Mini Normal 2095 - Game Over!

[Klick]

You had a reason to then - it was the option that was remaining with me being town. You had no reason to at the start of today, when you had stated from the start of the game that he was town.

[Klick]

Do you not get lynched immediately after gobble, particularly with me getting killed?

[Klick]

I think I want to hear gobble's thoughts given what all has happened over the weekend.

[Klick]

You still around?

[Klick]

I'm getting the impression gobble might be stubborn and continue to push me. Could you vote gobble, let me not hammer, then put your vote back on LUV?

[Klick]

Just for a moment, so I'm fully clear.

[Klick]

Gobble can't come in here and try to claim I'm scum if I don't hammer him.

With the stubbornness he used earlier in pushing me despite the mail claim, I don't trust that he'll think I'm town without this.

[Klick]

Because if the team is gobble/[you that's a losing play.

I'm not completely sold on you being town.

[Klick]

I don't really feel like coming in here tomorrow when gobble's back from V/LA and seeing him still pushing something like Klick/LUV.

[Klick]

Basically I want to limit gobble's options. I want to see what he pushes when he absolutely cannot push me.

[Klick]

Hypothetical: gobble comes in tomorrow and decides to vote me to create a 1v1 because he's SURE I'm scum. Scumteam Luca/LUV sweep in for the hammer.

Thats the sort of situation I'm trying to play around.

[Klick]

It's fine, I have to leave now. If we do this, we'll do it later.

[Klick]

Okay I'm here.

[Klick]

Not hammering.

[Klick]

Going now. Wheeee confirmed town!

[Klick]

Tchill, if you're sure enough that Luca's scum that you aren't answering his (completely valid) questions anymore, then you should vote him and eliminate the possibility of LUV/gobble for me. Otherwise you're just being stubborn to the detriment of finding the truth. I'd also like to know when you got your track result (staying within the confines of the rules, of course) - and it'd have been much more airtight if you had answered it when Luca asked, instead of hours afterwards when you've had time to think of a plausible fake.

And frankly, the same goes to you Luca. If you think I'm terribly off-base in considering the possibility of gobble/LUV (which seems to be the case), then you should vote Tchill instead and limit my possibilities from 3 to 2. I asked you for this earlier and you sort of just sidestepped it.

[Klick]

Thank you. Going to wait for gobble to come in and see what he does.

Luca, I know Tchill's claim is ridiculous. But you seemed to buy into it yourself to some degree (you were seriously considering me/gobble as a team) until you saw that I got Icon's mail. Surely you can see that it isn't immediately obvious that Tchill is lying without some amount of confirmation bias?

Going to be reading back for some time. This is beginning to feel solvable, but as of right now I'm rather torn.

[Klick]

Kop (3) [L-1] - Almost50, Iconeum, Datisi, Billy Pilgrim
Datisi (3) [L-2] - Tchill13, Emperor flippyNips, Luca Blight
Emperor flippyNips (1) - Kop
Tchill13 (1) - Klick

I think at around this formation is where I want to say that there is 1 scum on each wagon.

Well played Alisae lol

[Klick]

Oh but then you go on to say the Datisi wagon screams 2 scum to you. Hmm. Might be worth checking Tchill/Luca's interactions with the Datisi wagon again anyway just to see if I find anything new and interesting.

[Klick]

I'm having trouble coming around to scum!Icon in this interaction. That said, I feel like this wagon built up pretty quickly. Datisi, if you're town, do you think scum is on or off the wagon?

This isn't great.

[Klick]

I'm rereading and commenting as I go

[Klick]

And allow me to point out (@Ali) that I think you probably misread 618. I didn't get the feeling he was mad at ou challenging his authority at all. Read it again, if you will.

Well, at least I still got a good eye for crumbs.

o i see it

Part of me feels like Alisae left the crumb because he wanted to use it to read A50 as town if he lived? Especially considering this post came before the crumb.

[Klick]

Icon please vote LUV. For the luv of all that is good... Hehe.

No seriously. We need a flip. Luv is a better lynch than datisi. Idc what gobble's reasons for voting luv is.

This is a good post.

Chemist seems to not want us to talk timestamps? I don't see that as a super strong selling point anyway.

[Klick]

But I got my PMs for the result and for Day 3 starting very, very close to each other, time-wise.

[Klick]

Gobble, you were at L-1 and I didn't hammer you.

[Klick]

Which one do you think you might be wrong about?

[Klick]

So the theory is that Tchill came into today and claimed a guilty on his partner?

[Klick]

If you're town, I believe the only scumteam worth considering at all is Luca/LUV. Tchill/LUV and Tchill/Luca are both unrealistic.

[Klick]

Elaborate?

[Klick]

Can you point to a Normally-balanced Micro with three PRs?

There can't be a Mafia Roleblocker because both Icon and Tchill successfully did their actions last night.

[Klick]

I did my own unbiased investigation into this. I probably didn't find everything modern, but regardless of the team, this is a fairly strange setup. There are arguments against both setups - if Tchill/gobble are telling the truth, it would be odd in that there are three PRs, two of which are investigative and one of which is rather powerful (though I'd argue that gobble's role is basically a non-factor). If there's just a Loyal Mailman, that's not really seen in modern games either, and it has a level of swing that I'd think callforjudgement would avoid. The problem is that Cop-equivalents aren't really seen much in Micros.

All in all, I'd give a slight edge to there just being the Loyal Mailman. I don't think the NRG looks at the setup with two investigatives and goes 'hmm, we need to add a N3 Bodyguard'.

[Klick]

I also think with the type of player gobble is, he'd totally have this claim ready for the first time he rolled scum.

[Klick]

LUV, can I ask why you haven't voted yet? You know Tchill is scum.

[Klick]

And gobble, can you talk to me about your reservations about a Luca/LUV scumteam? In my mind, that's the only team that makes any sense if you're town.

[Klick]

LUV, what is your theory on why Tchill/A50 decide to kill Alisae N1 over Claimed-Cop-Icon? Talk me through it - you know that's the scumteam, but I don't, so I need something that makes sense.

Gobble, do you still have the activity stats you made earlier in the game? Could you post them for Luca, A50 and Tchill?

[Klick]

I'd like to spend a bit of time just interacting with gobble and LUV. I have more than enough from Tchill and Luca - I don't think anything either of you could say could influence me one way or another at this point, unless you have some particularly damming evidence.

[Klick]

...really phone, correcting 'damning' to 'damming'?

[Klick]

If anyone has evidence that someone in this game is a beaver, I'm all ears.

[Klick]

Gobble, I suspect your activity in this game has a very negative trendline.

[Klick]

Hmm. You get reads pretty similarly to me, LUV. Luca and Tchill seem to be taking potshots at each other from my perspective without much in the way of actual persuasive points, but you've successfully pinpointed the biggest thing that has me struggling to see Tchill as town.
The problem is that while I don't think most people would take the line of play Tchill has as town here, I regretfully think it's within his own town-range based on going through quite a few of his past games. And that's the struggle I'm having.

[Klick]

I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.

Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm

I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.

So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.

@klick

At the end of D2, I showed a fair amount of aggression towards you. I threw out Luca/LUV earlier, but my last post in D2 suggested I was leaning towards you being scum instead.

By the start of D3, you'd already gotten a read on me as someone who struggles with scumreading behavior that doesn't immediately make sense for scum to do. I spent all of D2 townreading people for that specific kind of behavior. It's not really a leap to try and create that sort of situation.

[Klick]

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[Klick]

I was imagining something like a Mafia Mailman/Rolestopper that might balance around the double-investigative.
The problem was that Tchill's play was obviously town in a lot of ways, but his claim was BS. :/

[Klick]

Anyway, sorry everyone, I played awfully. I shouldn't have put so much weight in Billy's slip, and I shouldn't have stopped momentum on A50.

Gobble/LUV, well played, you both played fairly well as a team - I didn't see a ton of synergy there. I wish you'd been more active though LUV A50's replace-out makes decent sense now I guess? He probably thought you guys were screwed.

Gobble, was I right that you basically had a claim like this ready for one of your first scum games?

[Klick]

Actually, looking back, I'm really satisfied with how well LUV played as a partner to A50/gobble. As someone with basically no sway with the town, pushing gobble D2 is good.

[Klick]

I'd play with most of you again I think.