you will, but youre just mad at me for not playing to my potential when you arent even giving much of a fuck about the things I do have to say. You were the one who told me my scum read on quick wasnt going to go anywhere on day 1.
No one seems to really care to follow me now
. So I guess I could start yelling at all of you about who I think is scum, or just wait until you put me at l-1 and get a claim out of me.

If you havent solved the game in its entirety than get off my dick about my lack of game solving. You want to follow me onto quick then lets go. You want to stay on me then we only waste time.
And you are going to sit here and be happy that nobody is listening to you? Are you really content with that? You are just going to accept the idea that the rest of town might run off with a lynch on someone other than your top scumread?
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Post Post #1747 (isolation #379) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:03 pm

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What? Yeah you didn't push as hard but you still pushed fucking hard. In fact you got pissed off that people were halting your process down and you were extremely vocal in your thought process.


Also I don't think this game is nearly close enough to be considered toxic. And I don't think you believe that either, you told me off when I told you to chill. And this game you've been exponentially more polite than the last game I was with you.
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #380) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:04 pm

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actually looking back you pushed milk ridiculously hard and you didn't even pump the brakes. alonzo flipping town did nothing to change your beliefs on milk.
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Post Post #1750 (isolation #381) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:07 pm

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Literally only nancy is saying that.

Not even quick believes that.
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #382) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:08 pm

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WHY ARE YOU PLAYING LIKE THIS FISH.

WHY
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #383) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:12 pm

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Lets talk mr fish

Other than Quick, who are you scumreading and why? Give me some concrete reasons please.
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Post Post #1758 (isolation #384) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:14 pm

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I'll wait.
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #385) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:15 pm

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Hopefully by tomorrow we can get some more voices in this game with some more opinions and solid cases written up otherwise im going to flip a coin and tunnel someone to death.
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Post Post #1762 (isolation #386) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:19 pm

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Can you and quick just do a 1v1 based on substantial evidence? tyvm

im not going to follow you onto quick because im not convinced quick is scum and im not convinced you are town. fill one of those requirements and ill gladly oblige.
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #387) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:13 am

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I need all of your opinions on Formerfish please and thank you.

Also cases on Eragon now please and thank you.

Also case on Quick please and thank you.

Please and thank you.
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Post Post #1794 (isolation #388) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:50 am

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Eragon, your case on quick seems to be a lot of feeling posts and slight pings if I'm not mistaken.
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Post Post #1797 (isolation #389) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:21 am

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nancy i need me some eragon case
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #390) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:34 am

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yes but i want to see the big proper post with evidence when she gets laptop so i can see because im not seeing the informed PoV thingy
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Post Post #1804 (isolation #391) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:27 pm

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so im guessing FF isn't a possibility today?
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Post Post #1808 (isolation #392) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:36 pm

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why are you trying to make your lynch inevitable?
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #393) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:38 pm

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your voting quick but you admit that your scumread on him is decaying so its unlikely you will push him

the other competing wagon to your own is formerfish, which you say you probably won't vote

are you planning on starting a viable alternative to yourself for the lynch or are you going to defend yourself and hope the rest of town finds someone else to lynch?
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #394) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:42 pm

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i mean with the deadline approaching, you are going to need to make a miracle case or you are going to get the hammer
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Post Post #1818 (isolation #395) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:13 pm

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In post 1816, IcemanCh wrote:And POE does apply. I see Oka as town. I see Quick as maybe town. I see sky as maybe town. That leaves Eragon Nancy and FF. FF and Nancy are the weakest scum read by a long shot. So that leaves Eragon. Maybe it better put that Eragon is my weakest read out of everyone so he is the one I'm voting for.
why sky good guy?
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Post Post #1820 (isolation #396) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:17 pm

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y sky town
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #397) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:19 pm

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it was mainly directed at iceman
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Post Post #1828 (isolation #398) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:33 pm

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Yo mr iceman i totally agree with how you scumread, thats how i scumread too

but i feel like skygazer is doing that more than eragon and arguably formerfish too

read skygazer for me and see if you come to same conclusion
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Post Post #1831 (isolation #399) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:38 pm

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Meh, no l1 on eragon until I hear a good case on Eragon (from nancy hopefully)
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