Role Call I (Game Over)

[popsofctown]

Aw man I missed watching the post that would change my title.

It changed sixish posts ago

[popsofctown]

Looking at the log, at 4:01 p.m. I had 4999 posts and Almost50 posted saying he wants me to be an inventor. At 4:03 pm I posted in the anime discussion thread and became a Jack of All Trades which is kinda similar to inventor

[Gamma Emerald]

dictating gives us so little info though. letting people do as they please, and be held accountable for their choices later on sounds a lot more interesting to me.

More trickery and fancy play potential makes for a more interesting game.

Either way, I doubt well see many day abilities.

Exactly this

[Gamma Emerald]

Because i dont feel like itttt
Tbh ive made some good content relatively you shouldnt worry

Hmm. I do not know what to make of this. At first I thought your open declaration of not trying was a CYA moment for future play:shifty: But now that you are trying, I am not so sure. What happened to change that attitude? To me it looks like you read the mechanics of the game and that somehow jumpstarted your interest.


I was town reading Vecna until 116.

Vecna has been extremely sensible so I don't get this

[Gamma Emerald]

I dont find vecnas opinions scummy

I dont like you weird pokemon

Agreed

[Gamma Emerald]

I like Alchemist. :happy:

Huh? Is he in this game?

[Oversoul]

Oversoul - Finally oversoul. He opens by saying "these roles are lame." He also requested roles. On top of this, Oversoul had light buses on both RC and Sadude. Nothing substantial and nothing he needs to commit to, but they are there. This one for Sadude and this one for RC. He is right, RC is active, and he is directing this scum game.

I feel like you are incredibly off base with your reads this game if you're going to base the entire scumteam around me. You are too influenced by your own confirmation bias that I

must

be scum. Please read your own reasoning for me being scum.

"Oversoul thinks these roles are lame" Ok.
"Oversoul then ASKS for one of those lame roles" Ok.
"Therefore, Oversoul must be scum"

The only thing I can conclude from your scumread on me is that your preconceived notions about how scum would play this game are entirely wrong since I am your strongest scumread and I

know

you're wrong about that.

1. Objectively, these roles are lame. I was thinking we would get more basic things like 1-shot vigilante, tracker, roleblocker, macho cop, etc. Instead, we got a motion detector, several mechanic specific day abilities, and a slew of negative utility passive abilities. I came into this game thinking it was going to be role madness. Obviously that is not the case.
2. I chose a role that I felt like I could actually 1) have fun with, and 2) give benefit to the town. I think I am pretty good at needling people to better understand their motivations. I love neighborhoods, masons, etc. It is like a game within the game. I really do not see why scum would objectively want neighborhood when it has no bearing on actual night play (at least as far as Night 1 goes).

You seem to be holding me to

your

standard of play when it comes to these reads and what

you

would do. I very much doubt that you and I play similarly. The answers to my questions about Saudude and RC would be very helpful for me to ascertain their general motivations in this game. If Saudude has done this type of contradictory behavior, then it would help frame is motivations as not scummy. Additionally, if RC likes being scum and would try, then his lack of trying would help frame is motivation as not scummy.

Pedit:

No he is not. I thought Almost was Alchemist.

[Oversoul]

dictating gives us so little info though. letting people do as they please, and be held accountable for their choices later on sounds a lot more interesting to me.

More trickery and fancy play potential makes for a more interesting game.

Either way, I doubt well see many day abilities.

Exactly this

Because i dont feel like itttt
Tbh ive made some good content relatively you shouldnt worry

Hmm. I do not know what to make of this. At first I thought your open declaration of not trying was a CYA moment for future play:shifty: But now that you are trying, I am not so sure. What happened to change that attitude? To me it looks like you read the mechanics of the game and that somehow jumpstarted your interest.


I was town reading Vecna until 116.

Vecna has been extremely sensible so I don't get this

I will stand behind the fact that I think town gains more by dictating specifically who gets what then just leaving it to chance.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here's a new strategy: Let's all in to games we know we won't play. Like, if you're on a holiday. or if you have exams, or you have a new job.. you're wedding is within a week.. etc.

You're an aussie but many people here treat American Independence day as a one shot, 1 day, 24 hour holiday. My parents planned dinner and a movie. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to /in for a game knowing you'll have a 1 day absence coming up.

If apthet is going to take Friday off from work and combine the weekend into a 5 day vacation I'm definitely with you, though, I missed Pokémon Ruby Mafia because I knew I had a 1 week vacation coming up.

Iconeum replaced into a game about a week before its wedding so we can policy lynch Iconeum here if you feel strongly about this

Fyi I myself try to avoid joining up beyond my capacity. My first game of forum mafia ever I had to replace into because I knew I had Boy Scouts events for the next month or so when I saw it in signups.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I think 166 might be at least half as scummy as it is dumb so I'm not crazy about him becoming king.

I'd rather you be king

Hm?

[Gamma Emerald]

dictating gives us so little info though. letting people do as they please, and be held accountable for their choices later on sounds a lot more interesting to me.

More trickery and fancy play potential makes for a more interesting game.

Either way, I doubt well see many day abilities.

Exactly this

Because i dont feel like itttt
Tbh ive made some good content relatively you shouldnt worry

Hmm. I do not know what to make of this. At first I thought your open declaration of not trying was a CYA moment for future play:shifty: But now that you are trying, I am not so sure. What happened to change that attitude? To me it looks like you read the mechanics of the game and that somehow jumpstarted your interest.


I was town reading Vecna until 116.

Vecna has been extremely sensible so I don't get this

I will stand behind the fact that I think town gains more by dictating specifically who gets what then just leaving it to chance.

This makes me think you believe your talk which makes me trust you a bit more

[momo]

Oversoul - Finally oversoul. He opens by saying "these roles are lame." He also requested roles. On top of this, Oversoul had light buses on both RC and Sadude. Nothing substantial and nothing he needs to commit to, but they are there. This one for Sadude and this one for RC. He is right, RC is active, and he is directing this scum game.

I feel like you are incredibly off base with your reads this game if you're going to base the entire scumteam around me. You are too influenced by your own confirmation bias that I

must

be scum. Please read your own reasoning for me being scum.

"Oversoul thinks these roles are lame" Ok.
"Oversoul then ASKS for one of those lame roles" Ok.
"Therefore, Oversoul must be scum"

The only thing I can conclude from your scumread on me is that your preconceived notions about how scum would play this game are entirely wrong since I am your strongest scumread and I

know

you're wrong about that.

1. Objectively, these roles are lame. I was thinking we would get more basic things like 1-shot vigilante, tracker, roleblocker, macho cop, etc. Instead, we got a motion detector, several mechanic specific day abilities, and a slew of negative utility passive abilities. I came into this game thinking it was going to be role madness. Obviously that is not the case.
2. I chose a role that I felt like I could actually 1) have fun with, and 2) give benefit to the town. I think I am pretty good at needling people to better understand their motivations. I love neighborhoods, masons, etc. It is like a game within the game. I really do not see why scum would objectively want neighborhood when it has no bearing on actual night play (at least as far as Night 1 goes).

You seem to be holding me to

your

standard of play when it comes to these reads and what

you

would do. I very much doubt that you and I play similarly. The answers to my questions about Saudude and RC would be very helpful for me to ascertain their general motivations in this game. If Saudude has done this type of contradictory behavior, then it would help frame is motivations as not scummy. Additionally, if RC likes being scum and would try, then his lack of trying would help frame is motivation as not scummy.

Pedit:

No he is not. I thought Almost was Alchemist.

My scumreads all stand by themselves as independent. If I were to say they were based of one person, it would be RC.

"Additionally, if RC likes being scum and would try, then his lack of trying would help frame is motivation as not scummy."
THAT, ^^^, is without a doubt some terrible logic because it is based of incorrect assumptions. RC likes playing mafia. He is extremely talented at both. He does this by using his meta as an advantage. If you think a lack of posting indicates not trying, you are extremely mistaken. Both Baezu and RC are reasonably active players. The silence is definitely a strategy and it says a lot. Then this post acts like it isn't a strat. As if Baezu and RC are both playing in an atypical manner (inactive) and came to this conclusion independently without any discussion. What?

Also "contradictory behavior" in a typical early game is very common. Wagoning different players in RVS to get reactions.

[callforjudgement]

@callforjudgment: if we were given this exact same role list tomorrow, and we gave the miller role to the player who we previously made day 5 IC, that player would receive no modconfirmation of innocence on day 5 regardless of alignment, correct?

Correct. (Also, please bold requests to the mod, it makes them easier to find.)

Game status

There is no active proposal.
There have been no previous proposals.
List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(14): Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, popsofctown, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, momo, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Almost50. Gamma Emerald. Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Sothis Stefon Styx

Proposal unavailable

(0):

nobody

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Friday 12 July (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-12 00:05:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

Saudade

(2): Iconeum, Saudade

Hidden Happiness

(2): Iconeum, popsofctown

Nero Cain

(1): Oversoul

Vecna

(1): Hidden Happiness

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod following the previous statement I assume a D5 IC on scum would result in either them being confirmed mafia or nothing happening?

[Oversoul]

"Additionally, if RC likes being scum and would try, then his lack of trying would help frame is motivation as not scummy."THAT, ^^^, is without a doubt some terrible logic because it is based of incorrect assumptions. RC likes playing mafia. He is extremely talented at both. He does this by using his meta as an advantage. If you think a lack of posting indicates not trying, you are extremely mistaken

But how do you actually know that? Unless you're in a private chat with him? I acknowledge that there is a possibility that RC is pulling the wool over my eyes. However, if what you're saying about RC is true, he would be very protective of his scum game and at least try to be doing something.

And yes, I do know that contradictory behavior is expected. But he said he was not going to try at all in the

game

and then proceeds to spam and give mostly good content.

Pedit:

I am confused by the mod's answer to pop's question. Does that mean the Day 3 and Day 5 things do not matter because they will get replaced by the Day 2 and Day 4 roles?

@mod, does that mean the roles swap out?

[callforjudgement]

@Mod following the previous statement I assume a D5 IC on scum would result in either them being confirmed mafia or nothing happening?

There would be no announcement if a scum had the Innocent Child role.

@mod, does that mean the roles swap out?

Roles stay permanently (although some only apply on certain days). The role a player gains on D2 will be in addition to the role carried over from D1.

[Sothis Stefon Styx]

Idk why Baezu isn't here.

I think Momo is scum trying to use our presence in the game to his advantage.
I also think that giving us the Day 5 IC removes any even slight motivation for scum to not kill us immediately.

[Sothis Stefon Styx]

I'm willing to take the Day 5 IC and not get to play multiple day phases of the game if Momo is lynched today with us and MariaR hydra takes the universal backup.

How does that sound?

[Sothis Stefon Styx]

The idea that I would tell my hydra partners not to post is fucking absurd.

[Sothis Stefon Styx]

Sorry everything Momo has posted towards us is actually disgusting. Let's just go with the order suggested in 217 and you all can figure everything else out.

[Sothis Stefon Styx]

The only situation in which Momo is town is one where he decided before this game that he was going to policy push on my slot because I was present in it.
I can say with 100% certainty that Momo does not believe what he is saying, similarly to scum!Wgeurts in the recently finished micro where I said the following regarding it:

Btw regarding Wgeurts if he's scum it's not my fault for unvoting him it's the fault of every single townie who has done similarly pro scum things out of paranoia of me and created an environment where scum can get away with doing that.

Given that I don't have to try to play to winrate over an enjoyable game experience, I'm not willing to play with that under the off chance that it's town doing it.

[Sothis Stefon Styx]

Given that the possibility of our slot being scum has been the single largest discussion of the game so far and I don't want to play an entire game of that, I'd rather not try to create incentives for scum not to remove us from the game so let's just give us the IC, kill Momo for having a terrible scumread on me, and make MariaR hydra the universal backup because I scumread the shit out of both heads and would like to find a resolution to that issue that doesn't involve having to push a lynch on them.

[Hidden Happiness]

There is a lot of weird role talk/alignment talk being based around RC when he's barely here. The argument to neuter him so scum don't kill him is fair but neutering him so he doesn't roll the game is ridiculous.

Idk about Maria but I joined this because the mechanics looked neat, if you give me Inactive I'll be upset

[Sothis Stefon Styx]

Sorry if I've excessively framed Momo as a policy lynch; its not. If he was treating any other slot like he is treating ours I would treat him as confirmed scum.
While it has happened on occasion that town have behaved this way towards my slots, even if significantly less frequently than scum doing it, I think that the high odds of a scum flip + the benefits of discouraging that play by policy lynching it by far outweigh not lynching him on the off chance that he's not scum. It's just a good lynch in general, discouraging play I don't like is icing on the cake.

[momo]

RC, the real reason I think you're scum isn't based around inactivity (though that's a contributing factor). It's just that you have literally said before that because of your meta, you have to take charge, both as town, and scum pretending to be down.

Posting from the RC account, then saying you don't want to play, it's only something I can see you doing as scum. Town you wouldn't do it to avoid being mislynched. But scum you can easily state that town you would never do it, and therefor you can't do it. Good mafia players (such as yourself) use their meta. This would be perfect scum use of meta.

I've never known you to choose to lurk just to survive.

Also, I can't find the game rn, but I distinctly remember reading one of your postgames in which you said that when you are scum, you act angry, say something is stupid or disgusting, and expect your idea to go through. That's what you're doing now.

pedit: RC, either way you're not my ideal D1 lynch, largely because of how hard it is to actually lynch someone like you. I honestly can't believe that I'm your number 1 choice for a D1 lynch either, if you are playing from a town standpoint. Why don't you tell us who else you scum read?