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[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: fl

<3


I think you’re wrong Purr, Wisdom is town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

purr cant read me anyway

I thought you were probably town anyway, based on a few posts of yours and I hate being in that hood.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Don't be stupid Purr.

more difficult than you think

Purr, scum!FL is trying to strongarm me and bully me in the hood, like he did in Overkill 2. Post-game, he confessed the he knew I was so obvtown it hurt or something like it. Yes, I didn’t even vote him - let alone sr him but I am not just rolling over while he tries to get one of my strongest townreads lynched, so apparently that makes me scum in his eyes, or he wants me to think that. He thought wrong.

[Nancy Drew 39]

special agent purr, from the Feline Bureau of Investi-NYAtion
i regret to inform you that is not whats happening :/

What isn’t?

[Nancy Drew 39]

scum boon pushing town sheep is never optimal at all


besides that i wouldnt know how to convince u bc ur vote is based off stuff we cant see
wisdom voting there should be another red flag but you tr him

No, you don’t know what is happening in the hood but Wisdom was in Overkill 2, so he does have a pretty good idea of what I’m talking about. FL was counting on my kowtowing and getting into line - something I doubt he’d try to pull in the main thread.

Why is Wisdom voting FL a “red flag”? He tr me, knows exactly what FL did to me, in Overkill 2, so why wouldn’t he believe me?

I would be more than happy to either direct quote or paraphrase what FL said to me but I need mod permission first. It looks to me like he has Xtoxm thouroughly pocketed and PB, is the only other witness.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod, can you remove me from the hood, it’s not friendly there anymore. :/

Am I allowed to direct quote from the neighbourhood? Yes or no? I want everyone to know exactly the kind of shit, FL is trying to pull in our hood.

If he have the audacity to post here what he did in there, he’d be quicklynched in no time flat but he thinks he can pressure me and threaten me into sr sheep and it ain’t fucking happening FL. You aren’t scaring me but I’m uberpissed that you really thought I was that fucking stupid, that you could get away with this crap, twice in a row.

I played with town!you in YGM and you never once tried to pull this shit on me. It’s not fucking working, so get the fuck off of me!

Ill vote FL for that

I'll say that I see nothing in the hood that feels different to what he's said here in the main thread. I feel like Nancy just massively misrepped FL, and is hiding behind "i'm not allowed to quote anything from the hood".

Why are you lying?

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah I'd guess you can't direct quote but it's not specifically in the ruleset that I see

a paraphrased summary of most of the last page of the neighborhood was Flavor telling me to find another scumread or I'd wind up with people suspicious of me later today, him asking xtomx to just say that varsoon claimed hybrid jester/lyncher from the beginning (which does sound like a dumb joke to me but it still sure is a garbage claim and idea), xtomx having a few reads, xtomx and flavor talking about wanting to lynch sheep, and flavor saying that if there's scum in the neighborhood its nancy and that he can tell that nancy knows he's town.

+1

Yeah, pretty much. He basically warned me not to oppose him because I’m

scum

someone who’s recently had a lobotomy

knows he’s town

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I feel like Nancy just massively misrepped FL, and is hiding behind "i'm not allowed to quote anything from the hood".

why would she do that when there are others in the hood who can call her out on it

Lucky for me, PB is actually telling the truth.

I don’t like that Xtoxm flat out lied about what FL said.

[Nancy Drew 39]

why are YOU lying?
you are hard in my scum pool now
PBs summary clearly shows all of those things have already been said in main thread
nancy is scum with sheep and shes working hard to save him and misrepping FL

I am telling the truth and PB just backed me up. You and FL must really think, we’re all freaking idiots here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hi i'm alive

fl is like, ok i guess? i still wanna lynch gamma, if xtoxm wagon is a thing i could do that too.

I think FL and Xtoxm are both scum or else Xtoxm wouldn’t be lying about me but Flavor is open wolfing in the hood. Lynch either one and guarandamnteed, the other Nks me tonight anyway.

I’m not sure about Gamma but FL and Xtoxm are outed scum now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i dont play mafia to be insulted.
fuck you.

mod replace me

Insult you? Hardly. I told the truth and you straight up accused me of lying, when PB totally backed me up. Is he lyng as well?

No need to get nasty here, just because you and FL got caught. Jesus!

[Nancy Drew 39]

the conclusion here is clearly i am the best at facts

and that nancy maybe you should specify/quote what you think xtomx is actually lying about in the neighborhood with xtomx so you can communicate about it instead of talking past each other

i might make like a readslist later after I read over all the stuff flavor said in thread over the weekend and comment about that, i'm prob not going to bother pushing anyone for a while tho considering that it seems borderline impossible to lynch scum until we get some of the 4 non-voters who are being replaced actually back into the game

or we could have a 5th needed replacement sure why not

Xtoxm is lying here about what I said about FL, which you just proved. He is falsely accusing me of misrepping FL, which we both know isn’t true.

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit. I know what FL said to me. I tried to give Xtoxm the benefit of doubt, when he falsely accuses me of something that he knows isn’t true. FL is pissed that I am not on boatd with lynching sheep. That apparently makes me scum, because I don’t need a building to fall on me.

FL open wolfed and I called him out on it and then Xtoxm accuses me of lying about something that anyone who reads what I did, will come to the same exact conclusion. I am not about to be bullied into doing anything. Prior to FL going off on me, they were both campaigning and trying to recruit me into voting sheep despite townreading him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Real questions: Could FL actions in hood be explained by him trying to "trap/trick" someone else to prove the other person is scum?

He warned me not to oppose him. That’s the part PB forgot. He was mad, I was getting in the way of his coveted sheep lynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@nancy - i mean xtomx said that what flavor said to you is already in the main thread, which for the 'hatcheting' thing is true

@vax- i do
there are no deadlines and people aren't interested enough in the game to stick it out when lynches are going to take a month+ to happen
you can say that they shouldn't have signed up when they can't even bother to read like 3 pages a day to catch up which is true but most people just don't put in the effort to push the game forwards themselves instead of just lurking or leaving when other people don't do it either

Where?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod, please replace me.

He said, I couldn’t withdraw from the hood. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

i dont play mafia to be insulted.
fuck you.

mod replace me

Insult you? Hardly. I told the truth and you straight up accused me of lying, when PB totally backed me up. Is he lyng as well?

No need to get nasty here, just because you and FL got caught. Jesus!

I mean, you didn’t tell the truth.

I half believe that you believe what you’re saying, though.

I don’t get mad at people in games anymore, so I’m unsure what you’re referring to.

I only had one post that was directed at you, and i meant it in a sassy charming kind of way.

Especially because I just counted that Hatcheting term last game, and i wanted to use it again.

I will vote or not vote, for whomever I damn well please. No one tells me who to vote for and abusing the hood mechanic to pressure me to do your bidding, isn’t acceptable to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

We’re just on two sides of the coin now, Drew. We’re both confident in a different read on a player.

To be fair, unless you’re bonkers good at AtE, which I imagine you would be, but not here, I no longer have a scum lean on you.

I never ever fake my emotions. If you remember my posts in Overkill 2, you’d know that.

I felt like you and Xtoxm were trying to get me to vote for sheep and you were sr for refusing to go along with it and disagreeing with you in the main thread.

I feel that this whole neighbourhood mechanic, puts me in an extremely uncomfortable position.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I feel that this whole neighbourhood mechanic, puts me in an extremely uncomfortable position.

you can just choose to not read it ya know

I don’t want to be in it, period and apparently that isn’t possible. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean, i’m an actor, so I don’t fake the emotion when I get into it, even as scum, but that’s creating it. I’m pretentious.

But I get what you’re trying to say.


I think things got misconstrued.

I’m town, though. Nancy.

I don’t want to pressured on my reads or who I choose to vote for. Which is what it felt like.

[Nancy Drew 39]

At the same time, couldn’t that be taken both ways? We disagree on the Sheep read. That doesn’t make me scum. Sheep has actually misrepped me, which I made many cases through the last pages.

Even if it ends up being incorrect, the case on him isn’t bad.

I really don’t know what the case on me is for instance.

Everyone’s just saying “his posting, his posting!!””

People need to get over that! I just finished a couple games where people said my posting style is suspicious. Town both of those games.

When did I ever say, you disagreeing with my sheep read, made you scum? My issue was feeling pressured to vote for him, despite tr him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I’m obviously going to try and get people to vote Sheep. That’s the nature of the game. I don’t think that’s wrong of me to try and get people to lynch the people I’m hard scum reading, the person who was blatantly misrepping me.

Like honestly, I think Sheep is so hard scum, and people just like Sheep, and I’m talking a lot, so people decided to not go me.

2 people in this game, Gamma and Vaxkiller, 2 people who have consistently read me well and know me pretty well, have stated they lockdown read me. They’re the two that know me best in this game.

@Nancy - you keep saying to just prove it in the main thread, I feel like I have. I’ve done more analysis than anyone in this day phase, I believe. And I got misrepped for it. Should I just be okay with being misrepped by Sheep so blatantly?

You know it was what happened in the neighbourhood that endgame dejavu.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I’m obviously going to try and get people to vote Sheep. That’s the nature of the game. I don’t think that’s wrong of me to try and get people to lynch the people I’m hard scum reading, the person who was blatantly misrepping me.

Like honestly, I think Sheep is so hard scum, and people just like Sheep, and I’m talking a lot, so people decided to not go me.

2 people in this game, Gamma and Vaxkiller, 2 people who have consistently read me well and know me pretty well, have stated they lockdown read me. They’re the two that know me best in this game.

@Nancy - you keep saying to just prove it in the main thread, I feel like I have. I’ve done more analysis than anyone in this day phase, I believe. And I got misrepped for it. Should I just be okay with being misrepped by Sheep so blatantly?

You know it was what happened in the neighbourhood that felt like Overkill endgame dejavu.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is not my scum game. I wouldn’t have this wagon on me as scum.

Like, I just wouldn’t. You saw how I was in that game, Nancy. I was crazy and ridiculous and still never once got a wagon on that game.

I’m much more logical and analytical, and I have much more pressure on me than I ever did there.

You replaced in.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma Emerald - town
Kokichi Oma - town
Vaxkiller - town
Ausuka - could be either
hebichan - likely scum
TheBrie - town
Party Boat - town
Trekkie99 - town
singletonking - could be either
Theta Alpine - null
light_ganski - scum
Purrcocet - town
Wisdom - lean scum
Xtoxm - town
Edosurist - who?
Jaylow7 - probably inactive town
vonflare - town
sheepsaysmeep - If Sheep is town, nancy’s Scum.
Nancy Drew 39 - if nancy’s Town, Sheep is scum.
Wagonomics - town


Do with it what you will. I’m gonna leave this game for a day or so. Don’t feel like putting the effort in anymore. Most effort and trying to work with other townies apparently is just manipulative.

How do you come up with sheep and me, being different alignments?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I also want to bring up the

Party Boat <— Sheep <— Nancy

Chain of pocketing.

Zero chance there isn’t scum within that.

I’ve been staying in the neighborhood that I think of anyone of the people in my neighborhood is scum, it’s Nancy. Unfortunate that Nancy is actively going against things now.

Yeah, this is why I’m still voting you. I know you don’t really believe this. I’m not the idiot you take me for.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I like Ausuka’s take, and considered voting Xtoxm, but when Nancy wanted to replace out I figured cutting the root was the smart move, and taking out the replacer could come later.

I probably still will, unless I’m likely to be the NK tonight. I don’t want to be here D3 and that might be the only way to get out of this game. :/

The whole hood drama, has killed any remaining enthusiasm I had left for this game. Eventhough I’m not angry at anyone, I’m just done with it. Sorry guys.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy and I are even on better terms in the neighborhood than in the main thread.

Yeah but what’s done is done yah know?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh and <3 you, Purr. You were the one light for me in this game and you made it not 100% suck for me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The whole hood drama, has killed any remaining enthusiasm I had left for this game.

I'm not worth enthusiasm?

For serious tho, I will try to make this game fun if you stick in it with me, but I completely understand if you want to leave. I was supposed to be asleep like 3 hours ago, so probably not tonight, but I'd be down to talk reads particularly about Sheep and FlavorBoonLeafSkiies.

Pretty much I think you're scumreading him for being manipulative when he's always manipulative, and the :angryfacefornottownreadingme: reaction from him makes him likely town.

The whole Xtoxm thing was kind of the last straw for me in this game. I didn’t insult him or anyone else in this game, either in the main thread or the hood, so that did it for me sorry.

Gl guys. I think maybe without the hood, it would have been more tolerable. Ironically Varsoon was the best thing about the hood but I still found it adversely compromised my play in this game, probably because I really like Varsoon.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh and <3 you, Purr. You were the one light for me in this game and you made it not 100% suck for me.

I would love to be masons with you, always. <3 <3 <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh and Wagon also added the fun factor. Loved thise scum matket analysis.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod, please replace me

.

He said, I couldn’t withdraw from the hood. :/

It’s official now. Have fun guys.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Pls don’t, we’ve had too many replacements today already

I already told Xyzzy. Unless I can guarantee being the NK, I don’t want to be here D3. Sorry. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Pls don’t, we’ve had too many replacements today already

I already told Xyzzy. Unless I can guarantee being the NK, I don’t want to be here D3. Sorry. :/

I mean I’ve already confirmed it with him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Help us lynch Flavor and upon his scum flip I’m certain you’ll be scum’s top priority.

I already voted him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Help us lynch Flavor and upon his scum flip I’m certain you’ll be scum’s top priority.

I already voted him.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I was tr Varsoon but FL is pulling the same kind of crap on me, he did in Overkill 2 and he’s never fucking fooling me again.

I’m referring to the hood. This is a big part of why I want to replace out, ever since Varsoon replaced out.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Help us lynch Flavor and upon his scum flip I’m certain you’ll be scum’s top priority.

One game (on MU) I replaced out of, they NK’d my replacement, before they got to make a single post but they NK’d solely because I replaced out.

You’re saying I wait until SOD 3?

I dunno, they could still NK my slot anyway, right?

[Nancy Drew 39]

You can still continue to push him.

I’m voting him. What more do you think I can do?

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy flavor isnt scum

I could switch to Xtoxm then, one of them has to be.

[Nancy Drew 39]

unlikely as well

gamma, ausuka, singleton are my choices

Ausuka wants to lynch Gamma and why single?

Xtoxm was very different here than in Starcraft 1. Before Leo flip, I was convinced that if anyone in the hood was likely scum, it was him. I still don’t like FL pushing me in the hood like he did. I wasn’t even se him, let alone voting him, at that point.

FL is tr Gamma, I think?

Btw, as soon as Xyzzy gets my PM, it’s over.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Flavor and Nancy <3

UNVOTE:

Fuck it, I’m pocketed. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I told Xyzzy, I would give it one more day and see how things go.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Flavor and Nancy <3

UNVOTE:

Fuck it, I’m pocketed. :/

No vote me again. I feel bad when you Unvote me because I feel like you feel I’m tricking you. That’s not the case.

I don’t know if you are or not but it’s working in either case. Fuck me. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m going to be so upset if you are just manipulating my emotions, Nancy. Because I’m definitely seeing you as town now.

I am and I’m thinking that sheep may just be reading you incorrectly but I think he sincerely believes his read on you. I can’t say why all of the reasons why I’m so confident about my sheep read but there are way too many town tells in his posting, for him to ever be scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: nancyall this wahhh wahhh back n forth to play everyones emotions while generating nonsene

Is worthy of a vote

I’m trying to get NK’d you bastard. Thanks for fucking that up!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Its quite easy to play you Flavor

VOTE: Saudade

Just realized, he replaced my #1 scumread. I don’t like this post. It reads like he knows FL’s alignment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Saudade replaces Jaylow7.

I’m never unvoting this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Its quite easy to play you Flavor

Lots of noobs in this game i see

Flavor Leaf biggest one

Wait, if you think FL is a “noob”, on what basis do you make this post?

I think you just scumslipped. You can’t OOH say you think FL is a noob and then on the other, make this kind of statement.

These two statements are inconsistent. @Wisdom, he is bsing with the reasons he is voting me, he knows I was previously pushing his predecessor. I don’t like that he clearly has some kind of TMI on FL’s alignment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

tasty tasty tasty
im going to enjoy smashing you

Good, I’m looking forward to you killing me tonight.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy is town. Flavor has me convinced varsoon was town. Sheep IDK.

I’m thinking that they’re both town. I think sheep is probably tunnelled town here. And tbf, Varsoon didn’t really help matters with the fake cop guilty.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh and <3 you, Purr. You were the one light for me in this game and you made it not 100% suck for me.

I would love to be masons with you, always. <3 <3 <3

*HUG*

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: nancyall this wahhh wahhh back n forth to play everyones emotions while generating nonsene

Is worthy of a vote

I’m trying to get NK’d you bastard. Thanks for fucking that up!

you know you can vote yourself and we'll get you out of the game faster mate

I’m not gonna gamethrow because that’s anti-town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It was me ok

I murdered everyone

i did it for 20 spicy chicken nuggets from wendy's
ask katyusha

(nancy is town u fool)

<3

[Nancy Drew 39]

i did it for 20 spicy chicken nuggets from wendy's

Last time I was at Wendy's there was a feather in my chicken nuggets, so you know they're made of real chicken.

Ick

[Nancy Drew 39]

Saudade and I just have some history, Nancy.

Starting with me being an IC in his newbie game, and he won as scum.

Link?

[Nancy Drew 39]

potato = newbscum

So no reason not to kill it then?

I can very well see sheep being scum too. His latest posts seem really panicky when brought up against Varoon there, and that large post of his basically made no sense to me, dunno if it did for anyone else.

How did Varsoon react poorly to pressure, sheep?

VOTE: Sheep

Waffely sheep=town
Tunnelly sheep=scum

That’s how you can tell the difference.

Hey Nancy, can you talk to me about this? Cause sheep looks pretty tunnely wrt VarsoonLeaf slot and I can't remember anything particularly waffly from him. In fact, the only thing that stands out to me as waffly is:

meh i had some short second thoughts on cheeky last night for a bit but by now im pretty sure again that both of her and nancy are always town here

Which came immediately after you said that waffly him is town and was never really followed up on/explained. At least as far as I've read so far.

Well he said something on D1 about being paranoid about me and waffling a bit on his tr of me? Which is something he usually does as town. But he also has some posts that I just don’t see ever coming from scum, which show genuine townie frustration. I think he sincerely believes his read on Varsoon/FL.

[Nancy Drew 39]

have you played with nancy before

I think the Wisdom-Nancy dynamic is hilarious.

Why?

He knows my meta well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

BTW, Nancy:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=75231

Newbie FL and Saudade were in together.

Thanks. Iyo, is Saudade’s posting in that game, similar to here or not?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ugh. I don’t think gamma pushes a strategic replace out as scum

He does

He doesnt

He might. Gotta do what you gotta do sometimes.

Nah if it dont fit your character a little game dont bend it

Interesting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Prodge sorry. Dont feel.well

*HUGS*

Feel better.

[Nancy Drew 39]

2019-01-09 -

no deadlines mafia

Moderator:

xyzzy

Status:

day 2, 77 pages

Replacing:

hebichan, Theta Alpine, and

Nancy Drew 39

---

new post because honestly nesting several quotes with conflicting info is way too confusing but I want to make sure it's clear that replacements are still needed for this.

I cancelled the replace out.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what am i supposed to do


im done pretending i shouldnt have subbed out weeks ago

more than half the game and i clearly and rightfully do not want to play right now

someone needs to be majed

i would be wiliing to maj myself right now and it would help the gamestate

How?

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy

dude

I told him, I had changed my mind, so I was legit shocked to read that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

something really really wacky is going on with the votes?? jingle has 3 votes, wisdom has 0, there are 24 votes in the game? what's going on there?

xyzzy is a they btw.

Well, my accidental hydra slip got a prodge, no joke.

And apologies, “they”

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well... I'm a triple voter.

I'm pretty sure that xyzzy just keeps missing Wis's vote change.

Not sure where the other extra vote comes from.

Yes, I noticed and you are only the 2nd vote on sheep, who I feel pretty confident is town here. But he doesn’t semm to care anymore, so meh?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler: @Nancy

Hi I’m here not lurking just V/LA

this self consciousness that it might be interpreted as lurking sort of bothers me

and i v read varsoon outing the neighborhood on the belief that at least one of the people in it is a wolf

meh all this mechanical tlak that's happening makes it hard to get real alignment reads off of tbh

also im roughly at top of page 6 and sort of uncomfortable with how much mechanical talk varsoon has and the thread presence that comes with it but ive seen like no real sorting/reads off of posts in the game and getting pretty strongly paranoid that it could just be scum skating by past my radar by putting out mechanical role talk that isnt that hard to fake

Questions for Varsoon voters. Why does scum!Varsoon out the hood in the first place? Why not encourage all 4 of us, to keep it hiddden?

as i said earlier i think hoods are never-rarely ai

my original reaction was that it was likely villager motivated to out it with the reasons he used, but sort of decided it wouldnt really be hard to fake at all as wolf

it still slightly? holds me back but im comfortable voting him rn

looking at postcounts this game, gamma and varsson lead substantially yet (acknowledging that i rushed my read and prolly glossed over quite a bit) i remember no real solving content from either of them which is a pretty good simplification of my varsoon w read

varsoon's heavily slacked off since game start tbh

meh im reading up and leo's posts still feel sort of panicky/tryign to force something out to hopefully survie this day phase



i still just cant really put away the concern that this wagon suddenly appeared in like the span of a page and the varsoon wagon totally disappeared

sort of want other peoples thoughts on what they think that means if that wasnt a topic of discussion while i was gone

Sheep, you’ve been agreeing with Varsoon’s stance wrt the hood. I really don’t understand how he is your biggest scumread?

a) my read on him has nothing to do with agreeing on the hood

if you read my posting on him or open my iso and command f, it shouldnt be hard at all to see where im coming from or trace my progression clearly which should be a pretty sufficient summary from what i remember that i posted while reading his posting

this is a simplified compilation of things ive essentially talked about at points, but

look for like, actual reads or sorting from varsoon
not mechanical talk, but actual reads

anyone who townreads him is essentially letting him slip by off of his mechanics talk, and i originally townread? it but it's not hard to fake at all once i think more about it

and when you read more deeply into his mechanics stuff it's basically just "oh here's the neighborhood, i outed because i think there's a wolf in here i think, actually, there's a chance that there arent any wolves here and here's the probability and here are 20 reasons why" or smtg which is basically just useless and i cant even tell what he's supposed to be trying to say so no i dont see a stance to agree on

wagonomics ish talk below

b) i want to note for clarity that he might not even be my current scumread rn as im switching back and forth between leodanny and varsoon

but in terms of general stuff thats happened leodanny is like a varsoon 2.0 of this game

i scumread them off a similar premis where they were posting a lot and had a pretty noticable thread presence but after a more in depth look no content or solving
a wagon suddenly appeared on them after i tried pushing my uncomfort there for a bit, and soon they were really high up in votes
that original high posting high impact at point 1 is gone and they immediately drop in activity/wim/confidence and panic and go into posting to try to survive mode

the leodanny wagon is great and i support it, but varsoon was pressured, he responded terribly, and the pressure just went away and i think it's very important and am officially asking that some of the peopel who were originally on his wagon and ditched to at least maintain some of that pressure

(also while on the topic of wagons, the way his wagon just disappeared when another started emerging is nagl imo)

c) also if there's anything that stops me from just totally trusting you/putting you in the town core it's your unwavering defense and confidence in varsoon? like his wagon has been a prominent thing and youre arguing against it without budging and i'd expect you to at least reconsider or be somewhat paranoid or have at least some doubt with the amount of reasons that are being put forth against him because the basis for your defense on him is fairly weak from what ive read and if he flips wolf i turn straight to you

i scumread them off a similar premis where they were posting a lot and had a pretty noticable thread presence but after a more in depth look no content or solving
a wagon suddenly appeared on them after i tried pushing my uncomfort there for a bit, and soon they were really high up in votes
that original high posting high impact at point 1 is gone and they immediately drop in activity/wim/confidence and panic and go into posting to try to survive mode

this is the textbook wolf response to pressure when theyre getting by with a majority being comfortable/v reading them until a wagon suddenly appears

and it's exactly what varsoon did

the varsoon wagon was still a large thing earlier, i never saw anything or any reasons supporting the fact that it just disappeared, and ive argued multiple timesi for another wagon and it's just been ignored


the resistance to wagoning varsoon is so tangible

tbh if leo is v he at least gets easier to sort down the line? while varsoon is blatantly just not going to do anything

just read this literally what came up when i command f'ed varsoon in my iso

can everyone at least read through this once because it's really frustrating and demoralizing that no one is really acknowledging my tunnel or arguing against anything ive said here except like one person and ive already given them an obligatory townread for doing that

individual of who he was tunneling, I found it not hard to buy that kokichis tunnel was genuine

leos posting was very very tunnelable and I was part tunneling him at one point


im ok w/maybe v leaning kokichis tunnel there

also after flavor's self vote im basically going to tunnel this slot to flip

yes im acknowledgly going to tunnel try pushing that if you want

Nancy, when you get a chance could you reconcile ^ with your nontunnelly sheep is town read for me?

I have played numerous games with sheep and believe I am reasonably good at tonereading him and he reads town to me but since he no longer cares about being in the game . . . \_0_/

However, I can’t imagine scum!sheep ever reacting like this, so, eh.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oooooh! I have the power to make literally any wagon I want the biggest wagon. Now accepting offers for bribes to change my vote.

Yoi should mod another jester game and have that role in it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think there’s the possibility you could be getting Warlock’d by Sheep, Nancy.

What does that mean? “Warlocked”?

[Nancy Drew 39]

wish girls irl would give me as much attention as Nancy does

Why do I get the feeling this is a town post

this post is like not even game related though? why is it towny to you?

Because I like the way he reacts to Nancy’s focus on him
Like it feels extremely organic and carefree, which even from him I doubt scum do.

I made that mistake in MU Ditto game, tr scum!dp for being genuinely upset about how his illness affected his participation in the game. That is 100% NAI, to be genuine about anything not game related.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oooooh! I have the power to make literally any wagon I want the biggest wagon. Now accepting offers for bribes to change my vote.

make them stop stalling the sheep lynch
vonflare is still mafia

No, because sheep is town here and those recent posts of his, further convince of that. Can all of the people who are sr him, please tell me, why scum!him, hasn’t walked back his Varsoon/FL read and focused instead on a more lynchable wagon? Like, what is the scum motivation for sheep not to back down here?

I can read sheep and it majority sucks that I am not at liberty to fully explain but I bet money, sheep flips green here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

wish girls irl would give me as much attention as Nancy does

Why do I get the feeling this is a town post

this post is like not even game related though? why is it towny to you?

Because I like the way he reacts to Nancy’s focus on him
Like it feels extremely organic and carefree, which even from him I doubt scum do.

I made that mistake in MU Ditto game, tr scum!dp for being genuinely upset about how his illness affected his participation in the game. That is 100% NAI, to be genuine about anything not game related.

Yeah, well that’s different. I can be upset at something as both alignments. Saudade responding in that way tells me he regards the pressure as something to poke fun at, not a problem to be dealt with.

Do you have meta on him, because otherwise, still NAI for me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

can we nominate me as jesus lord scum hunter and sheep every vote of mine for the next 2 days to excite the game state

You’re doing a bang up job, so far.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Not really. And it’s fine if you don’t get what I’m putting down, as long as you’re not trying to lynch him. It’s just how I read him.

For me, unless you have meta on him backing that up, I read that as NAI.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like, I do have meta with him, but it honestly makes it more shaky as he’s a bit of a jokey player
But it’s a matter of principle rather than a case-by-case thing here, I don’t think anyone responds that casually as scum

I disagree, it depends on the player. Hence, the meta question.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like, I do have meta with him, but it honestly makes it more shaky as he’s a bit of a jokey player
But it’s a matter of principle rather than a case-by-case thing here, I don’t think anyone responds that casually as scum

I disagree, it depends on the player. Hence, the meta question.

Not saying you’re wrong, just this isn’t true for EVERYONE. Scum!FL was pretty damn casual in Overkill 2, for example.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like, I do have meta with him, but it honestly makes it more shaky as he’s a bit of a jokey player
But it’s a matter of principle rather than a case-by-case thing here, I don’t think anyone responds that casually as scum

I disagree, it depends on the player. Hence, the meta question.

Not saying you’re wrong, just this isn’t true for EVERYONE. Scum!FL was pretty damn casual in Overkill 2, for example.

I’m always casual, though. That’s just a personality trait until I get hot headed.

You always seem really chill, it must take a lot to make that happen.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oooooh! I have the power to make literally any wagon I want the biggest wagon. Now accepting offers for bribes to change my vote.

make them stop stalling the sheep lynch
vonflare is still mafia

No, because sheep is town here and those recent posts of his, further convince of that. Can all of the people who are sr him, please tell me, why scum!him, hasn’t walked back his Varsoon/FL read and focused instead on a more lynchable wagon? Like, what is the scum motivation for sheep not to back down here?

I can read sheep and it majority sucks that I am not at liberty to fully explain but I bet money, sheep flips green here.

why
wont
u
trust
me




Ok but really he doesn't need to worry about which of his reads he pretends to push
majority is like 13 He has maybe most of the active players besides Fl and I townreading him

And he can just be like uwu apathy
But really we're just stalled on a scum lymch

Purr, trust ME on this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: sheep

This lynch will give us tons to discuss tomorrow. If he flips scum than FL is halfway confirmed town is this is multiball.

Really don't like gammas vote but I think I'll vote
VOTE: sheep

You guys are wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Conspiracy theory:
Xtom rescinded their replacement request because the entire scum team replaced out, but he likes the new scum team replacements.

In what world do you ever think Xtoxm is scum with sheep?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m down for Sheep still, but I think I like Gamma a little more rn.

It took me a very long time to figure out how to correctly read sheep but once I did, I haven’t been wrong even once.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m down for Sheep still, but I think I like Gamma a little more rn.

I’m torn between Vax and Gamma rn. I don’t think both of them can be town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

We dont need to compromise because thhere is no deadlines

But if anyone believes vonflaires a death miller then I am a 4 month pgo joat neighborizer

real clame or bad attempt at satire?

Probably town because Purr is obviously joking.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh they r that person

wat

His scummates told him someone claimed IC

That is a very viable theory tbh

Something weird going on between Kokichi, Gamma and Vax.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Xtoxm rescinded his replacement request and is no longer being replaced.

normally I would put a votecount here but, listen, I'm eating soup right now and then I have to go get my headlight replaced, so, like, there will be one after that

VOTE: Xtoxm
Hell no. I was already suspecting a strategic replace out, I’m not letting this slide.

Conspiracy theory:
Xtom rescinded their replacement request because the entire scum team replaced out, but he likes the new scum team replacements.

Coincidence?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Conspiracy theory:
Xtom rescinded their replacement request because the entire scum team replaced out, but he likes the new scum team replacements.

Really don't like gammas vote but I think I'll vote
VOTE: sheep

VOTE: Vax

[Nancy Drew 39]

Conspiracy theory:
Xtom rescinded their replacement request because the entire scum team replaced out, but he likes the new scum team replacements.

Naaah.

Prodge post here. Busy weekend, life, stupid stuff.

I don't think I mentioned Vax in my lasts reads (or lack of them) post. I'd been uncomfortable with him earlier, but I liked his tone when he was interecting with Varsoon. (Though the timing was bad. Lately, not so great.

Also, what happened to Theta? We said Theta would be self resolving, but with so much else going on... I don't know what scum will do if Theta is town, and I'm worried about why Theta has been inactive. Probably lack of interest, but Theta, if you're town, do come be helpful.

She’s being replaced.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually on Vax, he seems kinda careless and guileless, but his votes are all of the place, and he's not hanging onto consistent thoughts. Which still doesn't mean scum. Bother. i was oping I'd find a better reason to vote him. Better than Nancy, Ausuka and oh, someone else, also voting him.
And looking deeper his hard TRing Flavour, then changing to voting him does make sense, but Flavour wagon wasn't going anywhere, so he's gone somewhere more useful.

Nancy, you quoted two posts from Vax, when you voted him, but you didn't give an explanation. Why do you think he's scum? It's not because he's voting your precious sheep?
(Granted, the post hwere he vote's sheep is one of his worst.)

Vax, why are you voting sheep? And why do you think Gamma's vote on you was bad? (Other than it being on you, and you being firmly convinced of your own innocence. (Or faking it. Take your pick.))

Gamma is actually doing stuff to push the game forward. Trying to get people to vote (Which I'm still not) and I think he's town.

He makes a post that tin foiling about the entire scumteam being replaced and then he votes sheep. How does this make any sense to you at all?

And why are Ausuka and me in particular, good votes?

Because I’m good at reading sheep off of meta and therefore don’t want to lynch one of my strongest townreads? Yeah, I can see why you’d find that suspicious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit. Just reread your post, it seems that your main reasons for scumreading me, Ausuka and ___ are our votes on Vax? How is that ever a good reason to scumread anyone?

I may be hard townreading sheep but unlike you, I’m not making the bizarre illogical leap, that all votes on him, are necessarily scummy.

I could also vote Gamma or put my vote back on Saudade or maybe even you because I find your Vaxwagon=scum, very concerning.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Two pages ago I was rather liking Varsoon, but now, not so much. His reasoning for not especially hunting in the hood seemed sounds, to me, the stuff about multiball throwing everything offf... Sure he's allowed to dislike multiball, but I'd think he should know how to scum hunt in multiball by now, so it seems rather stupid what he's saying.

Furthermore, it's PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to balance against the swing inherit in a multiball setup.
I have NEVER seen it done.

You expected the game to be balanced?


I'm liking sheepsaysmeep.

Oh, and does anyone know what Wagonomics is about? His whole wagon value thing just seems weird. Like he's busy playing his own game of randomness on top of the main game. It doesn't give a read either way, but still weird.

Helpless and hungry, lowly, afraid
Wrapped in the chill of midwinter;
Comes now among us, born into poverty’s embrace,
New life for the world

Can I get someone to be my vote/wagon broker?
I am not good at playing the markets.

Me neither. Wagonomics is just weird. I should probably do meta on him.

Collapsed to shorten the post.

Spoiler:

sheepsaysmeep replaces Porkens.

YEEET

Oh good, it looks like Cheeky may have been right on Porkens.

Liking Cheeky, sheep and Brie so far I think.

wat

Which part?

Cheeky townread Porkens, who was sheep’s predessor and I think sheep is town here.

Though I also think sheep is town (Not great town though), Cheeky's townread on porkens was based on one post which only contained a single vote, that lined up with what Cheeky was thinking at time. That's a NAI post, possibly leaning slightly to town, as Porkens did add any kind of excuse and scum tend to that sometimes. Cheeky being right on Porkens seems like dumb luck.

Hark how the bells, sweet silver bells, all seem to say, throw cares away. Christmas is here, bringing good cheer, to young and old, meek and the bold.

Actually on Vax, he seems kinda careless and guileless, but his votes are all of the place, and he's not hanging onto consistent thoughts. Which still doesn't mean scum. Bother. i was oping I'd find a better reason to vote him. Better than Nancy, Ausuka and oh, someone else, also voting him.
And looking deeper his hard TRing Flavour, then changing to voting him does make sense, but Flavour wagon wasn't going anywhere, so he's gone somewhere more useful.

Nancy, you quoted two posts from Vax, when you voted him, but you didn't give an explanation. Why do you think he's scum? It's not because he's voting your precious sheep?
(Granted, the post hwere he vote's sheep is one of his worst.)

Vax, why are you voting sheep? And why do you think Gamma's vote on you was bad? (Other than it being on you, and you being firmly convinced of your own innocence. (Or faking it. Take your pick.))

Gamma is actually doing stuff to push the game forward. Trying to get people to vote (Which I'm still not) and I think he's town.

Actually, did I misconstrue your post? You meant better reasons to vote Vax, not that his voters were scum? If so, sorry about that and scumread on you retracted.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'd vote Gamma over Vax here, tbh. Not really digging either wagon tho.

Add Ausuka to my scumz list.

VOTE: Gamma

Saudade/Jaylow is still my #1 scumread.

Wisdom seems to be able to read Gamma, like I do sheep.

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw at person
party boat bragged in the hood that id never get more than 3 votes on him today
you have 3 votes
wanna make him lose the brag

Yes. Yes I do.

VOTE: Party Boat

the claim does nothing for me

Agreed. Gamma wagon viability doesn't change because of the claim. Still don't particularly care to lynch Gamma.

That post was over a week old

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw at person
party boat bragged in the hood that id never get more than 3 votes on him today
you have 3 votes
wanna make him lose the brag

Yes. Yes I do.

VOTE: Party Boat

the claim does nothing for me

Agreed. Gamma wagon viability doesn't change because of the claim.

Still don't particularly care to lynch Gamma

.

What do you make of this, @Wisdom?

PB made that post like on January freaking 6th!.

So, FL and Xtoxm are never w/w and FL is also never w/w with Jingle either.

FL isn’t opposed to Gamma lynch, so Gamma scum, townlocks FL, I think.

This sudden weird push on PB, just conveniently happening as Gamma wagon gets some traction?

Another good look for Flavor, there was virtually no resistance to his wagon.

Also, Jingle is it just my imagination or do you seem very different here than in Overkill 1?

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw at person
party boat bragged in the hood that id never get more than 3 votes on him today
you have 3 votes
wanna make him lose the brag

Yes. Yes I do.

VOTE: Party Boat

the claim does nothing for me

Agreed. Gamma wagon viability doesn't change because of the claim.

Still don't particularly care to lynch Gamma

.

What do you make of this, @Wisdom?

PB made that post like on January freaking 6th!.

So, FL and Xtoxm are never w/w and FL is also never w/w with Jingle either.

FL isn’t opposed to Gamma lynch, so Gamma scum, townlocks FL, I think.

This sudden weird push on PB, just conveniently happening as Gamma wagon gets some traction?

Another good look for Flavor, there was virtually no resistance to his wagon.

Also, Jingle is it just my imagination or do you seem very different here than in Overkill 1?

VOTE: Jingle

[Nancy Drew 39]

And @Xtoxm, how is a statement of fact, a “brag”, exactly? And if PB’s January 6th post was such an alleged game changer, why did it take you 8 days to mention it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

tbf

jingle didn't know it was from like a week+ ago

True but don’t you think his vote on you was strange? Also, I played with Jingle in Overkill 1 and he seems very different here.

Town!Jingle is much more easygoing, open, fun. His tone seems off. It’s a really nuts reason to vote for someone. I think if Jingle flips red, so does Xtoxm and maybe Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Gamma

[Nancy Drew 39]

gamma's claim doesnt move me

also yeah nancy is dropping heavily for me

this My face every time u b posting

Sheep is plain wrong, wrong wrong.

I almost think there’s a conspiracy to prevent me being the NK. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

i actually don't understand how vaxkiller is town? like the only arguments i've really seen are fl saying "this is vax as a back pocket mislynch!" which doesn't really make sense because it's day 2 right now? and i don't really see that, otoh from what i remember from some past games with vax he was pretty towny as town in general and i think there was some "too scummy to be scum" in there too which is a fallacy; if someone is being scummy maybe they're just scum, it doesn't just loop around to them being town + i didn't remember that kind of resistance particularly w/leodanny? like correct me if i missed anything but everyone seemed pretty on board with that so i don't get how that applies here but not there.

i started suspecting vax after 1408 for reasons i explained back then; his vote didn't make sense at all.

flav leaf lock town

@mod, can you remove me from the hood, it’s not friendly there anymore. :/

Am I allowed to direct quote from the neighbourhood? Yes or no? I want everyone to know exactly the kind of shit, FL is trying to pull in our hood.

If he have the audacity to post here what he did in there, he’d be quicklynched in no time flat but he thinks he can pressure me and threaten me into sr sheep and it ain’t fucking happening FL. You aren’t scaring me but I’m uberpissed that you really thought I was that fucking stupid, that you could get away with this crap, twice in a row.

I played with town!you in YGM and you never once tried to pull this shit on me. It’s not fucking working, so get the fuck off of me!

Ill vote FL for that

flavour leaf is locktown but nancy makes an angry post about flavour in the hood (it's not at all clear at this point what fl actually did) and like suddenly that locktown read suddenly melts while he's being wagoned? i don't really buy this explanation?

I think this is scum Kokichi

Can I convince inyone in as few as words as possible that Kochiki is scum?

the leap in confidence here is concerning.

Really don't like gammas vote but I think I'll vote
VOTE: sheep

this vote is what made me instantly flip to voting him because he was just voting FL, then kokichi, and now sheep's being wagoned he just goes for sheep. I mean, this post contains 1 reason to vote Gamma and 0 to vote Sheep. From FL to Sheep to Gamma I think he's just going for all the suspects that are popular at the time and jumping between them whenever he feels like it.

You have it completely backwards. I was scumreading him due to that thing which happened in the hood but his almost being wagoned made me think he was town, due to lack of resistance.

But I know he knows I’m town here, so if he says otherwise, I may need to revisit that. We’ll see.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Xtoxm: Why you posting reads in the Neighborhood and not the real thread? Apparently your neighborhood content is what makes PB townread you, so why isn't it relevant for mass consumption? Also, what is your neighborhood content?

PB, FL, feel free to weigh in.

it's prob not as substantial as you think for one thing

it's like him not liking people who wanted to lynch leo and an early sheep scumread with an actual legit reason behind it, plus some casual talk with varsoon/flavor that felt genuine and that's pretty much it

I just like it and if it wasn't there I would prob be very fine with burning his slot into the ground like a few other people seem to want to at the moment

You are townreading him because he didn't like the wagon on flipped town but did fuckall in the main thread to derail the lynch and because he was fluffing? I continue to want to give the Party Boat a Viking Funeral.

hey i mentioned a sheep read in there too

he feels like badtown I've seen in the past (vezokpiraka, Furcolow) who were playing objectively poorly to everyone else but seemed to have no self-awareness of it whatsoever while being stubbornly, genuinely sure of everything they're doing

and sure I could be wrong but I'm gonna follow my gut on this for now and you can follow yours and we can both see where that gets us later

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

mastina replaces Theta Alpine! wow no more replacements

ever

*

*I can dream

I might still be replacing out, sorry. I’m haven’t 100% decided yet. I’ve just been way too much stressed recently and not sure I can handle too much more rn. Sorry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, I’ve never played with town you while I was town except for in You’ve got Mail, which I replaced in late and didn’t do anything else.

I don’t understand that thought process.

You were also a hydra basically every time I’ve played with you. Idk if we have a complete game together where we were T/T, and none of us were hydra.

I’ve been town in every game I’ve played with you and you said right after OK 2 postgame, how obviously I was town, which suggests that you do know how to read me. So, I’m not buying that you’re not in this game. Especially after what I’ve posted in the hood.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Right there, Nancy.

Every time you’ve been town. I don’t know your scum game. That right there is why there’s paranoia, and you should take that as a good thing.

I can give you links, if you’re interested?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Stay in this game, please. I wanna keep talking with you.

I dunno. :/

I’m still dealing with a lot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Saudade

Still think this is scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

As much as I'd like it, I don't know that I would force the thread to wait (expired on 2019-03-22 17:06:28) for 'optimal play'

In future games I sign up for, I would really like to be included in the signup thread, no insane mechanics. One can dream . . . . :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

ill lynch gamma, ausuka or singleton

leave vax alone

Why is single scum? Don’t understand Ausuka either but I really don’t get the single sr?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i actually don't understand how vaxkiller is town? like the only arguments i've really seen are fl saying "this is vax as a back pocket mislynch!" which doesn't really make sense because it's day 2 right now? and i don't really see that, otoh from what i remember from some past games with vax he was pretty towny as town in general and i think there was some "too scummy to be scum" in there too which is a fallacy; if someone is being scummy maybe they're just scum, it doesn't just loop around to them being town + i didn't remember that kind of resistance particularly w/leodanny? like correct me if i missed anything but everyone seemed pretty on board with that so i don't get how that applies here but not there.

i started suspecting vax after 1408 for reasons i explained back then; his vote didn't make sense at all.

flav leaf lock town

@mod, can you remove me from the hood, it’s not friendly there anymore. :/

Am I allowed to direct quote from the neighbourhood? Yes or no? I want everyone to know exactly the kind of shit, FL is trying to pull in our hood.

If he have the audacity to post here what he did in there, he’d be quicklynched in no time flat but he thinks he can pressure me and threaten me into sr sheep and it ain’t fucking happening FL. You aren’t scaring me but I’m uberpissed that you really thought I was that fucking stupid, that you could get away with this crap, twice in a row.

I played with town!you in YGM and you never once tried to pull this shit on me. It’s not fucking working, so get the fuck off of me!

Ill vote FL for that

flavour leaf is locktown but nancy makes an angry post about flavour in the hood (it's not at all clear at this point what fl actually did) and like suddenly that locktown read suddenly melts while he's being wagoned? i don't really buy this explanation?

I think this is scum Kokichi

Can I convince inyone in as few as words as possible that Kochiki is scum?

the leap in confidence here is concerning.

Really don't like gammas vote but I think I'll vote
VOTE: sheep

this vote is what made me instantly flip to voting him because he was just voting FL, then kokichi, and now sheep's being wagoned he just goes for sheep. I mean, this post contains 1 reason to vote Gamma and 0 to vote Sheep. From FL to Sheep to Gamma I think he's just going for all the suspects that are popular at the time and jumping between them whenever he feels like it.

Well that’s why I voted him but people were saying he’s town, I don’t know why but my read on Vax isn’t exactly strong either. \_0_ /

[Nancy Drew 39]

Happy scum day.

Thanks, I finally figured out that wasn’t MS speak for birthday.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town

ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim

Weak town

the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)

Eh

vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi

Weak scum

purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm

Scum

jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon

Puts Varsoon, Vonflare, and a lurker as the scum, and then has xtoxm, Gamma, and party in lean scum.

Vonflare is lynchbait, party vs Varsoon are going at each other while in same neighborhood, xtoxm doesn’t make sense as scum with varsoon, that’s way too buddy buddy, and Gamma is the counter wagon.

VOTE: Light

I’m going to here. I await your response.

Maybe not since I replaced in, but pretty early on.

One of the people I don’t know are scum. TheBrie, light ganski, purrk, or Singleton.

Also this. I have reason to town read TheBrie and Purrc now, and after learning Single was BNL, I can see it coming from a town mind regardless if I like it or not.

I'm generally pretty solid with my reads when I first replace in or do a big catchup.

I'm pretty happy with my vote for now.

Gamma I've come around on, emotional Gamma is town Gamma.

Sheep is meh, but I can see town.

I'm hesitant to town read Nancy because I'm unsure what her scum game is like and I town read PB and Xtoxm.

Good to know. God, I am such an idiot.

You think I would finally learn but nope.

[Nancy Drew 39]

mod: please replace me, thanks

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m tired of being tricked. Funny thing is I really thought FL was sincere about that writing dc.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town

ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim

Weak town

the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)

Eh

vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi

Weak scum

purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm

Scum

jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon

Puts Varsoon, Vonflare, and a lurker as the scum, and then has xtoxm, Gamma, and party in lean scum.

Vonflare is lynchbait, party vs Varsoon are going at each other while in same neighborhood, xtoxm doesn’t make sense as scum with varsoon, that’s way too buddy buddy, and Gamma is the counter wagon.

VOTE: Light

I’m going to here. I await your response.

Maybe not since I replaced in, but pretty early on.

One of the people I don’t know are scum. TheBrie, light ganski, purrk, or Singleton.

Also this. I have reason to town read TheBrie and Purrc now, and after learning Single was BNL, I can see it coming from a town mind regardless if I like it or not.

I'm generally pretty solid with my reads when I first replace in or do a big catchup.

I'm pretty happy with my vote for now.

Gamma I've come around on, emotional Gamma is town Gamma.

Sheep is meh, but I can see town.

I'm hesitant to town read Nancy because I'm unsure what her scum game is like and I town read PB and Xtoxm.

Good to know. God, I am such an idiot.

You think I would finally learn but nope.

Yeah, you can't act like this.

If you mean by that, trust the wrong people? *duly noted*

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gotta get over when people scum read you and not letting it be personal.

Cool, I hope my replacement is down with that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You're just making me feel bad for scum reading you, and that's just part of the game.

You can feel whatever you like - towards my replacement fam.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why is it that if I say I can see you as potential scum, it's way worse than if others do?

Ding, ding, we have a winner.

What part of my being in a neighbourhood with you, isn’t registering?

Plus, I wanted out and you talked me into changing my mind on that.

You read my SLOT however you like but

I’m

only staying if it’s fun.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vax is locktown. ScumVax wouldn’t be getting rung up here.

Is Vax town just because a wagon wouldn't be forming on ScumVax, or is there some other reason for your read that I missed.

also jingle if you wanted me dead before wait til you read this

now that we have what seems to be just about an ACTUAL FUNCTIONING GAME I'm gonna start jumping between wagons on my scumreads for a bit in the hopes of making an actual wagon happen that can in turn make things happen in the game

So everyone plz pretend that my vote is on all of Flavor/Saud/Ausuka for right now because it might as well be
VOTE: Saudade

Where's your Ausuka read come from?

mastina replaces Theta Alpine! wow no more replacements

ever

*

*I can dream

Yay, Mastina. (Do I know how to read Mastina from experience? Nope. Do I feel confident that Mastina couldn't trick me? Nope) But I like Mastina, liked the entrance, and I already had Theta as a town read.

(Do I feel confindent that no one could trick me? No, that would be stupid.)

ill lynch gamma, ausuka or singleton

leave vax alone

Why is single scum? Don’t understand Ausuka either but I really don’t get the single sr?

Single hasn't really done much at all. Actually one of the players I've kind of forgotten about. I suppose scum could be hiding there.


We're going to miss you Nancy. Also are you now implying that you do think Flavour is scum? Because it sounded kinda like that, and it would be nice to know what you're thinking.

I honestly don’t know what to think anymore. I didn’t like his initial push on me, then he charmed me with talk of how us townies were going to solve the game togethe and Discord writing chats and once again, for absolutely no good reason whatsoever, I feel like he’s trying to set me up as a possible mislynch down the road.

I just don’t understand why he wants me to remain in the game, so badly? I told him, he could have fun jerking around my replacement after all, so no one can accuse me of being unreasonable.

So, to answer your question, could be? I also don’t understand why he keeps pushing so many slots I think are town.

And thanks, that’s really sweet of you.

Maybe if I could choose my hood, I’d want to stay but that obviously ain’t happening.

<3

[Nancy Drew 39]

its not fun but replacing out is not nice

I was hoping to be NK’d but I don’t see that happening anytime soon, do you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't feel you'd feel the same way if Xtoxm/PB said the same thing, though


He's been stating he thinks Ausuka is scummy since before I got into the game, I think.

Which part?

I wanted to replace out initially BECAUSE of you, then I rescinded it once again BECAUSE of you, now I’m not sure if I care anymore. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

no but thats still selfish

you signed up to play the game

You’ve never once replaced out of a game?

I’m extremely stressed out rn. Is that a good enough reason for you and if you had any idea why, you totally wouldn’t blame me, for it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

no but thats still selfish

you signed up to play the game

You’ve never once replaced out of a game?

I’m extremely stressed out rn. Is that a good enough reason for you and if you had any idea why, you totally wouldn’t blame me, for it.

Nobody is going to blame you either way.

But can we vote Light?

How is Light scummy though?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have replaced out of like 10 games out of like 150 total

I only do it when I am positive that i cant play with this playerlist and if i stay i will harm the game

Well if you had any idea what I’ve been through recently, I would hope you’d be more understanding. :/

And I was force-replaced in RC uPick due time hydra confusion, so the only game I actually voluntarily replaced out of was CoH and that was because Jeanne’s horrible modding was seriously compromising my role integrity.

So, this would be the only replace out of mine (on this site), not currently inline with YOUR standards. I am NOT at all lying about being seriously overstressed either. I temp seriously considered siteflaking altogether, since my head is clearly not in this game and my replacement would clearly do a much better job than I obviously am.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler: Junk-tier VCA

I'll be doing real VCA after a real readthrough but doesn't hurt to do this before then.

7 players voting for

Leodanny

(Purrcocet,

profii

, hebichan, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom,

CheekyTeeky

, Kokichi Oma)
2 players voting for Varsoon (sheepsaysmeep, Jaylow7)
2 players voting for Jaylow7 (Party Boat, Nancy Drew 39)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (TheBrie, Ausuka)
2 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Vaxkiller, Varsoon)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Wagonomics)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (

Leodanny

)
7 players not voting (0verki11, singletonking,

Theta Alpine

, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare)

If we're going by my old-school rule, that'd be a 14-player wagon and a 8-player counterwagon, with a much smaller 2-player other wagon.

In a 24-player game, with what I assume is a PR-heavy game, we can safely assume six scum.

I'd wager that the division would probably be about 4 split between the two 7s, and 2 split between the 2s. 'Course, that doesn't do me much good without a better ability to narrow it down.

7 players voting for

Leodanny

(

profii

, Wisdom,

CheekyTeeky

, Kokichi Oma, Party Boat, TheBrie, sheepsaysmeep)
3 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Vaxkiller, Varsoon, Purrcocet)
2 players voting for Jaylow7 (hebichan, Nancy Drew 39)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Ausuka,

Leodanny

)
1 player voting for Varsoon (Jaylow7)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Wagonomics)
8 players not voting (0verki11, singletonking,

Theta Alpine

, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare, Gamma Emerald)

Since scum knew Leo was a mislynch, they could take whatever stance they wanted and were in no hurry to lynch him. I'd say the consistent pusher of him still alive--similarly to both the dead consistent pushers--would be more likely to be town. The people hopping off aren't necessarily scum, and neither are the people who hopped on, but I wouldn't call any of them town, either.

13 players voting for

Leodanny

(Wisdom, Kokichi Oma, TheBrie,

Theta Alpine

, sheepsaysmeep, Party Boat, Gamma Emerald,

CheekyTeeky

, Wagonomics, singletonking, hebichan, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Ausuka,

Leodanny

)
2 players voting for Varsoon (Jaylow7, Vaxkiller)
1 player voting for sheepsaysmeep (Purrcocet)
6 players not voting (0verki11, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare,

profii

)

I'd be flabbergasted if Not Voting had no scum; there's definitely at least one. I'd be a little surprised if it were three, though; my bet is on two.

Which would leave four scum elsewhere. In the 2/2/1 voters, I'd expect another scum, but probably not two.

On-wagon, then, you could have as many as 4 but more likely have 3.

Still doesn't really do me much good at this point, though. Garbage-tier VCA is garbage-tier. I don't have a frame of reference to significantly narrow down the pool of suspects from the VCA alone. The closest I have to an idea is basically an idea of where not to push, in the form of Wisdom being probtown.

To give a frame of reference:
Two scum in sheep, Jay/Saudade, Party Boat, Nancy, TheBrie, Ausuka, Vaxkiller, Varsoon/Flavor Leaf
Four scum in {Purrcocet, hebichan/Enter, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom, Kokichi Oma}, {0verki11/Trekkie, singletonking, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist/Jingle, vonflare}

Two scum in 0verki11/Trekkie, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist/Jingle, vonflare
One scum in Ausuka, Jay/Saudade, Vaxkiller, Purrcocet
Three scum in TheBrie, sheepsaysmeep, Party Boat, Gamma Emerald, Wagonomics, singletonking, hebichan/Enter, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon/Flavor Leaf

Not much to go off of.
I'd probably sheep people on the Saudade suspicion right now, could maybe lynch Xtoxm, have some for TheBrie, and then would have three more in the pool of Trekkie, Light (not sure I want to sheep there unlike Saudade), Jingle, vonflare, sheep, Gamma, Wagonomics, singletonking, and Enter.

Which isn't much. A lynchpool of 3 + 9 players in a game with 21 players alive?
It needs to be, quite literally, half that size; the largest acceptable pool would be 9 but there's nobody on that list I've reason to eliminate right now (if I did I'd have done so already).

Also a lot of this already relies on assumption piled on assumption so any assumption wrong collapses the whole thing.

So like I said, trash-tier analysis, but it's what I'm going off of right now.

Wow, that was really helpful.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t wanna do math rn, actual reads please instead of a calculus exam?

I question if it’s even real, like she has similar players in all of these nonsensical groupings.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Should I claim now, or at L-1?

If you have a claim, better do it ASAP. Why would you want to give scum a chance to hammer?

ew.

Why? What’s wrong with this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

those two and i have literal opposite reads and fucking lol this game if it's v/v/v

what's v/v/v

I'd guess village/village/village but I don't know your abbreviations man

-------------------------

@Nancy - if you don't think you can deal with the game go ahead and PM xyzzy and make the replace out official, it'd be better to get it out of the way now than have you replace out in a week and stretch out the amount of gametime with missing players in it even further

Like I'd personally rather you stay in and post general reads/thoughts on the game less frequently instead of keeping with the amount of posting you're doing and responding to everyone and everything, but if you can't deal with Flavor and/or other people scumreading you replacing out now is going to be a lot better for the game than publicly considering replacing out every time the game doesn't go the way you want it to.

Okay, I’ll seriously consider doing that. It was a helluva lot easier before Varsoon replaced out. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why? What’s wrong with this?

Prolly should have waited til reads were dropped to see if people still wanted to L-1 him prior to claiming, just for preservation purposes.

I was trying to suggest that he claims before he is at risk of being hammered because in SC1, Mew waited to claim at L-1 and got mislynched, which probably wouldn’t have happened, had he claimed earlier.

[Nancy Drew 39]

People who have souls usually don't like me

I must be soulless then. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Has mastina always been in this game lol

If I were, I wouldn't have a need to read!

I also wouldn't be able to entertain you with stories.
Fun fact.
I considered replacing into this game much earlier.
Then I saw that the slot up for replacement was Xtoxm and went "fuck no, that's a scum slot, I've dealt with enough scum role PM shit".
VOTE: Xtoxm.

Welp, thank God, I can finally say this. I’m really glad you and sheep are town in this game. Yep, that’s why I was so certain sheep is town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Has mastina always been in this game lol

If I were, I wouldn't have a need to read!

I also wouldn't be able to entertain you with stories.
Fun fact.
I considered replacing into this game much earlier.
Then I saw that the slot up for replacement was Xtoxm and went "fuck no, that's a scum slot, I've dealt with enough scum role PM shit".
VOTE: Xtoxm.

Welp, thank God, I can finally say this. I’m really glad you and sheep are town in this game. Yep, that’s why I was so certain sheep is town here.

What?

Both were scum in the last game I played with them, which is in addition to my town toneread, I was so certain sheep had to be town here and since I townleaned Theta, Mastina probably is as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

votecount 2.14

4 players voting for Ausuka (Jingle, Jingle, Jingle, Wisdom)
4 players voting for Saudade (Wagonomics, Party Boat, Nancy Drew 39, TheBrie)
3 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Purrcocet, Trekkie99, singletonking)
3 players voting for Flavor Leaf (light_ganski, sheepsaysmeep, vonflare)
2 players voting for Vaxkiller (Kokichi Oma, Ausuka)
2 players voting for light_ganski (Flavor Leaf, Xtoxm)
2 players voting for Xtoxm (mastina, Gamma Emerald)
1 player voting for Gamma Emerald (Vaxkiller)
1 player voting for Nancy Drew 39 (Saudade)

1 player not voting (Enter)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to lynch.

mod notes: Nancy Drew 39 has rescinded her replacement request for now! hooray

<3

[Nancy Drew 39]

What is this ausuka wagon

you can change your life today by voting sheep

Do I gotta start meowing or something

Purr, sheep is town. I just finished a game with scum!sheep.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t understand the Ausuka wagon either.

Why not Saudade?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wisdom
Nancy Drew 39
vonflare
Party Boat
Flavor Leaf
Kokichi Oma

Enter
sheepsaysmeep
Wagonomics
Vaxkiller
Ausuka
light_ganski
Jingle
Purrcocet

Trekkie99
Gamma Emerald
TheBrie
singletonking
Saudade
Xtoxm

Okay so the names from pretty much Party Boat to light are highly flexible and in the bottom six the names there are largely interchangeable meaning this list is a rough of roughest drafts for a readslist but hey, it's here.

yeh this is really unrecognizable compared to the game where mastina just wolfed with me

pretty confident on her being villa rn

Yep, think so too.

If there was scum in the hood: Xtoxm was the one I was most suspicious about right from the getgo. Varsoon was initially leery of him and like overnight, they became the Bobsie twins or something.

Varsoon pulls this fake claim crap, as either alignment. But his initial posts in the hood, read townie to me. And FL almost got lynched without hardly any resistance, so.

Also, I doubt scum!Varsoon ever hard townreads me here. Ironically my #1 scumread, also said FL could be easily pocketed. Coincidence or what?

He was just pulling the ole bait and switch and FL is clearly pocketed by Saudade.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Its quite easy to play you Flavor

Sounds like he maybe has a TMI here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

So, the whole masonry thing makes sense now. Varsoon was tr me and PB and unsure about Xtoxm and when that changed he suddenly thought it was a masonry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Saudade

[Nancy Drew 39]

get on ausuka and the people who are actually town on there will follow

Why is Ausuka scum?

And no, that doesn’t necessarily follow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

get on ausuka and the people who are actually town on there will follow

Why is Ausuka scum?

And no, that doesn’t necessarily follow.

They will because ausuka is actually scum while saudade is just bait people are apathetically voting to end the day

None of what you just said explains what I said.

Why is she scum and why do you make this correlation, when you know town frequently gets it wrong, more than the right?

[Nancy Drew 39]

say youre an apathetic townie

you see a wagon with 10 votes and one with 5

youll vote the one with 10 without bothering

so what im saying is, get votes on ausuka so apathetic townies can vote her instead of the lurker

But why is she scum? And Saudade town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma and Xtoxm are never w/w here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

xtoxm is town

You think the hood is all town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I bet money, I am never getting NK’d in this game. Like in RC uPick, I tried to get NK’d there too. :/. Scum must love me or something.

that or they’re sadists.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler: size

Is it bad that I read the top box thing as 'CHESSKID'?

I don't really know Mastina's play

You and me both.
But I suppose I can clarify.
I am townreading Saudade not off of the slot's content--but general thread feelings about the slot compared to Ausuka. There's a term for that, but I can't quite remember it. Essentially, my sense of situational awareness screamed at me, "THE SCUM ARE DIVIDING THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE". And they wouldn't care only if both wagons were a mislynch.

This is why I haven't unvoted. I don't vote townreads that I am townreading off of play, but I'm not townreading Saudade on play. I could always be wrong. My analysis had Saudade as a decent candidate for being scum by play, and that's why I'm staying for now. I am hoping I am wrong. I am hoping that Saudade's slot is scum.

It's just that the circumstances surrounding Saudade vs. Ausuka scream, "the scum don't really care which of these two gets lynched".

That's a.. interesting post mastina but i guess it works for my purposes
Now help me bus sheep

You apparently misread.
sheep's town.
If as I suspect Saudade is town, you're scum.

your own role ccs her you really shouldnt be defending her.

I'm somewhat skeptical of this because my role's an already-revealed role. I picked up that Gamma's a roleblocker; I'm not a roleblocker. I'm one of VT/JK/JOAT/Vig.

Gamma and Xtoxm are never w/w here.

Wrong, that exchange is something precisely up the alleyway of scum theater especially since both know it'll amount to nothing. The lynch today is guaranteed to be one of Saudade/Ausuka. That means the two of them could go on pages and pages of a 1v1 and it wouldn't matter; their words would ultimately be meaningless.

Honestly, I think Purr is just wrong town here. Sheep is 99.999% town here, yes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

personally i live you alive because youre easy to pocket and can scumread people hard over random things

If I were really invested in this game, better then even odds, I wouldn’t live too long. I don’t care about this game=ergo 0 threat. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy are you still feeling good about Saudade?

Like, Xtoxm I understand you're feeling sassy, but right now I know I am town, and I feel Nancy is strongly town, and there has to be a significant number of town on Saudade. So I feel strongly it is a town-driven wagon. That doesn't mean it isn't a town-driven mislynch, though, and I understand your concerns that the case isn't strong. It isn't because it can't be because the slot replaced out from apathy twice, basically.

But my other two strongest townreads were on light and are now on mastina, but I don't really super strongly scumread mastina or light. I kinda townlean light, and mastina I just want to see a bit more from before deciding.

I know you feel really strongly that mastina is scum, but right now I have to ask myself whether:
a) I'm definitely wrong about Saudade (I could be but he seems like a good flip right now)
b) Whether scum would bus (I think they would)
c) Whether you're right in your scumreads (I'm not so sure)
d) Whether there's a chance I'm wrong on you and Flavor (I feel a lot stronger that Flavor/Varsoon is town than I do that Saudade is scum, for instance)

Looking at those responses, I'm not certain Saudade is wrong, although I am having some doubts

Yes, he has done nothing that reads town to me, since replacing in and I really hated Jaylow’s opening. I also think he may have a TMI on FL, seems like he

knows

he’s being pocketed.

I am open to hearing other suggestions but I don’t understand why Ausuka is scum.

I don’t remember who Enter replaced but I’m townreading his slot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

but I don’t understand why Ausuka is scum.

you dont need to

Uh yeah, I actually do. I’m not voting Ausuka because some people scumread her. If I don’t understand the case on her, I’m not voting her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Eh I think triggering people is his playstyle

Absolutely not.

I literally JUST saw his townplay in StarCraft; this is not it. I know what his scumplay looks like; it's literally what he's doing this game.

Do you have any links to an Xtoxm’s scumgame?

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok then enjoy your mislynch

You actively encouraged us to lynch Leo.

[Nancy Drew 39]

irrelevant

How? You were wrong on Leo, how do we know you’re not wrong on Ausuka?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why's Purr scum if Saudade is town? Do you think Purr is trying to line up a mislynch on sheep after this? I suppose that could be read out of what they said. But Purrocet at least is one of the people who is actually attempting to run wagons counter to Saudade and Ausuka.

It's not people's actions that make me townread some and scumread others.

It's the WAY that they are doing those things.

The players I'm townreading, it's hard to explain, but basically what they're pushing, it looks like they sincerely believe. Regardless of Saudade, Ausuka, or other, they genuinely feel what they appear to, even if it's resignation or desperation.

The people who I'm scumreading, on the other hand, are disingenuous. Their stances have an agenda attached to them, where there's a clear end goal in their actions.

Purrcocet reeks of knowing both wagons are town and is setting up a mislynch for when they flip town.

If this is relevant, Purr sent me fruit, N1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

maybe if you dont nk me i will

i doubt i would nk you if i were scum seeing as nobody listens to your scumread anyway

I think you’re both town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

maybe if you dont nk me i will

i doubt i would nk you if i were scum seeing as nobody listens to your scumread anyway

I think you’re both town here.

I just would like 2 die

Awwe

*HUG*

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hi! UNVOTE: Nancy, because that's not a good vote.

I read (skimming parts) all 100 pages of this damn game in a few hours this afternoon and took notes as I went. No idea what that did to my brain or if I'll survive the brain vomit I'm about to do. I'm gonna try to get it all out there anyways and hopefully the end product is worthwhile.

A reads list? We're doing a reads list. This will not be in order nor can I guarantee that it will display any degree of coherency. I'm gonna color reads for better readability.

Nancy Drew: Town.

The way she gives out town reads especially during D1 does not read scum. In general, she's given me the impression of being one of the more involved solvers this game just based on the way she approaches things and her presence. I've gone back through her ISO more carefully since skimming and nothing sticks out as contrived to me so I'm gonna stick with my gut town read. Additionally, I don't think scum urges Leodanny to claim like she does in post #605. In fact, I don't really think scum wants to appear that involved in that lynch.

I also just townread her based on her interactions with Flavor Leaf/Varsoon and that whole neighborhood fiasco. That whole debacle reads TvT to me actually. Neither side is scum intentionally trying to misrepresent each other, that just doesn't make sense when you consider there are other neighbors to corroborate stories and it's just too risky. No, this reads more like a communication breakdown between two town players who are upset at being lied to/misrepped when it's really just players misinterpreting things. I would be shocked if there was anything intentionally nefarious going on there.

Varsoon/Flavor Leaf: Town.

Town read Varsoon from the start. The wagon on him D1 is mostly built on BS? Which in itself not super indicative either way but I don't think his reaction to a BS wagon comes from a scum place. His cop gambit is a little dumb but again, what scum ever fucking does that? I'm not just gonna brush that off as WIFOM, it's a serious question. Ordinarily you might say he's trying to draw a counter claim, but A: Varsoon wasn't dangerously close to a lynch and didn't have to risk that, and B: we already know there might be duplicate power roles in this game so there's no guarantee an actual cop would even think it worth to CC that. There's so much risk and no reward for scum. I don't think his attitude/rage towards sheep was fake at all. Flavor just tonally reads as obv town since he came in. And his spat with Nancy Drew solidified that for me. Flavor is a player I might want to do a meta check on eventually, but for right now I'm confident enough in the read I got on Varsoon and Flavor initially that my paranoia towards this slot is fairly low.

Let's talk about

Wagonomics: Town.

I don't know if it's bad or not that I wanna town read him for his claim alone. It makes sense, right? This seems to be a highish power town game so having some negative utility in there fits. Plus, his role is just so ridiculous it's hard for me to imagine him making it up. I don't have as much specific analysis for why this slot feels town, as it's mostly gut, but his reads/votes are not opportunistic and I think display a good degree of scum hunting. #1820 is a noteworthy post that pretty much exactly echoed my thoughts at that point in the game and is basically the exact opposite of opportunistic.

TheBrie: Leaning Scum.

I have "THE BRIE IS SCUM," "DRIE IS SO SCUM," and "THE BRIE IS FUCKING SCUM" written in three separate instances on the first page of my notes. I really really hated the play from this slot during D1. And I'm still not a big fan. In general, she asks a lot of questions and says a lot of things that don't actually push the game forward. Her presence is empty, she waffles around and fence sits way too much. A lot of discrediting her own reads by calling them provisional which allows her a lot of flexibility. This being said, HOWEVER, post #2096 made me rethink this because she explicitly says waffling is just something she does, and then provides meta. I would not expect scum to defend like this and instead try to actually take some hard stances. Her recent play has also been a bit better, but it's not enough to swing my initial strong scum read I got early game.

Bleh let's get some of these slots out of the way:

Xtoxm: lean town?

His role in the Flavor/Nancy spat makes me think town largely. Now, this is dependent on my town reads there being correct, but since they're some of my most confident reads I'm fine with doing this. I don't think scum get's so involved/takes one side or another. Instead, I'd expect scum to sit on the sidelines for that more and try to get it to continue/inflate the conflict more. Scum lives off of TvT 1v1s. not much else about his ISO really sticks out. The main reason I ? this slot is because I town read the whole claimed neighborhood and I find it unlikely that all the members are town. If PartyBoat is town, this one might be scum. I could be falling into a trap assuming there can't be an all town neighborhood in this game, but with seemingly so much town power revealed already, it seems unlikely?

Kokichi: Town ig.

I gut read him as town. He's a lurker but actually pushes for things and takes stances that I read genuine. It means I believe the IC claim but regardless I'm not gonna spend a bunch of time analyzing this slot because it'll be resolved tomorrow one way or another.

Ausuka: Leaning a bit Town.

I skimmed more than I read the most recent pages, so I'm not too clear why there's a wagon on this slot. I think it's probably a mislynch. She never ever thinks the Leo wagon is a good idea, even before it gets really bad and scum can be sure it'll go through anyway. Nothing in her ISO reads scummy to me so I'm gonna need someone to spell out the case on her. I'd would agree with the narrative that two mislynches are being setup today for town to choose between. However, I don't like post #2354 from Ausuka. It feeds into the BS narrative that we HAVE to lynch either my slot or Ausuka today which... I feel is being pushed by scum (more on that later). This is no deadlines mafia, having "no reason to town read someone" is not the best excuse to lynch someone. This would make more sense in a game with deadlines. However, I'm willing to give it a pass because of the heavy narrative being pressed that we NEED a lynch soon and that the game is stalling out. This could very well be a town survival instinct because of that.

Vaxkiller: Probably Scum.

His push on Varsoon is bad. His push on Gamma is bad. His push on sheep is bad. His push on ausuka is bad. Everything about his play is opportunistic and weak. He has tons of short posts that are effectively fluff and seems to have been able to just blend in until recently. I just have no good things to say about this slot and I'd be fine lynching here today. However, there is another slot I want to lynch more and there's still the off chance Vax is just really bad town.

Let's do the last neighbor:

PartyBoat: Mixed.

Bleh. I gut read this slot initially and I liked how he behaved around the Leodanny lynch. He really pushed for Leodanny to give reads and tried to give him a lifeline so Leo wouldn't just keep trolling and get killed. Obviously it didn't work out, but his attempts read genuine. However, I dislike the way he tunnels Varsoon/Flavor and then seemingly only backs off when Flavor replaces in and won't be an easy lynch, despite the fact that PartyBoat is clearly still suspicious. His pocketing of Sheepsaysmeep esp during the Varsoon vs. Sheep spatfest was also yucky. I HATE the whole narrative that Varsoon is obv scum or that there was gonna be a huge wagon but there was last second resistance. That narrative is purported by Sheep and PartyBoat mainly and that seems very gamestate controlly/manipulative. Because it's not true and I don't think the Varsoon slot was ever in any real danger of being lynched. I also very much think Sheep is scum so these two could be buddies, but maybe the buddying is too obvious then. Regardless, lots of conflicting thoughts on this slot.

Sheepsaysmeep: Scum.

This is where I'd like to lynch. He is one of the few players I've actually had experience with before and I scum read him basically as soon as I entered the game. I could say a lot about this slot. If he's town in this game, then his town game is exactly the same as his scum game. His whole wavery, BSing playstyle can be seen pretty clearly towards the end of D1, though it's evident throughout.

VOTE: leo


meh

UNVOTE:

yeah im super lost on that slot rn

VOTE: varsoon

meh

VOTE: leo

i guess

This REEKS of scum trying to make themselves look better in wake of the Leo flip. It's one of the most noncommittal things that's happened in the game and there are a couple waffley players. It's just not genuine whatsoever. Furthermore, while I thought Flavor vs. Nancy was TvT, the same vibes do not arise from Sheep v. Varsoon/Flavor. I would expect town!sheep to reconsider or back down slightly at some point during all of that drama but he KEEPS TUNNELING. Which is not at all in accordance to his waffely play elsewhere so you can't just say that's a play style. I'm trying not to be biased by my prior experience with this player but I can't stop seeing the similarities between his game here and his scum game.

The most offending factor is the narrative that this day must end soon. It's bullshit. Yes, obviously we need a lynch eventually and we don't want the game to stall out. But we JUST got a bunch of replacements, from the vibes I'm getting the game is in a much better place discussion wise now than it ever was D1 or fake cop claim drama earlier today. This pushed narrative also coincides with sheep's activity dropping significantly, basically once he realizes his continued tunnel on Varsoon/Flavor is just going to make him look suspicious.

we're lynching someone within 24 hours and i give 0 fucks about who that is at this point

Even now he continues to pull this shit. There is not a fucking deadline, only a self imposed deadline primarily driven by sheep's fake frustration. I don't believe for a second his "demotivation" to play this game after the Leodanny flip when he CLEARLY wasn't all that enthused about the lynch in the first place (according to the quoted posts above). Or was that just fake to make himself look better, hmmmmm. The "0 fucks about who we lynch" is not a town mindset in a no deadline game. Lynching either my slot or Ausuka's gives relatively little information about the state of the game, similar to how Leodanny's lynch wasn't super helpful because he was just easy mislynch bait. Sheep isn't trying to make the game better he's just pushing this narrative of needing a lynch soon but lowkey calling them all bad lynches so that when they flip town he can have town cred.

Before I forget: VOTE: Sheepsaysmeep

I should talk about other players before I run out of juice for tonight.

Purrcocet: Null?

This player has actually made no impression on me and I apparently have nothing in my notes about them. Which, ironically, has made an impression on me. That's not a great sign for a game with 100 pages already. I have at least vague feelings or brief mentions in my notes on almost every other player but this one. Bleh. Nancy says they're a fruit vendor? I'm not familiar with the role, that's not a strict town or scum thing yea? My reads seem to line up with this slots fairly well so that makes me wanna give it town points. I'll do a more thorough ISO later and see if I can get a better feeling for this slot. Nothing jumps out at me as particularly bad, but that's not really a town tell.

Mastina: Leaning scum.

My notes have Theta marked as scum before the replacement. I didn't like the fencesitty play and I don't really think the PR claim clears that up because it could just as easily be a scum JK. Though, while that setup makes more sense in my head I'm unsure scum would actually CC. I dislike Mastina's entrance to the game, her VCA looks like a lot of productive townie stuff but does effectively nothing. I also dislike her call out of today's wagons being mislynches but still being on my wagon?? The observation is good but the actions don't line up. Regardless, this is a claimed PR and will probably be resolved eventually? I don't imagine scum wants to leave a JK alive.

It's getting late here and I have to get up early tomorrow (already surviving on 5 hrs of sleep) so I think I'll have to stop and pick up tomorrow morning.

Ooh, Gamma is town I think, I can talk about that tomorrow. The rest of the players I have mainly gut reads on right now, and it'll take some more time to organize my thoughts on them (should look at purr more too), but for now here's a rough ranking from towniest to scummiest:

Enter/Hebichan
vonflare
jingle/edosurist (is a scum triple voter likely?)
wisdom
singletonking
trekkie
light_ganski

^^ I'll tackle these players and Gamma tomorrow, hopefully I was mostly coherent, ask if you need clarification

Lemme know if I've missed anything or if there's anything i should know, srry for wall, but I'd rather do this to catch up on a 100 page game than spam post 80 times

Let's lynch Sheep! goodnight

I just finished a game with scum!sheep and he acted completely different than here but I otherwise like this. post so . . .

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

her VCA looks like a lot of productive townie stuff but does effectively nothing.

Um, yes? I was pretty explicit about this? How'd you miss all the labels of "trash-tier", "garbage VCA", and the like where I rather bluntly said it was shit?

If this is relevant, Purr sent me fruit, N1.

How obvtown have you been overall? I seem to recall one or two people pushing you, but have most been townreading you? Because actually, yeah, it kinda does.

I am townreading Saudade not off of the slot's content--but general thread feelings about the slot compared to Ausuka. There's a term for that, but I can't quite remember it. Essentially, my sense of situational awareness screamed at me, "THE SCUM ARE DIVIDING THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE". And they wouldn't care only if both wagons were a mislynch.

This is why I haven't unvoted. I don't vote townreads that I am townreading off of play, but I'm not townreading Saudade on play. I could always be wrong. My analysis had Saudade as a decent candidate for being scum by play, and that's why I'm staying for now. I am hoping I am wrong. I am hoping that Saudade's slot is scum.

By "general thread feelings" are you saying your particular feelings are the cause of your failure to scumread the slot? Or are you reading the slot based on the feelings of the other players in the thread?

As far as your indications from situational awareness - if I understand correctly, the to be thinking things like this, you must have a relatively confident idea of how large the scum team is, and likely even an idea of it's composition, but I saw nothing in your ISO about these matters. Please talk more about this.

I stated how large a scumteam to expect in 2241. The junk-tier VCA was self-admittedly junk-tier, but you can't do VCA without an estimate of scumteam size at all.

As for general thread feelings, it means precisely that: reading the entirety of players posting and general game atmosphere, everything points to the lynches both being a mislynch. There are players who look town that are pushing one as scum; there are players who look town that are pushing the other as scum; there are players who look town that are trying to push a third player as scum; there are players who look town that have given up on pushing scum; there are players that look scum that are pushing one as scum; there are players that look scum that are pushing the other as scum; there are players who look scum pushing a third as scum; there could be players that are scum who have "given up" on pushing scum (though if so this isn't as obvious); there are players who fit one of these categories that I can't get an alignment read one way or another on.

But all of it points to the same symptoms.

Of two mislynch candidates in the making.

By necessity, that would made the Saudade slot town, because the situation I'm describing wouldn't be the case if we were looking at scum being counterwagoned by town, or vice-versa.

Some of my reads

are

influenced by how others see them--that's my third axis of reading people which I've talked about a bit before (long story short, first axis is "generic behavioral tells"; second axis is "modified behavior SPECIFIC TO THAT PLAYER tells", third is "trust in others")--namely, reads like my sheep townread being in part trusting Nancy who I feel WOULD have the experience to get that read accurate, but most of what I've got here is just looking at what's going on and what "feels" right, and the idea of us lynching scum with our current wagons feels wrong.

Do you have any links to an Xtoxm’s scumgame?

Sure I do, but I'll link them later. (I never make empty statements on meta and can always back them up, it's just that usually it requires :effort: that I tend to avoid.)

only problem with this post is i've been pushing the lynch i want before those two ever were a wagon but ty for claiming wolf

It doesn't matter how long you've been pushing the wagon; it's the way you've been pushing. I thought I made myself abundantly clear on this.

It doesn't matter if you've been tunneling for one page or 100 pages. It matters how the tunnel is done.

For instance, Wisdom's tunnel? Probably town, enough to be my largest townread.
Your tunnel?
Not so much!

so it was entirely different to the reason mastina is scum here

Yes because "mastina is scum because she's scumreading me" is entirely a valid argument.

What does Purr giving me fruit have anything whatsoever to do with how “obvtown”, you think I am? I claimed it because I didn’t want Purr to be wrongly scumread and I would hate to have her be mislynched and me NK’d before revealing this info.

Also, you were scum with sheep in the same game which ran concurrently to this one. But your basing your read, totally on me, who you don’t even read as “obvtown”?

You know his play here is very different than in BoS, so why are you, or anyone who was in that game for that matter, making me the main arbitrer of that read?

I’m not sure I like this tbh, it reads uncomfortably hedgy to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh yea I wanted to ask rlly quick

do I need to claim? my slot is at L-2? rnow but idk what the protocol is for games of this size

Yes, of course claim. I mislynched town in a recent game because scum hammerred right after his claim and it was too late to unvote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Um, yes? I was pretty explicit about this? How'd you miss all the labels of "trash-tier", "garbage VCA", and the like where I rather bluntly said it was shit?

I didn't miss it. Just because you lampshade something doesn't change what it is. It's still a lot of effort put into something that's not super helpful, but people might write off as a town tell anyway because of the effort put into it.

You're continually calling out this situation as being two mislynches but not actually pushing a different lynch because ???

with no deadline it just doesn't make sense to be on a wagon you don't actually believe in unless you believe it'll be good for town

Yes good point. Still townreading sheep but wavering on Mastina a bit but yeah, if she really believes this is a tvt wagon, she should absolutely not be on either. We are not in a situation, where a no lynch is an inevitability, so she should push the wagon, she believes in.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh yea I wanted to ask rlly quick
do I need to claim? my slot is at L-2? rnow but idk what the protocol is for games of this size

For the record.

The reason I am not unvoting Dannflor is because my read, disregarding my feelings of general game atmosphere, remains unchanged.

Dannflor's content is thoroughly "could be either alignment with a RIDICULOUS amount of ease", with ever so slightest the scumlean to it.

So while by feelings of general game atmosphere he should logically be town, when he posts I'm like, "yeah I'm okay lynching this".

It's not the

happiest

lynch (that'd probably be either Xtoxm or singletonking) I'd have, but it's one which I feel is

okay

.

Why do so many of your posts read so fencesittery?

[Nancy Drew 39]

mastina is slowly losing towncred.

+1

She is just fencesitting and not taking a stand on anything, which is what I tend to do as scum, because then I’m not responsible for any bad pushes or reads. She is even putting her sheep townread on me, while questioning how “obvtown” I am - this despite being scummates with sheep in that game. While sheep comes straight out and says he thinks she’s town, Mastina just hedges on nearly every single goddamned read.

It’s tvt wagon, town will be mislynched. Oh noes, keeps her vote on Dannflor.

[Nancy Drew 39]

For the record, if mastina continues quoting her own posts to comment on them, I will compromise on an investment on her.

Hmm have I made that post yet in this game or will I need to make it and then quote it? Lesse here...

I will be making FULL use of the lack of deadline. I can only read AT MOST 20 pages a day and may not be able to read every single day (for instance, today), but I WILL be able to play at a decent rate, given the requisite time.

No, not it.

I can't vig mastina until she announces that she is the greatest scum player of all time and that it is impossible to wagon her.

I am the greatest scum player of all time and it is impossible to wagon me.

No, no, wrong thing I'm going for. That IS a stock phrase to use/quote, but not the one I'm after. Uhh...

Nope, haven't made it this game.

Time to remedy that!

The generic stock rant I was aiming to quote here is:

I am not aiming to look town; I am aiming to lynch scum

. Let my actions do the speaking there.

I forget the full ramble, I know it's more than a line long, but oh well that's good enough!

That’s exactly what aiming to look town reads like. What you really sound like is , “I don’t want to take any responsibility for my reads or votes”.

[Nancy Drew 39]

so can we lynch ausuka now

I’m not voting ANYONE without a convincing case. I would ask why you are so fixated on Ausuka as the lynch but I already know, you won’t bother to explain anything.

[Nancy Drew 39]

,

Nancy I appreciate you but your reading comprehension continues to be absolute shit.

You are one of my strongest townreads. I wasn't asking how obvtown I should treat you; I was asking how obvtown OTHERS have treated you, which should be stupidly self evident as to why I it makes a difference.

A player targeting someone who they know will live due to not being a likely night kill is more likely town; a player targeting someone who's obvtown enough where their target could eat the nightkill is likely scum, who knew that their target would live, making it a pocketing attempt. Thus my stupidly self-obvious question; the answer makes a difference in his alignment. Since it sounds like you are indeed that obvtown to others, it makes Purrcocet more likely scum.

No offense but your posts are far from the clearest, most easy to understand, so that is more a reflection of your confusing writing style than any “reading comprehension” issue on my end. That said, that is a good point that anyone who pushes me here or anyone widely obvtown read is more likely scum than not. It gets confusing like in the case of Dannflor who seems really townie - unlike his predecessors. I could argue that really smart scum only sr the more mislynchable players and pocket obvtown.

Not sure where Purrcocet fits into this wrt to me. She has had me as locktown from the getgo - something she also did in BoR - where she was town. I have yet to be in a game with Purr where she doesn’t hardtown read me. She obviously does or else she wouldn’t have given me fruit N1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also stop being hypocritical. You ranted about people who didn't sheep your strong read that game (the worst as town), but now are complaining about the fact that I AM sheeping the read.

You've been in the game, I haven't. You've seen all his posts, I've seen only the ones since I replaced in: too few to accurately pin him down. Why WOULDN'T I sheep you on sheep? You'd be the expert there.

How tf am I being even remotely hypocritical here? Sheep was your partner in that game and you voice no opinion on his play here wrt to that game. You were also unclear in your post re: the “obvtown” thing.

I dunno about you but if I replaced into a game with my former scumbuddy, the very first thing I’d do would be to ISO them, since based on that, they’d be a relatively easy sort.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That's really interesting. I guess partly I thought it was interesting the way you constructed the list (where you seemed to be consciously thinking about claims, which might have been easy to miss or forget on a quick skim). I also thought it was a bit interesting that you seemed to grapple onto specific posts.

I had a lot of free time yesterday and a good memory. I did mark down the roles of the dead players and the neighborhood (because I wanted to keep track of who those players were as I read through) straight away. The rest of the claims I just made a mental note of as I went. I didn't see the fruit vendor until I started ISOing people, so I might have missed other small things like that?

What.
The words you say are in a vacuum my own beliefs but in context are divorced from reality.
Effort != alignment. I am the strongest proponent of this on site. Literally THE strongest proponent, I know this better than anyone else, I fucking invented the expression for god's sake.

Effort does not equal alignment, of course, I would completely agree with you there. However, that doesn't change the fact that I think many players are likely to (even subconsciously) associate that effort with town. If you are town, I would have expected that energy when you entered the game to be used literally elsewhere, instead of something that's basically fluff.

The reason your attitude right now gives me bad vibes is because it's eerily similar to Sheep's "heh heh idk what to rlly think about leodanny guys" before voting him, for which I scum read him heavily. The fact that you actually scum read my slot makes me feel better about this than say the Sheep situation, but the way you are framing it as a "third axis read" where you're just going along with other player's reads makes it really easy to have plausible deniability, and that feels icky to me.

I just finished a game with scum!sheep and he acted completely different than here but I otherwise like this. post so . . .

Hm, interesting. Do you have a link to that game?

This is the one I'm using as my frame of reference: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78097

- Its ok to fence sit as long as you do it across 5 posts and 2456 words

is this sarcasm

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=30560

Scum!sheep in Box of Silver

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wisdom
Nancy Drew 39
vonflare
Party Boat
Flavor Leaf
Kokichi Oma

Enter
sheepsaysmeep
Wagonomics
Vaxkiller
Ausuka
light_ganski
Jingle
Purrcocet

Trekkie99
Gamma Emerald
TheBrie
singletonking
Saudade
Xtoxm

Okay so the names from pretty much Party Boat to light are highly flexible and in the bottom six the names there are largely interchangeable meaning this list is a rough of roughest drafts for a readslist but hey, it's here.

So Kokichi should be a tier below the top, but NOT the middle tier, in a new second tier. I'm not sure if anyone joins him there or not; candidates are Enter, sheep, and Wagonomics. If any of them aren't joining Kokichi in the new second tier, they instead form a third tier, leaving a mostly unchanged former middle tier as fourth tier/second from bottom tier. This pile contains the secret scumread.

Purrcocet and Dannflor are an either/or now. I don't think that they're both scum, but I DO think one IS scum.

Xtoxm and singleton are strong enough scumreads to almost warrant their own tier. Plus the scum in Dann/Purr. The remaining 3, Gamma/Brie/Trekkie, are interchangeable.

I'd give the list properly if not phoneposting and pressed for time.

I don’t understand. How are Purr and Dann remotely linked? I think Purr’s handlng of the whole fruit thing, seels townie to me. Had she jumped on me for the way I dealt with it, would have majorly pinged me but she was totally chill about it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this feels a lot like town!dann already even from the first post alone (i did a meta dive on him in the trekkie game leaned earlier ps trekkie is still villa)

and i'd honestly expect him to have that type of w read on me with the meta information he has

Yeah, you weren’t open wolfing in that game, like you were in BoS. How I got mislynched over you, still blows my mind.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am extremely annoyed that you all have taken someone out of hammer range and demand that a new wagon that I can hammer be arranged in the next 48 hours.

There are NO DEADLINES, I don’t sr Ausuka and Dann seemed really townie. Why shouldn’t we have unvoted him?

Would you have been less annoyed had no one unvoted and he flipped town?

If this was a deadline game, your annoyance would make a helluva lot more sense. We aren’t risking a no lynch here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ausuka being willing to vote saudade to save herself but is happy to die for mastina says a lot tbh

No, not really. I was hard scumreading that slot before the Dann replace in, so that’s totally NAI.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and now that the absent slot got a replacement and the wagon is dead shes your cw
and youre throwing yourself in front of her

Which reads townie to me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

this feels a lot like town!dann already even from the first post alone (i did a meta dive on him in the trekkie game leaned earlier ps trekkie is still villa)

and i'd honestly expect him to have that type of w read on me with the meta information he has

nice try but you're still voting me so ??

What are your reads? Who do you think is the best lynch today if you think I'm town? and I don't wanna hear more of "doesn't matter who as long as it's soon"

hey ausuka help the mastina wagon grow?
i'll consider not sheeping wisdom on you
i have a high opinion of his scumhunting so this is good offer

Isn't it kinda suboptimal to lynch a claimed PR when players like Sheep and Vax exist?

#2549 from ausuka reads town self preservation and not scum self preservation

Agree with the bolded. I really don’t understand the Ausuka push at all.

[Nancy Drew 39]

unless you have a specific type of claim that im looking for i sorta just want you hammered regardless of what you claim at this opint

if i vote this im not hammering right

VOTE: leo


meh

UNVOTE:

yeah im super lost on that slot rn

VOTE: varsoon

meh

VOTE: leo

i guess

idek abt this game anymore

i like

lost half of my motivation to play after that leo flip though

Like, someone tell me why this progression isn't one of the worst things to have happened in this game so far

It is by far one of the worst things to have happened this game. Who’s saying it isn’t?

He just might be town. (I’m indifferent about that at this point. I can annoyingly see a TownSheep like that)

Alright, I think you’re definitely town. Varsoon pulls this idiotic fake guilty crap, as any alignment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Isn't it kinda suboptimal to lynch a claimed PR when players like Sheep and Vax exist?

That’s how subconscious confirmation comes into play.

Slightly scummy comment, but still figuring out my thoughts on this.

You’re Saudade?

Inorite. Shocking. I didn’t think anything could ever change my hard scumread on that slot but I can’t see Dann’s posting ever coming from scum. Jingle being so tilted about his wagon collasping, kind of worries me. Nico was scum triple voter in RC uPick, so no one should give him a pass solely because of that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'd still murder Dannflor if given the option. Also, why do you hate animal crossing enough to reward me for changing avatars?

>:(

I still kinda think Wisdom is third party here

bwuh

hes deep wolf

I don’t like the continued Ausuka push from either Wisdom or Xtoxm.

[Nancy Drew 39]

TheBrie is town

I think so, not getting the scumread on that slot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Guys can we seriously not lynch someone in the process of getting replaced

Pretty clear, Single is town here, since Dann seems really townie.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Honestly though Xtoxm is triggering me a lot as well so idk

And Jingle. Wisdom is probably just bad town here but eh.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mastina, there was a question Brie asked you that I also wanted to ask but you didn't answer: Why is Trekkie scum? He said a lot of townie things upon replacing in, and while his activity has died down somewhat, I don't really see anything pointing to him being scum.

Yeah, I agree. I didn’t get the sr on them either.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't know how your read of a slot influences Ausuka's survivalism tells.

Eh. I agree that she's a big pile of NAI. I just don't care about lynching her for it on D2. I'd rather lynch someone actively scummy.

Okay, liking this post. Mindmelding on the Ausuka push being really bad.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Which is actually a great way to play this game considering the playerlist. I feel that’s likely a play towards more mechanical or logic based players, or players who can be warlocked.

Gamma, Nancy, jingle to an extent. It’s most of the site.

Which category do Gamma, I, Jingle fit into?

I’m nullreading Mastina atm.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy is the only one who would be worth the potential warlock in that scenario, however

.

It also fares well to go against xtoxm/myself in a way.

I’ve actually felt like Mastina is hoping I kind of just trail off onto someone else.

Mastina brought up that on her reads list Party Boat to Light Gandhi is pretty flexible. I’m on the townie side in between that spectrum which gives her an out to change reads at will on me, at the same time allows my other scum read of Light Ganski to be closer to my side, which gives Mastina an out if I were to push Light more, at the same time keeps a protective side over Light.

Masti

Wrt the bolded. Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Agree with the bolded. I really don’t understand the Ausuka push at all.

Beetlejuicing-ish, LHF, inconsistently treating different players attributing the same behaviors, and easily fakeable posts. TBF, no one has actually explained their SR there until now though.

I should probably ISO her but Wisdom pushing her lynch and not giving reasons, is really not helpful.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Eh. mastina will shoot me before endgame if she's scum, so playing to confuse me isn't really a good assumption on her. Also, saying Nancy or Gamma is mechanically minded is pretty

I worked it poorly. Gamma is mechanical based. Very heavily, actually. But TownGamma gets emotional outbreaks sometimes.

Nancy I was skirting around saying she tunnels onto people which is what I meant by the warlock comment. Glad you brought that up because I knew I worded it poorly

Disagree. Scum!Gamma got pretty damn emotional in OK 2. I don’t understand how you saying I cantunnel=warlock thing. I don’t see the connection?

Also, I switched my read on Dann slot, because he actually gave me a VALID reason to do so. Both Jaylow and Saudade, were acting superscumy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Agree with the bolded. I really don’t understand the Ausuka push at all.

Beetlejuicing-ish, LHF, inconsistently treating different players attributing the same behaviors, and easily fakeable posts. TBF, no one has actually explained their SR there until now though.

What is beetlejucing and what is LHF?

Beetlejuicing=only posting when they get mentioned/voted.

Lhf=low hanging fruit

[Nancy Drew 39]

To be clear, I'm laughing at basically every individual part of that post. They're all gold.

I’m happy to “amuse” you. I guess?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Surface reads from Nancy is pretty :/

Interesting theory. I'll look at her reads list and see where it matches to what I'd make up to be townread here.

???

FL was referring to Mastina, not me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Honestly though Xtoxm is triggering me a lot as well so idk

And Jingle. Wisdom is probably just bad town here but eh.

Jingle's triggering you? Why?

He seemed very upset about the Dann wagon collasping and I still think he seems different here than in OK 1.

People unvoted Dann for good reason, so why is Jingle so bummed about that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, not what I was saying.

First part was about Ausuka, second was about mastina.

Well, I’m mindmelding on both, in that case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No offense but your posts are far from the clearest, most easy to understand

Except yes they are.
I am verbose SPECIFICALLY SO THAT I COMMUNICATE

MY

EXACT

MEANING.
There are NEVER two ways to interpret statements of mine. (Well, except for when I'm being a cheeky scumfuck. Or I guess when I'm town fakeclaiming/half-claiming which is the same cheekiness applied to the opposite alignment. BUT I DIGRESS.)

There is only the one.

Because there's only one interpretation of what my words mean.
Now, what that interpretation is, you can subdivide to mean a town thing or mean a scum thing, but you can never interpret it to mean one thing when it means something else.

Admittedly, I CAN misspeak.

But.
YOU.

Are literally.

YOU, not others.

YOU.

Are literally.

The ONLY player.

I have EVER encountered.

In the LAST YEAR.

Who hasn't.
Understood.

What I am saying.

So I feel damn fucking in my right to say that the problem's not on my end.

Literally every other fucking person understands; literally every other fucking person doesn't ask the questions you do, because they got it the first time.

So why don't you?

I could argue that really smart scum only sr the more mislynchable players and pocket obvtown.

What do you suppose Purrcocet's locktownread of you would be then?

She obviously does or else she wouldn’t have given me fruit N1.

The problem with Purrcocet is the following.
Follow along with this.
Okay.
So do you agree:
A town player with a fruit vendor role wants to not fruit vend to the nightkill.
You agree with that, right?

Okay, so a town player wants to not fruit vend to the nightkill.

Purrcocet sent fruit to you.
You obviously know that, right?

Okay, so Purrcocet sent fruit to you.

Purrcocet was townreading you as obvtown, right?
Okay, so Purrcocet sent fruit to you, when you were obvtown.

...Why weren't you a nightkill possibility to Purrcocet?

That

is the point I am raising. If Purrcocet thought you were obvtown, then Purrcocet as town would want to avoid fruit vending to you for fear of you eating the nightkill.

In contrast, if Purrcocet is scum who sent fruit to you, knowing who the scum are nightkilling, Purrcocet would know you weren't the one who would die, thus, Purrcocet would know you'd be alive to receive the fruit.

Sheep was your partner in that game and you voice no opinion on his play here wrt to that game.

How could I?

I.
Am.
A.
Fucking.
Replacement.

Who.
Hasn't.
Read.
The.
Game.

Is that not clear enough?

How can I voice my opinion on someone I haven't even really fucking gotten the chance to read the content on?

So of course my answer is to sheep someone who

has

--and who I trust to be

just as recently informed

. It's not like sheep and I talked at all in the scum PT, it's not like we had some sort of scum strategy we discussed; we submitted actions in there, and that was it. The only thing I have from that game is the same thing you do; his posts in the game thread itself.

Except now,

you have

more

than I do

, because you have the WHOLE of this game; I only have a PART of this game.

I dunno about you but if I replaced into a game with my former scumbuddy, the very first thing I’d do would be to ISO them, since based on that, they’d be a relatively easy sort.

Newsflash: I'm NOT you.

I

did

do something similar, but using a vastly different method.
No isos involved.
But reading your posts past my point of replacing in.
I went through a process.
"Town player I just played with--are their posts here almost identical to that towngame we just played?"
The answer was yes.
Given that, "Do I trust this player to be knowledgeable about who they are talking about?" Not for most players, but for your sheepsaysmeep read? Absolutely, yes.

I don’t understand. How are Purr and Dann remotely linked?

I have strong reasons to scumread Purrcocet; I have strong reasons to scumread Dann. However, the scumreads are mutually exclusive, because they simply don't work as scumbuddies given the myriad of interactions I've picked up across the game.

Obviously they could both be town, but that'd mean my scumread on both is wrong and I don't think it is. Well, I think one scumread is and the other isn't. The reasons they don't work as scumbuddies is basically all the stuff I've been talking about. The way votes have unfolded, the general aura of the game, they just don't work as partners but they both, separately, individually, work as scum in spite of me knowing only one of them can be.

I'm pretty clearly outside of my scum range though.

This must've happened before I replaced in because it sure as fuck isn't after I did.

First off, you are in no way fucking clear and YES, that is 100% on YOUR end. Do you really want to spend the rest of the game arguing this, because you’re not fucking changing my mind on this and ftr, I’m really getting irritated with you sniping at me, two games back to back and if you continue to do this, I will just ignore your posts, m’kay?


Wrt to Purr, you are being dense (see, I can be obnoxious too. ). Purr and me are friends and we had hoped to hydra together. You are asssuming that Purr was being strategic in a particular way. I am not remotely surprised that she gave it to me and she made 0 fuss about it either, so no I don’t view as meaning she knew I wouldn’t be the NK. Sometimes a cigar is really just a cigar, yah know.

No, it isn’t clear enough. You should 100% have ISO’d sheep. Btw, where is the town sweetheart Mastina you talked about in BoS?, because she sure as hell isn’t in THIS game, that’s for damn sure. I guess I should consider myself damn lucky you didn’t replace into Varsoon slot because no godddamned way would I want to be in a hood with someone who arrogantly talks down to people like you do.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Honestly though Xtoxm is triggering me a lot as well so idk

And Jingle. Wisdom is probably just bad town here but eh.

Jingle's triggering you? Why?

He seemed very upset about the Dann wagon collasping and I still think he seems different here than in OK 1.

People unvoted Dann for good reason, so why is Jingle so bummed about that?

Point. I think it was just being fed up with the day going so long. Sounded kind of joking to me. Like he id want a lynch, and that was a lynch that we was happy with, and if we're not going to do that one, we better get another quickly. Kinda blatantly lynch happy in a way that i don't think scum would do. Apart from that I've been getting a town feel from his recently posts. But I'm drawing from no meta. I've played with him, but I think it was all mishmash, and don't remember it that well.


(Wrote this before/during Mastina's last two posts, and got tripped up on the post review. Again. But here it is now.)

Can’t scum also be “lynch happy”? I could understand if people had bad reasons for unvoting Dann and then there was the whole strange ganging up on PB with Xtoxm at one point. He just seemed to practically go out of his way, to avoid any possible mislynches in OK 1. Like he deep dived constantly to an extreme in that game and I don’t think I’m really seeing that so far. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’ve actually felt like Mastina is hoping I kind of just trail off onto someone else.

Frankly I don't give a shit about you and I don't see why I should.

Mastina brought up that on her reads list Party Boat to Light Gandhi is pretty flexible.

A stance which has since changed and is now far more grounded and with only a small pool of four players whose positions are flexible. (Well, approximately four players, anyway.)

For instance you are a hard townread and have been since the get-go.

she’s actively choosing where she wants every player on her reads list.

No shit sherlock. That's literally the fucking point of making a readslist in the first place? It's to visualize where players stand in relationship to one another, and making active deliberate choices on where people are gives active, deliberate thoughts.

I promise (as if people believe promises) I didn't jump here just because Purr says I'm town.

But can you promise that literally any of your read changes aren't because general thread consensus was moving that way?

Purrcocet to town, Flavor Leaf to town, Xtoxm out of scum, Dannflor to town-enough, me from town to mixed, literally every single one of those changed reads is a read that is a thread consensus read.

Kinda feel like i was getting pocketed here

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

Remind me what your first post about me was?

I'm pretty sure she's ignoring my presence in the game, because I'm ignoring hers. Mastina is easiest to sort when I ignore her.

Oh I am absolutely NOT ignoring you. The polar opposite of it, in fact. Just because I'm not quoting your posts (because there's nothing in them for me to quote) doesn't mean I'm not paying attention to you.

Why do you have to be so fucking hostile and rude to people? It just makes me want to skip all of your posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Does mastina want people to invest in her coin?

In post 1476, the worst wrote:
In post 1472, Nibbui wrote:
I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
She is strangely charming
(

Btw, that's actually a weak towntell of mine. scumastina is an ass, so is anything but charming. The charm comes from me when I'm town, since I just have a way with people, I guess

.) ~ scum!Mastina from BoS

[Nancy Drew 39]

Eh. mastina will shoot me before endgame if she's scum, so playing to confuse me isn't really a good assumption on her. Also, saying Nancy or Gamma is mechanically minded is pretty

I worked it poorly. Gamma is mechanical based. Very heavily, actually. But TownGamma gets emotional outbreaks sometimes.

Nancy I was skirting around saying she tunnels onto people which is what I meant by the warlock comment. Glad you brought that up because I knew I worded it poorly

Disagree. Scum!Gamma got pretty damn emotional in OK 2. I don’t understand how you saying I cantunnel=warlock thing. I don’t see the connection?

Also, I switched my read on Dann slot, because he actually gave me a VALID reason to do so. Both Jaylow and Saudade, were acting superscumy.

Eh. It’s different. It was like Gamma faking emotion. I didn’t have to really read him there. I can generally soul read Gamma even if we were at heads with each other during the same game

I haven’t really seen her be emotional at all here. I don’t think?

[Nancy Drew 39]

For the record, if mastina continues quoting her own posts to comment on them, I will compromise on an investment on her.

NOW we're in business.

I am not aiming to look town; I am aiming to lynch scum. Let my actions do the speaking there

.

There we go.

My job is to hunt and lynch scum, not look town.

Looking town is what scum do; lynching scum is what town do. ~ Scum!Mastina from.BoS

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10635012

[Nancy Drew 39]

So how about just use it privately

That doesn't mean discussion shouldn't be made.

Also, since Starcraft Mafia ended, I can say that was the main basis behind my the worst scumread--I

knew

he was scum that game in spite of Nancy insisting during the timeframe of this game at least that he was town there, which is why I said her ability to read him was shit; I already knew she was wrong there, so I thought she was wrong here.

I scumlocked him on D1. Wtf are you talking about? I even roleblocked him that night.

Scum!tw. Too damn bad this game just ended or maybe we could have stopped his mislynch. :/

And don't you fucking pretend that you had a correct read on him because you scumread him on D1, while townreading him for

the entire rest of the game

, up to and including

roleblocking

the only other town player alive

because

the worst asked you to

. He pocketed you hard. And I KNEW he had.

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

BECAUSE YOU WERE MY FUCKING TARGET HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE

If you sent a rolechange to someone rn, when would they be informed of it?

You have the absolute shittiest reading comprehension I've ever seen

.

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

Which makes perfect sense.
Because I can change my target any time prior to the end of the phase.
Obviously, the change can't take place

until

the end of the phase. (Specifically, immediately after.)

I can submit any time prior to the lynch, and the change happens immediately after the lynch.

FL is right, you’re not mindfucking me in THIS game too. I’m on to you here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I checked where Dannflor replaces in and I would like to ask:
@Dannflor, what do you make of Nancy townreading two of your scumreads so vehemently?

What kind of question is that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I checked where Dannflor replaces in and I would like to ask:
@Dannflor, what do you make of Nancy townreading two of your scumreads so vehemently?

What kind of question is that?

And that is a blatant mischaracterization, Gamma. I was only hard defending sheep.

VOTE: Gamma

[Nancy Drew 39]

I checked where Dannflor replaces in and I would like to ask:
@Dannflor, what do you make of Nancy townreading two of your scumreads so vehemently?

What kind of question is that?

And that is a blatant mischaracterization, Gamma. I was only hard defending sheep

.

VOTE: Gamma

You just don’t like the comment on a personal thing. It doesn’t make him scum.

She said I was “vehemently” hard defending 2 of his scumreads. The only one, I was “vehemently” defending was sheep.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That being said I'm like, warming up to a mastina lynch today much faster than I thought I would

But I would like someone to give me a reason that Vonflare should be alive tomorrow, because I see no reason, and mastina trying to pocket him does not do anything to make me want to read him as town

Actually, I like that better. After ISOing her both in this game and BoS, she seems to be doing the exact same thing here.

She is clearly trying to goad me into losing it on her, so she can set me up for yet a 2nd time.

VOTE: Mastina

[Nancy Drew 39]

Can you spoiler if you quote walls, Nancy?

I can try but we both know how that sometimes meses up the formatting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

There is no try. Only do or do not.

Also, you probably just need to delete any nested spoiler tags to make the formatting work.

The first part makes no sense.

As to the 2nd, is that what causes it?