no deadlines mafia [game over]

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However, I promised Nancy I wouldn’t go Sheep today.

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Oh yeah, light’s scum too.

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vote flavor leaf

Vonflare stop. You know I’m town, you’re just being lazy. Play the game, and vote actual scum. I’ve literally been defending you this entire game, but I’m done if you aren’t going to play and stick to the lazy wagon you were on prior to my replacing in.

Also, you had your chance to push my wagon earlier, the wagon died down.

We’re not lynching within the neighborhood today, now move on.

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Nancy, I’ve never played with town you while I was town except for in You’ve got Mail, which I replaced in late and didn’t do anything else.

I don’t understand that thought process.

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You were also a hydra basically every time I’ve played with you. Idk if we have a complete game together where we were T/T, and none of us were hydra.

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Right there, Nancy.

Every time you’ve been town. I don’t know your scum game. That right there is why there’s paranoia, and you should take that as a good thing.

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Stay in this game, please. I wanna keep talking with you.

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Happy scum day.

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I feel like I’m terms of my relationship with Saudade, I’m the Michael Scott to his Ryan.

He can do no wrong to me.

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Why?

Also, why is that a dichotomy?

because I sr gamma and ausuka is mehhhhh

and because people were talking about lynching those two

So you scum read a 1v1. lol, okay.

This is scum not paying attention to the thread.

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VOTE: Light

This way, I can keep my promise to Nancy too.

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Unless someone else is on the table, sheep is our best and semi only option at the moment.

I buy purrcocets arguments now

but I still feel too much in the "my gut just feels uncomfortable placing him in any alignment" position

idek

look at this fence sit

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PB is def town, flavor is still scum

look at this pocket attempt

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I actually like Ausuka's posts a couple pages ago.

ScumAusuka'd go hard on me, and seems kind of solvey.

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i could vote light

what the fuck are your two slots trying to do to the game

Get to the next day phase.

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i could vote light

what the fuck are your two slots trying to do to the game

To be fair, I've been scum reading Light since I replaced in basically. Only slot I haven't flip flopped either.

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Town

ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim

Weak town

the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)

Eh

vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi

Weak scum

purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm

Scum

jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon

Puts Varsoon, Vonflare, and a lurker as the scum, and then has xtoxm, Gamma, and party in lean scum.

Vonflare is lynchbait, party vs Varsoon are going at each other while in same neighborhood, xtoxm doesn’t make sense as scum with varsoon, that’s way too buddy buddy, and Gamma is the counter wagon.

VOTE: Light

I’m going to here. I await your response.

Maybe not since I replaced in, but pretty early on.

One of the people I don’t know are scum. TheBrie, light ganski, purrk, or Singleton.

Also this. I have reason to town read TheBrie and Purrc now, and after learning Single was BNL, I can see it coming from a town mind regardless if I like it or not.

I'm generally pretty solid with my reads when I first replace in or do a big catchup.

I'm pretty happy with my vote for now.

Gamma I've come around on, emotional Gamma is town Gamma.

Sheep is meh, but I can see town.

I'm hesitant to town read Nancy because I'm unsure what her scum game is like and I town read PB and Xtoxm.

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Town

ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim

Weak town

the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)

Eh

vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi

Weak scum

purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm

Scum

jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon

Puts Varsoon, Vonflare, and a lurker as the scum, and then has xtoxm, Gamma, and party in lean scum.

Vonflare is lynchbait, party vs Varsoon are going at each other while in same neighborhood, xtoxm doesn’t make sense as scum with varsoon, that’s way too buddy buddy, and Gamma is the counter wagon.

VOTE: Light

I’m going to here. I await your response.

Maybe not since I replaced in, but pretty early on.

One of the people I don’t know are scum. TheBrie, light ganski, purrk, or Singleton.

Also this. I have reason to town read TheBrie and Purrc now, and after learning Single was BNL, I can see it coming from a town mind regardless if I like it or not.

I'm generally pretty solid with my reads when I first replace in or do a big catchup.

I'm pretty happy with my vote for now.

Gamma I've come around on, emotional Gamma is town Gamma.

Sheep is meh, but I can see town.

I'm hesitant to town read Nancy because I'm unsure what her scum game is like and I town read PB and Xtoxm.

Good to know. God, I am such an idiot.

You think I would finally learn but nope.

Yeah, you can't act like this.

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Gotta get over when people scum read you and not letting it be personal.

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You're just making me feel bad for scum reading you, and that's just part of the game.

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Why is it that if I say I can see you as potential scum, it's way worse than if others do?

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I feel like I'm in some sort of couple's spout.

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I don't feel you'd feel the same way if Xtoxm/PB said the same thing, though


He's been stating he thinks Ausuka is scummy since before I got into the game, I think.

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I don't feel you'd feel the same way if Xtoxm/PB said the same thing, though


He's been stating he thinks Ausuka is scummy since before I got into the game, I think.

Which part?

I wanted to replace out initially BECAUSE of you, then I rescinded it once again BECAUSE of you, now I’m not sure if I care anymore. \_0_/

But because I scum read you then town read you...

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no but thats still selfish

you signed up to play the game

You’ve never once replaced out of a game?

I’m extremely stressed out rn. Is that a good enough reason for you and if you had any idea why, you totally wouldn’t blame me, for it.

Nobody is going to blame you either way.

But can we vote Light?

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Unless someone else is on the table, sheep is our best and semi only option at the moment.

I buy purrcocets arguments now

but I still feel too much in the "my gut just feels uncomfortable placing him in any alignment" position

idek

look at this fence sit

PB is def town, flavor is still scum

look at this pocket attempt

i could vote light

what the fuck are your two slots trying to do to the game

To be fair, I've been scum reading Light since I replaced in basically. Only slot I haven't flip flopped either.

Page 87 alone, mixed in with the case I made that you quoted earlier.

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I have replaced out of like 10 games out of like 150 total

I only do it when I am positive that i cant play with this playerlist and if i stay i will harm the game

Same.

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Saudade is a more promising investment than Light, I think.

Probably, but like I said, he's my Ryan.

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Oh, that schadd game, okay
I guess I can follow that.
VOTE: Xtoxm

Weren’t you saying Theta slot was scum?

Mastina replaced Theta, but now you’re sheeping the slot?

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I think xtoxm is town. Or else he hardcore successfully pocketed both Varsoon and Myself beyond belief.

I’m opposed to the xtoxm wagon. I think it’s scum motivated.

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I can't vig mastina until she announces that she is the greatest scum player of all time and that it is impossible to wagon her.

I'm pretty sure that's like an unwritten rule right?

No, only Flavor announces that, Alonzo.

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I’m pocketed by Saudade always, even if weMre dame alignment he’s my Ryan.

And Varsoon didn’t scum read Xtoxm, he was lean scum on PB, Nancy.

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So, the whole masonry thing makes sense now. Varsoon was tr me and PB and unsure about Xtoxm and when that changed he suddenly thought it was a masonry.

So wouldn’t that make Flavor town?

Yeah, Nancy’s thought I was town for a while now

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when saudade flips town remember this resistance to voting ausuka

Same thing to Sheep.

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And light

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I don’t actually think there’s a case or any reasoning behind Mastina being scum, but I think she is as well.

Does that make sense?

That’s her style too.

“I’m scum, but what can you do about it?” Damn.


Feelings time,

VOTE: Mastina

I think Xtoxm is town, and Mastina is uncatchable scum. Gamma’s case on Theta then the flip flop kind of put my system into shock.

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Nah, I get it. The fact that I even get that you can’t even really explain it hit it for me.

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Yeah, well I think it's not the best lynch for today anyway if she is scum.
And I've been in and out too and had meta shifts each time. I'm sure this is affirmable.

Why

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xtoxm is town

You think the hood is all town?

Could be. We have no way of knowing besides analyzing the play, and at this time, I believe yes, it is all town unless PB is poppin off, but I think he’s really townie too.

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anyway, idrc
im not voting her to get her lynched, im voting her to say that i spent the game voting her and calling her confscum while being ignored

So you don't care about getting a scum lynch, you care about voteparking on scum
this feels like scum who wants VCA points
VOTE: Xtoxm

It’s not VCA points. Mastina’s scum.

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daily reminder that mastina is confscum

I’ll be back in a day or 2. Busy busy

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Mastina isn’t scummy, but she is scum. Her play is very political, and she’s pushing a pretty straightforward scum agenda while at the same time, hitting a lot of right marks to come off as townie. I do a similar thing as scum.

The “sure, I’m scum, but not like you can do anything about it” kind of attitude.

That mixed in with the Theta mishaps, and I think Mastina’s highly scum trying to get a mislynch that can keep the game open and flow with scum.

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unless you have a specific type of claim that im looking for i sorta just want you hammered regardless of what you claim at this opint

if i vote this im not hammering right

VOTE: leo


meh

UNVOTE:

yeah im super lost on that slot rn

VOTE: varsoon

meh

VOTE: leo

i guess

idek abt this game anymore

i like

lost half of my motivation to play after that leo flip though

Like, someone tell me why this progression isn't one of the worst things to have happened in this game so far

It is by far one of the worst things to have happened this game. Who’s saying it isn’t?

He just might be town. (I’m indifferent about that at this point. I can annoyingly see a TownSheep like that)

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Isn't it kinda suboptimal to lynch a claimed PR when players like Sheep and Vax exist?

That’s how subconscious confirmation comes into play.

Slightly scummy comment, but still figuring out my thoughts on this.

You’re Saudade?

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Yeah, I’m basing my Sheep stuff off of other people right now.

ScumXtoxm has zero reason to give up the sheep push like that to push for a Mastina lynch here as scum. That’s just incredibly inefficient and not worth the mislynch objective, tbh.

Not with the admitted lack of casing, either.

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TheBrie is town

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Mastina’s playing incredibly politically.

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Like having stances on things just for the sake of having stances

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Uhm...you’re meta’ing off that. That looks pretty similar here, Nancy...-.-

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Like, that link you sent makes me lean sheep scum again

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Let me look closer. I’ve literally only skimmed for like 35 seconds, and I had to post because I don’t get it

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mastina wagon is meh. She hasn't done things of either alignment yet and she's been active. Down with taking a passive stance there.

Dannflor slot continues to be a murder target. Reads unchanged from ~20 pages ago. Someone make this game more interesting and I'll pretend I care more.

I disagree that it’s a meh wagon. The case is meh, but that’s been admittedly.

I’ll eventually make a case, but I definitely feel mastina’s the type of scum who just hasn’t really done anything “scummy” per se, it’s a mixture of everything and the way the posts are.

I’ll hyper analyze more when I have some time.

It’s a lot of “even though I’m scum, I’m doing the townie thing, so I’m town. You lynch me, you’re in the wrong Ben when I flip red. It’s literally a case of caught for the wrong reasons.”

However, that’s why I feel she is scum, which is the case for itself, so it just goes back and forth.

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Which is actually a great way to play this game considering the playerlist. I feel that’s likely a play towards more mechanical or logic based players, or players who can be warlocked.

Gamma, Nancy, jingle to an extent. It’s most of the site.

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Nancy is the only one who would be worth the potential warlock in that scenario, however.

It also fares well to go against xtoxm/myself in a way.

I’ve actually felt like Mastina is hoping I kind of just trail off onto someone else.

Mastina brought up that on her reads list Party Boat to Light Gandhi is pretty flexible. I’m on the townie side in between that spectrum which gives her an out to change reads at will on me, at the same time allows my other scum read of Light Ganski to be closer to my side, which gives Mastina an out if I were to push Light more, at the same time keeps a protective side over Light.

Masti

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Eh. mastina will shoot me before endgame if she's scum, so playing to confuse me isn't really a good assumption on her. Also, saying Nancy or Gamma is mechanically minded is pretty

I don’t think it’s playing to confuse you. I think it’s the opposite.

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Eh. mastina will shoot me before endgame if she's scum, so playing to confuse me isn't really a good assumption on her. Also, saying Nancy or Gamma is mechanically minded is pretty

I worked it poorly. Gamma is mechanical based. Very heavily, actually. But TownGamma gets emotional outbreaks sometimes.

Nancy I was skirting around saying she tunnels onto people which is what I meant by the warlock comment. Glad you brought that up because I knew I worded it poorly

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Yeah, Brie’s town.

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Eh. mastina will shoot me before endgame if she's scum, so playing to confuse me isn't really a good assumption on her. Also, saying Nancy or Gamma is mechanically minded is pretty

I don’t think it’s playing to confuse you. I think it’s the opposite.

I'm pretty sure she's ignoring my presence in the game, because I'm ignoring hers. Mastina is easiest to sort when I ignore her.

I meant players like you, because as scum, you’re aware of players. You just kinda are. I don’t think she’s done anything specifically to anyone, but she’s actively choosing where she wants every player on her reads list.

It just doesn’t seem real to me, but it seems genuine.

I think it’s incredibly strong scum play, but it is scum play.

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Rawr.

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Nancy is the only one who would be worth the potential warlock in that scenario, however

.

It also fares well to go against xtoxm/myself in a way.

I’ve actually felt like Mastina is hoping I kind of just trail off onto someone else.

Mastina brought up that on her reads list Party Boat to Light Gandhi is pretty flexible. I’m on the townie side in between that spectrum which gives her an out to change reads at will on me, at the same time allows my other scum read of Light Ganski to be closer to my side, which gives Mastina an out if I were to push Light more, at the same time keeps a protective side over Light.

Masti

Wrt the bolded. Why?

Because if someone can figure out how to manifest a situation like the FL/Nancy one from behind the scenes, that’s is quite a strong abusable situation.

I also am a potentially high priority warlock target, not necessarily this game.

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Just a playstyle thing; everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. Sometimes strengths can be a weakness and vice versa.

On the subject of Mastina, I saw she said that everything posted she has done in a recent scum game. Nice.

I like the comment of that as use of a town tell. I agree, but that fits even more into the point I’ve been making. It’s a town tell situation, and mastina’s Doing everything that

should

be townie.

I’m manifesting a situation in which scumMastina starts to become more upset about being scum read for what is perceived as weak reasoning.

Notice the questions that were asked by her when trying to counteract something upon her. Everything is mechanically based. Mechanically, there’s no real reason for her to be scum. Socially and agenda, albeit the agenda is pushing a townie perspective whilst aligning reads in a certain way. This updating long posts, and “not caught up with game” is a defense. It can be true, and more than likely is, but she’s posted more than enough content and knowledge of the game for that to be an reliable excuse.

Also, Mastina clearly stated that she didn’t want to replace into the Xtoxm slot because it was clearly scum, however with the defense of haven’t read the game, those two reasonings don’t line up. Why does she have such confident reads elsewise?

Because you don’t need to catch up completely to be able to read and analyze the game. You can section it and look into it from there.

In conjunction, she’s noting her trajectory directly to us. To make sure we see exactly why every read is there, and we can physically see change despite the change not really meaning anything. Like I said before, it’s strong scum play. It appears incredibly townie, but it is still scum play.

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Hi what does warlock mean? Google search reveals nothing

When a player magically controls another player and use them as the magical creature puppet to push through a mislynch while they sit on the sidelines.

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When have I implied my stances are anything other than having stances for the sake of stances?
Because that's precisely what they are, and you shouldn't expect anything else.

This post is in response to me saying her stances are stances for the sake of stances.

So she literally repeats herself to me.

You say this to me like I was wrong for saying that, but by your own words, you show that I stated a true statement.

This was a statement said to try and discredit me by burning down the base so the rest of it just crumbles to the ground. But really it just strengthens it once you look at it more.

But the aggro comment towards it was another strong scum play, as I bet most players would have crumbled with it.

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Can you spoiler if you quote walls, Nancy?

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Eh. mastina will shoot me before endgame if she's scum, so playing to confuse me isn't really a good assumption on her. Also, saying Nancy or Gamma is mechanically minded is pretty

I worked it poorly. Gamma is mechanical based. Very heavily, actually. But TownGamma gets emotional outbreaks sometimes.

Nancy I was skirting around saying she tunnels onto people which is what I meant by the warlock comment. Glad you brought that up because I knew I worded it poorly

Disagree. Scum!Gamma got pretty damn emotional in OK 2. I don’t understand how you saying I cantunnel=warlock thing. I don’t see the connection?

Also, I switched my read on Dann slot, because he actually gave me a VALID reason to do so. Both Jaylow and Saudade, were acting superscumy.

Eh. It’s different. It was like Gamma faking emotion. I didn’t have to really read him there. I can generally soul read Gamma even if we were at heads with each other during the same game

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Yeah, she was in a 1v1 with Varsoon hard

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Gamma’s town here. Pointless to push the counterclaim comment so hard to just give up on it, especially considering we have a wagon on said person.

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I checked where Dannflor replaces in and I would like to ask:
@Dannflor, what do you make of Nancy townreading two of your scumreads so vehemently?

What kind of question is that?

And that is a blatant mischaracterization, Gamma. I was only hard defending sheep.

VOTE: Gamma

You just don’t like the comment on a personal thing. It doesn’t make him scum.

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It’s a NAI post.

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That being said I'm like, warming up to a mastina lynch today much faster than I thought I would

But I would like someone to give me a reason that Vonflare should be alive tomorrow, because I see no reason, and mastina trying to pocket him does not do anything to make me want to read him as town

Yeah, I’d be down for Vonflare tomorrow.

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I agree, Dan. Trekkie makes sense as town to post like that.

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There’s just plenty of reasons why Xtoxm is town. Mastina’s case isn’t bad. She’s a great scum player.

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i dont understand the mastina wagon at all
but isn't she the slot that claimed jk
pretty sure that slot is town

There’s plenty of cases being made. I made a few big posts about it as well.

Nancy has a weird tendency to make me get paranoid about being wrong on Mastina, though.

But I’ve liked everyone else who’s commented on it. Scum probably bussed somewhere.

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I don’t think Wisdom defends her as scum team necessarily. He might.

However bringing up the JK slot confirmation comment is something I could see him do as scum with scumMastina

I’m not necessarily scum reading Wisdom.

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There’s just plenty of reasons why Xtoxm is town. Mastina’s case isn’t bad. She’s a great scum player.

the meta case actually is terrible, and that scum game is nothing like my play here
shes jsut throwing shit and seeing what sticks, and hoping no one looks closely enough at those games to realise its bs

That’s what I’m saying about good scum play. She makes it look really good, and that’s what I pointed out in one of my posts earlier.

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When have I implied my stances are anything other than having stances for the sake of stances?
Because that's precisely what they are, and you shouldn't expect anything else.

This post is in response to me saying her stances are stances for the sake of stances.

So she literally repeats herself to me.

You say this to me like I was wrong for saying that, but by your own words, you show that I stated a true statement.

This was a statement said to try and discredit me by burning down the base so the rest of it just crumbles to the ground. But really it just strengthens it once you look at it more.

But the aggro comment towards it was another strong scum play, as I bet most players would have crumbled with it.

This was one of the bigger cases I had on Mastina that explains how I feel her scum play is this game.

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I'm trying to decide which alignment of mastina makes multiple read lists while simultaneously insisting she hasn't read the game and I'm not sure it's scum but if she's town it's like she's going around begging to get mislynched

Well, it’s obviously both.

You don’t make reads like that as scum if you wouldn’t do that as town. You do it as scum because you see it as a townie move.

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I’m lean town on Ausuka. Mastina’s actually scummy. I don’t even feel it’s townie in a trolling way at all.

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I’ll lynch a thousand jailkeepers before I let this company die!

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I have absolutely zero interest in the Vaxkiller wagon.

That’s a lazy mislynch.

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@Brie - the JK had already been claimed, and Gamma has countered that claim as well.

Scum absolutely do not kill Mastina here even if Mastina happened to be town.

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Also, I was leaning town on Theta too. It is specifically a mixture of Mastina and how everything’s come about that changed it and allowed me to see that “oh, wait, yeah, that’s a scumTheta”

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Scum absolutely do not kill Mastina here even if Mastina happened to be town.

Narp.

If mastina townJK is left alive, odds that she becomes conftown by night actions and such increase, thus she needs to be killed sooner than later.

If mastina scumJK in multiball is left alive, odds that the other scumteam shoots her because she's a decent townplayer and actively scumhunting are high.

leaving mastina alive for a while while lynching other scummy people is tech.

Disagree. That’s how subconscious confirmation comes into play. Brought this up already.

I’m not going to necessarily think that it’s multiball until that’s confirmed. There were only two kills. Easily could be a vig or something else.

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If I were scum in Mastina’s position, Jingle is EXACTLY how I would want people to be thinking/talking right now to assure I live through the game.

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I don’t necessarily care for other people’s cases on mastina either. I’m pushing this strictly on the things I have posted and noticed about her. I think people are casing her with NAI things, and I feel that helps her slide away.

I am pushing the notion of a strong scum player, playing well, and I have posted many things this game that directly implicate scumMastina.

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Danflor is the attempt at a counterwagon to save Mastina.

This is clear as day.

Literally, Mastina, Sheep, light, and Vonflare are the ones on Dann.

That’s literally who I was pushing as scum, and this wagon came AFTER that.

The scum team is hardcore trying to get their heavy out of this situation.

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The wagon on her is shit tho.

How? Hardcore disagree. Majority of her wagon is obvtown.

The Dann wagon is an obvious mislynch wagon attempting to defend her.

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Scum absolutely do not kill Mastina here even if Mastina happened to be town.

Narp.

If mastina townJK is left alive, odds that she becomes conftown by night actions and such increase, thus she needs to be killed sooner than later.

If mastina scumJK in multiball is left alive, odds that the other scumteam shoots her because she's a decent townplayer and actively scumhunting are high.

leaving mastina alive for a while while lynching other scummy people is tech.

On top of this, as scum, I could easily become conf town through actions with that as a claim. Easily. That’s such an easy fake claim to get free town cred off of that isn’t actually provable, especially if there’s some kind of roleblocker on the scum team, which includes a scum JK.

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I’m not going to necessarily think that it’s multiball until that’s confirmed. There were only two kills. Easily could be a vig or something else.

Ehh. The amount of D1 spec on multiball makes it likely. Neither kill looks like a vigshot. Mod meta from other people suggests multiball. Probably multiball.

Alright, sure. Mastina’s still the best lynch.

I just won as SK in a 26 player kill heavy game. A strong scum player can avoid night kills at all costs.

The multiball factor is a weak reasoning to keep Mastina alive. Especially with this amount of pressure on her.

Other scum does NOT kill her.

This is scum. We lynch scum.

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The Dann wagon is an obvious mislynch wagon attempting to defend her.

Your timeline is running backwards. mastina wagon only started appearing when Dannflor started falling apart.

False. Xtoxm and I have been on her for a while.

I’ve been casing her for a while.

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The resistance is freakin’ ridiculous considering how hard I’ve been pushing this.

I do NOT have this hard a time pushing a town slot. ESPECIALLY if it’s multiball.

Mastina is scum.

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I’m just going to continue to push harder.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just won as SK in a 26 player kill heavy game. A strong scum player can avoid night kills at all costs.

Don’t push a weak reasoning if you can’t take a weak counter. Simple as that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roll eyes at that.

Mastina is scum.

The Dann wagon is garbage and incredibly scum motivated.

Light, Sheep, Mastina are literally the ones on it, with vonflare and Kokichi as the others.

Yet you say the wagon with Nancy, myself, Trekkie, xtoxm is the bad one.

Lol, okay.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, Dann is Saudade? Lol

Yeah, that’s obviously a dedicated scum mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

I forgot Dann was Saudade. Even better.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina is pushing xtoxm, has been the entire game, and backed off once I joined in with Mastina.

That was a political move.

She’s pushing Xtoxm as basically her strongest scum read, said she had to wait for something, out the case out there, and didn’t even go further.

She’s waiting for people’s reactions to it before she acts out.

Mastina is pushing a hardcore scum agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

Since you have said every vote on Mastina has been garbage since then, allow me to prove otherwise.

[Flavor Leaf]

You said she had 3, so i will leave myself, xtoxm, and purrcocet our of it.

Enter, Nancy Drew 39, Trekkie99, Ausuka, Dannflor

I will be looking into all of these then, since you think they are garbage. I disagree.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy's vote on mastina is crap. Trekkie's vote is crap. Dannflor's vote is crap, and he's probscum. Ausuka's vote is crap. X is probscum. You're tunneled based on a read that can't be argued.

Nancy’s vote is not crap. Mastina was shading her. Nancy is obvtown at this point, am I wrong?

Nancy’s vote isn’t crap because I have been pointing out to her directly that Mastina is scum.

I have told her not to get worked up in the neighborhood because Mastina is baiting her to hide behind the noise of Nancy.

Nancy feels misrepped. That is not a crap vote. That is completely valid.

Trekkie and I have been town reading each other for a bit. We’ve been on the same side for a bit.

Trekkie didn’t vote Mastina until a bit after my cases. Let me go find the Trekkie vote post.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina is hardcore NAI atm.

False. She is anything but NAI, and that was literally the basis of my entire case. She was doing everything in a townie is supposed to do this mindset and appealing else wise.

This is the post i disagree with the most in this game to this point.

She is the least NAI in this game thus far.

[Flavor Leaf]

Does mastina want people to invest in her coin?

In post 1476, the worst wrote:
In post 1472, Nibbui wrote:
I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
She is strangely charming
(

Btw, that's actually a weak towntell of mine. scumastina is an ass, so is anything but charming. The charm comes from me when I'm town, since I just have a way with people, I guess

.) ~ scum!Mastina from BoS

VOTE: mastina

This implies that Trekkie likes this post by Nancy.

Nancy is obvtown at this point. Nancy brought up a good point. That is LITERALLY a good thing to bring up. It contradicts Mastina.

This is on top of everything.

By itself, no, it does not equal Mastina Scum.

But when you add up all the twigs, it makes a scum pile.

[Flavor Leaf]

have a lot of homework rn and probably wouldn't post normally idk but this phase of the game feels more important?

Agree with the bolded. I really don’t understand the Ausuka push at all.

Beetlejuicing-ish, LHF, inconsistently treating different players attributing the same behaviors, and easily fakeable posts. TBF, no one has actually explained their SR there until now though.

beetlejuicing is a tell that i haven't seen since 2015 and I have never seen it catch scum once. I thought it died out but I guess not. I'm one of the most relevant people in the game right now since so many people suspect me, am I supposed to avoid times when people are mentioning me or smth?

don't see how I'm LHF-ing, it feels like i'm doing the opposite since my pushes just aren't working and i have to jump on wagons i don't like that much because the ones i do like are so unpopular.

you'll have to give me examples for the third one?

fourth one is like, I guess I can't disprove you if you feel that way, although I'd ask you about the hard-to-fake content coming from vax and wisdom.

VOTE: mastina for now; i feel like the game needs something to move forward with and it appears to be me or her right now - vax wagon is literally just me.

Ausuka’s vote is not garbage.

Ausuka isn’t even scum reading Mastina, and admits it’s just for now.

ScumAusuka does much more than this.

Ausuka is a possible lynch candidate, so pushing the other wagon that people, from the townier people in the game for survivalistic purposes and announcing that is an incredibly genuine thing, and a valid vote.

As town in that situation, I’d do the same thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

That being said I'm like, warming up to a mastina lynch today much faster than I thought I would

But I would like someone to give me a reason that Vonflare should be alive tomorrow, because I see no reason, and mastina trying to pocket him does not do anything to make me want to read him as town

Actually, I like that better. After ISOing her both in this game and BoS, she seems to be doing the exact same thing here.

She is clearly trying to goad me into losing it on her, so she can set me up for yet a 2nd time.

VOTE: Mastina

:/

This isn't voting mastina because she's scum. This is voting mastina because she doesn't like mastina's approach to the game. Nancy is letting emotion cloud judgment here.

Crap vote

. Probtown, but still crap.

False. I already explained why. And I’m pushing Nancy to see ScumMastina in neighborhood.

This is a mix of her trusting me, I feel.

[Flavor Leaf]

Everyone’s being such a fucking stick in the mud whenever someone pushes a lynch they dislike In breaking this out:

@Everyone: what are your top 4 preferred lynches? In order please.

@Wagonimics I want to lynch xtoxm, Vax, Mastina, and Wisdom. I’m aware xtoxm and mastina aren’t scum together ever but there’s plenty of support for multiball both with what has been seen setup/event wise and with how the game is developing. Wisdom I don’t see happening but is one I feel rather confident in.
This also serves as an answer to my own question so thanks for keeping me on top of things.

Vax/xtoxm - i will hard defend. Wisdom is truly the most NAI one here, but I could see him ending up as scum.

I think Mastina’s the play today, Gamma, and I’ve cases why I feel that.

Light and Sheep would probably be my next. I’m not interested in lynching them today, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Purr is town, FL is town, Xtoxm is... interesting. Also not particularly fond of Dan Lynch, looking more closely at ausuka. For now,

VOTE: Mastina

Their stronger town reads were on Mastina. Earlier they also mentioned Mastina losing the towniness they thought she had.

This one isn’t a great vote, but I can understand it from a townie who isn’t completely in the game.

This could be a scum vote, either bussing or if multiball, other team.

Still implies ScumMastina.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Flavor gonna need one more choice from you. Got you logged with Mastina/Light/sheep rn

I’ll say Vonflare.

I’m not compromising with a “whoever the majority of us think is scum is the lynch” kind of deal, and I will heavily fight that, just saying that now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ausuka’s vote is not garbage.

Ausuka isn’t even scum reading Mastina, and admits it’s just for now.

The fuck is this?

voting someone you're not scumreading is the definition of a garbage vote.

Trekkie thinking that Nancy's posting quoting self meta of mastina from a game in which mastina WAS scum was the best reason to vote mastina is

But it doesn’t make the person scum, also.

You are pushing the concept of garbage votes rather than scum or town motivated, which is you hatcheting me hard. You’re trying to discredit with weak reasoning when in reality there are plenty of reasons why Mastina is scummy.

You’re attempting to discredit off of “garbage votes”, however these garbage votes are not coming from scum thus empowering this wagon.

The Mastina wagon is a town motivated wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ausuka, Sheep, Dann, Xtox. There are others, but you wanted top four.

More importantly, I'll hammer anyone who gets into hammer range that isn't a townread of mine.

Great. That means if Mastina gets one more vote, you can triple vote hammer.

You straight up called her NAI, that is not a town read, and a direct contradiction of what you said earlier.

Gamma, join the Mastina wagon so I can reaction test Jingle Jangle who’s hardcore hatcheting me.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Ausuka/Dan scum reads are the laziest scum reads in this game so far.

Wisdom, you may think Ausuka’s scum, and I’m not even saying you’re wrong here, but even you gotta know you’re lazy with it.

That’s good for reads in itself to push for it

[Flavor Leaf]

The thing is, the majority of the Mastina wagon has literally been growing consensus for a while.

[Flavor Leaf]

Never said mastina was strong town read. I'm not fully caught up to game yet and I don't fully support mastina Lynch. I'm watching thread and plan on removing my vote if it gets too close to L-1 prior to me fully catching up.

Also mastina wagon is counter wagon to Dann, not other way around.

I’ve been pushing Mastina for far too long to ever agree with that.

Saudade slot is literally the laziest wagon in this game and is incredibly scum motivated.

[Flavor Leaf]

Your reasoning boils down to: Mastina is capable of doing this as scum. Mastina is pushing a bad case that Xtox is scum.

I disagree that her case on Xtox is wrong (although I haven't done the meta there), and the first is objectively true but also pretty unimportant in the scheme of reading mastina.

Every other person pushing mastina is doing so for bad/NAI reasons. Thus, garbage wagon.

I don't want to lynch a claimed JK based on a case I think is NAI and a bunch of shit reasoning, and thus oppose the wagon.

Nah. It’s not a bad case.

I’m actually about it. I’ve been posting this the entire time. Mastina was being town read for a while. I cased her. I changed the attitude towards her.

I will be pushing this for 50+ more pages like this if I have to.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yup. I will hammer if she gets another vote tomorrow. Doesn't mean the wagon isn't crap.

It’s not. My cases alone means it’s not.

You’re counter cases are surface level and weak reasoning.

[Flavor Leaf]

Never said mastina was strong town read. I'm not fully caught up to game yet and I don't fully support mastina Lynch. I'm watching thread and plan on removing my vote if it gets too close to L-1 prior to me fully catching up.

Also mastina wagon is counter wagon to Dann, not other way around.

I’ve been pushing Mastina for far too long to ever agree with that.

Saudade slot is literally the

laziest wagon in this game

and is incredibly scum motivated.

For truth. Doesn't mean the slot isn't scum.

Saudade wasn’t scum. Zero chance Saudade doesn’t attempt to pocket me in a game where he’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lots of noobs in this game i see

Flavor Leaf biggest one

Dont expect me to read 77 pages back

Its quite easy to play you Flavor

Nah if it dont fit your character a little game dont bend it

this game boring
everybody's reeking of apathy

All indicative of TownSaudade.

Not once did he play up to me.

This is not how ScumSaudade interacts towards me.

I just even finished a game where everyone was pushing Saudade as scum, and I single handed My was the one sticking up for him, and he was town.

Saudade slot is town, and I’ll take that to the he bank.

[Flavor Leaf]

If anything, he was challenging me. The comment he brought up about if it’s not in your character is directly a response countering my comment earlier.

This is town Saudade, Gamma, Xtoxm.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure, i forgot you were Saudade. I’ve already said this.

People need to stop bringing it up.

Doesn’t change the fact Saudade slot is town and Mastina is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

10 players voting for Dannflor (Wagonomics,

Nancy Drew 39

,

TheBrie

, light_ganski,

Trekkie99

, Party Boat, mastina, vonflare,

Ausuka

, sheepsaysmeep, Kokichi Oma)

8 players voting for mastina (Xtoxm, Flavor Leaf, Purrcocet, Enter,

Nancy Drew 39

,

Trekkie99

,

Ausuka

, Dannflor)

Where is the scum motivation on the Saudade wagon here?

Light is confscum. I’ve been casing that since I replaced in.

If multiball, Ausuka can be scum.

Scum isn’t going to bus Mastina heavily, tbh.

She’s their heavy.

Literally I’ve answered nearly everything you’ve brought up

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE:

As I said before, this is likely the busser if there’s one.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is not how ScumSaudade interacts towards me.

In my experience scum Saudade plays terribly and then flakes.

That’s just Saudade.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: mastina
Your move Jingle.

K. I'll hammer when I wake up. Purr gets her ability at 2AM and I'm not staying up that late.

Cool.

Can't hammer anymore, Enter unvoted.

Probably bussing.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - let’s change Vonflare for Enter.

[Flavor Leaf]

FLs got tunnel vision making mastina maybe town. I haven't caught up yet and I'm not pushing a Lynch on someone I only have a kind of scum read on while we wait.

FL stop ignoring me. Saude wagon came first, mastina wagon was response. Fix your reads.

Please read. Your ignorance is showing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Literally stated multiple times forgot Dann was Saudade.

[Flavor Leaf]

My Mastina read is not based on the wagon regardless. I could seriously care less about the wagon switch here because Saudade slot is town, and the wagon came after I made my cases. My town reads are the ones on it with me, so yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

Btw Enter please respond to what I asked for in post 2800

He doesn’t read. He just likes accusing people of ignoring posts even though he just got caught out twice for not reading, yet acting like he is.

He’s a Mastina partner.

Mastina, Light, Enter confirmed.

Sheep’s probably actually town, but I’m still down to lynch sometime.

I’m not coming off of Mastina today, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm getting there, GE. FL you can't just drop a story for scum, find out your story is wrong and go "oh well, still scum"

Ignorance is showing again from you.

That was ONE chapter of my case. One twig in the fire.

I have like 20 twigs.

If I have 19 scummy twigs, and one townie twig, it’s still a scummy Fire.

That literally changes nothing, and you are pushing a nonsensical crap reasoning and acting like that was the entire case

Honestly, that wasn’t even part of the case. That was just a comment I made. I forgot it was Saudade. :shrug:

It literally had no merit on my read

[Flavor Leaf]

You didn't catch shut you just hate being wrong.

Not wrong until I’m proven wrong. So prove me wrong.

Flip Mastina.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also literally just admitted I was wrong with the Saudad/Dann wagon, so that reasoning is incredibly surface level of you.

I admit when I’m wrong quite often. I did so with nancy earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

He’s just protecting Mastina nonsensically.

He literally stated me as one of his town reads when there was no Mastina wagon, and now that I’m making case after case on Mastina, and tearing down the weak defense people are giving with actual logic, all they do is try to laugh about it and shrug it off.

None of Jingle’s or Enter’s post are substantial. They’re all getting hung up on a minute irrelevant point of my case yet my actual case has been ignored so it’s be forgotten. They’re saying the reasons are garbage, yet they don’t even know what the case is.

[Flavor Leaf]

Naw, admitting part of your argument is screwed is way different than admitting your whole perspective was wrong.

My perspective isn’t wrong until it’s proven wrong.

And you have no merit in saying i am wrong, and that’s just scummy of you to say otherwise.

Almost a TMI like scenario, so if multiball, I could see you on the scum team opposite of Mastina here or on mastina’s Team.

I’m not wrong unless she flips green.

She won’t.

[Flavor Leaf]

What about the >50% over voters not on mastina as well?

Literally the point of the question, Gamma.

Doesn’t look like it

He says the wagon is scumdriven, and yet the majority of the wagon is people he was townreading. Light was on the wagon, but was actively pushing FL and X the whole time. Mastina waffled about the slot's alignment, not pushed it heavily.

Wagon, ND, PB, Trekkie and sheep are all townreads of his. Koki claimed IC. My point is that I agree that the wagon on Saudade was bad. But that so is the wagon on Mastina, for largely the same reasons and because of largely the same slots.

Regardless if the wagon is bad, my reasonings for pushing Mastina is not.

Nancy, xtoxm, and Trekkie were all my town read consensus group.

It’s valid.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Mastina wagon happened over like three days how is that resistance?

I'm not flipping Martina right now. You're super eager for a Lynch and we're nowhere near deadline. Back off.

PEdit: the game thread is a hundred plus pages and growing faster than I can read. I was in the middle of something else when it started. I joined cuz xyzzy begged me to. Yeah I'm not particularly dedicated.

Super eager for a lynch? Fuck yeah I am.

I’ve literally been in this game for 22 days, and it’s the same day phase.

I replaced mid day.

[Flavor Leaf]

18 days, my bad. Not 22.

Regardless, that’s a long ass time for me to have joined in this day phase.

You guys act like you replacing in late.

I replaced in LITERALLY THIS SAME DAY PHASE.

[Flavor Leaf]

My never touch list:

Nancy, xtoxm, Gamma, Trekkie, Saudade slot

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

I don’t actually think there’s a case or any reasoning behind Mastina being scum, but I think she is as well.

Does that make sense?

That’s her style too.

“I’m scum, but what can you do about it?” Damn.


Feelings time,

VOTE: Mastina

I think Xtoxm is town, and Mastina is uncatchable scum. Gamma’s case on Theta then the flip flop kind of put my system into shock.

Nah, I get it. The fact that I even get that you can’t even really explain it hit it for me.

Mastina isn’t scummy, but she is scum. Her play is very political, and she’s pushing a pretty straightforward scum agenda while at the same time, hitting a lot of right marks to come off as townie. I do a similar thing as scum.

The “sure, I’m scum, but not like you can do anything about it” kind of attitude.

That mixed in with the Theta mishaps, and I think Mastina’s highly scum trying to get a mislynch that can keep the game open and flow with scum.

Isn't it kinda suboptimal to lynch a claimed PR when players like Sheep and Vax exist?

That’s how subconscious confirmation comes into play.

Slightly scummy comment, but still figuring out my thoughts on this.

You’re Saudade?

Mastina’s playing incredibly politically.

mastina wagon is meh. She hasn't done things of either alignment yet and she's been active. Down with taking a passive stance there.

Dannflor slot continues to be a murder target. Reads unchanged from ~20 pages ago. Someone make this game more interesting and I'll pretend I care more.

I disagree that it’s a meh wagon. The case is meh, but that’s been admittedly.

I’ll eventually make a case, but I definitely feel mastina’s the type of scum who just hasn’t really done anything “scummy” per se, it’s a mixture of everything and the way the posts are.

I’ll hyper analyze more when I have some time.

It’s a lot of “even though I’m scum, I’m doing the townie thing, so I’m town. You lynch me, you’re in the wrong Ben when I flip red. It’s literally a case of caught for the wrong reasons.”

However, that’s why I feel she is scum, which is the case for itself, so it just goes back and forth.

Which is actually a great way to play this game considering the playerlist. I feel that’s likely a play towards more mechanical or logic based players, or players who can be warlocked.

Gamma, Nancy, jingle to an extent. It’s most of the site.

Nancy is the only one who would be worth the potential warlock in that scenario, however.

It also fares well to go against xtoxm/myself in a way.

I’ve actually felt like Mastina is hoping I kind of just trail off onto someone else.

Mastina brought up that on her reads list Party Boat to Light Gandhi is pretty flexible. I’m on the townie side in between that spectrum which gives her an out to change reads at will on me, at the same time allows my other scum read of Light Ganski to be closer to my side, which gives Mastina an out if I were to push Light more, at the same time keeps a protective side over Light.

Masti

Eh. mastina will shoot me before endgame if she's scum, so playing to confuse me isn't really a good assumption on her. Also, saying Nancy or Gamma is mechanically minded is pretty

I don’t think it’s playing to confuse you. I think it’s the opposite.

Just a playstyle thing; everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. Sometimes strengths can be a weakness and vice versa.

On the subject of Mastina, I saw she said that everything posted she has done in a recent scum game. Nice.

I like the comment of that as use of a town tell. I agree, but that fits even more into the point I’ve been making. It’s a town tell situation, and mastina’s Doing everything that

should

be townie.

I’m manifesting a situation in which scumMastina starts to become more upset about being scum read for what is perceived as weak reasoning.

Notice the questions that were asked by her when trying to counteract something upon her. Everything is mechanically based. Mechanically, there’s no real reason for her to be scum. Socially and agenda, albeit the agenda is pushing a townie perspective whilst aligning reads in a certain way. This updating long posts, and “not caught up with game” is a defense. It can be true, and more than likely is, but she’s posted more than enough content and knowledge of the game for that to be an reliable excuse.

Also, Mastina clearly stated that she didn’t want to replace into the Xtoxm slot because it was clearly scum, however with the defense of haven’t read the game, those two reasonings don’t line up. Why does she have such confident reads elsewise?

Because you don’t need to catch up completely to be able to read and analyze the game. You can section it and look into it from there.

In conjunction, she’s noting her trajectory directly to us. To make sure we see exactly why every read is there, and we can physically see change despite the change not really meaning anything. Like I said before, it’s strong scum play. It appears incredibly townie, but it is still scum play.

When have I implied my stances are anything other than having stances for the sake of stances?
Because that's precisely what they are, and you shouldn't expect anything else.

This post is in response to me saying her stances are stances for the sake of stances.

So she literally repeats herself to me.

You say this to me like I was wrong for saying that, but by your own words, you show that I stated a true statement.

This was a statement said to try and discredit me by burning down the base so the rest of it just crumbles to the ground. But really it just strengthens it once you look at it more.

But the aggro comment towards it was another strong scum play, as I bet most players would have crumbled with it.

For my own sake, I’m quoting some of my posts so I can look back easier.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I town read the wagon pretty strongly. I feel like they have faith in my case, and they’re trying to help me case them, which I appreciate. They’re giving me the space to do what i do and catch scum while giving the Third Degree Boon.

Mastina is a strong scum player. Subconscious confirmation can’t happen here or that’s a sweep.

I’m a strong scum player myself. This happens. I know what it looks like. This is a scum slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

My never touch list:

Nancy, xtoxm, Gamma, Trekkie, Saudade slot

When did I fall off of this?

I don’t agree with the hatcheting, so people can touch you if pressure on you will take you elsewhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I town read the wagon pretty strongly. I feel like they have faith in my case, and they’re trying to help me case them, which I appreciate. They’re giving me the space to do what i do and catch scum while giving the Third Degree Boon.

Mastina is a strong scum player. Subconscious confirmation can’t happen here or that’s a sweep.

I’m a strong scum player myself. This happens. I know what it looks like. This is a scum slot.

Whether the cases are strong or not, I feel it comes from a solid place.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not going to even respond to obvscumEnter.

I haven’t pushed she talks “agenda” you don’t talk that. You push that, and secretly.
Her play directly benefits a scum agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, killing off Mastina here is good because it’ll stop my mad tunnel as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not going to even respond to obvscumEnter.

I haven’t pushed she talks “agenda” you don’t talk that. You push that, and secretly.
Her play directly benefits a scum agenda.

You're so confident it's pushing me in the other direction.

Stop making excuses. If I'm obvscum.

Lynch me.

Over mastina.

Nah. We can just lynch you tomorrow.

Cut off the head of the hydra.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not going to even respond to obvscumEnter.

I haven’t pushed she talks “agenda” you don’t talk that. You push that, and secretly.
Her play directly benefits a scum agenda.

You're so confident it's pushing me in the other direction.

Stop making excuses. If I'm obvscum.

Lynch me.

Over mastina.

But good attempt to split the pressure. Solid scum play.

[Flavor Leaf]

I honestly don't see Enter/Stina scumteam. The Chainsaw is too obvious. Could be either or neither, but not both.

Fair. I don’t acually see ScumEnter without ScumMastina, though.

To be fair, I chainsaw as scum in S/S situations like that precisely because I can argue it with your comment.

[Flavor Leaf]

"I don't like it when people disagree w/ me so they're all scum"

Her play is pushing a town agenda as well. At least she doesn't sit in the thread and make passive comments or jump in once a day with a prodge.

Don't like waiting? How about taking a break for a bit and letting people catch up then?

PEdit: What pressure? It's just you ranting at whatever walks by. "come lynch mastina pls, I'm bored and want day to end"

Wut u talkin bout

I never called Jingle scum, and Nancy became a town read of mine after our arguments.

This is just you being surface level.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, but you're a Carnival of Lunacy scumplayer. Enter seems more of a hide behind logic scumplayer.

Fair. I could see Enter as town. He’s only defending Mastina because I’m pushing and he doesn’t want me to be right for personal reasons, though.

This happens. He’s gonna feel bad after the flip.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can't get past surface level if I don't have time to keep track of all the players, much less keep track of their agendas.

Whatever. I'm gonna go read for a bit, I'll see you later.

(I didn't forget your question, GE)

Yeah, idk why you’re trying to go 1v1 with me at that level. Go read. Maybe you’ll see ScumMastina.

[Flavor Leaf]

We’re at L-5 with Mastina.

[Flavor Leaf]

This day phase has gone on for a month now.

[Flavor Leaf]

L-4. Gamma put her to L-3 then Enter unvoted.

I'll hammer tomorrow if someone puts her in range.

I'd still prefer an actual scumread though. Like sheep, who had a crazy amount of resistance due to literally just Nancy's meta read and has high partner equity with mastina or Ausuka who has high resistance because literally no one is townreading her. :shrug:

Ill admit. I might have just been tunneled onto Sheep.

Honestly, with Ausuka, I just feel she’s not here.

Ausuka’s a strong player.

I also feel like both Sheep and Light are playing behind Mastina.

[Flavor Leaf]

why is STK "BNL" again?

Same reason some people call me Boon. Alts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, wagonomics.

Vote Mastina here, and we can hammer it and FINALLY end this day phase.

Be my hero, baby.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, wagonomics.

Vote Mastina here, and we can hammer it and FINALLY end this day phase.

Be my hero, baby.

Does Gamma support a mastina flip?

Yeah, he’s on it.
So is Nancy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, wagonomics.

Vote Mastina here, and we can hammer it and FINALLY end this day phase.

Be my hero, baby.

Does Gamma support a mastina flip?

Yeah, he’s on it.
So is Nancy.

She*

[Flavor Leaf]

@Dann - ScumMastina flip implicates Sheep a lot. Join us!

[Flavor Leaf]

@Dann - ScumMastina flip implicates Sheep a lot. Join us!

Oh, you’re on if. Damn.

[Flavor Leaf]

also I town read Ausuka

Yup. Literally no one.

I’m sorta lean town on Ausuka.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here’s a song:

Let’s...flip the Mastina!!
Let’s flip her here tonight!!
Then Flavor will not tunnel...
And he will no longer bite!!

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

well

here we go
i get the feeling this game start is going to be significantly more difficult then the last xyzzy game i played in

well it was multiball in the last xyzzy game i participated in

and 24 players and only one organized scum faction would be interesting to balance out
although who knows maybe we have multiple independent killing roles in the game instead of a second scum faction
the flavor in the opening post definitely implies a vig or sk being in the game

wow

that actually caused a lot more discussion then i thought it would
not yet sure about my reads after that though
a little bit tired at the moment so it is a bit hard to put two and two together

however i will say i am slightly town-reading emerald now

emerald appears to be doing some amount of player sorting which at this stage of the game is important

i would also state that party boat is probably town
i believe they are fishing for reactions with those votes

responding to brie
the discussion on whether the game is mutliball that me emerald and varsoon had

people always get second thoughts when a wagon goes up that quickly
i wonder if scum was bussing or defending leo
VOTE: leodanny

this is scum 90 percent of the time here

my role card says leodanny is scum
and yes this is me counter-claiming jailkeeper
i was going to wait and see if a leodanny lynch would occur on its own because that was a fairly obvious desperate move and role fishing attempt

but honestly if i did not claim now town is just going to fall in on itself the way things are looking

i unfortunately have to post v/la until christmas due to lack of time temporarily

i got back

my target last night was hebichan for anyone wondering
did not really have much of a reason for it as i legitimately thought there would not be duplicate jailkeepers in this game and based most of my reads off of that [ i referenced that with the 90% chance instead of 100% but all in all i did not seriously consider this outcome playing out ]

i will catch up later today

can someone explains why a duplicate role means something in a 24p game

alright
this post honestly bothers me

especially considering some of the other actions xtoxm has taken [going along with the mason fake-claim and the push on kokichi for the ic claim which will give us either confirmed town or an automatic lynch tomorrow]

i am afraid i just do not have the capacity to play this game for the time being
i have been getting over an addiction and for the past few days my mind has felt like it is falling apart

xyzzy please replace me out

Here’s all of Theta’s posts.

You know what probably happened?

Theta is a scum JK who thought it was multiball, so she counterclaimed thinking Leo would flip on the other scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

hi im here

doing homework but ama and i might get to it

Can you vote your partner Mastina rather than help her evade lynch further.

I’ll give you some townie points.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alternatively, I hear there's support for a sheep wagon. You could vote there.

There’s zero support for a Sheep wagon.

I will fight it.

And Nancy will fight it.


That’s actually not a good idea to go to Sheep today.

[Flavor Leaf]

mastina is so painfully villager

this game is depressing

NAI at best.

This is a scummy post.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do it, Sheep. Vote Mastina. Give in to your inhibitions.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE:

anyway dann's tunnel on me i still think is really villager

Yeah, Dann’s town.

[Flavor Leaf]

The wagon on him is scummy.

Mastina and Light...

[Flavor Leaf]

Aye, I’ve literally town read the entirety of the Mastina wagon prior to Mastina even replacing in...

[Flavor Leaf]

*cough*badtownreads*cough*

How so? None of them are scummy. Like literally. None of them are scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ausuka/Purcc you can call bad town reads, but I went through a lot with the rest of the wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Danfloor indirectly

[Flavor Leaf]

you telling me 40 longest wallposts ive seen can be nai is lol

That’s just Mastina, dude...-.-

Have you ever played with Mastina or seen a game with her?


She even states it’s NAI.

[Flavor Leaf]

Holy, sheep’s hard pocketed to look like a Mastina partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

My never touch list:

Nancy, xtoxm, Gamma, Trekkie, Saudade slot

Sheep, you can join this.

You’re town af. We can get you into the Pocket Protection Program if you need it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t necessarily think beetlejuicing is scummy.

Ausuka much more aggressive as scum when being pushed.

[Flavor Leaf]

mastina is so painfully villager

this game is depressing

NAI at best.

This is a scummy post.

No, sheep is just pocketed. I thought the same thing in MBoS.

Mastina made it a point in that game of scum!her=ass, town!her=nice.

How has her behaviour been in this game so far? I rest my case.

To be fair, I feel like that could go either way for both alignments, but you are technically correct, so yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

flavor why do you have me as v

Because you’re town who is pocketed by Mastina.

You were already mislynch bait, and in hindsight I can see it. You aren’t really pushing a scum agenda. I don’t agree with your posts, and you make statements that are just out there and confidently, but you don’t seem to be pushing a scum agenda anywhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

Your townblock is officially 50% scumreads. Congrats.

More like scumdedicated mislynches

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t say townAusuka isn’t aggressive, but scumAusuka tunnels beyond belief.

ScumAusuka would be posting much more here, I feel.

I could be wrong on her. I’m not confident in my read. She’s not in the never touch list.

At the moment, I don’t find it more likely she flips scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sheep, it’s time to end this day phase.

Nancy stood up for you hardcore earlier, I feel you should put faith in her for the day and come over to the other side. The waterMs nice, and none of us are trying to see you hurt, so long as you are town.

Vote her. Mastina needs to die.

[Flavor Leaf]

flavor leaf do you have a thing where if it goes through before 1 month you get it and if it goes over 1 month it doesn't or do you just really want mastina dead?

not fishing here but if you have an ability that's on a different time req than purr's, I would go with yours over hers

I’m torn. Can I say yes to this?

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm waiting for Purr's. There's a 0% chance that a hammer happens before the month is over.

Mm, not if Wagon or sheep votes, and you triple vote hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

So... Just gonna put this out there. Nanc might not be town. If she's still alive come day 6 or so, look hard at that slot.

I don’t see Nancy/Sheep as S/S ever

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm waiting for Purr's. There's a 0% chance that a hammer happens before the month is over.

Mm, not if Wagon or sheep votes, and you triple vote hammer.

Yup. 0% chance.

You said you’d hammer if it got in range

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re saying they won’t?

I feel like Wagonomics might.

It’d be smart of him.

[Flavor Leaf]

Noted.

I don’t think I make it that far into this game either, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Argh. ScumMastina’s gonna talk her way out of it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m honestly not even caring to take any meta cases on in this game. Meta’s complimentary unless you got it in your bones for that player. A la me for Gamma. However, even then you can skip through the cracks, because you just have to play differently.

[Flavor Leaf]

Argh. ScumMastina’s gonna talk her way out of it.

That's... Not a concern at this point.

Like, this is exactly like RC's UPick, when everyone was telling me to lynch mastina because she was gonna deepwolf. Mastina is almost never the scary part of the scumteam. Mastina setting up her partners to carry the rest of the game is why she's good at scum. She's always gonna be BoP lynched before LYLO.

Hmm, I saw her as a heavy.

[Flavor Leaf]

People think I bus my scummates a lot, but I don’t. I’m much better when I have my partners alive, which is why i go for perfect scum victories, because I have to. Can’t explain why I’m still alive late game.

My scum game shines Day 2-3, where my town game shines in the late game.

I’m just slippery and hard to lynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

In a way, though, isn’t it better to take out that kind of player early before she can setup.

What youre saying is basically okay with letting her setup her scum team for a victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

I like to think RC and I always setup for that, we just don’t generally have to.

I get what you’re saying, though.

Mastina is lynchable, and therefore her style goes along with the fact that she may be lynched.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why are you assuming neighbor means no PR? Neighbors can be a PR.

[Flavor Leaf]

Danflor is the attempt at a counterwagon to save Mastina.

lmao
danflor wagon was around way before mastina
both wagons are terrible and distract from scum ausuka

Already talked about and past that

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, Nancy, I brought you to 3p lylo as a SK when you were an FBI agent.

How often do you get night killed?

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn, Saudade didn’t wanna pocket me as scum. How sweet.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: light

[Flavor Leaf]

Danflor is the attempt at a counterwagon to save Mastina.

This is clear as day.

Literally, Mastina, Sheep, light, and Vonflare are the ones on Dann.

That’s literally who I was pushing as scum, and this wagon came AFTER that.

The scum team is hardcore trying to get their heavy out of this situation.

mastina has died, and was a town jailkeeper.

Dannflor has died, and was a mafia day 3 vigilante.

Fancy explaining this one flavour?

It was a month into the day. Explanation.

I talked about it in my neighborhood that near the end of the day, I started feeling I was wrong, which is when it got overly tunnely. I didn’t wanna think about it anymore.

Good work, Ausuka.

[Flavor Leaf]

Xtoxm, Nancy, and I all talked about Wisdom being likely scum and a little TMI to Mastina as well.

So everyone in my neighborhood, except for PB brought that up.

VOTE: PB

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not going to even respond to obvscumEnter.

I haven’t pushed she talks “agenda” you don’t talk that. You push that, and secretly.
Her play directly benefits a scum agenda.

You're so confident it's pushing me in the other direction.

Stop making excuses. If I'm obvscum.

Lynch me.

Over mastina.

posts like this one, and other aspects of his play like unvoting mastina because he didn't want a lynch before he caught up, not caring about getting into an argument with FL on patchy game knowledge...more likely coming from town.

I’m not necessarily sure.

It looks LAMISTy here. Like they were egging me on to tunnel Mastina more. I was expecting scum to do something like this if Mastina flipped green.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s also likely scum on the Mastina wagon, and now they’re caught on that wagon like a fly on that fly tape.

@Mastina - yeah, I tunneled. That one’s on me. My bad. I should have pivot’d at the end when I started getting cold feet.