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Quick phone post since I'm on the shitter and my friends won't get mad at me for looking at a site that looks like a corn themed hub at a glance: I have only skimmed the last few pages. Vorkuta is very probably not scum Shoshin.

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I'm still pretty convinced on ScumMorality.

This is town Morality.

I'm glad to see everyones on the same page.

-back to sponsor meeting I go whenever someone answers my text and brings me tp

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VOTE: Morality

very busy between my experiments and classes but I hope to catch up tomorrow

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Um I dont want to give details but I may need to sub, I've been on with 911 for the last hour etc. Dont worry, I'm physically fine as is my family and all, just higher priority than mafia. I'll keep the mod updated.

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ok, I think I'll be able to stay in

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The reason that Shoshin is scum is because I have been staying she was scum for a long time now

Pardon?

Edit: I had a lot of Boon stuff here and a few comments towards RC but I see he claimed emotional leave and RC doesnt want to lynch him today, so I'll leave most of it since as its not relevant.

Not a policy lynch

You're pushing on every single person except the ones who are scum

This is a blatant lie.

I’ve pushed ONE person this game basically. And I literally stated it was a reaction test during my vote.

You pushed myself, Shoshin, called YellowSnow and boats n hoes scum, none or whom are wolf.

and a big reason i always side with RC over Boon here is that RC is pushing similar scum that I am, and Boon is pushing 0 in common

RC's laziness is a town tell in this game.

HARDCORE disagree. TownRC is a try hard af.

Does he make you pay rent in that pocket?

Come now, you know RC is not this easy of a read.

Funny how Shoshin wasn't a thing until Creature stopped being a thing huh? Talk about talking in scumchat and organizing pushes to prevent scum going down.

There's 0 votes in common between the wagons, idgi

This is town Morality.

Why?

VOTE: Tarkus back to this then

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{Vedith, Morality, Yellowsnow, DDL, Tarkus}

scum, scum, townish (but bottom half of game by poe), town, scum

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Um I had a paragraph typed out but I realised I was confbiasing myself and this is probably better lol

VOTE: Vedith

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Vedith is scummier if you assume Morality is scum, garbage associations. Otherwise, I have no idea how to read him and think hes just a moderately annoying troll that is mostly a tossup. His lynchpool is weird. You said 731 is scummy, but to me that just reads like nai garbage. 650 I see. Tarkus on the other hand has 0 posts I townread, is very inoffensive (and generally absent), and has not done any pushing. In less words, scummy lurking.

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Oh I figured out whos alt CoA is ok lock town lol this is not her scum game

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@CoA, you should know who I am too if you think about it

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I'm not, no.

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There's 0 votes in common between the wagons, idgi

@RC

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Ok makes sense, I misread it.

What is your DDL read right now? I still think he's town, leaving a scum pool of Tarkus / Vedith / Morality which is very small. If one of the first two ends up town I think Yellow is where I go, how strong is your read on that slot atm? Not sure if they'd bus Morality here, but my tolerance of their complete lack of solving is wearing thin and I just town read most of the game hard. If Morality ends up town this game is going to be a lot harder than it looks.

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Actually Creature might be Scum.
There s guaranteed Scum within RCE, Creature, CoA, DDL and Tarkus.
Maybe even two, but I'm sure only one.

I'm helping \o/

This Poe doesn't come from scum, I guess you could argue snow isn't in it because RC backed him early. In Vedith's case in relation to his play so far it would make more sense to snipe the easy lynches. It might be vain but I don't consider myself an easy lynch and CoA being thrown in puts a flag up. There's an angle to push with Tarkus/Roomy having 1 scum that Vedith avoided altogether so putting them at the end of the Poe only really makes sense to me if they are BOTH scum with him.

However only snow has really been willing to throw a vote down on him and Aura is the only person to really throw a townread down on him or consider him as town. Which signals to me that he's lynchbait, I think he's realized this as well and hasn't done much to change that perception which doesn't come from scum imo either.

@Shoshin

Read on me creature

It's probably pointless to push you now. You become more obvious after D1.

This is not a read.

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Creature avoided a question.

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Creature slides to town lean instead of lock town. I haven't seen his scum game on a level he had for that one string, but the last couple have felt kinda forced.

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@rc 1577
@coa did you figure out who I am

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No clue, although I haven't really tried to figure out very hard.

I am not hiding it well, we have played lots together and you compliment me in a lot of post games and that's all the hinting I can really do. Our teams have worked together before. If not, ah well.

VOTE: Tarkus

He is also due for a prod @mod

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VOTE: Vedith

If you feel good about Tarkus I respect that enough to lynch Vedith over him, but I don't think DDL is scum and I don't want to vote there. If you lynch it without me fine, this game is poe'd enough that I'm not too concerned, but I think its a mistake.

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I wouldn't call this one experimental, but you are correct with who I am.

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And I do actually agree that the reason for repping out is bullshit, but I tried calling that out, why did you nor RC (who apparently agreed) nor anybody agree with me? I was told I was wrong. And other than that DDL's play is fine, his reads are close to mine which is town indicative ime, and Roomy was null/very slight town for me too outside of the rep out.

Basically a lack of reason to scumread, I don't get the case on him at all. He is in the PoE pool which makes him an acceptable lynch but I think Tarkus, Vedith, Morality, possibly RCE / Yellow are more likely to flip scum than him. Maybe not RCE. I do fully agree with your town bloc otherwise. I have not got a bad vibe from his posts nor his predecessor, but you seem confident hence why I'd like you to case it if possible. I would make this post more coherent but I'm on 3 hours of sleep and have a lot of shit I'm dealing with so now isn't the time.

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UNVOTE:

CoA is not scum. I'll be back with more time soon.

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I am popping in quickly, but I don't have time to get into a big argument. I know how to hide my online status if I wanted to.

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i too know how to hide my online status. yet i've never bothered doing so. i probably wouldn't have in your situation because i wouldn't expect to be called out on it.

I call people out on online status all the time, and I usually block it as scum with good games. But not important.

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boats n hoes was never a townread but you two are the only people who could slip into my blind spot.

what does this mean?

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What is your solve if I'm town?

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What percent are you on CoA? I want you to keep in mind I've seen you be wrong on 100% reads before, factor that in please.I know I'm out of touch and I know you have a lot of experience with her and one thing in her iso pings hard, but I town read her play. I have only skimmed for the last while so feel free to quote if you already said it.

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RCE sounds very genuine.

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you answered the post that wasn't a question

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what is your confidence i'm scum?

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Ok. I am thinking on something. i think tomorrow i have time to read the last while.

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caught up ish, oh I'm gonna have some fun when I wake up

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Honestly I'm surprised at the strong pushback over CoA slot. I was told it's very town. I have it at at most null. But Shoshin, RCE and vedith are all pushing back there.

If you were told the slot is very town, why would there be pushback? And I'm pushing back too, you didn't list me.

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@CoA I really need you to talk to me asap

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This is scumcoa

VOTE: cultofathena

have you even played with coa before?

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Day 1 will end in 1 day, 23 hours, 6 minutes or when a lynch has been achieved.

ok there's only a two days left so i'm going to stop being cryptic

I am considering lynching RC today. I believe town!him can read CoA well, but out of the games we've played I don't think I've ever misread her either and yes I'm out of touch but the level of analysis in her iso is her town game I think. RC says there's none, but there clearly is - and if he can link a scum game she's played to this caliber, I will look at it. So this would mean RC's scum pool has at least 2 town in it. Considering the level of confidence he's professing (among other things), he could easily be scum.

I town read his iso in isolation still, and there's stuff that is sus but I don't want to full case him now because I'm not sure and thats my problem, never mind the fact I don't have the time to get into a big 1v1 with RC even if I wanted to rn. Because @CoA does lurk as town too but she does it more as scum. I think the thing that pings me most about her is what RC pointed out, that she didn't recognize my alt when he has played with me far less and picked it up right away. That is not a make or break point, so I've been waiting for her to show up after I told her this was my alt and solve with me, but she hasn't. I was very busy yesterday, but I was mainly popping in to see if CoA showed up.

RCE town spewed himself with some pretty awful AtE, I don't think I ever lynch that slot. I don't think Shoshin is scum with or without RC. If RC is scum, Morality > Snow > Tarkus > Creature (if he doesn't obv town again) are the partner pool I'm looking at. If he's town, I think he's right and CoA / Morality are two scum, and if we lynch both of them I can accept the mislynch - most likely third is Tarkus / Vedith.

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Day 1 will end in 1 day, 23 hours, 6 minutes or when a lynch has been achieved.

ok there's only a two days left so i'm going to stop being cryptic

I am considering lynching RC today. I believe town!him can read CoA well, but out of the games we've played I don't think I've ever misread her either and yes I'm out of touch but the level of analysis in her iso is her town game I think. RC says there's none, but there clearly is - and if he can link a scum game she's played to this caliber, I will look at it. So this would mean RC's scum pool has at least 2 town in it. Considering the level of confidence he's professing (among other things), he could easily be scum.

I town read his iso in isolation still, and there's stuff that is sus but I don't want to full case him now because I'm not sure and thats my problem, never mind the fact I don't have the time to get into a big 1v1 with RC even if I wanted to rn. Because @CoA does lurk as town too but she does it more as scum. I think the thing that pings me most about her is what RC pointed out, that she didn't recognize my alt when he has played with me far less and picked it up right away. That is not a make or break point, so I've been waiting for her to show up after I told her this was my alt and solve with me, but she hasn't. I was very busy yesterday, but I was mainly popping in to see if CoA showed up.

RCE town spewed himself with some pretty awful AtE, I don't think I ever lynch that slot. I don't think Shoshin is scum with or without RC. If RC is scum, Morality > Snow > Tarkus > Creature (if he doesn't obv town again) are the partner pool I'm looking at. If he's town, I think he's right and CoA / Morality are two scum, and if we lynch both of them I can accept the mislynch - most likely third is Tarkus / Vedith.

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I would like an extension if possible please @mod.

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VOTE: CoA

They have been online and posting today and yesterday, on this site and another.

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RC / CoA / Morality is my solve, and that is not why I have you as scum

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You stopped pushing Boon for his irl shit VERY quickly, and you did it again with me for a bit, and you'll probably find another way off the lynch. Yet, I'm busy irl (hey mr online stalky actvity i was online exactly once twice when the wifi actually connected in the waiting room) and you held no regard for that. Which is fine, I chose not to sub, but you excused yourself from the Morality lynch way too quickly.

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THE MORALITY WAGON IS YOU AND SHOSHIN, THE LATTER OF WHOM YOURE CALLING POSSIBLE SCUM, THATS IT. I AM NOT LETTING YOU MISLYNCH ME TODAY. IS CAPS LOCK FUN?

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You are a good one

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Telling you guys literally 100% of the time boats n hoes reversal on CoA was scum realizing that Morality is gonna get lynched if he doesn't. He voted the counterwagon to morality on the basis that they were scum with morality after he in his previous posting called them literally conftown. CoA takes breaks from posting constantly it's NAI

his 90%+ confidence read he's never been wrong on is town. neato

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these are my notes since i'm probably dead tonight, they're from when i had time yesterday so don't fit with CoA being probably the third over snow/creature
team Morality rc snow or if not snow creature
rc switched to me right after I suggested yellow and creature are not town bloc and questioned his yellow read
rc backed off boon way too quickly
rc lacked vote fluidity early game, self cited not something he can replicate. see voteparking on creature for time, while calling him town
rc votes are inconsistent
his scum pool is two town
I think he had to break up the town bloc because it waas all town with him and he snuck snow then Creature in, because itd be hard to explain why hes alive if hes so right in a pl of ppl who know him and with people like me questioning snow and rce with Creature
rce, shoshin, vorkuta, therefore spewed town
pool of 3 scum to make less enemies, hence why tarkus and ddl and vedith became hard trs

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RC explain your Snow read huh?

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Not expressing concern? I have him as scum you dipshit

uwu

what the votes at

Boats n hoes set up boons scumhammer when their last post on the topic was saying how they were obvtown

your last posts didn't have me in the scum pool, and were talking about not lynching my "partner" boon. more like, mr stalky online time, that is the first time i've logged on since the morning and i dont have time for the game.

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RC explain your Snow read huh?

I give explanations that only opens them up to being argued with when i am dead. My POE is right you're a wolf morality is a wolf all the players I've card town are.

BnH JUST ASKED FOR A DEADLINE EXTENSION SUPPOSEY

THEN IMMEDIATELY SETS UP A QUICK HAMMER ON COA

ok but Vorktua and then I asked you for explanations 50 pages ago when you had me and him as town reads, and you didn't do it then. its not a fucking real read

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RC explain your Snow read huh?

I give explanations that only opens them up to being argued with when i am dead. My POE is right you're a wolf morality is a wolf all the players I've card town are.

BnH JUST ASKED FOR A DEADLINE EXTENSION SUPPOSEY

THEN IMMEDIATELY SETS UP A QUICK HAMMER ON COA

ok but Vorktua and then I asked you for explanations 50 pages ago when you had me and him as town reads, and you didn't do it then. its not a fucking real read

No shit it's not a real read

I expressly states that my townread on you was a lie to see what you'd do.

yellow is not a real read, stop avoiding

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Page 37. This was what initially pinged me about RC, his nonsense Yellow read and refusal to explain when that slot is so openly scummy.

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[]@BOATS LOOK AT THIS POST LATER[]

This is where RC got caught by his own stated tell, lacking vote fluidity. It pinged, but I agreed with the town bloc otherwise and didn't have time / confidence to push it.

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I did call Morality scum, he is scum. He is not the one arguing with me, he's the one who disappeared.

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And all this btw goes regardless of the flip

I'm 90%+ on town right now but even if scum the same rationale works that they would rather lose CoA than Morality and in that world the lynchpool is literally only 2 people: BNH then Morality

oh how the turntables

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Also note how BnH is twisting reality regarding me discussing what the world is if he's villager and me trying to explain what the world is to him in that world being equivalent to villagereading him when I have called him wolf all day

Also note that when the counterwagon to CoA was NOT morality he was perfectly happy to call her town but when Morality is back under fire he's 180ing a lock town read to set up a scum hammer by his scumread.

I switch my reads around as part or the scumhunting process. When I am flipped town it is ok confirmed that my reads come from a genuine place. Other people universally do not 180 townreads like that to enable scum hammers and CoAs townflip should at the very least show that my process of reevaluating and clarifying gets my reads to a better and better location.

They did not want to lose Morality today so they used out of game defenses and now they double scumhammered CoA. When I'm gone there will only be Shoshin who might not even be village and an IC who hard townreads scum for no reason. You guys need to power train BnH and Morality consecutively. I S2G at the VWRY LEAST 1 of them flips scum but both ot them really are just scum. Look at the horrible BnH scumread on Morality that morality calls him locktown for.

My trajectory into tomorrow is clear and I'm obviously VT. I only die to protect morality and BNH

Fuck it morality is right every time.

VOTE: Morality

I think 1/2 of CoA and Tarkus is villager other is wolf
I think shoshin morality scum v scum answers a lot a lot of questions

really? this is twisting reality? i don't see my name on this post! :O

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[quote="In post 2062, RadiantCowbells"][/quote]
he forgot my name, i'm twisting reality

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Okay, whatever, I'll follow your CoA/Morality/BnH team, but if the game doesn't end on then most likely I'll follow my own reaads.

I don't think that CoA flips scum and I was expressly advocating against her Lynch today so don't conflate her townflip to mean that I was wrong.

is this what happened?

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Understand

That there is a reason

That scum thought it was worth throwing two slots in the toilet to shut me up when I am dead tonight

There is a reason for that and that is my Poe townlist

yes

because two town slots scumread Morality, and there's a day and a half til deadline, and we throw away our slots desperately to desperately kill the legendary radicalcowbell

his reaction is spewing coa as town, so the team is RC / Morality / Snow

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Also BnH engagement with me is transparently scum

He seems to think he's solved the game but he's not trying to call me scum he's trying to discredit my scumread on him

He is playing for a world where I am flipped town and my reads need to be taken less seriously. That 180 was scum every time

you know if you are town you will be followed in this playerlist, don't even try that shit. i'm trying to get you to engage with me so i can see if i'm wrong, and you're refusing.

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I'm out, peace

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Mhm.

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I like you RC. This has been a good performance.

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Agent P would be disappointed

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isn't FA unbanned from this site?

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i haven't ever actually played with FA

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It appears that a lynch has been made before I had managed to check in. According to my calculations, the lynch will be ending up with a result of Town.

I have saved the results of my investigation and will be taking action on them in subsequent days.

Will be around for 5 minutes for a brief Q&A before logging off.

Did you catch up?

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Isnt morality and bnh pushing each other

Read my and RC's last posts.

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nah. RC tomorrow.

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read my iso @shoshin mobile and low time

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Yes

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If creature is scum I'll eat my shorts.

So back to my question, have you played with CoA before?

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this is shitty of you

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I was expecting the scuMastina video

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you want myself before your partner? neato!

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

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I think Morality/creature/third is likely.

I think he was checking Creature since we already caught Morality.

That's not how the role works.

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A half RC case and half questioning to him
@RC
1) Justify your Yellow read.
2) What made you flip on CoA?

And if Morality isn't Ascetic, he is probably conf town because RCE's role always targets your top scum read - there is no incentive not to.
@Morality, hard claim Ascetic or not please.

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A world where RC is scum means bnh and morality and creature are all town, and vedith scum.

I don't think RC + vedith played scum theater

I think Morality is either Ascetic or confirmed town, and this is Creature's town game. So, yes. Vedith doesn't necessarily have to be the partner, Snow is the most likely partner and Tarkus / Vedith / Shoshin are all possibilities. I don't really think you or Vorkuta are, though.

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Is there anything important from the hood?

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I think your logic is off DDL. The hood might have been straight up randed after rolling the playerlist, that's a thing some mods do.

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{Aura, Boats}
{Vorkuta, Creature}
{DDL}
{Morality}
{Shoshin, Tarkus}
{Johnny}
{Snow}
{RC}

Working from this right now. Morality gets a lot of credit off RCE flip. Shoshin and Tarkus get a bit off of RCE being the nk and being pushed by CoA respectively. This game is pretty much bagged with that traitor flip, ist just RC and one of the 4 above him most likely.

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Tone. He is a newbie, and his tone is not fakeable by newb scum; specifically, his entrance was v genuine and how he handled RC vs Morality.

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I have read his games, and played in one. I am a tone player. It is not a meta read.

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not sure how you find his tone here similar to his town games.

I didn't say that.

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Why did you say earlier that you had no familiarity with Vorkuta?

I don't think I said this, but I know why I might've implied it.

Look at Vorkuta's play here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78012

The difference is stark. He's so towny there compared with this game.

...
lmao
I was in that game

not sure how you find his tone here similar to his town games.

I didn't say that.

Expand on your thought process. This is what I'm getting right now: "Vorkuta's play looks different from his play as town, but his tone is townish enough that he's my top townread, regardless of the meta difference." Is that correct? And you're saying his tone is towny because newb scum can't fake his tone? What about his tone can't be faked? Give me examples.

I did give you examples, and that's not what I said.

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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No, but it could have been wrong. I don't see any evidence that RCE targeted you other than that he scumread you.

Kind of annoyed he didn't think to crumb his target in the neighborhood right before the night ended.

It is very likely RCE targeted Morality, he was his main scum read for the majority of the day.

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{Aura, Boats}
{Vorkuta, Creature}
{DDL}
{Morality}
{Shoshin, Tarkus}
{Johnny}
{Snow}
{RC}

I maintain this solve. It also fits with the theory theres 1 more scum in the hood if you prescribe to that, as a way for traitor to communicate (the remaining people in the hood are Johnny replacement and Tarkus). That said, Snow is the most likely RC partner and probably where I go next.

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I don't know RCE well enough to say that he wouldn't try to out-WIFOM the scum and target someone he wasn't hard scumreading. Not to mention that you claimed ascetic...

Also Boon you seem to have completely overlooked the humor in my vote There was more than a grain of seriousness in it but it was not completely serious. (And I don't think I've tunneled anybody in two years.)

His role yields no results, literally just kills scum. There isnt even a hypothetical reason I can think of to not target his top scum read. WIFOM doesnt matter with this role.

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And yesterday, I did mention Boon being Ascetic invalidates that, but otherwise he's conf town.

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I think Shoshin's replace out is town spewy

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I’m confirmed Not Ascetic from yesterday, by the way.

huh?

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WIFOM does matter. He might say to himself, "I've been pushing on Morality so long, if he's scum he probably wouldn't kill me" (false, btw)... he could also say "Morality is obvscum and will be lynched anyway and I should try to get a different scum."

I mean, we already know that RCE didn't play his role optimally. If he had, he would have made a hard crumb, ideally in the neighborhood.

He did hard crumb by repeating how Morality was scum lots? I would love to be right about the solve being RC / Morality but I doubt it.

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VOTE: Morality

I'm like only lynching Morality today but we can see who else is scum.

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

@Creature

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

So, I was pretty sure Creature targeted me Night 1, which shows I’m not Ascetic.

neat

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Cow thought Vedith was probably town

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Those are about the opposite of RC's reads, but ok.

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Yes, I read the post from 50 pages ago.

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Something Smart is probably town for that reason, but it doesn't apply to RC.

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there's an unreal amount of stupid since my last post

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hi SS long time no see

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And we are back to useless questions.

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How much of the game have you read SS

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So what reads do you have? I had Morality and RC as a solve at one point and Morality as scum for all of d1, now I'm at RC > Snow > Vedithslot > Tarkus > Morality > your slot (via replacement) > Vorkuta in terms of lynch order

are you going to read the rest of the game?

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Can we not clear Shoshin off of that replacement? ScumShoshin could have possibly seen TownRC or myself going down, and got upset with the modkill being unfair to the scum team.

DDL saw that I’m conf town, though, so I feel it did help Shoshin in the Shoshin vs Morality.

Shoshin's behavior after the DDL logs is what strongly indicates that slots town. Its a gross reason to be obv town and I will lose respect for them as a player if they're town here, but they're very probably town and angleshoot reads are just as valid as normal ones.

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So what reads do you have? I had Morality and RC as a solve at one point and Morality as scum for all of d1, now I'm at RC > Snow > Vedithslot > Tarkus > Morality > your slot (via replacement) > Vorkuta in terms of lynch order

are you going to read the rest of the game?

@SS

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Please do not be terrible Aura. Thank you.

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-btw why was I scum read in D2 as a result of CoA's ISO?... like... I couldn't keep up with the next level logic coming from RC

Because he is scum and was opening the lynch pool

-the wiki says that the "mod" basically gives extra information about something to the player, but it's redacted upon flip.
So the only way we'll find out what the extra "informed" information was is... postgame?

Yes, this is generally how informed roles flip. For example, his role could state "you are informed that a member of the scum team is a doctor".

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you irritate me

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Yes, I am.

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oh hey what's up

hey hi

i have more to say for you a bit later

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Kk why does that change a suggested lynch order?

Because RC is scummy and Creature has played with him enough to know that, but he is scared of my scum game is my best guess. He was voting RC with me yesterday so who knows

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Who exclusively town reads scum buddies? Thatd just make games easy

I do think this post reads bad for Boats. Wouldn't really read it one way or the other based on it being the first real post by CoA. But it just seems like CoA isn't trying to get Boats into real trouble.

CoA is particularly harsh on Boats in other posts. But again, not in a way that suggests CoA actually wants him lynched. I'd suggest others take a look at the Boats - CoA interactions.

I've never got why people post about shit they don't understand. Traitor is not the same as being full scum, and a competent player like nsg would not shade her partners. There is no time it is the right play. I can make this a big theory rant if you want, or I can just say this and you can accept it as fact. You commenting on how she's "particularly harsh on [me]" is a blinking light that I'm town, there is no gain for a traitor to discredit their partners. It is all risk no reward. The following two posts from SS are also reasons.

Also noticeably, the Boats scum read has mysteriously vanished. Was this ever brought up?

She also didn't mention a couple slots, or ever list me as scum. Her not picking up on who's alt I am is a lot of what made me click into the right read on her.

I think I want Tarkus today

No, we are lynching RC slot.

Boats did try to mislynch you when he had the means to push you. He can't now.

You kidding?

I don't see the flip flopping RC did near the end of day one as very scum aligned

It wasn't flip flopping...

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Ok

So I'm just going to assume that entire feud is a fuckton of dickwagging and nothing else.

What are the other fragments of the game and where is the best place among those to start from?

Basic tldr of events from memory

I thought Morality was scum -> push Morality

Nobody listens to me -> I drop it

Morality starts pushing Shoshin -> reciprocated, I don't remember the exact turn of events as Shoshin was lurky and not a very big presence

I call RC possible scum + refuse to sheep him on his read blindly -> RC says he had me as town as a gambit (?), it was a fake read and he thinks I'm scum

RC backs off NSG suddenly and starts pushing elsewhere -> I reread NSG, decide she's probably scum for a couple reasons, vote there

Morality hammers NSG -> RC and I feud in twilight with Shoshin and Morality in and out

NSG flips traitor, day 2 begins, RC declares that Morality and I aren't partners but one of us probably is, votes me then says nvm its Morality and votes there -> I push RC back and say no my guy, fuck off, you're scum
&
RCE flips disloyal babysitter (LMAO @mod) and strongly hinted Morality was his target -> Morality proved to be very likely town

Shoshin starts asking about my Vorkuta read (which I maintain) -> godkill

Shoshin replaces out after a few posts saying not to godkill over it -> slot spewed town

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tarkus idk

I honestly haven't read anything other than the posts since I replaced in and skimming the neighborhood

I'm not sure about the RC-slot since I historically have trouble reading him :V

Gotcha, well he only posted 750 times so it's not too much work to comb through

I'm feeling RC/Dunn > Vedith/Ank > YellowSnow > Vork

You haven't really posted since like halfway through d1. Anything more substantial? ie why those are your reads, eod thoughts, etc

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why are myself, Morality, and SS not a part of your lynch list at all?

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That's my solve pool with you over Vork :O

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I would like for @Ank to obv town and remove herself from the lynch pool if she's town

[Yachting n Socializing]

I would like for Aura to stop throwing B)

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I'll start actually doing stuff tomorrow, eddie

ngl I'm really not looking forward to seeing the clusterfuck of you four arguing with each other for dozens upon dozens of pages

I was (and am) very low on time so it isn't a full show from me, unfortunately.

Sidenote: I am playing my two games of video mafia in the Liar's Club league this Tuesday night (EST) if anyone wants to watch me! The prize pool is 3k which is pretty neat.

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You had to get nominated or win in the preseason to get into the league I think, dunno all the details. PM me after the game if you actually wanna get into video mafia, I'm just starting.

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I call RC possible scum + refuse to sheep him on his read blindly -> RC says he had me as town as a gambit (?), it was a fake read and he thinks I'm scum

That's literally his ego, not something alignment indicative for me. If you don't think he'd do that as town you're lying to yourself

I was posting the chain of events as I recall it, not casing him But yes, I think that's scum indicative.

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Especially considering we lynched scum day 1 and there was a modkill day 2.

VOTE: Tarkus

Meh, we do RC first. Then we can decide between you, Tarkus, and Ank.

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I'm not convinced there's scum in the neighborhood outside of the traitor at all

Is there any particular reason that was assumed?

Its talked about d3 which is only like 5 pages so it's easier to read it. I was of the standpoint that its equally likely for scum to be or not to be (:o) in the hood.

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I was posting the chain of events as I recall it, not casing him But yes, I think that's scum indicative.

How do you figure

Not saying it's out of his scumrange but that bullshit is town-RC's bread and butter

Because he knows I'm a player just as capable of getting lynches as he is, and he can't have a town me casing him while I town reads me.

But that's an angleshoot personality read and not really why I think he's scum.

I can case RC if you want, he got subbed so I didn't bother.

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first do you guys agree at least that there's another goon in the hood

I'm not going to waste my time speculating about the setup. I'd like to know what CoA said in the hood.

first do you guys agree at least that there's another goon in the hood

It's gonna be a shitty setup spec

Scumhunt normally

I think your logic is off DDL. The hood might have been straight up randed after rolling the playerlist, that's a thing some mods do.

The page with my post also spews Shoshin town imo so it's an important read. But these are basically all the comments iirc.

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Actually, I could see a traitor + all town neighborhood being the gimmick of this setup, but it's hard to tell without having an idea of what else is out there and I'm not particularly interested in persuing that.

It's either this or the gimmick is town has to kill off a bunch of specific ppl and is rewarded with getting to talk to their traitor - but yes, this isnt setup spec at this point, it's just guessing.

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That's also the list that Vedith wrote out, and that's why it seemed like names drawn out of a hat

I think Vedith/Johnny is the bad guy (TM) in this hood. The idea is that the hood serves a dual purpose of traitor being able to communicate with scum partner, but not too much in a too easy overt way.

Here's the members of a nbhd: RCEnigma, Creature, CultOfAthena, JohnnyEnglish, DrDolittle, Tarkus

That probably leans towards Tarkus/Johnny as a scum member.

the size of the hood, and the fact that CoA repeated wanted to dispell the idea that there are scum in the hood strongly makes me think there's a goon there

[Yachting n Socializing]

Why do we lynch RC? I shouldn't be on the table.

You have terrible associations with that slot.

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Sigh

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lol what test

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with what post

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Either way I'm not going to wagon Tarkus without reasons beyond it, I'd rather sort him in the neighborhood if at all.

I don't get what you were going for but neat

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You must hate that I chose not to even reply to that post then

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Not really, I think he's scum and we're going to lynch his slot today regardless.

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Eddie Cane, Dictator or Psychic? You decide.

In theory a dictatorship (/monarchy) is the best type of government ~ ~ ~

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I'd like to see the case

What have you read so far?

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Do you think CoA crumbed traitor somewhere?

Probably, though not all traitors crumb.

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VOTE: Vorkuta

No.

[Yachting n Socializing]

Currently nothing, I'm doing a lot of other stuff and just checking in once in a while

Btw the biggest thing is making sure my wallet is just lost and not stolen

good luck

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VOTE: Dunnstral

I did not vote Tarkus @mod

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- RC had a very small scum pool at EoD1, and generally kept his scumreads super limited. This is a common scum tactic, as people tend to reflexively scumread and town reading makes less enemies.
- This also fits with him pushing me back after I elected to push him; I was already an enemy, might as well call me one of his scum reads.
- (not a major point) His later reads were angled too: his hardest scum read was Vorkuta at his last post, a low activity player who was also on my side of the 1v1 (as opposed to Tarkus and DDL who he had already worked on pocketing)
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RC claimed essential certainty on NSG being scum, citing a 100% accurate history of reading them. Then, RC changed and said they were almost certainly town in twilight after unvoting.

RC unvoted and then pushed two slots he knew had no chance of getting lynched in the about 1 day before DL we had left, because he wanted to be off the wagon after he successfully got NSG mislynched. The less likely alternative is that RC figured out CoA was the traitor and backed off, which explains his panic, but I don't think this is as probable. He would know she can be low activity as town (as I pointed out) and was unlikely to contest his push. Scot free mislynch.
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RC claimed complete confidence that BnH / Morality was the scum team, 100% confidence, said it would be gamethrowing to not chain lynch us after his death. Then, he completely changed his pace d2, said only 1 of myself and Morality was probably scum, throwing in a Vorkuta lynch as his primary choice.

Claiming 100% confidence and backing off like its nothing as he does in these two examples is arguably a perspective slip, but at best its strongly scum indicative.
- RC actively broke up the town bloc, and a lot of his play has been around that.
- (not a big point) This one is more just something I noticed early on and decided to put a pin in because it'd be cute if true:

[]@BOATS LOOK AT THIS POST LATER[]

RC commented about how vote fluidity was one thing he couldn't fake as scum... and then lacked it completely for the first 80% of the day. For example, he parked Creature despite calling him town for a long time before he moved his vote.
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RC's Yellow read is clearly fabricated

. He has had him as lock town since like first third of day 1, and really, this is scummy regardless of Yellow's alignment. Either its a traitor game where scum can't really afford to bus as much and he decided to try to lock town his newbie partner, or he fabricated his read on the weakest player in order to pocket them (very easy on newbies). Yellow's iso is blatantly scummy, and you can argue twtbw (which I kind of thought at one point) but the complete confidence he's town is clear garbage. I prodded him on this many times, as did other players d1, and he dodged every time because when you play a super aggro hyperposty style you can afford to dodge shit like that and the vast majority of ppl will forget or not care. But this is one of the strongest points here I think.
- RC's lock solve scum pool d1 was mostly town
- (weaker angleshooty point) RC claiming VT as he essentially did and then yelling to be docced is a good reason to explain why he's alive late game, since with Yellow as a partner he would need to be planning to endgame.


Just some notes, I don't think there's really a point to hard case a slot that has a new player.

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I think Vorkuta is a fine suspect, tbh. It’s probably where I’m gonna end up going. I wanna do some deeper analysis, though.

Nope weee are lynching RC today

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It seems kind of opportunistic to make a case like this after he left the game and not before.

I touched on most of if not all of those points briefly when he was here, directly questioned him on some, and was asked to post it. so you could say I had an opportunity

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I don't feel like BnH ever wanted to agressively challenge RC when he was here.

I did challenge him eod1 and when I was here, revisionist history

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Also, I see nothing indicating any reads in your ISO aside from agreeing with Boon's town bloc.

I haven't talked about my reads yet and no one has asked what they are so that may be why.

People need to ask for reads to be given? I said that to imply I wanted to know your reads.

And this was not subtle.

Noting Morality ignored me again. For all intents and purposes I'm voting both Morality and Snow right now.

also this almost always makes bnh/morality wolf/wolf on top of everything else
there are tons of points in the game that make bnh/morality wolf/wolf

like literally dozens

In fact considering this post I consider BnH's points to be fairly OMGUS.

This is well after I called RC scum (and before RC changed his whine d2)

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I started doubting it at 1211, but yes, quote posts from the first third of the game and I omgus'd RC.

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Yes necessarily

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Alright, this conversation is over.

@Ank @SS please respond to the case with thoughts when you're around.

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I touched on most of if not all of those points briefly when he was here, directly questioned him on some

[Yachting n Socializing]

:O

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who's scum, Dunn? how much have you read?

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you have played with me enough that you should i know i never truly tunnel, and ive flipped on tunnels harder than this one before
is it common or do i think its really likely rc is town here? not really, but if you're town its your duty to convince me and others of so

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and was asked to post it

I said this in a conversation with you

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what do you think of the post itself Ank?

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No its not, see the bolded. That is not confirmation bias.

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I kinda wish he was still here, he's a player I can generally read given enough time interacting with him.

FUCKING SAME

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No its not, see the bolded. That is not confirmation bias.

It's confirmation bias because you looked for things that make sense as coming from scum but you never analyzed whether those things would also make sense as coming from town.

That's not true though.

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Because CoA was scum and in the absense of other evidence I think those contributing to a red lynch should be given the benefit of the doubt. Sure scum will bus but overall scum need town to be lynched and not scum to win.

I thought I read somewhere that scum don't know who the traitor is?

And if there's one slot that's expendible, it's the traitor.

In normal games scum do not know who their traitor is, correct.

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That's not true though.

I see almost no analysis of the likelihood that RC would do the things he did as town...

I don't get what you mean

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VOTE: Morality

No, they are soft cleared.

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That's not true though.

I see almost no analysis of the likelihood that RC would do the things he did as town...

I don't get what you mean

What I mean is, you took a lot of things that RC did and said "he would do this as scum, and this is why." That's not enough for a convincing case, because there are plenty of things that people do as scum but also as town, and sometimes even for different reasons. What you also need to do is say "he WOULDN'T do this as town, and this is why."

So you lack reading comprehension. Got it.

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You don't seriously think that a cop would check a guy who claimed to be either ascetic or miller...?

RCE had no reason to ever not target Boon there, and Creature very likely targeted Boon and got a guilty result based on his vote. I think Creature just didn't read. The only other check he could have had is RC (the other person he voted) but based on his apparent hood comment that is slightly unlikely, and RC is scum so that just means we lynch RC first as his cop.

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ion have enough time to call SS mean words and reply to ank now and this is making me late for work so pcing

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RCE had no reason to ever not target Boon there

You think it's literally impossible that he scumread someone else more than he scumread Boon? What?

It is about MOST LIKELY, stop twisting my words. it is a hider. it is not literally impossible that a hider would talk about scumreading penguin for the whole game and then target meatloaf and die, but rce is a competent player so playing around him throwing is not the first thing on my mind for some reason ? ? ?

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VOTE: Something_Smart

No, he's spewed town by Shoshin.

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UNVOTE:

Morality is the lynch today then, I have more to do before hammer though.

[Yachting n Socializing]

2795 is a scum claim, so yea, Morality is today's lynch. Who's the partner?

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jesus this game is distracting me im just gonna log out and force myself to ignore it

[Yachting n Socializing]

https://twitch.tv/LiarsClub

I'm Josh on there, I've never played video mafia before so feel free to laugh at how bad I am! feel free to root for and/or against me in chat!

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I won 2-0

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I am now 5-0 since coming back, between mbaki / 451 / live mafia and we are keeping that rolling.

Everything else can wait

First,

Boon

is going to hard claim Ascetic or not Ascetic.
Second,

SS

is going to hard claim failed action or not failed action (ie, gambit).
Third,

every player

is going to hard claim if they did or did not do something that may have interfered with any hypothetical action - basically, if you targeted Screen or Boon last night with something that would affect results.

Neither SS nor any other player should claim any specific actions yet, just whether they targeted or not. So for example, if I am a roleblocker, I would claim I MAY HAVE INTERFERED, not I ROLEBLOCKED SS

. If there is interference found, we will potentially get to that step.



We go from there.

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Shouldn't we you know, vote on a mass claim?

No. Its the optimal play.

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You realize that because I am town, if SS isn't town, or is gambiting, all that does is out a potential PR, right?

And from your POV sure, that works! But you aren't an IC so that is not an assumption to make.
The point of that order is if SS is gambiting he can admit it. I don't remember him being a gambity player (though I have limited experience), but sure, its possible. He seems pretty spewed town by Shoshin regardless, but sure, he could be scum. However, the odds of outing a town PR are extremely low. There are very few town PRs which could interact like that, roleblocker and rolestopper being two of the very few possibilities, and the odds town both has one of those few niche roles, and that said town role chose to target the exact player that would cause this interaction, are drastically low. So essentially, the risk is close to 0 and therefore the reward outweighs it.

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And if scum has the blocker, and SS is town, it gives SS a double mislynch path, which kind of fits with the agenda you’re pushing with it.

I don’t really think you’re scum, tbh, but yeah.

If scum has 4 members they do not have a roleblocker lmao

it’s not optimal because I’m town, already basically confirmed town, so we know that it’s just going to out a PR.

You aren't confirmed town if you're ascetic. SS claims you're ascetic. Ergo, this is happening and if you keep arguing with my plan I will just lynch you.

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The thing is what do we get out of doing that if town doesn’t have the role? What if scum were the blockers?

And to play devils advocate, sure, its 4:9 and scum have a roleblocker. Then SS has already claimed and scum is the PR so there's no town PR outed.

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First, Boon is going to hard claim Ascetic or not Ascetic.

Now please.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

Town

As Vorkuta mentioned, this makes it less likely he targeted you and more likely he copped RC - but I will get into that and everything else after we sort this out.

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I don't agree Vorkuta's scum but that is a discussion for later.

Waiting on SS, then we can start claiming interfere / not interfere.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I did not interfere

[Yachting n Socializing]

Ank, SS, Dunn, how is reading the thread going?

[Yachting n Socializing]

VLA for 1 week, I will be able to post a bit but work + school is too much atm

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I'm just waiting for claims to roll in, and I'll reply to your / Ank stuff about RC when I have more time than quick pop in posts (hopefully tonight) but that hinges on you reading. It is ... interesting ... Dunn chose to vote Tarkus (?) over either of the 1v1 or myself.

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I don't know why you think I should be voting you Boats

SS, why are you so sure you weren't blocked by scum

When tunnelled, town moreso but also people in general tend to react with voting back aka omgus - 2697 also sounds like shading my slot. It is intriguing that you didn't choose to vote in SS / Morality nor myself, the three "easiest" choices for either alignment!you.

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- RC had a very small scum pool at EoD1, and generally kept his scumreads super limited. This is a common scum tactic, as people tend to reflexively scumread and town reading makes less enemies.

Is this an RC trait though? RC is known for being a very good scum player.

- This also fits with him pushing me back after I elected to push him; I was already an enemy, might as well call me one of his scum reads.

I'll need context for this, I think. I can't see this being AI without knowing the context itself.

- (not a major point) His later reads were angled too: his hardest scum read was Vorkuta at his last post, a low activity player who was also on my side of the 1v1 (as opposed to Tarkus and DDL who he had already worked on pocketing)

I'll need context for this too.

Is this an RC trait though? RC is known for being a very good scum player.

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RC claimed essential certainty on NSG being scum, citing a 100% accurate history of reading them. Then, RC changed and said they were almost certainly town in twilight after unvoting.

RC unvoted and then pushed two slots he knew had no chance of getting lynched in the about 1 day before DL we had left, because he wanted to be off the wagon after he successfully got NSG mislynched. The less likely alternative is that RC figured out CoA was the traitor and backed off, which explains his panic, but I don't think this is as probable. He would know she can be low activity as town (as I pointed out) and was unlikely to contest his push. Scot free mislynch.

This is interesting. What did he state as the reason for hopping off the wagon?

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RC claimed complete confidence that BnH / Morality was the scum team, 100% confidence, said it would be gamethrowing to not chain lynch us after his death. Then, he completely changed his pace d2, said only 1 of myself and Morality was probably scum, throwing in a Vorkuta lynch as his primary choice.

Claiming 100% confidence and backing off like its nothing as he does in these two examples is arguably a perspective slip, but at best its strongly scum indicative.

I kinda feel like this is playstyle more than anything alignment specific

- RC actively broke up the town bloc, and a lot of his play has been around that.

Who were the townblock at that point?

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(not a big point) This one is more just something I noticed early on and decided to put a pin in because it'd be cute if true:

[]@BOATS LOOK AT THIS POST LATER[]

RC commented about how vote fluidity was one thing he couldn't fake as scum... and then lacked it completely for the first 80% of the day. For example, he parked Creature despite calling him town for a long time before he moved his vote.

I'll need to double check this, noting.

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RC's Yellow read is clearly fabricated

. He has had him as lock town since like first third of day 1, and really, this is scummy regardless of Yellow's alignment. Either its a traitor game where scum can't really afford to bus as much and he decided to try to lock town his newbie partner, or he fabricated his read on the weakest player in order to pocket them (very easy on newbies). Yellow's iso is blatantly scummy, and you can argue twtbw (which I kind of thought at one point) but the complete confidence he's town is clear garbage. I prodded him on this many times, as did other players d1, and he dodged every time because when you play a super aggro hyperposty style you can afford to dodge shit like that and the vast majority of ppl will forget or not care. But this is one of the strongest points here I think.
- RC's lock solve scum pool d1 was mostly town
- (weaker angleshooty point) RC claiming VT as he essentially did and then yelling to be docced is a good reason to explain why he's alive late game, since with Yellow as a partner he would need to be planning to endgame.

I'll check this too

Just getting this reply out while I have a sec as it is somewhat time sensitive.

Is this an RC trait though? RC is known for being a very good scum player.

Yes, this is an almost-every good scum trait - ideally, you want to keep your lynchpool as small as possible because people react aversely to being scumread by nature. I do not know RC's meta well enough to know specifically if this is a tell for him.

I'll need context for this, I think. I can't see this being AI without knowing the context itself.

This point was a supplementary point to the above one.

I'll need context for this too.

Yes, you do.

This is interesting. What did he state as the reason for hopping off the wagon?

Don't really have time to go reread eod again, but from memory basically first he unvoted but still thought she was scum and wanted more time, then she was hammered and he quickly flipped his read. Again, you need to read the game, retelling is not going to help you sort me / RC.

I kinda feel like this is playstyle more than anything alignment specific

I disagree. Read how he worded it. It would be gamethrowing to profess that confidence and be wrong, and he flipped his tune

really

quickly.

Who were the townblock at that point?

CoA, Vorkuta, Aura, Creature, Yellow, Shoshin iirc.

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It's not shading your slot and I disagree it looks liek such

Don't put words in my mouth

I don't care what other people do

trying to paint it

this is shading my guy, you serious?

[Yachting n Socializing]

Well bnh and Tarkus are the only slots I've ever felt were town while I've been in the game so far

Dunnstral looks sketchy

VOTE: Dunnstral

Is this your implied response to my response re: my case, or unrelated? Cause I was expecting / hoping to talk about that more.

Dunn/SS/Vorkuta is looking like the team atm?

I don't think scum would be looking to bus morality in this situation and it wouldn't surprise me if this was a "last ditch" effort to try to brute force mislynch for two replaceins with a near completely absent partner

It makes more sense than morality being scum and just about everyone pushing him anyways

On SS' play alone I would probably be suspecting that slot, but look at the stuff around the modkill please. I don't think Shoshin subbing like that is v likely to be scum.


NGL Ank, I'm a little suspicious of you, but the Dunn vote makes you very likely town as scum has no reason to bus him there regardless of who their partner(s) is(/are).

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this is actually a neat scenario thanks to Morality's claim and SS' claim. hold please.

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I might need to retract my solve. Gonna go to work now, I'll update after.

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oh and Snow definitely more likely than one of SS / Vorkuta

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My comment was meant to imply I wanted a direct response to my response to your response to my response ><

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I find it very unlikely there's 4 scum, but there's no chance a scum team with 4 scum would ever claim that as its essentially gamethrowing. Ergo, either its Morality + a partner or 3 people not Morality. And I do also believe town would have to be informed there was 4 scum, because its very rare in a 13p game... which fits with the theme of the game from what I can tell.

If there's 2 scum alive, LyLo is at 5p, in the unlikely event there's 3 scum, LyLo is at 7p. Ergo, if we mislynch twice and Morality is still alive, that means they're conf scum and we lynch them. This would be at either 5p or 3p depending if we hit the partner. So, optimal play is probably to not lynch Morality or SS here. Any town blocking role should not target SS or Morality. If both are town, scum are forced to keep blocking SS or let him get more results AND risk him targeting Morality again. I don't believe both being scum is a realistic possibility. If Morality is town, SS might be scum, but he's forced to keep faking results because otherwise he confirms he could have been roleblocked and his "guilty" is invalidated. If Morality is scum, he's caught via bad claim.

This could be the day before LyLo so theoretically its time to mass claim, but deadline is soon and I don't think we have time, and a partial mass claim is horrendous for town. We should massclaim tomorrow regardless of what alignment we hit today.

Personally, I disqualify Snow as he only fits as a partner for Dunn, so the lynch pool imo is Ank, Tarkus, Vorkuta, Dunn (and myself technically but I know I'm town). Snow and even SS could be scum, but its suboptimal to lynch them. Dunn is my clear favorite there.

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VOTE: Dunnstral

I know SS / Ank / Morality are all experienced, is there any issue with that plan?

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Did you read the modkill stuff?

And if there are any objections to my plan I need to know asap to move my vote to Morality / SS (the former in all odds), as I may not be around tomorrow.

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Atm I have an iffy townread on my neighbor... but that's it

Can you help me sort YellowSnow?

Either twtbw or just w, lol. The primary person townreading them was RC who unilaterally declared him town and refused to discuss that read or negotiate on it. He was pretty much always a top town for RC. So my logic is, if Dunn flips town (he won't) then RC had some sort of metaread on the slot he didn't want to disclose (I've had those before), and its probably town. If Dunn flips scum, then RC was hard defending his buddy just as he did to Mastina in team mafia. Either way, I'm relying on that Dunn flip to sort the slot, because I find it scummy on play. The IC said they're town today and d1 a few people had them as townish iirc, though not sure how many of those were related to just sheeping RC.

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I'm not necessarily opposed to the plan, I just want more confident townreads to work from since that will help me contextualize the rest of the game so I can work out where the scum are from there

I have not read the mod kill stuff at this moment no

Day 2 is very short and if you're town you're doing yourself a huge disservice by not at least reading that. I think it spews Shoshin slot as town, and I have been wrong on angleshot reads like this ya, but it is rare and I'm usually right.

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I hard tunnelled Vorkuta in our last game but looking back after his flip he was obv town, so learn from your mistakes etc. His play here feels genuine and I don't quite know if its fakeable as newb scum, I cited specific stuff earlier if you wanna chec my iso but I'm in lecture rn and don't really have time.

And finally, Morality / RC are both dominant scum players and I had them as my solve with CoA at one point, so lynching dunn resolves pretty much everything to me. I was gonna say I didn't really feel that anymore, but Dunn voting Tarkus drew attention to that for me so idfk. I think what's going on here is whoever's town is playing badly and whoever's scum is also playing not great, and the result is a pretty dead and confusing game.

Ank, what makes you town read me? I remember you scumreading me in most of the games we've played together I think, though correct me if I'm wrong, so what's the difference?

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there are 3 replacements this thread should be full of life fucks up

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I hard tunnelled Vorkuta in our last game but looking back after his flip he was obv town, so learn from your mistakes etc. His play here feels genuine and I don't quite know if its fakeable as newb scum, I cited specific stuff earlier if you wanna chec my iso but I'm in lecture rn and don't really have time.

And finally, Morality / RC are both dominant scum players and I had them as my solve with CoA at one point, so lynching dunn resolves pretty much everything to me. I was gonna say I didn't really feel that anymore, but Dunn voting Tarkus drew attention to that for me so idfk. I think what's going on here is whoever's town is playing badly and whoever's scum is also playing not great, and the result is a pretty dead and confusing game.

Ank, what makes you town read me? I remember you scumreading me in most of the games we've played together I think, though correct me if I'm wrong, so what's the difference?

In Necromancer, I think I always had you in my "idk how to sort this person" list more than anything else; you weren't as obvtown as Nancy/Zito/ActionDan, but you weren't obvscum like Kokichi/brass. I spent most of the game trying to find the elusive third scum after everyone converted to the kokichi/brass-scum mindset :V

In Police Academy, that was just more too many people being obvtown and schadd_ being scummy, you just made the most sense as a partner for almost50/gorkington :/

this game, I can tell you don't have a scummy mindset; most of the people I'm seeing in this game have an agenda-style mindset where they're focusing on small things and tunneling them or just outright not posting entirely; the fact that you're having more of a broad reach and trying to get people to do more than what they're already doing rings town when scum really don't need to put themselves on a pedestal like that in order to have a good shot this game. It's essentially a gamestate read that I don't need a read on the gamestate itself to be able to reach. Plus, as a bonus, the way you've handled reading my slot since I replaced in was blatantly town

mm, okay. go read day 2 then.

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anyone feel like actually playing when there's under a day left?? jesus