Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

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So i'm at 2/3 of vork/ddl/jan, in that order, i think

I feel p good about this

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I hope to be asleep at deadline, but i'll keep an eye on this.

I'll vote whoever i need to (besides me obvs) to make a lynch happen, would prefer vork tho

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Currently the only person i'm townreading, and am probably keeping out of my lynch pool is tictac.

I need to do some homework before i'm willing to vote.

Ddl i'm feeling ~anxious~ about you because of the open ... you were obvtown there but havent really been here

January do u have any scumgames on site for me to look at. Also i still kinda hate your progrssion on me/vork. Also i still dont know why you're scumreading me. Also i feel like your posts are townie on the surface but they lack the ~follow through~ that i expect from town. Like you make posts but the thought process doesnt seem to carry through or motivate later ones, necessarily

Zenith i need to decide if he's newbtown or newbscum. I'm leaning towards the former but i need to fo some more research.

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Also plz no voting yet, i want to try to solve this

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Ok. Why is jan town?

I'm not feeling great about the good doctor rn

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I would like that please

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Currently the only person i'm townreading, and am probably keeping out of my lynch pool is tictac.

I don't like this. You had the same issue with tictac flipflopping and now you've lock towned him while you are scumreading jan. I think the whole interaction of you and tictac is weird, and you two are my highest equity scum pair.

I still think your attack on vork yesterday is unfounded, and now with vork's flip I know his case on you is in good faith

Tictac townlock has very litle to do with their trajectory on me/vork, it's because of the post they made wrt the potential teams and the fact that they dug up a scum pt reference from a game six months ago to reach a conclusion

I dont think scum goes to that much effort to evaluate someone most of the time

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I also dislike how you stepped off the pressure on vork yesterday as you "convinced" tictac to flip.

Because ...

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i think your read on me is also not in good faith? this game and that open (bless that game) is very different both in terms of circumstance and mechanics. i cant see your read from that game transferring over here.

Werent you referencing that game too ...

Why is this game different from that game in that my expectation for town!you to obvtown is unreasonable?

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There are nuggets of merit in vork's post. I think I'm concerned about other ~reasons~

Want to talk about this now?
Also how are you reading january?

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Ok fair enough wrt the things u cant talk about, i thought it was the open

When you have time, i would appreciate an elaboration on why you're townreading jan and why you think tictac's list is scummy

It's not that i wasnt committed to vork so much as:
- i wanted people (jan in particular) to flesh out the townread so i gave room for that
- i apparently dont like to commit to things and get spooked easily (esp when wagons are growing faster than i expected)

I dont get why you think scum!me backs off there if i'm aiming for a vork mislynch

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not really sure why this is necessary tho, i think you should have no problem with just reading my lines instead of having to compare it to something else (which can change anyways)

meta tends to be a p strong component of how i form reads, so i figure if more info is available i might as well avail myself of it

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if anything, i think my process comes from a town POV even if its completely wrong - a bit surprised that you think my process is scummy

i dont' like how you:

- started off tr'ing vork
- wouldn't/couldn't explain the read
- unvoted me (?)

i still don't understand this

can u summarize all of your reads please?

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I was nominally vla on fridays before but i'm going to be really vla on fridays for the forseeable future, i'll be around tomorrow night

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It's been lagging on and off for me to, it was really bad for me last night, that's why i wasnt here

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i'll be here v shortly, sorry, vla on weekends

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@tictac i actually read your january post now

i believe that you tr her, but it didn't particularly convince me

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zen whats ur reads

I don't have any town reads right now.
Skitter scares me in a sort of sneaky way, tictac scares me in an agenda pushing way, jan scares me in a sort of staying mostly off my radar way, and you scare me in a more friendly kind of way.

All I see is wifom. I could see all actions as coming from town or scum and I don't particularly enjoy this feeling.

so the fact that you don't have any firm reads at this point i find concerning, it basically makes me nervous that you're setting your reads up so you can pivot to anyone if convenient

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skit - i could explain my reads on u and vork again, but i’m pretty sure i’ve explained it in previous posts

if you really want i can go and quote everything but i think you could probably just ISO and check, and tell me if you have specific issue with anything i said. if i was to explain now it’d probably just be me parroting what i said earlier

and yeah what someone said about stagnating - it’s kinda making me want to spend less energy in this game (sorry - kind of)

no, you still never explained the vork tr, but ok
can you summarize your current reads please?

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tictac - not really sure about ruling them out specifically. i do think zenith’s towntold more out of the 3 so i might agree with u

idk i’m indecisive and i kinda just want this game to be over

do you like town or scum more in a general sense?

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Hmm.. Kinda suspicious of everyone so why not? Either scum will hammer or we get one step closer to winning. Kind of ready for this game to end tbh.

VOTE: DrDolittle
L-1

ummm

ddl's response is ummmmm too

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I wouldn't be surprised if you are second scum with either skit or jan.

he thinks i'm town and i'm voting him in lylo..

ya i do'nt entirely understand why he freaked out at zen and not at you...

something very funky just happened there

oh hey i can't be scum with zen now, that's cool

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tictac i'd feel a little better if you unvoted

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The bolded sentence strongly implies that the suspicious wagon is a town wagon. Why am I wrong?

oh wow this is usually a towntell, huh

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Ok just did a read through. Andddddd here are my thoughts.

I think that January & Fancy(before DrD) were hiding behind Tic’s meta-driven scumread and went for it. Once I VL/A’d and Tic was off of me, they moved onto different targets since mine was off me. DrD came in and stuck up for me, while tic went back on me immediately and January followed.

I believe scum!DrD comes into the game and refutes January to separate themselves and to not be on the “jam train” when I flip green.

I do think Tictac is town. I think they’re tunneled in this meta lynch on me because it’d be very impressive to lynch someone based on the little game-info in the game.

They’ll claim that my lynch isn’t a “meta driven one” anymore, but that I lied about seeing if someone was at L-1. But that’s still based on a meta that I am NOT ok with someone being in L-1, and a meta that if I’m checking the website, I am checking this game. When there are others going on.

That’s my thinking atm.

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Lol between you and Zenith both, can we cut the petty insults? I almost want to lynch out of spite.

There's a marked difference in Jam behavior that coincides w the replacements arriving.
My thinking on that: Skitt is a much better coach than CJ was.

@susp ya don't want a bunny? I'm sad.
I only dole them out for Jam-votes tho, not for guessing reads.

VOTE: january

How am I doing, chief?

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ok, so one question that's been niggling at me is why jamelia was nk'd before suspicious.

after they claimed obvs they would be kills 1 and 2, but why did it happen in that order?

it seems jamelia was sr'ing january and ddl's slot, while townreading tictac
suspicious was scumreading january and zenith

to me, this gives some more weight t scum!january and scum!ddl, and more weight to town!tictac

i'd be kinda surprised if jamelia died first while townreading scum!tictac

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zenith did u ever say how much mafia experience you have?

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I voted because that's literally the only way to make progress @D1.

Jokes aside, Sus's reaction to said wagon and the follow up interrogation gets him townpoints from me.
But like... come on guys, show a tiny bit of common sense with these questions

What specifically about his reaction makes you give him town points?

If suspicious is scum, I could see him as an easy early bus for easy distance. But the wagon moved pretty fast, so perhaps his partner got scared and backed off?

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ok after rereading the first several pages i think zenith is scum again

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I mean hell.. Name something from your reads where you are assuming "this is scummy" or "this is towny" that couldn't have been done by the opposite alignment.

How is this a response to what i said ...

Can u just say how much mafia experience you have? You dodged the question earlier and did it again now

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tictac i'd feel a little better if you unvoted

I've voted for doc for a good long while, and daytalk makes coordinating quickhammers super-easy, yet none have happaned.
doc-slot is conf-scum as far as I'm concerned.
I don't subscribe to using maximum possible discussion time, just cause discussion time.
I don't want doc-slot replaced and somehow squirm out of getting lynched.
It's scum and it needs to die.

I don't think the choice between me and doc-slot is a hard one by any means.
so let's get to it.

I think between u and ddl it's def ddl

If you're both town it has to be zenith/january

In which case i dont know why zenith votes here (and were they both online at the same time saturday ???)

I feel more strongly at this time that zenith is scum tho

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I have problems commiting to things

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I feel more confident about zenith!scum rn

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Sure, but that's not helpful from my pov really

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VOTE: DrDolittle

Like this creeps me out but if he's scum with january this is awful because they could just arrange a quickhammer

I dont think (?) He's scum with you

I think simplest explanation is prob zenith/ddl

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Yep

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Either ddl or tictac is probably scum based on how long tictacs vote has been there.

Yes, and the fact that you're voting too isnt helping

I feel like you're playing the newbie card to get by with things like this

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Heya teacher. It's lylo and you have two votes on you and i think you''re probably scum with zenith

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hey you're still ducking the question

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I think it's scummy that you're refusing to answer that

I think you've been playing the newbie card

And the fact that you're ignoring me saying this makes me think it's true

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I do rely on meta a lot, yes

And sometimes i get caught up in (faulty) assumptions, sure

But i think in lylo it's time to reasses thise assumptions because scum may be hiding behind them.

And i've been letting you slide for like two dayphases assuming you're new, but after rereading parts of the game, it seems like you do, in fact, have more experience than i thought based on how you're talking about the game.

As such, i dont think i should be applying newbtowntells to you, because i dont think you're new anymore. And outside of that context, your posts are actually p scummy

It would be nice to get a straight answer, but that doesnt seem to be happening. So yeah I'm ultimately going to have to go with my best guess. Not much else i can do

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Welp it's zenith/january

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Welp it's zenith/january

i'm just as clear as you are for not hammering ddl earlier

try again

You didnt post, so no

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skit you're all over the place what's going on

You lot are playing lylo very confusingly and bandying about votes too easily

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From my pov:

- zenith/teacher
- tictac/teacher
- january/teacher
- tictac/january
Well then i guess teacher is scum if i assume tictac is town

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I want to doublecheck my tictac tr later and i guess then i'll be ready to vote

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No i understand the logic, but the zenith/january pair wasnt actually ruled out till last night when they were both on at the same time

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Teeeeeeeeeeeeeeecher

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Because i like to feel like i've completely solved the game before i vote in lylo, and i didnt quite get there yesterday (although i was getting close)

I'm probably voting zenith but i need to check a few things

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you can never completely solve the game though..

yesterday you basically said you had to check a few things too, and then you kinda disappeared. maybe i'm biased but it seemed way too obvious for you to take that long to "get there"

i guess this time you actually do need to decide

disappearing was more a function of being busier than normal early this week than anything else
and yes, it takes me a very very very long time to 'get there' in lylo; i basically have a tendency to go back and forth with myself until i feel ~satisfied~ with my solve and won't vote until then
not all of the back and forth makes it's way into the thread but i don't want to cast a game deciding vote until i'm p confident that im not losing the game by voting
see: any of my towngames that i'm alive in lylo in if you'd like

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As soon as it seems like ddl/teacher is most likely going to be lynched, she starts acting weird. It's also kind of strange she's been on every lynch so far cept for when we finally lynch scum.

- what does 'acting weird' mean?
- this isn't just to massage my ego, i'm actually going somewhere with this: do you know what the banner beneath my name is for?

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ok things i'm planning on checking before voting:

- the scumslot's associatives with both of you (in both directions)
- vc's
- the first ~ 6 pages of the game

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i'm leaning towards zenith rn for the following reasons:
- the first ~6 pages of the game were p awful
- i feel like he's been relying on the newbie card to skate by for much of the game but many of his (esp. early posts) belie that he has a deeper understanding of the game
- the vote/unvote with ddl yesterday was weird af
- overall don't have a reason to tr him rn, but i do think january has been kinda townie

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guess i'm a coward
what exactly don't you want me to do?

@Suspicious, went back and saw that but my reasoning still stands. Might just be you using a different approach than me but I don't see how anything Bailey has done seems particularly scummy - the unvote seemed like a very natural time and what I would expect them to do as town, so I'd like to see how that seems scummy to you. What would you have expected them to do as town?

Don't be insecure about your opinions because it doesn't help us at all.
If you're wrong be wrong, it's annoying when people won't commit to a position.

maybe anti-associative

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I dont think Zenith is scum, it doesn't feel right, stuff like putting people at L-1 happens in Newbies at the time. I'd say his odds of being scum are about the same as what they were at the beginning of the game, I.e 2/9.

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@CeeJay, can you elaborate on your reasons for your Zenith vote for posterity?

he's calling a *lot* of attention to how people voted for zenith which actually feels kinda anti-associative

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Acting weird as in like posts: 1130, 1144, 1146.
And I'd guess it means you are difficult for people to read?

ok i thought you were going somewhere else with being weird
why is being weird scummy in this context ?

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ok i'll drop the newbcard thing because it seems to be annoying you

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that isn't a particularly helpful answer wrt weirdness

and fair enough wrt the experience card ... you didn't make the argument i thought you were going to so i'll drop it for now

anyways if you think i'm the last scum could you say why?

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Anything in particular you want me to hit? Im assuming youre town (you can even call it buddying if you want) since I didnt hammered, so mostly going to be focusing on tictac/z/January interactions.

so the very weird thing about this post is:

tictac and january were voting teacher
i'd posted since he was put at l-2 and i hadn't hammered
zenith had posted since he was put at l-2 and didn't hammer

teacher has conftowned me (and is doing the buddying thing etc)

but completely ignored the fact that from his pov that zenith ought to be conftown too

i suppose it's possible that teacher didn't realize that zenith had posted but ya this is v weird

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I can see where this is probably going. You're probably going to vote for me, in which case I'm going to vote for you, and then either scum january hammers one of us, or town january is up against the scary bogeyman that is scum skitter and gets to decide who wins. Sound about right?

still working out where i'm voting but i'm leaning towards you so from your pov atm this is fairly accurate, sure

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let's do this
VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Like I'm fairly zen is town. I see a lot of what he's doing which is perceived as scummy as what I did early on as town in the newbie queue back in the days.

i wish i had meta on how ddl treats partners
through this point there are several instances of ddl strongly tr'ing zenith, stronger than the situation seems to warrant

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it's actually almost wk'ing reading it again
and i can actually see him doing this to town!zenith as well

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i'm not sure i see that

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661 is to jamelia, jan.

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because scum with lots of pressue applied behaves irrationally.

I'm posting from a different location? Frankly I find your distrust a little insulting.

yes but I'm not going to fake rl reasons just to be townread shithead.

also why are you voting your townread

hmmm also anti-associative

ok picking up here later ^

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Throughout the game, did you think the ddl slot is scum? Why/why not? Why weren't you on the wagon?

- thought fancypants was scum
- leaned scum on ddl (in particular for looking remarkably different from town!him that i'd played with concurrently in a game that has since ended)
- day1 i was focused on you/george bailey and i felt like ddl was a later day sort
- day2 i was focused on vork
- day3 i was wanted to figure out the solve and i had largely come around to ddl/teacher; wanted teacher to say his piece before he got hammered and wanted to do my best to find the partner; i was winding towards voting teacher but i wasn't quite ready yet and then the game ended

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Also just curious, but if you don't mind answering a meta question, do you think your clout often results in town skitter being NKed?

in general or in this game in particular?

in general - sometimes, depends on prs and how off my reads are, but i often am

in this game - not after the masons claimed and how day3 went down

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What argument did you think I was going to make? From my perspective it looks like you want to drop it because your main excuse for simultaneously casting shade my way while also giving me an endgame pass just fell apart. Perhaps you need some time to alter the narrative?

i mean this is an entirely inaccurate and uncharitable way of framing what i said, but ok

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i thought you were going with the 'shitty associatives so must have done a horrific job bussing' argument, which is vaguely insulting but apparently you aren't commiting to that

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VOTE: zenith

Sweet, this isnt my problem to solve anymore

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hey @skit this is a kinda weird question but who did you think i was more likely to lynch at the beginning of today

@zenith u too i guess

Honestly idk, i wasnt thinking about the game in those terms. Looking back probably zenith but i could see you swing either way.

Let me know if you want or need anything from me

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1207 really feels like ur sucking up to a clear was there any point in saying any of that

I mean that and he's basically trying to get you to paranoia lynch me.

@zenith why am i scum?

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I mean ....

Let's try this: why did you vote me instead of january?

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ok so your argument for scum!me basically boils down to you thinking in a general meta sense that i have a good scumgame?

can you point to why you think *in this game* i'm scum (ie before january became conftown, obvs)

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Ok so you picked me over january due to paranoia, got it

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ya did good

sorry zenith <3

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you got it right

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i'm very town

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sorry zenith, tough game for you lot
sorry if i went hard i tend to get a little aggressive if i think i found something

i think u played p well actually

why'd you pick tictac last night?

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yeah idk

i feel like there's been a ton of mason setups run in the newbie queue recently

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not sure no kill would have necessarily helped you here

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zenith, i really do think you played v well, i hope to see/play with you again

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yeah ddl's lethargy is part of why i was scumreading him; we played in another game concurrently where he was town and just ... very different

sorry about the meta thing and if i pissed you off at any point, i wasn't trying to do that

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ya i like playing town ~so~ much more than i like playing scum
(although my scum enjoyment has gone up recently)

i hope you roll town in your next game, if that's what you want to be

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ok good the last i want to do is actually piss someone off irl, and you seemed to be getting annoyed so i didn't want to continue pushing that tack if you really didn't like it

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Gg everyone