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Post Post #2380 (isolation #200) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:10 pm

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In post 2375, Mewtaph wrote:Whatever. If it takes a town lynch to get A50 lynch then I'll take that trade. Lynch A50 tomorrow.
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Post Post #2383 (isolation #201) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:12 pm

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In post 2380, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 2375, Mewtaph wrote:Whatever. If it takes a town lynch to get A50 lynch then I'll take that trade. Lynch A50 tomorrow.
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Post Post #2385 (isolation #202) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:14 pm

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Not unity with town. A50 is not town.
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Post Post #2387 (isolation #203) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:15 pm

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In post 2386, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2367, Mewtaph wrote:You'd rather follow the investigative than play the game. If you want to play the game of night actions, go right ahead.
You do have a point actually. Those bad game designers .. they decided to put an investigative role in the setup! Why in hell would they ever do such evil?? And why would the Town try to make use of the investigative role provided to them by the setup designers?? That's outright cheating. Got it! :lol: :lol: :lol:
You aren't a real GS, or else I wouldn't make that statement. You rely on claiming because you know you played bad as scum.
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Post Post #2392 (isolation #204) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:21 pm

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Ok no problem. Self vote tomorrow and prodge until you get lynched.
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Post Post #2397 (isolation #205) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:38 pm

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LOL I'd play but you already caught me with your excellent bait apparently.
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Post Post #2399 (isolation #206) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:57 pm

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Anyway, town!A50 gets this to 5 players - 3 town 2 scum lylo if he actually self votes and prodges to lynch tomorrow so him being quickly accepting of taking my ML for free hints he is not going to do that. He plans on relying on escaping tomorrow which is extremely scummy.
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Post Post #2402 (isolation #207) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:03 pm

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Oka, who's scum?
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Post Post #2403 (isolation #208) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:12 pm

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VOTE: OkaPoka

A50 reaction is acceptable.
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Post Post #2404 (isolation #209) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:01 am

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Last 3 pages and nothing changed. This is such a blatant losing battle that I largely cbf. If you want to call me scum get the main point through so I can actually explain my thought process. Nako yet to come into thread so that's even more unnecessary handwaving yet to come. Cheers.
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Post Post #2409 (isolation #210) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:27 am

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That's L-1.
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Post Post #2410 (isolation #211) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:35 am

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Let's not forget that my L-1 on DDL pretty much locked the attention in on DrDolittle for that day, making a lynch on me/Kokichi/PP impossible. Considering the lack of traction on my wagon for the solid first half of the day, this was to protect Kokichi/PP slots which I think are both town.

Their claim was bullshit and I already explained why yesterday.

Their response was bad so I L-1'd. They claimed a 50/50 on Gamma/A50 jailkeep when their read on A50 was null and Gamma was a scum lean.
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Post Post #2411 (isolation #212) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:48 am

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I've been called a Mafia Doctor, Mafia Roleblocker/Jailkeeper, Mafia Ascetic, Mafia Goon or Mafia claiming non-ascetic and lying, Town Ascetic, etc.

So which exactly is it? A50 could just say that I am their top scum read instead of calling every mafia role in existence that could fit into the setup.

But that would be keeping it too real.
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Post Post #2434 (isolation #213) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:20 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2435 (isolation #214) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:29 pm

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So I'm destroying the game if town because emotion is present in my posts? If that was a massive crime then why didn't you call out A50 for that when he first did that with Seph? Get real.
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Post Post #2437 (isolation #215) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:59 pm

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VOTE: Sephiroth
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Post Post #2439 (isolation #216) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:02 pm

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.-.
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Post Post #2466 (isolation #217) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:05 pm

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In post 2461, OkaPoka wrote:did sephiroth siteflake?
Guess we can wait for their replacement?
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Post Post #2490 (isolation #218) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:16 pm

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Can I claim?
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Post Post #2491 (isolation #219) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:16 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2493 (isolation #220) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:17 pm

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Town JK here.

JK A50 N1.
JK DVa N2.
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Post Post #2495 (isolation #221) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:18 pm

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If we manage to lynch scum today my JK action is equivalent to a cop check.
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Post Post #2497 (isolation #222) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:23 pm

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Yup.
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Post Post #2499 (isolation #223) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:25 pm

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In post 778, Mewtaph wrote:Well, I already know you didn't like my predecessor so it feels very much like you're trying to trap my options.

If you were truly interested to find out if I was town or not I feel like you wouldn't restrict me in such a manner where you are essentially guiding my attention to where you want to go rather than what I necessarily think is most productive for me to be working on right now.
This is the closest thing to a crumb I made but again, didn't want to be too obvious about it.
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Post Post #2506 (isolation #224) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:29 pm

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Yup. I considered JKing Nako but ended on trying to go for a blocking JK. I didn't think that scum would make the "obvious" kill of Joey_ when the mason claim was still around, and tbh I felt like I was fine with losing Kokichi if they wanted to shoot them over Joey_ in the mason claims.
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Post Post #2509 (isolation #225) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:31 pm

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I JKed you because I didn't like how you played around me being Ascetic/Non-Ascetic. I thought that if you were scum you would probably be the least suspected of the last two mafia in your group. Also you might have been the NK but that was definitely secondary.
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Post Post #2514 (isolation #226) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:40 pm

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I'm pretty sure I saw something similar reading another game and it was classified as encryption.
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Post Post #2538 (isolation #227) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:47 pm

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Kokichi Oma > Gamma Emerald > OkaPoka > PenguinPower > Nako > DVa

I think Nako then DVa should be at the end of the claim order (in that order). Kokichi should be first or second to claim imo.
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Post Post #2540 (isolation #228) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:49 pm

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Yeah, after or before Kokichi is fine.
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Post Post #2605 (isolation #229) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:37 pm

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A50 is scum... :?
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Post Post #2606 (isolation #230) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:39 pm

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In post 2567, DVa wrote:Pretty sure this is not the first post town makes after scum CCs their role and actions.
You're "pretty sure" but you're going to regret not reaching out to me this game. The only reach out you made was saying that I could be town out of one scum in {Mewtaph, Sephiroth}. If there's at least one scum in that group, then sure, you probably placed yourself in the best place to win the game as town. Both town? Gg, scum can pretty much watch the fireworks and ride their way to a victory.
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Post Post #2607 (isolation #231) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:40 pm

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And I'm sorry but Gamma has to be considered a top town read even if they are actually scum just because they are the only person that makes any sense here, lmao.
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Post Post #2608 (isolation #232) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:42 pm

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Some of you want to play the "your actions don't make sense as town" but really I just think you don't like the way I played the JK role, like lol I actually blocked a kill on N1 in some form or another so kkk
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Post Post #2609 (isolation #233) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:44 pm

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A50 wants his read so badly to be right it has to be read as scum.
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Post Post #2610 (isolation #234) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:49 pm

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Of course I want to avoid a public CC on DDL if I can try to push a lynch on him without revealing first? If the lynch strayed off I would have theoretically claimed and get him lynched, or JK someone that would make no sense for him to target so he would have to justify himself super poorly in thread the next day.

Walking into a 9p day it makes no sense for me/Seph to make CCable claims as the supposed scum team that A50 is trying to push through here. Literally, even if I was the only scum in that group and someone else was trying to deepscum, someone CCs me and it is the equivalent of a town PR trading for a scum lynch on D1 of a 9p game. Lmao
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Post Post #2611 (isolation #235) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:50 pm

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The JK actions only make sense from me, tbh. So trying to frame it as anyone else is stupid, and lynching me just because you think I'm scum roleblocker/Jk over town JK is dumb as fuck when I flip.
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Post Post #2612 (isolation #236) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:52 pm

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If I was actually scum roleblocker I can reliably sit on A50's face (roleblock him) for the rest of the game and play quieter as soon as I see an open GS claim. So if we're going to play the "if Mewtaph was scum what would he do?" then let's put a little more common sense into it rather than fantasy and magic.
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Post Post #2615 (isolation #237) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:57 pm

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Lol whatever, just don't ever lynch Sephiroth this game, that was my goal D2 and somehow a staggering amount of people walk out thinking there has to be at least one scum in that group.
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Post Post #2616 (isolation #238) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:58 pm

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I did? With an L-1 vote? And questioning the logic behind his A50 JK? Like just because DVa doesn't like that I call out her play as being optimal from DDL-partner perspective, doesn't mean shit.
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Post Post #2618 (isolation #239) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:03 pm

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Making an immediate jump from "I think DDL is an ML at the hands of apathy" into "DDL is a scumfuck, there's no way there are two JKs in a setup and that JK action is mine" should and cannot be taking place in the span of a single post because that's just easy for scum to read into after the fact. Progression is key. Either way he kinda got caught so lol.
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Post Post #2620 (isolation #240) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:07 pm

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In post 2619, OkaPoka wrote:So I assume that you prize you living over other townies living as much more important, given that you are willing to sacrifice some integrity in true thoughts for the sake of displaying a progression, even if it is based on lies?
It wasn't based on lies, because they couldn't make the JK claim, again without my non-ascetic claim. And questioning the nature of him JKing A50 himself is fine because it
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Post Post #2622 (isolation #241) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:10 pm

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If I'm an ungated PR in the setup? For sure I'm not going to waste my claim on the tail end of the day just to be a free NK the next night.

My actions were transparent and obvious for me to make as a town JK whether you like it or not.
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Post Post #2625 (isolation #242) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:24 pm

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Spoiler: Thought Process on DDL claim
1) This is a claim based entirely on actions made by me unless there is a scum roleblocker and the scum team actually did end up roleblocking A50 as well.
2) DVa's play around me/Seph has been irking me for this entire day phase (D2). They've displayed that they've been stuck on my slot in one way or another but I'm not completely convinced that they couldn't just be trying to sew seeds of doubt on each other.
3) DVa's reaction to that... wasn't great. They took that more as an attack on them rather than an attack on DDL when it is two-pronged on both players.
4) If people are thinking about going to an alternative wagon and there are people saying that this is another case of "there has to be scum in DDL/Mew" because this isn't how scum play around each other, then I think this is a good time to L-1.


Seeing the overall town power level to try to evaluate game balance and scum roles seem appropriate through a mass claim because it is just a transparent way to clear up claims early now rather than later. Unless we don't plan to have a mass claim ever again, it makes little sense to delay it.

CCs or lack thereof will become clearer and it will be much easier to strike a precision on who I think scum is.

Could this be town A50 making leaps and bounds trying to make a me/Seph scum team work? Possibly. I'm not going to discount it entirely but as long as he's hard pushing for what I perceive to be both town and powerroles, then yeah no thanks, I'm not going to be into it.
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Post Post #2626 (isolation #243) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:27 pm

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In post 2624, DVa wrote:Can you expand on why A50 is scum again Mew? You think there's an unclaimed investigative, or this setup has no investigative?
It makes sense balance wise for there to be an investigative role to be in the setup. I don't see why an unclaimed investigative would withhold unless they really think that I am scum and don't want to go to a mass claim until later because it would be a distraction from my lynch.
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Post Post #2628 (isolation #244) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:35 pm

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I am not missing your point, I just don't particularly care for it because I already know it's not true and you are screaming scum in every post.
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Post Post #2630 (isolation #245) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:36 pm

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@A50, Also, even if that were true, any protective role CCing me would be in the realms on reasonability.
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Post Post #2632 (isolation #246) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:39 pm

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In post 2629, DVa wrote:OK Mew, but riddle me this

You're town JK. You know you blocked A50.

You also *think you prevented A50 from making a kill* and that A50 is scum

But then you think *scum don't know whether you're ascetic*?

In this scenario, A50 never even tried to target you, they know you are probably not ascetic because they know A50 was roleblocked.

So how the fuck does that compute? How do you think scum needed you to out you being "not-ascetic" if you *also* think you blocked A50 from making a kill?
I JKed A50 so I either blocked him from making the kill or blocked a kill from going onto him.

I mean, scum still doesn't know whether I'm ascetic or not especially IF the roleblock didn't come from their team (ie. it came from me as town). That's why you making a push on claiming non-ascetic/ascetic was troubling because it could have been to clarify that it was a roleblock rather than a random town Ascetic variable => that's an unclaimed action for anyone to take. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Post Post #2633 (isolation #247) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:40 pm

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In post 2631, OkaPoka wrote:I know this might be a tall order, but can you go through each post you made after DDL claimed and up to you voting him and explain why you made that post, perhaps give more context on what you were thinking?
Spoiler: the posts in question
In post 2218, Mewtaph wrote:See, my non-ascetic claim makes the claim less believable. If one of DDL/DVa flips scum then the other has a very strong chance to. Do not ignore this.
In post 2221, Mewtaph wrote:If scum doesn't know if I'm ascetic or not, then they can't make the roleblocked A50 claim because they don't actually know if I'm ascetic or not. Whereas if town roleblocked A50, they already know and don't need me to claim ascetic or not.
In post 2223, Mewtaph wrote:They can't do it if they didn't roleblock/JK A50 themselves. The claim doesn't make sense for DDL to target A50 because on D1 to DDL he was a null slot.
In post 2228, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 2225, Gamma Emerald wrote:Depends on how DDL was playing. If he wanted to go for blocking kills that would make sense.
If he wanted to go for blocking kills then he wouldn't have gone for A50. Based on his reads inthread, he would have JKed BEF.
In post 2230, Mewtaph wrote:Well, his next likely scum on his list was you, and I don't think you were suspected in thread.
In post 2235, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 2226, DVa wrote:
In post 2187, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 2184, OkaPoka wrote:Also why A50 over one of the masons?
this is embarassing but I thought he was scum and likely to make the kill on day end
I guess it is worth asking what about the flip made you change your read of a50 and why you wouldn't use the jk protectively... like why would you assume a50 would be the one to make the kill?

UNVOTE:
Why did you unvote DDL in this post. This is why I don't feel comfortable with ever townreading you in this game.
In post 2236, Mewtaph wrote:NVM, read VC wrong. Still, not trusting of your slot and I think a dose of that is healthy enough.
In post 2288, Mewtaph wrote:VOTE: DrDolittle
L-1.
Ok, I will get to it.
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Post Post #2635 (isolation #248) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:44 pm

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The thing is, Seph's claim is entirely testable and foolproof as soon as there are two kills in one night. So it's not much use pondering whether they are being truthful or not.
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Post Post #2638 (isolation #249) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:51 pm

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In post 2637, DVa wrote:
In post 2635, Mewtaph wrote:The thing is, Seph's claim is entirely testable and foolproof as soon as there are two kills in one night. So it's not much use pondering whether they are being truthful or not.
You're assuming then there's no scum RB?
There are two possibilities for a scum RB.
i) They roleblocked A50 with me on N1 (possible), then they missed a roleblock on some player without an ability on N2 (doesn't make much sense, if they were synced with my roleblock I'd think they would probably just roleblock A50 again since they don't know where his action is going)
ii) They missed their roleblock both nights - this only seems possible if A50 is scum because if A50 is town, it doesn't make sense for a scum roleblocker in existence to miss twice.

Either way, it will be likely with this many power claims in the mix, that a scum roleblocker would be forced to reveal next night, or forfeit their utility just to maintain the idea that there isn't one - I don't really understand why they would do this.
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Post Post #2640 (isolation #250) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:05 pm

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Spoiler: Posts in question
Reading thread, Jailkeeper claim spotted. First thought: scum. Second thought: I don't want to reveal if I don't have to. Third thought: The action doesn't make much sense coming from him, and only makes sense from Seph/Mew. Maybe I can try to trap him in a web.
In post 2218, Mewtaph wrote:See, my non-ascetic claim makes the claim less believable. If one of DDL/DVa flips scum then the other has a very strong chance to. Do not ignore this.
Let me state outright that the claim isn't as believable due to my open non-ascetic claim. As long as scum isn't A50, my non-ascetic claim means there is an open roleblock/save => JK action on A50 that DDL can try to claim. I attributed this to DVa because just before this post he switched off of DDL due to the claim.
In post 2221, Mewtaph wrote:If scum doesn't know if I'm ascetic or not, then they can't make the roleblocked A50 claim because they don't actually know if I'm ascetic or not. Whereas if town roleblocked A50, they already know and don't need me to claim ascetic or not.
I'm elaborating on why I think the claim is not believable aka bullshit. Gamma pushing me on this is ideal because I am already sure that DDL wouldn't choose to JK A50 themselves.
In post 2223, Mewtaph wrote:They can't do it if they didn't roleblock/JK A50 themselves. The claim doesn't make sense for DDL to target A50 because on D1 to DDL he was a null slot.
This was a bit more blatant in saying "I know that the claim doesn't make sense because I did it myself, and he didn't do it himself". While still keeping attention on the action matching DDL himself, which is public information anyone can observe -- noone can observe my role PM but me right now and I don't really want it up to observation at this point.
In post 2228, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 2225, Gamma Emerald wrote:Depends on how DDL was playing. If he wanted to go for blocking kills that would make sense.
If he wanted to go for blocking kills then he wouldn't have gone for A50. Based on his reads inthread, he would have JKed BEF.
I want to make it clear that one of his top priorities, if going for a JK, would have been BEF who he had as his strongest scum read during D1. Incidentally BEF died - I want to make it seem like DDL had to jump a lot of hoops to get through to deciding to JK A50 for a roleblocking action. If they aren't using "I spotted the GS crumb" then it's clear that his argument is for blocking so I want to tear that argument up as much as possible.
In post 2230, Mewtaph wrote:Well, his next likely scum on his list was you, and I don't think you were suspected in thread.
Continuing to push on public information; DDl's second highest scum read was Gamma, and clearly DDL didn't choose to JK Gamma, he supposedly JKed A50. This is pretty much a challenge
In post 2235, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 2226, DVa wrote:
In post 2187, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 2184, OkaPoka wrote:Also why A50 over one of the masons?
this is embarassing but I thought he was scum and likely to make the kill on day end
I guess it is worth asking what about the flip made you change your read of a50 and why you wouldn't use the jk protectively... like why would you assume a50 would be the one to make the kill?

UNVOTE:
Why did you unvote DDL in this post. This is why I don't feel comfortable with ever townreading you in this game.
DVa related. DVa did some of the pushing on DDL for me to ensure that he would have to answer it (all of us) in his next post, so I was comfortable on that front.
In post 2236, Mewtaph wrote:NVM, read VC wrong. Still, not trusting of your slot and I think a dose of that is healthy enough.
DVa related. Me claiming non-ascetic means that the roleblock/save => JK action is unclaimed and up for grabs for a desperate PR claim, so I related it mostly to DVa. VC had DVa voting DDL but they changed their vote to PP after the VC which did not compute with me when I made the previous post.
In post 2288, Mewtaph wrote:VOTE: DrDolittle
L-1.
Honing it in; wasn't happy with the logic, eliminating any doubt that there are two JKs in a setup (lol) and that he was scum. [This is not relevant to the thought process behind the post, but the way DDL went around the claim also reveals a bit on how scum themselves might be confused about the JK on A50 themselves => suggests to me that there is probably no scum roleblocker.]
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #251) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:15 pm

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In post 2639, DVa wrote:Scum claimed scum and half your thought process is about me?

Like you realize that's fucking weird right?

Where is:
"Did they infer my role from A50's claim?
Did they rolecop me?
Does this confirm BEF was a vig shot?
Are they trying to force me to CC so that they can shoot me or is this only to save DrD slot?
Why would DrD, as scum, cross-claim me if he wasn't sure I was already on the wagon?
Do scum assume that since he is cross-claiming a real TPR that he will go down so they will be bussing?"

Like, when is your fucking only thoughts about scum claiming scum "is DVa, confused by a claim with a confirmed night action, scum because she said shit about me being ascetic when I'm not"?

Like do you understand that this does not read like a town thought process, this reads like a "scum explaining why they were setting up a mislynch when they were supposedly CC'd by scum" thought process
I mean, I guess? Some players think differently than others though. I thought that you were pushing malicious intent which in turn means that you now think that I was pushing a malicious intent of my own.

Rolecop was far from my mind. Scum powers do not need to be over the top; every mafia member has an ability or one scum is a JOAT. I was thinking mostly a vanilla team based on how cluelessly DDL went around the claim and put in little effort into putting in work of them being a town JK from start of day assuming that result - it came after the JK claim.

How could they infer my role specifically over any other player in the playerlist based on A50's claim?

It could confirm BEF as a vig shot, but that seems irrelevant as it would self resolve as a vig anyway (the lack of vig claim on the day was also confusing and made me not want to jump to any conclusions).

Yes, they were probably hoping I would CC if they identified there was a JK in the setup but they didn't know who. It's an unclaimed action. It's sink or swim claim, that much was obvious and I wanted to make it a sink claim without me helping them in the "hoping" part. It was fairly obvious the claim didn't have much meat to it.

DDL has no idea he is cross claiming me specifically, unless scum has a rolecop and they targeted me over every other player in the playerlist and received back. If he did have knowledge of that, I have a feeling scum never makes that play, or is more cautious of making that play because I can just remove the support structures and he falls into the abyss (eats rope).

I don't understand the point you are trying to make with that last part - "Do scum assume that since he is cross-claiming a real TPR that he will go down so they will be bussing?"
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Post Post #2644 (isolation #252) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:16 pm

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Holy shit you are drowning me DVa. I'll get to 2641 next.
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Post Post #2647 (isolation #253) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:24 pm

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Ok, so there are/were a couple options FMPOV that can't be cleared on the A50 side unless it is completely clear there are no CCs on an unclaimed investigative role or some other role that makes the current setup {Me JK, Seph Vig, A50 GS} an unbalanced setup.

A50 and DDL both scum
=> DDL's claim could be to reveal the JK
=> A50 has been saying that the JK/roleblock has to come from scum. This is concerning because either he forces a JK claim out on D2 and kills it, or he pushes future JK claims because "they would've claimed"

A50 town, DDL scum
=> DDL wants to take the unclaimed roleblock/save option from his scum point of view because he already knows that A50 was roleblocked, but not by them, and they also know that A50 was saved, but not by them (if he was the N1 target). This specific thought process suggests that A50 is town.

I can't completely remove doubt.
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Post Post #2649 (isolation #254) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:30 pm

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In post 2646, DVa wrote:
In post 2643, Mewtaph wrote:"Do scum assume that since he is cross-claiming a real TPR that he will go down so they will be bussing?"
DrD when he makes that claim must know he is claiming a TPR, since you are town and know there was no scum RB on A50. So he knows *that person* will want to lynch him. He is now 100% confirmed scum to someone in the town. So then is the question do scum avoid the wagon because they want to see who pushes him after, or do scum bus because they assume he will be going down anyway given that now one person in the town has the equivalent of a daycop guilty on him? Or do they hardlurk given that DrD could be cross-claimed at any moment? How does scum react to knowing that DrD has just set himself up for a hard cross-claim?
I think scum definitely busses as soon as they see the direction heading that way (DDL's lynch) over people pursuing stuff Nako put out there like Kokichi or PenguinPower, etc.
Mostly the way that pressure pushed onto DDL suggested that the claim didn't work, town was pushing them but not revealing. You were pushing with me which also made me feel better that although they can guess between who pushed DDL after the claim, they will be mostly shooting blind (this is partly why I considered JKing you since you seemed quite vocal about moving from PP to DDL which could be interpreted as a town TPR anti-DDL claim action).
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Post Post #2650 (isolation #255) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:33 pm

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In post 2648, DVa wrote:
In post 2647, Mewtaph wrote:A50 and DDL both scum
=> DDL's claim could be to reveal the JK
But in this scenario *DDL doesn't know there is JK*. From DrD's point of view, it could be: roleblocker, JK, Commuter, or he could have hit a bulletproof or commuted target. His kill target could have been doc saved. His kill target could have been babysat. His kill target could have been a town hider. There's a lot of reasons for A50's nightkill to fail if he's scum, there's no reason to assume it's JK over anything else, unless he was just going with the flow of the town because I think maybe a few people had speculated about JK at that point. In which case that's a crazy f'n coincidence
I think from the A50/DDL both scum perspective, the scum team knows that BEF was a vig shot, and their shot was blocked (from this point of view). Thus a JK claim makes sense to explain that he was saved over a scum kill block.
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Post Post #2651 (isolation #256) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:34 pm

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Also, Town Roleblocker is rare, I haven't seen many in setups, so it makes sense to upscale to JK because it sounds better lol.
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Post Post #2652 (isolation #257) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:35 pm

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A town JK claim both explains the block and why he was in this scenario supposedly saved when he was blocked.
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Post Post #2654 (isolation #258) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:45 pm

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I would want to shoot Kokichi because things are adding up to Kokichi/A50 to me based on positioning throughout this game.
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Post Post #2657 (isolation #259) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:54 pm

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Kokichi isn't going to get lynched today though.
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Post Post #2658 (isolation #260) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:56 pm

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Like, I don't understand what the point of that question is; where I would lynch next and where I would want Seph to vig would be dependent on the flip itself. Just seems like a poor attempt to try to communicate with me while keeping the doors shut.
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Post Post #2660 (isolation #261) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:59 pm

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I'm not willing to assume on town flips to indicate my future actions when they haven't even happened yet.
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Post Post #2665 (isolation #262) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:04 pm

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All I can say is that transparency probably increases win % by a lot here. So that's what I'm trying to strive for.
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Post Post #2693 (isolation #263) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:04 am

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Dead
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Post Post #2730 (isolation #264) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:22 am

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DVa next.
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Post Post #2763 (isolation #265) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:24 am

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Hello. :]
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Post Post #2807 (isolation #266) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:58 pm

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zzzzz
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Post Post #2821 (isolation #267) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:36 pm

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Yeah, I'm tuning out lmao.
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Post Post #2825 (isolation #268) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:38 pm

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I'm probably going to target whoever I think is the best target. DVa can still voyeur A50 if she wants to confirm A50, then that's her thing.
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Post Post #2832 (isolation #269) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:41 pm

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Well, you voyeuring for Seph/A50 is almost pointless. So me/you should target the same person, I can do a 5/6 chance thing I will target one person but I'm not going to set it in stone
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Post Post #2839 (isolation #270) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:43 pm

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In post 2828, Almost50 wrote:Guys, I don't want to be mean.. but if you don't lynch Sep0h I'm not acting tonight. You gonna throw, I'm gonna see you and raise you. OK?
If you are real, your reads have been a flop this game so you will probably target whoever dies anyway, so idc if you no action.
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Post Post #2842 (isolation #271) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:45 pm

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In post 2838, DVa wrote:We can't have both Vig and JK unleashed, so if Mew isn't agreeing to be leashed he is getting lynched today

We can have one of the two unleashed, not both
The point is that they can't just shoot you so you can't confirm me, but ok :)
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Post Post #2843 (isolation #272) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:45 pm

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In post 2841, OkaPoka wrote:scum flip = shoot pp

town flip = shoot a50

?
Any flip = seph vigs whoever they want
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Post Post #2846 (isolation #273) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:47 pm

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In post 2844, DVa wrote:
In post 2842, Mewtaph wrote:The point is that they can't just shoot you so you can't confirm me, but ok
You're saying you would JK me?

That is a theoretical possibility actually, if you agree to be leashed to me. This does prevent the chance of me confirming A50's gunsmith check is real, though.

We could go: you JK Oka, and my Voyeur resolves on Oka with you there, or you JK me, and I know you did not JK Seph's vig target

This would be ok actually, but you can't be totally unleashed, we can do at best 50/50.
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Post Post #2848 (isolation #274) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:49 pm

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In post 2847, OkaPoka wrote:the thing is seph can conf town themselves while mew cant
yea, then if seph confirms themselves then it's confirmed i blocked the scum kill. facts.
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Post Post #2851 (isolation #275) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:50 pm

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In post 2849, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2839, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 2828, Almost50 wrote:Guys, I don't want to be mean.. but if you don't lynch Sep0h I'm not acting tonight. You gonna throw, I'm gonna see you and raise you. OK?
If you are real, your reads have been a flop this game so you will probably target whoever dies anyway, so idc if you no action.
Well, the plan was for you to JK the same person I'm targeting, Einstein!! They can't die when you're protecting them, can they?
Like I said, I will JK Oka still by default, but I might JK DVa. But anyway, I don't really care where you target if you don't want to be confirmed by voyeur -shrug-
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Post Post #2854 (isolation #276) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:53 pm

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In post 2852, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2848, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 2847, OkaPoka wrote:the thing is seph can conf town themselves while mew cant
yea, then if seph confirms themselves then it's confirmed i blocked the scum kill. facts.
slight possibility of holstering or dva+you lying and in a team so not really confirmed?
It is confirmed because only 1 killing action targeted BEF, unless you're saying scum NK N1
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Post Post #2856 (isolation #277) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:55 pm

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In post 2853, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: mew

this is never JK or he would have CC'd yesterday, just lynch it
Already made entire walls talking about this, what a flop investigative action, having Gamma clear or PP would be more useful than you in lylo.
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Post Post #2857 (isolation #278) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:56 pm

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In post 2855, OkaPoka wrote:unless dva is scum and is lying ?

and yes i am saying the latter is possible
Um no if Seph confirms themselves, then it's through their vig shot. Don't need voyeur to see that lol
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Post Post #2858 (isolation #279) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:57 pm

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Then this
In post 2848, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 2847, OkaPoka wrote:the thing is seph can conf town themselves while mew cant
yea, then if seph confirms themselves then it's confirmed i blocked the scum kill. facts.
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Post Post #2861 (isolation #280) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:58 pm

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In post 2859, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2851, Mewtaph wrote:Like I said, I will JK Oka still by default, but I might JK DVa. But anyway, I don't really care where you target if you don't want to be confirmed by voyeur -shrug-
You're thick, aren't you?
IF YOU, I & DVa ALL TARGET OKA BOTH YOU & I GET CONFIRMED BY HER.


Like, do you even know how Voyeur works?
You already showed that you have an investigative action because you claimed no result when I JKed you, FMPOV you are already confirmed investigative PR.
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Post Post #2863 (isolation #281) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:00 pm

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In post 2860, OkaPoka wrote:in a world of dva scum and mew scum with vig seph

n1: seph shoots bef, scum kill bef, scum roleblock a50

dva scum claims only one visit on bef, but is lying.

tada
Ok, but why would scum kill BEF lol
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Post Post #2865 (isolation #282) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:02 pm

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FMPOV. The other players don't know 100%.
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Post Post #2869 (isolation #283) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:04 pm

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Whatever, I'm just really bored tbh. This day phase is becoming pretty useless analysis wise because anyone can do mechanics talk, but again, it's boring.
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Post Post #2886 (isolation #284) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:17 pm

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In post 2877, Almost50 wrote:Because I'm stone-walling it?
So basically you're going to lynch a claimed vig before they can prove their night action. How does this make any sense?
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Post Post #2890 (isolation #285) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:19 pm

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In post 2889, Almost50 wrote:Scum Doctor is MEW from my PoV. That's why I'm still alive. There's no way Scum would have predicted I'd check Koki on N2.

@Gamma: Yes, the day is dragging bc you're voting PP. Switch your vote to either Seph or Mew yo get it over with.
I roleblocked you instead of killing you if I picked up your GS crumb as scum? Are you stupid?
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Post Post #2896 (isolation #286) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:23 pm

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If A50 is town then he already lost the game by forcing a lynch on Seph, who can confirm me, or me, who can be confirmed by Seph or at least that I am JK over scum roleblocker by DVa.

With me being lynched and flipping town, Seph should shoot whoever they think is actually scum, no specific targets.
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Post Post #2900 (isolation #287) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:24 pm

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In post 2895, Almost50 wrote:@Mew: Half of MS knows I often FAKE TPR to attract the NK as a VT. The safer play for scum with TB is indeed to RB me on N1 and see what happens on D2 rather than waste their shot on a VT.
OMG I don't care about you trying to psychological warfare me into saying you are town ok? If you are town then you stone walled a lynch on an unknown VT to get me lynched or someone that confirm me if they are town.
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Post Post #2905 (isolation #288) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:25 pm

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lol, this will be a fun post game.
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Post Post #2907 (isolation #289) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:29 pm

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Town: {Nako, OkaPoka}

Don't lynch these two ever. Thanks.
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Post Post #3215 (isolation #290) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:52 pm

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Very good lylo play. Well done.
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