In post 2375, Mewtaph wrote:Whatever. If it takes a town lynch to get A50 lynch then I'll take that trade. Lynch A50 tomorrow.
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In post 2380, Mewtaph wrote:In post 2375, Mewtaph wrote:Whatever. If it takes a town lynch to get A50 lynch then I'll take that trade. Lynch A50 tomorrow.- Mewtaph
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You aren't a real GS, or else I wouldn't make that statement. You rely on claiming because you know you played bad as scum.In post 2386, Almost50 wrote:
You do have a point actually. Those bad game designers .. they decided to put an investigative role in the setup! Why in hell would they ever do such evil?? And why would the Town try to make use of the investigative role provided to them by the setup designers?? That's outright cheating. Got it!In post 2367, Mewtaph wrote:You'd rather follow the investigative than play the game. If you want to play the game of night actions, go right ahead.- Mewtaph
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Let's not forget that my L-1 on DDL pretty much locked the attention in on DrDolittle for that day, making a lynch on me/Kokichi/PP impossible. Considering the lack of traction on my wagon for the solid first half of the day, this was to protect Kokichi/PP slots which I think are both town.
Their claim was bullshit and I already explained why yesterday.
Their response was bad so I L-1'd. They claimed a 50/50 on Gamma/A50 jailkeep when their read on A50 was null and Gamma was a scum lean.- Mewtaph
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I've been called a Mafia Doctor, Mafia Roleblocker/Jailkeeper, Mafia Ascetic, Mafia Goon or Mafia claiming non-ascetic and lying, Town Ascetic, etc.
So which exactly is it? A50 could just say that I am their top scum read instead of calling every mafia role in existence that could fit into the setup.
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Guess we can wait for their replacement?In post 2461, OkaPoka wrote:did sephiroth siteflake?- Mewtaph
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This is the closest thing to a crumb I made but again, didn't want to be too obvious about it.In post 778, Mewtaph wrote:Well, I already know you didn't like my predecessor so it feels very much like you're trying to trap my options.
If you were truly interested to find out if I was town or not I feel like you wouldn't restrict me in such a manner where you are essentially guiding my attention to where you want to go rather than what I necessarily think is most productive for me to be working on right now.- Mewtaph
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You're "pretty sure" but you're going to regret not reaching out to me this game. The only reach out you made was saying that I could be town out of one scum in {Mewtaph, Sephiroth}. If there's at least one scum in that group, then sure, you probably placed yourself in the best place to win the game as town. Both town? Gg, scum can pretty much watch the fireworks and ride their way to a victory.In post 2567, DVa wrote:Pretty sure this is not the first post town makes after scum CCs their role and actions.- Mewtaph
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Of course I want to avoid a public CC on DDL if I can try to push a lynch on him without revealing first? If the lynch strayed off I would have theoretically claimed and get him lynched, or JK someone that would make no sense for him to target so he would have to justify himself super poorly in thread the next day.
Walking into a 9p day it makes no sense for me/Seph to make CCable claims as the supposed scum team that A50 is trying to push through here. Literally, even if I was the only scum in that group and someone else was trying to deepscum, someone CCs me and it is the equivalent of a town PR trading for a scum lynch on D1 of a 9p game. Lmao- Mewtaph
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If I was actually scum roleblocker I can reliably sit on A50's face (roleblock him) for the rest of the game and play quieter as soon as I see an open GS claim. So if we're going to play the "if Mewtaph was scum what would he do?" then let's put a little more common sense into it rather than fantasy and magic.- Mewtaph
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Making an immediate jump from "I think DDL is an ML at the hands of apathy" into "DDL is a scumfuck, there's no way there are two JKs in a setup and that JK action is mine" should and cannot be taking place in the span of a single post because that's just easy for scum to read into after the fact. Progression is key. Either way he kinda got caught so lol.- Mewtaph
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It wasn't based on lies, because they couldn't make the JK claim, again without my non-ascetic claim. And questioning the nature of him JKing A50 himself is fine because itIn post 2619, OkaPoka wrote:So I assume that you prize you living over other townies living as much more important, given that you are willing to sacrifice some integrity in true thoughts for the sake of displaying a progression, even if it is based on lies?didn'tmake much sense and that information was public.- Mewtaph
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Spoiler: Thought Process on DDL claim
Seeing the overall town power level to try to evaluate game balance and scum roles seem appropriate through a mass claim because it is just a transparent way to clear up claims early now rather than later. Unless we don't plan to have a mass claim ever again, it makes little sense to delay it.
CCs or lack thereof will become clearer and it will be much easier to strike a precision on who I think scum is.
Could this be town A50 making leaps and bounds trying to make a me/Seph scum team work? Possibly. I'm not going to discount it entirely but as long as he's hard pushing for what I perceive to be both town and powerroles, then yeah no thanks, I'm not going to be into it.- Mewtaph
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It makes sense balance wise for there to be an investigative role to be in the setup. I don't see why an unclaimed investigative would withhold unless they really think that I am scum and don't want to go to a mass claim until later because it would be a distraction from my lynch.In post 2624, DVa wrote:Can you expand on why A50 is scum again Mew? You think there's an unclaimed investigative, or this setup has no investigative?- Mewtaph
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I JKed A50 so I either blocked him from making the kill or blocked a kill from going onto him.In post 2629, DVa wrote:OK Mew, but riddle me this
You're town JK. You know you blocked A50.
You also *think you prevented A50 from making a kill* and that A50 is scum
But then you think *scum don't know whether you're ascetic*?
In this scenario, A50 never even tried to target you, they know you are probably not ascetic because they know A50 was roleblocked.
So how the fuck does that compute? How do you think scum needed you to out you being "not-ascetic" if you *also* think you blocked A50 from making a kill?
I mean, scum still doesn't know whether I'm ascetic or not especially IF the roleblock didn't come from their team (ie. it came from me as town). That's why you making a push on claiming non-ascetic/ascetic was troubling because it could have been to clarify that it was a roleblock rather than a random town Ascetic variable => that's an unclaimed action for anyone to take. They are not mutually exclusive.- Mewtaph
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Ok, I will get to it.In post 2631, OkaPoka wrote:I know this might be a tall order, but can you go through each post you made after DDL claimed and up to you voting him and explain why you made that post, perhaps give more context on what you were thinking?
Spoiler: the posts in question- Mewtaph
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There are two possibilities for a scum RB.In post 2637, DVa wrote:
You're assuming then there's no scum RB?In post 2635, Mewtaph wrote:The thing is, Seph's claim is entirely testable and foolproof as soon as there are two kills in one night. So it's not much use pondering whether they are being truthful or not.
i) They roleblocked A50 with me on N1 (possible), then they missed a roleblock on some player without an ability on N2 (doesn't make much sense, if they were synced with my roleblock I'd think they would probably just roleblock A50 again since they don't know where his action is going)
ii) They missed their roleblock both nights - this only seems possible if A50 is scum because if A50 is town, it doesn't make sense for a scum roleblocker in existence to miss twice.
Either way, it will be likely with this many power claims in the mix, that a scum roleblocker would be forced to reveal next night, or forfeit their utility just to maintain the idea that there isn't one - I don't really understand why they would do this.- Mewtaph
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I mean, I guess? Some players think differently than others though. I thought that you were pushing malicious intent which in turn means that you now think that I was pushing a malicious intent of my own.In post 2639, DVa wrote:Scum claimed scum and half your thought process is about me?
Like you realize that's fucking weird right?
Where is:
"Did they infer my role from A50's claim?
Did they rolecop me?
Does this confirm BEF was a vig shot?
Are they trying to force me to CC so that they can shoot me or is this only to save DrD slot?
Why would DrD, as scum, cross-claim me if he wasn't sure I was already on the wagon?
Do scum assume that since he is cross-claiming a real TPR that he will go down so they will be bussing?"
Like, when is your fucking only thoughts about scum claiming scum "is DVa, confused by a claim with a confirmed night action, scum because she said shit about me being ascetic when I'm not"?
Like do you understand that this does not read like a town thought process, this reads like a "scum explaining why they were setting up a mislynch when they were supposedly CC'd by scum" thought process
Rolecop was far from my mind. Scum powers do not need to be over the top; every mafia member has an ability or one scum is a JOAT. I was thinking mostly a vanilla team based on how cluelessly DDL went around the claim and put in little effort into putting in work of them being a town JK from start of day assuming that result - it came after the JK claim.
How could they infer my role specifically over any other player in the playerlist based on A50's claim?
It could confirm BEF as a vig shot, but that seems irrelevant as it would self resolve as a vig anyway (the lack of vig claim on the day was also confusing and made me not want to jump to any conclusions).
Yes, they were probably hoping I would CC if they identified there was a JK in the setup but they didn't know who. It's an unclaimed action. It's sink or swim claim, that much was obvious and I wanted to make it a sink claim without me helping them in the "hoping" part. It was fairly obvious the claim didn't have much meat to it.
DDL has no idea he is cross claiming me specifically, unless scum has a rolecop and they targeted me over every other player in the playerlist and received back. If he did have knowledge of that, I have a feeling scum never makes that play, or is more cautious of making that play because I can just remove the support structures and he falls into the abyss (eats rope).
I don't understand the point you are trying to make with that last part - "Do scum assume that since he is cross-claiming a real TPR that he will go down so they will be bussing?"- Mewtaph
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Ok, so there are/were a couple options FMPOV that can't be cleared on the A50 side unless it is completely clear there are no CCs on an unclaimed investigative role or some other role that makes the current setup {Me JK, Seph Vig, A50 GS} an unbalanced setup.
A50 and DDL both scum
=> DDL's claim could be to reveal the JK
=> A50 has been saying that the JK/roleblock has to come from scum. This is concerning because either he forces a JK claim out on D2 and kills it, or he pushes future JK claims because "they would've claimed"
A50 town, DDL scum
=> DDL wants to take the unclaimed roleblock/save option from his scum point of view because he already knows that A50 was roleblocked, but not by them, and they also know that A50 was saved, but not by them (if he was the N1 target). This specific thought process suggests that A50 is town.
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I think scum definitely busses as soon as they see the direction heading that way (DDL's lynch) over people pursuing stuff Nako put out there like Kokichi or PenguinPower, etc.In post 2646, DVa wrote:
DrD when he makes that claim must know he is claiming a TPR, since you are town and know there was no scum RB on A50. So he knows *that person* will want to lynch him. He is now 100% confirmed scum to someone in the town. So then is the question do scum avoid the wagon because they want to see who pushes him after, or do scum bus because they assume he will be going down anyway given that now one person in the town has the equivalent of a daycop guilty on him? Or do they hardlurk given that DrD could be cross-claimed at any moment? How does scum react to knowing that DrD has just set himself up for a hard cross-claim?In post 2643, Mewtaph wrote:"Do scum assume that since he is cross-claiming a real TPR that he will go down so they will be bussing?"
Mostly the way that pressure pushed onto DDL suggested that the claim didn't work, town was pushing them but not revealing. You were pushing with me which also made me feel better that although they can guess between who pushed DDL after the claim, they will be mostly shooting blind (this is partly why I considered JKing you since you seemed quite vocal about moving from PP to DDL which could be interpreted as a town TPR anti-DDL claim action).- Mewtaph
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I think from the A50/DDL both scum perspective, the scum team knows that BEF was a vig shot, and their shot was blocked (from this point of view). Thus a JK claim makes sense to explain that he was saved over a scum kill block.In post 2648, DVa wrote:But in this scenario *DDL doesn't know there is JK*. From DrD's point of view, it could be: roleblocker, JK, Commuter, or he could have hit a bulletproof or commuted target. His kill target could have been doc saved. His kill target could have been babysat. His kill target could have been a town hider. There's a lot of reasons for A50's nightkill to fail if he's scum, there's no reason to assume it's JK over anything else, unless he was just going with the flow of the town because I think maybe a few people had speculated about JK at that point. In which case that's a crazy f'n coincidence
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