A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[THE MEME MEN]

Jingle what's your read on Nero? I found your lack of suspicion on him on start of d6, very puzzling.

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

I'm hoping it's just one scum left so we can end this game already

Yes but maybe not prematurely speed this game into a mislynch though. D6 just began yesterday.

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Ok. I think it's between GE/Aris/Shoshin/maybe LA, at the moment.

Need to chat with RH.

-LH.

[THE MEME MEN]

@Jingle or anyone - anyone other than Jingle (targeted n2) targeted by the Loud Babysitter? I don't remember anymore.

Also, what's the deal with your other ability of tracking? It didn't work for 5 nights at all?

Who did you send pizza to for your 5 nights again? Creat on n5 I think? Who else?

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Loud Babysitter - Possibly doesn't exist, only Jingle and NR have mentioned being targeted by it.
Vig or possibly SK that smites people for inactivity - confirmed to exist. May possibly be connected to Shoshin's role but that's just me tinfoiling.

I inspected your meta and saw your town play in Anonymous Ghost's game. The blatant fact that you're vastly different here, is extremely alarming.

Also, vig/sk smiting people for inactivity? That makes no sense as wheme wasn't even that inactive yesterday ??
I do agree that Loud Baby probably doesn't exist though...unfortunately I don't know how that would be AI for jingle here...


-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

I'd bodyguard one of Meme/Profii.

I thought Profii didn't need protection? And Meme is significantly less towny than you. I'm on you, NSG, or Creature.

Wait, so are we null or sr to you ?

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

@Jingle or anyone - anyone other than Jingle (targeted n2) targeted by the Loud Babysitter? I don't remember anymore.

Also, what's the deal with your other ability of tracking? It didn't work for 5 nights at all?

Who did you send pizza to for your 5 nights again? Creat on n5 I think? Who else?

-LH

N1 no one, prior to my replace in.
N2 Mastina, claimed in thread.
N3 JJh, roleblocked.
N4 JJH again, JJ claimed in thread.
Last night unclaimed, waiting for pizza recipient to claim/not claim. Additionally, waiting for people to claim their actions taken at you last night.

The pizza is a form of tracking. It only gets received if the target didn't visit anyone at night (They have to be there to open the door). Therefore, if someone gets pizza they cannot have performed the scumkill or the roleblock.

As far as I know, only NR has claimed to be targeted by the babysitter other than me, and she's untrustworthy.

Hm...


-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Ari, you've been in this game since OCTOBER and in that entire time you have never bothered to UNDERSTAND HOW YOUR ROLE WORKS?




-RH

[THE MEME MEN]

And like, didn't you JUST MOD A GAME with a NORMAL, NON WEAK, town hider?????

-RH

[THE MEME MEN]

Wasn't {expletive} NERO CAIN the normal hider in Children of Hurin which you were modding

like why would you think every hider is a weak hider?!?!?

-RH

[THE MEME MEN]

Like I don't even know what to do with this, wouldn't scum have actually put some thought into their fakeclaim

but I don't even

I don't

what

Ari you're making my brain hurt

UNVOTE: while I process this

-RH

[THE MEME MEN]

Well the thing is this was the first time I’d played the role and I’d recently seen Gustavo use it this way in mini 2023 when the game was in the earlier days so using it in that way was on my mind.

There's something I can't talk about here but I want to say I have high confidence Gamma would play babysitter like this as town. That doesn't mean he's confirmed town, that just means I find his claim congruent with his night action choices.

I also noticed him saying he had a killing action earlier and thought it was something that surprised me regardless of alignment since he doesn't usually fakeclaim actions except under real pressure iirc, so him claiming a killing action back on page 1 of his iso seems like he was actually playing to get nightkilled

That being said, his rationale (I saw Gustavo do this) is a bit funny (although not implausible) if only because in the game Gamma is referencing, Gustavo, as babysitter, was babysitting town when Gamma (as scum) tried to kill him lol

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Porkens can't be the RBer if the idea is that Porkens targeted Vecna last night since {last night's target was not Vecna}

unless I'm misunderstanding something

still don't like post restrictions btw

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Fuck you, I suggested that role.

I actually think it's pretty appropriate for a large theme

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Do we want a proper fullclaim from Lady Angel?

I kinda do tbh

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

"Dreaming God, Dreamer of Dreams" with "Dreaming God" as the role name. I'm a 1-shot Dreaming God who could only act night 1.

or did she say what the night 1 action was yet?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

I'm kinda assuming 6 scum at this point tbh. There's a shitton of town power in this setup.

not sure how "town has a lot of power so scum might have more people" is a slip tbh

although I don't know how we can evaluate that without one more scum flip to see what their overall power level looks like, but varsoon's power was pretty strong imo

I do get the impression group scum maybe had something that involved long dayphases which maybe is why mastina spent every game day stalling so much?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

I can see why people would think her ability summoned Shoshin in that case

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

If Nero is killing then it's really unlikely NSG is serial killer in which case she only claims if she thinks it will help us determine today's lynch

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

This is not a reads list; this is just sorting which people have *some part of their mechanics* confirmed, which is not the same thing

{Not Group Scum
Adelbert Steiner -- not group-scum via mastina
NSG -- not group-scum via meme men} -- this is like a separate category

---

Claims with high levels of confirmed reality
Nero Cain - Lurker vig that also shot scum

Claims with some level of confirmed reality
Creature -- "A" cop -- although reminding me who all was targeted when would be nice
jjh927 -- vote freezing thing (not that this is a protown ability at all tho)

Claims with indirect/weak confirmation
Gamma Emerald -- Loud part confirmed by Jingle (and I think some other people)
Ari -- Jingle claims to have voyeur'd him hiding on me; seemed to understand no part of role despite having modded said role in the past... ok

Claims with no level of confirmation
Shoshin -- no confirmation on any part of role
Lady Angel -- no confirmation on any part of role

???
Porkens -- ???

Vecna, Jingle -- would help to remind me all indirect and direct confirmations; think jingle had something with firebringer, vecna claimed to have jk'd some people and had something with messages

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

who all has been loud jk'd again?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Profii, Deathproof ish Nighttalker.
jjh927, Votefreezing Deathproof

oh this is what people were talking about when it had seemed like scum had a lot of stuff that someone on town also had so Profii and JJH both being deathproof kinda at a glance looks outside that pattern huh

not that a "role pattern" in this nonsense is enough to change my read, more a 'huh how about that'

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

didn't everyone request their flavor in this game? did you request lurkersbane?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

page 300 pagetop

[THE MEME MEN]

You would die if the babysitter that you shot was targeting you, otherwise you would be killing babysitter + babysitter target (whoever that was)

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

How does jingle flip make jj locktown? -rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Caught up to pg 301.
---------

Aris how did you know you were blocked n4? Doesn’t hider trump rb in night action priority?
I find GE's claim plausible because I could see how norman would match a babysitter role, from pokemon.

And we basically have what, 3 investigatives if GE & Jingle are town too (along with Meme Men)?
And there are 2 protectives – 1 in shos, 1 in GE? As jjh mentioned, 1 of them is probably fake claiming.
How does this make any sense?

Another question – can GE’s targets confirm his actions?

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

@mod: Is hider a miscellaneous, blocking, or commuting role by your definition?

a.
I'm not RC but I want to offer my insight on this - if the hider is simply hider (normal hider), then it's just going to hide behind the target.

If the target gets targeted, they both die.
If hider is targeted, just the hider dies.


b.
From what I understood from my skim catchup, aris is a normal hider? Yet he hid behind us , and that's not optimal play because what if we were nked, then he would've died too. So, that's fishy on aris.
I also find it suspect that jingle sent pizza to aris on n5 and aris said he never got it. One of them is scum.

And what do you mean by blocking property??....


-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Just, if they're both town then they're literally invincible if they target each other?

I dont think that's how loud baby & bodyguard roles, work...

[THE MEME MEN]

Sheepsaysmeep replaces Porkens effective whenever I can get him his role PM

see you next week sheep

I am legitimately feeling terrible for the quality of my moderation.

It's been awful. I chose a bad time to mod this.

I am sorry.

I appreciate the apology.

@jjh but... how is it invincible? I don't follow.

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

but doesn't Jingle have a went nowhere on LA the night Ari is claiming to be blocked? And Pork targeted Vecna tonight when I think Meme is claiming to be blocked so mechanically neither of these seems like the rber?

Yeah I don't think aris or pork are the rber...

Also, jingle said he sent pizza to jjh on n3 but was rbed, on n4 again to jjh, on n5 - ari said he got no pizza. he also stated the below:
On N4 I received a track of LA going nowhere.
Last night (n5) I received a voyeur of Meme Men having been roleblocked and targeted by a miscellaneous action.

So he said jjh AND LA on n4??


-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

It's a lot to take in. Thanks for elaborating though.

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

im a flipless villager who sends messages to people who visit me

Hold on, you replaced porkens? If not, who.

@nero what is your flavor.

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Can we stop with this "the role makes sense with the flavor" that's not AI.

It helped in catching nico, so I'll use as many signs as I can.

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Nico's claim had so many issues with it that you never cared about so sit down

This is what they call shitposting.

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Anyway, going to compile vc for today.
-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

vecna why did you go from voting ari to voting sheep?

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Votecount 6.01

Aris – nero, nsg
Sheep – vecna, LA
Jingle - jingle
Nsg - jjh

Not voting: ?

With 13 alive, we need 8 to lynch

Day 6 ends on Dec 24


-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

If there was no way to trigger a tornado, then Sky was actually just a flavored VT, which would make her the other non-visiting role

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

That is like, NOT how hider works at all
And he is NOT normal hider unless the term weak is written out in his role as Normal hider is not weak without the modifier

I know you were dead by the point he claimed, but you were ALSO just in a game with a normal hider (Nero Cain in Children of Hurin)

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

I'm saying the claim makes no sense and that if I were loud fakeclaiming this would make zero sense. It would mean noactioning in order to fake being blocked which, Iunno if you're familiar with my play, but I would literally never do!

not even if mastina told you it was a good idea?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

1v1 me.

I don't think I've ever seen Ari get this type of way. I also think it's highly out of his scum range to be going 1v1 with people....so I dont think it's SvS in terms of Ari & Jingle.

Also @GE thanks , I misunderstood the other part of the Hider workings.

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Profi, thoughts so far?

Creat, did you get someone who visited you last night?

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

Hi Aris.

Other than jingle, who is scum?

-LH

[THE MEME MEN]

You got an immediate response from RC about something in this game...? -RH

[THE MEME MEN]

I am very slightly worried that we've reached a point where Creature only has 2x my post count and hasn't solved the game for me yet, but he's still probably town I guess

not really sure what to do with all these 1v1s Jingle accepting he's the best lynch for today was kinda ??? for me and I kinda don't think I've scumread Vecna at any point so... idk hoping Left Head as a better idea of what to do here

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

idk what do you think we do here Creature? who is today's lynch?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

uhh

ari says he visited me
jingle says he didn't get a "hider" action from voyeur
so jingle thinks this makes ari scum

jingle got a voyeur thing
but vecna says he roleblocked fire I think or something
so jingle should be also in a 1v1 with vecna

but uhh

yeah idk I think that's it

I'm probably missing several important things, idk feel like I'm off my game lately

I can't remember why I didn't want to lynch Gamma anymore either

I'm pretty sure there was a reason but I've lost it

we're not lynching profii, nero, or nsg

but who do we lynch today?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

jingle is a pizza tracker who was in a hood with firebringer who got to do tracker watcher and voyeur shit... I think

I think one inconvenience is most the people who got the pizza were scum, because people only get it if they do nothing at night (nico and mastina both got pizza iirc)

I'm sure we can find it in the million posts of his iso one sec

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Alright:

Spoiler: Roles and Role information, as dependent on Jingle

Unless the scumteam is Jingle/Aristophanes/MemeMen there is a Post Restricting Roleblocker.
If Jingle is town:

A babysitter exists. Occams razor suggests that Gamma is thus either scum with Jingle or town.
Jingle's large post about roles and claimed interactions becomes trustworthy.

Spoiler: Jingle and Vecna

Vecna claims to have targeted Firebringer N4. Jingle KNOWS that Firebringer successfully acted on N4.

In order for both Jingle and Vecna to be town, Vecna's target has to have been changed somehow, either through a roleblock or a redirection.

Spoiler: Jingle and Aristophanes

Jingle targeted Meme Men with Firebringer's voyeur N5, recieving the result of Roleblock and Miscellaneous. Radiant Cowbells confirmed that a normal hider would reveal as a hiding action (Specifically to Jingle). Radiant Cowbells refused to confirm what a Post Restricting Roleblocker would show as, but Roleblocking and Miscellaneous is more than reasonable. Jingle implied he was a watcher to bait accurate targeting information. Aristophanes claims to have hidden behind MemeMen.

Additionally, Jingle targeted Aristophanes for pizza. If Aristophanes had been blocked, he would have gone no where and would have received said pizza. He claims to have not received any pizza, meaning his action did in fact succeed.

In order for both Jingle and Aristophanes to be town, Aristophanes has to have been redirected to target someone else. He specifically cannot have been roleblocked last night.

Spoiler: Aristophanes, Independent of Jingle

Aristophanes claims to have been roleblocked while attempting to hide on N4. Hider comes before Roleblocker in the NAR order, and by their nature the two roles would need to interact.

In order for Aristophanes to be town, the roleblocker needs to be motivated in addition to being loud OR actions need to be resolved contrary to NAR.

Spoiler: Night Actions, Independent of Jingle

There is a greater than normal chance of a scum redirector. As such, neither Gamma or Nero should use their night action until there is evidence to the contrary. Both roles when outed turn a scum redirector into a scum vigilante.

Spoiler: Jingle, Pizza Vendor (Tracker-lite)

No one N1
Mastina N2
JJH N3 Roleblocked
JJH N4
Ari N5, not received.

there were these summary posts

the spoiler tags makes it look longer than it really is, it's readable
-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

maid cafe was firebringer, innocent children is confirmed not group scum, I'm rylai and rina

if you called the entire scum team in 2831 then it's LA and jjh kek

what are your reads of them now?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

porkens slot got a message from vecna

so if porkens had a roleblock that resolved before vecna, then that would explain why jingle/vecna is not actually a 1v1

but the problem is THE MEME MEN {were apathetic last night}

still hate post restrictions btw, unrelated point to the above

so it seems that porkens slot cannot have roleblocked both vecna and {someone else who was apathetic last night}

so that doesn't really work

but I kinda don't get why jingle is acting like "I'm the best lynch" when I think vecna also has 2 1v1s (1 with jingle, 1 with porkens slot?)

idk I haven't seen either as strong scum reads tho, I kinda wish I could just ignore this mechanical garbage but maybe that's a bad idea

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

I think jjh claimed he was nightkilled by scum and no one really had an alternative explanation for the missing nightkill that night

but I think maybe he retracted that?

I kinda have lost track of what all he has said and retracted

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Don't you mean Aristophanes?

no, THE MEME MEN {were apathetic last night}

Aristophanes was roleblocked 2 nights ago

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

or claims he was, anyway

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Strange, I could swear we had a better mechanical reason to townread jjh

it's entirely possible I've forgotten what it was if there was

I guess wifomy, but would scum have a vote freezer, a disloyal gladiator, and a "make votes anonymous" role

sounds like a weird fucking scum team but this is a bastard game so meh

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

but his vote freezing would leave him open to be the killing scum since he wouldn't have another night action

I kinda don't think jjh has a good chance of being scum roleblocker here, I think vote freezer + roleblocker would be too much

so if jjh is scum he's the scum that made the kill ln imo

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Lady Angel's role is now completely compatible with my result on her, so she's town

wait but why this

it's just flavor consistency

like, all the scum claimed their real flavor right?

so isn't your investigative basically flat NAI?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

is jjh the killing scum then?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

ok I remembered why I was tling jjh now

so I guess I ask... this is sometimes w/w?:

Spoiler:

Find a single instance of me lying about my role as scum.

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

Ayyyyyyyyyyy

Thanks IC, that was super helpful

cause my impression was it's pretty rarely this is w/w

but it is kinda weird how like the first 50 posts of his iso are all basically exclusively focused on NR and mastina

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Isn't that literally the point of spoiler tags? To keep things readable?

I wasn't trying to shittalk you btw, I was saying that usually if a post has like 4+ spoilers I'm kinda expecting it to be reeeeeally long

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

shoshin is not the rber either imo

I wanna say Jingle... can't be the rber? or... uhh... hmm

main potentials for scum rber are:

Porkens slot
Lady Angel
maaaaybe Ari?
maaaaaaaaaaybe... not?... Vecna?

is vecna ruled out of being the rber mechanically cause I feel like I keep forgetting some of the miscellaneous shit in this game

I guess you think LA cannot be

so if it's not LA then it's probe Porkens slot then right? like isn't that the easiest explanation?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

I have a theory about Nero's missing kills but I don't want to discuss it since I don't think he's today's lynch

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

I think the thing with porkens is that he seemed way diff than in children of hurin but I haven't actually read him at all outside that game

I never really liked randomidget slot even tho some people thought he was townie for reasons I didn't get

Ari's claim was like really bad

>Ari claimed rb'ed 2 nights ago, but it's hard to understand why scum would rb him that night
>Ari claims he would never not rb as scum, but I haven't meta'd him to evaluate this claim
>Ari seems like a nice guy, maybe he'd be happier leaving this mess of a game?

I think claiming he was the subject of a rb is the main point in his favor but I also kinda don't believe it?

maybe VOTE: Ari -Shiro

gonna taste this one out


can also do porkens slot

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

like really when the fuck does a hider hide behind a claimed investigative?

like what?

nothing about ari's claim makes any sense tbh

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

oh right, he said he thought he was weak hider but then he said he misread his role pm...



-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Regardless, its true so *shrugs* I don't knkw what else to say

walk us through your feelings on porkens slot?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Nero what do you think between Ari and Porkens/Sheep?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

nsg you think it's ari+jjh? -rh

[THE MEME MEN]

no I'm just wondering who you think the killing scum is

I'm assuming you think ari is the rber?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

UNVOTE:

Need LH to weigh in here

-RH

[THE MEME MEN]

Jingle is a he -rh

[THE MEME MEN]

had a weird thought

if porkens and vecna are both reflective/reactive...

then...

vecna jails porkens, activating reactive messaging, vecna is targeted (because reactive abilities can't be jailkept maybe?), which in turn prompts vecna's reactive message

did vecna get porkens message tho? cause that theory doesn't work if vecna didn't get whatever porkens was supposed to send out

but if porkens ability is like a pgo, then it would trigger before the roleblock, which would cause vecna's ability to trigger before the roleblock as well

so if vecna got the message we should... theoretically... be able to ask mod if that's how those actions would resolve through his interpretation of NAR

probably wrong though but it was a thought -rh

[THE MEME MEN]

who sends messages to people who visit me

That is only supposed to be known to people visiting me

@mod
A) if there was a role "who sends messages to people who visit me" would this ability resolve if they were jailkept?
B) if Vecna also had an ability that sent messages to people who visit him, would this ability resolve in the event that he targeted someone with the ability in A?

Did sheep ever say what message he was sending out last night? i.e. was his message "you are poisoned?" if so then both abilities resolved and it's not actually a 1v1, it's an unexpected resolution to NAR due to reflective ability interactions.

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

but shouldn't sheep have gotten vecna's "loud" message then?

SHEEP
a) what was your message last night
b) did you get any messages OTHER than see you in hell?

idk maybe I am in a night action spiral here

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

a) what was your message last night

that is what is the message you were supposed to send out if someone visited you?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Sheep and Vecna, would you say your messaging abilities are "passive"?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Anyone know Porkens well enough to know if he would have a reflective message saying "you were poisoned" as a non-poisoning town? LOL

I wanna say regardless of porkens if this is how I think it is then there's almost no way either porkens slot or vecna were either the roleblocking scum or the killing scum last night

now if vecna dies porkens slot could still be third party bullshit

but I'm really happy not lynching either one rn

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Last night unclaimed, waiting for pizza recipient to claim/not claim.

so you're still waiting for this then...?

---

Like, Ari clearly misunderstood something in his claim

the question is whether Ari misunderstood his mod/team-provided fakeclaim, or misunderstood his actual role PM

and, while I have not played with Ari before... I wanna say I give him the benefit of the doubt that it's more plausible he misunderstood his provided-fakeclaim? Like I'm sure mastina wrote something up for the slot before she was lynched

the main problem here is jingle being in a 1v1 with Vecna when Vecna seems... on the realer side of things... while also being in a 1v1 with Ari

there's also the problem that iirc no one obviously town has gotten pizza iirc? like jjh is the only pizza recipient and he has a decent chance of being the killing scum, so hmm.

there are compelling reasons to consider both ari and jingle here ngl

everytime ari does his AtE I think man maybe he's town

and jingle bothers me every now and then

but man the claim is so bad 0.o

sorry stream of consciousness here

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

Ah yeah, of the scenarios we're dealing with "Ari didn't do anything last night" is not one of them

I think Vecna has a decent point that you suggesting your own lynch as an informative lynch and then backing off that is a big scummy

but I also find your posts breaking down actions really helpful even if it's technically IIoA.

I wanna say maybe you don't precipitate two separate 1v1s as scum... but does Ari forget his fakeclaim as scum?

idk, weird game

I will feel a bit bad if Ari is a mislynch but

idk Ari is there a game you can point to where you fail to understand your role or forget how your role works?

-RH

[THE MEME MEN]

VOTE: mastina

Kurio and I are now confirmed town

No more discussion let’s go into night

kurio is confirmed town now because of the loyal modifier

we have to lynch mastina now

and mastina as town said im conf time so Im conf town

thats it

Martina said I’m town so

hmm is this ever s/s

ginngie sure is an interesting short iso considering her total fixation on mastina

I think I'm back here again

VOTE: Ari -shiro

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

what even is the point of this game
does it actually mean anything
all it will lead to is despair
there is no joy to be found in this game
i genuinely cant even be bothered to use my role

WAIT WTF

RANDOM CLAIMED ROLEBLOCKED TOOO?!!!!!

WHY DID I NOT REMEMBER THIS?

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

why the fuck would scum roleblock ari's slot twice?!?!

why would they fake two roleblocks on the same target?

I don't understand anything in this game

UNVOTE:

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

what even is the point of this game
does it actually mean anything
all it will lead to is despair
there is no joy to be found in this game
i genuinely cant even be bothered to use my role

Oh right this is a thing still!

I didn't do anything last night because what's the point?

Also I assume mastina's gladiate would succeed on a 3P as they are not "mafia aligned." Just a hunch tho.

what the fuck

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

That's fine with me. I'm a hider. Flavour is some LOL person.

Hid behind ??? N1, nobody N2 (I forgot to), Kuroi N3, Creature N4 (was blocked), and Meme N5.

NIGHT TWO YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED AND YOU FUCKING SAY YOU FORGOT TO HERE? YOU CAN SAY YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED AT THIS POINT FFS

DAMN IT ARI WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DO THIS THING TO ME

So let me get this straight, Ari slot was roleblocked n2 AND n4?!

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

meme, what do you think of my theory that there's a scum protective thus one of Vecna, Ari, JJH, Gamma, shoshin? are scum?

I agree there's scum in {Ari, Gamma, Shoshin}.

I don't think it's Vecna at this point

-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

I mean the thought occurs

Nihilism is odd-night only maybe?

in which case, Ari's team forgot that random claimed roleblocked?

Like would RC actually let Ari think that Random FORGOT to send a night action a night he received a rb?

HOW. How does ARI GET CONFUSED ABOUT SO MUCH OF HIS ROLE?

gdi

VOTE: Ari -Shiro

-RH

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Why not Vecna and JJH?

actually I was gonna say I don't think JJH is scum protective, I think he's killing scum with day actions (i.e. no night action so that he can do the kill on certain nights if necessary). So he can be scum but not scum protective imo

-rh

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Yes, we both agree on ari and I intend to vote.
I think he's at L-1? So, I intend to vote by Friday at latest ... just in case people still have more to discuss.
@nero I personally think vecna and GE are probably town but the others probably aren't in jjh/shoshin/ari.

What is mahjing.


-Sora/LH

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A Story Revisited

Votecount 6.320:

Aristophanes (6): Northsidegal, Gamma Emerald, Jingle, Shiro, jjh927, Lady Angel
Jingle (2): Aristophanes, Vecna
jjh927 (1): Nero Cain
Sheepsaysmeep (0):
Northsidegal (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Nero Cain (0):
The Meme Men (0):
Lady Angel: (0):
Creature (0):
Vecna (0):
Profii (0):
Shoshin (0):

Not Voting: Adelbert Steiner, Shoshin, Creature, Sora, Sheepsaysmeep

With 13 alive it's 8 to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2018-12-23 19:00:00). - its christmas, going to set deadline before then resume after.

prods

ok I'll go with it

VOTE: Jingle

tell me if Jingle flips scum where does that send us mechanically next? is there an obvious suspect coming up next>?

I unvoted and revoted but Ari is currently at L-2 with Profii changing to Jingle

-RH

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I will let jingle answer that as I have messed up radically on the babysitter and hider workings earlier, lol.

-LH

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Nero are you leashed tonight? Theoretically it doesn't matter with the nihilist still alive right and I'm not insisting on it tbh

but if there was some plan with the babysitter I guess that should either be confirmed or denied or something maybe in the case Ari flips rber

maybe if Ari flips {not rber} you just shoot whoever

and if Ari flips rber you shoot Gamma and Gamma does a babysit on top fos?

-rh

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I was about to add a third leash on top of nero & GE, but shoshin strikes me as a female Wisdom. So I don't think she will listen to leash ideas (if she's town).



-LH

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Hm....maybe only 1 of those 3 should act tonight then..... since that would minimize town deaths - If there is 1 remaining scum and 1 sk left .

Shos has been acting incredibly suspect, and if I were Vig, well, I would just leave it at that.

-LH

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oh shit, what if this was if this is a jingle+Vecna and maybe Shoshin?

I dont understand why vecna voted jingle compared to aris.

-LH

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there's nothing to coordinate in night actions then and this day can end whenever

I'm not dead certain Ari is scum but we have:
A) RC actually sent Ari confusing summary posts (not impossible but pretty unlikely) AND Ari was genuinely confused about a role he has modded AND misread his role PM when dealing with MULTIPLE nights AND based on the role he thought he had he like barely crumbed his strong investigative results?????????????????????????????

or

B) Ari's team forgot to update his fakeclaim after Ari claimed roleblocked on N4 and Ari got confused on the fakeclaim that mastina wrote before she died

And I think I gamble on B most times here

-rh

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Creature is Ari today's compromise wagon and you are ready to end the day?

-RH

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Rereading his pg 4 ISO of vecna, I dont think that interaction he did with jingle , came from scum .
It reminds me of what FL did with Performer & Not_Mafia & Auro in a newbie game once. FL turned out to be town.
I think I see more and more, why vecna voted jingle.

-LH

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@nero With all the claims and night actions, at this point I dont see how vecna or jingle are likely scum...

-LH

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I'm with creature. I like long days as much as I like a long high school graduation ceremony - which is , not much.

-LH

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I think we have a good PoE and long days are annoying me.

ngl the thing that has me most worried about Ari's flip is that you haven't yet voted him while complaining about it being a compromise wagon lol

-rh

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if the lynch goes through today shouldn't night resolve before xmas?

then we can lynch on xmas for game over (maybe, optimistically)

also all the scum have seemed to want to use the whole dayphases which I've started to think they might have had a mechanical motivation for

-rh

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RIP this thread now

still only L-1 isn't it?

-rh

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ngl creature your desire to prolong the dayphase is making me lowkey nervous

like if lady angel's role is "if the dayphase lasts fucking forever then do extra shit" and you're a scum flavor cop doing weird theater then I'm gonna be really... uhh... I was gonna say mad but I wouldn't be, that actually would seem reasonable if there wasn't a million cross claims and other nonsense

-rh

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For the record I replaced in D2. Random claimed he had been blocked N1. I never got an answer as to what he did N1 so I don't know the intended target, thus the "???" in my actions. I, however, did forget to act N2. RC never got back to me on his actions so *shrugs* again lol

I really wanna give RC the benefit of the doubt that if your predecessor was RB'd n1 he would in fact have told you that

-rh

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Would you rather wait until 2019 for the thread to open again?

I mean there's like a 33% chance we're the nightkill tonight so the duration of night is kinda irrelevant

-rh

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ngl creature your desire to prolong the dayphase is making me lowkey nervous

Would you rather wait until 2019 for the thread to open again?

Dude just come back to it in 2019 then lol.

Plenty of other things you could do, like play a Steam game or keep up with other games.

-LH

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Profii hammering isn't as informative anyway

Most useful hammer would be Creature, Shoshin, or Sheep

Creature seems to have rejected the hammer, Sheep has basically expressed an "idk I guess intent?", so really the only question left is if Sho wants the hammer

Sho do you want the hammer?

-rh

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Who is Jingle's partner again, Ari?
-rh

[THE MEME MEN]

I liked your meme!

-RH

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Yeah if a town openly starts asking for their pinball machine to be repaired,

my enthusiasm for solving the game grew after more scum were lynched....I think the same could be said for right head lol. Once I got more organized and more enthusiastic about keeping up with the game, it was easier to coordinate with Krazy to game solve no matter how much insanity was being posted (JJH I'm LOOKING AT YOU , as well as creat + shos LOL see below). Good times.

Huge thanks to invis for repairing us before he left.
Not sure why scum refused to kill us when we explicitly posted at least 1 major clue that we were a powerful role.
Not sure what Creat / Shos were doing at eod 6 not voting aris.
Jingle surprised me a lot - very pleasant player who was highly meticulous.



-LH

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Jingle is fantastic!

Did people not know Jingle is fantastic?

Why are you looking at me regarding insanity being posted? I was pretty goddamn sane, if a bit tinfoily when extrapolating from my assumptions

1st time I ever played with Jingle. Jjh man...you sounded to lost....add in your strong defense of mastina and you voted no lynch that one time when we lynched scum!

Can't wait to see the scum pt when it's public.

I feel like we did have some luck on our side this game though, with the sudden vig on wheme...I was not understanding that too well.

Anyway , I am Performer - the left head of the hydra.

-LH

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So no one wants to play my next game?

Normally I would check it out but I am trying to finish a few remaining games before I stick to planned administration duties onsite. Entering a few new phases of my life - it'll take time and priority over FM gameplay.

Thank you though for the invite.

-LH

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I wasn't posting "insanity." All of my townreads were correct, and by the start of D5 my reads were basically enough to win the game (called Nico/Wheme as scum on D5 with Ari in my poe, and then on D6 I expressly said multiple times that we shouldn't vote Jingle when people were pushing his lynch and I had Ari in my top two suspects who I said I would lynch). But sure, lots of "insanity"...

I was talking about looking at you, not you posting insane things. Though some of your posts did sound scummy , hence jingle & my reservations on you being town.

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This is why I hate some people. They think they're suddenly geniuses just because they were right in one game

I myself wouldn't go as far as hating simply because someone is adamant they're right. But I do hear you, and definitely don't like people who approach the game that way.

-LH