Fire on the Mountain [Over]

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I can't anymore

you win

You sound like duck

I'm tired of winning.

You win.

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No like I'm actually married to them IRL it's not just a meme

Congratulations!

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Formerfish + Jingle?

hm

worth relooking at alisae's tunnel of FA/Jingle

What.
Tunnel.

Stop.
Calling.
It.
A.
Tunnel.

I'm triggered

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Back in my day we didn't call it a tunnel until it was actually a tunnel. The way you treat mafia you'd think that everyone is scum just for trying to get town to agree on a lynch.

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but regardless Jingle/Alisae is possible?

Sure.

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Back in my day "tunnel" was used when someone was exhibiting "tunnel vision." They couldn't see anyone else as scum, they weren't interested in considering other options, and when engaged on the matter, they refused to reconsider their case. I don't remember anyone being particularly engaging w/ Alisae on eir case, people just kind of let it sit. If you expect someone's scum read on another player to go away just because it sticks around for a bit of time, you've either got weird expectations or I don't really wanna play w/ the players you've been playing w/.

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Back in my day we didn't call it a tunnel until it was actually a tunnel. The way you treat mafia you'd think that everyone is scum just for trying to get town to agree on a lynch.

okay sorry

it was a hard push

Yes.

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like

it's down to mp/ff/or/xtoxm
right?
like nobody thinks it's REALLY outside this group of people?

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Wait why aren't we lynching DDL again

because creature said
"game is hard, let's make it harder"

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VOTE: or

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like nobody thinks it's REALLY outside this group of people?

Add zoids-dude and Dann and drop FF imo.

why not ff?

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nvm

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ok nobody REALLY thinks it's outside of :

"mp/dann/or/xtoxm"

right?

zoids dude is town

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nvm

like nobody thinks it's REALLY outside this group of people?

Add zoids-dude and Dann and drop FF imo.

why not ff?

I've made like 8 posts about why Ali is lock town to me.

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Huh whatever

but I think we lynch Formerfish tomorrow

no

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Ok so this lynch order:

or/mp/xtoxm/dann

guarantees we win the game as long as there is two scum in it

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Ok so this lynch order:

or/mp/xtoxm/dann

guarantees we win the game as long as there is two scum in it

alright

or/xtoxm/mp/dann

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1. Select four random names
2. Group them together
3. Suggest to lynch all of them
4. Say:

guarantees we win the game as long as there is two scum in it

see the lynch pool
call it wrong
provide nothing helpful otherwise
thanks

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I don't think the grapes wagon is all town btw

hence one of alisae or max

leaning alisae

no

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fine

let's do

max/xtoxm/or/dann

and if max flips town

we go back to ff

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we should do xtoxm first if he actually clears 2

who does he clear?

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ok so
or/xtoxm/mp/dann

ank

do you have more think you want to do or can someone hammer?

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i'm ok w/ offing xtoxm today

i was thinking the same thing about mcqueen but you know how well that went down :/

if we off ddl rn we can do xtoxm tomorrow and he still doesn't get to lylo

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aiight

UNVOTE:

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alright take your time and don't get dead
that would be awkward

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Ugh I gotta actually

READ

all the Enter posts??
The mere though of it is filling me with

determination

pain.

I want a total character count on my posts, TBH, because I'd be fascinated what percentage of the total thread I'm actually participating considering I think I have the largest free-form wall posts in the game.

As of this post I also have 978 posts, in a 6147 post thread, which is only 15.9%, to be honest, which is rookie numbers.

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Something I do on rereads is take people who have particularly large post counts or who are particularly difficult to read and I assume they're town and then read the thread based around that assumption. After doing so, I go back and read the individual players by themselves. This might help a bit.

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We actually could make it to civ mafia levels if everyone was as dedicated to posting as I am. We still have 13 players alive, we just need everyone to hit 1154 posts and we've made it.

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Something I do on rereads is take people who have particularly large post counts or who are particularly difficult to read and I assume they're town and then read the thread based around that assumption. After doing so, I go back and read the individual players by themselves. This might help a bit.

Do not tempt me you foul lizard

Why not? It would be so easy! Think of all the time you'd save!

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Also I'm going to pretend I'm not hurt by the fact that you called me a lizard. I didn't choose this avatar!

I am an Eagle in Snake's clothing!

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Lizards aren't snakes.

I am not a lizard.

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Are you done rereading yet?

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I'm just happy things started making sense again.

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Not saying all these posts point to a town read, but I disagree with your assessment that ali hadn't done anything substantial prior to

Spoiler: substantial things ali has done that are readable before the first post rei quoted

I’m kinda excited to play mafia
This isn’t a feeling I’ve experienced in awhile

Hello

whoever vigs alisae gets to ride to lylo

Look I know I was awful back then but give me a second chance please I’m a better person now.

VOTE: Eagle
Yo RQS in 2019 poggers

Yo why are you so uptight?

its not even phrasing of what your saying, though it is kinda awkward.
the fact you care so much about where people are voting on the first few pages of the game is what irks me

Oh, yeah. Isn't it weird? I like it though. It's fun to talk about. What if we assumed everything everyone did was for a reason, no matter how small? Then would you care to talk about votes on the first two pages of the game?

I'll get back to this a post later but for now, how excited are you for this game on a scale of 1-10, 1 being not really at all 10 being most hyped up moment in your life

Things are done for a reason thats how we get out of RVS. We only take about what happens on these pages on these pages. These pages are actually very insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things. You aren't going to be refer to be basing things on page 1 to get a read on someone on page 50 or higher or whatever. You're just not.

however, if you're really looking forward to the game and you rand villager, its likely that your behavoir makes sense, so it comes out as awkward and trying to force a start of the game when simply put one doesn't exist. Because you're trying to force the game to start quicker, it looks awkward, therefore this interaction happens.

So ur probably just town tbh but I'll re-evaluate tomorrow just to be sure

Things are done for a reason thats how we get out of RVS. We only take about what happens on these pages on these pages. These pages are actually very insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things. You aren't going to be refer to be basing things on page 1 to get a read on someone on page 50 or higher or whatever. You're just not.

however, if you're really looking forward to the game and you rand villager, its likely that your behavoir makes sense, so it comes out as awkward and trying to force a start of the game when simply put one doesn't exist. Because you're trying to force the game to start quicker, it looks awkward, therefore this interaction happens.

So ur probably just town tbh but I'll re-evaluate tomorrow just to be sure

Do you not think that town and scum post differently in RVS?

And if they do, can't we use this to build cases?

I agree that it becomes less and less important as the game goes on, but a lot of times one or more scum can be caught in RVS alone.

no and if u use it to build cases and those cases aren’t on a single digit page your case is shit.
If your posting a case on a single digit page then thats a red flag in of itself

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is lyncanfire transcend?

-insert is this a pigeon meme here-

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I actually dont like EE's reaction to DT

why

I think that's a bad vote.

ngl I am agreeing

UNVOTE:

Ngl I don’t get why people were voting one of the most towniest people in the game current (which really doesn’t say much considering we’re not that deep into the game) but it seems people are voting me now and I don’t really see a problem with that.

why

I couldn't trace his emotions in it.

He was joking about something sirious he was doing and it just felt bizzare.

words joking and sirious are not accurate. not sure how to describe it. Lets say "Out of place"

ngl I thought this too but I decided to ignore it because I think thats likely just how he writes and isn’t really alignment indicative. Idunno I’m not buyin it tbh.

VOTE: clemency
Honestly now that I think about it this is better then voting not voting

ngl

Ngl

ngl

If she tells me she can't, I'll reply
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme
Let me know that at least she will try
And then she'll be a true love of mine

ngl
I have no idea what teh fuck ur saying
But I have to care because I have to get a read on your slot because surprise
That’s how mafia works

pedit: What are your current reads ali?

Eagle town tbh not much to really good off of aside from that, nothing interested me in the last few pages.
But that’ll change prolly.
You?

Anyway, none of my quotes or votes were random.

ngl, if you're trying to get someone to ask you why you did something, you might as well talk about everything you did

my current main read is that I'm sleepy. I think I'm going to start from there and see how things develop - in bed.

then I have no idea what the fuck you expect from me read wise.
But yush get some sleep dear

FA is probably town btw but its kinda too early to lock it in.

hell its too early to be calling her town but that's how mafia works

Cool can we go onto the next meme now?

why did I unvote a townread huh thats a good question why would I possibly unvote a townread?

also 200 posts earlier:

pedit: What are your current reads ali?

FA asks for the same from ali. :/

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Also a bit odd that as soon as I start posting 3 votes get dropped on me after it seemed like I was being taken off the block for today. Guess I'm the counter wagon to scum!or?

it doesn't have to do w/ you starting to post

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Spoiler: Vote Counts

Votecount 2.1

Karmeleon(1)

~ mcqueen⁽²⁾

DrDolittle(1)

~ Jingle⁽³⁾

Alisae(1)

~ Lycanfire⁽¹⁾


Not Voting (13): Shoshin⁽¹⁾, Gamma Emerald⁽⁰⁾, Alisae⁽⁷⁾, Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁵⁾, Dannflor⁽⁰⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽⁰⁾, Clemency⁽⁰⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽²⁾, DrDolittle⁽⁰⁾, Vedith⁽⁶⁾, Prince of Renais⁽²⁾, Xtoxm⁽⁰⁾, Karmeleon⁽⁰⁾

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 19:19:59)

Votecount 2.2

Alisae(4)

~ Lycanfire⁽²⁾, mcqueen⁽³⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽¹⁰⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽¹⁾

Lycanfire(2)

~ Alisae⁽¹³⁾, Shoshin⁽⁶⁾

DrDolittle(1)

~ Dannflor⁽²⁶⁾

Dannflor(1)

~ Jingle⁽²⁰⁾


Not Voting (8): Gamma Emerald⁽⁰⁾, Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁶⁾, Clemency⁽⁰⁾, DrDolittle⁽⁷⁾, Vedith⁽⁸⁾, Prince of Renais⁽⁶⁾, Xtoxm⁽⁰⁾, Karmeleon⁽⁷⁾

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 19:19:59)

Votecount 2.3

Shoshin(5)

~ Prince of Renais⁽⁴⁷⁾, Jingle⁽⁵⁰⁾, Dannflor⁽⁵³⁾, Alisae⁽⁴¹⁾, Reiuji Utsuho⁽¹⁷⁾

Alisae(4)

~ Lycanfire⁽⁵⁾, mcqueen⁽⁵⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽⁵²⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽³⁾

Lycanfire(2)

~ Shoshin⁽¹⁷⁾, Vedith⁽¹⁵⁾

Vedith(1)

~ DrDolittle⁽¹⁶⁾


Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald⁽⁰⁾, Clemency⁽⁰⁾, Xtoxm⁽⁰⁾, Karmeleon⁽⁹⁾

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 19:19:59)

Prodding Gamma Emerald, Clemency and xtoxm.

Votecount 2.4

Shoshin(6)

~ Jingle⁽⁹⁶⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽⁷³⁾, Alisae⁽⁷⁰⁾, Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁴⁸⁾, Prince of Renais⁽⁹⁸⁾, Dannflor⁽⁹⁸⁾

Jingle(2)

~ Shoshin⁽⁹²⁾, Vedith⁽²⁵⁾

Alisae(2)

~ mcqueen⁽⁶⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽⁹⁾

Vedith(1)

~ DrDolittle⁽¹⁸⁾

Prince of Renais(1)

~ Xtoxm⁽⁹⁾

Dannflor(1)

~ Ankamius⁽¹¹⁾


Not Voting (3): Gamma Emerald⁽⁰⁾, Clemency⁽⁰⁾, Karmeleon⁽¹¹⁾

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 19:19:59)

Ankamius replaces Lycanfire.

Just wanted to check that Ali was on counter wagon to and also part of shoshin buildup cuz otherwise point 3 of your argument doesn't make sense but sure enough

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I concede re first point then. I think I might've missed some posts while reading. Although

FA asks for the same from ali. :/

Do you not see the difference between that and the other?
When FA asked Ali for reads, it was like, natural.
It was not when Ali asked her read on self.

I think Ali's pointed desire to read the FA slot makes that post seem natural
and as someone who has played with FA before I understand the importance of sorting her early

So... IDK
I'd support an FF lynch, but only cuz of p much what ank said. I trust you if you say it's awkward, I didn't really read it as awkward at all, though, kinda read as a normal approach when tyring to sort someone

some of ali's stances .. or lack thereof are really why i voted em beginning of day 2.

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Also a bit odd that as soon as I start posting 3 votes get dropped on me after it seemed like I was being taken off the block for today. Guess I'm the counter wagon to scum!or?

it doesn't have to do w/ you starting to post

How would you know as not one of the people who voted?

bc he's read the last 10 pages

So did I. It seemed like in the last few pages a lynch pool was being made and I wasn't on it. Then suddenly 3 votes.

We were considering your lynch between the lines.
You weren't in the official lynch pool but everyone was thinking about lynching you and everyone kinda wanted to.

Ok, screw this, I'm going with my guts.

Xtoxm is town, and so is Clem/Max.

Finished. Done. No going back. No regret.

Fair enough.

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I think Ali's pointed desire to read the FA slot makes that post seem natural
and as someone who has played with FA before I understand the importance of sorting her early

I never played with her before. Therefore your view may contain some sort of bias, but I can guarantee that mine does not.
Therefore I win.

Except when bias affects you in a positive way.
Therefore I win?

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what I really can't understand is why no one has really tried to add me to the lynchpool this game

i would expect myself to be scum's easiest candidate for an additional mislynch but no one's been setting up for it and i've been waiting for someone to

unless formerfish's last post counts but this isn't really the time to do that

People have tried but we shut them down.

I feel surprisingly enlightened right now and I don't know why.
But I like this feeling.

That happens when you reread the thread.

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of course the poe lynchbait pool is town

it's FormerFish + Jingle lol

...

Annnnnnndddd... now you've gone too far?

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Lynching me will just cost town another vanilla.

I honestly don't care if you guys lynch me.

I replaced in to help move the game along. If you all agree that my death tells you something about who is scum, then vote away.

this is the least genuine of all the "idc if i die actually" that I've read the last few days

xtoxm's was also p fake, tbh

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Bad Ank!

What did you mess up?

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Imagine you're living in a world where you're dead wrong (otherwise known to the rest of us as reality), where do you do then?

You make it sounds like that wasn't the case since Day 2.

If Ali is scum like you propose, you should say day 3. Or partway through day 2. Just for accuracy. And so that my feelings are less hurt.

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xtoxm's was also p fake, tbh

How competent is grapes?

Based on their play this game?
Not.
But I'm as experienced with them as you are.

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then the game makes no sense.

that EXACT team fits the gamestate perfectly, and it makes sense with the feeling I had throughout D3 that there was scum towards the top end of the lynchpool that was waiting for the towncore to be obliterated to take over the town.

there's no need for that team to ignite because... well, why? town was stagnating and getting stuck on their lynchbait lynches, it also allows a better chance to muddy the douse order and ignite everyone in the towncore instead of just the active core, and it wouldn't even seem too strange that they aren't dead until they have to start dousing people below them.

No other team makes sense to you?

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no other team fits perfectly into the game like that one does

calm down sparky

p sure jingle has been trying at least somewhat

also they pushed each other

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FA was town. maybe her scumread on ali was right.

This
FA wants to keep her friends in her game w/ her as scum

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if Jingle is not Alisae's partner, it's Dannflor or or

That's what I'm getting at

Jingle doesn't make sense as her partner.

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no other team fits perfectly into the game like that one does

calm down sparky

p sure jingle has been trying at least somewhat

also they pushed each other

when and how strong was the pushing?

ali was like FA's only big push, iirc
FA was ali's only big push

ali made a giant wallpost on why fa is scum

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if Jingle is not Alisae's partner, it's Dannflor or or

That's what I'm getting at

Jingle doesn't make sense as her partner.

??

??
hush i'm not pushing for your lynch either

i think maybe or

idk

I'd much prefer it that way Enter

i think you got reallllly excited and you're spewing names

i want you to look at their isos or actually even just read teh game but just their interactions

i'll do the same but not now

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The pushes from either end can easily be buses/distancing, that team is certainly possible

ali made a giant wallpost on why fa is scum

like actually read how this came about though

them pushing each other isn't why i'm not scumreading them together
it's just part of it
relax

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i'm not saying NO
I'm saying
hold your horses
lemme fact check before we ride off the edge of the earth

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I'm fine with [fish,jingle,or,myself] being the lynch pool

I feel good about fish flipping red

this is very very anti-town
you've been doing not town things a lot recently
do i need to look at you more closely

??
hush i'm not pushing for your lynch either

I'm not worried you are

just not getting where Jingle/Alisae doesn't make some sense

gimme time

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I'm also going to get ready for food and sleep

So it's going to have to wait some time.

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Also someone look at dann that's not me please

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dann has independent scum equity :/

Yes he does.

this is very very anti-town
you've been doing not town things a lot recently
do i need to look at you more closely

sigh

i dont fucking care look at me more closely

im not saying LET'S END THE DAY RIGHT NOW

I'm just saying that's where I'm feeling right now

maybe my tone is not getting conveyed through text properly

None of what you addressed is anywhere close to what was scum motivated in your post.

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I'm reading what you're DOING not what you're saying, dann.

It's not a tone read, it's a - wow the things he is pushing for us to do right now are not pro-town. That's kind scary.

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I'm fine with [fish,jingle,or,myself] being the lynch pool

I feel good about fish flipping red

Lynchpool

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Dann what has been our problem the last three days?

What numbers are we trying to maintain?

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Alright, so we have difficulty maintaining a constant PoE between players in the town block and we have trouble keeping the PoE w/in a specific number of players. Right now if we don't lynch scum in the next three days, we lose. That means you can have 1 scum in a pool of 3 or 2 scum in a pool of 4. I proposed a pool of 4 earlier that contained both scum. You just proposed a completely different lynch pool that contained 2 players which were outside the pool before and without contesting or pushing against the players currently in the pool. Even if you fully believe in the lynch pool you proposed, maintaining and pushing that without having a good solid clear on all the players before is a good way to keep town in general confused on who to lynch and the overall lynch pool of town is quite large. If we lynch in the pool you listed right now and there is only one scum in it (you) then we end up in lylo w/ 3 possible scum candidates that have large amounts of contention about them for like the entirety of the game.

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If I need to explain more why proposing 2 new players (and yourself) like that isn't good, I can, I might have been too wordy or whatever with the last post.

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Like I can't follow your train of thought from the last lynch being somewhat acceptable to it not being acceptable whatsoever.

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It's not about me agreeing or disagreeing, it's about trying to reach a consensus and maintaining scum w/in that consensus, and your move took us farther away from consensus without any effort to put us back in a winnable condition

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ank might actually be right

Please don't lynch FF until I get a chance to read Jingle/Ali interactions, etc.

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Alright, so we have difficulty maintaining a constant PoE between players in the town block and we have trouble keeping the PoE w/in a specific number of players. Right now if we don't lynch scum in the next three days, we lose. That means you can have 1 scum in a pool of 3 or 2 scum in a pool of 4. I proposed a pool of 4 earlier that contained both scum. You just proposed a completely different lynch pool that contained 2 players which were outside the pool before and without contesting or pushing against the players currently in the pool. Even if you fully believe in the lynch pool you proposed, maintaining and pushing that without having a good solid clear on all the players before is a good way to keep town in general confused on who to lynch and the overall lynch pool of town is quite large. If we lynch in the pool you listed right now and there is only one scum in it (you) then we end up in lylo w/ 3 possible scum candidates that have large amounts of contention about them for like the entirety of the game.

that's fair

I am getting carried away and excited

and maybe not useful right now

I just want to get to the end of this game and win

but I should take a break for a bit and come back because I'm getting weirdly frustrated and emotional and that's gonna help no one

Ok, I trust you, I think. Just... be careful about the way you approach the game? I feel weird.

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RC
do you think I'm somewhat competent at mafia?

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nvm that's awkward i'm sorry I asked

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that's all i care about i can move on w/ the game thx

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Dann are you nervous

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there is a correct answer

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Dann

I have a correct answer that I'm looking for

I already know what the answer is

be completely honest with me

are you nervous

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Is indigestion a valid answer

we were right the first time

you're right on your gamestate read

you're wrong on the person

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I am anxious

I don't know if nervous is the right word

but it's the particular kind of anxiety only playing mafia can give me

Wrong word.
My b.

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@Ank

we were wrong on Buj because he fit gamestate, but didn't fit individually
i was wrong on mcqueen because he fit individually but not gamestate
you are wrong on fish because he fits gamestate but not individually

dann is both

he's out of hte lynch pool and was most of the game and therefore only slightly nervous
he widened lynch pool recently because he realized that he and ddl are both in it
which is why he put himself in the lynch pool of three that he just introduced
because he wants to try to add a specific weight to the pool
and also because he wants to make the pool look like it's larger than 2, when it isn't
if he was really certain on the scum team, he should have called them out in pairs

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Enter, it's not me

What's not you?
Be specific.

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... :/

We were right on our first reread.

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My vote isn't on you, yet, dann.
You still have breathing room
so use it

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Enter

you are incorrect in your assumption that I only get anxiety playing scum

That's not what I assumed
That's not why I asked you that question
I know you get anxiety as both alignments
I will go into more detail as to why we had that exchange later
Please answer my question, though.

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Ask me to check it tomorrow enter

Ank, will you check it tomorrow?
:3

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Enter, it's not me

What's not you?
Be specific.

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Enter, it's not me

What's not you?
Be specific.

I'm not the FF partner you're looking for

I'm not looking for a FF partner, so we're good on that account!

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Damn it enter you know what I mean lol

I know I'll ask you again tomorrow
Sorry I couldn't resist

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You missed one of the possible partners, though.

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Enter, it's not me

What's not you?
Be specific.

I'm not the FF partner you're looking for

I'm not looking for a FF partner, so we're good on that account!

Great

That's what I'm looking for

Fair, but telling me that you're not something that i'm not looking for doesn't help me much, does it?

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which one

Quote the post where you saw the list of possible FF partners and you'll see it.

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if Jingle is not Alisae's partner, it's Dannflor or or

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Nope, Liger is town.

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If not from that post, where did you get your list of possible partners from?

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Not right now.

I want more from you but I'm not sure how to get it without giving away what I'm getting at, so I'm going to go eat and do some other stuff and I'll give you more later.

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Hey guys im doing important stuff but i see solving happening so hit me up if you need something i like to be included

Ummmmmmmmmmmm ok special mission
I need you to prove/disprove the FF slot and them being aligned w/ the Jingle slot
Just be honest and get me to as close to very likely or not at all possible as you can.

don't leave me hanging enter

Sorry, I hate to do this, but I'm really hungry
and I really REALLY need to pack.

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you realize I have or in the pool right

No?

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I'm fine with [fish,jingle,or,myself] being the lynch pool

I feel good about fish flipping red

Ah
My b
"or" is such a terrible name

who on earth chooses "or" as a name

i hate this game

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I still have things I'm doing w/ you dann

i'm not done w/ you yet

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i'm really really hungry

ok screw packing i'll keep working on it when i get back
i'll see y'all in a bit

max i'm still refreshing if u come back from that mission cuz there's stuff i want from it

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i wanna do things with ankamius

you're making me jealous

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yea wait you just reminded me I haven't eaten in 12 hours that's problematic

24 get rekt nerd

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We should make an MS group that keeps each other in check to make sure we eat more regularly

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I keep getting ideas like this and I get all excited ...

And then I remember that I'm gonna be gone soon

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It was a lot easier to eat when I was working out more..

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does drinking tea count as eating

Depends if you want it to or not

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And then I remember that I'm gonna be gone soon

consider this
you should stay instead

Good point.

If I had a choice I wouldn't leave.

I'll be back by Christmas.


Hopefully

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Oh, cool, another day of not lynching DDL.

What do you think of the fact that everyone thinks you can be anyone's scum buddy?

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I feel like the fact that no one else is picking up on what I'm saying is...

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I think that

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Enter, do you lift?

I did when I was younger but never very seriously

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Hi rc

I'm on my tablet but I'm here

well i was hoping to do things with you privately

let's ask the mod for a PT

You can't have 2 Scum PTs.
Post it in the one you have.

One would be scum PT the other a neighborhood

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i can't attempt to seduce ankamius in our scum pt

that's for business this is personal

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I feel like the fact that no one else is picking up on what I'm saying is...

Did you want us to step on your toes with Dann?

N-no?

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Yeah the scum pt is for my mental breakdowns at the stresses of playing scum

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I'm confused

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What are you doing

Do you really feel very good about FF?
Why?

Also I expected slightly different reactions to recent developments and I don't know what to make of it

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I keep trying to wrap my head around why and I can't


And it only confuses me more that no one else is confused

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do you want to talk to me more yet

Yes I wanted you to keep talking the whole time why did you stop

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I'm sitting at my kitchen table eating and looking at my tablet

My thinking cap is off for the night

Does that help :V

A littttttle bit


But there are other people here...

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do you want to talk to me more yet

Yes I wanted you to keep talking the whole time why did you stop

I have to breathe enter

Why

Just do that while you talk

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do you want to talk to me more yet

Yes I wanted you to keep talking the whole time why did you stop

I have to breathe enter

No you don't

Stop lying

Ank is taking over this interrogation for me


She's better at it and she has all my thoughts in her head already

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what do you want to talk to me about enter~

I want to talk to you about a lot of things ~

But for this game only let's start with do you believe in FF rn?

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Dannflor you're in the dog house right now and the only way to get out is to talk your way out of it.


I want a stream of consciousness

But I want that stream to be a stream in the same way the Pacific Ocean is a puddle

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Dannflor

What color are the fingers I am holding up?

chartreuse

Wrong she was holding up a chicken finger it was brown

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What are you doing

Do you really feel very good about FF?
Why?

Also I expected slightly different reactions to recent developments and I don't know what to make of it

Enter this started with me and Creature (and Ank and RC) going back through and redefining all our town reads

basically

the PoE we had before is probably mostly or all town, it's lynchbait, big surprise xtoxm can have his field day

I personally think FF makes a lot of sense just from a game state stand point, and with I'm pretty sure max being town

FF is the only slot left on the grapes that could possibly be a bus imo

Really

Really


It is? Fascinating

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Also that post was to RC but thx for answering anyways

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Really

Really


It is? Fascinating

well okay wait

jingle exists as well if alisae is scum

.

Really?

Fascinating

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Also that post was to RC but thx for answering anyways

Also this is a lie you can lynch me for it I'm sorry

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It was a different post that was for RC

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stop saying fascinating enter

Intriguing

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Dann I feel very conflicted right now

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Don't tell anyone else

Especially not RC or ank

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I'm trusting you as my friend

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Dann I need in depth reads on ddl, liger, and max

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Hey Enter.

Hey, what's up?

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Dann I need in depth reads on ddl, liger, and max

only from you, though

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When did you come into the game?

End of day yesterday, why?

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Yeah, no biggie.

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Dann I need in depth reads on ddl, liger, and max

does my wall on DDL not count

For DDL I need you to talk about associations w/ FF

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i'm sorry enter

but there's only room in my heart for ankamius

If she dies
or goes missing
or just.. you know
for some reason

can I be like.. the backup?

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Also RC

scale from 1 to 10
How much do you believe in an FF flip right now?

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Dann I need in depth reads on ddl, liger, and max

does my wall on DDL not count

For DDL I need you to talk about associations w/ FF

WHAT

*sigh*

don't worry about it
I got excited and it's not a thing, I don't think

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ok you can be the backup

ok

let's all just hope nothing at all happens to ank
and she doesn't go missing
or get hurt
or anything
cuz that would be TERRIBLE

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i refuse to answer that question. i don't want this day phase to be about my reads.

i feel like if i were leading in the correct directions scum would have either ignited or tried to set me up as a mislynch by now.

It's not about your reads

I'm not trying to make you lead or anything

It's about... when ank said "FF" you said "ank might be right" and I'm wondering how much of that reaction was gut and how much of it is "I think this is a possibility"

I'm not trying to sheep you
I'm trying to gauge things

like
am I crazy

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it's just like

I thought I went over that already but maybe not enough

no no no

I'm saying... nevermind

it's not about taht

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dann you're taking me at face value

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i refuse to answer that question. i don't want this day phase to be about my reads.

i feel like if i were leading in the correct directions scum would have either ignited or tried to set me up as a mislynch by now.

I like this as a very town answer. Scum!RC would, imo, want to drive a lynch even if it were more subtle than pointing and others following. I think scum!RC would be able to give a credible reason and back it up for a mislynch.

*points up*
guys look the sky ! it is there up there!

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I do that a lot

I know you do

I'm saying that I don't think making you push or/FF or talk about why they're not buddies gets me where I want to get

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dann i like you a lot because you're very ...

innocent?
straightforward?
there are no guessing games or assuming w/ you lol

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i read through and i can see it. i can see a lot of things. this game has gone on too long

Ok.


What do you think of FF v Dann starting here:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10867403

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dann i like you a lot because you're very ...

innocent?
straightforward?
there are no guessing games or assuming w/ you lol

I just try to be as transparent as possible

transparent might be true but it's not what i'm getting at here

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

you've been spending too much time w/ ank

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i mean

i don't think svs looks much different than this

but i also don't think it can't be tvs?

ok
but it cannot
be tvt, right?

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btw I really hate ALL of FF's jabs at me this day phase because it feels very opportunistic since Enter is basically taking the lead on sorting/interrogating me

esp because I was the first one to put forth that he is scum today

but I can't tell if I'm just extremely biased with that

Jabs feels a little, i dont know, dismissive? Have I been saying anything out of line or factually incorrect with knowledge we all share? I think that Ive been able to use your push on me, which I know is a mislynch is it goes through, to get a foothold. Now I need to figure out if you are misled town or misleading scum.

reads list please

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Enter do you want me to go over max and liger still?

liger I think we agree is town after mcqueen wagon

i want sleep

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Enter do you want me to go over max and liger still?

liger I think we agree is town after mcqueen wagon

i want sleep

I can't give that to you but you should get it

I'll talk to y'all later
happy Texas everybody

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also i passed 1,000 posts today

1/15th of the way there guys

I'll talk to y'all later
happy Texas everybody

o/ night

o7 night

what if we just lynch ddl slot

i like the way you think

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that's yesterday.
+ I have evidence from mcqueens death that a town flip did not help solve at all.

Except that it cleared Liger

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I feel blueballed by enter

What? How so?

Sorry I needed some sleep real quick.

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go away rc your reads blow
or you're scum
bop kicks in sooner or later

lol

wut

u have no clue what you're talking about

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This game hardcounters how I approach games.
And I hate it.

How do you approach games?
Other than fluffposting?

Do you think RC could be scum?

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UNVOTE:

This is Shoshin v2

Why?

What are the similarities?

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sorry why would I not lynch you for this post

you can do whatever you like bud.

i figure there's no reason to appeal to you. you flip your own reads rather than listening to others.

When was this?
When did this happen?
Are you reading?

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I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl
I must not use logic to read ddl

Why not?

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But if I use logic I would vote you again for 6645

Why?

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VOTE: FF

I need some stream of consciousness from u when u get the chance

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DANN GET OUT OF THE DOG HOUSE!

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I'm not lynching today until we have a lynchpool of 4 that we are pretty sure contains 2 scum or a way to get there. I'm giving myself an arbitrary deadline of 4 real life days to get there.

Objectives to complete:
1. Prove/disprove any possible associatives between FF/or, FF/dann, and FF/Jingle, because if we can disprove all of those, FF becomes town.
2. Verify the integrity of the town block
3. Justify the lynch pool by proving each player is scum individually and by having possible partners
4. Accept any nominations for scum outside of (Ank, RadiantCowbells) and look into them personally

Neither Ank nor RadiantCowbells are scum. We aren't lynching either of them today.

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Feel free to interact w/ me or the above post to help me achieve this. I'm willing to give specific players assignments and the more I can get other people to help me the easier it becomes to read those people and the easier it becomes to win this game. If you're feeling left out because you're in the PoE or whatever come do one of the things on this list or ask me for something to do and we'll get it done. If people need justification for why Ank is town, feel free to ask and I will answer any questions players have about her play (or she can. She might be better than me and I guarantee her word count will be a lot smaller than mine).

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I kind of REALLY wanna interact w/ people right now so if anyone is online let's get work done
I'll even provide music we can listen to or something, although my taste is a bit strange :3

Otherwise g'night guys I guess I'll see y'all tomorrow

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Dann you're assigned to be my personal assistant because I need to be in your head so I can clear you for absolute certainty
I don't want to leave town with a list of people I've locktowned because I read them wrong

Ank I also need you to talk to me but for different reasons

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Dann you're assigned to be my personal assistant because I need to be in your head so I can clear you for absolute certainty
I don't want to leave town with a list of people I've locktowned because I read them wrong

Ank I also need you to talk to me but for different reasons

what is the type of stuff you wanna start with

FF and associations?

Kinda

I have a real real big theory I'm working on that could blow a couple fuses if it's true but I doubt it's true

yeah let's look at FF and associations

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Do you know anything about Alisae?

Actually could you just skim Ali's ISO especially the first couple posts and see if her interactions seem off?

Just anything that pings you

just when you get the cnace

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Umm if you want an easier assignment look at what I did w/ calling Liger locktown over his play at end of day yesterday and tell me if I'm really wrong for calling him locktown for that

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If someone else wants to look at Liger and tell me if his attitude changed drastically from being a contender for lynch to being locktown that would also be cool

I'm going to go skim RAS posts

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Initial RAS interaction w/ Jingle doesn't look like SvS
RAS vote on Dannflor doesn't look like SvS
RAS vote on DDL doesn't look like SvS

Considering Jingle/Dannflor/DDL are RAS' only possible scum buddies, RAS is looking pretty town to me, atm

Someone double check me

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and btwt I'm addicted to things that are bad for me and I can't actually turn my brain off so I might as well do some work here now since I might be busy for the next ~24 hours

Nice, me too.

Do you think the fact that rei started the grapes wagon clears her?

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What are the odds that DDL isn't scum because of the quoted and it's becoming difficult to find possible partners?>

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Can you look at the FF/or interactions from the last couple pages? I thought they were stilted at first but I think I was just conf biasing because it doesn't really look S/S to me anymore

Yep.
Is there anyone on the grapes wagon that you haven't considered as scum that you might consider scummy in the future?

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or = ddl

Lots of replacements this game...

He already knew they were the same person or should ahve known it

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Jingle and RC are town for me until they aren't. Trust that if they have an anti town agenda it will show itself eventually. Games go a lot better if you trust but verify those two.

Why Jingle?

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FF why is your defense of yourself "your townread townreads me" as opposed to "im town"

I'm saying why not trust the person you are tring if you have doubts.

This is a good point by RC and a less good one by FF

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let's lynch grapes?

let's lynch grapes?

VOTE: grapes

VOTE: grapes

VOTE: clemency

think this is better actually

NO
never happened

VOTE: grapes

OMG NSG NO

technically she didn't like start start it and is sheeping prince

grapes was in her PoE previously though so it makes sense

It doesn't look like a bus to me

Is there a way that you can look at that and think: There is no possible way this is a bus?

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Lynching me will just cost town another vanilla.

I honestly don't care if you guys lynch me. I replaced in to help move the game along. If you all agree that my death tells you something about who is scum, then vote away.

FF has a lot of individual scum cred for posts like this

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I just wanna say every single one of his posts makes my stomach turn so I don't know if I can look at FF's posts objectively

the way he words things and asks questions is just so slimy imo

so I'll probably try to evaluate Alisae/RAS more

Right so something I was trying to get at with you earlier
is that people who make solid statements "I'm town" are more likely to be town than people who make beat around the bush statements like "You'll lose a townie if you lynch me" because people don't like to lie, so they say things that are true but are meant to be interpreted incorrectly.

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Grapes wagon is just eh.

Is your problem with it Grapes or the people voting Grapes?

Grapes. Like hes not obv town but there are much better lunches in the horizon. Plus the speed that the wagon developed smells a bit opportunistic, like people wanting off attn on Buj

How much of this "I dont like the grapes wagon" is "they should be voting BuJ instead?"

like 70 percent, Rei

Ok. Thought as much but wanted to make sure.

I think if it's a bus Rei doesn't do stuff like this

she doesn't discredit or whatever the word is people's avoidance of the grapes wagon

albeit she's not hardcore pushing it but this feels like a really weird interaction regarding the wagon for a bus

I agree, very much so, I think.

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Can you look at the FF/or interactions from the last couple pages? I thought they were stilted at first but I think I was just conf biasing because it doesn't really look S/S to me anymore

Yep.
Is there anyone on the grapes wagon that you haven't considered as scum that you might consider scummy in the future?

I'm not considering you. I'm not considering RC. I'm not considering Ank.

That leaves Rei/Jingle/Alisae/Max.

I'm like 90% on Rei town.

So that leaves Jingle/Alisae/Max and individually I think Alisae is the best candidate, who er partner is might be tricky though

DDL
Dann
Jingle

are all unlikely

so now we need to look at possibly

liger
max
Creature
Vedith
xtoxm

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skimming Alisae's ISO and just got to er big FA/Jingle case and I'm gonna read it in depth to see if I think it's S/S

I don't think a wall case like this makes er town at all though

Specifically OkaPoka in mini 2046 pulled the same hyper focused push with big titled wall cases as scum

however his push was on town, so really what matters about this case is how genuine it is if we can eliminate S/S possibility

I realize you already don't think Jingle is likely but I'm going to look at this anyway and see if there's anything I can see

Definitely
I said "unlikely" because it's something I want to look at more later

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What do you think of RAS interactions w/ Jingle upon replacing in?

I know it's not much, but it's something to look at.

I can see Jingle/Ali

I could also see Clem/Ali

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also i love u dannflor ur like one of my 12 favorite

oh good these questions keep getting easier and easier

my friend came over so I'm gonna do fun stuff w/ him but i'l talk to u more later and maybe intermittently

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Right.

So let's cross Dannflor/DDL off the list of possible FF partners

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my friend came over so I'm gonna do fun stuff w/ him but i'l talk to u more later and maybe intermittently

ok I might fall asleep soon so if I disappear that's why

gonna poke around a little more though

kay sleep good

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I know I saw it earlier

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Hello, new Alisae. Your job is to tunnel me and be ineffective.

Sounds P F'n boring.

No, it's okay. You also get to meme.

Still sounds P F'n boring.

Well, solve the game and you can go home.

I'm here to play the game--not to tunnel someone. Why are you here?

If this is the interaction you're talking about

ehhhhhh

I'm not really sold on it either way

RAS comes off a little LAMIST

We'll mark him down as possible jingle partner

i'll ask someone else to tell me why they're definitely not buddies, then, it's cool

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I know people will ask me about the Vedith town-read, but I liked his comments in Post 3712. While some may see it as NAI/AtE, I think the frustration here is genuine and townie. His posts prior to this one just reinforces how genuine the comments in this post are, and I don't think these type of posts come from scum considering the "situation" Vedith was in.

idk if this is an actual valid point for anything ever

but I think it's really fucking scummy on like a human morality level if RAS is arguing for the town case for his scum buddy based on Vedith's replace out

yeah :/

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I think I sleep now for real because I'm not getting anywhere anymore

I'll be away all day tomorrow but I'll check in occasionally on phone

night enter

goodnight!

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actually that's probably an overreaction

I don't really think Vedith is scum here anyway so maybe someone else should look at those interactions

i agree

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Vedith is pretty town, I saw something in my recheck of the game that made me confident in it again

Enter what do you need me for?

you make me feel better when you talk to me

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of the things people might actually agree to
letting creature pick all the remaining lynches would be a good strategy

why would anyone agree to this?

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ank did u see what i'm trying to do?

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of the things people might actually agree to
letting creature pick all the remaining lynches would be a good strategy

Please explain why you think the current methods are bad and failing.

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let me get to my desktop and I'll relook

I might need a page number or range though, I woke up to over ten pages

Most of that is me, sorry.

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have you been trying to get people to change my mind :V

no why

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I'm trying to get everything sorted before I have to not be here