Mini Normal 2095 - Game Over!

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:23 pm

In post 1735, Iconeum wrote:Luca, if Tchill is scum then he deliberately chose not to NK me in order to wifom the crap out of my claim. If he's scum, he knows i'm town and it's probably a PR in any case. He then has to come into D2 to push me, and he will have a lot of dirt in his ISO going the next days for pushing a mislynch on a town PR.

He could opt to kill the threat that is Ali, and wait to kill me the next day but I strongly doubt scum would actively try to mislynch me.
That comes from (frustrated) town a LOT more then scum.

FYI... And no offense to Ali... But scum that can completely fool the more famous players on site have it so well off. I tend to keep players like her in game as scum because of the fact that if she thinks I'm town... Just look at how LOUD AND DOMINANT she is. They're all like that. They won't let anyone else do anything once they have their mind made up. And if they're still in late game town gets paranoid and lynches the famous player.

Ppl like that are so useful to scum when they're wrong, but they're famous because they're not usually wrong.

It's a gamble I loooove to take. Because it's an auto win as scum if you keep them in the game and fool them.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:29 pm

In post 1741, Iconeum wrote:I mean this is a game of mafia ffs. Lies are to be expected…

A game I recently played had a town player who faked a guilty on his scumread, then got CC'd by someone who cleared that 'guilty' the same night and he was on the speedwagon to Lynchville if it wasn't for me stopping that lynch and townreading the fakeclaim. We proceeded to lynch back to back scums and win the game.

It's all about perspective and how you deal with it.

I will never never never agree with your line of thinking when it comes to that, but it's not because I haven't tried to see it from your perspective.

My favorite player here is boonskies and that dude solo gambits and lies as town like he's the one that made up that style of play lol. I've weighed the pros and cons and I just don't agree with it. It's very selfish and egotistical imo.

I'm at the point that I think you did that player a disservice. You won the game, great, but you also encouraged that type of bad play because he did it and was not reprimanded. He'll do it again. Hell probably do it 4 more times and I say at least twice it hurts town to the point of causing them a loss. You stopped it once though so next time town mislynch him after he lies he'll be blaming town because that town wasn't as good as icon was when you town read the fake claim. It's a never ending cycle and it's more harmful to town and its why town don't win like they should on this site.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:31 pm

In post 1746, Iconeum wrote:Also saying this game isn't active is a bit of a misrep. There's a few players lurking a little, but mostly everyone is playing to a decent or good/great amount.

I guess I'm a fan of hyper active games then lol.

You seem like a fine guy. I'm not calling you egotistical or selfish I'm just calling the play that btw. I'm not one to name call. Definitely not one to make enemies here. Not on purpose anyways.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:33 pm

I was as right about flippynips as I was about to be as wrong on Alisae.

I will take that one to the bank lol.

Also Ali thought you were a girl sorry.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:28 am

In terms of possible teams and likelihood:

A50/datisi
A50/Icon
A50/LUV
A50/klick

LUV/Klick
LUV/datisi

Klick/datisi
Luca/icon

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:31 am

In post 1607, Klick wrote:I've been unexpectedly stuck at my in-laws for 8 days and am getting the weekend as a break before going back there for an even longer amount of time. This weekend should be good for my activity. Here in a bit ill give this game a solid half-hour.

Heres where my head is currently at:

TOWN
Klick
LUV, Tchill
--- do not lynch above this line ---
Datisi
A50, Luca

Icon
SCUM

Have datisi and klick even interacted with each other yet?

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:39 am

Well I think klick has had some really good content.

Have you just decided to prioritize other things than point that out? Have you thought so little about him that the idea of scum reading him to you just isn't there?

It's always a little odd when there's little to no interaction between players.

I'd rather not rely on activity to make that OK.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:49 am

I mean you're content doesn't include klick too much but IMO klick has produced some of the best content. I'm just wondering why you've failed to comment on klick much, or even have an interaction with him.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:25 am

I'm down for that lynch as soon as everyone claims.

Can we vote to have luv replaced? Because I vote that.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:21 am

The point of 1600 was to cast everyone in a negative light. Pretty blatant that I'm fed up at that point.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:23 am

Luca and icon are lock town for me today.

I would expect scum want icon to be in lylo. If klick is scum here then I am incorrect and he's playing that angle well.

Luca's alignment has no bearing on klicks I don't believe. Klick reads Luca as town. If anything me town reading Luca makes me feel better about klick but it ultimately doesn't effect my klick read at all. They're unrelated.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:23 am

Damn it. You didn't.

Regardless, Luca has no effect on my klick tr.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:44 am

This dude just keeps coming back lol. Maybe it'll change this time.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:46 am

Gets prodded. Makes sure to state as town its hard to get into this game.

A50 and LUV both did that lol.

At this point I've made it pretty clear I'm willing to lynch A50 then luv and if they're both town then it is what it is.

Luca claims next.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:15 am

Why because I usually don't answer questions that are asked to me for good reason or is it because I almost grossly misrep something due to not paying attention?

And then get mad at other for similar things lol.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:01 pm

I'm vt

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:13 am

We lynch A50 today.

Scum probably kill in (klick/luca/me)

LUV/datisi will, still be in the game 100 percent. If not then scum are killing off a mislynch candidate in lylo, which they won't do.

And I'm pretty sure one of the vt's lied and is gonna claim something in lylo. Highly doubt all those vt claims are true.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:14 am

All you've done is complain that you don't know what's going on or complain that you can't do anything at this point.

And you went out of your way to call me someone that's mislynched early all the time and provided one game of evidence.

You decided to call someone out on that and then play like this in the same game?

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:58 am

Yep datisi has definitely progressively gotten worse.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:10 am

All I ask. Players that don't play the game at all should replace out instead of defending others. Pretty reasonable request imo.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:46 am

I don't think it's adequate to have A50 and LUV in lylo.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:18 am

You know what you're right klick. I completely forgot we know everyone's alignments and should just lynch scum. Lol I wish it were that easy.

I can't believe that you're trying to progress to a possible lylo that has A50/LUV and icon in it.

Yes if they're all town that's great. Little to no reason other than gut that you can say confidently those players are town.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:17 am

You call it lazy...

Look, both slots could be scum. You can't clear them. You call me lazy because there's no content to imply they're scum. There's no content to imply they're town either.

I'm simply making sure that if we mislynch (highly likely) that we are in the best position to lynch scum in lylo.

We eliminate someone that very easily could be mislynched (and could still be scum) and scum eliminate another mislynch opportunity with their kill.

Then we lynch scum for sure in lylo.

I don't like you trying to drag luv/a50/and icon into lylo on the foundation that it's lazy to lynch them.

Scum want all those players in lylo. Scum will not kill any of those players this night phase if given the opportunity.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:23 am

Hell yeah we should. You go first.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:24 am

I'm vt. Now you go gobble.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:26 pm

Lmao. This is great.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:01 pm

well as stated i believed one of the vt's lied at least...

I'm willing to "maybe" narrow the lynch to LUV/datisi

what's the town motivation for claiming vt when you know your'e about to be lynched? think A50 is just that spiteful?

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:25 pm

I'm not willfully ignoring. It's simply not strong enough for ME to throw caution to the wind when it comes to those slots.

there's still room for icon to be scum imo but im forced to work under the assumption that he is cleared town.

And thats a good point on ALL TOWN having to vote scum. I believe it'll be more blatant when it comes to who scum is after 1 if not 2 more townies were to die.

just because someone has seen an argument and disagrees doesn't imply they're ignoring it to push their own agenda. You're just annoyed that i don't agree with your perspective and portray that as me being ignorant or pushing my own agenda.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:25 pm

In post 1873, Luca Blight wrote:Could it really be Datisi/Tchill?

*
awaits incoming Flippy reference
*

I mean the beauty of it is Ali would be wrong about flippy AND datisi lol.

So I wouldn't be too torn up about datisi being scum here.

But I'm not scum with datisi. And I, was right on flippy (there ya go buddy lol.)

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:27 pm

In post 1882, Luca Blight wrote:Ok, fair enough, but Tchill definitely missed it as well, not that it's relevant to the point I was making anyway.

But tchill didn't miss flippy's correct alignment.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:28 pm

"hey tchill good play getting gobble to claim again and acting like we hadn't already claimed"

Oh thanks. Chill T how cool of you to say that.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:41 pm

I'm gonna be completely honest. Luca's gripes with me are completely fair and understandable. I can see the cherry picking argument from his pov. I just get tired of the guy pushing me because I've mostly felt he's town.

Icon
Luca

Klick

Datisi

A50/LUV

Has been my gut/logic reads for a while now and anything else I've pushed is born out of frustration/paranoia.

I am completely uncomfortable letting a D1 cop claim and 2 lurk slots in lylo. That goes against everything in my mafiascum bones.

That said. Datisi has THE MOST equity as far as scum play goes. She's lurked, she's let the others do most of the figuring out and she comes in from behind and pushes certain angles.

A50 and LUV pushes have been primarily due to lurking. No real game play reasons.

Now I don't ever call anyone "deepwolf" I think the term is stupid. I will say the only one in my eyes capable of playing scum WELL from the rest of the lot is klick. That said I'm not gonna let paranoia get ahold of me there.

I'm beginning to believe datisi is actually the best lynch.

What's HARD to believe is... Alisae was wrong about icon/Luca and datisi.

Town claimed cop d1 and didn't get night killed.

Datisi killed the only player protecting her instead of killing the claimed cop.

A50 was gonna let us lynch him as a PR (of course I HAVE to believe this if no other vt's were lying because we only have 2 PR'S atm)

LUV would play this way as town. Now ik, I KNOOOOW THAT YALL ARE OBSESSED WITH THAT BILLY OBV TOWN SHIT BUT LISTEN.

There is a possibility of datisi/???

And there's a possibility of LUV/Klick.

And every time I've watched someone play like luv has they almost always flip scum.

So somebody tell me why a scum team with datisi kills Ali, her protecter, instead of a claimed cop.

Give me a GREAT explanation there and I'll move off trying to lynch LUV.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:49 pm

Who all claimed vt?

Tchill
Datisi
LUV
Klick
Luca
(not counting gobble he CC'd)

So scum is definitely in datisi, luv, Klick, Luca (obv ik, but I'm thinking out loud)

Let me go back and look in order of claim. Does it even matter? Would yall give any equity to the thought that the later vt claims would be more genuine since scum would be more likely to claim VT early? Where as if they claimed late they'd have more room to fake claim? Maybe that's just a dumb idea. Asking yalls opinions.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:50 pm

Haha. Give that one up. I'll move on when I'm OK with moving on. Can't rush perfection my man.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:52 pm

In post 1320, Alisae wrote:Honestly team is probs luca/luv

In post 1329, Alisae wrote:Shoot luca or datisi flippy
Those shots will both give plenty of info

Yeah there's Ali mentioning datisi.

Hmm... Still. Ali singlehandedly kept datisi alive d1.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:54 pm

*squints eyes*

Hey Ali thought Luca was scum too... Haha Jk. Not gonna start that up again....

Unless.

No no I'm just playing lol.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:57 pm

It is VERY ODD that luv is lock town due to his predecessor.

And I don't exactly see the motivation for datisi killing the player that dismantled their wagon opposed to the claimed cop.

Now obviously Luca is fine with not even worrying about a luv/klick team.

I'd like to know what klicks read is on Luca and how sure of it he is.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:57 pm

In post 1921, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1915, Tchill13 wrote:So somebody tell me why a scum team with datisi kills Ali, her protecter, instead of a claimed cop.
First off I think there's a strong possibility scum didn't believe my claim. After all, who would be so stupid to claim cop there?

You would... Because you did.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:02 pm

Good eye catching the crumbed protective. That just might be reason enough.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:08 pm

So I believe A50 is spiteful enough to claim vt and die as a PR.

He was pretty pissed every time one of us went at him (aggressively I might add. Of course nothing is ever personal with me) and I think it would have been his way of showing us, or just me in particular, "that's why you don't always lynch low activity slots"

So I can almost cross A50 off the list. (how ridiculous my reasoning has become. Yes I'm aware)

And with that I feel better about a datisi lynch.

So everyone is kicking and screaming luv and icon are town. That means...

Luca or klick is datisi's partner from my pov.

Now before I assist in the lynch datisi. I want each to explain why the other is scum. That's what they'd have me believe correct?

They've BOTH TOLD ME, SWORN THAT ICON AND LUV ARE TOWN. both will, not hardly look at the A50 lynch today.

And while I'm Luca leans more scum on me than anything. If Luca expects me to help lynch datisi he should understand that from my POV there can only be a datisi/(Luca or klick) scum team. So I'd like to hear both sides.

Icon what do you think of this in particular?

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:08 pm

In post 1930, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1923, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 1921, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1915, Tchill13 wrote:So somebody tell me why a scum team with datisi kills Ali, her protecter, instead of a claimed cop.
First off I think there's a strong possibility scum didn't believe my claim. After all, who would be so stupid to claim cop there?
You would... Because you did.
random fun fact

did you know i was in a semi-recent game (as VT) where this town dude faked a guilty on his scumread and got CC'd by town on his target (innocent).
He was being quicklynched when it turned out it was actually a fake like you've never seen, and I stepped in and hard-townread the fake guilty.

Ended up not lynching him and got back to back scum off of that

You said that already. It was only fun the first tiiiiime.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:15 pm

Klick and Luca both believe luv and icon are town cleared. Would reassess in lylo but town cleared atm.

So I need to hear the case from klick of a datisi/luca or A50 team. Keep in mind that A50 is someone klick has been telling me to stop pushing. So I'd assume he thinks Luca is scum.

I also need to hear the case from Luca of a datisi/klick or A50 team. Now ik Luca probably thinks I'm more likely to be the partner than those 2 which is fine. It's his right. If you want me to help with the datisi lynch I'll need to hear the case. This is what will get me to drop the LUV push.

If I'm not accommodated by both players I will happily no lynch given how discombobulated we are. I don't think my demands are too crazy. The road klick and Luca would both have me go down (regarding datisi being scum, icon and LUV being town) leads to this type of end (obviously from the perspective that tchill is town) So I want the end explained to me.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:20 pm

In post 1933, Datisi wrote:Tchill, after they go, I'll need you to tell me who's your next guess if I flip Green today. Same goes for both of them actually.

In post 1936, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1931, Tchill13 wrote:So I can almost cross A50 off the list. (how ridiculous my reasoning has become. Yes I'm aware)
I don't scumread his VT claim, and I think town!A50 is capable of faking that yes.
But I definitely don't townread his reads progression on me.

Datisi I will answer you after Luca and klick answer my request.

I actually feel that it's very important for them to accommodate what I've asked. I'd be thrilled if you 2 supported me on that. If so please state that support and wait for klick and Luca to respond before continuing discussion.

I think this will help us exponentially.

Tchill13 · Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:24 pm

Good deal. Thx ppl.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:16 am

So Luca didn't really do it correctly.

My only options if I agree with Luca is an A50 or klick scum team. He hard tr's klick and then doesn't elaborate on the possibility of A50/datisi at all... Bummer.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:23 am

And klick didn't do it either.

Both players once again restated datisi is scum but I have little to no idea with who (especially considering Luca just slightly pushed me and I AM TOWN. I don't see how Luca doesn't get the point I'm trying to make)

So because of their reactions. Basically adamant refusal to push one another.

If datisi flips town then klick/luca is your scum team.

Klick/luv makes sense due to klicks hard defending.

Klick/datisi makes sense if Luca/icon/luv and gobble are town.

Klick/luca makes sense. Both players are adamant about keeping luv/A50 and icon in lylo. Neither want to push the other much at all.

It's not unrealistic for me to want to know the scum team before a lynch that could lead to lylo.

For all the (LOCK TOWN) screaming the 2 of you have done you've backed yourself into a corner of limited options when it comes to datisi's scum partner and you both refuse to push one another.

It's alarming. I don't like it.

Klick

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:25 am

For all the "setting up and cherry picking" talk Luca makes one could easily see where I become the setup to be mislynched in lylo here.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:31 am

That's fine. You're not gonna bully me into dropping LUV.

I work with you and you work with me.

It's not bullying. That's clearly the progression you'd like me to make considering I HAVE to tr certain slots on your behalf.

Datisi/luca or A50.

You can't even reasonably give me a scum team with all your lock towns, even when you actually have a good candidate as datisi scum.

This smells of shit. It's super suspicious and you're trying to discredit my whole theory which is pretty rock solid given you've Town read me for quite some time.

So who's scum with datisi klick? Is it A50 or is it Luca?

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:40 am

Luca states that datisi has been willing to lynch A50 which doesn't sit well.

So from my perspective with Luca either me or klick are scum with datisi.

Luca has pushed klick as scum noooooone.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:43 am

Both players are wanting me to hard tr ppl on little to no reason compared to what you usually tr ppl for.

Both players refuse to push the only thing that makes sense if datisi is scum and they're right about everyone else.

(and in Luca's case. I really don't understand how he expects me to work with him if he can't even begin to imagine a world where I'm town and work from that view point.)

Datisi. Can I please have your reads on Luca and klick as detailed as possible.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:46 am

In post 1968, Klick wrote:Where did I ever say you had to townread anyone on my behalf? That's a ridiculous concept.

If you think LUV is scum, convince me. You have given no evidence other than his low activity.

You have this odd view of recent events where I've strongarmed you into my point of view. How about you present your own reads instead of forcing yourself into mine?

You seem to want to lynch A50slot or LUV, not because they're scum, but because if they're town you feel they're a safe mislynch. I disagree with that and I've given the reasons I townread both of those slots.

No no no. I'm simply stating that if I were to work with you until endgame these are the principles you'd have me follow.

If luv and A50 were to be scum there's no argument I can give you you'd agree with BECAUSE OF THEIR LOW ACTIVITY. they haven't provided enough. So that's a hopeless concept in its own right and you know that.

But you refuse to push Luca even when I'm playing specifically by your rules. I'm specifically viewing alignments from your perspective and you won't push what makes sense at the end of the game or at the end of all your town reads.

It's worrisome.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:03 am

Exactly. You lean town on me, Luca and A50.

These are the only possible scum candidates if you believe that luv and icon are lock town.

So which of the first 3 are you willing to entertain the idea that you might be incorrect about?

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:04 am

"surround that in"

Dude if you want to win by lynching the scum team and you think datisi is scum then who's the other scum. That's all I'm really asking. I've just narrowed down your options using YOUR reasoning.

You can't even do it. You refuse to push anyone else.

Why are you OK with risking lylo when you have no idea who the 2nd scum is?

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:35 am

You don't have to over do. You've made my point very clear.

With all these hard tr's you have no idea who's scum with datisi and you're extremely hesitant to push Luca even though that's what make sense from your perspective.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:37 am

I need to interact with Luca in real time the same way I have with you here.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:38 am

Hopefully icon, Datisi and gobble can see the point I'm trying to make and agree with me that it's an odd situation.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:14 am

In post 1978, Datisi wrote:
In post 1969, Tchill13 wrote:Datisi. Can I please have your reads on Luca and klick as detailed as possible.
Do you want this before or after you interact with Luca?

Before is fine. I don't believe Luca will entertain this either.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:18 am

In post 1986, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1869, Tchill13 wrote:well as stated i believed one of the vt's lied at least...

I'm willing to "maybe" narrow the lynch to LUV/datisi

what's the town motivation for claiming vt when you know your'e about to be lynched? think A50 is just that spiteful?
What’s the scum motivation? Wouldn’t scum just claim a PR to incentivize town to keep them alive?

Ah the old answer a question with a question...

As you can see I asked this because I believed he was town but I needed to clear this fact up.

The scum motivation is he doesn't claim and get CC'd. Which is always the scum motivation for claiming vt.

Town motivationg because he's fed up and would like to be spiteful.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:20 am

In post 1985, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1864, gobbledygook wrote:I’m a night 3 bodyguard. If my hunch is correct we have a certain number of other weak PRs possibly gated by a specific night. I think we can create great POE pools that makes this game super easy

Iconeum goes next.
I’m sorry but I’m having trouble seeing why would a bodyguard be gated this way. Especially in a way that doesn’t force the player to be engaged and think like consecutive? Are you an elite bodyguard?

I haven't played 9 player minis b4. Last time I played it was still 13.

Is it normal for roles to have a modifier like n3. Theoretically that role may not even be used. Because after d3 lynch scum would have numbers to win. Which would mean there's no need for a n3.

I am not sure how I feel about the player number change in minis yet.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:32 am

So is the slot town because of A50 being spiteful or is it scum since it has a n3 action?

If someone claimed vt and lied about it. I advise you to full claim now.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:33 am

LUV have you followed along with my recent development on Luca and klick?

How do you feel about this?

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:08 am

Haha. Klick is pushing me to make luv associations when I've already stated there's not enough content to dictate he's scum.

I believe it'd be klick or Luca due to defense though

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:16 am

In post 1995, Klick wrote:I find it odd that you/Tchill are arguing the 'possible LyLo' angle while also arguing the 'you're super confident Datisi is scum' angle. Those two ideas don't go well together. If I lynch you and you're scum, then tomorrow isn't LyLo, is it?

I also have a life and haven't looked at things like associatives in-depth. Considering no one else has done this, I'm not sure why I'm being held to this higher standard.

Hey Tchill, who is LUV's partner and why?

From my perspective lylo is extremely possible even with a datisi lynch.

From your perspective datisi is an extremely strong scum candidate. As I have for the last 5 pages... I'm just talking from your pov and then telling you what's wrong with it from my pov.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:30 am

No they haven't, but klick believes they're town.

And with all these town reads has no idea who's your scum partner and IS CLEARLY SHOWING he's not concerned with figuring that out before your lynch.

Just figure it out later right? That's fine if we've caught datisi but she's not set in stone scum.

Maybe klick knows you'll flip town and doesn't want to create any associations before your flip.

I'm beginning to lean more and more towards klick being scum with Luca/luv/A50

Probably in that order.

And it IS because he refuses to push Luca at all even if he feels better about others being town.

Luca in turn would only discuss a tchill/datisi team. Which I was hoping he wouldn't do but it doesn't surprise me.

Luca also believes A50/LUV Is town.

It's weird that these 2 will not push each other at all.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:51 pm

Well the logic checks out.

Can't wait for you to read a little.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:22 pm

VOTE: datisi

ok lets do this.

my points have been made.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:47 pm

In post 2009, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1964, Tchill13 wrote:For all the "setting up and cherry picking" talk Luca makes one could easily see where I become the setup to be mislynched in lylo here.
This makes no sense - how am I setting you up to be '
mislynched in LYLO
' when I'm associating you as Datisi's partner, and we're lynching Datisi today?

If she flips scum, it isn't LYLO, if she flips Town, then most of what I've said goes out of the window.

datisi flips town. All of your lock trs are still alive.

tchill is still scum

you pushed flippy/tchill scum.

flippy flipped town.

I was still scum then. What makes this different?

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:22 pm

Datisi your flip clears up some shit on my end.

If you're green then klick or Luca needs to be lynched tomorrow.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:24 pm

Luca will come out pushing tchill/gobble if dstisi flips green.

Klick will probably just explode. He will mentally combust. Because he doesn't have the ability to reassess town reads. We've already established that.

And if you flip red datisi then I believe A50 will be the next target.

Regardless. I hate that you have to go. You're one of the only ppl that have worked with me through and through.

I hope it's understandable.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:03 pm

Helllllll yeah.

Luca gets to use "his perspective" but can't understand the concept when I try to work with him from my perspective lol.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:30 pm

In post 2049, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1977, Tchill13 wrote:Hopefully icon, Datisi and gobble can see the point I'm trying to make and agree with me that it's an odd situation.
why are you trying to get your scumread to work with you like this?

are you speaking of datisi specifically?

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:37 pm

In post 2057, Luca Blight wrote:UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

This is what my gut's telling me right now.

bro... i almost just blew up on you

let me do it without profanity.

OH MY LORD.... seriously? SERIOUSLY?

I break down the game from you pov and you refuse to entertain it. It HAS to be Datisi/Klick or A50 BECAUSE IK IM TOWN. YOU WILL NOT EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS HYPOTHETICAL AS A HYPOTHETICAL.

I FINALLY VOTE DATISI AND YOU VOTE ME.

YOU ARE FRUSTRATING TO DEAL WITH IN GENERAL. THIS IS CRAZY. I HAVE TRIED TO HARD TR YOU SEVERAL TIMES AND (double caps for this) EVERY TIME I MAKE ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO YOU PUSH ME MORE.

this is the most... entertaining thing ive seen in a whiile.

2 players refusing to give a full case of the scum team heading into lylo.

2 players refusing to push each other when by PoE they should somewhat be alert of one another.

Luca has refused to TRY and see me in a town light the entire game "oh I leaned town early d2" yeah whatever. I should have said i didn't know if scum had day chat or not. INSTANT INFINITE TOWN LOCK.

Damn.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:42 pm

In post 2060, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2058, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2049, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1977, Tchill13 wrote:Hopefully icon, Datisi and gobble can see the point I'm trying to make and agree with me that it's an odd situation.
why are you trying to get your scumread to work with you like this?
are you speaking of datisi specifically?
Yeah. If Tchill actually thinks Datisi is part of the mafia team, why does he post it like this? You don't try and get your scumreads to 'agree' with you on something like this.

i have to be willing to work with the masses.

TAt the time of the post i still thought lynching klick or luca was in play.

Datisi ultimately has the scummiest content. Luca and Klick refused to move off her. So eventually i decided there's a good enough chance datisi is actually scum to vote her today. IF SHE'S TOWN...then maybe we build up enough steam to finally lynch klick or luca. the 2 players that refuse to apply any pressure to the 2 lurker slots or each other.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:45 pm

In post 2063, Iconeum wrote:Tchill and Luca

2 players who are the scumteam

only names

go

Klick/A50

Luca/A50

Datisi/???

Klick/LUV

Luca/A50

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:49 pm

In post 2068, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2065, Tchill13 wrote:Datisi ultimately has the scummiest content
Did you ever actually case this scummie content?

i said she waits for interactions to happen or her name has been brought up then she comes in and comments. she's done it consistently.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:51 pm

In post 2067, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2063, Iconeum wrote:Tchill and Luca

2 players who are the scumteam

only names

go
Klick/A50

Luca/A50

Datisi/???

Klick/LUV

Luca/A50

In post 2069, Datisi wrote:Tchill you don't see a possibility of Klick/Luca?

klick/luca should be underneath datisi/???

which is why im willing to lynch datisi and if she were to flip town would open the door to klick/luca lynch.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:53 pm

pretty sure he came to conclusion due to PoE and TR's he believed he had weakest reasons for. Luca being the weakest.

he was adamant about not pushing luca scum though.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:54 pm

UNVOTE:

welll... FUCK WORKING WITH LUCA... in that case.

i've tried so many damn times. im done. im just done.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:16 pm

gun to my head and i had to nail scum or be shot:

A50: (klick and luca are protecting this slot hard. When i mention that both act like im exaggerating. He claimed a n3 action which has the possibility of being a useless PR altogether. Only giving town ONE sure fire PR. The claim stinks. A50 himself was very apathetic. Refused to help town)

Datisi: (tends to come in behind the action. Never generates actions. Only reacts. Her game is scummy as a whole, nothing in p[articular. Ali claiming she should be shot then lightly claiming protective rids this slot of any town vibes she'd get from the Ali NK)

this is where it gets most difficult.

LUV: (ppl want to clear him because of biily. The reasoning is weak and its shit. His catch ups are a bunch of word salad. As scum he has no need to change play with 2 of the possible 6 players hard TR'ing him. Gobble hasn't even read. So really at this time only 3 ppl would vote here. Not a threat to him.)

Klick: (I think Klick could have a great scum game going here. Pockets Icon by never pushing that claim. carries him to lylo where his claim will cause second guesses. Carries 2 inactive slots with him... There's scum agenda there. He also not only refused to push Luca but he wouldn't even push me. He had no guess for a teammate. This very well could be because he was afraid of forming associations. He's willing to risk a mislynch that would lead to lylo when he has NO IDEA who is possibly the scum candidates partner. As thorough as he's been here that is wildly reckless imo. "not lynching A50 or LUV is the correct play if they're both town" Nobody can make a great lean on either player provided lack of content, real time interaction or seeing how they react to things as it unfolds. Klick is aware of this when making that statement.)

Luca: (this guy... This fucking guy... Im torn on but its mostly because he keeps fighting me. I Town read him because he used poe to get to a flippy scum read. I was also in the bottom. He then uses pre confirmation bias to group me and flippy together as scum. So im actually scum read here beacuse im CORRECT about town flippy. Yes it looked odd in the moment. I've explained why flippy was obv town to me. Anyway that progression seems towny to me. I feel scum would be worried of implicating themselves by pushing a team when they didnt have to. He then opens d2 slightly TR'ing me. Then slowly progresses to a datisi/tchill scum team. This one has no associations compared to the tchill/flippy scum team. I provide a "thought experiment" he refuses to entertain. He then votes me after I finally extend the olive branch and vote datisi. This guy has had so many chanes to make me hard TR him and has refused them all. This dude is just lost town imo)

Icon: (oh what is it? how does it go? "scum dont claim cop day 1")

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:23 pm

A50 has popped up as top tier lynch in mine, luca and klicks progressions.

Datisi has popped up in our lynch pools as well. not top tier though, as you can see klicks reads.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:27 pm

Now does he get a TR just because he's the only other pr?

He claimed one that by setup design might not even get to work. There's a chance he's just as strong as a vt here. That had to be taken into account.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:27 pm

Did datisi ever take a stance on A50?

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:31 pm

Nothing personal. I'm just pissed that every time I try to take the game in some sort of direction it stagnates.

I really have solid reason to TR you. Hopefully something different comes out of your reassessments.

Please primarily focus on klick/luv. That's where I'm having most of my issues.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:32 pm

In post 2095, Datisi wrote:Yeah. Was voting for him earlier, based on the fact that he's done fuck all to even try to be Townread. Unvoted him when Klick started pushing me, since I thought that was pingy as hell.

Well that's interesting.

I think A50 could be scum with.

Klick
LUV
Datisi

In that order.

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:33 pm

Once again... If someone lied about VT please bring that to light...

Tchill13 · Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:39 pm

Yes. A lack of activity from 2 players is totally destroying the game in my opinion.

Tchill13 · Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:07 am

So this guy is gonna be kicking and screaming if we don't follow him after giving him his time because he already comes off as the type with an ego...

Klick where are you at with reads? Has anything changed?

LUV site flaked and we can't get a replacement for that slot?

Tchill13 · Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:08 am

I bet chemist is having A TIME watching this shit show lol.

Tchill13 · Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:04 pm

im not one to bus (pointless coming from me ik)

I like that you're reassessing though. the game is won in klick/datisi/A50/LUV.

If A50 is scum town only have 1pr unless town is lying (please dont) i'd go datisi/LUV/Klick here.

If klick is scum id be more likely to lynch luv/datisi/a50 in that order.

if datisi is scum then I'd lean to A50 first.

If LUV is scum klick is the next immediate lynch.

Tchill13 · Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:16 pm

Yeah I wouldn't exactly believe he's gonna solve the game for us.

Tchill13 · Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:02 pm

I really thought you were gonna provide a bunch of garbage but I'm quite impressed. I like the whole thing. I'd much rather be inclined to think everyone reacts to "posting trends" one way opposed to everyone reacting to "solo gambits" a certain way depending on their alignment.

You backup your reasoning, explain where it comes from and it makes sense to me.

You land on klick/datisi which falls in my (one scum in klick/datisi one scum in luv/a50 hunch)

Im happy with it. I'd rather lynch datisi first I believe.

I'm you still have catching up to do though. Either way I'm impressed with the logic.

Tchill13 · Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:10 am

In post 2191, Klick wrote:I mean, I could say there's a correlation between whether you have an animal in your avatar and whether you're scum. There's no evidence, but you can't say it's invalid.

I almost replaced out myself when I saw ten pages of spam overnight. I trust that that's a valid reaction to the situation that was presented.

Yeah. Not surprised that there's a response like this.

Funny how ppl are so obsessed with solo gambits here (not necessarily you klick) and will accept results of them but then you have something like this that is always immediately looked down upon.

Tchill13 · Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:11 am

In post 2193, Klick wrote:To discourage lurking, which stalls games. Not because there's a particularly strong correlation between lurking and scum.

Lynch All Lurkers isn't a good policy.

No policy is good if you're not willing to do it all the time. Which this site can't do.

If we'd lynch all lurkers and all liars town would... Oh Idk. Win like they should. Nobody wants to stick with that though.

Tchill13 · Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:13 am

I want datisi lynched first because the majority of players are calling her scum and the content she's provided leads me to believe she could actually be scum.

Tchill13 · Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:45 am

Same. At this point I just need a flip. My reads are set in stone.

Tchill13 · Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:39 am

I mean I need a flip before I reevaluate again.

I have put in too much effort in this game imo as far as redoing my reads over and over and over.

So I'm just waiting for a flip now and yes I currently believe what you stated.

Tchill13 · Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:22 pm

In post 2205, Datisi wrote:
In post 2198, Tchill13 wrote:I want datisi lynched first
because the majority of players are calling her scum
and the content she's provided leads me to believe she could actually be scum.
Btw what's up with this?

When a majority calls someone town or scum it's usually true isn't it? I thought that was a common thing on site.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:07 pm

If datisi flips green I'm going after klick fyi.

If she flips red LUV

LUV would be my top guess with either.

So I'm down to lynch LUV/DATISI /KLICK

In that order.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:42 pm

In post 2234, gobbledygook wrote:Tchill do we have a quasi mind meld?

No the games just obviously going in that direction lol.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:43 pm

Can we just lynch LUV?

Yes I'm around.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:10 pm

VOTE: Lil uzi Vert

I'm fine if we don't even achieve a lynch tbh. I'm not lynching datisi just to lynch datisi. While I think there's scum equity there.

Klick has grown as a possible scum guy.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:13 pm

There's 7 right?

No lynch leaves 6. Mislynch leaves 4. Game is lost.

No lynch is 6. No lynch is 5. Then have to hit scum.

I'd almost be OK with 2 no lynches. Letting scum eat themselves (only because we're so scattered atm.)

But if we're gonna no lynch today we'd have to no lynch next day phase also imo.

I'd much rather just lynch LUV.

Not sure if I'd rather lynch datisi than do 2 no lynches in a row though.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:16 pm

If me/gobble/datisi vote LUV here and klick refuses then that'll be even more of a red herring but it'll allow 2 no lynches to play out.

If klick is scum this puts him in a tough spot, but icon is so tr'd he'd almost have to be a night kill...

Now that I realize icon would be a nk I'd probably lynch datisi before doing the no kill/no kill.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:17 pm

No lynch because tomorrow is lylo on a mislynch. If we no lynch it's lylo anyway though. I just hopped on here and started thinking out loud before having the whole thing thought out.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:18 pm

Yeah. We lynch LUV or datisi.

Klick just said due to meta datisi is prob town. Let's give klick what he wants. See what happens.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:19 pm

I haven't even thought about what a luv green flip would mean. I'm not sure what that would lead to.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:29 pm

It'd almost have to be.

I don't see any other teams that might be possible that don't involve luv/gobble/Icon. If they're all town the scum team played well I guess.

Those 3 slots on the other hand.... I'd be discussing post game if they were all town haha.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:49 pm

Why do I have to talk about my own meta? What good will that do?

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:54 pm

Haha. It'll help both of us if you get a TR out of it. That's the only way it helps both of us. I fucking hate Meta...

I damn sure wouldn't let LUV/gobble or icon get lynched. I'd bring them to lylo.

In all honesty I'd be playing and saying the same shit you've been doing. Hard defending those slots. Not letting anyone even think about running them up because "you can't explain why they're scum" while acting like they're town even though there's not enough content there to make a read.

I'd claim vt during mass and claim something else during lylo. Makingg sure I crumbed d1 to back up my lylo claim.

I'd fucking win. Cus this group has been shit.

Anything else?

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:55 pm

Like gobble's breakdown was immediately thrown out for being different but meta is the end all be all. It's so fucking stupid.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:56 pm

I damn sure wouldn't have singlehandedly kept the game active during multiple occasions.

Stagnation is scums best friend.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:57 pm

Oh also Ali doesn't get killed. Players that egotistical are TOXIC and if I trick Ali I win the game because Ali wouldn't ever let anyone else even play the game if they disagreed with ali's reads.

I welcome the "famous God lvl" players when I'm scum. They'll manipulate the whole game for you if you fool them.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:00 pm

Hmm... What else.

Probably would have killed datisi. She hasn't initiated much at all. Low info kill. Makes Ali look good if datisi flips town.

And the great thing about "famous God lvl" players being alive so late is town ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS get paranoid and lynch them in lylo because they're still in the game.

Playing with ppl like that as when I'm scum and they're town are my favorite games. If they catch me no big deal they're "elite" or whatever, but damn do I use them to the full extent when I'm scum and they think I'm town.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:03 pm

I'd probably open lylo up by casting doubt on icon then saying a (inactive slot/X) are scum.

In this case it'd be you and LUV.

That said I wouldn't mention that scum team until lylo. Wouldn't even want ppl thinking of the possibility until then. Of course Ali is in the game at that point and it's completely different.

I'd love to be scum this game my man. I really would. One player like Ali and a bunch of slots that haven't done shit. Half of them won't even hardly play.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:08 pm

I'm wreck less as both alignments though.

And I'm not egotistical enough to say "my town is just like my scum" because ppl that do that throw as town so they're scum game can be better.

And now you've forced me to play future games with the fact that I've broken myself down as scum on site. So thanks. I'm really happy I did that for a game town is gonna lose anyway.

Meta is fucking trash. I really can't say that enough.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:10 pm

And I'll point to Ali vs Luca has proof players like that won't let other players even play. Sometimes it's for disagreeing. Sometimes it's just because "they KNOW someone is scum"

But yeah. Ppl like that are my favorite scum tool. Inactive players are lvl 2 scum tools. I have more ideas but yeah. I'm done explaining/venting.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:13 pm

At one point I played about 70 percent of my games with boonskies (love that guy) and I literally would just concentrate on manipulating his familiarity with me. Won 2 scum games off of it. Fun stuff.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:15 pm

I hope you're town klick, haven't met another player that made me respect their game in a while. If you're scum kudos, but I'd be more impressed if you were town here.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:18 pm

Meta is shit because it's used wrong 85 percent of the time.

That said if you really did read all my shit (which its fucking weird you can do that here but I digress) then you'll know I'm kind of an oddball on site. At least I feel that way. I'm sure I've made some enemies too.

But yeah. Ali death confirms me as town since you've read everything. Because I wasn't aware that'd you do that when I had the ability to WIFOM you with knowledge of my meta.

Funny how you wouldn't participate in my exercise and now you're coming around to a Luca SR. I knew that'd happen eventually. It especially has to happen if you're scum.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:21 pm

Because tomorrow one of the lurkers are dead. Somebody else (icon) is presumably dead.

Which leaves klick/tchill/datisi/gobble/luca

And if one of Luca klick is scum and datisi/a50 isn't convincing enough you have to start pushing each other as scum. Especially now that I'm town read by datisi and gobble.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:22 pm

Hell yeah. I want that as the lylo group if LUV flips town. I'm confident I can figure that one out.

That said I'm 80 percent sure luv flips scum here. That'll lead to a lot of fun.

Now does klick bus his partner or does he fight the lynch?

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:19 pm

So you think town has 1 PR?

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:20 pm

Pretty weak statement for someone who's about to be lynched and hasn't provided us with any material.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:36 pm

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm active atm I'll engage you in real time about anything.

The shiny statement makes sense but I feel if that's your strongest argument opposing your lynch because we were about to lynch datisi... I'd like a better reason.

Also nobody is throwing a tantrum about you being town. At least I was about flippy being town.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:37 pm

In post 2271, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think Gobble’s role doesn’t make any sense with mailman or his modifier.

I think it doesn't make sense in a 9 player game period given how it may never even be used. N3? That's weird.

Why claik that as scum? There's plenty more reasonable fake claims he could have made.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:08 pm

If scum you just claim n2 bodyguard and keep icon alive.

I just don't understand why scum claim that.

I don't think you're playing at all honestly, and your slot is not one I want if there is a lylo. Hell even gobble has more to play off than you do now.

Yes you could be doing this as town (I'll be incredibly disappointed) but just because that's a possibility doesn't mean it's true. You could easily do this as scum calso.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:18 pm

In post 2277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:And it’s not just the claim. Gobble has done zero scum hunting. His entire ISO is just mechanics and style.

Gobble did review the game and provided us with his "mechanics" of sort.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:21 pm

I've never accused you of active lurking because you're lacking the active part.

Why would you use a statement like that to defend yourself? I can engage with an active lurker by mentioning them. I can't engage with you unless I'm lucky.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:22 pm

More focused on "wanting to be right as opposed to if you'd play like this as scum"

What does this mean exactly?

Being right is my top priority.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:36 pm

What are your other reassessments Luca.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:37 pm

Yes he did an activity breakdown.

Why aren't you playing? Why are. You asking me that?

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:18 pm

Icon please vote LUV. For the luv of all that is good... Hehe.

No seriously. We need a flip. Luv is a better lynch than datisi. Idc what gobble's reasons for voting luv is.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:18 pm

And it's sad that gobble's idea is getting shit on.

Either conform to the masses or be burned at the stake I guess.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:47 pm

I don't dislike the way you play.

You've just conformed to the site when it comes to fake claiming as town for no reason. So now you're just part of the problem and in a way worse because not only do you do it but you allow it which means you might as well encourage it.

That shit is part of why town is so terrible here. It's really just one thing. Other than that I don't have any stances on your play.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:04 pm

Ugh. Someone tell me why scum claims n3 bodyguard instead of n2 when there's not a tracker in the game.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:05 pm

Me/Icon/datisi/gobble is enough to lynch luv

Klick and Luca have made it clear they won't be doing that.

So if you 3 would please cooperate that'd be outstanding.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:11 pm

I think A50 was being spiteful and was going to let his slot get lynched while claiming vt and then tell us to shove it.

I think a game with 2 PR's makes more sense than a game with 1 PR. I've asked about 4 times if anyone was lying about VT please come forward, and nobody has. So I'm left to believe that we're in a game with either one or 2 PR's. I prefer to believe 2 given the context.

So once again, if you're lying about being a PR you're seriously messing up my game and my reads. Please come forward.

I think Gobble’s "system" was genuine and I believe he's town more so than luv/Billy when assessing the 2.

It always comes back to the Billy "reaction test". If not for that nobody would tr luv. You're pinning the slot on one thing that happened early d1, there's not another reason to back it up. It's just insane to me.

I've seen ppl play the way datisi has played and flip town.

It's still weird to me that Luca and klick aren't really pushing each other.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:13 pm

There almost HAS to be scum in luv/gobble due to the confusion that we're at.

Active town chasing active town is the only thing that usually leads to this kind of game state.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:13 pm

It's not the only thing. Meant to delete "only"

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:15 pm

One scum in luv/gobble/datisi.

And that's the order I'd bet it in.

Probably one scum in Luca/klick.

Luca and klick are BOTH against luv.

It just makes sense to lynch luv 1st out of the more suspicious slots if you're suspicious AT ALL of klick or Luca.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:22 pm

In post 2308, Datisi wrote:VOTE: LUV

Btw, why
would
scum claim n2 bg here? They couldn't go for the obvious kill then.

Claim n2 BG so you can keep conf town icon in the game. You then say scum kept you alive for the wifom.

You then kill an inactive slot.

When pressured you ask "why the hell would scum claim n2 bg? Everyone read icon as town and I'm only guaranteeing he stays around with this claim. He should have been scums top priority."

Auto "conf" town right there. Town would be so confused that you could literally push anyone as scum except icon.

Of course I as scum would assume this town wouldn't be able to get their shit together in lylo and that's what I'd do personally.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:23 pm

In post 2311, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If you two are just going to be brick walls and repeat the same play that essentially got Emperor lynched than I’ll just do the same.

VOTE: Gobble

Most players WOULD kill Ali. She softed a protective right before the thread was locked.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:25 pm

Luv is shading both PR claims.

So we have no PR's huh?

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:27 pm

When luv does play it just seems like he's constantly providing weak arguments.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:29 pm

In post 1309, Alisae wrote:Dw icon i’ll make sure u get a result

In post 1320, Alisae wrote:Honestly team is probs luca/luv

There's the soft.

Throwing her read in because it could still be true. So points Alisae.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:31 pm

In post 475, Chemist1422 wrote:
VC 1.5
Kop (4) [L-1]
- Almost50, Iconeum, Datisi, Billy Pilgrim

Emperor flippyNips (1)
- Kop

Tchill13 (1)
- Klick

Datisi (1)
- Tchill13

Not Voting (4)
- Luca Blight, Emperor flippyNips

With 9 alive, majority is 5.

Deadline:
(expired on 2019-08-28 07:00:00)

Notes
Almost50 replaces Robbnva.

In post 1407, Chemist1422 wrote:
VC 1.13
Emperor flippyNips (5) [L-0]
- Luca Blight, Datisi, Iconeum, Klick, Alisae

Luca Blight (1)
- Emperor flippyNips

Datisi (1)
- Tchill13

Not Voting (2)
- Almost50, Lil Uzi Vert

With 9 alive, majority is 5.

Deadline:
(expired on 2019-08-28 07:00:00)

Notes
Klick is V/LA for a few days.
Flip will likely be delayed until I’m out of school.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:34 pm

Fucking hell we're only on D2. There's not even 2 lynch wagons to examine.

We need to lynch luv, the guy whose being cleared by a reaction test from his predecessor, who hasn't played a majority of the time (and is justifying it because I can't explain why scum would do that, well I can't exactly explain why town would do that either) and doesn't exactly believe even 1 PR claim.

Like how the FUCK has this not been lynched yet.

Because "Billy was obv town with his reaction"

Get the fuck out of here.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:36 pm

If LUV flips scum klick or Luca is dead D2. Absolutely dead.

Tchill13 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:37 pm

If LUV flips town then my head will literally explode. I'm sure that'll be a welcome event in this game.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:35 am

In post 2327, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Ah I didn’t see that. Sure does look like crumb but:

In post 1333, Alisae wrote:I don’t feel like going through the open subforum to see how often he puts vigs in games
Someone else can do that
Gnite
There was also this post shortly after. I feel scum would have notice that the protective didn’t make the concerted effort to meta the setup designer and reviewers.

I've never meta'd anything unless I'm just familiar with the person. What on earth would this have to do with ali's credibility as a softed pr?

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:40 am

Ohhhhh myyyyyy goodness.

We can't just lynch LUV can we lol...

This guy is scum. He's scum he's scum he's scum.

I'm out. I'm done with this game until there's a lynch. You all deserve each other. Keep talking in circles. This is worse than most day 1s I've been a part of.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:20 am

We can't just play games we're in anymore can we?

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:24 am

Datisi, luv flips town. Who's scum?

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:27 am

Luv's point on Ali not having credibility on her soft because she explained she wasn't going to meta dive is a crock of horse shit.

@datisi what differentiates Luca being scum with gobble opposed to klick being scum with gobble?

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:34 am

I've fumed all over the place. Don't act like you're so special luv

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:41 am

@datisi that's a good point.

At some point though if A50 and LUV are town then scum has done some weird interactions with each other.

Now if one slot is scum (luv) then there's some interactions between scum that make more sense.

If gobble was scum. He replaced in and claimed a weird as hell PR (before reading the game at all) then he provided a mechanism (that was shit on because it wasn't meta) that took quite some time to make. Regardless of what you think of it it took effort.

Gobble's play and A50's spite is similar to flippy's d1. There's no reason for scum to be doing it. It's shit play if scum. It's too garbage to be well thought out (from goblle) and there's way better things scum! Gobble could do here.

LUV has yet to provide a reason everyone WOULD NOT kill Ali. His meta dive argument isn't strong. He's using this as one of his main reasons to push datisi.

I just don't think the risk/reward is there with a datisi lynch.

She has a scummate if scum. Who is it?

I'm not going to be OK with gobble and luv being in lylo if we mislynch datisi. That's autowin for scum. It's no happening by my help.

If datisi is scum she has a partner. Who is that partner.

@luca @klick @luv.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:46 am

@datisi @icon

Whos the scum team and why are those 2 in particular scum with each other.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:46 am

@gobble also. The scum team and why they are particularly scum together. We all do this then we lynch someone. This day phase has gone on too long.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:47 am

Is the mod still there? Hasn't posted in a while.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:22 am

In post 2367, Datisi wrote:Y'know the game's shot when the mod himself flakes...

LUV/(Klick or Luca)
I don't know how I feel about Klick switching gears to LUV/Luca. Also 2323 is giving me pause but idk.

You can't keep dismissing scum teams due to ppl's interactions. At some point wifom is gonna become a thing.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:16 am

In post 2371, Klick wrote:
In post 2363, Tchill13 wrote:then he provided a mechanism (that was shit on because it wasn't meta)
You keep saying this. It's a misrep. Stop it.

Whos scum with datisi. I really don't care for any other input than an answer to my questions directed at specific ppl.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:32 am

What was that answer again? Basically that you don't know correct?

We'll I'll no lynch before I vote with someone that doesn't have an idea of what the scum team could be if datisi is in it.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:27 am

Then why do you hell do you prefer a datisi lynch if you think they're scum together?

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:06 pm

VOTE: datisi

Yeah that does it for me.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:07 pm

Datisi can't come up with a reasonable scum team. Hast played to her town meta (apparently. Obviously I'm going off what's been said) and has been pretty scummy in play.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:08 pm

I'm pretty sure it's datisi/A50.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:10 pm

UNVOTE:

Actually I want to be the hammer if yall don't mind.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:22 pm

Great. Please compromise.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:53 pm

Alright let's lynch luv. I'll hammer.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:05 pm

In post 2404, Iconeum wrote:Actually, I think you are townread by most. Let's have someone else hammer

After the flip flopping from the group as a whole when I decide to work with someone...

I'll hammer.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:59 pm

icon vote datisi.

if she flips town its LUV/Luca

If she flips scum she's scum with A50.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:12 pm

In post 2423, Iconeum wrote:Datisi/A50 could make sense

otherwise LUV/?

LUV/Luca

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:12 pm

oh my fucking ...

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:13 pm

its not happening. datisi or luv

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:13 pm

In post 2425, Iconeum wrote:ok i'm down for Datisi if I can hammer her

WHATR THE FUCK IVE NEVER ASKED TO HAMMER IN A GAME AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN ITS A POINT OF DEBATE. THIS IS A CIRCUS.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:21 pm

@mod what happens if i request everyone else is replaced?

"on my terms" game has stagnated multiple times while i probably cared too much about it. nobody is even trying to call me scum. WTF do you think i'd take from that scenario?

you guys have went in more cirrcles than nascar drivers. i feel like im trapped in the truman show.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:22 pm

In post 2439, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2394, Tchill13 wrote:I'm pretty sure it's datisi/A50.
Actually seriously, please explain why Datisi is the better lynch over gobble?

because of gobble's claim and the oh so endless list scum could have done to handle that scenario better.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:22 pm

datisi's contnet is actually the scummiest of the players alive.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:23 pm

In post 2438, Luca Blight wrote:Tchill, you criticize others for not co-operating, but you expect everything on your terms.

Do you not think from the example that I provided that it makes no sense why A50 would not claim if he really was N3 BG?

You seem to be considering the possibility that Gobble could be scum yourself, so why are you refusing to compromise on this?

if everything was on my terms yall wouldnt have mislynched flippy. idk what else to tell you man.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:24 pm

In post 2443, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2435, Datisi wrote: I didn't say it's likely. That's why LUV is on the top of my list, because I really struggle to see both him and A50 slot as Town, but A50 makes no sense with anyone but me. But I know he's not with me.
The same could be said of just about everyone in this game.

Forget about associatives for a moment and lynch who is most likely to be scum. A50's slot has been dubious since mid-D1. We seem to resting the game on him being town due to an otherwise lack of Town power, but he claimed his role
after
everyone else did, and his predecessor claimed VT and never hinted at anything else, so it's sketchy as fuck. It's not a provable claim and yet people are auto TR'ing for it.

how is icons claim provable? Requires a lot of trust in icon and the player he performs his action on.

nobody trust anyone other than icon atm.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:28 pm

datisi isnt trying to game solve.

me/klick/luca are the only ones who have been consistent in that (maybe icon)

LUV has spent most time excusing others or deflecting pressure from himself.

If gobble does this as scum when he had much better ways top handle it... i mean why claim n3 bg there when his slot claimed VT. Why not read your predecessor at all if your scum? Had he he would have claimed VT unless yall can tell me why claiming n3 BG (the reason yall are psuhing him) is a better idea as scum than to claim VT.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:29 pm

In post 2452, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2445, Tchill13 wrote:datisi's contnet is actually the scummiest of the players alive.
well case it ffs?

'this is scum' is terrible scumhunting by itself

enlighten us

I could just lie and say im a cop and datisi is scum.

You'd encourage that kind of play.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:29 pm

In post 2454, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2446, Tchill13 wrote:if everything was on my terms yall wouldnt have mislynched flippy. idk what else to tell you man.
will you please stop with the fucking egotrip already?

OKAY ur the best, you know everything, we all suck.

Now start working with everyone

hahaha i was right about one thing. yeah i feel so accomplished...smh.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:31 pm

In post 2448, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2444, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2439, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2394, Tchill13 wrote:I'm pretty sure it's datisi/A50.
Actually seriously, please explain why Datisi is the better lynch over gobble?
because of gobble's claim and the oh so endless list scum could have done to handle that scenario better.
Gobble turned a slot that everyone was happy to lynch into a slot that nearly everyone automatically TR at a single stroke.

Tell me how he could have played it any better?

you and klick fought A50s lynch tooth and nail.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:34 pm

im more mature than that. i dont want to read how you correctly town read someone and lycnhed 77 scum in a row after town lied about a claim.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:35 pm

In post 2460, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2455, Tchill13 wrote:I could just lie and say im a cop and datisi is scum. You'd encourage that kind of play.
This is incredibly dodgy when asked to actually present scummy!Datisi.

shes been scummy. Thats my case. That will be my case. today, tomorrow and the next day.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:41 pm

ok reset.

my issue with you in particular luca is that you seem to think alignments will be played a certain way. You then find reasons to confirm said thinking. It happened with flippy. I fear its happening with A50.

@icon

Im seeing the game from 2 perspectives at the same time "im the best thats why i can do that" a datisi/A50 team or a LUV/Luca team

I WILL NOT give a detailed case of datisi. 96 pg d2. im not reading through shit.

Klick has had the chance to defend LUV with luca but showed he might lynch LUV. Datisi is fine with a luv lynch. Gobble is as well.

the datisi/A50 scum team is shakier. Probably because we dont know who a possible scum partner is for datisi so theres a chance a50 is just getting lumped in there.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:42 pm

@luca you refused to lynch either of the inactive slots because they were inactive.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:43 pm

that moment the most impressive thing i ever did in mafiascum is restrain myself to rebuild a relationship with icon.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:44 pm

In post 2473, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2470, Tchill13 wrote:the datisi/A50 scum team is shakier
Then why you pushing Datisi so much?

because a few ppl would only vote her for a time and i wanted to show a willingness to work with others.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:45 pm

In post 2473, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2470, Tchill13 wrote:the datisi/A50 scum team is shakier
Then why you pushing Datisi so much?

it is a repeated style. she doesnt generate content. she lets things happen then comments. This is my 4th time saying this.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:48 pm

In post 2476, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2470, Tchill13 wrote:ok reset.

my issue with you in particular luca is that you seem to think alignments will be played a certain way. You then find reasons to confirm said thinking. It happened with flippy. I fear its happening with A50.
This is ironic, given you loved Gobble's theory about Town and scum playing in a particular way based on activity.

What do you think of the following:

In post 2461, Luca Blight wrote: Gobble entered the thread with nothing to lose. He made an obscure claim and then waited to see if anyone bought into it before catching-up. He didn't want to invest himself into a game if no-one believed it, which is why he took so long to read any of the thread.

I loved the uniqueness of it. I'll welcome any idea thats new and not meta. I never said it was a terrific idea or that i completely agreed with it.

I think that could be a possibility. It's definitely believable. Who do you think A50 is scum with.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:49 pm

In post 2480, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2471, Tchill13 wrote:@luca you refused to lynch either of the inactive slots because they were inactive.
No I didn't?

why do i remember you and klick causing me a headache when i tried to get luv or A50 lynched?

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:50 pm

In post 2481, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2477, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2473, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2470, Tchill13 wrote:the datisi/A50 scum team is shakier
Then why you pushing Datisi so much?
it is a repeated style. she doesnt generate content. she lets things happen then comments. This is my 4th time saying this.
What about her attack on Klick?

i dont even remember this.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:51 pm

VOTE: whoever the fuck can actually be lynched

VOTE: gobble

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:55 pm

In post 2491, Datisi wrote:I'd put a gif of a circus but I'm on mobile

Icon can you do that for me

Also Tchill what's the play here

walk away from the thread. give luca and icon whatever they want b4 you dive all the way into the black hole that is eternal madness. hope we see a d2 flip before we reach pg 100.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:56 pm

In post 2494, Iconeum wrote:UNVOTE:

Hopping in the madness hole aweoipu;fngap9oew;hgnrvaoerzihurngio

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:56 pm

In post 2495, Iconeum wrote:Tchill simple question

Does town!A50 being N3 bodyguard claim VT when under pressure/getting lynched?

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Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:57 pm

In post 2498, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2487, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2481, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2477, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2473, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2470, Tchill13 wrote:the datisi/A50 scum team is shakier
Then why you pushing Datisi so much?
it is a repeated style. she doesnt generate content. she lets things happen then comments. This is my 4th time saying this.
What about her attack on Klick?
i dont even remember this.
It's been the main thing she's talked about recently so again, as I was earlier, I wondering if you're actually reading half of what's going on.

i dont have to read the game i am a god. I clearly dont care enogh to.

Tchill13 · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:59 pm

my 400th post woo i really dont care about this game at allllllllllllllllllll enough to read it.

go figure i didnt know we were on pg 100.