Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Prince of Renais]

There we go.

[Prince of Renais]

Do you want to Hydra with me for the next BoP?

[Prince of Renais]

Do you want to Hydra with me for the next BoP?

If you're town this game, no. Lynching me here is a travesty.

I'd like to believe that you don't make this post as town.

[Prince of Renais]

Do you want to both replace out and talk about this

[Prince of Renais]

If this is worth it to Shoshin then I'll take the loss and never talk to her again.

VOTE: lycanfire

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: jingle

[Prince of Renais]

I literally do not feel good after reading the past few pages.

[Prince of Renais]

Reiuji doesn't strike me as lazy.

This seems wrong

[Prince of Renais]

It was a joke.

[Prince of Renais]

I don't want to play this game anymore

Can we happily ever after

[Prince of Renais]

Can we just lynch Shoshin slot actually

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: Shoshin

[Prince of Renais]

Clemency is fine too I just want the day over

More that Shoshin has votes

[Prince of Renais]

I guess I'm fine with eagle not being on the lynch list aorn

[Prince of Renais]

Vedith Shoshin interactions are bad regardless of her alignment fmpov

It's kind of hard to play mafia for me emotionally right now

[Prince of Renais]

Just ignore everything I said post Shoshin flip out and go with what I said before.

[Prince of Renais]

yup

as town she gets hyper rational and argues people down in my experience.
in the other game she threatened to replace out if i scumread her.
in this game she got all sad and mopey and threatened to not be my friend if i scumread her.

i hope that she's scum.

[Prince of Renais]

this was me in 2015 though.

[Prince of Renais]

i really just want to see a flip though.

[Prince of Renais]

Is that accurate?

[Prince of Renais]

Ankamius replaces Lycanfire.

[Prince of Renais]

No, talk to me. EE is bad and his avatar sucks.

[Prince of Renais]

idc but ank is mine.

/me takes ank

[Prince of Renais]

i'm pretty sure shoshin hates me regardless of her alignment so

[Prince of Renais]

poorly worded: I'm pretty sure shoshin is pissed off at me regardless of her alignment.

[Prince of Renais]

i really want to see shoshin's flip for personal reasons tbh.

[Prince of Renais]

like this is nothing to do with the game or my wincondition really but I would like to know what alignment Shoshin was in this game.

[Prince of Renais]

And you will know if night killed or end game.
But a lynch for that reason isn't acceptable.

why are you ignoring the fact that we've spent the last dozen odd pages discussing why this play is scum indicative for her

[Prince of Renais]

i want a neighbourhood idc who is in it

[Prince of Renais]

can i just message you about the game on discord and call it a neighbourhood

[Prince of Renais]

what if we get married first

[Prince of Renais]

Votecount 1.FINAL

grapes(9)

~ Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁷³⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽²³³⁾, Prince of Renais⁽¹³⁵⁾, Jingle⁽¹⁶⁵⁾, Alisae⁽¹⁴⁵⁾, Shoshin⁽¹⁶⁵⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽⁴³⁾, Clemency⁽¹³⁾, Lycanfire⁽²⁵⁾

-- HAMMER

NerfedBuJ(2)

~ Vedith⁽⁹⁰⁾, DrDolittle⁽⁴⁷⁾

Reiuji Utsuho(1)

~ mcqueen⁽²²⁾

Prince of Renais(1)

~ Xtoxm⁽²¹⁾

Extrapolated Eagle(1)

~ grapes⁽²¹⁾


Not Voting (3): Gamma Emerald⁽¹⁸⁾, Dannflor⁽¹⁵⁵⁾, Karmeleon⁽³³⁾

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 22:19:59)

so to clarify ank you think that buj/clem and scum are in the rest of the wagon?

[Prince of Renais]

cuz that seems like a pretty terrible read

[Prince of Renais]

1313 to hammer probs most relevant.

okay

I read through and my initial thoughts are that scum are actually more likely to be in the beginning or the middle of the wagon than the end if there's any there at all, the way the wagon ended doesn't look like there was scum pushing it along.

how did the wagon start?

i misphrased. why are buj/clem town?

[Prince of Renais]

or we could lynch shoshin

\o/

[Prince of Renais]

i mean, i think that bujaber is probably town as well, but i don't see how ankamius gets to that from the wagon development unless she's basically saying 'well im town at the end of the wagon so everyone else is too!!!'

[Prince of Renais]

do you agree that generally if I'm pushing a wagon, and scum

probably

pieced together who I was by this time, when it gets that much mass traction scum would see it as inevitably happening?
the main reason I think that there is likely to have been at least one busser is the fact that no one besides Shoshin and Vedith really tried to push a counterwagon or resisted the wagon

another reason I would like to see those flips because if both of them are town it means there's a very high probability of scum on the wagon somewhere.

btw what's the case on shoshin

all 3 of myself/EE/Jingle were playing a simultaneous game with shoshin where she was scum and all 3 of us agree that she's the same alignment here as she was there.

[Prince of Renais]

i'lll go reread mcqueen i guess

[Prince of Renais]

yes.

[Prince of Renais]

i was going to hold off on 100% casing because there's still a variable in play that i want to be clear on
but that's a post that town shoshin never makes and a post that scum shoshin always does.

let's kill grapes.

VOTE: grapes

Can you follow my lynch for today, PR?

the moment that I called grapes scum, Shoshin tries to appeal to my respect for her to get me to sheep her. no specific intended target except that it's

not

grapes.

It's fine if townies don't townread me but I feel like I'm pretty obvtown here to stronger scumhunters.

I'd prefer a lynch on Lycan/Clem over Grapes. I know this is bad of me to say but when Grapes was interacting with me I felt like he was actually giving me a fair shot instead of just pushing my mislynch.

Are you town on Lycan?

The degree to which Grapes followed up on my DT push felt townish, like I feel like scum would have just let it go eventually but he kept pushing for more of an explanation.

continues to vaguely call grapes town but isn't willing to fully commit to it. and Shoshin has an immense amount of weight behind her townreads. see any of her games. but she's not willing to hard push this one.

I will say this is a first for me, causing two players in a game to replace out. I'm not sure how to feel about this.

Lycan/Clem/Buj is my solve at the moment. I'm not "really really certain" though. I'll let you know when I am.

i actually seriously considered replacing out the moment she called me scum so make that 4!

I keep coming back to this.

Why would you replace out just because I called you scum?

If you're town, wouldn't you just push my lynch?

This feels fake, PR.

I can't detail this but Shoshin 100% knows that this is a fact. yet she tries to call me scum for it while I'm pushing grapes.

So if I ever want you to replace out of my games, I just call you scum?

I get that you're sensitive but that feels a bit much even for you.

Okay, I looked through some of Grapes games. I understand the wagon now.

VOTE: Grapes

you can scumread grapes on meta but grapes was obvscum based on the contents of this game and this game alone. town shoshin wouldn't have needed that.
also worth noting that once the momentum gets the point where it's pretty obviously happening she goes from trying to appeal to me to vote lyc or clem to oh yeah sure grapes seems scum.

footnote: shoshin has far too large of an ego to follow me. she respects my play but in any individual situation she would always put her reads first. this her trying to be a good townie, this isn't who she actually is.

[Prince of Renais]

uncertain and town

[Prince of Renais]

Vedith > Clem > Jingle > needs further review

[Prince of Renais]

in my experience with vedith, yes.

[Prince of Renais]

I'd rather not, sorry.

[Prince of Renais]

I'd rather not, sorry.

Because your statement is false.
I will throw my Scum team under the bus before I defend them.
So what you're using here is false meta?

you're discussing 2057 right now where you defended your scumbuddy on D1.

[Prince of Renais]

in the interest of keeping a secret alt secret, I will not share my experience.

[Prince of Renais]

no

[Prince of Renais]

i refuse your refused refusal you piece of refuse

[Prince of Renais]

UNVOTE:

at this point it's probably better to get reads on all the replacements before lynching anyone.

[Prince of Renais]

ok

1) I am prince of Renais
2) Alisae is town

any questions

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: fuscoscos

Sure

What is ur question peasant

[Prince of Renais]

SHOSHIN SLOT MUST DIE

[Prince of Renais]

UNVOTE:

Get it to L1 for me bbs

[Prince of Renais]

I had a few spicy new things to say

[Prince of Renais]

Actually

I have a better idea

VOTE: vedith

[Prince of Renais]

I'm near 100% sure vedith could / would have figured out who I was and the posturing around her der he wasn't in 2057 was super fake

I'm pretty sure he was intentionally faking not knowing to try to towntell somehow or spew himself not scum with Shoshin b/c she would obviously have known

[Prince of Renais]

Like he's played so fucking many games

If he doesn't know who I am why does he immediately go to insisting that I wasn't in the one game that I was actually in?

[Prince of Renais]

Do you even realise what meta is?

Meta is nothing more than a players' play information based on their previous games.

Exactly.
The way it's said is that it's something I do often.
The response on alt shit means they are saying they were in a game with me.
They weren't in 2057 even if they imply it.

So it's fake meta.
Why the fuck would they be making it up?

It's really fake as is the oh but I STILL think he's town

[Prince of Renais]

Ok fine

VOTE: Shoshin

But like... really? How does he not know

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: fuscoscos

[Prince of Renais]

UNVOTE:

Get them to L2

[Prince of Renais]

i think that mcqueen has serious scum equity and was the big 'spicy read' that I wanted to bring up actually

[Prince of Renais]

fwiw my gut says that this is a win.

[Prince of Renais]

are you american

[Prince of Renais]

ok

VOTE: fuscosco

[Prince of Renais]

really sorry about the slot that you took.

[Prince of Renais]

if shoshin's scum i'm reporting her btw.

[Prince of Renais]

gl friends

don't lynch alisae

[Prince of Renais]

yeah

if only we'd lynched prince of renais instead

[Prince of Renais]

why?

[Prince of Renais]

do you want me to vote you?

[Prince of Renais]

what things do I do?

[Prince of Renais]

if you're going to call me scum because I was on one mislynch on someone whom I didn't even want to lynch I'm just going to vote you.

[Prince of Renais]

1) I tried to switch wagons

several

times and was pulled back.
2) let's say I did. let's say that only 1/2 of the people that I have lynched in this game are scum. Am I so good at this game that I'm not going to be wrong even once solving a game this large
my odds of hitting scum were literally 2/15 yesterday. 3/16 on D1. what the hell?

[Prince of Renais]

first off I wouldn't have bussed grapes. check any of my games last year. Unless I've forgotten a game that went super desperate and I had to bus I don't think I bussed ever last year. I certainly don't bus on D1 in a strong position.
i'll give you a hint as to why I don't bus anymore: I don't like to deal with situations like this as town. notable exception being Mathblade, but, he deserved it for being mathblade.

second off, about half of the people in this game expressed support for lynching me at some point between today and lylo. including near locktown xtoxm. including you.
i got shaded a metric ton yesterday. if I hadn't been then yeah scum would have ignited me. it's obvious from my point of view that the reason scum didn't ignite was because they didn't want to lose the mislynch on me.

if I have to start defending the fact that I'm still alive on day 3 then I'd rather just be out of the game now rather than play this through.

[Prince of Renais]

if you want to use rationales like "rc is still alive at x day" and then lynch me if I get to that point, then make a show of my being confirmed town before then if you want scum to want to make the kill.

[Prince of Renais]

a bit longer?

[Prince of Renais]

i mean

i'd lynch him because he's obnoxious

but i don't think he's ever scum.

[Prince of Renais]

i didn't read because i thought i'd be dead. i'll read at some point but not tonight, really not feeling this game right now

[Prince of Renais]

if we're sheeping shoshin's reads we're sheeping her on lycan/clem

[Prince of Renais]

i think that my reads are better than shoshins.
i also think that reiuji's reads are better than shoshins
i don't think that of anyone else in this game.

[Prince of Renais]

given how shoshin reacted to my scumread on her and general information that i have about shoshin i don't trust her omgus reads as much as i trust her reads over the rest of the game

[Prince of Renais]

she was basically calling everyone who wanted to lynch her scum at that point.

this basically. shoshin is probably second in line of people who can actually read me right now and even she was taking back her townread on me when i called her scum. she doesn't deal with it well.

Plz hard reset. There's a reason you didn't die, and this time it's not that I'm a cheeky scumfuck.

I don't think that a lot of scumteams killed me when keeping me alive reduces the number of necessary mislynches from 6 to 5.

[Prince of Renais]

These are all words, but none of them makes sense to me together.

How does not igniting change the mislynches needed math?

about half the thread expressed interest in lynching me eventually at some point during this game.

[Prince of Renais]

don't get me wrong shoshin is a fantastic player. she has a weakness when people call her scum. I have that same weakness.

Rei how do you lit remember every detail that has happened

[Prince of Renais]

i suddenly feel a lot better about winning this game before people start calling me scum.

[Prince of Renais]

I'm not gonna lead on anything until I am sure on anyone

Following Reiuji until such a time

[Prince of Renais]

Eh I don't like his current vote.

I'll just not vote.

[Prince of Renais]

turns out i'm pretty good at this game.

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: Vedith

[Prince of Renais]

i don't think I'll ever be motivated in this game as long as I'm afraid of being scumread if I lead an incorrect lynch.

[Prince of Renais]

"superficial townread"

[Prince of Renais]

Why am I not a townread?

[Prince of Renais]

I think it's exactly vedith mcqueen

[Prince of Renais]

ok like

starting point
POR
Buj
Reiuj
Alisae
EE
Karmeleon
DDL
dannflor
xtoxm

leftovers
mcqueen
vedith
liger_zero
maxwellpuckett
ankamius
jingle

[Prince of Renais]

I'm town.
Buj is town because of a shitload of things, not least of all his readiness to angleclear me.
Reiuji is town because I'd have gutread them scum by now
Alisae is town because I'd have gutread them scum by now + that replace out spews them town if they weren't already spewed town.
EE is town b/c I'd have scumread them by now
DDL's attempts to organize town on recent pages feel very town

Karmeleon actually I do have a few ??s about but I don't feel like they're scum or worth considering at this point in the game
Xtoxm I am going to remain silent on at this time
Dannflor idk. I think there's real scum equity here but this slot doesn't get in the lynchpool unless someone in the scumpool towntells.

[Prince of Renais]

Like I'm trying to piece together what scum have been doing this game.

I think that essentially one of the following worlds are true.

1) Scum are completely together. They're making organized kills and preventing each other getting lynched and just generally staying low enough to avoid the lynches but remaining in the game. They chose to not ignite to keep the lynch pool as wide as possible.
2) Scum are just done. Scum slots are replacing, there's no organization, the decision not to ignite wasn't a decision as much as just something that happened. None of them are actually playing to any sort of a win condition

I'm going to assume if one scum is running the show anyone else who takes a scum slot would be content to just lurk under the radar and less likely to flake out, whereas if both scum are reeling then the slots are more likely to replace out.


I think if scum are actually playing any sort of organized strategy every scum is in {mcqueen, vedith, xtoxm}
I think if we get multiple scum flips in that pool, we can just lynch the revolving door slots and win.

I'm incredibly reluctant to actually lead any lynches right now because any lynch that I lead isn't going to be particularly exceptional. there's a fairly wide band of players that in my view are strong scum candidates but where I don't really have a meaningful differentiation in my reads on them, and if I lead incorrectly I just end up sabotaging my slot. Basically I think at this point we need to just lynch the slots that are clearly going before endgame with the threat of me power playing with less lynchbait slots to hide behind to force scum to ignite, which I think will actually be extremely beneficial for town in terms of the smaller pool being a lot easier to hunt from for the remainder.

Like I say mcqueen vedith I think less because I think it's super likely and more because it's the only scumteam that I can really point to right now in terms of both of them approaching the game like scum should play but

[Prince of Renais]

i think maxwell might actually be town

[Prince of Renais]

liger was clem right

[Prince of Renais]

oh, gamma. huh.

mm

[Prince of Renais]

liger is also townie, I think?

[Prince of Renais]

no i don't think that.

[Prince of Renais]

i'm really not good at these kinds of situations.

[Prince of Renais]

i think town loses at this point if I don't feel like I can play town leader without getting mislynched if I don't hit scum immediately.

[Prince of Renais]

i think lynching vedith is correct here. if he's scum, great I'm pretty awesome at this game. if he's not, doesn't make my slot scum.

[Prince of Renais]

I'm going on strike until people stop shading me \o/

[Prince of Renais]

actually I don't wanna lynch vedith

[Prince of Renais]

UNVOTE:

if I don't vote anyone, I can't be on any mislynches

[Prince of Renais]

i am the true god king ephraim

never lynch town ever

[Prince of Renais]

actually i'll kill someone who is worth it

VOTE: xtoxm

let's lynch this

[Prince of Renais]

oh wait i think xtoxm is actually scum lol

[Prince of Renais]

fiiiiiiiine. here it is. you dismissing mechanics in favour of a superficial tr pinged me super hard.

if prince is town, he is the most likely primed
if hes arso we delete an arso
depriving scum of primed targets gives us extra mislynches and is the best strategy in this game
therefore prince is the best lynch mechanically
jingle back me up

This is an incorrect application.

Lynching two primed players buys an extra mislynch, yes. However, lynching two primed players is only helpful in the case that there is a reasonable fear that those players are mafia. Lynching 2 players who wouldn't otherwise be lynched because they're likely to be primed does get us a mislynch, but it also wastes two lynches.

The thing to consider is that from scums PoV, they should ignite if we're likely to lynch someone they've already primed. Not the other way around.



Isn't Thigh Draug Draug's wife? Coulda sworn he's married to Nephenee in Path of Radiance.

transparently lies about the mechanics of the game to justify pushing a 'mechanical' lynch on the only person in this game who has lynched scum.
not only that but 'superficial townread' is how he describes townreading said person who is obvtown by play and led on scum d1.
it's not just about policy lynching me anymore, now xtoxm is using this interaction to shade other non-me people. policy lynching me is something town do. but shading jingle for it is yikes.

yeah lets just call the player with the widest scumrange in the game obvtown
fucking moronic

ok jingle
i want you to imagine that none of his posts exist
and look over pvt's content, and build a read of the slot based on that
can it be scum?
this is the world i exist in
ive been checked out the game since he replaced
i tr one of max's posts
i sr one of your posts (cookie if you can identify it)
all my other reads are pre p40

so 2 things

1) I may indeed have the widest scumrange in the game. But in the recent past I have a heavily noted aversion to bussing.
Also, the fact that I have the widest scumrange in the game doesn't make me scum. Has Xtoxm ever put forward a reason that he actually thinks that I'm scum?

mainly because i dont want to play with him
i wouldnt want him in lylo anyway and yknow..no time like the present

like first this was a policy lynch thing, then it became still a policy lynch thing but because I'm

super good as scum

, now he's actually shading people because they're not going along with it.

[Prince of Renais]

and the second thing? I don't think town, no matter how fucked up they are in their head, ask people 'can it be scum' when trying to fish for a scumread.
if he thought it was super scummy, he'd argue to it being super scummy. and frankly pvturist replacing out in response to the thread being toxic is pretty towny.

Xtoxm has gotten away with making absolutely no meaningful engagement with anything in this game besides his scumread on me. that shouldn't stand.

at the very least, force him to do something readable or kill him.

[Prince of Renais]

fiiiiiiiine. here it is. you dismissing mechanics in favour of a superficial tr pinged me super hard.

if prince is town, he is the most likely primed
if hes arso we delete an arso
depriving scum of primed targets gives us extra mislynches and is the best strategy in this game
therefore prince is the best lynch mechanically
jingle back me up

This is an incorrect application.

Lynching two primed players buys an extra mislynch, yes. However, lynching two primed players is only helpful in the case that there is a reasonable fear that those players are mafia. Lynching 2 players who wouldn't otherwise be lynched because they're likely to be primed does get us a mislynch, but it also wastes two lynches.

The thing to consider is that from scums PoV, they should ignite if we're likely to lynch someone they've already primed. Not the other way around.



Isn't Thigh Draug Draug's wife? Coulda sworn he's married to Nephenee in Path of Radiance.

xtoxm clearly doesn't believe in the push on me. he clearly intellectually knows he's pushing a policy lynch, either based on my aptitude as a scum player or because grr fuck this guy. based on every phrasing he has used.
why is he shading other people for not going along with something that he knows is bullshit?

[Prince of Renais]

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he lead a mislynch on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

Gonna be honest here I was going from memory and forgot I was a utility lynch (maybe because to this day I still don't really understand why it happened :p)

but after going through your iso there you never really came around to town-reading me (matter of fact you thought I was scum most of the game) until i started viciously flailing about to get lynched as a cop mad close to EG (and even then you ultimately ended up voting me so even there I'm being too forgiving)


So... why exactly do you think you can read me?

i was going from memory too
i did think you looked very townie
lynched you in the end for role reasons
it gives me a baseline of what you are capable of as town
the 3 post thing was also entirely sarcastic if that wasnt obvious

Fair enough bud.

who is scum?

like reading this again all of these associatives are kind of bad and the fact that he's the most mentioned player in his iso is NAGL at all
maybe we've just been looking in the wrong place

"why the blind faith in xtoxm" feels really svs indicative in hindsight

[Prince of Renais]

does anyone actually think these associatives spew him town? i'm completely blanking on why I ever thought this was town.
I think that I mostly just assumed that he wouldn't go for this policy lynch play as scum, but that jingle shade was

disgusting

.

[Prince of Renais]

like I know that xtoxm hates me, but him hating me isn't alignment indicative

[Prince of Renais]

also the townread on mcqueen for scumreading them feels like an attempt at appeasement.

[Prince of Renais]

only if they get lynched before they post again

[Prince of Renais]

I have resumed command of this vessel.

[Prince of Renais]

Xtoxm is scum

[Prince of Renais]

Funny how when I finally get around to leading on someone

1) xtoxm despite supposedly scumreading me doesn't even react to it
and
2) suddenly we have a dannflor wagon going to counterwagon it

[Prince of Renais]

This is a game!!!!

[Prince of Renais]

No not really

Why is xtoxm alive

[Prince of Renais]

i want to omgus but im committed to wagon building VOTE: anka

Self vote, get into an argument, and replace out.

oof

Why not xtoxm?

[Prince of Renais]

Btw DDL/xtoxm has a lot of equity

[Prince of Renais]

I guess we changed our minds.

Do

you

still believe it? If so, why?

[Prince of Renais]

Btw DDL/xtoxm has a lot of equity

Also DDL/dannflor.

Wouldn't xtoxm be the more obvious counter wagon vote here?

[Prince of Renais]

idk i was scumreading xtoxm and someone cited that and i thought it made sense, and since xtox hasnt posted anything significant since i guess that read stayed. do you think its no longer valid?

I think town xtoxm would have freaked the fuck out me voting him and he's been on site several times

Lurking and trying to hide makes me think he's hoping to get to night and ignite me and hope the pressure goes away

[Prince of Renais]

1) I was on this list well before you were, I just switched to wanting to rep in
2) until this game it was not abundantly clear in any sense of the word

Not gonna respond to the rest

[Prince of Renais]

I'd report that if I thought something would happen but it won't

[Prince of Renais]

Seems pretty unlikely?

[Prince of Renais]

Xtoxm are you an alt?

[Prince of Renais]

I have spent a lot of time digging for evidence of xtoxms claim and have not found it. Without discussing ongoing games we haven't spoken in years and our last game together wasn't notably toxic. if they're an alt of someone ok but I had no way of knowing.

Also doesn't make the comment that they made okay

[Prince of Renais]

on a human level you are a disgusting person
shame khan didnt have enough evidence

I hope this is ban or force replace worthy

[Prince of Renais]

Three times only, in addition to dousing a player you may ignite, killing all previously doused players.

I also feel like it's really obvious that scum can't ignite during the day

Kinda feels like you're trying to fake a townslip

[Prince of Renais]

I kinda feel like xtoxms gonna turn out to be a Reckoner alt and I'm supposed to have known that for /reasons/

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: DDL

Okay I was wrong sorry

[Prince of Renais]

oh i guess you are right - that dousing happens during the night, so igniting also must happen during the night. move along folks

Town here is just like oh okay

Scum trying to fake a townslip milks it for all it's worth. HMMM look at all this thought process of how I clearly didn't know that ignite happened during the night

Did literally anyone in this game think scum could ignite during the day?

[Prince of Renais]

Town him doesn't need eight posts to correct this wrong thought process.

He's just making a show of it

[Prince of Renais]

The point is that if he's scum he clearly realizes scum can't ignite during the day right so even though that would make no sense and there's no support for that view he needs it spelled out to him post by post

And that ohh no no five person death during the day was so, so fake

Why would he even have that viewpoint

[Prince of Renais]

No rly tell me I'm wrong

Did a single player in this game think scum could ignite during the day

[Prince of Renais]

Don't l1

I still think the obvious partner is xtox but I'm gonna read

[Prince of Renais]

me

How

Please if you're town explain why you thought that

[Prince of Renais]

Ok maybe I'm wrong then
UNVOTE:

I'm drinking on a Thursday anyway

[Prince of Renais]

If he's scum I'll figure it out sober

[Prince of Renais]

Who?

[Prince of Renais]

Tastes like chicken

[Prince of Renais]

You're not a good person.

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: xtoxm

Can we actually speedlynch this?

[Prince of Renais]

Thanks for at least letting me know to avoid you I guess

[Prince of Renais]

I don't care about you man. I don't want to bully you. I don't want to stalk your games. Given the ongoing game situation we can't discuss this but you know or should reasonably know that I am not actively trying to harass you and you're still treating me like I hurt your family. You never expressed a desire to not play games with me. Now you have.

[Prince of Renais]

Like until this game you were not really a person I had any conscious opinion on

[Prince of Renais]

Has anyone in this game put forward a case for why I'm scum as opposed to why I'm not 100% lock confirmed town?

[Prince of Renais]

I'm not understanding how the #1 topic of conversation today has been the objective towniest slot in the game.

Slip

[Prince of Renais]

It feels like it is to me.

[Prince of Renais]

If no one has scum cased me why has there had to be this much dialogue over my play? If I was anyone else, would this be happening?

[Prince of Renais]

Votecount 3.6

Xtoxm(3)

~ mcqueen⁽¹⁹⁾, Vedith⁽¹⁸⁾, Prince of Renais⁽⁸⁵⁾

Dannflor(3)

~ Extrapolated Eagle⁽⁶⁸⁾, Ankamius⁽⁷³⁾, MaxwellPuckett⁽⁴⁶⁾

Ankamius(3)

~ Karmeleon⁽⁸⁷⁾, Dannflor⁽³¹⁾, DrDolittle⁽⁸⁸⁾

Vedith(2)

~ Liger_Zero⁽⁶⁰⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽²¹⁾

DrDolittle(2)

~ RAS⁽³⁹⁾, Jingle⁽⁸⁷⁾

Prince of Renais(1)

~ Xtoxm⁽²¹⁾

MaxwellPuckett(1)

~ Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁵⁷⁾


Not Voting (0):

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-05 16:49:59)

sitting out until 3 days left.
if there's no consensus wagon by then I'm leading.

[Prince of Renais]

i still think the sole true deepwolf candidate in this game is xtoxm.

[Prince of Renais]

depends if you count jingle as a deepwolf candidate i guess. i wouldn't.

[Prince of Renais]

there was once a game where I misread who the scum was because I failed to read time stamps when I was catching up

I'm trying to reread the game and keep them in mind and maybe I'll see something new

[Prince of Renais]

I'm familiar with a good chunk of names here... but im pretty sure just lycanfire, gamma, extrapolated eagle, vedith and xtom have been in a game with me before.

good news: i think there is always at least one scum on this list. even reasonably good odds of both scum. virtually never all town
bad news: that doesn't actually poe the game down that much given that 4 of the slots are currently in the general lynchpool

[Prince of Renais]

Enter what is Ank's alignment?

[Prince of Renais]

hey grapes i remember you being obvtown as town
you made 3 posts and dont look obvtown yet
step it up

[Prince of Renais]

We don't have to lynch xtoxm today but that slot's never going to endgame.
if I have to trade my being lynched for that lynch then I'll do that.

[Prince of Renais]

reading xtoxm's posting in the context of the game makes it even worse.
also his recent insinuation that I'm policy lynching him when he thinks that I'm scum.

i really look forward to being able to discuss the circumstances of xtoxm's hatred of me.

[Prince of Renais]

reading shoshin posts just makes me sad.

i wish she were here.

[Prince of Renais]

i think FA was town.

[Prince of Renais]

also note the timing of Pvturist replacing out due to the FA toxicity.

if you needed more reasons to think that my slot was town, which you shouldn't.

[Prince of Renais]

not sure where I had DDL/Jingle but they're both town

[Prince of Renais]

vedith is town, like 100%.

[Prince of Renais]

it occurs to me that I think this is the first time this game that I have read the entirety of the game in context as opposed to reading isos individually

[Prince of Renais]

POR
Buj
Reiuj
Alisae
EE
Karmeleon
DDL
jingle
vedith

leftovers
mcqueen
liger_zero
maxwellpuckett
ankamius
dannflor
xtoxm

enter if ank is town this is a 100% gamesolve

[Prince of Renais]

my only points of hesitation are ddl and alisae at this point

[Prince of Renais]

idk if its too easy of a townread but i liked ras's hit the ground running

[Prince of Renais]

eh

im gonna cut alisae for now

i'll finish reading the game tomorrow morning

[Prince of Renais]

i think i was too quick to write off vedith <-> shoshin as tmi. it occurs to me that he's actually dealt with my slot the same way he dealt with shoshin a lot of times.
dunno, the 526 onward stuff feels town. not rly playing up the shoshin townread just trying to push people in the right direction. think he would have been a little more, like, hey look at me this girls town as scum
kinda like he was later but i guess it's not really a good reason to scumread him and i feel like i've gotten to know vedith a lot better over a relatively short period of time and this feels like his towngame

[Prince of Renais]

btw of the people in the lynchpool as it stands right now

{everyone else}
{}
{}
{}
{}
{liger}
{}
{xtoxm, dannflor}

[Prince of Renais]

idk

i think dannflor might be town too

[Prince of Renais]

or at least, DT didn't really feel like scum.

like i agree with a recent post by RAS that I don't really read anyone as scum

another reason to think scum is something like {xtoxm/mcqueen} where they've just literally not been playing the game the entire time

[Prince of Renais]

a great man once said if you can't find scum in the active players, sort the playerlist by post count and lynch upwards

[Prince of Renais]

i guess alisae also fits the pool of someone who I wouldn't really necessarily expect to have had a scumread on because they didn't do much since i replaced in

[Prince of Renais]

as much as I tend to excessively scumread people who are scumreading me I think that xtoxm is truly the player in the game with the highest chance of flipping scum.

[Prince of Renais]

and, uh, i'm never going to join a game with him again so we'd be doing him a favor by lynching him and we're probably going to win this anyway

[Prince of Renais]

like i really don't know what i saw in his good associatives with grapes, they feel super distancey

[Prince of Renais]

enter hmu with dat sexy ankamius read for me bb

[Prince of Renais]

i need a pagetop

[Prince of Renais]

pagetop!

[Prince of Renais]

remember us and all we used to be~

[Prince of Renais]

ok

this is the 4th time? this game i've went back to look for a post that wasn't there

[Prince of Renais]

i thought there was this really obvtown post that dannflor made but apparently it doesn't exist

\o/

[Prince of Renais]

i just went through a breakup and i'm sad.

why do you call my reads meh, liger? aside from scumreading you

[Prince of Renais]

ok. who do

you

think are scummy?

[Prince of Renais]

why?

[Prince of Renais]

YOU think that they're scummy.

Tell me why they're scummy.

[Prince of Renais]

another game that just completed had 3 different people, only one of whom was scum, advance the possibility of me being scum despite powerlynching scum D1 and having the doc claim to have saved me after a no kill.

pretty funny how that works.

[Prince of Renais]

not enthusiastic about this specific lynch but i agree that it has to go so

[Prince of Renais]

I think the interactions make xtoxm look way worse than buj

[Prince of Renais]

hey grapes i remember you being obvtown as town
you made 3 posts and dont look obvtown yet
step it up

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[Prince of Renais]

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he lead a mislynch on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

"Why the blind Faith in xtoxm" is such SvS phrasing