Krazy's Anime Upick (Game Over)

[mastina]

I am killing obvtown that I through my huge-ass ego I misidentified as being scum here.

Yep you sure are!

[mastina]

You are Flavor fucking Leaf, do I have to say anything else???? I'm not trying to discredit your claim or anything, but my fucking case on Alch, on why I think I was the nightkill on N1, is now followed by a pretty much correct roleblock. Fuck off saying I'm protecting jjh when in no possible scenario I would do that

Pretty much, yeah.

[mastina]

I damn well KNOW JJH is scum from concrete mod confirmed fucking proof.

I'll love to see your fucking excuse for when jjh flips town because make no mistake that's exactly what jjh is fucking flipping because this is not jjh's scumgame.

Even if the guilty wasn't from your slot I wouldn't fucking believe it. If it were a top townread of mine, sure, yeah. I guess I'd believe it. But anyone from my middle of my reads downward? I'd lynch THEM before I'd lynch jjh.

And you know what?

The only reason I'm not lynching you is because I know you pull this fucking shit as town.
Which is pathetic and sad as fuck.
But hey at least we can blame the fucking town loss on your stunt here today, sooooo.

[mastina]

Dude if anyone else claimed that I would vote jjh. But you're Flavor Leaf. Don't act like I should follow you when I fucking know you. I was in Overkill II

<3

[mastina]

Honestly, that's more of a reason to follow me here. If JJH flips anything but traitor, I would be caught. Either way, by going JJH, you have a caught scum, even if you think it's potentially me.

Problem: you fakeclaim as town and you always have a fucking excuse lined up for after your lie is exposed.

Always.

You won't self-vote tomorrow when jjh flips town.

You might say you would.

But it's 100% a lie and you fucking know it.
You'd make an excuse.
You'd try to worm your way out.
Wiggle out of it.
Find a justification, an excuse, for your fucking fuckup.

[mastina]

VOTE: jjh
if this is scum boon im fine w/ him winning

This is exactly what scum boon does though

^That, but also a town fakeclaiming Boon.

[mastina]

this is what scum boon does because it's what town boon does.

Yeah. Fakeclaim a guilty when you're convinced you're right, even when you're not.

[mastina]

He's brazenly bullshitting, revealing an apparent belief that he's the greatest player of mafia ever to exist, and refusing to compromise
What is okay about that? What is towny about that?

This pretty much.

[mastina]

i literally just lose if I'm killed here, even if town win.

Yes well that 3p-but-not-3p claim of yours is even more bullshit than your alleged guilty, sooooo.

[mastina]

Could his theory be correct? Yes. Is my guilty more correct? 100% yes.

I mean sure if your guilty were real.

The thing is it just isn't.

[mastina]

Ugh for fucks sake why do you have to be so cool
VOTE: jjh927

NO PINK BALL.
YOU HAD SEEN THE LIGHT.
STICK TO IT.

[mastina]

Sorry jjh but FL is right here. I mean, I still think he could be bussing the traitor after recruiting him, but that would mean I didn't block Alch's kill and my theory is wrong.

Problem; Flavor Leaf is fakeclaiming without being scum.
And Alch was suspect even without the kill flavor and even without your roleblocking him on a night there were no deaths.

[mastina]

Like, I know you are capable of reading me whereas it honestly looks like you're just taking the easy way of agreeing with FL, which is only the easy way because he's so fucking obnoxious about this, and I can't see myself bothering to fight it off as scum

This.
So fucking much.
This.

Flavor Leaf is obnoxious.

That doesn't make his claim any more legitimate.

jjh as scum doesn't fight this; jjh as town is incredibly readable. He's a ridiculously easy to read player and this. is. his. fucking. towngame.

[mastina]

Fuck off, I just said that,

if

FL's claim is

true

, then my theory is no longer good enough.

I've highlighted the problem with your logic, Pink Ball.

[mastina]

and I can't see myself bothering to fight it off as scum

Yes.

And yet jjh is fighting it.

Which is proof that he's fucking town.

[mastina]

But FL's claim makes my theory weaker, so I have to step back once more.

Problem: it is a Flavor Leaf claim.

The day Flavor Leaf tells a truthful claim is the day hell freezes over.

[mastina]

Jjh

clearly

is

communicating

with

scum

team here, we

know Cheeky

is

town

, so we can see jjh is probably trying to

mess with us

, but I feel it implies at least one scum on him, maybe 2. I could see Cafe/Creature or Cafe/Alchemist, with JJH.

Yeah this narrative can be blown to smithereens just by selective bolding of key phrases.

It's full of holes.

jjh cannot both be scum clearly communicating, and scum trying to mess with us. The two are mutually exclusive. And the fact that CheekyTeeky WAS town proves that it wasn't clearly communicating to the scumteam, soooo.

[mastina]

I don't know man but why the fuck would FL do this as scum

Well because he'd do it as town for a start.

But the real question is.

Do you actually fucking believe for one second that Flavor Leaf's claim is legitimate?

Because you've played with him before; you of all people should know he's fucking bullshitting.
Yes, his bullshitting doesn't make him scum.
But him not being scum doesn't mean he is any less of a fucking bullshitter here.

[mastina]

Because it's fucking FL

^Basically this.

Don't fucking pretend this isn't accurate.

It is and you fucking know it.

[mastina]

He thinks he can fakeclaim but the actual content is shite. He just does it with enough confidence that people don't seem to doubt it and honestly I wouldn't put it past you to let him survive after I flip

Pretty much yeah.

[mastina]

If I get bussed as scum I don't even have to play a scumgame anymore

This.

jjh as scum is a lurksack of Creature proportions who doesn't even bother to defend himself and doesn't even bother to try; he hates scum enough that he just doesn't really even pretend to be town.

jjh as town

does

care.

This is jjh's towngame, through and through.

[mastina]

jj a fake claim makes zero sense from scum fl , none, nada. It never happens unless they somehow win with your lynch tonight which spoiler alert makes even less sense.

And yet a fakeclaim makes perfect sense from town FL.

It always happens.

[mastina]

No because your bullshit guilty is based on that post you're trying to spin as a traitor crumb

Wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly the case, yeah.

[mastina]

i would just die after your flip then.

No, you wouldn't and don't fucking pretend you would.
You know better than that.

[mastina]

Name like 1 thing in the claim that makes it believable

^This, too.

[mastina]

VOTE: jjh
Man think we’re bussing or whatever im just glad this is finally getting lynched

No, but I do think you're scum hopping onto a free fucking mislynch that was handed to you on a silver platter.

[mastina]

There are so many holes in your claim it's unbelievable

This is actually a town tell by me, and anyone who’s ever played with scum me should know this. My biggest flaw with my scum fake claims is that I’m way too consistent.

Sure you're town.
Doesn't mean you're not fakeclaiming.

jjh is 100% town here.
I'm not fucking wrong about my meta here.

[mastina]

You basically just ADMITTED YOU WERE FAKECLAIMING

Pretty much yeah.

And yet people won't listen.

[mastina]

He is literally saying he is town because he fakeclaimed badly

Pretty much, yeah.
And probably not a lie, either.
He's probably town.
But he's certainly fakeclaiming.

[mastina]

YOU ARE NOT GETTING JJH BEFORE ALCH, I REPEAT, YOU ARE NOT GETTING JJH BEFORE ALCH.

NO. TODAY IS ALCH. NOBODY DIED BECAUSE ALCH IS THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DOING THE KILLS. FUCK OFFFFFFFFFF
VOTE: Alchemist21

I remember when this was a thing. Dont you?
I'm not trusting a guy who goes for a Mason claim n1. Never will.

<3

[mastina]

You aren’t a mason.

She is tho.

[mastina]

@Mastina - I’m literally coming to you right now. If you say Elsa is mason, I’ll drop it, but please be up front about it here.

She is a mason.

There.

[mastina]

Your pattern is easily recognisable though

^

[mastina]

I say a thing, you bullshit in an unrelated manner and say I'm scum

Pretty much yeah.

[mastina]

The other pattern you do is where I say a thing, you bullshit in an unrelated matter and say you're town

Also true.

[mastina]

Either way you simply flood the place with bullshit, a lot of which is stuff I have already refuted, and use quantity and strength of conviction in place of logical argument

Also true.

jjh has raised valid arguments countering Flavor Leaf.

Flavor Leaf repeats ad naseum the same thing.

[mastina]

1: still not proven as a fake claim at all.
2: mister pot calling madam kettle out for fake claims, much shock, such irony.
3: if you know that much about me then I'm STILL never a n1 check. I literally self resolve.

<3
So much this.

[mastina]

You NEVER claim that there Day 1, especially if Mastina was your actual mason partner.

Elsa sure doesn't, but it wasn't Elsa who claimed D1.

Elsa was against it.

On top of that, you both are still alive, and have gotten zero to little scrutiny on it.

Because people haven't believed it.

Which is better for us.

The longer the scum leave us alive, the stronger having two conftown in the game is, so.

Go ahead and doubt us all you'd like; I welcome the incentive for scum to not kill us.

[mastina]

You both are literally just speaking and talking to make it look like you are doing something. You are waiting around for me to say something so you can an respond to it directly to try and discredit me further without having an actual lick of analytical content.

Yep sure am.
Well mostly.

There's plenty of analytical content.
Such as, sayyy.
Comparing and contrasting.

jjh as town.
Better example of jjh as town.
Still a solid example of jjh as town.
Another jjh town.
Still good jjh town.
Another good jjh as town.
Here's one of the best jjh as town.
But have another solid one.
Yet none top THE very best jjh town example.

And Contrast.
jjh as scum.
The best example of jjh as scum.
But here's another jjh scumgame.
And this one's probably the second best.

Now look at his iso THIS game.

It is transparently, self-evidently, stupendously obviously, his towngame.

[mastina]

I mean, my issue with scumgames if we really need to clarify it is that I can always find time for towngames and that just isn't true for scumgames which require a bit more mental effort from me

And that usually leads to me not posting anywhere near as much, except for when deemed necessary such as when people direct questions towards me

Best described by jjh here.

jjh has found the time for this game.

If he were scum he simply wouldn't have.

[mastina]

About half the playerlist is aware of what my towngame looks like though, and I have a lot of time to commit to the game this week
Was just starting to get back into things eod3, which is why FL wanted to quickly lynch me there while it was still easily possible

Pretty much this, yeah, just not proving FL's scum as much as jjh thinks.

[mastina]

I for one gave a huge fuck about the hammer

As did I.

[mastina]

He's not even trading himself here because people like you are still gonna deny that FL is scum

Pretty much yeah.

[mastina]

Maybe he'll claim he has no idea what happened, or maybe he'll just outright admit he was fakeclaiming but you'll still think he's town for dumbass reasons

This, so much this.

[mastina]

I literally can’t fucking win as town if I die here.

Considering that claim's bullshit I don't give a fuck.

[mastina]

This isn’t anti scum it’s anti flavor leaf

The two are one and the same.

[mastina]

This is not town Tet. I don’t know if it’s scum, but town Tet never ultimately fucks me over here

Oh you mean Tet the person who the ACTUAL CLAIMED AND FLIPPED COP, cop cleared?

[mastina]

People are trying so blatantly hard to protect JJH.

Oh maybe that's because people actually have a fucking clue and fucking know that this is jjh's towngame and know that you're fucking fakeclaiming.

[mastina]

the role boons describing does sound 3p

Except it's not a fucking role Krazy would design.

[mastina]

I’m obviously 3rd party, but JJH is not, he is group scum.

There is only one 3p claim I'd believe from you and what you're claiming isn't it.

[mastina]

this is legit.
boon isnt scum.

Well I'd argue on its legitimacy but sure, Boon isn't scum.
Doesn't mean jjh is.

[mastina]

either jj whole team is outing just to save him for some odd fucking reasonor people are that obtuse and I am honestly thinking it is the latter.

Oh it's the latter alright--but it's better to say one person's obtuse and he snowballed the obtuseness outwards to others via a shitty fakeclaim.

[mastina]

MASTIE BABY! You live!

I do!

I was alive on D4, too, but you all know how THAT turned out.

[mastina]

Mastina, can you just like...trust it just this once?

Considering you're claiming a fucking guilty on someone who is obviously fucking town?

Fuck. no.

You are claiming a fucking guilty out of fucking ego because you genuinely believe,

We lynch JJH, who should have already been lynched anyways the day we had the no lynch.

...That jjh should've been lynched.

And you believe in it so strongly that you fake a fucking guilty.

But jjh is town so fuck your fake guilty.

I am lynching ACTUAL scum in the form of Alchemist.

[mastina]

If we Powerlynch you tommorow you did your job TODAY. It's prime scum tactic 101. "Lynch me tommorow if wrong".

Pretty much yeah but sadly this applies even with FL as town. Or 3p but that claim's pretty bullshit, so.

[mastina]

Well to be fair. Jjh was supposed to get lynched almost everyday from what i remember.

And people actually think Flavor Leaf investigated a player that under fire?

i find it a little weird that now a lot of people are defending him when he was a leading wagon multiple days.

Iso me to see what my stance on jjh has been the entire fucking game.

Look to his defenders to see similar.

We're defending jjh because he's fucking town.

Some players when he was being wagoned at the end of D3 might've voted him as a compromise lynch because they wanted a lynch more than they wanted to defend him even if they thought he was town, but absent an impending deadline fuck yes they defend him?

[mastina]

They have been lying about being Masons this entire game. If they were masons, theyd be dead by now.

We're not a priority nightkill because nobody believes we're masons and with me being busy and Elsa not doing much they had no incentive to. (Also I was going to push CheekyTeeky D4, so. They had extra incentive to not kill me.)

[mastina]

Jjh has scum equity just based on how the wagons played out the last few days.

No he fucking doesn't?

He was a deadline compromise wagon based around fucking paranoia of decreased activity levels from him--decreased activity which was fucking temporary and during which time he was still contributing albeit not as much.

You need only look at jjh's D1 play to know he's not scum; he's NEVER had a D1 performance as scum like his D1 this game.

[mastina]

Krillin clearly does the Solar Flare, he does it in the Frieza arc on Namek, and that's a pretty memorable moment even for me.

He DOES, but it's not his signature technique.

When he first uses it (I believe during the introduction of the saiyans?), I believe it's Goku who comments that it's not a hard technique to master, that in spite of it being Tien's technique originally, both he and Krillin have learned it. The point I am making is, it isn't something unique to Krillin; it isn't a technique widely associated with him.

I can buy that Krillin has the flavor of Sensu Beans, because while Krillin isn't the guy who produces them or delivers them, he IS the guy who most frequently holds onto them and he IS the guy who most frequently gives them to characters. (The fat samurai guy's usually the one who delivers them, but Krillin usually holds onto them after the delivery, basically.)

But Krillin's not really memorable in regards to the Solar Flare.

He IS memorable in the Destructo Disc. It is not only HIS move (even though other characters CAN use it), but it is also a move SEEN FREQUENTLY; he spams it almost every fight, in part because it's literally the only reason he's not worthless later on. (Because it's noted that the destructo disc is one of the

only

techniques that can

actually damage opponents who out-class the user

. I.e., he can use it on people and have it actually work even if literally every other technique of every other character including himself would fail.)

Which sounds like it works as a mafia killing power. Almost as if Alchemist might be one of Krazy's favorite scum roles, sayyyy...a limited form of strongman? (By which I mean, some form of gate on it probably relating to power level, and probably activated rather than passively used automatically.)

[mastina]

Mastina's pushing bad cases. They shot JJH BECAUSE he was their traitor.

A claim you make off of a series of posts that your own fucking narrative has holes about, lacking internal consistency.

I literally can fucking prove it.

Oh you can? Why, I'd love to see it?

I mean I've read everything up to 4720 and most certainly haven't seen any proof in spite of reading every post so if you've got something you've held back from sharing I'd most definitely love to hear it!

Oh, were you referring to what you already showed? I'd certainly hope not because that was bullshit, so.

[mastina]

I'm not a threat to town.

You sure are; you're mislynching town and pretending you're not, so.
You being town, 3p, doesn't matter; faking a guilty on town automatically makes you a threat to town regardless of your alignment.

[mastina]

You keep quoting Pink Ball, but Pink Ball's voting with me.

A moment of weakness I'm sure he'll remedy.

[mastina]

Apparently she thinks I'm town...wtf. VOTE JJH THEN!!!!!!!

Thinking you're town and knowing jjh is town are not mutually exclusive, no matter how much you pretend otherwise.

[mastina]

Alchemist is pretty high up on my scum list.

Flavor I'll make you a deal.

I won't lynch jjh today period.

I would however lynch jjh tomorrow regardless of what Alchemist flips if you lynch Alchemist with me today.

Like, regardless of what he flips. Town, scum, 3p. Doesn't matter, I'd lynch jjh tomorrow.

Vice-versa is NOT negotiable because Pink Ball's roleblock is more fucking valuable if scum don't have Alchemist at their disposal...which they will unless we lynch him today.

[mastina]

@Mastina - If you think I'm town, take a leap of faith and go JJH.

Hey Flavor.
Faith is earned.
You've got absolute zero.
In fact you've got NEGATIVE faith.

You know the saying about boy who cried wolf?
Liars get what liars deserve.
And that's to not be fucking believed.

I cannot believe you.

Least of all when jjh has tripped towntells whereas you? You've just...tripped "Flavor Leaf's shenanigans" tells.
And tripping "Flavor Leaf's shenanigans" tells?

Is reason to not fucking have faith in you.

[mastina]

@mastina. Well he’s not been obvi town to me.

Have you played with jjh?
Seen both his towngame and his scumgame and the stark contrast between them?
I have and that's

why

jjh is obvtown to me.

Can you say the same?

[mastina]

There's zero reasons to ever say JJH is obv town here, tbh.

Unless of course.

That's exactly what he fucking is.

[mastina]

Elsa, you were there at the end of Day 3. He should have died there, but he didn't because he is scum.
I called him out Day 3 too.

And yet if he were a scum traitor then the scumteam wouldn't know he was a traitor and thus this logic falls apart, soooooooooooooo.

[mastina]

that's how you know I'm telling the truth.

It says you're town, not that you're telling the truth.

[mastina]

In the 2010s Anime UPick game, I was on the right track to catching scum before Mastina came in and derailed me there too.

Were you now?

Certainly didn't look that way to me!

[mastina]

If I was fake guiltying him as town, I'd have retracted by now.

You've also apparently decided to stick to a 3p claim tho.

[mastina]

I mean, he could have abused it against you.

So you're saying.
jjh, as a scum traitor, on D1.

Went out of his way.

To specifically abuse his meta.

So that I, of all people, would townread him?

Yeah much as I'd love to have that sort of ego-stroking.

jjh doesn't value me that much; I'm not that fucking important.

No.

This is his towngame.

[mastina]

Just as 98% sure you were cheeky was scum right ?

No, they are entirely different.

My read on CheekyTeeky being scum was based on meta and given one week I can explain that read in crystal clarity for exactly where I was coming from. (Also CheekyTeeky, I'd like to say that because you're town here...you're kinda a fucking hypocrite? Justsayin'.)

My read on Flavor Leaf's functional-3p fakeclaim being fake comes from mechanical reasons based off of my past experience with being the reviewer/backup mod for literally every Krazy Large game run ever.

The two are entirely different and comparing them isn't even apples to oranges (because at least apples and oranges have in common being fruit); they are so entirely different that the levels of disingenuous to compare the two is off the charts. The two have literally NOTHING in common.

[mastina]

if jjh flips town i will vote him guaranteed.
if he gets away its because other people let it happen.

And other people will let it happen guaranteed.

Don't pretend there will be the support to lynch Flavor Leaf when there's none to be had.

[mastina]

I would argue that being guiltied count as when deemed necessary

jjh raised a perfectly valid point--he was going to show us more activity regardless but then SOMEONE decided to fucking QUICKLYNCH BEFORE HE COULD, and then posted an IMMEDIATE guilty thus disallowing content viewed without that context.

[mastina]

Btw I find it funny that she brings up an example of jj is not active when scum
This game he has no been active

Provably false.
His iso shows this to be the case.

He has a two fucking page iso and most of that's from D1--the polar opposite of his scum trait.

So thanks for proving my point.

My point holds, yours does not.

[mastina]

I kinda like him begging me to be a swing vote but then I don't really like him not helping me see why I'm meant to be a swing vote here D: D:

I can't like, townread him but he's not someone I'm interested in lynching rn

do you have him as town?

Yeah he's town

For point of reference.

This was jjh's last post of D1.

Do you know how many posts that was?

133.

One hundred and thirty three.

Of a grand total of 296.

Literally almost half of his posts come from D1.

When there was virtually zero pressure on his slot.

Like I said.

He was fucking active.

And look.

thats not what happened.
he claimed it in his 2nd post, with the 1st being "ego"

He did, however, threaten killing a mason so that people wouldn't lynch him

D2 posts like this show he continued to be active.

I mean, I don't see anyone voting Alch or Cafe and I'm aware I probably need to revisit those reads now

But at the same time, Chaos Wind flipping scum in my dream is the closest I've come to actually having an opinion on Chaos Wind's alignment

Even when he was 'less active', did he prod dodge?
Did he lurk?
Did he refuse to give content?

No.

He was fucking posting content.

Because he's fucking town.

Guys 10 hours!

Then lynch Alch I'm not voting Gamma

Didn't really clock how close deadline was though

Even on D3.
Even on the lowest fucking activity day of them all.
jjh was posting content.

You know how much prod dodging he did?

One post. One.

jjh as scum basically does twenty+ prod dodge posts.
Here he had ONE, and that post was IMMEDIATELY followed by content.

jjh. is. town.

[mastina]

Yeah, this fits JJH’s scum meta from Mastina’s description to me.

I just fucking showed with quotes and a very easy iso that no it fucking doesn't.

It's his towngame to a T. Demonstrably, provably, his towngame. You can just fucking iso him to see it. Like. Literally. It's there for anyone to look at and see for themselves.

[mastina]

His scum game is him saying he’s got irl things going on.

And yet.
Fucking read his iso.

How often did he do that?

And when he did it.

How often did he deliver content in spite of saying he had irl things going on, within 24 hours?

jjh as scum when he says he has irl things going on, doesn't deliver on the content or if he does it's close to or AFTER a(nother) prod.

jjh as town will still fucking say he has irl things going on...but critically, can and will deliver the content.

And here he fucking delivered the content.

Read. his. fucking. iso.
It's right fucking there.

I don't mean, "go by your memory of what he said". Your MEMORY of what he said, says,

Which he may not saying he lies about it, but it looked like he milked it for sure.

Your MEMORY said he did it.

But he didn't actually fucking do it

.
Because your memory LIED to you.
And if you actually fucking read his iso instead of pretending to read it.
You'd realize this.

[mastina]

People are trying so blatantly hard to protect JJH.

Oh maybe that's because people actually have a fucking clue and fucking know that this is jjh's towngame and know that you're fucking fakeclaiming.

I’m not fake claiming, and 6 votes on JJH states otherwise.

The lack of a jjh lynch shows my point right.

Everyone not voting jjh can't be scum, and you can't even say everyone not voting jjh plus one person pocketed can be scum. Because so many people

aren't

voting jjh, so.

My point stands.

[mastina]

amazingly enough proving this is jjh scummeta.

Amazingly enough I fucking proved otherwise, that jjh's play IS in fact his town meta.

[mastina]

Goddess mastina hyped me again.
VOTE: Alchemist21

I have that effect on people. <3
It's literally one of the only things I'm good at as town that scumastina sucks at. (As scum I tend to be good at killing hype--never intentionally, mind you, but I just kinda cause it without trying to. But as town, I'm nothing BUT hype.)

[mastina]

I don't want to be between mastina and FL that's so unfair

Hey.
At least we've not 1v1ing each other?

[mastina]

Mastina is being ultra manipulative everywhere.

Flavor Leaf, projecting. Projecting, Flavor Leaf. You two are made for each other, you'll get along swimmingly.

She also counter cases JJH, pushed him as following his town meta, but Flips called her out on that being not true, and Flippy hasn’t even been here for a while.

Yes well I just fucking showed why Flips was wrong and this IS jjh's town meta, sooooo.

[mastina]

This means nothing because Cheeky died that night...

It does because I told Elsa that literally the only way I'd be nightkilled is not because of my mason claim but because of having CheekyTeeky as scum and being killed before I could explain it to people, and to powerlynch Cheeky if I were the nightkill.

[mastina]

Hey so I'm actually pretty hyped for this game

So am I!
My hype looks to be a different alignment than yours tho.
VOTE: jjh

Mastina also votes JJH here after a hype comment, which if JJH hates being scum, this doesn’t make sense from a meta perspective on Mastina and is like SvS.

Problem with that, which proves you're fucking fakeclaiming.
If jjh were a traitor as you're saying.
Then at that point in the game, literally THE FIRST FUCKING PAGE OF THE GAME.
Scum wouldn't know jjh is a traitor.

You literally just proved you're fakeclaiming here with this narrative.

[mastina]

What makes Elsa Jay conftown to you

What makes Elsa Jay conftown to you

Because I have a N0 cop inno on her, obv.

Also we've played together before so I'm not sure what your angle is here

Because we've played together before.

VOTE: Mastina I agree with all of these reads but I don't like the way they were said.

If you agree with the scumread on jjh, then help me bus him.

I'll wait on your elaborate and fairly obvious fakeclaim in a few days because you always roll scum

JJH also setup Mastina here to play her ploy on Elsa.

Mastina also jokingly comments “then help me bus him”, which I believe to be her telling the truth, but obviously having it come off as a joke.

JJH immediately made the obvious fake claim comments to me so he was actively setting up to face me it seems.

Again.
Your fucking "result" is that jjh is a "Traitor".
Your narrative in THIS post is that jjh and I are scumbuddies.
Which isn't fucking possible.
Because on D1.
On page two.
There would be no fucking way for the scumteam to know that jjh is a traitor.

And if you legitimately had a Traitor result on jjh.
You would fucking know this narrative wouldn't work because you would fucking know that on page two the scumteam doesn't know jjh is a traitor.

Ergo.

You're a fakeclaiming fucker.

[mastina]

They also have these and she immediately went to put him up and used Pink Ball as a turnpike to motivate that move

Again.
These assume that jjh and I are scumbuddies.
That's all fine and dandy if you're pushing the narrative that jjh and I are in fact scumbuddies.
And sure feel free to do that.

But if so you'll first need to retract your "jjh is a Traitor" claim because that claim and the narrative that jjh and I were scumbuddies setting up scum theater in the early pages of D1 are mutually fucking exclusive.

That you didn't realize this BLATANT FUCKING HOLE in your narrative is proof the result is utter bullshit.

[mastina]

If this isn't my last post for the next 24 hours please shout at me

UNVOTE:

JJH I AM SHOUTING AT YOU!!!

Also hyper aware of JJH here.
JJH was gone for a while thus Mastina shouting, proving her meta case inaccurate here.

1: jjh was not in fact gone for a while. He declared a 24-hour V/LA and showed up about 9 hours after the end of the V/LA. That's not gone for a while. He couldn't even have possibly have eaten a prod, he was gone for so short of a time. And he gave content immediately before leaving and immediately upon returning. That doesn't prove my meta case inaccurate, it fucking is supporting my fucking point.

2: This was D1. Again, before scum could have had any way of knowing jjh is a "Traitor". If I were scum I wouldn't have any way of knowing jjh was scum. The only way I'd have of knowing jjh was scum would be if we were scumbuddies...in which case, jjh is not a Traitor and your result is fucking bullshit.

[mastina]

Cheeky and Titus were deeper scum reads, both ended up flipping early, and they were town. This implies that scum are killing off Mastina pushes because that’s who is most likely to go against her.

Problem with that:

I don't fucking kill my scumreads.

I kill my strongest townreads.

[mastina]

While I like that analysis there, this negates your push on Alch for the roleblock. Strongmen can’t be roleblocked.

Actually.

Yes they can.

Not universally.

But about 50/50 even split.

Half of strongmen puncture through roleblockers, half of strongmen can be roleblocked by roleblockers.

Strongman != automatically immune to roleblocker.

Also.
Just because Alchemist is probably the scum's strongman does not mean they necessarily used it last night; due to the likely gates on the role, they may have incentive to save it.

So no.

Analysis not invalid.
Analysis perfectly holds.

[mastina]

Mastina’s now grasping at straws to continue attempting to hatchet me. She’s essentially repeating herself, which is hypocritical considering she used that and jjh’s similar post to try and discredit me.

I'm bringing up new points/angles each time.

You're not.

[mastina]

I know JJH is scum, and you know I know JJH is scum.

What I know is that this is jjh's towngame and that you're a pathological fakeclaimer. (Who is basically proven to be fakeclaiming through a blatant contradiction in narrative showing that you couldn't have actually gotten the result you claimed.)

I have every fucking reason to suspect you're pushing a mislynch through because you believe it to be the correct move even though it's a fucking mislynch.

[mastina]

You are pushing the narrative Alch is scum with momentum from Pink Ball’s roleblock, but you pushed Alch as strongman, meaning he could have gone through.

1: I said the strongman was activated, not something passively automatically done. Fail to activate it and a roleblock goes through no questions asked; there's any number of reasons why it WOULD fail to activate, beit literally unable to use or choosing to save it for later or whatnot.

2: Even if it was used, not all strongmen puncture through roleblocks; it is game/mod dependent and thus I do not automatically assume that strongmen puncture through roleblocks.

Strongmen always puncture through protective roles, Doctors/Bodyguards/Rolestoppers/protective Jailkeeps/protective Alien abductions.

Strongmen don't always puncture through Commutes (in fact per Normal standards they don't), Bulletproofs (sometimes they do sometimes they don't), or roleblock roles, Roleblocker/blocking Jailkeeper/blocking Alien abduction. Those are mod/queue/game dependent and situational/not universal.

[mastina]

Another implication of them not actually being masons.

Elsa was joking dude.

[mastina]

Your meta cases were wrong and fabricated.

My meta case may have been exaggerated because I linked to games I hadn't read (games I've read > games I haven't read for meta and the only reading I did for most of those games was jjh's iso), but was no outright fabrication and certainly not wrong.

[mastina]

Mastina: THERE IS ZERO REASON TO HAVE FAITH IN FLAVOR NADA. YOU SHOULD BELIEVE ME
Also mastina: I AM 98% SURE CHEEKY IS SCUM AND TTTT IS TOWN
Ignores the fact that Flavor actually helped majorly to lynch the actual scum she was defending TTTT while she has been wrong in her every read this game.

This is disingenuous as fuck because TTTT was not groupscum. He was not an informed minority, he was an uninformed minority. The only player's alignment he knew was his own, and that is no different from any town player--also? He could win with the town. He didn't need to win as a serial killer; he could win with the town so calling him scum is just outright wrong because he. could. fucking. win. with. the. town. A player able to win with the town is NOT scum so don't fucking pretend he was.

[mastina]

She was also wrong on Titus, and had Panzer really low on her list yet somehow forgot about Panzer.

Titus I changed to be a townread post-vigclaim because she triggered a sekrit towntell.

Panzer's still a fucking scumread of mine which you'd know if you've read my posts.

[mastina]

Mastina you have been wrong in your every read this game, walk me through as to why this is different.

Sure.
I wasn't wrong in every read.

For instance, Gamma being town?

You seem to conveniently forget I was hard defending that slot.

[mastina]

I don't know why FL would lie;

Question.

Have you seen him play town?

That's enough an answer.

[mastina]

Quit underestimating me, Mastina. It’s not gonna turn out well for you when you do.

I told you this before and it remains true because nothing you've done in any game since then has changed it.

I've got zero reason to ever fucking fear you, zero reason to see you as needing respect, zero reason to see you as a threat, zero reason to see you as even worth fucking bothering to deal with.

Nothing you've done has changed that stance and it remains true because literally nothing you do or say changes it. It's the same every fucking game.

[mastina]

Honestly, even if I didn’t have a guilty on him, if all you had was meta, i wouldn’t bite.
Meta is complimentary.

I have more than meta.

jjh's content this game has been town.
He's been town by tone with his posts.
He's been town by his reaction.
He's been town by what he's pushed, when.
He's been town for when he's contributed and the nature of that content.

None of those rely on meta, but meta augments them and suggests that they are further indicators he is indeed town.

[mastina]

Alchemist is literally impossible to lynch today, PB. We have a 5 strong on JJH. None of us are moving.

Fortunately literally everyone off the jjh wagon is willing to vote Alchemist and if they all did we'd have a lynch! 3 + 3 more + one final vote for the hammer.

We can do it even if everyone on jjh stays on jjh.

So absolutely no, Alchemist is not impossible to lynch.

Difficult, sure, yeah.

Not impossible.

[mastina]

Oh look, more hatcheting.

Pink Ball, are you just scum? Because this play makes a lot more sense if you’re just scum and posturing.

Okay so now to legitimately repeat myself.

Everyone defending jjh can't be scum.
Fuck, everyone minus one person defending jjh can't be scum.
There must be, as a prerequisite, multiple town players defending jjh.

Maybe that says something about the validity of your claim?

[mastina]

jjh927(5)

~ Flavor Leaf(1), Panzerjager(1), Xtoxm(17), Shiro(4), Cafe Stile(1)

Flavor Leaf(3)

~ Elsa Jay(1), Tet(5), jjh927(104)

Alchemist21(3)

~ mastina(1), Furret und Woopers(2), Pink Ball(36)
Not Voting (2): Clemency(0), Emperor flippyNips(15)

For proof of how obtainable Alchemist as a lynch is: Elsa will vote with me when need be. jjh will vote Alchemist when need be out of self-preservation. Tet can vote Alchemist; Emperor Flippynips can vote Alchemist; Clemency would hammer without question anyone who got to L-1.

There.

Lynch achieved.

Difficult, sure, yeah.
But not undoable.

Also no fucking joke, with the exception of Flavor Leaf I'd lynch anyone on that jjh wagon. It is literally the worst fucking wagon composition I've ever fucking seen.

[mastina]

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