Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Brigitte]

Ank, even though I think ur scum.
Ur good people. +5 honorary town points to you.

[Brigitte]

She is pretty nifty.

[Brigitte]

I don't want to abandon my Ank vote. I have grown to love it. But I am tempted to cheat on it.

[Brigitte]

I know who Nim is.

[Brigitte]

I don't know what to do with this information.

[Brigitte]

[Brigitte]

same ank same

[Brigitte]

God damn it Ank. You are making me doubt my scumread on you now too.

[Brigitte]

I don't know what to do with this information.

Don’t threaten me with that or I will seriously consider replacing out.

Why would I threaten you with it?

[Brigitte]

VOTE: tictac

[Brigitte]

That is what he has been saying...

[Brigitte]

I forgive you skitter.

[Brigitte]

i'll support whatever ends day fastest

Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?

[Brigitte]

if you mean full of town reads, sure.

[Brigitte]

i'll support whatever ends day fastest

Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?

hi im ok-ish have i played with you before?

Yes

[Brigitte]

No

[Brigitte]

i'll support whatever ends day fastest

Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?

hi im ok-ish have i played with you before?

Yes

are you nic cage

Hey! This isn't 20 questions!

[Brigitte]

i'll support whatever ends day fastest

Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?

hi im ok-ish have i played with you before?

Yes

Have I played with you before?
I or Extrapolated Eagle?

I don't recall.

[Brigitte]

lmao thought I was replacing into a mini normal.

Welcome to the normal ship Anuket Topaz

[Brigitte]

@Brigette Could you explain how Ank's case on you was a copy of yours on her?

I don't believe that anymore.

[Brigitte]

yeah brigitte if i knew who you were i might unvote
down side of playing alts i guess
i dont care enough to think about if its worth defending an unknown

Thats fine

[Brigitte]

those were both a while ago anyway. my scumgame is nowhere comparable to the mess it was in death note. or my towngame in Undertale, really.

i just don't like being told i'm supposed to obvtown in every game because it's tiring. if it's unrelated to that it's fine i guess.

Xtoxm: i don't know, i do want to see Elbirn do some things here so i can read him, though i'm not the best at it.

is my townread on Flubber that off base? it's a read i actually like. why is he scum besides "odd", Ank?

I think your town case on flubber was pretty on point

[Brigitte]

I can be negative if you prefer.

[Brigitte]

UNVOTE:
this might be dumb to do but i'm just going to make sure i'm not overlooking a bunch of things here and being less lazy.

pedit: i wonder if i should just treat Brigitte like Elsa.

I feel like I should be insulted by this.....who is Elsa?

[Brigitte]

don't be insulted. Elsa trolls and is hard to read because of it is basically the point. but i can sometimes

sort

of tell what he's going for so maybe i should be trying harder with you.

I mean I troll, but I don't think I am hard to read here. I guess looking at the vote count that doesn't really matchup with reality or w/e.

I am in a weird funk with this game and don't have scumreads so I think its harder to see where my motivations are lately because I really have no clue what I am doing anymore with my biggest scumread gone and even the other ones I was making just disappearing. I have no scumreads and I know I probably being pocketed but i kind of refuse to recheck my townreads at this point of the game for paranoia.

So I am left in void of motivation to do anything and the few slots unsorted I could just lynch and if scum, cool! If not maybe will give me motivation to start reaccessing.

[Brigitte]

I mean I am pretty obviously not scum with a lot of players here lol

[Brigitte]

At this point apathy is going to push my wagon to the finish line. I can foresee the future.

[Brigitte]

I don't have a scumread to push Chara. Don't ask me for thoughts.

[Brigitte]

VOTE: Elbirn

[Brigitte]

I don't have a scumread to push Chara. Don't ask me for thoughts.

there are other thoughts, though voting Elbirn certainly is one.
was curious about your thoughts on me/skitter/Ankamius from that last interaction.

I mean my opinion of you three haven't changed. Last few pages is just like a highlight of personality not alignment to me.

Ankamius keeps the same opinions thoughts still going about. Confident/Arrogant mindset
Skitter is going back and forth with paranoia on people, which includes you. Skittish person
And you are somewhere in between with it. Pretty agreeable but are definitely not confident with your thoughts.


And we have the three musketeers.

[Brigitte]

At this point apathy is going to push my wagon to the finish line. I can foresee the future.

bleh this is kinda townie too

UNVOTE:

idk i'm kinda confused and my reads are bad rn and i think i need to take a hard-reset to this game

i'm townreading too many people and not scumreading enough people and i'm very confused where scum are

i think this really only comes from scum if:
a) all her partners are lurkers and/or have no influence
and
b) she has no interest in trying to get the wagon off of herself

lack it just belies a complete lack of survivalism that i usuallly associate with scum

Survivalism isn't town or scum......skitter come on.

I am at b. And not that isn't scum indicative or town indicative either. That is just my headspace right now.

[Brigitte]

i think survivalims is pretty reliably a scumtell actually

and yeah, i do think b) could just be a personality thing but it also indicates that all of your partners are just completely awol imo because otherwise i'd kinda expect you to be hoping that they'd help get the wagon off of you

also i think if you're scum you *probably* wouldn't be arguing with me about it?

I can't even. I am going to do self meta here and say if I was scum I would be telling my partners to bus me.

[Brigitte]

Skitter the reason why I am not trying hard to deflect my wagon is because I am apathetic because I have no strong reads to push. I have said that a few dozen times now. If you think I am lying about that. Then you know you can push this alternate theory and vote me again?

[Brigitte]

I mean I am voting elbirn here. And my reasoning is "person I have no townread on or might be scum by poe". Is that manufacturing something to push?

[Brigitte]

Nimueh. Why aren't you voting?

[Brigitte]

Why are you asking me?

[Brigitte]

u r a person 2 was pretty strong townread. And xtoxm hasn't done anything for me to doubt it. So no thank you.

[Brigitte]

ISO Ankamius, she gave a decentish summary a few pages back to a few of the recent joiners.
There has been no claims.

[Brigitte]

Also hello

[Brigitte]

I could actually join you on that one skitter:

VOTE: tris

[Brigitte]

I wrote in my notes that Chara is going to be convinced to vote me.
I am glad I can predict peoples behavior pretty well.

[Brigitte]

Ive been thinking of making a case on tris since I voted her since I have been lightly scumreading her since about page 4 and that never really changd. I never understood the townreads on her. I think all of her positions are very weak and don't have much footing in any which makes them very easy to make. The problem I have making the case is I can't follow a pattern I see because their doesn't seem to be one. I don't see a thought process at all and I don't think that equals scum. I just don't really see one.

So I see pattern of positions that don't have weight, all of these don't have a thought process, and then I go "probably scum".

[Brigitte]

what i liked from tris her is she's continued to ask others to form their conclusions about Brigitte as she's getting run up 2076 and the post after that in her ISO also rang more honest than not. not very compelling, but sort of towny in how blunt they are. and her reads have at least a few layere to them (like the skitter read) that feels organically dynamic.
it's not the best townread in the world but it trumps Brigitte and i came into the thread thinking i'd just vote tris and that would be it. didn't feel right.

That's not alignment indicative Chara

[Brigitte]

I wrote in my notes that Chara is going to be convinced to vote me.
I am glad I can predict peoples behavior pretty well.

i wasn't convinced by anybody, it was my own decision.

Okay?

[Brigitte]

What works for one player doesn't necessarily work for another. I would disagree it was honest though.

[Brigitte]

do you think your own positions this game have been weak, Brigitte?

Some of them.

[Brigitte]

Like we could go deeper and just dissect specific questioning areas that tris goes into. When I go through ISOs I typically look at what people are questioning because I believe that questions reveal a lot about what a persons thinking is. When I read tris questions they seem aimless. They don't seem to be probing in areas that you would need to probe if you were probing there already through careful consideration. I don't see that at all. The level of questioning is sub-par. And again, that doesn't mean scum, that just means "What is going on here?"

[Brigitte]

hahaha.

2126: the reason i quoted it in the first place was to say i don't understand the point of bringing this up, except that it feels like an attempt to get me to reconsider.

Because I think I can predict your behavior and I wanted to point it out for ego reasons.

[Brigitte]

Do you really want me to unload that? I think you will get upset by it and Id rather save it for you postgame.

[Brigitte]

Ank its actually SvS, but you won't believe me

[Brigitte]

poor reckoner

[Brigitte]

hey is your dog doing better?

[Brigitte]

Do you really want me to unload that? I think you will get upset by it and Id rather save it for you postgame.

can pretty much guarantee i won't be upset. say whatever bad thing about my play or personality you'd like to say.

pedit: good to hear.

Because I see you as a person who is very agreeable and very easily convinced by a lot of the superficials in mafia which includes the confidence of people who push things. I was actually a bit surprised when you unvoted me and your reasoning behind it again was questionable to me, I would have argued against it. I think you are person that looks at a wagon sees people who you are townreading who are confidently pushing the wagon and that convinces you.

Versus the wagon which is being pushed not as confidently but just as a counter wagon to me. I think you had very bad reasoning to move of me, which to my knowledge was that I was agreeing wiith your points and giving you some positive support, and I think at this point you are going for what you think has higher chance of being right, which is more on the townreads you think are certain of themselves.

Is any of this incorrect?

[Brigitte]

she still has to be like carried up and down stairs but she's stopped yelping so i think the pain is going away

That's nice to hear. Give the doggo my best

[Brigitte]

why didn't you argue against me unvoting you?

I wasn't in the mood to argue it. I posted that I could be negative if you wanted as a kind of silly jest post and was my kind of push back on it at the moment.

Didn't seem worth going into. Kind of like my skitter argument I just had. Probably not worth it.

[Brigitte]

I'm going to sleep since I still want to hibernate despite having to work early tomorrow anyways

Vote Brigitte please, it's more likely to flip scum and gives more information

I haven't been following your tris read. Are you townreading tris here?

[Brigitte]

Yeah those are all bad arguments, but I get how you think that makes it good.

[Brigitte]

Ones I make are decent. Most of the time. Maybe half the time.

[Brigitte]

That is L-1.
I will self hammer tomorrow.

[Brigitte]

I already said my tris reasoning wasn't all there. I take offense its just stock phrases. How rude of you Chara.
I am scum leaning tris, and I don't have enough energy to do a deep dive or analysis of tris, but I don't think it will help? I think in my current mindset I would be very biased to reading posts to be saying things like "X post is scum!" when it might not be very scummy.

[Brigitte]

tris's content's fine and the wagon's suspect.

Expand.

[Brigitte]

then it doesn't change prior scumminess.

Expand.

[Brigitte]

I miss Enter.

[Brigitte]

tris's content's fine and the wagon's suspect.

Expand.

Votecount 1.14

tris(5)

~ skitter30(221), Brigitte(240), Elbirn(217), Creature(36), Flubbernugget(78)

The only names town here're skitter/Creature; Elbirn's null; wagon formed quickly; wagon has both Flubbernugget/Brigitte on it (my scumreads).

tris's content hasn't been suspect; burden of proof lies on accusers and I've not seen any convincing arguments. (Or any, but I admit I may have missed them.)

What even is this.

[Brigitte]

Are you arguing VCA on Day 1 with ZERO Flips?

[Brigitte]

ARE YOU LITERALLY DOING THAT!?!?!

[Brigitte]

[Brigitte]

VOTE: Brigitte

I AM FUCKING FREE OF THIS GAME!

[Brigitte]

I am fucking town. Ask me anything. Though I am more inclined to tell you all about how you all suck at the moment.

[Brigitte]

That's a scum hammer

We did it boys

I have a cop inno on me when NSG comes. You ain't flying with this. Eat it, I am town.

[Brigitte]

That's a scum hammer

We did it boys

I have a cop inno on me when NSG comes. You ain't flying with this. Eat it, I am town.

Self hammering is antitown as town

So everything else I say is now invalid? Get of your high horse.

[Brigitte]

I am fucking town. Ask me anything. Though I am more inclined to tell you all about how you all suck at the moment.

okay, why not say any of this before self-hammering? i'm curious.

...............

[Brigitte]

[Brigitte]

I think Ank is town and a dumbass.

I think you should all review tris tomorrow because I really find nothing to townread from tris.
I think you all use and push very bad arguments so my hope and chances for town is low.

But at this point, I am so happy to be free.

[Brigitte]

Also Enter slot which is occupied by Succinct is still town. No matter any poor reasoning that comes from that slot. I think its more lock town than I want to say for Ank, even though I put Ank high up there in townieness.

[Brigitte]

Chara, you just said one of my posts was fake (right before I self hammered)
Can you like not argue with my self hammer and realize I was being dogpiled by arguments that I consider ridiculous and I am not going to replace out because people are pushing me for ridiculous reasoning.

[Brigitte]

Two different people arguing that they wanted to lynch me simply because who was on my counter wagon vs who was on my wagon.
Several people pointing that tris was a bad wagon just by the associations on it.

I am not going to sit here and argue every single person who uses these ridiculous arguments and thinks its good.

And I am supposed to just "share" them? Like I haven't or something? That I haven't been obviously arguing against all of these before.

Excuse me. Where you been?

[Brigitte]

I just hope the hammer was scum, mainly because the information loss from a town self hammer is huge

how can you self delude to bad. That you think this is an act?

[Brigitte]

i'll leave the thread for now since there's nothing much to be done before the lock, but no, self hammers are bad and considering skitter was arguing on your behalf and i was attempting to push tris for answers before you decided to self-hammer, it was a subpar decision and not something i like seeing players doing habitually, ever.

I can't even with you. Cya Chara.

[Brigitte]

I just hope the hammer was scum, mainly because the information loss from a town self hammer is huge

how can you self delude to bad. That you think this is an act?

Why are you suddenly so aggressive

Because someone posted a VCA argument. On Day 1. And says that made me scum.

[Brigitte]

i'll leave the thread for now since there's nothing much to be done before the lock, but no, self hammers are bad and considering skitter was arguing on your behalf and i was attempting to push tris for answers before you decided to self-hammer, it was a subpar decision and not something i like seeing players doing habitually, ever.

Echoing this. I cant even say "well now the Tris wagon is probably scum if brig flips town" because you hammered yourself brig

Not to dogpile and be a meanie I just want to encourage you to not kill yourself in the future. I think if you held on we could have gotten the wagon off you and onto tris

That doesn't even make sense.

[Brigitte]

All we've really said regarding that

Is that the wagon on you has more townreads on it than the tris wagon

What's wrong with that lol

good luck with the rest of the game with that lol

[Brigitte]

I still don't buy this flipping town tbh

There's too much of an undertone to how she's been playing the last few days that tells me scum manipulation

ohhh sweet summer child.

[Brigitte]

Shes being indignant self righteous town right now.

good description

[Brigitte]

I was avenged.

[Brigitte]

So I tried to be town anyways....

You almost succeeded.

[Brigitte]

I still don't regret my self hammer.

[Brigitte]

That Tohru replace in really swung the game though. Good job Tohru.

[Brigitte]

@NSG Thanks for hosting. I don't think you were terrible with modding. The game was pretty fast paced at a lot of moments. I do think this setup was horribly balanced towards town team, not a good setup imo.