Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Liger_Zero]

actually

i'm not actively aggressive and antagonistic this game

i'm reactively aggressive

No you are aggressive and antagonistic at multiple points. I would bring up posts but this is a waste of energy argument.

[Liger_Zero]

There once was a wagon on liger
who enter thought was a great big liar
but so did buj
and it was quite huge
so hammer already im gonna tire

A++ posting.

[Liger_Zero]

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

push me

i actually
don't
care

Was talking to rei but ok.

U act like ur not lynchable

Is it funny he is acting the same way as he described his own scum game? I don't know.

[Liger_Zero]

actually

i'm not actively aggressive and antagonistic this game

i'm reactively aggressive

No you are aggressive and antagonistic at multiple points. I would bring up posts but this is a waste of energy argument.

do bring up me
being actively aggressive and antagonistic
please
i'm curious

Well this post is a passive aggressive one for starters. And like I said, I am not going to go through your posts to show you each and every post because whats the point. I just wanted to correct the narrative you are making or self delusion you have.

[Liger_Zero]

So who's at L-1 again?

Buj

[Liger_Zero]

Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.

[Liger_Zero]

I think even the mod wants us to end the day with this many post counts this fast.

[Liger_Zero]

Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.

this is a flip from saying i'm playing to my scum game

please seriously

just bring up one post of me being aggressive and antagonistic towards another player

I said it was funny you are call out your play and its exactly as you describe your scum game. That doesn't mean I think that this is your scum game, that just means I think its funny you describe your scum game exactly how you are behaving right now.

[Liger_Zero]

Good boi

[Liger_Zero]

cuz i guarantee i'm not playing what i'm describing

there is no one in this game that i'm trying to keep off my back
there is no one in this game that i'm trying to keep from reading me

so there's no use for me to be actively aggressive/antagonistic towards any one player

We will talk tomorrow

[Liger_Zero]

Maybe after Max, assuming game doesn't end of course mcqueen.

[Liger_Zero]

If he flips scum I may or may not feel a bit embarrassed.

Go spell the alphabet backwards a 1000 times as penance.

[Liger_Zero]

If he flips scum I may or may not feel a bit embarrassed.

Go spell the alphabet backwards a 1000 times as penance.

But there is no flip for me to see if I'm right or wrong.
Wait a minute...

I KNOW WHAT THE MOD WILL POST!!!!

[Liger_Zero]

Maybe after Max, assuming game doesn't end of course mcqueen.

Nah fuck Max he’s town per his posts during this shitshow we just had

mcqeen gets all the townpoints gbye scumread gone
(This is a serious actual read and not a bullshit reverse OMGUS townread bc mcqueen happened to be on my side for something but considering im mislynch bait as we approach lylo scum has zero reason to post this w this timing imo)
IMaybe doesnt apply if he goes back on it later but w/e

reverse omgus.

[Liger_Zero]

Max, I am going to copyright that. That is golden term "reverse omgus"

[Liger_Zero]

time to play the "how much shitposting can I do in twilight" game

I got you beat before you even began.

[Liger_Zero]

whatever

buj is probably scum anyways

i just wanted to see if someone would try for bus points or not

mcqueen is probably town, you're right :/

I did, you are welcome.

[Liger_Zero]

i'm so, so sick of people with dogshit reads abusing the fact that their complete inability to play scum gets them locktowned to supercede my reads and lynch town

Who pissed in your cheerios?

[Liger_Zero]

You guys are obsessed with your townblock.

[Liger_Zero]

You guys are obsessed with your townblock.

Should we not be?

No not really.

[Liger_Zero]

mcqueen/Liger feels like too easy of a solve.

mcqueen is probably town. What does that do for your solve?

[Liger_Zero]

mcqueen is probably town

Okay, now I get to ask: Why?

I actually don't have a reason. And you can scumread me for that if you want.

[Liger_Zero]

I am contributing to stopping you three from this group think mentality you have going on which i am sure will blow up in all of your faces but this is what happened with Buj. But sure, just write me off if you want.

[Liger_Zero]

mcqueen is probably town

Okay, now I get to ask: Why?

I actually don't have a reason. And you can scumread me for that if you want.

So, like gut?

Or is it just to be contrary

I consider myself the devils advocate right now.

[Liger_Zero]

I am contributing to stopping you three from this group think mentality you have going on which i am sure will blow up in all of your faces but this is what happened with Buj. But sure, just write me off if you want.

The problem is, it doesn't actually contribute if you don't actually offer anything else to consider.

I just asked you what happens to your scumreads if mcqueen is town in this scenario, and then you wanted to ask me why.

[Liger_Zero]

Well I am not gonna make up reasons to townread a player just to be the advocate here.

[Liger_Zero]

You find a lot of things interesting.

[Liger_Zero]

You find a lot of things interesting.

How observant of you.

Thanks

[Liger_Zero]

I am more in favor of a xtoxm lynch if he continues his tunnel on prince like he has been. I can see scum reasoning to just use that as cover for a lot of nonsense. Although prince could be doing it too, xtoxm is really not doing anything but that.

[Liger_Zero]

Although prince could be doing it too

???????????????????????

You should just admit most of your scumread on xtoxm is bs. I can see only it becoming valid recently with him not doing anything else but focusing on u and ignoring the rest of the game but your initial reasoning seemed purely out of some vengeance thing even though you denied all that.

[Liger_Zero]

He hasn't been talking about non you slots that last few days? Do I need to reread his ISO because he just makes comments about you and the current game state.

[Liger_Zero]

I will admit mcqueen freakout on eagle seemed very overdone. But I don't want to be on this consensus that mcqueen is scum. Think its going to cause another mislynch.

[Liger_Zero]

I am leaning heavily that scum are in the "townblock". Gonna be fun to have my head chewed of for that. That is a good explanation for why no ignition at least, not sure why you want to have so many people around that people see as locktown other than to rely on the paranoia that festers when you have less people you can lynch to work with.

Or maybe the locktown group is so bad that scum just don't care to kill them yet and are relying on their terrible lynches.

[Liger_Zero]

I will admit mcqueen freakout on eagle seemed very overdone. But I don't want to be on this consensus that mcqueen is scum. Think its going to cause another mislynch.

I'm guessing you think that because yesterday went poorly and you're leery of too-easy consensuses.

Who else is scum? Is Max still your only scum read?

Max is my only scumread. But I think the last scum outside of that is in the townblock but i have no clue who.
Maybe its Eagle. Kind of doubt it, but idk.

[Liger_Zero]

I guess I could see Rei more likely than Eagle actually.

[Liger_Zero]

I am leaning heavily that scum are in the "townblock". Gonna be fun to have my head chewed of for that. That is a good explanation for why no ignition at least, not sure why you want to have so many people around that people see as locktown other than to rely on the paranoia that festers when you have less people you can lynch to work with.

I guess mechanically igniting early is sub-optimal, additionally it serves to withhold information and increase paranoia like this, so that's also an explanation.

Last night only 3 players could have been ignited. Even if scum takes out Ank/EE/Prince, that still leaves a fair amount of consensus town reads and such kills would only reinforce the idea that we're on the right track with the townblock and PoE.

mechanically seems neutral considering they can ignite 3 times, and they have 3 doused so far and can douse while they ignite. So last night seemed like a good time to take out three hard lock town. I don't see any other reason not to do it unless they believe the locktown are going to be useless or they are in it. So pick your poison i guess.

[Liger_Zero]

If i was in the locktown group and i was scum I would 100% be delaying the ignition for as long as possible to prevent any suspicions cast on me when i am not killed on the ignition, but obviously i could do it for a different reason in that i believe that locktown are useless and i can win using them instead of killing them.

[Liger_Zero]

and if 2 locktown are actually scum (unlikely probably), we are kind of fucked with current game state.

[Liger_Zero]

I almost think we should lynch players that we think the scum would douse because that lessens the amount that they can potentially kill and we can potentially get a scum that was able to hide themselves very well.

I don't know if that is brilliant or moronic but it can stall out a scum win instead of potential mislynching players that scum have no interest in dousing.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Reiuji Utsuho

I would assume this person is doused if they aren't scum and seem the most like scum in the townblock.

[Liger_Zero]

I know its brilliant, right?

[Liger_Zero]

Fascinating change in attitude from this:

I am pretty fascinating.

[Liger_Zero]

mechanically seems neutral considering they can ignite 3 times, and they have 3 doused so far and can douse while they ignite. So last night seemed like a good time to take out three hard lock town. I don't see any other reason not to do it unless they believe the locktown are going to be useless or they are in it. So pick your poison i guess.

Because it reduces the lynch pool. Even if you take out the core town block, the next day more players from the town block will just take their place. RAS/Karm/Rei or something would be the new core. So now you have a new untouchable core but less slots to lynch from, which means a greater chance of hitting scum. The more slots there are, the better scum have a chance at hiding and actually disrupting the town block due to paranoia. The longer mafia waits to ignite, the better game state they can create.

And, obviously, by yesterday's lynch, supposedly consensus town reads aren't untouchable.

I don't think a new townblock would form that easily, but that is kind of speculation that i am not sure is true or not.

[Liger_Zero]

if we lynch all the townread players than scum can't douse and therefore, we win.
Right? Thats how this works, right?

[Liger_Zero]

if we lynch all the townread players than scum can't douse and therefore, we win.
Right? Thats how this works, right?

You say this ironically but your actions are sincere.

Because i find it funny at the same time i think its a good idea, thinking it probably is stupid when you think about it.

I am playing 4d chess right now making moves randomly.

[Liger_Zero]

If Reiuji is town here, what chances do you think exist where they are doused?

[Liger_Zero]

not even for a scooby snack?

[Liger_Zero]

What are you convinced by?

[Liger_Zero]

No, I mean what are your reads right now.

[Liger_Zero]

I am the most awful person ever. Nice to meet you RAS.

[Liger_Zero]

Don't let him get to you, someone pissed in his cheerios.

[Liger_Zero]

Same

[Liger_Zero]

I don't believe anyone here is blaming you for the lynch, merely thinking you are a scummy element of it?

[Liger_Zero]

Seems like a weird misrep for a scum player to make though.

[Liger_Zero]

Probably shouldn't think too much into it.

[Liger_Zero]

Seems like a weird misrep for a scum player to make though.

Why is that?

Because it is such an obvious misrep, not subtle at all. Idk, I just expect scum to be more subtle with that kind of representations to at least seem reasonable.

[Liger_Zero]

If what I am doing is so scummy, it should be easy to point out.

[Liger_Zero]

Weird, don't remember you giving anything that wasn't some rant about my style.

[Liger_Zero]

Always down for a crash course on me being scum. I love to relax and have some popcorn whenever your ready to perform the play of my scumminess. Should be a good show.

[Liger_Zero]

I like your snarkiness but I think you could be more clever with the lines. That seems pretty generic. Not to be too much of a critic, but I give that a D+ at best.

[Liger_Zero]

You are 100% right.

Did you predict that one?

[Liger_Zero]

Dismiss, dismiss, dismiss, attack the player not the game when you recognize you're losing. No efforts to address, just trying to muddy waters and be dismissive of anything and everything.

Addressing things is a scum move.

[Liger_Zero]

Dismiss, dismiss, dismiss, attack the player not the game when you recognize you're losing. No efforts to address, just trying to muddy waters and be dismissive of anything and everything.

Addressing things is a scum move.

Saw a movie a couple years ago - I think it was kickass? - the main character makes a comment about why he recognizes super heroes are so witty all the time - because getting clever is a solid way to hide your fear and sometimes knowing you don't look scared is the only thing keeping you from turning and running in the face of danger.

On an unrelated note, engaging and addressing only looks scummy sometimes because it looks like you care to stay alive. Tell me, why do you care about your image so much?

I am very afraid. I am shaking all over. Please stop!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am afraid you all will see me as scum and I will get lynched in a game that has no real consequences on me in the real world. If you do, I will lose all self respect for myself and then I will have to quit my job, break up with my girlfriend, and probably have my family disown me. Don't lynch me sir! Don't call me scum!!!!

[Liger_Zero]

Thank god, I am saved for today.

[Liger_Zero]

Good luck with that. I bet it will go as well as it has been this entire game.

[Liger_Zero]

I am gonna be sad if you actually got doused and the scum ignite on you. Playing with you is probably the most fun thing about this game.

[Liger_Zero]

If I called the shots I would.

Hey scum if you are listening, and you want to frame me. Keep everyone alive.

Your friend,

Liger Zero

[Liger_Zero]

"regardless what happens. It indicates you are scum" - Eagle.

[Liger_Zero]

I think the people max responds to says a lot.

[Liger_Zero]

It says you want to be liked very much.

[Liger_Zero]

I have no idea how I gave you any false impression that I could be bribed.

[Liger_Zero]

So it was a lie? You are less trustworthy than scum.

[Liger_Zero]

Do you need a bandaid?

[Liger_Zero]

Liger is acting exactly how I think scum acts here (maybe THATS too blatant idfk) w putting paranoia in the townpool (or at least trying to)

Pedit Yes

Shocking. My scumread scumreads me.

This is new.

[Liger_Zero]

Bit slow on the uptake i omgused you 1k posts ago keep up

Liger/Xtoxm/mcqueen is fine I guess but imo the latter two are doing a bad job of getting mislynches
I know backseat scumplay while town does the lynches for u is a thing but still
Would feel better if i was settled on Jingle and Dolittle
Both of em are kinda townleans but I havent rly read Jingle too much

I called it omgus then. I am just repeating myself because you are still doing it like it is a new thing.

[Liger_Zero]

This is very lazy scum play if you are scum Max.
You are just sheeping peoples reads blatantly and barely pretending to sort stuff. While sucking the townblocks dicks the whole way through.

[Liger_Zero]

I read that post three times and didn't process anything you just said.

[Liger_Zero]

This is very lazy scum play if you are scum Max.
You are just sheeping peoples reads blatantly and barely pretending to sort stuff. While sucking the townblocks dicks the whole way through.

Good thing im not scum
But if i was scum itd be stellar scum play bc it seems to be working so go me im a genius

Im in a game w Renais and Ankamius do u rly think im gonna be thinking my reads are in any way better than theirs when their reasoning for those reads is literally in front of my face

I also like what Danns putting out ftr

Yeah, I personally think you will get away with it. Go you.

[Liger_Zero]

You are doing very well so far Max. Keep it up.

[Liger_Zero]

This game is pretty funny.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Max

[Liger_Zero]

i'm basically going to do nothing for a few days because i have higher priorities then I will go hard in this one and catch scums

not that this necessarily isn't scums but I want the best lynch today

What a turn off

He doesn't want to be on mislynch wagons.

[Liger_Zero]

I find it funny that you had a little fit at start of day and this is your attitude now. Do you want to lead or do you want to sheep sir?

You gotta take responsibility if you are leading, can't just keep going "well I am not sure" and then hammer the people stepping up to lead something even if they are wrong.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't know if that logic follows

[Liger_Zero]

That is to say I consider game solved at this point and while I could be wrong, I very much doubt it .

youre a funny man

I think he is too

[Liger_Zero]

Thanks for having me as your favorite.

[Liger_Zero]

Good one prince.

[Liger_Zero]

liger/mcqueen are actually playing to a scum agenda right now

That seems to be the narrative going right now, but I think you will find its just a tribal mindset that is being pushed forward by you and others.

[Liger_Zero]

i think that max is town and L0 sees that as a lynch that has to happen to win.

Whats townie about Max?

[Liger_Zero]

What is that evidence of?

[Liger_Zero]

Sorry, you didn't show your work on how those posts equal scum agenda so I am going to have to give you a 0.

[Liger_Zero]

i think that max is town and L0 sees that as a lynch that has to happen to win.

Whats townie about Max?

[Liger_Zero]

dannflor is town and should be leader of the new town block formed of him and jingle.

[Liger_Zero]

I was thinking who else I would add to that townblock and I am really mixed on either RAS or Vedith.

[Liger_Zero]

dannflor is town and should be leader of the new town block formed of him and jingle.

I actually laughed

I am a entertainer.

[Liger_Zero]

dann, be the leader you were always meant to be.

[Liger_Zero]

dann, be the leader you were always meant to be.

okay by my leadership I say we sheep Prince today

A good leader knows when to follow. I like it.

I will follow ur example

Prince, what are we doing?

[Liger_Zero]

stay away from me

*follows around*

Tell me what I must do!

[Liger_Zero]

Ankamius can I help you out for a second and tell you dannflor is town.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: McQueen

my leaders leader commands!

[Liger_Zero]

Ankamius can I help you out for a second and tell you dannflor is town.

sure

I'll help you out back and say that your word on him doesn't mean enough for me to sheep it

That's unfortunate. Just wanted to save you some time, but if you want to do more work, more power to you.

[Liger_Zero]

dann are we no longer sheeping prince, what is going on my excellence?

[Liger_Zero]

dann are we no longer sheeping prince, what is going on my excellence?

I'm already voting mcqueen!

u were so ready to follow prince that u were already doing his commands before he gave them.
You are an exemplar for leadership sir.

[Liger_Zero]

He is the town prince!
dann that is, not prince. Prince is the town king apparently.

But one day, dann shall take over the throne.

[Liger_Zero]

The Legend of the Town Prince, Dannflor:

We stand here to honor the great service that dannflor has brought to the kingdom of townire. He has been a faithful and trustworthy prince who will one day will lead the entire kingdom as its sixth monarch. Before his birth it was rumored that a great warrior prince would come to reclaim the lost lands of the kingdom and bring salvation to them all. Many disbelieved in his abilities, for he was too young, inexperienced, lacking in confidence. Those who saw beneath the surface knew he was destined for greatness though. On his blessed sixteenth birthday, the King Prince of Renais bequethed on to him command of part of the army to fight back against the wretched scum that plagued the lands. Dannflor not believing he was completely ready continued to rely heavily on his fathers guidance as he fought the wretched scum. It is expected that the scum will invade the capital, and kill the king, but dannflor is prepared to intercept and fight for his homeland. He will not let some evil invaders take over his beloved kingdom regardless of his own fears of failure.


The scum have interjected themselves into the loyal guard, it has been suspected but the King has shushed out these rumors. Dannflor uncertain, continues to fight and tries to return to the capital to save the king. It is unknown if he will be successful. He will try though, the prince of townire shall save us all!

[Liger_Zero]

Wait until you fight the dragons, that is the best part of your epic legendary tale.

[Liger_Zero]

Who wants to read my story about the king and his advisors discussing the war?

I have a 5 part series planned out right now. Should be an entertaining read.

[Liger_Zero]

Who wants to read my story about the king and his advisors discussing the war?

I have a 5 part series planned out right now. Should be an entertaining read.

I'll subscribe since I'm a character

Part 1 has little to do with you. You are out of focus because you are in another part of the kingdom fighting the war. Part 2 focuses more on you.

Part 1 features: Ankamius, Prince, Eagle and Reiuj.

[Liger_Zero]

You will never become the king, eagle.

You are just an adviser to the king. Know your role in the story.

[Liger_Zero]

UNVOTE:

the king commands

[Liger_Zero]

the all powerful king

[Liger_Zero]

Why am I still awake?

[Liger_Zero]

i'm going to go mad with power and lynch the mod so that i can be the true ruler of this game

we support you

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: NSG

[Liger_Zero]

god i am so fucking good at this game

L

so like srsly when r u gonna do shit

its funny cuz i didnt do shit in prey mafia so xtoxm can just tell me to fuck off for ruining his game

i'll get serious after we lynch prince
and you didnt ruin my game, prey mafia went great, i was very pleased with it
you can still fuck off tho

god i am so fucking good at this game

L

so like srsly when r u gonna do shit

its funny cuz i didnt do shit in prey mafia so xtoxm can just tell me to fuck off for ruining his game

i'll get serious after we lynch prince
and you didnt ruin my game, prey mafia went great, i was very pleased with it
you can still fuck off tho

lol im not gonna fuck off.

U act like u cant play a normal game by just ignoring prince. No ones gonna say shit. I did the same thing with DT earlier.

These really don't look organic...

[Liger_Zero]

Where exactly is ur rage coming from?

[Liger_Zero]

You are literally doing nothing but shitting on him. Stop it.

[Liger_Zero]

If you can't play with him, replace out. But don't continue to drag on this game like this because the longer you do it the more I am going to assume your hiding behind this position as scum.

[Liger_Zero]

I am not demanding you to, I am asking you to because you are dragging down the game with continuing to do this and not play the game properly.

[Liger_Zero]

You know the problem isn't even just that your shitting on him. Its the fact that is ALL YOUR DOING. Do other stuff. You aren't playing the god damn game.

[Liger_Zero]

guess i should try and do something other than slapfight

Ankamius replaced Lycanfire * - i slight tr lycan. particularly the 'oops' hammer. i think scum-lycan would be paying more attention, i kinda doubt he would fake that. not a super strong read.
Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald ** - i sr gamma, liger is starting to make the slot look better recently but wouldnt call it town yet
RAS replaced Alisae - fairly strong tr based on ali
Reiuji Utsuho - my understanding from what others have said is that she's a strong player and i imagine she's capable of putting the kind of stuff on the board that she's done this game. not seen a reason for me to take it out my poe, altho not a sr per se, just not town
Dannflor replaced DoubtingThomas - DT was scummy to me. not sure about dann. slot could be scum.
NerfedBuJ - tr some early posts, competing wagon to scum
MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency * - since max entrance, slot is looking town. played with scum!max and this feels diff. very old meta tho, use with caution.
Jingle replaced Frozen Angel - scummy to me. not convinced that he believes some of the stances he's taking.
Extrapolated Eagle - probably has exceeded his scumrange imo.
DrDolittle - maybe starting to look a little town? seems like hes trying to get the game back on track, when scum could easily coast on me/prince stuff
Vedith - like others have said, tend to agree he would be doing more as scum. he usually sr me when im town.
Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist - trying my best to put personal feelings aside, i do think this could be scum leading the town. pvt was scummy to me. power mislynching sho is +scum equity, unlikely he wins if he allows her stay around for a long time. i dont believe that he believes im scum either. could just be town lynching someone he knows is town for ego or whatever.
mcqueen * - have discussed
Karmeleon * - im fairly confident this is karm's town game. wouldnt want to lynch ever.

So none of this has changed.

[Liger_Zero]

So my PoE has three players: two scum and one townie if I'm correct.

I made posts yesterday bolstering the idea that the reads should be sheeped after our death tonight, creating a game state where we have (in the scenario that I'm right), two scum trying to provide the idea that I'm wrong by distancing each other and lynching the townie. Does this game state sound familiar to anyone else?

Anyways, aside from musings on the fact that I feel like I've managed to recreate a game state from BoP 2, you'll notice that ligers post about framing him would frame him as town if we died tonight, mcqueen said I was wrong, even though if he is town and both xtoxm and liver are scum (he has pushed both as scum within the last three pages), that would make me right. In fact, for him to know I'm wrong he'd have to know the alignment of another player here, but why would he care about me being wrong if he could be town here and I think the other two are scum, like him?

Just thought that was fascinating.

Did this post make sense to anyone?

[Liger_Zero]

You know next to dann, the persons personality I like most in this game is definitely max. Such a charming person. Shame he got scum ;(

[Liger_Zero]

{prince, rei, jingle, dann}
{eagle, vedith}
{others}

I thought prince was scum?

[Liger_Zero]

@Dolittle whats your read on Liger and mcqueen


Pedit hey i hope ur being genuine bc I try hard to be pleasant to play with
Its hard to tell if u are tho

I am being genuine right now. I think your scum but I do like your posts in terms of what I see from your personality.

[Liger_Zero]

Or at least what you are projecting. Assuming the things I am reading between isn't just an act or something and is your actual personality.

[Liger_Zero]

Or at least what you are projecting. Assuming the things I am reading between isn't just an act or something and is your actual personality.

Its my actual personality
And Im still not scum
If youre town youve somehow rly rly misunderstood my intentions and my thoughts this game

But I dont have any recent games to rly show that so its w/e
Xtoxms like the only person here w meta on me and i do like how hes applied it (and its true my play there was completely different but it also came from a time where i tried to sound intelligent. lol)

I really don't think so, I think you are still trying to appeal to those in the town block to get townread to carry you to endgame and hold of on any scrutiny till they are gone, and you think you can win with them gone is my assumption.

Or maybe you just want to buy time, not sure if you have an end goal with any of it.

You know what is funny though, I am directly sucking up to the townblock (prince specifically), hoping someone would call me out on it, and nobody did. Goes to show you how easy it is to get in their good graces when you just say you will do what they want. So I can see huge benefits from a scum perspective to do that and I think you are the most likely person doing that although your doing it a bit more subtle than me.

[Liger_Zero]

It's purely gut.

Max, I would like Dann but I don't think that's an option.

I'm in the PoE so I'm going eventually if we don't somehow get the scum team first

Dann my man, you are the town prince. You are never in the PoE <3

[Liger_Zero]

You know what is funny though, I am directly sucking up to the townblock (prince specifically), hoping someone would call me out on it, and nobody did.

I mean I did

You called me out on sucking up to you, not me sucking up to prince, who is the person in the townblock. I think that's kind of a important distinction there.

[Liger_Zero]

Considering a large portion of the town block (prince specifically made a case against you) was voting you less than 24 hours ago, "in their good graces" is a bit of a stretch.

I am always in your good graces <3

[Liger_Zero]

xtoxm is probably not scum. Not sure about McQueen. I can't understand mcqueens rage as much as xtoxm. McQueen has inconsistencies that don't match words that don't make sense in a few different scenarios I think. Does that make sense? I hope it does.

[Liger_Zero]

Enter? Says im trying to avoid an xtoxm lynch when ive been his biggest critic. And regardless of alignment xtoxm is literally just sitting there ACKNOWLEDGING he hasnt done anything by memeiny and posting one liners and he STILL wont just man up and ignore prince and play the fucking game

Like okay. I understand getting mad at Eagle. The xtoxm thing maybe less so? He wasn't upset about him before as far as I am aware and the anger/outlash seems to be out of whack. I mean, I am annoyed by xtoxm too but I was pointing that stuff out awhile ago? And McQueen is raging at everything like no tomorrow. Is he upset he is getting wagoned and just pointed at random things? Usually someone saying they are angry are going to tell you some truthful things they are angry about but if they are lying they are going to hide some underlying elements or overinflate some aspects. This feels like the case.

[Liger_Zero]

Also Liger is calling mcqueen scum(my) and has voted him within the last 24 hours and mcqueen made a post about how liger/dann is SvS less than 12 hours ago. How is this not both bussing each other?

I am merely defending my scumbuddy dannflor. Don't tell anyone else.

[Liger_Zero]

Enter? Says im trying to avoid an xtoxm lynch when ive been his biggest critic. And regardless of alignment xtoxm is literally just sitting there ACKNOWLEDGING he hasnt done anything by memeiny and posting one liners and he STILL wont just man up and ignore prince and play the fucking game

Like okay. I understand getting mad at Eagle. The xtoxm thing maybe less so? He wasn't upset about him before as far as I am aware and the anger/outlash seems to be out of whack. I mean, I am annoyed by xtoxm too but I was pointing that stuff out awhile ago? And McQueen is raging at everything like no tomorrow. Is he upset he is getting wagoned and just pointed at random things? Usually someone saying they are angry are going to tell you some truthful things they are angry about but if they are lying they are going to hide some underlying elements or overinflate some aspects. This feels like the case.

McQueen when you can, I want a response to this on what you think. Hopefully you cooled down and we can discuss this a bit more. I am not feeling you are being candid with me.

[Liger_Zero]

You made a point that was objectively wrong and this is how you defend it?

I don't defend points made by you, because you show zero respect in the way you make points. I dismiss them because you don't deserve any of my respect.

[Liger_Zero]

You made a point that was objectively wrong and this is how you defend it?

I don't defend my points against anything you say, because you show zero respect in the way you make points. I dismiss them because you don't deserve any of my respect.

Correction.

[Liger_Zero]

McQueen has basically called like 6 people scum in probably the last day. He freaks out at one person calls them scum. Then rinse and repeat. I can't keep track of them all.

[Liger_Zero]

You made a point that was objectively wrong and this is how you defend it?

I don't defend my points against anything you say, because you show zero respect in the way you make points. I dismiss them because you don't deserve any of my respect.

Correction.

So instead of refusing to respond to me or responding with how you're actually feeling in an attempt to fix the situation, you respond with veiled aggression and antagonism? I'm confused.

No, that's you.
I am making fun of you. You are the one with passive aggressive. Read your posts. Its all there.

[Liger_Zero]

McQueen has basically called like 6 people scum in probably the last day. He freaks out at one person calls them scum. Then rinse and repeat. I can't keep track of them all.

This post is false when I reread his ISO. He did it twice. Once to eagle than at xtoxm. I am not sure what is going on with him at all, but the behavior is strange.

[Liger_Zero]

Eagle. I don't know how to spell this out for you.
Everything I have posted has been a return and making fun of you and your behavior. So when I am being snarky/dismissive, its because you are being passive aggressive and acting just as that. When I am doing what you are saying as passive aggressive, it is against your passive aggressive behavior.

Like have some self awareness mate. I am bored of just returning the volley, its not as funny to me anymore. Its getting sad that you are still doing it.

[Liger_Zero]

No, that's you.
I am making fun of you. You are the one with passive aggressive. Read your posts. Its all there.

Do we have to do this again lmao
Even if you think hes being passive aggressive youre making fun of him by your own admission which isnt fun to read either
Also all he said was a fact, youre still very much in the lynchpool

Its not funny anymore anyways. He can continue, I will turn the other cheek like jesus.

[Liger_Zero]

McQueen has basically called like 6 people scum in probably the last day. He freaks out at one person calls them scum. Then rinse and repeat. I can't keep track of them all.

This post is false when I reread his ISO. He did it twice. Once to eagle than at xtoxm. I am not sure what is going on with him at all, but the behavior is strange.

He also pushed RAS yesterday before the Buj lynch.

And then just called us S/S, or at least implied he thought so.

Its weird shifts that don't make sense.

[Liger_Zero]

Eagle lets team up and punch max a bunch.

[Liger_Zero]

I think jesus would do that.

[Liger_Zero]

Eagle, do you answer what was townie about max again? I don't remember reading that.

[Liger_Zero]

I want answers on why is max town from people other than max!
I think max wants to hear those too.

[Liger_Zero]

I am not mad at you at all, I am annoyed by your passive aggressive behavior because Id rather you just be full on aggressive and I find it funny no one else but me can see your behavior for what it is, but you know, it is what it is.

You do you, I ain't gonna indulge those passive aggressive posts you make with snark anymore because it just isn't funny anymore.

[Liger_Zero]

I am not mad at you at all, I am annoyed by your passive aggressive behavior because Id rather you just be full on aggressive and I find it funny no one else but me can see your behavior for what it is, but you know, it is what it is.

You do you, I ain't gonna indulge those passive aggressive posts you make with snark anymore because it just isn't funny anymore.

Actually, I have a theory on you that I am willing to post here:

I think you don't generally know how to interact with people if you scumread them because you inherently probably think it is an adversarial confrontation. So you engage in it as that subconsciously without thinking about it because you believe it is a you vs them thing. So I don't think you are being passive aggressive as maybe intentional but just as a way of how your mind perceives the interaction. So instead of waiting for the person to give you reason to be adversarial to you, you are already charged up and beginning it, so then that person fires back and then it gives you more reason to continue doing it. That then becomes a loop which continues infinitum.

I think I got it on the nose there.

[Liger_Zero]

And people said my psychology degree was a waste of money.

[Liger_Zero]

I want answers on why is max town from people other than max!
I think max wants to hear those too.

He made a post earlier that showed evidence he had read a recent game of mine. Implying he had gone to efforts to do meta to aid his reads. +town equity.

And you think it was extremely accurate I am assuming?

[Liger_Zero]

Yeah, I am bored with it.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't know what points you want me to address. But I will answer it in exchange for the town case on max.

[Liger_Zero]

Not sure what to think of that. Is that something that normally upsets you?

[Liger_Zero]

What is going on?

[Liger_Zero]

At least we still have dannflor

[Liger_Zero]

RadiantSealbells, what is your solve?

[Liger_Zero]

What is going on?

Hi! I don't believe we've met?

Could you help me catch up on any important events this game as well as what your PoE looks like? I'm mostly interested in the latter but if there's anything big I missed, letting me know would be cool.

Sure.

I replaced into this game middle of day 2 though so you aren't gonna have all the info:
Day 2 we lynched shoshin slot because she was flailing around looking like scum.
Day 3 we fence sitted all day between a few people to lynch, that included me and a few others and ended up lynching Nerfed because Ank thought they were lockscum based on associations with previous caught scum grapes.
Day 4 we are having a party. As in the lock town group is sticking together but i am ive been trying to rip them apart and people are calling me scum for it. Then everyone floundered around waiting for Prince to be confident on anything, then he replaced out.

Theres more I am missing but i think this is a good sparknotes version.

Scum is Maxwell.

my poe is not yet defined, though i am throwing in anyone in the locktown group everyone calls it. Just because.

[Liger_Zero]

Don't you replace out dannflor. Don't you dare.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: max

hi max, how are you this evening?

[Liger_Zero]

I have absolutely no clue about liger right now

And that is my plan

[Liger_Zero]

Alright so I have liked some of Liger's more recent posting, actually, but I don't like his exchange w/ Eagle at beginning of day today. My read on Liger/mcqueen is a lot like this:

You are eagle though.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger read on DDL right now

gut is fine

he is in my PoE. I have reasons to townread and scum read him. I haven't a great hold on what he is doing exactly.

[Liger_Zero]

OK

I think I know what I want to do today

Do a seal dance?

[Liger_Zero]

Damn. Do I need to hard pocket you more? When you gonna just trust me Dann. How much butt kissing do I got to do before you just accept me as your brother in arms.

[Liger_Zero]

DDL, are you just disinterested in game? What is going through your brain?

[Liger_Zero]

Damn. Do I need to hard pocket you more? When you gonna just trust me Dann. How much butt kissing do I got to do before you just accept me as your brother in arms.

It makes me trust you less my dude

You are so scum then. The scummiest person in this game, the most scum person in scummersville. But I will save you for last because I want to burn your scum empire to the ground mr scum.

This guy is scum yall

[Liger_Zero]

You are so scum then. The scummiest person in this game, the most scum person in scummersville. But I will save you for last because I want to burn your scum empire to the ground mr scum.

This guy is scum yall

oh liger is town

Nice try scum!

[Liger_Zero]

DDL, are you just disinterested in game? What is going through your brain?

if we are going through a lynch order solve, my lynch definitely gives the most information so

Weird. What happened to your survivalism? I didn't even think you were scum for that.

[Liger_Zero]

Weird. What happened to your survivalism? I didn't even think you were scum for that.

I don't think I was ever survivalistic this game?

You really were yesterday.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: McQueen

Sheeppppp me. I have the best reads. I am god at this game.

[Liger_Zero]

yea I think mcqueen has higher scum equity

keep bussing scum!

[Liger_Zero]

6/7 times mcqueen flips town imo

if he flips town I will townread u

[Liger_Zero]

Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.

are you not more worried DDL could get town read again?

I think if the game lynches Lylo and DDL is there, he will get lynched

ok

if mcqueen flips scum I will push a liger lynch for you tomorrow provided I'm also alive

Same

[Liger_Zero]

Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.

are you not more worried DDL could get town read again?

I think if the game lynches Lylo and DDL is there, he will get lynched

ok

if mcqueen flips scum I will push a liger lynch for you tomorrow provided I'm also alive

jesus fucking christ

you think liger ever ignites me tomorrow when i'm explicitly not going for him?

stop

I am going to ignite tomorrow, i am tired of u not pushing me senpai

[Liger_Zero]

I want all the scum credit if this flips scum.

[Liger_Zero]

from trying to make a splash when replacing in by responding to random posts when he replaced in to not reading the game thread all the way (8-ball, no deadlines) to maintaining an artificially high post count by doing blatantly scummy things like sheeping dann to hide the fact that that's what he's actually trying to do (giphy) to trying to get into an argument that results in both players calming down and calling it TvT (rapier/2059) to tunneling a single player at a time for most of the game while trying to maintain openness about reads (2059/giphy), Liger's scum game almost perfectly mirrors mine

Like what about the way he's interacting w/ me this game doesn't look like the way I interacted w/ mbaki in rapier to you?

Projection much?

[Liger_Zero]

it's super optimal to ignite tonight btw

you should do it

on it

[Liger_Zero]

I don't like the nickname l0. Can I be called Liger or lig0. l0 looks too much like 10.

[Liger_Zero]

By the way I'm still keeping mcqueen on townlist for a gamble.
If I win I get to laugh at you all. If I lose I go down the trail of embarrassment.

U are just wracking up all those laugh at you points.
You did it yesterday and now today assuming you are right.

I hope you are wrong so you don't overdose.

[Liger_Zero]

You did it yesterday and now today assuming you are right.

I was right on buj town though.

I am not saying you were.

[Liger_Zero]

And throughout 19X - 204 enter repeatedly posts the same shit how liger and me are scum. Like his narrative is just repeating that over and over. Hes not doing much else other than a few relatively useless interactions with others, his narrative of me/liger always returns. Its sad how little effort he’s actually putting in and getting away with it

I don't think its low effort. But it is definitely like he is a broken record.

[Liger_Zero]

i feel like he genuinely believes me and Liger or scum. I can’t speak for Liger, but the fact that his narrative hasn’t been swayed at ALL on me all day and I of course know he’s wrong doesn’t sit well with me

His mind isn't opened to being changed. He is in his belief system.

[Liger_Zero]

I have a horrible time reading people who are on the defensive. My natural reaction is to scumread them for being so defensive. Want to see less defensive McQueen.

[Liger_Zero]

@Radiant He probably knows if he hard scumreads you that you will go hard on you. You seem like the kind of person to hard push anyone calling you scum.

Or maybe he just isn't sure. Who knows. The defensive nature of all this is all to sort.

[Liger_Zero]

his overconfidence in his solve is whats making me start to think he could be scum
and tunneling is a really easy to way to look like you're doing stuff
i coasted for like 2 days in LNT by tunneling mcqueen

I mean, people could say I am tunneling Max...but I don't think the way he is doing it is at all fake? Man fake is a loaded term. I can't see anything fake in the way he approaches that tunnel.

[Liger_Zero]

And throughout 19X - 204 enter repeatedly posts the same shit how liger and me are scum. Like his narrative is just repeating that over and over. Hes not doing much else other than a few relatively useless interactions with others, his narrative of me/liger always returns. Its sad how little effort he’s actually putting in and getting away with it

I don't think its low effort. But it is definitely like he is a broken record.

i know ur pocketing me but i have to take it cuz you understand my pain

I mean I think if I was trying to pocket you, I wouldn't be voting you or think you are scum. But okay friend.

[Liger_Zero]

Radiant needs to go back to bussing if he is scum.

[Liger_Zero]

Cool story brour on me cuz ur trying to follow the majority, not cuz u actually think im scum.

I can detail my reasons more if you want and you can answer them in more detail if you like.

[Liger_Zero]

Well, I first thought the reasons you gave for your annoyance/angry about the various things going on in the game seemed overblown to a point. I am sure you were pissed/annoyed but it didn't seem like it was at the real level projected. Seemed overbloated. For instance the reasons you gave me earlier:

> wagon switching really fast (not sure I have heard that is a thing people get annoyed over? maybe if the game is going too fast paced that makes sense)
> few conftown players (huh? don't most games work like this game. Or is your reads just impossible to make some town players harder town reads because of no kills.)
> Enter (completely makes sense, not gonna dispute that)
> xtoxm (seemed overblown)

I think all that and your reactions makes more sense if I am assuming you have other stuff not related to the game or just feeling dogpiled.

Then we have your behavior around various people with reads. As others pointed out (I think dann pointed out you had 2 other people RAS and someone else where you freaked out and gave them scumreads then dropped them and never talked about them again). They just seem isolated from each other and have no fluid nature to them at all, and you might be looking for something to stick.

Like just look at the recent thing with Radiant. I am not sure what you are doing with it. I don't think you want to create that conflict but maybe you are trying to get that emotional appeal going?

Basically your reads have gone all over the place, not understanding the flow and even your explosions seem overdone. What is going on with all this?

Like if you stay defensive it will probably just reinforce my read on you, but you giving out all the scumreads for people the way you have been is making it hard to see that as town freakout right now. Also I have been seeing a few misunderstandings which makes me think the freakout might be real but again hard to decipher the legitimacy of it.

[Liger_Zero]

Also I have been seeing a few misunderstandings which makes me think the freakout might be real but again hard to decipher the legitimacy of it.

Clarification the freakout is real but that doesn't make you town just that you aren't faking that at the moment. Not sure that makes sense but wanted to be said cause the misunderstandings were something that made me go "huh...that's odd".

[Liger_Zero]

Is xtoxm still scum in your eyes radiant?

[Liger_Zero]

That seems like a dumb question in retrospect.

[Liger_Zero]

dannflor ur my favorite scum

[Liger_Zero]

max gets second place, you get first place.
I love the scum team a lot.

[Liger_Zero]

Did you read the last few pages?

[Liger_Zero]

I think I have become obsessed with the townblock which has a lot of irony to it.

[Liger_Zero]

Specifically
"you guys are obsessed with your town block"
"mcqueen is probably town"
"scum are in the town block"
"eagle/rei is last scum w/ max"
"vote mcqueen"
"mcqueen has called a lot of people scum i can't even keep track anymore"
"sheep me on mcqueen"
*agrees w/ mcqueen in that I'm probably wrong on mcqueen*

I think all these things make sense to you. But to people like me you just stated random stuff and cobbled together and say they make a point.

Also the last point is in contention. Wasn't agreeing with McQueen he was wrong him. Was agreeing with him that your approach is broken record.

[Liger_Zero]

Advice for formatting your scumreads: If you are going to go through bullet points of posts and say that makes a person scum, it helps to lay out some kind of reasoning/narrative the person is doing in said posts. For example. I will make your scum case for you.

Ill go through each posts as:
1) Liger was obsessing with town block, and was trying to undermine it. Scum equity.
2) States McQueen is town to diminish the support on him. Scum equity.
3) Again is trying to break up the town block. Scum equity
4) Trying to spread doubt on Eagle/Rei. Scum equity
5) Now is bussing an ally as he sees the momentum shift. Scum equity.
6) Is saying McQueen is scum for things he has done. Hypocritical and trying to gain town points. Scum equity.
7) Trying to get points for flipping ally by pushing on ally. Scum equity
8) Tries to discredit me. Scum equity.


Now that I have reasons behind this, I can tell a story of what liger is doing and how that makes him scum.

[Liger_Zero]

Your honor. If it pleases the court, I want to tell everyone a story.

Of an evil evil person. Who tried to go against our little community and would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for the fine detective work of mr Enter.

You see, it all began when a liger noticed that he couldn't achieve his goals with our tight knit community together. So he had to do things in order to first appear trustworthy to us, but also undermine our trust in each other in order to break it apart. He would spread messages to people saying that Eagle and Rei weren't as trustworthy as we should see them. He would defend others when it was most convenient and most reasonable to do so. As soon as he saw it wasn't convenient, he would drop that and turn around to gain the support of this community but not without still trying to undermine it while doing so. You see, he is a mastermind of confusion and deliberately trying to break this town apart. Now I say to the court, is this what we believe is an actual, innocent and law abiding citizen would do?

I rest my case.

[Liger_Zero]

Fish if you don’t want to read just say you don’t want to read lol