Project ARCH - Epilogue

[CloudKicker]

Oh yeah I'm a bulletproof too

the two post claim is scummy

wouldn't the bulletproof be the first thing he wants to claim if he's gonna claim, not all the other stuff?

Not necessarily, if its like the sample PM, its not a substantial role and mostly just VT

[CloudKicker]

MAN I can't wait for this poorly distinguished town-block to be completely f*cking shattered when I flip Green

Do you have anything serum related?

[CloudKicker]

MAN I can't wait for this poorly distinguished town-block to be completely f*cking shattered when I flip Green

Do you have anything serum related?

Ah yeah but if I'm dying I'm gonna be extra spiteful and not tell you what it does

So tell me when you are alive? lmao

[CloudKicker]

Translation: he's the same as the sample role PM

Why do you answer for others? Don't you think i could get to that conclusion alone? Don't you think there's a reason why I am asking if hes full BP or not? Do you think you have his role pm in hand and can answer my question? No, thats what i thought

[CloudKicker]

Well I dunno

I'm pretty much unlimited BP that has no upkeep and can stay alive as long as I have serum.

sketchy role as well

what if, like, I rolled this role

Is there a difference w/ the sample role, or is it pretty much the same thing?

[CloudKicker]

If he saw the sample role and had the same role, its easy to disregard the weak bp stuff and just claim VT

[CloudKicker]

Spoiler: Here's a sample role PM

I have to stay strong. I cannot bend. Please, do it for him.

It's been a terrible few years. I got far in life, and the sacrifices I've made for that have been great. Far too great.
Years ago, when this all started, I joined Iustitia after my husband was murdered by Simotech. I was angry, no, furious. I had that burning passion to destroy everything, EVERYTHING they built.
Slowly but surely, we got there. We broke in, we stole data, we informed all innocent people. We hacked, we destroyed, we took down everHope. We lost many people doing that, but it was worth it. Sacrifices had to be made, and they were willing to.

So was I.

''Right after we took down everHope, I wasn't happy. I wasn't satisfied. Our victory felt empty, hollow. It just wasn't enough. And that's when I proposed starting a war.

Am I the cause of all this bloodshed? Am I unreasonable for wanting them dead, wanting to see them suffer? For a very long time, I told myself I wasn't. That this was the right thing to do, that justice just needed to be served.
But every day again, I wake up crying. Sweating. I see their faces, all of them, of the people I murdered. I don't know them, but they were a person. They had a life. They loved someone, and someone loved them.

It's too late to go back now. Way too late. They have to go, for once and for all. Please, just let me find peace.

You are Thalia Coleman, sent by Iustitia, Aligned with The Rebels.

You have the following abilities:
Armoured
You may pay 5 serum to become bulletproof that night. This has no upkeep.
You win when all threats to the Rebellion have been eliminated.''

Is your BP ability different than this one?

[CloudKicker]

cloud why are you reaching for every straw to call him town

I am not, i just know it happens to forget part of their claims. I can reflect that post back at you with finding him scum.

[CloudKicker]

cloud why are you reaching for every straw to call him town

I am not, i just know it happens to forget part of their claims. I can reflect that post back at you with finding him scum.

sure, if he's town i'll look dumb. but i have enough reasons to scumread him that I'm willing to take that chance.

Same for me, if hes scum ill look dumb, i also have a few good posts of his to believe hes town

[CloudKicker]

If you think I'm that bad of a scum player (Hint: ask MariaR about my scumgame which hasn't even happened on this acc yet) to fabricate my Role PM using the outlining of a Sample Role PM then like wow

i mean that role is far more believable as a scum role though. what happens if a strong townie gets perma bp and the game's just over? you claimed the ability to serum all the time which implies it's 2 or less which seems outside of any reasonable balance range.

I think you should commit to this lynch and I look forward to what you're going to do next as with a few others lol

Someone asked me about CK? I don't townread him if that's what you're asking. I haven't had the enthusiasm to deliberate my thoughts cuz nobody seemed too interested in considering them because the consensus is that I am scum

Do you think im reaping t creds on your ass? If not, how can you explain my play from your pov

[CloudKicker]

i mean, if he had any sort of ability that would make people think twice about lynching him he'd have claimed that.

The BP stuff is most likely all VTs since sample PM and VT needs something to use serum on. Why don't you think he wouldve claimed something useful as mafia? See, your same logic used to, imo, arrive at the wrong conclusion.

What kept uwnd as mefia from claiming literraly anything than VT+weak BP as the first claim in the game?

[CloudKicker]

If you think I'm that bad of a scum player (Hint: ask MariaR about my scumgame which hasn't even happened on this acc yet) to fabricate my Role PM using the outlining of a Sample Role PM then like wow

i mean that role is far more believable as a scum role though. what happens if a strong townie gets perma bp and the game's just over? you claimed the ability to serum all the time which implies it's 2 or less which seems outside of any reasonable balance range.

If it's a permanent BP that just means a strongman is even more likely? For scum to benefit that hints at a vigi and/or SK.

Its not Permanent BP, its BP for 1 night with no upkeep, he doesnt lose his vote even if he as no serum after he used his ability, its a very weak role

[CloudKicker]

Its not Permanent BP, its BP for 1 night with no upkeep, he doesnt lose his vote even if he as no serum after he used his ability, its a very weak role

technically yes but in practice people don't give townies the kind of role that they could just sit around being bulletproof all game.

IMO he loses the BP even if unhit, thats how i am reading the sample role pm. I dont understand your post if you read it the same way i do

[CloudKicker]

Cloud has awful awful SvS associatives with him and is sitting here hard defending the fuck out of him despite having mentioned that he was revisiting that townread

New infos

[CloudKicker]

I will be happy regardless of his flip and ill prob be hammering just 4 sweet serum in case im wrong

[CloudKicker]

Honestly I read no upkeep like 'as long as you have serum you can keep getting vests'

Shrug

Yeah the way you worded it made me think this too. Don't get where everyone got the 1BP thing from.

So in summary if you flip town, that just means Scum have a Strongman type of ability that probably costs quite of bit or serum or something to counter it and any other abilities like it. But if you flip that way as Scum I'm like 99% positive an SK gets a Strongman instead.

"you become BP that night" vs "you become BP"

Its pretty clear

[CloudKicker]

@MOD

: The armoured ability in the sample role PM, does the user keep the BP for 1 night or for the rest of the game?

[CloudKicker]

Oh yes give 4 serum to someone townie please lol

thats a s slip

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: unwd

[CloudKicker]

get your vote off or i'm lynching you instead.

you're the last person who gets serum today.

no

[CloudKicker]

uwnd you should self for townie brownies

[CloudKicker]

lmao, this is getting interesting

[CloudKicker]

that's a serious threat btw.

Then vote me, you think i give a iota of a fuck

[CloudKicker]

Yea, its super obvious we are S vs S, i need that serum to make me unvotable tomorow plzz

[CloudKicker]

Oh yes give 4 serum to someone townie please lol

thats a s slip

lmao this is why i dont townread u

To be honest there, i think its most likely you just forgot the details about serum gain than that you s sliped, but w/e

[CloudKicker]

Oh man btw Thank you RC, that way my strong PR collegues, uwnd, will fight another day and will use his very precious role he did not claim while he preferred to claim vt!

[CloudKicker]

Oh yes give 4 serum to someone townie please lol

thats a s slip

lmao this is why i dont townread u

To be honest there, i think its most likely you just forgot the details about serum gain than that you s sliped, but w/e

back to excuses for why he is gonna not scumread them

Yes i am voting them? Also how do you feel about uwnd's distancing? I think hes doing a pretty good job

[CloudKicker]

Oh man btw Thank you RC, that way my strong PR collegues, uwnd, will fight another day and will use his very precious role he did not claim while he preferred to claim vt!

he claimed activated bp. what do you think you get out of lying?

He didnt claim anything of the sort, he basically said he had the sample role claim

[CloudKicker]

the BP thingy is a VT claim

[CloudKicker]

Like i said, VT's also needs something to use serum on

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE: oh man wait, i was almost getting it

[CloudKicker]

man i'm scared this lynch just doesn't go through.

whatever, someone can roleblock ck or something

VOTE: Unwnd

He didnt claim anything of the sort, he basically said he had the sample role claim

WHICH WAS LITERALLY AN ACTIVATED BP.

if you're town CK you're actually in a special tier of awful player.

So now knowledge about all the roles makes me a bad player? what about hard sring 2 town slots? only his flip will tell

[CloudKicker]

uwnd you should self for townie brownies

this was also pretty scummy.

@Sakura it's genuinely not worth the hassle. there's probably a vig to shoot CK anyway.

I'd like to think I was making a joke based on your wording of (4) serum by saying 'yes give 4 serum to someone townier' but alrighty then

Somehow we've gone back to the first couple of pages in this game

I dont understand that post at all

[CloudKicker]

The last one, 2 first quote are formatting errors

[CloudKicker]

Like i said, VT's also needs something to use serum on

Then they aren't really Vanilla then now are they?

Legit, why do you think VTs can use Serum outside of an event or something?

Yes its a motherfucking VT claim, have you ever seen a sample role pm that didnt list the most common fucking flip? I havent

[CloudKicker]

uwnd you should self for townie brownies

this was also pretty scummy.

let's just lynch unwnd

i legit just don't have the energy to force a 19p game to wagon CK to threaten him off of the wagon.

pussy

VOTE: uwnd thx for serum nerd

[CloudKicker]

can't do much with that serum if you're getting vigged.

Like i said, VT's also needs something to use serum on

Then they aren't really Vanilla then now are they?

Legit, why do you think VTs can use Serum outside of an event or something?

Yes its a motherfucking VT claim, have you ever seen a sample role pm that didnt list the most common fucking flip? I havent

this is

such

bullshit.

Why is it bullshit?

[CloudKicker]

lol the self, we did it uwnd i got all the serum

[CloudKicker]

Like i said, VT's also needs something to use serum on

Then they aren't really Vanilla then now are they?

Legit, why do you think VTs can use Serum outside of an event or something?

Yes its a motherfucking VT claim, have you ever seen a sample role pm that didnt list the most common fucking flip? I havent

That... Still doesn't mean it's a VT tho, wut.

The role is playing the same "nice" in the game, like VT does aka the weakest and most common role

[CloudKicker]

Yes its a motherfucking VT claim, have you ever seen a sample role pm that didnt list the most common fucking flip? I havent

this is a literally impossible perspective to have.

Why not?

[CloudKicker]

he's essentially asserting that in this game, VTs get activated BP. there's no reason to have that viewpoint. etc.

well it is probably the most common role. so whatever you wanna call it.

If this is town it's like [bambi jay, primate, CK, unknown]

if it's scum it's like [primate, ck/ftc, unknown]

well it is probably the most common role. so whatever you wanna call it.

I don't think it makes sense to think that a bunch of people in the game got activated BPs

Sakura and I does

[CloudKicker]

Man RC you will confirmation bias until the fucking end wont you

[CloudKicker]

Man RC you will confirmation bias until the fucking end wont you

lol. i'm probably the least confbiasy player that exists.

I think thats basically the only you have done with consistency this game

[CloudKicker]

Im town on u, i voted 4 serum, nothing personnal

[CloudKicker]

BTW CC, if you really end up viging me i will be the last one laughing

[CloudKicker]

my work here is dunn

cool soft

[CloudKicker]

True, i did plently of antagonizing, you also did plently of fosing town

[CloudKicker]

I said what I said, that I am extremely unlikely to incorrectly lead on town that makes an honest effort to show me that they're town but that can't be said of you or unwnd

Why not? I have outed more town content than 95% of this player list

[CloudKicker]

19 people is really just too many.

That's what a Large is tho. I may be biased from after playing 20 and 24p games really. The only time I got fucked by a player list was Drealm's over 30 playerlist. And the One Night 80ishp. Never again.

80ish, are you serious

[CloudKicker]

FTR Sakura is town if I get shot

[CloudKicker]

If anything, both flip makes me town, learn to second guess and to read sakura

[CloudKicker]

Im honestly getting pretty upset and i feel like i will not be very adequate in my langage used

[CloudKicker]

Also conf fucking biasing simple minded players, you thought i was mafia regardless of the flip so why do you even give a shit about this game? @gamma @sakura

[CloudKicker]

My whole d1 play makes very little sens as anything scum agenda. If you use 101 use occam razor, the better explanation is that I am just town who townread correctly a slot that was heavily fosed

[CloudKicker]

Also Red Panda got some explaining to do.

What do i have to explain exactly? Why do you imply that somehow the flips shades my slot in ANY way whatsoever?

[CloudKicker]

Also conf fucking biasing simple minded players, you thought i was mafia regardless of the flip so why do you even give a shit about this game? @gamma @sakura

I don't like your action around the hammer rn

Also Red Panda got some explaining to do.

What do i have to explain exactly? Why do you imply that somehow the flips shades my slot in ANY way whatsoever?

You misread that post.

true, i assumed "also" implied i also had something to explain

[CloudKicker]

Also Red Panda got some explaining to do.

What do i have to explain exactly? Why do you imply that somehow the flips shades my slot in ANY way whatsoever?

You're not RedPanda but you popping off like this sure makes you trustworthy

Lmao what, are you saying im scummy for misreading a post that i thought was shading my slot? How is that anyway linked to redpanda? My post answer had nothing RP related

[CloudKicker]

If you thought killing RC would make me stop listening to him you're 100% mistaken.

RC is n1d most of his game as town, dont you think that getting to the CONCLUSION that i am mafia for it ISNT

confirmation bias

since you fosed me BEFORE you had the information that RC was n1d?

Dont you take into consideration that RC hardest foses was wrong and that he fosed me in part because of association with him?

Dont you take into consideration that i did townread uwnd the major part of the day, do you even care? If im mafia doing that, whats the point when im getting instant voted at the start of d2? Dont you think that if i wanted to get towncreds for defending town being lynched, i would do so with more precautions and not draw attention to myself? lmao

[CloudKicker]

Also Red Panda got some explaining to do.

What do i have to explain exactly? Why do you imply that somehow the flips shades my slot in ANY way whatsoever?

You're not RedPanda but you popping off like this sure makes you trustworthy

Lmao what, are you saying im scummy for misreading a post that i thought was shading my slot? How is that anyway linked to redpanda? My post answer had nothing RP related

My issue is you being on edge like you are

Im on edge because im getting pinned this shit for no reasons, i absolutely dislike being fosed as town

[CloudKicker]

Then congratulations gamma, you cannot read

VOTE: primate textbook scumpost

[CloudKicker]

If you thought killing RC would make me stop listening to him you're 100% mistaken.

RC is n1d most of his game as town, dont you think that getting to the CONCLUSION that i am mafia for it ISNT

confirmation bias

since you fosed me BEFORE you had the information that RC was n1d?

Dont you take into consideration that RC hardest foses was wrong and that he fosed me in part because of association with him?

Dont you take into consideration that i did townread uwnd the major part of the day, do you even care? If im mafia doing that, whats the point when im getting instant voted at the start of d2? Dont you think that if i wanted to get towncreds for defending town being lynched, i would do so with more precautions and not draw attention to myself? lmao

1. Since when? Only when he's townread AND has good reads.

2. Fair point.

3. TMI?

Speaking of considerations Sakura, you should be the single slot who should townread me the most because we are almost mechanically cleared to each other, but you are so blind that i need to state that for you

[CloudKicker]

RC softed prs throught the day, he even sliped that we was PR along. Any scum who can read wouldve gunned them down

[CloudKicker]

But I wanna see if the reason is correct, why do u think we should be mechanically confirmed to each other?

I am not saying because it will affect too many slots, so keep that tight with you and i will explain it later if its relevant

[CloudKicker]

RC softed prs throught the day, he even sliped that we was PR along. Any scum who can read wouldve gunned them down

I didnt think he did until he slipped lack of confidence in the "VTs" being BP.

Thats him PR slipping, im saying he did that but he also softed pr way before and more precisely, and thats coming from someone who sucks at seeing crumbs

[CloudKicker]

I'll leave you be for now
VOTE: RedPanda

Wrong vote, seriously, move your vote onto primate and read RP's ISO. Primate's is RC's read as well so you shouldnt have a problem going there

[CloudKicker]

I'll leave you be for now
VOTE: RedPanda

Wrong vote, seriously, move your vote onto primate and read RP's ISO. Primate's is RC's read as well so you shouldnt have a problem going there

He got some explaining to do.

He has nothing to explain, all you do is fish for information you shouldnt want out

[CloudKicker]

Dunn, I would like you to claim ANY negative utility aspect of your role

VOTE: Dunnstral

I’m not joking about this.

Do you even think that voting them before he posted would increases his likelihood of answering you? the vote + threat makes no sens from someone waiting for an answer

[CloudKicker]

It’s preemptive for him to know I don’t want any bs.

Hes hard trd by the majority of the town, he hardclaim mafia for the rest of the day and i wouldnt think about lynching him for a good while. He already claimed miller about twice, if you want to be helpful then read and out ur pov from what is going on

[CloudKicker]

also, nots chainsaw but omgus @kid

[CloudKicker]

He claimed Miller D1, do you have information that he has MORE NU aspects of his role aside from that?

Potentially. I know someone in this game has a very powerful role and based off what has happened to me, I think it might be Dunn.

Jeez people spewing infos left and right, why do you want a town slot to out?

[CloudKicker]

Then stfu about it lmao? whats the problem, you dont want to give infos to scum

[CloudKicker]

He claimed Miller D1, do you have information that he has MORE NU aspects of his role aside from that?

Potentially. I know someone in this game has a very powerful role and based off what has happened to me, I think it might be Dunn.

Jeez people spewing infos left and right, why do you want a town slot to out?

Because whatever targeted me is most likely not town.

He claimed Miller D1, do you have information that he has MORE NU aspects of his role aside from that?

Potentially. I know someone in this game has a very powerful role and based off what has happened to me, I think it might be Dunn.

Jeez people spewing infos left and right, why do you want a town slot to out?

... They wouldn't think Dunn is a town slot if that was the info they had, bro.

Oh fuck wait, I just proved I can read. Fuck.

Whats your problem with me? You keep shading my slot and lowkey banter discrediting what i said

[CloudKicker]

Primate's posting has been textbook scumclaiming since the start of the day, I have no clue how is no one seeing how blatant he got as I do

[CloudKicker]

Primate's posting has been textbook scumclaiming since the start of the day, I have no clue how is no one seeing how blatant he got as I do

I want to vote inside the people on the wagon because whatever targeted me had to have been with serum help.

I prefer to lynch mafia than possible mafia

[CloudKicker]

Yes its not bad to assume that maybe scum gets serum for MLs

[CloudKicker]

I didn’t find Primate scummy when i blitzed through the thread yesterday. Why are you so sure he is scum?

d1 i was swingy the read; some of his posts were scummy and null. I think i had tagged him as town at some point but it disappeared once i iso'd them.

If you read him, he actually has no content at all ever and his stances are all opportunistic and coasty.

He did say he townread me or found no reason to scumread me d1, yet he never showed up when i was under duress. Today i got instantly voted and shaded, yet he didn't say anything related to his read on my case. His d2 entry post is the most scummy post on the whole thread and its pretty frequent that scum sometimes have a good vive tone-wise for 1 day, then just mess up when its a new day (been there, done that). Plus, his tone and the words he uses, idk. Im a tone reader, tone says mefia to me today. Content says mefia too

[CloudKicker]

my pool so far into the day is primate/a50/FTC, then an offset of MariaR depending on what she does today, Raut and Kidam depending of content

[CloudKicker]

Also conf fucking biasing simple minded players, you thought i was mafia regardless of the flip so why do you even give a shit about this game? @gamma @sakura

I don't like your action around the hammer rn

Are you just talking about the vote turn or general behaviour because the vote turn was townie imho. Scum wouldn't have done something so obviously attention grabbing (unless they really need serum but that could be the case either alignment).

Actually nvm about the d2 'not saying anything content related about his read on me', he actually did. I still feels like im being defended by someone who knows my alignement and points out the flaws on wrong reads on me rather than someone reading me

[CloudKicker]

Also,

1944 shows a scum pov when he sais what scum would do or wouldnt do, his first arguement is from a scum pov because its obvious to him since hes mafia

[CloudKicker]

I just find it odd that you’re so latched onto Primate for being coasty/opportunistic when people like

Fred the Cat, Almost50

, Chemist, Penguin,

MariaR

, And

Raur

all meet that criteria in my opinion.

my pool so far into the day is

primate/a50/FTC

, then an offset of

MariaR

depending on what she does today,

Raut

and Kidam depending of content

I guess I am 5/7, its pretty consistent don't you think ? Also I townread both Penguin and Chemist, which is not the case of the other slots mentionned

[CloudKicker]

@Sakura, is your thingy arch related?

[CloudKicker]

Oversoul couldn't do anything since he had 0 serum @dun

[CloudKicker]

@Sakura, is your thingy arch related?

probably not, but idk what "arch" thing is.

Project Arch in flavor is the Simotech project creating the serum. Which brings up the question, why did you phrase it that way CloudKicker?

Exactly so you wouldnt understand and no one would besides sakura. Why would you ask me about a post worded in a way that i obviously dont want to share?

[CloudKicker]

Because I would expect that Simotech's abilities would heavily refer to it being Arch, we haven't had any discussion about Arch itself until now.

Serum is related to Simotech, the sample role/uwnd/CC can use serum and are confirmed town slots, im not sure the way you interrogated me was warranted, implying my question was admitting to be scum indicative

[CloudKicker]

Oh i see what CK was going for.

Since im heavily lost on flavor he wanted to confirm that idk anything related to scum flavor?

Do you understand now that I consider you basically mechanically clear + I said you were town as a dying read if I died as I believed I was getting vigged by CC?

If so, then lets not talk about it anymore, you can read more into it if you want but don't share your thoughts

[CloudKicker]

I mean i hadn't noticed that the role unwnd mentioned was the sample role pm until it was pointed out.
I just thought he had a stronger version of the role i had and thought he was lying.
Hence my:

he's lying anyway.

When i noticed we were the same I started getting cold feet:

RC im having doubts help.

But he said it's the same as the sample role pm ._.

I'm not sure how likely scum would be to fall for that, versus how likely town would be able to come up with a test like that without knowing it's scum indicative. In other words CloudKicker, why would you use a test that isn't guaranteed, or how would you know the test is valid without being scum yourself?

Your premise is wrong, its not a test since i already know sakura's alignement

[CloudKicker]

I keep fucking quoting every last post and its annoying af

[CloudKicker]

Jesus sakura, do you need me to draw you a flow chart?

[CloudKicker]

Jesus sakura, do you need me to draw you a flow chart?

I'm very slow ok?

I told you 2-3 times to stop talking about it and you claim ???

[CloudKicker]

Jesus sakura, do you need me to draw you a flow chart?

I'm very slow ok?

I told you 2-3 times to stop talking about it and you claim ???

But i claimed at the end of D1 ._.

No one saw and i ignored some of your posts to not draw attention to it, so just stop

[CloudKicker]

@dun do you have any reason to believe you have been visited at night?

[CloudKicker]

Yes its not bad to assume that maybe scum gets serum for MLs

I just need to determine if what happened to me is

reflexive

or if it is targeted.

Are you saying you targeted me?

Oversoul couldn't do anything since he had 0 serum @dun

Interesting progression

He had no serum until proven otherwise, i double checked the mechanic post and its not stated that all roles uses serum, but i assume so.
Also after outing that post, i thought about the balancing of giving serum to scum regardless of the lynch and i am meh about it

Can you answer about my visiting question

[CloudKicker]

Granted I also have reasons to believe I was probably targeted by a scum ability.
And I also have reasons to believe I was probably targeted by RedPanda.

Why RP ? i dont understand how you could know that

[CloudKicker]

Granted I also have reasons to believe I was probably targeted by a scum ability.
And I also have reasons to believe I was probably targeted by RedPanda.

Why RP ? i dont understand how you could know that

The most likely candidate due to his play D1.

I can say this much for now tho.
I was hit by an effect that can only hit people that are employed.

Because he went on about corporations? Also like i said, im thinking unemployed is SK and is ascetic

[CloudKicker]

I will be honest and im pretty certain you are misguided about RP other than you have specific mod info that might tells otherwise, being a corporation target doesnt incriminates a single slot at all regardless on what he said in game.

If anything, scum with a corporations dependant ability would be very subtle about the issue if you could notice from being targeted.
Also, RP was not on the wagon irrc, so search elsewhere imo

[CloudKicker]

Because he went on about corporations?

Yeah and this:

Welcome

I hope we all can have a meeting some time

You sound like you're employed. I like you.

Employed list Bum list
Sakura hana
Fred the cat

He didnt care which corp, just whether someone was employed or not.

man sakura lmao, i know RP softed PR pretty fucking hard, hence why i said to back off, i think hes town but he mightve fosed you regardless

[CloudKicker]

I was not ascetized. I was done even more dirty

Also i have reason to believe d'un couldnt have targeted you, im outing that before you claim

[CloudKicker]

He probably lost job ahaha

[CloudKicker]

@dun do you have any reason to believe you have been visited at night?

@Dun ; dw im town, so assume im asking for a good reason

[CloudKicker]

Testing...successful targets corrected. Upgrades required for futher testing.
VOTE: CK

Psa: just because something bad happened to you at night, doesn't mean it was done by mafia

I don't think anyone would want to target me with something harmful, do you?

RP said he tred you in the following posts of the employed list, i dont think he did you anything harmful

[CloudKicker]

Reaction test over. Results...positive. Moving on to real lynch target
VOTE: Primate

How come you sr me when im voting your d1 sr, also you are very annoying to play with this game and im disappointed

[CloudKicker]

still 1/2 cloudkicker/fred the cat, highly leaning towards cloudkicker
gamma emerald might not be scum at all but meh

Fuck off am I.

what does this mean

Fred isn’t scum

Gamma isn’t scum

Could you explain those reads?

[CloudKicker]

I am Lucy Wngard with the GenX company. My original role was a Serum Vendor. It did not require serum to activate and it did not have a serum uptake. I could target 1 person per night and give them 1 serum. Additionally, I was informed that Simotech knew of my role's existence.

N1, I chose to give 1 serum to Dunn because he was my strongest townread from my quick read of the game. I do not know if my ability was successful.

NOW drum roll ladies and gentlemen!! I am now no longer a serum vendor. Instead I am a miller and will show up as if I was aligned with Simotech (Simotech was read in the pm so I am assuming scum). I do not have any active abilities. I do not have any BP abilities. I am now just a fucking miller.

That's why I wanted to know if Dunn's thing was reflexive. I don't understand why the fuck would I be targeted would I be targeted with this ability when I just replaced in. I don't really know anyone in this game and looking through Vifam's iso it wasn't like he crumbed or anything.

Because of the strength of this ability I think the person who did this to me is on the wagon. This is where I want to hunt. Sakura, Cloud, and Dunnstral are my only townreads on that wagon. We need to purge it with fire. Of the people on that wagon, I think Almost is the most likely to be scum.

VOTE: Almost50

I agree with most of what you said

Do you still have a corporation or are you now unemployed?

[CloudKicker]

I am still employed by the GenX. The flavor seems to be that I have been blackballed by the other corporations because of optics related to Simotech

blackballed?

other corporation

S

?

optics?

so many questions

[CloudKicker]

Reaction test over. Results...positive. Moving on to real lynch target
VOTE: Primate

How come you sr me when im voting your d1 sr, also you are very annoying to play with this game and im disappointed

I do not scumread you user 1 I am just testing a theory due to recent events. The vote will be moved in time. As for your disappointment feel free to file a complaint to my admin.

Btw i feel like its the first time i have ever found crumbs from people, and i feel like i saw everyone single one of them, i read so many things wrong

[CloudKicker]

Again formatting issue, i keep quoting everything with this browswer

[CloudKicker]

I wasn't told that I got serum, do you know if the target is supposed to be notified?

Try to ask mod how many serum you have

[CloudKicker]

Can i file a request for a more MariaR-style posting pattern instead of this robotic one.

You may if your request reaches 5 supporters the new style will be put into place.

+1

Did you lose everything or just the corporation?

[CloudKicker]

If there would be an ability to turn someone's alignement and they wouldnt know, i dont think it would work as a role @ sakura

[CloudKicker]

Can i file a request for a more MariaR-style posting pattern instead of this robotic one.

You may if your request reaches 5 supporters the new style will be put into place.

I myself see very little different in this and your normal speech patterns

I for one am of the understanding that I may change my tone at will, but if people would like a new style to help read me I do not mind.

What do you think of dun ?
What of you think of detective?

What do you think of fred the cat?

[CloudKicker]

If there would be an ability to turn someone's alignement and they wouldnt know, i dont think it would work as a role @ sakura

No, it means there probably ARE abilities that could do that.
Or maybe im just being paranoid.

Now someone with an ability to eject a player from their company? i still think Red Panda caused this.

But he said he townread you and he wasnt on wagon.. don't you think its a bit far fetched to think he would unemploy someone he trs?

[CloudKicker]

Granted, Now that i recall, why would the mod specifically tell me that my alignment didnt change.
That's interesting.

Btw i misread that but im pretty sure you shouldve worded it differently but w/e

[CloudKicker]

But even if what happened to me wasnt done by Red Panda, the one who was actually fishing for employed people, let it be a warning to not let this kind of info out.

If you notice, its pretty much obvious that most of the table is employed. IMO he was crumbing his actions/role more than fishing anything

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE:
For now

what do you think of those slots?

Bambi Jay
a50
primate
WhemeStar
Rautherdir

[CloudKicker]

Bambi Jay
a50
primate
WhemeStar
Rautherdir

NFI
NFI
Probs scum
Scum
Trusting RC that this is probs town.

NFI?

[CloudKicker]

NFI = No Fucking Idea

Btw i already know ure town, but i imagine mod would not need to tell scum that they alignement arent changed since they would still participate in scum chat
+
If that ability came from town and could target scum, i also dont feel like mod would make a role where he feels obligated to specify that the alignement is unchanged..
+
If the game was multiball, i also doubt that the mod would feel obligated to tell you because it would imply a change of alignement more than just "losing one's corporation" aka would imply that you might be confused otherwise. This wouldnt make sens if there was already 3 alignements in play, since being converted would be more specific than losing corporation..
+
Im thinking that there is scum or an anti-town role in "outcast" because again, he told you that because otherwise you might be confused if one players flipd anti-town as outcast.
....

So im saying that theres a 3rd p in outcast, my guess is bambi imo, hes playing like a lone survivor/sk to me

Those assumptions can be flawed/wrong but im going with what i have

[CloudKicker]

RC mightve RB a kill too, but i doubt that very much

[CloudKicker]

man i want to flip bambi fucking hard

[CloudKicker]

why werent you voting when I was voting them and made my "case"? You said nothing about the content discrediting primate, yet now you want to make it sound like he was your fos all along

[CloudKicker]

IMO bambi is hard to scumread because he lacks any agenda.. which is why im pretty convinced hes anti town 3p or at least 3p. This vote was the most transparent attempt to grab serum since the start of the game

[CloudKicker]

I am still employed by the GenX. The flavor seems to be that I have been blackballed by the other corporations because of optics related to Simotech

Can you go in more depth on this?

[CloudKicker]

I like the letter O

It's pretty!
~Z

Could i ask what was your corporation or do you prefer to not tell? I have been reading the flavor pretty hard and im have some theories, the more info i have the better

[CloudKicker]

I like the letter O

It's pretty!
~Z

Could i ask what was your corporation or do you prefer to not tell? I have been reading the flavor pretty hard and im have some theories, the more info i have the better

It was Wsomething Research Instutute? something like that, i cant never remember these names.

BTW that was what i was expecting, im pretty glad about that

[CloudKicker]

I'll tell you right now my role mentions another faction and I assumed it was Aeon from the prologue.

Can you go in more details pls

[CloudKicker]

He claimed Miller D1, do you have information that he has MORE NU aspects of his role aside from that?

Potentially. I know someone in this game has a very powerful role and based off what has happened to me, I think it might be Dunn.

Something happened to me too.
And I believe RP is most likely the cause.

I did nothing to your slot. I gave something to fred last night and yes this is information I'd like town to have.

Gave? Can you claim as much as you are comfortable

[CloudKicker]

I have reasons to believe Aeon are as much town than any other corporations.
@RP do you know if you were succesfull?

[CloudKicker]

It would be weird if Aeon is an alignment since they are also a conpany

Would not work, im pretty sure theres only 2 alignement tbh, the only thing that points otherwise is RP

[CloudKicker]

Interesting. FWIW, my theory re: OS and Sakura was completely wrong, so that's

fun

. Also my vote on GE didn't go through, which should confirm to everyone at the very least that I a) have no serum, having not been on the lynch wagon, and b) had no way of gaining serum through additional sketchy means. Draw whatever conclusions from that you will.
So, now we just gotta work out what the frak is going on with our Milleriser or whatever the fuck Dunn is (why you would claim Miller but not the rest of your bullshit is beyond me, unless you're claiming it for convenience) and why they're not being open & honest w/us... oh and [redacted] is a fun little private puzzle I get to work out.

unvote

since it doesn't do anything anyway.

Did you use an ability with 0 serum cost and an upkeep? Or did someone target you which made you addicted to the serum and thus, lose your vote since no serum?

[CloudKicker]

Interesting. FWIW, my theory re: OS and Sakura was completely wrong, so that's

fun

. Also my vote on GE didn't go through, which should confirm to everyone at the very least that I a) have no serum, having not been on the lynch wagon, and b) had no way of gaining serum through additional sketchy means. Draw whatever conclusions from that you will.
So, now we just gotta work out what the frak is going on with our Milleriser or whatever the fuck Dunn is (why you would claim Miller but not the rest of your bullshit is beyond me, unless you're claiming it for convenience) and why they're not being open & honest w/us... oh and [redacted] is a fun little private puzzle I get to work out.

unvote

since it doesn't do anything anyway.

Did you use an ability with 0 serum cost and an upkeep? Or did someone target you which made you addicted to the serum and thus, lose your vote since no serum?

Neither.

Did you start the game with an upkeep?

[CloudKicker]

Point A: CC roleblock target

Considering that the Oversoul reflexive thingy is sorted, I will out what I hinted at:

I am pretty convinced that CC did

roleblock

dunn last night.

Spoiler: CC's soft

I do believe he's actually hammered so I'm going to go do other things.

ohhhhh

that explains it

unwnd isn't hammered and i'm pretty sure he knows that.

that's why he queried about being at l-2 or l-1.

actually nevermind he's actually hammered

ok


my work here is

dunn

IMO his 1879/1883 are fake and was only meant to drop the soft, he also deflected my post when I pointed out the soft which means he didn't want to draw attention to it.

That being said..I am not sure why he would've roleblocked dunn since he openly townread them most of the day irrc. But if we moon logic a bit, Dunn was basically the most townread player on the table, so maybe he mightve assumed that scum would pick them to make the kill since town investigative would not be on them ? Maybe im just wrong but IMO the soft is pretty clear.

Also maybe dunn is mefia and tried to make a kill by was rbd

Point B: Is dunn hidden reflexive?

At the start of the day, that is why i asked dunn if he had any reason to believe he was visited that night, because if he used an ability then I would assume he might've noticed he was being Roleblocked. Here is why I don't think dunn had anything to do with the miller conversion:

I realized that even tho the game has bastard elements, the mod obviously designed the game with real roles in mind, so IMO the serum vendor could have the same NAR order as the fruit vendor and CC had drunk flavour, like common town RB

So I digged on the wiki and found:

Silver Goo: Whenever another player targets you with an action, you become a perfect copy of that player

but, im not sure what is the order of NAR if it were to be RBd.. maybe CC would've flipped as dunn's role if the goo is resolved first or maybe reflexive stuff are just not roleblockable. I think i read somewhere that you only targeted actions are RBable. Fruit vendor NAR is later than rb, so CC would've been affected by the reflexive stuff Oversoul and dunn would've received the serum.

Point C: Oversoul conversion

Spoiler: What I was thinking about, I am putting this here for though process purposes

Oversoul might be a

weak role self-convert..

>He said that simotech knew of his existence, maybe it was a hint that using his ability could backfire if he was "caught selling serum''.
>Maybe his role is a weak vendor and he convert himself to a miller once he try to sell serum to

a)

Simotech

: since they would "find him" and "bully him out of the business" like mafia would with their drugs business
or
b)

Rebels

: Simotech would stop his business since he would be giving serum to non-Simotech.
He mentioned "optics" so maybe it hint that he was being observed by Simotech from far away since they knew of their existence but let him sell serum if it was to other Simotech ppl.

^EDIT: While thinking about it, I realized that this is not possible, since once he realize that the nights he wasn't converted meant he was on scum, this would be too powerful..

Possibility 1: Oversoul self-convert if he visits another corporation than his

He mentioned that "other corporations" blackballed him, this could also mean that maybe he got caught by selling to other corporations.. but why wouldnt they just fire him if he was selling to another corporations ? IMO he got converted from Simotech and not the other corporations.. maybe it hint that simotech is inside more than 1 corporation (obv).

Possibility 2:

Or he turns miller by selling to rebels and would die if he tried to sell to Simotech? who knows but its fun to think about it

Possibility 3:

Oversoul was targeted by an ability that turned him into a miller. This would not explain the specific flavour or his role like a miller self-convert getting caught does. Also I am not sure about the AI implication of multiple millers in game, I am not sure mafia would make up that claim since its pretty far fetched (even if great flavor-wise).

I am not sure either about in the case of a weak self-convert role, Oversoul targeting a miller would trigger the real alignement reaction or the "miller guilty" reaction, shrug

Point D: Sakura's unemployment

She got fired and claim to not have used any abilities that night, so she was very obviously targeted. By who? Was it from someone in her own corporation or was it an outcast recruiter type of thing?

Point E: Other considerations

>I believe there is several slots who are outcasts. The fact that Sakura received a message to confirm that her alignement was not changed, IMO implies that there is a world where Sakuara could think otherwise
>This might point to multiball, RP points to multiball, the mod's flavor post kinda points to multiball, also there is probably an anti-town aligned role that is an outcast
>I believe that there is 3+ PTs going on
> There seems to be a balance of roles in each corporations, somehow
> Flavor of Institua & no claim as of yet, makes me believe there is something going on there

[CloudKicker]

So Cloud ignored me bringing up Silver Goo in particular. Sad times. Just when I wanted to help the townies too.

Any other clues or shiz, Cloud?

tbh i know you were talking about goo and it's why i looked at the wiki, i didn't recall silver in particular

I have other infos im not outing because its not t motivated to do do so

Are you third party bambi?

[CloudKicker]

So Cloud ignored me bringing up Silver Goo in particular. Sad times. Just when I wanted to help the townies too.

Any other clues or shiz, Cloud?

Are you third party bambi?

Will you murder me if I say yes?

Probably not but its more likely i lynch you today if you dont

[CloudKicker]

Interesting. FWIW, my theory re: OS and Sakura was completely wrong, so that's

fun

. Also my vote on GE didn't go through, which should confirm to everyone at the very least that I a) have no serum, having not been on the lynch wagon, and b) had no way of gaining serum through additional sketchy means. Draw whatever conclusions from that you will.
So, now we just gotta work out what the frak is going on with our Milleriser or whatever the fuck Dunn is (why you would claim Miller but not the rest of your bullshit is beyond me, unless you're claiming it for convenience) and why they're not being open & honest w/us... oh and [redacted] is a fun little private puzzle I get to work out.

unvote

since it doesn't do anything anyway.

You're looking pretty scummy right now

imo thats a town post, what did you find scummy about it ?

[CloudKicker]

Scum are likely to make a big show of not having a vote to look town and also the milleriser bit doesn't seem genuine, like he doesn't seem to think I'm scum and lying but rather that I'm town and lying for some reason

I disagree with you whole post and last part is maybe cause ure obv town?

What do you look for in pushing PP, you say he needs serum but imo its basically role madness and I have already half the table marked as serum user in some capacity, im not sure what you are after

[CloudKicker]

this is a role that needs serum to function

I didn't say he needed serum specifically

To be fair, i used the same words you used, w/e you meant by that.

What about the flavour I went on about in oversoul's claim?
Like, if you believe him then you should maybe think about the implication of his role more than just "hurr durr, bad ability, must be from serum"

What do you think of primate?

[CloudKicker]

V/LA from now until Sunday evening. Family funeral.

My condolences

[CloudKicker]

About being V/LA, I have a road trip w/ friends, starting tomorrow up to the 9th. I will probably be available from time to time but not as much

[CloudKicker]

Actually.
Do we really think that a scum ability would necessarily require serum if it's strong?
Coz that'd make it easy to find scum if it's just hunting inside a wagon.

I said that earlier, also maybe it could be free but has an upkeep aka would make it way too obvious if they lost their vote the next day (kidam style)

Free 1xShot miller converter + upkeep seems balanced

@Bambi:

I see you, I am not sure what you are doing. Are you related to Thalia?

[CloudKicker]

I somehow feel the mod wouldn't make it that easy, but it's good to keep track of how much serum people have.
Now, if OS's serum didnt even reach Dunn it means 2 things:
1) OS is lying about the whole thing, ergo, he's scum.
2) OS millerization also roleblocked him, which means, it wasn't a reflexive action (If he's roleblocked then he cant trigger a reflexive action).

@Bambi:

I see you, I am not sure what you are doing. Are you related to Thalia?

Who is that?

I don't understand why you are crumbing from your pov, I don't see how it helps town

[CloudKicker]

I somehow feel the mod wouldn't make it that easy, but it's good to keep track of how much serum people have.
Now, if OS's serum didnt even reach Dunn it means 2 things:
1) OS is lying about the whole thing, ergo, he's scum.
2) OS millerization also roleblocked him, which means, it wasn't a reflexive action (If he's roleblocked then he cant trigger a reflexive action).

@Bambi:

I see you, I am not sure what you are doing. Are you related to Thalia?

Who is that?

I don't understand why you are crumbing from your pov, I don't see how it helps town

Wait... I crumbed?

Nvm then

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Primate

Do you think dunn and kid share the same corporation?

[CloudKicker]

Or do you have info/reads that says otherwise ?

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Primate

Do you think dunn and kid share the same corporation?

Do you mean alignment?

What about both

[CloudKicker]

Im curious about your opinion, I havent heard you that much as of yet

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Primate

Do you think dunn and kid share the same corporation?

Do you mean alignment?

What about both

My data is showing that corporation isn't a overall factor or need of investigation. Alignment is possible 40% chance...

Im curious about your opinion, I havent heard you that much as of yet

You may file a question to my admin and they'll get back to you as soon as possible.

What do you think of FTC?

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Primate

Do you think dunn and kid share the same corporation?

Do you mean alignment?

What about both

My data is showing that corporation isn't a overall factor or need of investigation. Alignment is possible 40% chance...

Im curious about your opinion, I havent heard you that much as of yet

You may file a question to my admin and they'll get back to you as soon as possible.

What do you think of FTC?

The slot should be terminated although I would prefer it be by other methods than deleting them like we did with und.

Why not via a day lynch?

[CloudKicker]

In case its a miss? I mean if you really sr them then you should want a lynch, I am assuming a scum kill via night doesnt yield any serum for town

[CloudKicker]

Really? On the whole table I wouldve believe you would have the more mature read on his slot

[CloudKicker]

and why would you think that?

Just read his 10 posts iso

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Primate

Do you think dunn and kid share the same corporation?

Kind of a random question huh?

Did you ask me why I asked? No
Then why do you assume it’s random? Thats what I thought
Also before you ask I am not going to answer to that for now

[CloudKicker]

Then why do you assume it’s random? Thats what I thought

Because you were roleblocked and so wouldn't have any kind of info, actually

Ini you were and I can have infos in other ways

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE: for now

[CloudKicker]

Looks like the apathy's hitting this town hard with RC gone.

The game was half dead before CC even started posting, 2 replacements 2 incoming, I have 30% of the post count and am VLA

Don’t attribute to apathy what you can attribute to malice

I disliked the a50 slot and he might be a dirty mefia, but the flips from primate is misguided as of yet. Dunn/mariar/a50 needs to be pumping more content to help advance the game

[CloudKicker]

RP why don’t tou talk about your hidden info, it could help the game

[CloudKicker]

What we really need is for a few slots to read the game and actually make content (PP, Chemist, FTC slot etc)

Sakura what do you think of primates’ last post?

[CloudKicker]

Rcs slot has been textbook scum since replacement, am at 101

[CloudKicker]

But Rcs themself seemed really townie to me

I know, I am either misreading a good RCS scum game or a scummy town

[CloudKicker]

Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push

[CloudKicker]

problem with that CK is that pisskop isnt t.

If he isnt he has a very great tone as mefia

Also about my confirmation to you, I am not technically mechanically clear in any way whatsoever. My point was that we shared the very same thought process, the same manner with the same info, imo it makes it obvious that my pov was a very genuine one and should be very easy to consider obv town

[CloudKicker]

Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push

Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.

I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured

I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.

The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.

I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.

If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.

IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.

[CloudKicker]

CK essentially if you're town I think you suck at reading me so at the very least so I hope you stop actively trying to do it?

it's annoying.

My scum game isn't "textbook" anyway.

If I am town? who are you trying to convince
You think cheap wal-mart ate will make me change my early read?

You make it seems like you are annoyed but your choice of words seems very calculated to me and you dont convey any emotions IMO

Be town by being town, until then snapping back at me won’t ger you far

[CloudKicker]

I mean you said

Speaking of considerations Sakura, you should be the single slot who should townread me the most because

we are almost mechanically cleared to each other

, but you are so blind that i need to state that for you

Well I did push it a bit, it’s not technically true but it is if you use Occam razor’s and townread me the slightest. I was being fosed by you and I was pretty upset so you can see it’s a lie. Also I wanted to stay vague about the reasons of “me being town from your pov” so only you would understand

I an telling you this because I don’t want you flipping on me for this later in the game when it is time to go open information

[CloudKicker]

Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push

Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.

I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured

I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.

The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.

I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.

If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.

IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.

Stop being obnoxious and throwing words like "obvious" easily. There is nothing "obvious" in this game. It's just a word you use arrogantly and I particularly hate it when people use it in a serious post.

Also, what part of "I'm lazy and am only skimming through the game" you didn't get?

From what I had skimmed through Sakura's ISO there was not much in heavily-AI posts aside from her interactions with RC.

Someone can post 2000 posts and still be not confidently readable. Sometimes you get a nice read on someone out of one post. I deemed Sakura slot to not have enough for me to be sure that she was town from what I had skimmed on her ISO, so I did what I did.

You're really obnoxious and the reason I've been rage quitting quite a bit out of games.

Like, you actually town read pisskpop.

What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom.

Ure obviously mad I give I tr a slot easily that you probably would’nt have townread as town, obvious

[CloudKicker]

I'm sorry CK but it's hard to TR a slot where creature flaked.

I get it, he also crumbed in a way its very hard to believe coming from s. Gamma/RC obv saw it, gamme trd him for it, RC was unsure.

I always had in the back of my mind that he could be town

[CloudKicker]

Btw I will give tanaka space but him blaming me for not catching up is bullshit, he has been there for pages and still 0 content

[CloudKicker]

Btw I will give tanaka space but him blaming me for not catching up is bullshit, he has been there for pages and still 0 content

He said im 80% town.
He also said PK is sly scum.

That's content.

Not its literraly his RVS phase, notice he voted you but didnt vote pisskop?
Why do you think sakura, is it coherent? He 100% had the intention to remove his vote on you the moment he voted you, the rxn test/justification sounds premade and just scum plan, thats my 2 cents

[CloudKicker]

Actually CK annoyed me to such a point that I'm becoming unmotivated to read the game from start.

Sakura what's you read on me right now?

Because if this is some hopeless game like Mini Colors I'm just going to stop tryharding

Convenient as fuck, isn it? Why dont you try to find my alignement via reading? What If im scum and i am antagonizing you on purpose since you replaced in a townread slot?

How is it a hopeless game when you havent read shit lmao

[CloudKicker]

Sakura. That's why I quickly got off you.

Because I know it's painful for you, so I just did it really quick and in a minimalist way to be sure that hard defending you here would be the right move to prevent disrupting.

This seems like scum trying to clone their town behavior in past games, trying to bank for a quick pocket and didnt expect to get called out

[CloudKicker]

So why did u resort to that when in my summary i told you i was apparently (and misunderstood) mechanically clear.

Btw this post is in top 3 sakura’s t post

[CloudKicker]

So why did u resort to that when in my summary i told you i was apparently (and misunderstood) mechanically clear.

CK hasn't claimed yet and I don't trust non-complete claims so easily

I didn't even trust robb straight doc claiming at all

I don't know CK historic so I can't be sure that when he says "it's a 100% clear" it's actually a 100% clear and not just a partial clear that he is "confident" about.

How would you know I haven’t claim?

[CloudKicker]

Its another game

[CloudKicker]

Uggggh who is the scum

Same

BTW tanaka, I saw the RCS soft and was one of the reason i hard trd them, I assumed possible red doc tho when you replaced in. That being said, I didn’t vote you and you had 1 vote, which made you claim, it’s pretty silly

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Tinfoil Theory: OS targeting a miller or simotech with the serum would turn him into a miller via a hidden event effectually making him a cop of some sorts.

Which is why im asking.

I explained that it wouldnt work

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I think the chemist lynch is not useful at all and I dont really agree with the wagon lynch, even if there is very likely scum in it

VOTE: primate

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I will be forming a townblock with sakura/dunn, if anyone has a problem with this then speak out

I will also be working toward a centralized post about claims and visits, in the sane kind that I have been doing in the past (once i get home and have time)

I will consider bambi as confirmed 3p until proven otherwise, i believe his claim because I read him 3p pretty fucking hard throughout the game on a level that i doubt could be sustained from a scum game, he just has no agenda but pure opportunism/survival, which I read as scum early on but its better explained by a 3p

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Also, I am considering mass claims today since somehow half the table already claimed. At this point, the info not open left is probably mote detrimental to town than scum. I am 100% tho, maybe we could wait another day or two

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I am not 100%*

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Mass claim on D2 is stupid. Forming a bloc with a miller claim is stupid. Considering anyone "confirmed" anything is equally stupid. That's stupid³

Kk

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Misguided shitlynch

VOTE: primate for enmhasis

@mariar I am obvious town for meta, content, occam razor and plain common sens. If you want info, consider me clear and solve the game outside my slot

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pisskop isn't simotech. get off his wagon.

Well unless you can debunk what i have against PK, you can bet im never getting off his wagon.

• His predecesor being a Creature Alt
  
• His predecessor playing to their scum meta
  
• Himself not playing to his self-proclaimed town meta

What is his town meta?

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I propose we lynch Oversoul and if he flips town we lynch me next. How's that?

Can you go on about your oversoul fos?

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Shit btw, I am thinking I am townreading a50

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Oh, Maria too. Come on, people. Vifam was a lurking sack. Don't let Oversoul fool you... AGAIN!

Explain dude

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I propose we lynch Oversoul and if he flips town we lynch me next. How's that?

Can you go on about your oversoul fos?

Oversoul himself is hard to catch as scum. I am basing it on my suspicions of Vifam (and a little bit on him tunneling me here)

What about your vifam read? Do you have any reasons to believe he was mefia?

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I did skim the linked game, imo he was scummy in that game and tone is different

Also, the millerized claim would be a pretty ballsy power move right out of the gate, unlikely but def possible

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A lynched miller flips town correct? Or only a shot miller flips town?

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death millers flip scum on death when in reality they arent.
Also that's bastard and is also part of moderator lies

I asked because thats how millers works on my main site; lynched miller flips goon, killed miller flips town miller

Where are your reads at sakura? I personally am very convinced that primate should flip s. If you think about it, he has been the biggest wagon since day start, he also sais that he was very annoyed about it, yet he hasn’t made a single piece of decent content/scumhunt effort since then, IMO not a slot with t pov

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I did skim the linked game, imo he was scummy in that game and tone is different

Also, the millerized claim would be a pretty ballsy power move right out of the gate, unlikely but def possible

OK. have it your way. Like they did in that game redirecting all suspicion to me, Creature and momo when we wanted to lynch scum!LUV.

The fact is I don't care much about the outcome of this game (or any other game that I replace into). They do not affect my self-proclaimed stats. Let's wait and see if Chemist & Oversoul flip red or green

I can be wrong & I have way stronger reads elsewhere, I will not support his lynch nor will I support yours. The 1vs1 you are making up is not in town’s best interest, that is even if Oversoul is scum and I am wrong.

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I did skim the linked game, imo he was scummy in that game and tone is different

Also, the millerized claim would be a pretty ballsy power move right out of the gate, unlikely but def possible

OK. have it your way. Like they did in that game redirecting all suspicion to me, Creature and momo when we wanted to lynch scum!LUV.

The fact is I don't care much about the outcome of this game (or any other game that I replace into). They do not affect my self-proclaimed stats. Let's wait and see if Chemist & Oversoul flip red or green

I can be wrong & I have way stronger reads elsewhere, I will not support his lynch nor will I support yours. The 1vs1 you are making up is not in town’s best interest, that is even if Oversoul is scum and I am wrong.

death millers flip scum on death when in reality they arent.
Also that's bastard and is also part of moderator lies

I asked because thats how millers works on my main site; lynched miller flips goon, killed miller flips town miller

Where are your reads at sakura? I personally am very convinced that primate should flip s. If you think about it, he has been the biggest wagon since day start, he also sais that he was very annoyed about it, yet he hasn’t made a single piece of decent content/scumhunt effort since then, IMO not a slot with t pov

Btw this is not 100% true, he dis make some content

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think

VOTE: ap is fine

surprised os unvoted, kind of tr it?

Whos Ap?

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CK, when you're on hit me up, I've something good to ask you when you get here, but it needs to be in real-time interaction.

I am there and will be for 30 min, on page 126

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I do realize that he is pretty quick on his feet to vote primate out of nowhere, yes.

I dont suck at the game

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Actually it seems like we've some 80% chance of either Oversoul or Cloud being scum btw.

This is who was on the unwnd's wagon:

Dunnstral 802, Bambi Jay 877, PenguinPower 1278, Fred the Cat 1319, Rautherdir 1620, Almost50 1706, Celestial Coordinates 1816, Sakura Hana 1831, Cloudkicker 1834, unwnd 1841

All of those people have been "cleared" more or less for:

Dunn and Rauth as masons.

Bambi as 3rd party.

Penguim and A50 as..."he's a wasted lynch" (PR soft)

CC died.

Sakura...is pretty towny already imo.

Therefore the unique remaining person that gained serum yesterday and apparently had the power to turn anyone into a miller was....

Cloud?

By the way my scum read on him happened before I realized this.

You obviously dont read the game do you, i have been townreading and pretty much refusing to vote uwnd until he was pretty much the confirmed lynch. My vote had no effect on the lynch choice, it only gave me serum. Guess what, i prefer to have serum than give it to someone else

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Also tanaka or w/e, you did imply my vote is a bus, do you know how a bus is correctly made poor boi?
Do you have a clue about S vs T interactions?

Primate has not even since even considered that I could be scum leaning on them, do you know why tanaka?

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Also, i have never been lynched as town and never will be, i don’t think you understand the extent i can go when i want to, even grudging weaboos like you who want to fos me out of spite ends up admitting they were biased

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@Mariar if you dare even shade my slot once again, I will consider it a scumclaim & out your crumbs + the fact that you are double ccd and are not leading on them

Me giving you space was out of courtoisie, fosing me when we have played hundreds of games and I am my very textbook town self is not going to be forgiven further

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I will consider it a scumclaim & out your crumbs + the fact that you are double ccd and are not leading on them

If you're town why not just... Do this

Like, explain

I gave and I am still giving her botd, assuming theres a good reason why she is doing her thing. If she wants to claim she can on her own, if she goes for my slot when I have done nothing but being town, I will out her slot

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@Cloud what is your epicmafia username and do you have any other accounts on mafiascum aside from this one and Joey_?

Im not sure what you expect to find in my en history, but ill play ball

CK is an alt on em, awnyy is my main. I have only joey/ck on mafiascum that matters

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Yeah, sorry. I didn't pick up on the hints about masons, I would have stopped if I'd seen them. Yeah that's a pretty unarguable claim.

Unvote

I was scum with him fork and he was fairly lurky. This game he's a bit lurky too

but he's more useful

, and if you factor in lurkiness and just assume he's a lurky player it's not particularly objectionable. A scumread would be nice, coming in and saying that you think the two biggest wagons are town is a bit like something a scum would do, but it's only two reads, he could believe it.

Note that Chemist had...really not done anything worth of being called "useful".

Primate just can't give a straight answer to it and this commentary about such a hard lurker slot comes more likely from scum than town.

If I had to guess even more, I would say that it's scum!Primate that knows Chemist is town. But not sure.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I was comparing him to his behaviour in Fork

. Compared to that game, he's more useful. At the time I made that post, he'd actually done things other than just say "I'll post later", which he didn't in the length of that other game, bar one post (admittedly a very short game timewise, but he was actually commenting on stuff naturally in the first couple of days of this game) . I probably held on to that read too long after that after his behaviour actually dropped off properly and started to look more similar. I think he probably shouldn't be playing mafia if this is normal activity, but if he is, my view is that you need actually try and make a good faith attempt to read what is there instead of just doing lurk=scum if meta doesn't support that. If they hadn't been replaced I was intending to do a read of Chemist and Creature to see if their actual meta held up with what people were claiming for them, but they've both been replaced, thank god.

Primate has not even since even considered that I could be scum leaning on them, do you know why tanaka?

Beside the point, but of course I've considered it. It's just like, you were the main defender for someone I had doubts about the lynch of D1. I expressed possible annoyance at being speedlynched causing a wasted day at the beginning of the day and you stepped back, you've shown a good attempt to analyse the night actions and remove ambiguity. I know I'm not a great player and it's not weird to me that you think I'm scum. I said earlier that I'm fairly easy to read, but that was more just something I said back in the day and I haven't played properly in like 6 years. It's a bit frustrating that you've tunneled me without really stating any reason why in a form that I can try and rebut, but it's not something I consider inherently anti-town. And largely you seem to also have my reads, unless I'm projecting that. I just don't see anything much to find fault with other than your read on me.

On one way, I strongly scumread you out of PoE and individual content, I dont really think there is any world where you dont flip scum.

That being said, I am thinking that if youre town, I am reading the game upside-down and then its going to go downhill from your flip. I will take the appeal and reconsider my position when i will have more time to read

UNVOTE:

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I have been on a computer for the past 10 days (am playing on cellphone data) so it’s not the most fun experience for me to read and produce content.

I somewhat satisfied with the wheme wagon VOTE: whyme