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Dva can you answer my questions while I try to wrap my head around Joeys last post?

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@Seph, as I said in my read list, I kinda prefer DrD. A big part of my push on Mew was related to how he reacted to the discussion of being a possible ascetic. I'm not sure having the shitty reads list in and of itself is enough for me to lynch him right now, although I didn't really like his predecessor either.

I don't think this gels with your town game, it feels like you're settling because you don't like his reads list. Having a poor reads list in no way makes you scum because how you read people is subjective 9 times out of 10. Also what you're saying here is completely inconsistent with what you said about his slot in 1700 where you say he flips scum every time.

What I would say though is that right now I don't feel like either of you had organic responses to A50's 1v1 with me today. Like, it was such a wild case, made for such spiteful reasons, and it felt like neither of you really wanted to process it at a deeper level. So something seems off with both of you frankly.

I didn't really read it carefully...1v1s happen frequently and its not my style to try too hard to analyze them until one of the slots flips. It was honestly a stupid thing to argue about. What's more interesting is that you characterize me as having no *organic* response to that 1v1 but thats because I had NO response to your 1v1. I literally didn't acknowledge it. Thats completely normal for me so I'm pretty curious why you think that matters. You can certainly say I didn't respond at all but lumping me in with Mew's response is lazy and incorrect.

In regard to Oka, I'll reread the scumgame again soon, but I guess I just have a hard time seeing how you start off naturally scumreading him. But your questions are also "reevaluate highly active, proactive players."

Thats not my question. My question is how the hell do you read him as active and engaged (seemingly) just for his post count, and not at all care about the timing and context of when he decided to completely drop out. I'm not sure if you're purposefully missing my point here. Its not reevaluate active and engaged players, its reevaluate active and engaged players that you tr

when they conspicuously disappear during crucial moments in the game

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Like, I don't know how you look at this game and choose three of the most proactive and active players and call all three of them scum. Like, something seems really fucking off with your reads. It's not just calling me scum, Oka scum, and A50 scum individually. It's that your reads list is everyone who has been chatty and pushy this game.

Or, its like I don't look at vote counts to decide who I should scum read? I had no fucking clue how many posts each of them had until you posted it below. If you had read my ISO and looked at my reads previously you would see that its pretty damn clear I didn't just choose the highest posters because I've had them in my scum or bottom of my null pool over most of the game. If you took the time to actually try to sort me and why my reads are what they are, you wouldn't come to this stupid top poster conclusion. I really don't think that you made an effort whereas town!Dva 100% would dig deeper to figure out whether my reads have evolved naturally or not.

Like your theory is that the entire scum team is competing to be the top powerscum railroader. It just seems really fucking weird that you would both look at this game and come up with a list like that because it seems hard to imagine multiple towns imagining their entire scum block as being the people saying shit.

Again, having a high post count in no way makes you powerscum, and lots and lots of players post a lot as scum to hide their general lack of actual content. Your entire premise here is based on a false premise that post count = how town you look. I'm also well aware that we could have lurker scum, I've mentioned it many times. Again, a closer examination of my posts would show you that I'm not locking my scumpool as the only possible scum, but the ones I currently suspect the most. Saying my reads are bad because they all can't be scum together in your opinion is pretty strawman-y. I think you and I both know that when people post scum pools theyre not saying THESE THREE ARE SCUM AND THEY ARE THE ONLY POSSIBLE SCUM. I don't think I ever implied that was the exact scum team or that I was locked into that read.

So yeah, frankly I think having a lynchpool of {Top Poster, Second Top Poster, Fourth Top Poster} strikes me as not very likely to come from a town POV. It feels like you want to case people who have said and done lots of things so you have more to work with and so you don't get accused of trying to push lurkers or so that you aren't coming off as opportunistic, which is to say that the readslist looks political and meant more to make you look like town than to find scum.

I think this is absurd. What strikes me as not coming from a town POV is looking at activity overview and going 'oh all the people in my scumpool post a lot, better remove one'. Like seriously what the fuck, would it be more townie of me to change who I read as scum because OMG ALL THREE OF THEM POST A LOT OH NO. This is potentially one of the most WIFOM-y points you could possibly make. To make a WIFOM-y counterpoint, I know how to fucking fake scum reads. I'm not just gonna pick the three most active posters, I'll pick people that I have legitimate reasons to scum read. You can read my scum games to back this up. I don't just choose three names on a non-tell related basis, thats piss-poor scum play and I think you know that and that there's no reason any scum worth his salt would be that lazy when deciding who they're gonna scum read.

I don't think you see my point which is that I don't think Oka was at all active or engaged when it came time to actually settle down and lynch someone.

The point about the scum game being similar to this game is really a corollary. I'm trying to ascertain why the fuck you don't care that the player you're reading as town based off activity and engagement completely disappeared with no explanation and no discernible attempt to sort options as D1 came to a close. This is what the question was and what I want you to answer.

You're being either purposefully daft or just evasive for some reason I can't understand. Just tell me how you can still townread him because he was engaged and active when he lurked through the entirety of us settling down on a lynch yesterday. Well, disappeared other then telling the town to just choose between two slots that flipped town, with 5 days left.

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Also want to know why Kokichi accepted the claim, that would be good.

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Oh.

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I dunno, I kinda want to lynch Kokichi since they haven't really done jack shit since their lie helped them escape lynching on D1.

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Honestly I think its possible that Joey and Kokichi are both scum and that Joey is worried about his potential replacement posting without reading or knowing about the mason claim and accidentally outing Kokichi. I think the detriment to wincon is much greater to scum than town if his replacement comes in not knowing about the mason claim though I'll acknowledge there is valid reason to come clean before replacing out as town also.

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I guess its just hard for me because I don't get the town motivation. I would never think its a good idea to support a claim I know to be fake just because I townread them, especially early D1 where your reads are almost always wrong. I don't get it.

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I also don't get claiming masons with someone as scum, though, unless you have reasonable confidence they will back it up. I don't see that confidence unless the person who needs to back it up is your partner. I've never seen this before in my time playing. I'm kind of baffled but the simplest explanation to me is that they're scum together.

[Sephiroth]

dibz hanzo

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Can't get to this tonight but will try to catch up on the last few pages tomorrow.

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Inactivity breeds more inactivity. Also I bit off more than I can chew in terms of playing too many games right now.

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Are we really not lynching Kokichi though?

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I guess I should reread today.

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If DDL is a town jk could that mean that he blocked the scum NK in A50? I mean if I'm A50 and scum I would definitely want to get an alibi if I saw that my kill didn't go through and claim gs prematurely as he does here

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I mean. I don't want to flake on this game. But I'm having a lot of trouble staying interested in it, and in playing mafia in general.

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I've gotten back into music production very heavily and its kind of pushed my other hobbies aside. I want to try and finish out this game rather than making skitter find a replacement then forcing said replacement to read through almost 100 pages. Lets do this, who are we lynching?

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Wait why would having taken those actions possibly relate to me again?

also please don't lynch me I'm the vig

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Shot bef N1 and failed to shoot last night because I haven't been paying attention to this game.

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So either scum holstered or got blocked N1

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or JK'ed or whatever.

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I didn't crumb. I generally don't crumb with something as powerful as full vig because I'd rather take my chances claiming than having them read by scum and getting myself NKed. I think my hesitance/resistance to claiming throughout the game is fairly telling. Bef was also the person I wanted lynched D1.

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Also, truthfully, i fully expected one of us to die and not such a suboptimal kill. So the vg/save theory makes sens imo, people should claim their actions if relevant

That seems like a dangerous move imo

This is the closest thing to a crumb I have. I really did not want to spill the beans and die

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I kind of think A50 makes sense as a partner for DDL based on his claim somewhat explaining A50s no result.

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A50, do you think scum!Seph gets drained out from motivation to play when he sees a scumflip and a wagon on other partner?

Just for the record I fucking love playing scum, and am much less likely to flake when I'm scum.

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Waiting to see what other people say.

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Just for the record I fucking love playing scum, and am much less likely to flake when I'm scum.

You're saying you disengage when you're an ungated vig? Because I find that hard to believe personally

Actually it makes me really anxious because I'm not good at finding scum.

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The leaps and bounds that your logic takes without hesitation is always fun to watch, A50.

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Town JK here.

JK A50 N1.
JK DVa N2.

Wait a minute. NO YOU'RE NOT. You're a TOWN JK. You kept saying I was scum fully knowing I was indeed blocked by you??? That's BS. And why would DrD through himself under the bus to save you? Why didn't HE vote you if you were Town at all??

Dude, the N1 kill was me killing BEF, and everyone acknowleged BEF makes no fucking sense as a scum kill. It literally makes PERFECT sense for him to scum read you after blocking you there.

[Sephiroth]

A50 is pretty transparently flailing scum here.

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I'm leaning towards shooting him tonight.

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I guess Kokichi is the better option though

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I mean I'll shoot whoever we decide on but imo the scum is clearly Kokichi/A50

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I'd much rather shoot one of those two if it were up to me.

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In fact maybe I should shoot someone not voted on, so I can actually confirm myself?

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Whats the better way?

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That seems like a non-optimal play, ngl.

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*youtube comments intensify*

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Really liking koki's undeserved sense of superiority right now.

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hello i was prodded whats happening yall

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I would shoot nako over gamma easily

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I shot A50 just for the record.

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Yay I guess. I played poorly but whatever.