Project ARCH - Epilogue

[RedPanda]

You think the event casued Masons to become scum? i.e. the opposite of what the mod had in mind the previous game?

could be that or it could be that Iustia wiped out Aaron and Simon joined them so Iustia won the war between companies.

[RedPanda]

just that post from the mod sounds like he likes playing with alignments.

[RedPanda]

I want to know if it says in dunns pm if it specifically mentions rauth rebel or iustia.

[RedPanda]

oh so Simotech is scum?
Do we know if it's a 3rd party or the groupscum of the game.

They're probably scum, considering the flavor of this game. Though they were the town of the previous game...
We don't know anything else at the moment. The Rebels are probably town, and they're revealed in the Sample Role PM to use the color green, but it says Sample Role PM and not Sample

Town

Role PM. While their Win condition is seemingly standard for town it's possible it will change as new information is revealed.

However, I remember what happened in the previous game and statements that were made by the mod at it's end.
I have a theory that in this game there is no town or scum at the start of the game. Whoever wins the game will be town. Whoever loses will be scum. We might be evenly balanced between three or more alignments at the start. (Possibly two, but as I mentioned some of the flavor implies three.)

cause rauth sounds sketchy here.

[RedPanda]

alright. I'm not isoing PP or Claude I'll just finish primate.

[RedPanda]

If this is town it's like [bambi jay, primate, CK, unknown]

if it's scum it's like [primate, ck/ftc, unknown]

well it is probably the most common role. so whatever you wanna call it.

I don't think it makes sense to think that a bunch of people in the game got activated BPs

based on flips, this does look like Aeon had the first night kill.

[RedPanda]

If people want content from me this is how I'm leaning.

Strong Town

• Cloudkicker / Sakura Hana / KidAmn / RedPanda

Town

• Almost50 / Chemist1422 / Dunnstral / Gamma Emerald / WhemeStar

Idk

• Bambi Jay / Oversoul

Scum

• Almost50 / Fred The Cat / MariaR / PenguinPower

Strong Scum

• Rautherdir / RadiantCowbells Superfan

hmmm...

[RedPanda]

Also Gamma, I didnt even ISO primate or PP because im a lazy motherfucker, but i bet a vote that if you ISO primate (assuming hes aeon) he listed PP as scum; basically the only slot on the table who didnt think PP was town.

Its very common that mafia will put towny scum slot on way lower read list tier because they are very concerned about how a flip will look like in their read list ISO (been there, done that)

He probably hasnt pushed the slot a single time (didn't ISO, i am assuming) will probably iso once this chemist is fliped

Ck def not aeon.

[RedPanda]

Vote Alisae

[RedPanda]

Alisae please full claim.

[RedPanda]

a50 serum count for two activations of enrage checks out.

[RedPanda]

Alisae please full claim.

[RedPanda]

This is a bad lynch. If what alisae says is true, then it means there are two bgs that can kill scum and only a strongman would overcome that. How can Aeon not have a strongman?

[RedPanda]

Alisae what I want from is your night actions? how much serum you have, when u activated your ability?

[RedPanda]

From my understanding, the person telling me to full claim is lynchable
I’m not listening to that person, they can go fuck themselves

People are being lazy and not reading my ISO. I am not lynchable by any means. You are in my POE. If you don't want to scumhunt, go ahead but don't give me the I won't give u any info shit.

[RedPanda]

vote alisae

[RedPanda]

All i've hidden from u guys is the knowledge of an event that triggers in case simotech kills me either because of my seal or through nightkill. And I'm sending letters everynight to clear myself and I want to give it to everyone because I have the "maybe affected by other roles and modifiers" also. maybe it does something good.

[RedPanda]

I suspect bambi for pushing the one of the neighborizers must be scum. The neighborizers were the only ones confirmed not aeon because there has to be am Aeon strongman with two bodyguards with strongmans affecting them and three bps in the game.

Lynch Alisae to confirm if they are bg and then lynch bambi.

[RedPanda]

the multi track could be a factional ability.

[RedPanda]

I'm tired of defending so I'm not going to do it anymore. Go read my iso.

[RedPanda]

Welcome

I hope we all can have a meeting some time

You sound like you're employed. I like you.

Employed list Bum list
Sakura hana
Fred the cat

He claimed Miller D1, do you have information that he has MORE NU aspects of his role aside from that?

Potentially. I know someone in this game has a very powerful role and based off what has happened to me, I think it might be Dunn.

Something happened to me too.
And I believe RP is most likely the cause.

I did nothing to your slot. I gave something to fred last night and yes this is information I'd like town to have.

[LYNCH] unwnd- [10] Dunnstral 802, Bambi Jay 877, PenguinPower 1278, Fred the Cat 1319, Rautherdir 1620, Almost50 1706, Celestial Coordinates 1816, Sakura Hana 1831, Cloudkicker 1834, unwnd 1841

Ignoring Unwnd and CC since, ya know... They ded. Here's the 8 people who got 2 serum for that.

Dunn
Bambi
Almost
Pengu
Fred
Rauth
Sakura
Cloud

We know what Sakura did, and I know what I did/didn't do. So 6 unknowns.

I think out of this list, Sakura and cloud are the ones most trying to game solve day2. I'd like to veto fred from the pool.

I have reasons to believe Aeon are as much town than any other corporations.
@RP do you know if you were succesfull?

I'm waiting for fred to confirm.

pisskop isn't simotech. get off his wagon.

pisskop isn't simotech. get off his wagon.

Well unless you can debunk what i have against PK, you can bet im never getting off his wagon.

• His predecesor being a Creature Alt
  
• His predecessor playing to their scum meta
  
• Himself not playing to his self-proclaimed town meta

Yes I do. I've activated my neighborhood already. It doesn't work on simotech.

[RedPanda]

I've found u suspicious whole game. If you look at my readslist you were always in the scum category. I also found you suspicious for siding with Pisskop over me when we had our dispute. Clearly pisskop lied in our Pt and I called him out for it and asked for an explanation, he went silent and as it was night and I had no way to communicate that to you guys, I was forced to gambit. When I mentioned a case on pisskop, he went full survival mode and and tried to spin it in his favor and then at the end started calling me maybetown. My case on pisskop was real, he did lie to me about his abilities in our pt and I wanted him lynched for it.

Are events exclusive? I don't think my event benefits town. I'm only revealing it because it's something that lends more credibility to my flavor because I'm a simotech defector and simotech has finally hunted me down.

A50 mentioned somekind of bot which ascentized or something, why not an ability which can track people? Your ability makes more sense for scum rather than a letter which if I don't send it, I out myself.

I did try and stop fish lynch and stated my reasoning for it but the lynch went through immediately after my post.

[RedPanda]

An aeon strongman mechanically makes sense and we're still lynching people who clearly don't have strongman as a personal ability.

[RedPanda]

Also bambi a look at my readslist would prove that I'm not scum. It's like I'm offing everyone in my scumpile rather than in my townpile. good job RP!

[RedPanda]

btw if u guys didn't know, I can activate my meeting anytime. if you look at 379, its my letter soft. 2167 is me hard claiming that fred got it. 2171 is where I wanted fred vetoed because I wanted to add 1 more in the pile before I tested them. 2201 is where I wanted fred to confirm if he got it or not. 2984 and 3055 is where I activate because people ignored my fred veto and still tried to lynch him.

[RedPanda]

strongmans need serum btw

[RedPanda]

also Is the case on me that u think cloudkicker is lying about getting my letter?

[RedPanda]

if aeon can't nightkill, this game would be a bitch to play as scum. how many mislynches do u need to win the game?

[RedPanda]

Yeah but simotech is wiped out and if aeon still doesn't have access to simotechs nightkill or they dont gain their own nightkill, that game would be bullshit.

[RedPanda]

Yeah but simotech is wiped out and if aeon still doesn't have access to simotechs nightkill or they dont gain their own nightkill, that game would be bullshit.

Ok i get that.
But why would that give Aeon a strongman.

I just feel because there are two roles which specifically mention a strongman in their ability. A50 and now alisaes claimed role, it just makes more sense for there to be multiple strongmans or atleast a backup strongman. What happens if oversoul was lynched day 1 and then alisae or A50 are always enraging with gamma supplying them serum.

[RedPanda]

also Is the case on me that u think cloudkicker is lying about getting my letter?

Also about this.
I think you would've sent letter instead of NK, considering the NK is nowhere unless ali's scum.

are u saying I'm solo scum now?

[RedPanda]

but this is multi scum. clearly Aeon and simotech don't know each other. You accept that that is balanced? u are sounding susp now.

[RedPanda]

If I'm getting lynched, I'm getting lynched. I just don't want to see people getting away with it just like they did by getting fishmonger lynched.

[RedPanda]

This is a bad lynch. If what alisae says is true, then it means there are two bgs that can kill scum and only a strongman would overcome that. How can Aeon not have a strongman?

?? I had already mentioned my reasoning before and I was trying to get Alisae to claim her night actions. fish was hammered a few hours after I posted this. Your claim that I didn't try to stop his lynch is just a lie.

[RedPanda]

Why, pray tell, is it a bad idea to kill the last Neighborizor if ALL the other ones are already flipped?

because apart from the fact that the we were the only ones that could not be the strongmen, we were also prevented from making the kill or outing.

If there's two mafia left, then it would make no sense for me to be the reason for a no kill. If I was solo, then the mod giving a role that outs me is stupid. The neighborizers are just VT's in the game. I am a VT also just with a modifier because of my identity.

[RedPanda]

Why was there no Kill despite me being an open target unless scum needed to do something else like send a letter out instead?

The no kill points towards you. Bambi scum can't kill anyone else without susp going towards bambi for surviving. That argument could be used for everyone to cast suspicion on me or you for the no kill if really there was a no kill. It took me a minute to think of this. You not even considering this is suspicious.

[RedPanda]

the reason I thought it was a rival corporation was because my ability didn't say "not guaranteed to be sided with the rebels." It said "not guaranteed to share your interests for a better future."

[RedPanda]

no need for sarcasm. by your logic then it's 3/19 VT in the game.

[RedPanda]

There are 3 people claiming VT with BP and three people confirmed to be sending letters. In a 19 player game where are the VT's??

[RedPanda]

Yes that's the only role that can be considered as VT.

[RedPanda]

At first I thought it was team of Alisae+bambi or Alisae+kidamn or it was mason scum but now I think its Alisae+sakura. Sakura's idea of balance pings me so hard and the way she uses any defense I make to paint me as solo scum and duo scum whenever it suits her using separate logic for both. I'm really tired of the game now and I think the game can be easier solved with a lynch so please just pick someone.

[RedPanda]

Yeah, I'm under no illusions.

I'm Will Grant from GenX. 2 serum to remove someone from their factional PT. 1s upkeep, if I don't pay upkeep/die they get to go back in. Used it on OS last night. Didn't use it n2 cause I'd immediately fail upkeep.

Mod wouldn't tell me what implications this would have wrt to them organising factional night actions.

I think this is actually what "fired" sakura.

[RedPanda]

multi scum where scum don't know each other and an aeon traitor who don't know both scumteams. I mean, is that actually what you guys think?

I've already said I caught Pisskop in a lie in my pt. He claimed no power earlier in my pt and then claimed bg in the thread. When I called him out on it, he replaced out. But I 95% thought he replaced back in with an alt was pretending. He went silent in my pt and all of it is proved my pisskop himself admitting his lie in this thread. Since I knew pisskop couldn't be simotech, I chose the next best faction as something I could bait him on, so that he wouldn't kill me.

[RedPanda]

I remember calling him out before day ended and because wheme used his seal on pisskop, I wanted to make sure pisskop was ok with that lynch(basically wanted to know what power wheme claimed) because at this point I thought all our seals had powers but when wheme flipped vanilla, it was then that it clicked that pisskop was faking the whole thing because he assumed because I had a power, he was supposed to have one too.

[RedPanda]

Yeah, we never said anything about traitor!Panda knowing his teammates or not. That kind of sounds like a slip, correct me if I'm wrong. (Though I'm also not sure why a traitor in this game wouldn't know who their team-mates are, to be honest.)

huh? I claimed it to a townie. How is that a slip when that is what happened? Whats bugging me is your idea of balance. That in game with 2 flipped simotech and 2 flipped aeon where one aeon was crosskilled, you are calling me an aeon traitor who could also have been easily killed by scum because prior to me vs fishmonger, I was being heavily townread by everyone.

[RedPanda]

Also, not sure why you keep bringing up the fact that pisskop lied, RedPanda. Cause they flipped town when we lynched them yesterday.

Because that is the reason triggered the traitor claim? He lied to me in my pt and when I figured it out, it was night and I had also let him know that I knew he lied. from my pov pisskop was scum and he just went silent in my pt when I kept trying to communicate with him. So obviously I thought I was going to be the kill that night because he didn't want me to reveal him next day.

[RedPanda]

Re: CK saying RP's posting habits didn't change - they clearly did, given that RP was prodded along with me. They just clammed right up there, and let things run their course.

cause I was annoyed by sakura and I was like fuck this game.

[RedPanda]

Just don't townread sakura at lylo. I think primates ability is what caused sakura her thing. and I think once someone is removed from their factional qt, they get dropped into outcast qt. I think that makes sense.

[RedPanda]

I hope you don't give an excuse like "oh Ck only defended panda because he is scum who knew panda would flip town" tomorrow. CK is town and he worked too hard to be scum in my book.

[RedPanda]

Everytime I fosed kid/bambi/alisae and reread, I would find reasons thst they are town and it would kill my vibe, so that means their slots played well.

@RP: your tone was pretty great, I dont think I wouldve find you on tone alone. I think your posts were pretty good too, gj

thanks. it was pretty much over when oversoul died and my only plan was to plant seeds about the masons and then get two mislynches and then hope for paranoia about two scum rather than one.

My first mistake was assuming an aeon would have information about my role, so when I saw fred crumb his role, I thought it was him and when pisskop lied about his ability, I just thought he was aeon.

[RedPanda]

I think it was a gambit assuming town believed there was 2 mafia left (which was basically my whole though process and the reason why I wanted to lynch outside RP).

Also, he was pretty fucked because someday he would need to kill someone and claim they sent a letter there. If town forced him a letter list he would be very likely in autoloss

Yes this was my idea. I would have killed rauth and sent a letter there tonight If alisae had been lynched and again tried to spin it as 2 mafia, so I'd not have to be forced into that move.

[RedPanda]

And I'm okay with releasing scum pts.

[RedPanda]

I was going to claim to be an outcast simotech defector btw but luckily people revealed that they had a outcast pt in the game so I dodged that bullet.

[RedPanda]

sorry RP

Hey np dude. I think town played very townie this game. Their tones were really townie.

[RedPanda]

And PP the kill on you was my idea. I'm sorry about that. I really thought we had the A50 lynch that day and when you put a full stop to that, I really thought you were an investigative. I already knew dunn and rauth were masons so I didn't want more confirmed towns in the game.

[RedPanda]

Why did u kill us?

I never even got to play.

my choice was between you and sakura because I was sure u guys weren't aeon.

[RedPanda]

You're telling me

You were at least alive during a day phase :V

It wasn't me that killed you