Excalibur [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

That's what I'm saying. It's stubborn and likely to not look great, which is WIFOM. Yes, it's some third-level play, so it won't make sense, but that's

the point

.
Especially because the goal of such play is to make town go "Well it doesn't *benefit* scum!Auro to keep talking mechanics, so I'd think he would've stopped by then..."

I wish no one would lurk but I am having a lot of personal trouble getting into game so eh

I think Dunn's probably just wrong about Maria. I think Maria is town. I hope Maria got the sword.
I don't think lynching Lurker slots is especially fruitful, especially given scum could just be the active players.
We should try to encourage those lurkers to be more of a part of the game, if possible.

Really? Okay, well, I didn’t like Penguin telling Dunn to gladiate him, so I thought that was really odd.

[Nancy Drew 39]

When you actually read my posts.

Nice deflection

No, it’s true. You aren’t accurately reading them. I already told you that I’m not doing anything different here, than like 98% of my games and I also told you, you can verify that. Yet, it seems to have gone completely over your head. God only knows why.

ok I also said I don't rely on meta very much
I went and ISOed two old town games of yours anyway since you keep bringing it up and in both (Forgotten Hourglass and BoR) you were more aggressive declaring scumreads then here.

Town reads and suspicions but hard scumreads in early game? Yeah, well it’s a lot easier to do that in those types of setups. My head really isn’t in this game and Penguinpower took away my last pleasure in it. :/

I have on both days mentioned players I have Fos on, I just didn’t label them scumreads, so I don’t know why that is that much of a big deal to you.

because I feel like you are kinda holding back on any serious pushes to stay out of conflict

Going back to reading what I missed from D1 because I’m kinda out of it rn

now this is my kind of useless fight

Ew? Why post this

was a joke mostly
the fight that was happening at that point was good for game progress tho

This game died FAST. Tbh we could use just a lynch on one of the lurky slots for information and b/c one of those is probably scum anyways. And then there's a chance for Excalibur to get used.

Well, I can keep telling I’m not and it’s up to you, whether or not you believe me. *shrug*

At this point, I’m hardly invested in this game any way.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If a lurker lynch is what you want, and your positive town won't lynch you instead, just challenge a lurker then.

It would be hillarious if someone gladiated FA slot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The problem here is that in a game with a 4 man scum team, there are 3 MIA slots: FA slot, VeridianCleric, and Penguin. Veridian seemed very slightly townie but not enough to solidify, Ariane seemed slightly scummy but I would have liked more, and FA slot was straight null. For all we know there's 2 scum in there, and statistically it's very likely there's at least one.

It also creates a problem wherein it is difficult to find associatives when a full 20% of the list is just basically not here.

The risk with gladiating a full MIA slot is that if they were Merlin we would have no way for them to claim.

I'd almost rather we get a replacement and then have the replacement gladiate Penguin, I just don't know how long that will take given the vacuum of replacements lately.

I don’t think Merlin challenges Dunn to gladiate them, unless they’re very confident of winning. But yeah, mindmeld on your reads here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t think Merlin challenges Dunn to gladiate them, unless they’re very confident of winning

I think DVa meant that there's a chance an absent slot is Merlin (which wouldn't claim if gladiated cos absent), and so we might lose Merlin if we lunch an absent slot.

I understand what DVa meant, I’m just not sure it applies to Penguin.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Alright, Pengun’s had enough time to respond by now and Ariane was one of my strongest scumreads D1, so:

HURT: Penguin

Please refrain from using penguin gifs in games that I am in going forward.

Thx.

Maybe that's just my perception then.

Probably should just come back in the morning like I said.

I think I know how to beetlejuice this slot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

We both know you don't have the balls to gladiate me soooo

If you're not scumreading Dunnstral, what are you trying to achieve by this post?

I’m interpreting it as her doubting (or trying to make it look like - her doubting) - Dunn’s conviction on her being scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If a lurker lynch is what you want, and your positive town won't lynch you instead, just challenge a lurker then.

Why not have two scummy people challenge each other instead

Well, I can keep telling I’m not and it’s up to you, whether or not you believe me. *shrug*

At this point, I’m hardly invested in this game any way.

"I'm not invested in the game" and "you should just believe me" are pretty bad excuses and this should be obvious to you yea?

we'll see on Koki-lin

Not disputing it. *shrug*

I’m still town though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dunn lynch looking really good right now

I'm fine with auro being lynched

[Nancy Drew 39]

Can we kill 1 of Auro/dva now then?

Why?

I don’t understand the basis for this scumread.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@MariaR,
You're not scumreading me;
I'm not really scumreading DVa now;

Why do you want me killed?
What are *all* your reasons for scumreading DVa?
What happened to your read on Untrod Tripod? Also I think DVa asked you to explain it, have you?

Yeah, pretty sure DVa is town based on that MIA post.

[Nancy Drew 39]

None of you are doing anything.

What are you doing? Gladiating isn't the ONLY thing we can do, we can also, y'know, scumhunt, engage, make cases?

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

[SirCakez Gamma Emerald]
[Kokichi Oma Varsoon Elsa Jay]
[PenguinPower]
[Frozen Angel VeridianCleric]
[Auro Firebringer Nancy Drew 39]
[Dva Untrod Tripod]
Pedit: That's not the point. People are waiting for a gladiate period no matter if I made a case on every person in this game it wouldn't help because no one is doing shit.

The more you preach for a lurker lynch and yet you're not doing anything about it says a lot btw.

First game ever that Maria can’t read me. Having me lower than Penguin, is especially lolworthy..

I don’t want to yolo gladiate. I think that should be obvious rn. And you pushing Auro/DVa is bad.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I never said I would!
But dva's not gonna do it because she's scum and wants a lurker lynch but won't do anything!

I don’t get ur scum read on dva

What part of using hurt tags, to gladiate a majority consenus, does Maria not understand?

[Nancy Drew 39]

[SirCakez Gamma Emerald]
[Kokichi Oma Varsoon Elsa Jay]
[PenguinPower]
[Frozen Angel VeridianCleric]
[Auro Firebringer Nancy Drew 39]
[Dva Untrod Tripod]
Pedit: That's not the point. People are waiting for a gladiate period no matter if I made a case on every person in this game it wouldn't help because no one is doing shit.

Few questions here:

Do you disbelieve Koki? Confused why you'd put him at tier 2

Why is PP above FA/Veridian?

Why is Cakez a top townread? Why is Elsa?

Also, why is Nancy a leanscum?

Because I liked Dunn’s case on her, I suppose?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you disbelieve Koki? Confused why you'd put him at tier 2

Why is PP above FA/Veridian?

Why is Cakez a top townread? Why is Elsa?

Also, why is Nancy a leanscum?

1)If Kokichi is lying I expect a cc (and fire should've waited for that but it's honestly not a point vs scum him because town fire would do this first anything cause he's trigger happy anti town so ayyy when he dies it's a win win)
2) PP is here and doing something compared to the nothing reads.
3) Cakez play is the exact same as always town him has been. Elsa play around LLD makes me wanna tr it
4) Nancy went from 100% believing me to somehow siding to dunn with almost no reason from what I can tell.
pedit: and why am I scum.

No, I didn’t believe you. I still don’t understand why you wouldn’t go for the sword as town, because you could have been freaking Arthur!

And his case was good and I honestly don’t get why you don’t see that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

2) PP is here and doing something compared to the nothing reads.

being annoyed at Dunn is "doing something"?

Compared to a 0 poster? Yes

Dunn: Where is this guy?

Pengin: Why don’t you gladiate me?

Yep, I’m convinced.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Can we kill 1 of Auro/dva now then?

Yes. These 2 should gladiate

No.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Unfortunately for Maria and whoever the fuck the real Merlin is, I'm actually the one who pulled the sword.

VOTE: Maria

Was hoping you could somehow survive 2 gladiates in a row, gal. A lie is a lie, though, and you gotta perish for it.

I believe you.

VOTE: Maria

Maria’s swordclaim makes 0 sense with her EOD 1 posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually factually
If we lynch Maria and Maria flips town with Sword
Then Elsa is lying and probably scum.
Right?

True

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why would that cause you to unvote.

I thought Elsa might be lying. She had everyone convinced that she was doc in Overkill 1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: fire

I've made my choice

Why vote Fire over a no lynch?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yea that was a weird post by nancy

Not if you ISO Elsa in Overkill 1. I’m jealous of DVa. I would prefer to be shot but I don’t want to gamethrow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This looks like Nancy's town game to me

Disinterested town game. I hope scum NKs me tonight.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: No Lynch

I think Fire is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria doesn't have the sword, btw. But, she's town.

There’s only 2 possible ways you could know that for sure and only 1 if she’s town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Unfortunately for Maria and whoever the fuck the real Merlin is, I'm actually the one who pulled the sword.

VOTE: Maria

Was hoping you could somehow survive 2 gladiates in a row, gal. A lie is a lie, though, and you gotta perish for it.

Yeah Fire it’s now or never, come clean or die.

What does this post have to do with Fire?

[Nancy Drew 39]

also Dva i kind of feel this defense of me is weird.
and makes me think ur trying to save me from a mislynch, but don't bother.
if ur scum just join in on it.

no one will blame u for it.

I mean I like you and I also think you're town here and this game was already kinda dragging so if we're forced to mislynch you my desire to complete this game is going to tank a bit

+1

If Fire flips town like I expect, I either want scum to NK me or for someone to do a mercy gladiate on me. Meh.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not changing my vote, I am not lynching someone I feel confident, is flipping town. If anyone is seriously doubting Fire is town here, just read through his interactions with LLD and Maria D1, no freaking way, does that ever come from scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you have to get unilateral consensus i am town for this.
i say don't bother.

I DGAF! I refuse to vote a strong townread. I would rather get mislynched myself then ever do that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you guys all think we should nolynch today, and treat fire as town?

Yes, because he is 99.999% flipping town here and if we continue to yolo gladiate and we have no vig to counteract this, town will just cannabalize itself and hand scum a free win.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I do want to say now I am wary of Fire after he bamboozled me in The Fifth Fortnight and Witches Ball.
all the claimers making me want death. I'm worried about the nightmare scenario where both maria and elsa are town and elsa is just being an idiot. I used to think stuff like that could never happen but worse things have happened to me since. I don't think Elsa is scum here.
I really fucking hate games like this that turn into fakeclaim fuckfests UGH. I really don't believe anybody.

TBH now I think flipping either Maria or Fire would be hella useful. I'd vote both if I could. But now I'm second-guessing myself aaaaa. but fire is also good enough to use this AtE here as scum.
why couldn't we lynch a lurker instead poo

Honestly I feel really out of this game right now. i haven't been this disengaged in ages.
I still dislike nancy but that's obviously a fight for another day.

I’m fine with you not liking me. Both Maria and Fire are town, so if you don’t want scum to win, be a good townie and vote no lynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy: IF MariaR can be scum, that means Dunn is scum.
If she's lunched, flipping town, we make UT + a scumread slot go for the sword. The NK is going to be gated to UT, thus letting Merlin live to D3 and also have a confscum or IC too.

I don’t think she’s scum anymore because she wanted to shoot DVa (mistakenly), because she thought she might be Arthur but the fact is that Dunn set Fire up. I still think Dunn is town though.

Maria is tr Fire and Dunn is good with no lynching.

But anyone who is insistent on pushing through this mislynch, is scumclaiming as far as I’m concerned.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is why I don’t want to be in this game, because the mechanics are hopelessly scumsided and the only chance town really has, is for everyone to rigorously ashere to the majority hurt tag ideas, which doesn’t seem to be happening and if Dunn is telling the truth here, then we essentially have a useless, and vigless MIA Arthur. So, scum can pretty much do jack and town will just sooner or later canabalize itself and hand them the win.

[Nancy Drew 39]

At the same time, I think a "real" Merlin would've called out Dunn's claim, so Dunn is definitely Merlin. Meh

Can you explain a bit more about the Firebringer read? You mentioned D1 interactions, which ones?

...did you not see me claim?

Do you believe Maria has the sword?

Fire is obvtown, so mislynching him is stupid.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is why I don’t want to be in this game, because the mechanics are hopelessly scumsided and the only chance town really has, is for everyone to rigorously ashere to the majority hurt tag ideas, which doesn’t seem to be happening and if Dunn is telling the truth here, then we essentially have a useless, and vigless MIA Arthur. So, scum can pretty much do jack and town will just sooner or later canabalize itself and hand them the win.

Yeah it's wild
Like if we just did what I suggested
We'd be fine.
But no one listen to Varsoon
That's a bad idea!

What is?

If UT is really Arthur, then we’re fucked.

Because it does town no good for Maria to suicide vig for MIA Arthur to get the sword.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh and Varsoon looks town too, but wary of that read.

You forgot the Penguin. I fail to see anything townie about him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I know Maria has the sword, it's not a matter of belief.

Then we have to vote no lynch. Because no way if Fire scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh and Varsoon looks town too, but wary of that read.

You forgot the Penguin. I fail to see anything townie about him.

He's at the bottom of my list.

Oh right, I missed that. Someone needs to gladiate that tomorrow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to hurt the slot but I wanted to see what Penguin would say on his own

but I kinda feel like he's just going to pop in, say something like "catching up" and then we won't hear from him for two more days

so I guess why not

HURT: Penguin

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Kokichi is more definite?

He definitely could be scum here but he read Maria as town, which puts him a leg up over the bird but both seems scummy to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

penguinpower is town
penguins don't have the ability to join the mafia, they aren't gangsters.

Penguin, ignore this post.

Okay, last one.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Kokichi is more definite?

He definitely could be scum here but he read Maria as town, which puts him a leg up over the bird but both seems scummy to me.

Why on Earth would he do this if he's not Merlin if Maria is town though?!

???

I don’t understand who you’re talking about. I don’t believe Kokichi is Merlin.

[Nancy Drew 39]

deadline is in two days, so i suppose i'll read sooner than soonish.
unless someone has a major argument for Fire being town i'll lynch that, really. unless there's some mechanical reason that makes no-lynching preferable to flipping someone who could go either way*.

*note: of course, i haven't read yet.
speaking of, hi Fire!
and everyone else too. :>

pedit: hi Varsoon!
rarely yes, but i always enjoy when it happens.

Yes, Fire is almost certainly flipping town here. Read the interactions between him and LLD and him and Maria D1, and tell me if that ever comes from scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If UT is really Arthur, then we’re fucked.

hey now why do you say that

also I'm not MIA you jerk

You haven’t been participating all that much and I’d tone it down with the insults if I were you. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh NVM. Claimed Merlin cos he was gonna be the lunch candidate.

I hardclaim Merlin. Anyone who doesnt retract after this post. needs to be shot @person with the sword.

Arthur has the sword btw.

Well, town may not be totally fucked in that case.

But why are so many people insisting Maria has it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

No clue. I think they think I was softing she has it. And then claimed Merlin to try and 'save' me.

Well Maria seemed to think she might have it or be unware of not being Arthur, or else why would she offer to attempt ti vig tonight?

This game ought to be renamed, “Schrodinger’s sword”.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lynch fire.

Fire is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh NVM. Claimed Merlin cos he was gonna be the lunch candidate.

I hardclaim Merlin. Anyone who doesnt retract after this post. needs to be shot @person with the sword.

Arthur has the sword btw.

At this point I’m ready to VOTE: no lynch and let this resolve at night
Anyone else agree?

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ok. Shoot gamma @ Arthur

Are you just trolling us now?

Directing Arthur to shoot at anyone who disagrees with you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Firebringer
Meh

Nooo, mislynching town hands scum the win.

Fire is 99.999% flipping town. I’m not wrong here. Read the interactions between Fire and LLD and Fire and Maria. There is no way that ever comes from scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

no lyching solves nothing and just has the same issues going into tomorrow, only change is that i'm dead. anyone asking for a nl is scum or not playing optimally. Fire still has a chance to flip scum.

How is mislynching ever playing optimally? Town will just continue to cannabalize itself until scum wins.

[Nancy Drew 39]

For those of you don’t understand my hard townread on Fire, here is the simple answer.


Fire is either:

A) The reincarnation of Lawrence Olivier


or


B) Town


Employ the use of Occams Razor to figure out which one is more likely.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Firebringer himself doesn't want to play the game, right? >.>
Also well, shouldn't you be voting MariaR then? I think Kokichi did say she doesn't have the sword?

So that makes her scum only if she is lying about claiming it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Firebringer himself doesn't want to play the game, right? >.>
Also well, shouldn't you be voting MariaR then? I think Kokichi did say she doesn't have the sword?

So that makes her scum only if she is lying about claiming it.

And you don't know if she lied or not, therefore unless you're 99.9% townreading her too, I think your vote should be there?

Why are you voting for Fire, since I’m telling you that he has a 99.999% chance of flipping town? How are you or anyone else down with getting townie blood on your hands?

[Nancy Drew 39]

fuck i actually think lld might be town and i have to seriously go through my read on maria.
>_>

i am not sure either of u are scum.
also not sure why ur in this hole where ur so sure of ur read.

its posts like that irk me but also don't really make me think ur scum.

i think i unconvinced myself on u being scum maria.
aflkdjlkfajl

i hate u

@Auro

[Nancy Drew 39]

I know Maria has the sword, it's not a matter of belief.

She doesnt have the sword. I'm Merlin. I know who does.

By the way, person with sword dont shoot maria, shes prob town.

Kokichi says Maria doesn't have the sword.

Maria would never use the ATE of threatening to blacklist someone if she was scum (if so I would lose a lot of respect for her) unless RC is playing on her account. Lol

If it makes you feel better I was faking it.

Kokichi seemed to be majorly TRing Maria off that AtE, Maria did admit it was fake.

@Nancy: Why are you townreading Maria? Why aren't you voting her, then?

Why are you trying to get me to vote Maria?

You seem to be making a case on her but voting Fire?

And why are you taking everything that Kokichi says as fact? He’s admitted to fakeclaiming before but you’re just taking everything he says as gospel? Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

A) The reincarnation of Lawrence Olivier

who dat?

A famous celebrated Hollywood actor.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy could be scum. Hmmm.

Good luck with that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you think scum-Nancy would be this outspoken about Fire flipping town?

Possibly, if I actually were scum here but I’m not.

If he's town, do you see her trying to get towncred like this?

I’m freaking trying to stop a mislynch. How tf do I get towncred for that?

If he's scum, do you think town Nancy would defend this hard?

Why would I ever

knowingly

defend scum as town? Is this even a serious question?

And you didn’t ask this but I would never defend a buddy this hard as scum, unless I was Martyr and/or my survival literally depended on it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Fire is prob town but this lynch needs to happen

. And yea I could see Nancy doing that as scum

Why the fuck do we NEED to lynch “probable” town? Why are you scumsiding?

And , you’re now the authority on what I would do or not do as scum. Based on?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If we lynch Maria the sword can be claimed tonight, so if we accept that Fire is a mislynch, and Maria is not Arthur and plans to suicide anyway, then the mechnically superior option is to lynch her and let someone else claim the sword tonight. If town refuses to no lynch, and Fire is town, we should lynch Maria. Otherwise all we're doing is wasting a cycle with the sword.

The REAL Merlin needs to confirm whether or not Maria is Arthur.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also advocating to lynch the person with the sword is not a good plan

Agreed.

Because the sword holder is obviously town.

But if Maria doesn’t have it, then we need to confirm the likelihood of her claim. - that is to determine if she is telling the truth about that or not.

[Nancy Drew 39]

"Fire is bad" -- Maria

"Also I fakedclaimed and got Dunn to fakeclaim on my behalf thus outing the entire power structure of the town" -- also Maria

Link?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ok Maria has the sword. I wanted to see what everyone's reactions would be. Lynch fire

It’s beyond game throwing to lynch obvtown. Staph it!

You said yourself he was “probably” town, so how tf does it help town to mislynch?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ok Maria has the sword. I wanted to see what everyone's reactions would be. Lynch fire

How are we to know, what if anything you’re saying is true here? You keep contradicting yourself.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Firebringer
No one has seriously claimed that Fire was anything important so I’m doing this because no one thinks critically here

But he’s town. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

No one has seriously claimed that Fire was anything important so I’m doing this because no one thinks critically here

vs. Maria who suddenly everyone wants to fakeclaim to protect?

Do you think Fire is scum or are you just compromising on a 'safe mislynch'?

Yeah, I don’t get how mislynching Fire helps town. I obviously get how it is good for scum obviously.

And Varsoon, please trust me on this. Fire is almost certainly flipping town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Quick lynch fire. This day needs to end

[Nancy Drew 39]

No one has seriously claimed that Fire was anything important so I’m doing this because no one thinks critically here

vs. Maria who suddenly everyone wants to fakeclaim to protect?

Do you think Fire is scum or are you just compromising on a 'safe mislynch'?

I was voting no lynch but no one wants the ACTUALLY safer option so I’m taking to damage control option

Vote, no lynch. Fire is 99.999% flipping town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I was voting no lynch but no one wants the ACTUALLY safer option so I’m taking to damage control option

Damage control is lynching Maria

Lynch Fire + Maria suicides = 2 dead town, sword unusable another day

Lynch maria = 1 dead town, sword claimed tonight, we get another inno tomorrow and can actually confirm the merlin claim

I’m hard scumreading Kokichi anyway. I still prefer a no lynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not retracting that I have the sword so I don't know where Dva got the whole 'I fake claimed' part.

Is this a hard claim then?

If so, doubling/tripling down on people voting to

no lynch

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dont argue with dva. Shes obv scum

You’re trying to mislynch obvtown but okay.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Kokichi is getting lynched tomorrow, and then Dunn maybe the day after that, but today we're lynching Maria

Are you or are you not currently scumreading Maria?

and Dunn?

And yeah, Kokichi is obvscum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Kokichi is getting lynched tomorrow, and then Dunn maybe the day after that, but today we're lynching Maria

Good luck with lynching Merlin.

IF

you’re Merlin, you mean but I think your slot is self-resolving in either case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Regardless of how many people are fake claiming Dva I have the sword that's just fact.

If true and if you’re town here, vote no lynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So people were fake claiming to protect her, but she also has the sword and is confirmed town, from your point of view

What are you even arguing, you brought up the fake claim thing like it was a reason to lynch her

Because it is.

Dunn.

Keep up.

Scenario 1: She has the sword. OK, too bad she didn't claim earlier, but Fire is town, so mislynching her let's someone else get the sword tonight. Our goal as town is to confirm as many people as possible and to form a strong townblock. Mislynching town only for another town to suicide with the sword is giving scum MULTIPLE free kills. Mislynching fire + Maria suicide + scum nightkill = 3 dead town; mislynching Maria + scum nightkill =2 dead town.

Scenario 2: She does not have the sword. She forced a counter-claim, and you and Kokichi both tried to hard defend her based on a fakeclaim. In this scenario, she is scum and should be lynched; if she is town, she should have grabbed the sword last night.

Now, we could go back to no lynch, or we could lynch Maria, but lynching Fire is awful play here if people are townreading him.

I still think no lynch is the most pro-town option but yeah, lynching Fire is beyond dumb.

I think if this is a TvT, we should always no lynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Kokichi is getting lynched tomorrow, and then Dunn maybe the day after that, but today we're lynching Maria

Good luck with lynching Merlin.

even if you are merlin you have told dozens of lies. you have lost credibility man.
i don't get how you don't see that.

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

i was thinking this before but auroro is probably scum here.

If he votes no lynch, he’s probably town. He promised to vote no lynch, after I made my case, so we’ll see. Him trying to get me to vote Maria was definitely weird though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and i don't think kokichi is town here.
he argues for having a lynch to play at an optimal way even though he townreads me, and nothing else he has done has been optimal.

so if you believe in optimal play, why just in this scenario? Why do you believe in playing optimal for lynching people you townread (which isn't optimal but that is a whole other argument). And believe in telling a billion lies and think that is optimal?

I am a believer in not playing optimally because I think that makes the game ridiculously boring and unfun. But even I can see when someone says optimal play and isn't playing in that way is either A) putting on a face or B) inconsistent

And I think Kokichi should get lynched because then I can figure what is real or not out.

I have no idea wtf Kokichi is in this game but I legit have never seen him act this scummy since Necromancer.

I’m still scratching my head as to why Varsoon asked him to read me here. *head exploding*

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria, you're getting frustrated because you want to lynch Fire for completely shitty reasons and I am calling you out on it. Does that make me scum? Or are you angry because your reasons for wanting to lynch Fire are not as pro-town as you want to believe?

You haven't scum-cased Fire at all, you are in a weird situation but you're not thinking objectively about that situation. If you have the sword, then openly advocating to mislynch town just because they make decisions *based on you and Dunn manipulating them* is extremely anti-town and in that case, given your "I won't use the sword until I mislynch even MORE town" attitude, then yeah, you should be lynched, because you are having a bad game and are acting like a liability. If you and Dunn want to fuck with the town and play 4D chess then we have to eliminate one of the two of you so we can the sword to someone who won't turn this thread into an unreadable mess.

You're also using a bunch of AtE to drive your shit wagon on Fire and think that town "won't no lynch" so you default to scum reading me when my position is that *if we are not no lynching, then you should be the lynch* WHICH IS THE TRUTH. NO ONE has refuted my point on this that one mislynch and the sword being used tonight is better than a pure mislynch with the owner of the sword totally outed.

Vote no lynch or self-vote. Unless you're scumreading Fire, you should do one of those two things. Pushing a lynch on someone that bought into you and Dunn manipulating them *to think you were scum* is awful.

+1

Sorry Maria, I have to agree with this, voting Fire isn’t protown.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you have told dozens of lies

Me? Lie? Never.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because Merlin says so.

Now vote fire

Bullshit.
I am Merlin. Firebringer is Arthur.
Lynch MariaR.

VOTE:MariaR

Vote:Unvote

Yeah I am not Merlin.
I think Dunnstral is the real Merlin.
This means that Arthur and Merlin will die while MariaR will be kept for us as Bulletproof IC - that should be good enough.
I think we should probably lynch Firebringer now, because a NoLynch just reduces the number of mislynches avaliable by one in this situation.

Am I wrong?

This is probably what he's talking about

But he still is wrong.

I’m not sure who Merlin is but I’m having real trouble believing it’s Kokichi.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lynch it with fire

You could try a little harder to dial down the open wolfing, jes’ saying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

We're either lynching fire or no lynching

Fire is town, so no lynching. Kokichi is trying to hardpush Fire mislynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria, you're getting frustrated because you want to lynch Fire for completely shitty reasons and I am calling you out on it. Does that make me scum? Or are you angry because your reasons for wanting to lynch Fire are not as pro-town as you want to believe?

If we no lynch fire is just going to duel me again. I am conf town so you're basically letting fire control who he does. The reason fire is getting lynched is because he's gonna be anti town the whole time. This lynch isn't about lynching scum because I'm pretty sure it's clear both of us are town here. It's about getting rid of fire who is being anti town right now. I listed my reasons for wanting fire lynched why do you want me lynched?
1) Because I have the sword?
2) Because you think I could be scum and you can't read me?
What is your logic for lynching me here.

You haven't scum-cased Fire at all, you are in a weird situation but you're not thinking objectively about that situation. If you have the sword, then openly advocating to mislynch town just because they make decisions *based on you and Dunn manipulating them* is extremely anti-town and in that case, given your "I won't use the sword until I mislynch even MORE town" attitude, then yeah, you should be lynched, because you are having a bad game and are acting like a liability. If you and Dunn want to fuck with the town and play 4D chess then we have to eliminate one of the two of you so we can the sword to someone who won't turn this thread into an unreadable mess.

Stop putting me together with Dunn. I have no idea what dunn is doing and I have no control of what he's doing. I have not 'fucked with the town' or played chess at all. I wifom'd the day before about going for the sword or not. If you want to argue that was the wrong play then we can argue about that. That is the only type of chess I played. I claimed the sword and I still have the sword so I have no idea what you're talking about with me being anti town. You haven't proven you're town. I am saying I will be the IC for town until I think we need to cop more people and I want you dead because I think your play is scummy. Yes I haven't scum cased fire because I don't think he's scum

You're also using a bunch of AtE to drive your shit wagon on Fire and think that town "won't no lynch" so you default to scum reading me when my position is that *if we are not no lynching, then you should be the lynch* WHICH IS THE TRUTH. NO ONE has refuted my point on this that one mislynch and the sword being used tonight is better than a pure mislynch with the owner of the sword totally outed.

The only ate I have used is the blacklist part and while that is fair I have not ate'd anywhere else. I'm town the wagon on me is shit period you're wanting to lynch an IC is dumb period. Why should I be the lynch? Because I have the sword? That's just dumb. What are you gonna after? Lynch the next person who has the sword.

Vote no lynch or self-vote. Unless you're scumreading Fire, you should do one of those two things. Pushing a lynch on someone that bought into you and Dunn manipulating them *to think you were scum* is awful.

Stop acting like you know the correct play when you don't. Fire will hold this game hostage hell he even admitted to doing so he needs to go so we can lynch the legit scum.

When did he do that? Link or quote, please.

[Nancy Drew 39]

My running theory is dunnstral is town has the sword and is hard defending maria because he truly misguided believes she is town.

And usually i would ask dunny to come out and completely tell me the truth regarding this, but I can't rely on what he says.

This is very frustrating.

Yeah, I’m townreading Dunn too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What is your logic for lynching me here.

I can't believe you're asking this because I think it couldn't be more obvious I want a no lynch.

I'm voting you because you refuse to commit to a no lynch, which I think you, as town, should do. If you have Excalibur you should stop playing like scum.

If scum want to present Fire as the low hanging fruit that they can safely mislynch here then I want to make it clear that the mechanically optimal lynch is NOT in fact fire, it is you. If scum are going to mislynch Fire here I want them to work for it.

But what we should actually do here is no lynch because FireVMaria couldn't be more obvious TvT. I would much sooner believe I'm wrong on you and that Elsa or someone actually has the sword and you really did fakeclaim, but I doubt it.

If we're lynching in a TvT where one has the sword, we should lynch the person with the sword. That way we avoid the mislynch on the other person, get to have someone else claim the sword, which either makes the sword owner unknown to scum or confirms Merlin tomorrow.

If we're lynching where someone has fakeclaimed having the sword, we should lynch the person fakeclaiming having the sword.

So, if I'm right, we should no lynch. If I'm wrong, we should lynch you.

No lynch is 100% the most protown option and the arguments to mislynch Fire, make 0 sense and only help scum’s wincon, so why is ANYONE who’s actually TOWN in this game, ever want to do that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would nl if I didn't think fire would just insta duel me again giving scum a free nk.

I think fire wants me out of the game for a combined number of reasons so he'll dual me again if we nl. So I'm lynching him to get rid of that. I don't know how more painfully clear I have to make this

@Fire, would you promise not to gladiate Maria tomorrow?

We have way better options.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy or DVa should be shot. Anything either of you want to say before Arthur shoots you?

I’m town, good job here Sherlock.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy is really towny...

I’m not entirely sure if Kokichi is scum or just blind. It’s actually hard to tell atm.

And I think DVa is probably also town. I really think she wants a no lynch and is just pushing Maria to vote for that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy or DVa should be shot. Anything either of you want to say before Arthur shoots you?

I’m town, good job here Sherlock.

And I'm town, good job here Nancy Drew

You’re town but you want Arthur to shoot me? Right.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and i don't think kokichi is town here.
he argues for having a lynch to play at an optimal way even though he townreads me, and nothing else he has done has been optimal.

so if you believe in optimal play, why just in this scenario? Why do you believe in playing optimal for lynching people you townread (which isn't optimal but that is a whole other argument). And believe in telling a billion lies and think that is optimal?

I am a believer in not playing optimally because I think that makes the game ridiculously boring and unfun. But even I can see when someone says optimal play and isn't playing in that way is either A) putting on a face or B) inconsistent

And I think Kokichi should get lynched because then I can figure what is real or not out.

I have no idea wtf Kokichi is in this game but I legit have never seen him act this scummy since Necromancer.

I’m still scratching my head as to why Varsoon asked him to read me here. *head exploding*

You townread me in necro and I was scum

That was like my 2nd game on here and the first game I’d ever played with you. The only scum I correctly identified in that game was Brass, due to scum lolhandling the harmless zombie mechanic.

So Varsoon is very very mistaken to make reads on me from that game on literally ANYTHING.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You're using the fake people have fake claimed I have the sword to take away credit when no one has outright said
'no maria doesn't have the sword I have the sword'
The only person to do that is Elsa who has been proven false.
People can fake claim whatever they want and retract it later as a result. Fake claims shouldn't discredit from serious claims.

Mfw you ignore the legitimate one. Then again, your also still claiming to have it.

Laugh now. You wont laugh when my Arthur minion shoots you

So is my plan to shoot Nancy or...? Seems fine to me.

Great, I want out of this stupid game anyway. (no offense FG. <3).

And you’re not freaking Arthur.

I’ll be having fun in dead chat mocking the REAL Arthur, if they are that blind.

[Nancy Drew 39]

One is Wrong. One is Wise.
Choosing poorly will be your demise.

Whether Maria lives or Maria dies,
You will be in for a surprise.

Her death will solve the crime,
But we must leave it for another time.

Firebringer is not apart of this suspicion.
Therefore we require his deletion.

Leave Pandora's box untouched,
Varsoon and Kokichi have said so much.

VOTE: Firebringer

The riddle will be solved when I shoot Nancy tonight. Stay tuned.

If you’re not scum here or lying, prepare to be embarrassed.

Thanks for saving me from replacing out. I owe you one, evenwhile I laugh at you, in the dead chat.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i need a translator for jay now.

He wants to fuck town - not once but twice, Good times.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If Jay's alive D3, I think he'd be a good lunch

If I die, powerlynch Elsa.

[Nancy Drew 39]

HURT: Elsa Jay

[Nancy Drew 39]

"One of me, Maria is lying. Her flip will tell us who. Firebringer is not part of this tho, so I want him killed."

I think this is scum!Jay screwing around after I pointed out the logical inconsistency.

Well obviously, Maria and Fire can’t both be flipped today.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And IIRC, amidst all the fakeclaims, *no one* said Jay had the sword -- this means Jay's claim is pretty probably fake, which means he's scum.

*Ignored Varsoon vehemently saying I'm Auther and Kokichi's claim matching up with mine*

*Somebody's aiming for a bad time*

Varsoon also said MariaR had the sword.
So either Merlin!Varsoon is lying, or Varsoon isn't Merlin FYPOV.
Which is it?

ISO Elsa in Overkill 1, he had us all 100% convinced he was doc. I’d trust Varsoon over Elsa any day.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well arent you gonna look horrible when you die from doing gladitorial combat.

Lady challenged. Lady died. Fire challenged. Looks like fire dies.

Let's make it 3/3, fiendish knight. On the honor of the kingdom, I shall vanquish you.

No. because you will lose because I’m town and if I die, you will get blamed for it, genius.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What I'm asking is if town Nancy has a history of defending other players this hard.

Elsa is Arthur and Maria has the sword, I've already been over this shit.
Lynch Fire.

But Fire is town. Why not no lynch?

Anyway, glad to know Elsa is once again lying here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well arent you gonna look horrible when you die from doing gladitorial combat.

Lady challenged. Lady died. Fire challenged. Looks like fire dies.

Let's make it 3/3, fiendish knight. On the honor of the kingdom, I shall vanquish you.

No. because you will lose because I’m town and if I die, you will get blamed for it, genius.

Getting blamed for there being a second nightkill? I guess there are worse things to be blamed for.

If Maria has the sword and I die, you do the math.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well arent you gonna look horrible when you die from doing gladitorial combat.

Lady challenged. Lady died. Fire challenged. Looks like fire dies.

Let's make it 3/3, fiendish knight. On the honor of the kingdom, I shall vanquish you.

No one

who challenges you is going to die

after I flip

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

But I got the sword, Nancy. We've been over this.

Varsoon says otherwise.

I am 100% flipping town. But thanks for preventing me the need to replace out. So, you’ll have twoffer to your credit then. Mislynch one townie and vig the other. Please tell me your brilliant scumhunting strategy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mfw I point that out but she says the same thing over again.

Apparently it’s taking a lot longer for it to sink in in Elsa’s case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy ur on repeat again

But you’re right, I’m done with this game anyhow. I was planning to replace out after you got mislynched, so Elsa is doing me a huge favour because unlike replacing out, there won’t be any negative consequences for me, personally. \o/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mfw I unironically have to ironically repeat myself that Nancy is repeating herself.

I really don’t care, I’m just amazed at the sheer level of denseness in your reads, it’s mindblowing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Who says ive even made a read this game? You're assuming to much.

One is Wrong. One is Wise.
Choosing poorly will be your demise.

Whether Maria lives or Maria dies,
You will be in for a surprise.

Her death will solve the crime,
But we must leave it for another time.

Firebringer is not apart of this suspicion.
Therefore we require his deletion.

Leave Pandora's box untouched,
Varsoon and Kokichi have said so much.

VOTE: Firebringer

The riddle will be solved when I shoot Nancy tonight. Stay tuned.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You think Maria's lying about having the sword?

yes

Do you think Merlin hasn't claimed yet?
If one of the Merlin claims so far is true, which one can it be?

i don't know and don't care at this point.

Nancy, you're 99.99% towning this?

I already told you why. You can’t easily fake those D1 LLD/Maria interactions as scum but the irony is that Elsa still wants me dead, even after Fire flips green. How insane is that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Me shooting you doesnt correlate to it being a read. I'm just following orders on that one so I dont fuck over town.

You can’t think for yourself? Well who’s the brulliant scumhunting god, giving you “orders” because they will be the

laughingstock

WOAT of this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Me shooting you doesnt correlate to it being a read. I'm just following orders on that one so I dont fuck over town.

You can’t think for yourself? Well who’s the brilliant scumhunting god, giving you “orders” because they will be the

laughingstock

WOAT of this game.

Along with you, for blindly going along with it.

2 WOATs for the price of 1? For everything else, there’s MasterCard.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i have a hard time believing u follow anyones orders.

i might have to just post this:


any time i read a Jay post.

I actually really like Elsa when he actually posts things that make even a modicum of sense. Not in this game, obviously.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Me shooting you doesnt correlate to it being a read. I'm just following orders on that one so I dont fuck over town.

You can’t think for yourself? Well who’s the brilliant scumhunting god, giving you “orders” because they will be the

laughingstock

WOAT of this game.

Along with you, for blindly going along with it.

2 WOATs for the price of 1? For everything else, there’s MasterCard.

i approve this meme.

Someone should put that in their sig.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i have a hard time believing u follow anyones orders.

I can be a team player sometimes.

Me shooting you doesnt correlate to it being a read. I'm just following orders on that one so I dont fuck over town.

You can’t think for yourself? Well who’s the brulliant scumhunting god, giving you “orders” because they will be the

laughingstock

WOAT of this game.

Auther n2 aka Kokichi. He can change his mind and tell me to shoot elsawhere if he's changed anything. But you want to leave anyway, so I'll probably still shoot you anyway.

And Nancy isn't scum

That’s why Kokichi and Elsa apparently want to gamethrow. If they didn’t, they could actually try to kill scum and let scum NK me instead.

Actually, they’ll be gamethrowing not just once but twice. Lynch town/vig town - somewhere there’s a Hallmark card for that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Does that have any way of stopping me from stabbing her in the face, Dunn?

Whether she be town or scum

, a sword to the face is stop a sword to the face.

Whether? Do you even care what my alignment actually is? Like you’re seriously embarrassing yourself here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because that defeats the purpose of all this mayhem I'm causing if I stab her.

My chaos has reason behind it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Does that have any way of stopping me from stabbing her in the face, Dunn?

Whether she be town or scum

, a sword to the face is stop a sword to the face.

Whether? Do you even care what my alignment actually is? Like you’re seriously embarrassing yourself here.

Why did you think I did? I literally point blank said earlier I wanted someone elsa to challenge Lady and she challenged someone anyway. I didn't really townread or scumread her, but it got results.

I'm just proving I'm the vigi and you said yourself you want to die. I dont see the problem here.

The problem is you’d be gamethrowing because I’m not scum here. Why don’t you try to figure out who scum actually is, and shoot there? Scum will for certainly kill me tonight or tomorrow night after Fire flips but we haven’t hit a single scum yet? Why wouldn’t you want to be town hero and be the first?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you want to make it your final request, you can consult with Kokichi-Sama and tell him to tell me to shoot Auro instead of Nancy if you want, Fire.

When did either of you get so bad at this game?

[Nancy Drew 39]

id rather shoot myself than consult kokichi on anything except for how bad he is and how to get better

He usually plays really well in fact. He was the GOAT in a recent game I was in. I honestly don’t know why he wants to gamethrow here but Elsa continuing to act like he doesn’t have a mind of his own, makes me want to trade places with Fire.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Its not gamethrowing if I blame Kokichi for it.

These memes are making it all worth it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Elsa Jay
If you're gonna shoot between Nancy and me, please shoot me
Tell me if you're considering that though, I'll make a few ending posts that I hope would be even slightly useful to town once I'm dead.

Noooooo, I’d rather be water boarded and disembowled than have to read another Elsa post in this game. You take that back, meanie.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I got Maria sceduled for day 4, and I'm reserving day 3 for whatever happens that day.

Will day 5 suffice, Auro?

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

Off to bed the Queen goes. Probably will check in tommorow. But Fire Will probs be dead, so...

See you day 3 I guess.

Not if you’re shooting me, you won’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why nk15

I went over this - not only are they a hard lurk slot, they came into the game with way too much information then never explained why, then came in and voted no lynch

What about Penguin? I still think Ariane could be scum and Penguin has done nothing to change my mind on that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm ready to dump either NK or Penguin

I wish there was a mechanic to force 2 players to gladiate each other.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What about Penguin? I still think Ariane could be scum and Penguin has done nothing to change my mind on that.

I haven't done anything. I went v/la almost immediately after replacing in, which ended up being until end of day.

Why was Ariane scum?

She had like 5 posts and did a hurt for silly reasons. It read LAMISTY to me and you haven’t done anything particularly townie, since you took over that slot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I repeat: I haven't done anything. That's a pretty weak reason for a "strong scum read."

So, basically, your entire read on my slot is activity based.

That is a misrep. I already said, I thought Ariane was scummy. THEN I said, that you hadn’t done anything to change my mind on that.

So, I am not scumreading you based on “inactivity”. I obviously am not townreading for that on top of a slot that pinged me, before you even replaced in.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why was DVa the NK and not Kokichi/Varsoon? O.o
Agree with Nancy and SirCakez, Ariane's case was pretty LAMIST.

Maria wrongly scumread DVa and I guess scum thought Elsa was Arthur. With Maria, confirmed as Arthur, Merlin - is it Kokichi? - losing track of all of the claims - would have obviously been viewed as more of a threat.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why would scum try to kill Elsa if they thought she was Arthur unless they thought she didn’t have the sword?
Contrary to most time I ask this question, I think Nancy is right, but there’s a lot more to be mined from this.

I figured Kokichi was right and was covering for him.
Since so many people had already claimed Merlin, I was hoping to smokescreen it so our Merlin wouldn't get shot.

I also figured that Kokichi was not lying and I did not want Maria to take the chance at the shot regardless, which is why I said that Elsa was Arthur

.
Was hoping the scum kill would have just been on me or Elsa and that my smokescreen would pay off.
Guess it kinda did anyway since now we've got 2 confirmed town alive and kicking.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Varsoon’s claim was that Elsa was Arthur and MariaR had the sword, right?

You're full of shit.
I'm Merlin.
Elsa Jay is Arthur.
Maria R has the sword.

I faked hard at grabbing the sword N1 to throw scum off my scent and not kill me N1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I repeat: I haven't done anything. That's a pretty weak reason for a "strong scum read."

So, basically, your entire read on my slot is activity based.

That is a misrep. I already said, I thought Ariane was scummy. THEN I said, that you hadn’t done anything to change my mind on that.

So, I am not scumreading you based on “inactivity”. I obviously am not townreading for that on top of a slot that pinged me, before you even replaced in.

Nancy feels town too. i've given up on trying to read sequentially and am going through sections as they catch my interest.
hypothetical scum Nancy focusing on a town slot whose only meaningful actiom was a vote on her just doesn't seem likely.

Yes, I’m town here and despite being scum in Overkill 1, I really did mean the nice things I said to you in that game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria doesnt have the sword. But shes town

How do you explain DVa kill then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

That is a misrep.

She had like 5 posts

and did a hurt for silly reasons.

Oh thanks so much for this. Locktowning you now.



NOT!

[Nancy Drew 39]

I repeat: I haven't done anything. That's a pretty weak reason for a "strong scum read."

So, basically, your entire read on my slot is activity based.

I don't think that's that weak of a reason
I'm fairly certain myself that at least two scum are in the lurkers
it feels like the whole time has been TvT with the flips and kills we've gotten

I can't argue against your feels, but activity based reads are weak unless player specific imo.

Instead of defending against your scumreads, why not actually do something townie and give some reads?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh thanks so much for this. Locktowning you now.



NOT!

Wow...you've achieved 5-year old status. Congrats!

Instead of defending against your scumreads, why not actually do something townie and give some reads?

I don't do reads, but when people start doing things beyond activity reads (which necessitates defense given my slot), I will.

kthx.

Don’t piss me off, or I’ll post some of your favourite gifs.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria doesnt have the sword. But shes town

How do you explain DVa kill then?

Arthur killed dva or elsa

Elsa was obviously had to be the NK, why does scum kill DVa?

And if Maria’s Arthur, that would make perfect sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Pls do. I love gifs.

Alright, Pengun’s had enough time to respond by now and Ariane was one of my strongest scumreads D1, so:

HURT: Penguin

Please refrain from using penguin gifs in games that I am in going forward.

Thx.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Meh...nancy is probably town.

Okay, good read. Who do you think is scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria doesnt have the sword. But shes town

How do you explain DVa kill then?

Few posts later, Kokichi is gonna say he was just kidding

I lost track. I just say, whomever is Merlin.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Challenge:Sir Cakez

They are the most likely to be scum in my opinion. They talk alot of setup on purpose early(despite knowing it would alienate people), opportunistically jump on Nancy Drew while refusing to read meta, and the going for LLD also opportunistically with an easy reasoning :

VOTE: lld
No town player would have gladiated Maria of all people there despite spending pages going on about scum Elsa before

... while we know that this "no town player" is obviously false...

Someone has a deathwish.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What makes me especially uncomfortable is NK15's proposed plan and actual play revolving around gladiating before MariaR, who is almost certainly BP conf-town, returns.

Yeah, we don’t want to sacrifice her vigkill.

I 100% will be voting for NK, once she returns because Cakes is obvtown.

[Nancy Drew 39]

These two players are free to enter gladiates each other (or their nonexistant scumreads) before the deadline

You don't think this^ might have caused him to do it, rather than an agenda of wanting to gladiate before MariaR arrives?
I don't see why MariaR arriving would be a big deal -- she's not NK-able anyway, so anything she'd have to offer now she could easily do the next day.
Maybe scum realized Jay was the wrong kill and now know Kokichi is Merlin, so want him out as soon as possible?

Scum might want to rush this, to prevent the vigkill, so don’t vote until she returns.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Challenge:Sir Cakez

They are the most likely to be scum in my opinion. They talk alot of setup on purpose early(despite knowing it would alienate people), opportunistically jump on Nancy Drew while refusing to read meta, and the going for LLD also opportunistically with an easy reasoning :

VOTE: lld
No town player would have gladiated Maria of all people there despite spending pages going on about scum Elsa before

... while we know that this "no town player" is obviously false...

Someone has a deathwish.

True but this is classic town!Cakes in like every towngame, I’ve played with him. So, you are ignoring his meta.

[Nancy Drew 39]

why are you responding to yourself like that
that is actually fucking with my head

I’m obviously responding to NK. What?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm going to pull an Elsa and gladiate someone in (expired on 2018-12-15 01:32:19) , it's probably going to be one of Penguinpower/Not known 15, MaraiR will be back by then.
These two players are free to enter gladiates each other (or their nonexistant scumreads) before the deadline

Okay, so we don’t have to worry about not getting a vigshot, tonight.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Arthur I would shoot in PP/UT/gamma

Maria says she was townreading PP, I still have no idea why.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Auro: Evidence that dunn and NK15 are same-side, then.

Why? Dunn said he would do the gladiate once Maria got back.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ah, I thought he was saying he'd gladiate like right when Maria 'should be around' but it was basically just 2 days out and not assured.
Didn't he post a countdown or was that NK15?

I'm going to pull an Elsa and gladiate someone in (expired on 2018-12-15 01:32:19) , it's probably going to be one of Penguinpower/Not known 15, MaraiR will be back by then.
These two players are free to enter gladiates each other (or their nonexistant scumreads) before the deadline

It was Dunn. As long as what he says is accurate - wrt Maria’s return, I don’t see why it’s scummy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Setting a hard deadline when we don't know the actual particulars is scummy.
It should've been a soft deadline, like "When Maria gets back and we come to a consensus"
With a hard deadline, NK15, who's been set up to be lynched no matter what, if scum, gets to break that hard deadline and Dunn can seem town in juxtaposition.

Does that make sense or am I thinking everyone else is a batman villain like me?
Tinfoil, moonlogic, etc?
'cus it makes sense to me.

I see your point but maybe Maria gave him a specific time? \_0_/

If NK flips scum, your theory holds more credence.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also don't like the wording of 'Pulling an Elsa'
1. It likens Dunn to Elsa, who's flipped town.
2. We saw how great 'pulling an Elsa' turned out.
3. NK15 was going to be the gladiate no matter what short of a troll gladiate, so it's an empty gesture.

It just strikes me as posturing.

Could be.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What's MariaR's read accuracy on Dunnstral?

Fairly good I think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

How would Maria give a specific time?
I'm pretty sure NK15 flips scum here.
Him knowing too much on entry coupled with the Merlin fake coupled with the general lurking, low content, and troll gladiate all reads real off to me.

Well, we’ll find that out when she returns. She will either cooroberate this or not.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria isnt Arthur lol

Maria said she was going to kill DVa.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Real talk Arthur has Sword so if it's not Maria and we somehow lucked out that's amazing.

@Nancy: What if that was just to direct actual-sword-holder-Arthur who Maria is covering for?

I suppose it’s possible but unlikely IMO, unless you’re suggesting that Maria is Merlin?

[Nancy Drew 39]

In post 2726, Not Known 15 wrote:
Yeah so. It doesn't seem to go well for me so I think I better reveal that I am - despite my retractions - the real Merlin... which unfortunately means that I have to reveal the real Arthur this time (which prevents them from getting attacked:() - and then hopefully lynch that scum I challenged.
The real Arthur with the real sword is Auro.

I thought you were opposed to people posting pengun gifs?

So, you do have a sense of humour afterall? Good.

Yes, He is definitely lying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because Merlin says so.

Now vote fire

Bullshit.
I am Merlin. Firebringer is Arthur.
Lynch MariaR.

VOTE:MariaR

Like right here

NK has trouble keeping his lies straight.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought you were opposed to people posting pengun gifs?

Oh...you misunderstood me earlier. Penguin gifs are my thing (I made that one). That's why I said don't post them.

That being said, I'm all for gif posting so I won't be too mad.

Okay, good to know, I guess.

[Nancy Drew 39]

HURT: NK15

Placeholder vote

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

Yeah, knowing that penguinpower wasn't actually against penguin gifs but that it's just his thing is making me rethink my vote on NK15 too

???

NK is lying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And how is PP’s alignment and gif posting attitude have jack to do with NK15?

[Nancy Drew 39]

???

NK is lying.

So, you do have a sense of humour afterall? Good.

Am I missing something here? How do these posts go together?

*confuzzled*

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, knowing that penguinpower wasn't actually against penguin gifs but that it's just his thing is making me rethink my vote on NK15 too

Yeah, Dunn’s post makes 0 sense to me as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dunn was making a joke. It's funny that you said it was good that I had a sense of humor, but failed to had one yourself.

Granted...I failed on execution.

Oh.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The real Arthur with the real sword is Auro.

Lool you should've claimed one of your scum buddies had the sword, I never even claimed, this is obvscum!

\o/

VOTE: NK15

[Nancy Drew 39]

SirCakez, who was

Knight Errant

, and aligned with

Town

, was

killed

in

Night 3

.

Auro, who was

Knight Errant

, and aligned with

Town

, was

killed

in

Night 3

.

Maria’s reads are gawdawful this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought his reaction to it was bad. Sorry Arthur my reads are bad lol. Listen to someone else

So, it was you then? Sorry Maria, in that case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm guessing sir cakes was the scum kill. Why do we think he died

He was obvtowned by winning the gladiate against scum, obviously.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I honestly don’t know why anyone on the Fire No Lynch m, was getting vigged. Obviously, scum was far more likely to either be on Fire wagon or offwagon entirely.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought his reaction to it was bad. Sorry Arthur my reads are bad lol. Listen to someone else

So, it was you then? Sorry Maria, in that case.

No. I'm Merlin. I'm saying Arthur shouldn't listen to me anymore. Are you reading this game lol

I KNOW that. I mean that you were the one with the shit reads, not Maria. That is what you said, isn’t it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy what are your reads from towniest to scummiest

Well,

You
Maria (obviously)

Varsoon

————————

Dunn

Penguin is looking better.

Who else is still in this game?

Chara
Gamma?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ya'll. We don't need to be antagonizing each other here.
That's how we had the situation we had on D1.

Nancy, I don't know that I've ever seen you use a swear. Take a breath.

What? Chill

Me and Kokichi aren’t fighting here. At least, that’s not how it looks to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ya'll. We don't need to be antagonizing each other here.
That's how we had the situation we had on D1.

Nancy, I don't know that I've ever seen you use a swear. Take a breath.

What? Chill

Me and Kokichi aren’t fighting here. At least, that’s not how it looks to me.

You want to see “antagonizing”, check out Wisdom and me in YGM.

lolololol

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, I was starting to worry.
I've been kinda hyper-sensitive to people's rhetoric in games since I caught a signup ban.

Yeah, I saw. Some games get heated. Like you won’t see me calling anyone a “jerk” (waves to UT, )or anything.

I’m sorry Kokichi. Please excuse my vernacular.

[Nancy Drew 39]

3 of these have to be scum:

Nancy Drew 39
Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral
Untrod Tripod
Chara
PenguinPower

It's basically an informed 50/50
Kokichi, you're talking like we lose here but if we lynch a scum and shoot a scum, we win instantly.
Scum only win if they get to equal our numbers or more
So if we mislynch, we STILL get another day so long as Arthur DOES NOT SHOOT.

I don't think Nancy's scum.

Can someone collect all the Merlin claims and hypoclaims?
We can parse pretty easily from those if scum actually know who Merlin is, right?

Maybe figure out who’s town might be easier than scum?

Oh I forgot UT on my list.

Dunn is the towniest of the lot.

Maybe UT is scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VoteCount 3.1

Not Known 15 [7] - SirCakez, PenguinPower, Dunnstral, Nancy Drew 39, Kokichi Oma, Auro, MariaR [LYNCH]

SirCakez [0] -

Not Voting [5]

- Varsoon, Gamma Emerald, Not Known 15, Untrod Tripod, Chara

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-12-19 14:00:00)

Hmmm, other than Varsoon, do we have out scumteam or did they bus?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town

me

Kokichi
Maria

Varsoon

Dunn

——————————————-

So, are scum all below this line?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town

me

Kokichi
Maria

Varsoon

Dunn

——————————————-

So, are scum all below this line?

Actually, only 2 of Penguin, Chara and Gamma, UT can be scum.

So, which ones should we hurt?

[Nancy Drew 39]

?

Who do you think is scum here Gamma?

[Nancy Drew 39]

LL coming out hot with the reads.
What makes Nancy and UT town?
Why is mechanical talk scummy in an open setup?
If I was scum and you asked me to bus-gladiate, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Throwing out a thought:
If scum claims Excalibur, they die immediately.
Town can vote on someone to claim Excalibur for the day. ONLY that person claims at night. If they're scum it remains unclaimed, lynch next day. If there's a claim treat them like an IC the next day.

Kill resolves before claim. Yes, we'd effectively gate the scum kill but we'd also render the setup as 13-4 mountainous.
But I think you're right in that we could effectively use the sword claiming as a one-shot cop, but, again, that renders the bulletproof aspect of it kind of useless.

@MOD: If Merlin dies and flips, does Arthur's identity get revealed with the flip?
Can Merlin claim Excalibur?

Tone on both. It's what I expect from them.

It's not that we can't talk mechanics. Mechanics is NAI. It's that talking mechanics and using them to smother other interactions that generate reads + create "content" for scummy players is scumsided. Explained in a prior post, happy to explain again.

Crossbus Gladiates are inherently bad for scum due to the White Flag rule. If one scum remains, they concede. Bussing is far more likely to create a single scum surviving scenario, and eventually scum need to leave associatives, which means bussing is bad, especially day 1.

On this: I think bussing in general is less effective at furthering scum’s goals than creating an association with a town player. In Children of Hurin, I let the association between Nero and me fester, and that caused the game winning mislynch to happen, though Town wasn’t winning towards the end anyway.

nk15 post wasn't bad but...how the fuck did he know all that shit given he just replaced in is my question

Now that I’m out of my “fuck everything” state I think this is a good point
I caught scum!Wisdom with this exact thing in a kinda old game so I think we may be onto something.

Okay, I think Gamma is town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So who is scum

2 of UT/Chara/Penguin, would be my guess - in that order.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I dunno, I don't think scum Chara ever proposes a gladiate on town here because we've got an extra day anyway, so it'd just get them lynched D5.
So Chara's either town with whatever UT is
or Chara and UT is scum and it's a bus that buys us more time regardless.
I'm for it.

Well, it’s a question of wagonomics and I’m currently townreading everyone but UT/Chara/Penguin.

So, either one of my townreads are wrong, or the POE is 2 of those 3.

[Nancy Drew 39]

aren't there three scum left, not 2?

i'll gladiate as soon as i hear from Gamma.

Damn, you’re right. So, one or more of my townreads has to be wrong. :/

Kokichi and Maria are confitown.

So, 1 or more between Varsoon, Dunn, Gamma.

Even if UT/you/Penguin, there’s still 1 more and if only 2 of you, then 2 of those and God, I don’t even want to think of 3.

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit, if all 3 of you: UT/you/Penguin are scum, great, otherwise, one or more of my townreads, Varsoon, Dunn, Gamma is wrong. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

We only need to lynch 2 more scum

But, the setup says there’s 4 scum in the game, total and only one has been flipped?

[Nancy Drew 39]

We only need to lynch 2 more scum

But, the setup says there’s 4 scum in the game, total and only one has been flipped?

Four

of you are Fallen Knights, who seek to bring down the Knight Errants. They will murder one player each night.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Finally, if there is only one Fallen Knight remaining, then he/she will surrender and the game will end in Town Victory.

We only need to lynch 2 more scum

Okay, that’s good then.


HURT: UT

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ugh

I've been shit this game tbh. I'll gladiate Penguin since we're both widely scumread. I have no problem doing that.

So to the people who are saying I have to be scum, what are you going to do after I flip town?

Do you think, Penguin is scum?

Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

UT, that's a pretty meaningless question. anyone can say they'll flip town. you've just admitted yourself you haven't been doing much this game. i haven't either.
speaking of, why gladiate Penguin over me?
to answer your question, it would mean at least one strong townread is wrong.

Gamma: your opinion on me gladiating UT, that's what i wanted to hear.

My question? So, which one do you think it is then, Varsoon, Dunn or Gamma?

Kokichi/Maria are mechanically confitown.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i didn't really say what i wanted to say there. why isn't gladiating me an option for you, when i'm actually more of a consensus scumread than Penguin appears to be?

UT is bussing?

[Nancy Drew 39]

that's an interestng proposal, considering you'd be my first pick for that elusive third scum (assuming 1 scum in us three, scum Gamma, and then you).

and i'm trying to understand, but still not sure i get it. scum, unless bussing for some reason, want to gladiate a town they can mislynch... not someone who would be townread as town. the two conditions seem to contradict each other. am i missing something?

Why do you scumread Gamma and Varsoon?

I’m gonna assume you hard townread Dunn?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Scum need to scrape out two more mislynches in a row, here.
Even losing one scum is a huge problem for them, because it puts them 1 away from losing while town's still got two confirmed town, one of which is bulletproof.
So first and foremost
Scum don't want to be in the gladiate at all
And then if they have to be, they're going to want the other player to be town, given how every gladiate so far has gone.
So if you three go, for instance:
Chara: Penguin is scum, UT is town. I will gladiate Penguin.
UT: Penguin is scum, Chara is town. I will gladiate Penguin.
Penguin: UT is scum, Chara is town. I will gladiate UT.
Then that makes this
Assuming each person is TOWN and TOWNREADING ACCURATELY
Chara 2 votes, UT 1 vote.
Assuming each person is SCUM and TRYING TO LYNCH TOWN.
Penguin 2 votes, Chara 2 votes.

Since Chara has 4 votes, Chara is most likely to be town here.

From solely considering the gladiates and reads out of context.
Yeah it is a little at odds now that I look at it but that's what I mean.

Interesting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yes, and i'm sorry about that. the good news is i'm trying now, and so i doubt i'll be mislynched unless town makes a really bad gladiate.

Penguin really doesn't have any content, but UT has posts like the one about Cakez's reaction to the flip, and his followup after i questioned it. (posts i find a bit scummy).

speaking of, why was Cakez nightkilled? i'm asking because i don't know if he was very townread or not.

Because scum!NK gladiated him, spewing him obvious confitown.

Why would scum!NK gladiate his partner? Plus, Cakes was widely townread.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Chara, I think UT might say he wants to gladiate Penguin, to possibly throw us off.

I’m now switching Chara and Penguin in my readslist, if UT flips red.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think UT is gambitting on us assuming he wouldn’t gladiate a scumbuddy. IOW, reverse WIFOM logic.

I’m good at deconstructing that like I did SC’s terribad Harmless Zombie votes, in Necromancer. lol:

So, UT and Penguin are probably scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

thanks for the answer on Cakes Nancy, makes sense.

2853 was answering UT's question.

Oh, yeah and that would explain Cakes’ NK over mechanically confitown Kokichi.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why do you scumread Gamma and Varsoon?

I’m gonna assume you hard townread Dunn?

i don't. i townread you the most, followed by Varsoon and then Gamma.
i hard townread Dunn because i trust Maria's read.

But eventhough we only need to catch 2 scum, even if UT and Penguin are w/w together, if you’re not scum, than one of those 3 has to be. But I want to lynch UT first, followed by Penguin, since I’m liking your recent posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Kokichi/Maria are mechanically confitown.

I hardclaim that Maria isnt Arthur. So if I die, dont think shes conf town cause shes not.

Kokichi/Maria are mechanically confitown.

I hardclaim that Maria isnt Arthur. So if I die, dont think shes conf town cause shes not.

Whatever you say wonder boy

@Kokichi, that ship has long ago already sailed but hey, nice try.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if Maria isn't conftown, it does make me feel much less happy about the gamestate right now. because it opens up Dunnstral scum too and means i have to actually read him. and Maria.

Maria is Arthur, because of DVa and Auro kills.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: UT