Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 6]

I'm currently fine with any of 1, 3, 5, 7 sitting out.

If this were a Sadie Hawkins dance, I'd have asked G6 out a while ago. The rest just don't impress.

She pocketing me too?

[Gentleman 6]

L3's defense of L7 and push on L6 is honestly worse than L7 herself.

[Gentleman 6]

You're not even reading what I'm saying though. Do you think you're so good that everyone else's opinions don't matter?

[Gentleman 6]

Like,

if

you're town, you're certainly not playing like it.

[Gentleman 6]

You're fine. Lady 3 is being painful.

[Gentleman 6]

I hate the way that Lady 5 is playing regardless of their alignment.

[Gentleman 6]

You have enough time to post 158 times but not enough time to do anything meaningful

You have enough time to fill the thread with crappy AtE but not enough to give a read on anyone

like...????

[Gentleman 6]

I think that scum are trying to reposition my slot as a SvT pair to discredit my reads and keep me from being an endgame slot so that whatever scum's top performer can take the endgame slot instead.
I have very little to say to you right now G5 besides that I don't think that L8 is scum and I don't trust the sudden turn against them that I already expected to happen if they were town.

[Gentleman 6]

Ok this is unnecessary shade.
Excuse me, I gave my reads.
In the slight chance I do remain and make it to the Dance.
I’ll be having my eye on you and that 8th Lady!

This isn't shade and I'm not even commenting on your alignment, I'm saying that your play is pretty crap.

[Gentleman 6]

Ok this is unnecessary shade.
Excuse me, I gave my reads.
In the slight chance I do remain and make it to the Dance.
I’ll be having my eye on you and that 8th Lady!

This isn't shade and I'm not even commenting on your alignment, I'm saying that your play is pretty crap.

[Gentleman 6]

If you have time to complain in thread you have time to actually play the game.
We're at the point where I'm just like kinda disgusted with the possibility of losing to scum who just used their time in the game complaining about not having time to play the game.

[Gentleman 6]

Is there a specific reason you would like to share G6 or are you saving it for the dance?

I see almost no reason to talk about this before the scum have made their nightkill.

[Gentleman 6]

If I had an incredible and unimpeachable reason to townread her, and I outed that, I'd just ensure that we get targeted and scum try to set L9 up to be lynched instead.
If I didn't really have the best reasons and I outed that, I'd give scum the information that they can nightkill another slot instead and that my pairing isn't ever endgame material.

There's literally no reason to talk about it.

[Gentleman 6]

I think L6 is town and I think she should get a good pairing.

[Gentleman 6]

I think that G3 and L6 will both get along with each other and are both town.

[Gentleman 6]

You: "wow I'm playing terribly scummy and never giving reads"
Also you: "G6 is throwing unnecessary shade"

[Gentleman 6]

Eh, I just realized who it is. that makes sense.

[Gentleman 6]

THe person who you are trying to contact is already in the game...

[Gentleman 6]

You live in Great Britain, correct?

[Gentleman 6]

Oh okay my alt guess was wrong then anyway.

[Gentleman 6]

Meh. My townreads this game are all in the quote unquote PoE and all the slots that I actually think might be scum aren't. Except the slots that have barely posted.

[Gentleman 6]

Like what do you normally do everygame? Are you usually townread? Are you good at catching deepwolves? Vs scum ?

Okay because if you really think about everyone is a lot better late game and like saying I can catch scum better lategame doesn't mean much because the coinflipping is easier late game than early which is why I need to know if you are some god or just like the rest of us mortals.

I don't see why you ask your scumreads this question.

[Gentleman 6]

G5 moreso, he just feels like he's asking all the wrong questions from the wrong viewpoints.

I guess L3's stuff isn't all THAT scum indicative, it just bugs me.

[Gentleman 6]

If I were to propose a scumteam right now it would be G5-L7-unknown.

[Gentleman 6]

Yeah like

I'm not... spectacularly sure on L7. She's playing a very scum motivated game. Is it possible that she's town being weird? Sure I guess.

But gentleman 5 is mafia

[Gentleman 6]

but like he and L7 have been running around playing interference calling people scummy for objectively towny posting and basically preventing anyone from getting townread.

[Gentleman 6]

I've literally scumread Gentleman 5 without pause since the start of the game. I was willing to soften it since everyone townread them by calling it deepwolf, but that read has never changed.
L7 has fluctuated, and my posting reflects the fact that that read has fluctuated. Everyone else, L3 and so on, I have given both stances on.

I don't think it is likely that anything from here happens to change my read on Gentleman 5; the point where I called L7 the scummiest slot in the game is different from me saying that G5 is mafia outright.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not quite sure how to explain what I"m seeing.
I just would like to believe that I know what scum shading other slots look like, and I think that's what G5's play looks like.

As an alternative more objective way of looking at it: look how many different slots G5 has shaded during the game.

[Gentleman 6]

Like I guess I could compile a bunch of quotes where G5 is shading another slot for really shitty reasons but you already called that kind of reasoning surface level so ?shrug¿

[Gentleman 6]

And like, Lady 7's is better in that it doesn't outright feel scummy (not that it feels town either!) it just feels like someone refusing to townread a bunch of slots, but G5 specifically looks like scum throwing out shade.

[Gentleman 6]

You're not letting jack shit go: I am not letting you survive to the end of the first dance.

[Gentleman 6]

L4, if I leave the dance (proof that I'm town) can you leave the dance after?

[Gentleman 6]

L4, if I leave the dance (proof that I'm town) can you leave the dance after?

[Gentleman 6]

oops

[Gentleman 6]

L4, if I leave the dance (proof that I'm town) can you leave the dance after?

[Gentleman 6]

P-Edit: Then you better out your reason that L8 is town beyond a doubt.

I don't have to out anything. L8's slot alignment is completely independent of mine and completely independent of the quality of my read on you.
You're trying to hide behind shading a slot that's not even mine to discredit my read on you.

[Gentleman 6]

And yeah, I know this town has really questionable reads and I probably can't get you lynched, but I'd like to think that I can get L4 to leave dance on you.

[Gentleman 6]

In your perspective, is losing 3 townies for 1 scum optimal.

Id actually wouldnt mind if L4 takes that deal if L5 flips town.

It's significantly more optimal than not really having any way to get you lynched because everyone's townreading you for no reason.

[Gentleman 6]

Man, I'd really have to just quote his entire ISO because it's a comprehensive read that doesn't hold as much weight unless you look at the entire body of work and the lack of townreads and the amount of shade fired out.

[Gentleman 6]

Ok, here's what I can do. So that it's clear I'm not sugarcoating, I'm only dragging posts from the 3rd quartile of the game.

[Gentleman 6]

Su garcoating is the wrong word: cherrypicking is what I was looking for.

[Gentleman 6]

Sure. L8. L3. L5. L6 before she clearly had reads so bad that she's +equity to townread.

As with G3, his activity and honest posting from the begining was good, and yet I dont want to put him down as town yet. It warrants a closer look later

this was on G3 in the very early game as well.
Also your only townreads (the most important part is contrast) are me, L9 (universal townreads) and the person who has clearly bad reads. And you've hedged on your read on me and made an out to lynch me by shading L8 and you kill L9 by killing the IC so effectively you have no town pairs that you've advocated to go to endgame.

[Gentleman 6]

I’d laugh if 2 mafia members are Gent 5 and Lady 8.

I don't think this is true for the simple reason that the appropriate play if those two are scum together is to use me/Lady 8 as the endgame pairing. Not to bus L8 who is paired with the towniest gentlemen.
I've made mistakes many times in the past looking for busers before I look for simple scum pushing mislynches.

If we kill a few scum in the places I'm expecting there's probably going to be a few pairings that can go to endgame before mine either way though. Assuming we even live intermission.

[Gentleman 6]

Notably I think she's wrong but I understand where she would get that read from.

[Gentleman 6]

Notably I think she's wrong but I understand where she would get that read from.

[Gentleman 6]

If I can get Lady 4 to commit to leaving that will make all this easier. Otherwise I guess I have to try to make a case.
What all that adds up to, G5, is that you have no slots that you are unwilling to lynch and you're trying to use a read on a slot that isn't even mine as a shield against my scumread.

Like, my reads are
G1 is probably town
G2 is town
G3 is probably town
G4 is probably town
G5 is scum
G6 is known town
G7 is probably town
G8 is unknown-scum

L1 is leanscum
L2 is leantown
L3 is unknown
L4 is probably town
L5 is maybe scum with you? idk. i'm not actually trying to read her right now.
L6 is probably town
L7 is leanscum
L8 is -blanked-
L9 is leantown

see how i have townreads?

[Gentleman 6]

like it's not hard to have townreads in this game. a lot of slots have been towny. you're sitting around shading all the people that i'm townreading who aren't so obvtown as to be literally impossible to go after.

except the one person who scumreads a bunch of really terrible people to scumread.

[Gentleman 6]

take back the G1 probably town a bracket I think just because where tf did star wolf go.

[Gentleman 6]

I wanted you to live because I think I L8 is mafia and that makes you town.

Also, Im not scared of what damage you do.

again like where tf did this read even come from if he's not just trying to appease one of the people going after him?

[Gentleman 6]

This is expecting everyone to read the game like you do.

i mean. you could townread different people. that's fine. what i have a problem with is people keeping their options open to lynch essentially any slot.
especially when it involves sniping at my dance partner to make her mislynchable right after you didn't try to pair with me instead.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm saying that you're scum and I'm kinda done wasting my time trying to convince you of it.

[Gentleman 6]

like it's not hard to have townreads in this game. a lot of slots have been towny. you're sitting around shading all the people that i'm townreading who aren't so obvtown as to be literally impossible to go after.

except the one person who scumreads a bunch of really terrible people to scumread.

You're scumreading him because your reads don't align?

Dude. Wait until tomorrow, PLEASE.

Gentleman 6 I'm going to be very honest with you. I don't care less who you do and do not want dead right now. I don't care who you're scum reading. I don't care that you're paranoid. You're acting like a chicken that just lost its head. Your play right now is disruptive and anti-town. Your current moves have been directionless, backless, and vacuous. Sit down and wait until Pre-Dance is done to begin screaming like a child watching his first horror film again, please.

fuck off with this stupid oversimplification of my case on him. if that's all you got from my case, the issue is with you and not me.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not engaging with anyone besides L4.

[Gentleman 6]

Note that G5 is now calling me scum to discredit my push on him since simply calling my scumpartner scum did nothing to deter said push on him.

[Gentleman 6]

Sigh. Dance partner.

[Gentleman 6]

He's just trying to discredit me since calling my dance partner scum doesn't actually prevent me from pushing on him.

[Gentleman 6]

He's just trying to discredit me since calling my dance partner scum doesn't actually prevent me from pushing on him.

[Gentleman 6]

At this point I hope G6 flips scum because hes acting like a hardheaded dick.


At this point I hope G6 flips scum because hes acting like a hardheaded dick.

Same deal.

[Gentleman 6]

I might be biased but I don’t think Mafia would put in that much effort.
IDK I’ll take Gent 5 down to Null for now.

interesting that L5 and G5 both started townreading each other when I went after L5 and both for immensely shitty reasoning.

[Gentleman 6]

went after G5.

[Gentleman 6]

I might be biased but I don’t think Mafia would put in that much effort.
IDK I’ll take Gent 5 down to Null for now.

If Gent 5 is scum like I’m starting to truly think.
It probably went something like this:

“Ok Lady 5 seems bad, maybe I can trick her into siding with me. I don’t think she would leave the dance on me or scum read me”
“Holy shit I don’t think she trusts me enough, but I think Lady 4 does”
“I think I’ll ask Lady 4 out to attempt to earn her trust”
“Ok I got to make sure Lady 5 doesn’t make it to the dance or I could be fucked”

And the more I think of this gives me more of a reason to want to be in the dance phase.

I wanted you to live because I think I L8 is mafia and that makes you town.

Also, Im not scared of what damage you do.

why are you denying townreading her if you're town

[Gentleman 6]

I was agreeing with you up until Gent 5 did the big effort.
Now where’s your effort you read thief?

you townread someone for 1 minute to go through their iso?

[Gentleman 6]

I mean, townreading versus nullreading, sure, but both of you scumreading each other then randomly backing off when it looked like G5 might go down is immensely sketchy and I don't know how you can as town not see that it looks really shitty from where I'm looking that you were both going after each other but then when my reads became threatening you both went all in on L8 scum.

[Gentleman 6]

I wrote the first part, not Gent 5. TF?.

error of how MS quoting works. regardless.

[Gentleman 6]

lol

[Gentleman 6]

can we leave out L5 then lynch G5 please and have a really easy game

[Gentleman 6]

can we leave out L5 then lynch G5 please and have a really easy game

What will you do when I flip town?

kill g5 who is scum and get mad at you for having the most moronic turnaround on an obviously scum slot just because he stopped calling you scum for 30 seconds

[Gentleman 6]

that's correct. you're scum regardless of her alignment. i'm also less willing to full commit to killing her because I'm more sure on you. but her turnaround on you here is something that can never live to endgame so she might as well die now.

[Gentleman 6]

Keep what in mind, that I've been worried about your slot for a long ass time contrary to G4's assertion?

[Gentleman 6]

rofl

the fact that you have to twist me saying "you've been pro-town but I don't actually townread you" as impugning my read on you is a scumclaim.

[Gentleman 6]

rofl

the fact that you have to twist me saying "you've been pro-town but I don't actually townread you" as impugning my read on you is a scumclaim.

[Gentleman 6]

because he's not town and that's really obvious?

[Gentleman 6]

not townposts at all and everything that you're posting is getting progressively stupider and stupider.

[Gentleman 6]

stop wasting my time L5.

[Gentleman 6]

like either this is SvS between L5 and G5 or L5 is a dumbass who instantly townread G5 the moment he extended her the slightest olive branch of a townread.

[Gentleman 6]

Like he's literally shading his CLAIMED TOWNREADS read progression on him to discredit it. Despite the fact that it's really clear that I had doubts on him the whole game.

This really should be a slam dunk with everyone agreeing he's scum right now.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not planning on answering your questions.

I'm just waiting to hear from L4 on whether she's willing to leave dance or if I have to actually get the votes.

[Gentleman 6]

G4 and G2: please be prepared for shit to hit the fan at the dance if L5 is alive or flips town. I hope yall can control the wagons cause we will probably be looking for a 1v1

how did this reverse from you guys not scumreading each other anymore like 2 pages ago again

[Gentleman 6]

I think L5 is town. I would really rather we kill L6, but if L5 -> G8/L1 nabs 1 scum I will be ok with that.

L6 isn't scum.

[Gentleman 6]

@G6
Look, fuckin Look.

God it’s clear that if one of G5/G6 is scum I’m Town.

wtf

you guys are like

making the most

scum v scum posts of all time right now

[Gentleman 6]

@G6
Look, fuckin Look.

God it’s clear that if one of G5/G6 is scum I’m Town.

wtf

you guys are like

making the most

scum v scum posts of all time right now

[Gentleman 6]

jeezus l1 posting is bad

[Gentleman 6]

I'm fine with 1 of L5/L1 sitting.

I am NOT fine with L6 sitting.

Look I’m not going to fake townreads. And scumhunting isn’t leaving hints open to mislynch, it’s trying to find out people’s alignments.

I didn’t snipe. This right here feels like sniping at me though, and you have been for days. You’re not reading what I’ve written in response to your theory, you’re just sniping at me. I didn’t make her muslynchable. I had a theory I acknowledged could be silly. Didn’t even push it. You’re the one keeping it front and forefront by claiming I’m not allowed to scumhunt.

Do you remember the point that I said
I explicitly think that you don't actually feel scummy despite my disliking your read progressions on an intellectual level and that's why I wanted a hood to sort you more directly
I think that G5 is explicitly scummy in his approach. I haven't responded to you because I didn't really have anything to say: I already understood that you could be town with the progressions you had.

I'm not calling you scum, in other words. I think your play has been pro-scum in terms of the sense of having not enough townreads in an absolute sense but that doesn't make you scum.

G5 is scum for more than his lack of townreads and his reluctance to dole out townreads, which is why I am spiritually voting him.

[Gentleman 6]

I’m thinking this game is 2G/1L. I think if L6 isn’t scum, L8’s auto acceptance from nowhere is scum indicative. Would make sense too if 2G/1L.

L8s accept was hasty, but not from nowhere.

How was it not from nowhere?

she literally said 8 or so pages into the game the only person she especially wanted to dance with was me.

[Gentleman 6]

Except that I’m Town so now think of this from my perspective.
Your being a moron RN is what I’m getting at.
Also don’t refuse to answer my questions you better answer them.

@Someone
Can you make sure to re post my post with the questions to G6 if I end up dying from not having a partner.

Man.
I don't want to brute force a lynch on G4. I want to get L4 to do it for me because I don't want to go through all of that hassle.
Do you get that, do you get why I'm not like arguing with everyone's townreads on G5 in thread?

[Gentleman 6]

Except that I’m Town so now think of this from my perspective.
Your being a moron RN is what I’m getting at.
Also don’t refuse to answer my questions you better answer them.

@Someone
Can you make sure to re post my post with the questions to G6 if I end up dying from not having a partner.

Man.
I don't want to brute force a lynch on G4. I want to get L4 to do it for me because I don't want to go through all of that hassle.
Do you get that, do you get why I'm not like arguing with everyone's townreads on G5 in thread?

[Gentleman 6]

Eh honestly that I'd take G8 and leave dance post was towny.

G5 did.

I believe I already answered this at the time.
Their posting was never scummy. It was bad in certain ways, but it didn't feel scum motivated.

[Gentleman 6]

So yeah, I guess I'm left with a preference of 5 being left out.

[Gentleman 6]

You scum read G4?

G5, and very confidently. I townread G4.

[Gentleman 6]

No, that's just a TMI townread L1 lol.

[Gentleman 6]

L6 still isn't scum.

[Gentleman 6]

If I don't survive, can you table your battle with G5 and L5 until G1 G8 and L1 die? I think scum are in a hell of a predicament here if my gut instinct is correct.

If G3 partners with L5 that will leave G1 and G8 alive. One would partner with L1 and the other would let me die by partnering with L2.

If this setup happens, lynch L1 asap please. Then go to your silly squabbles.

Sorry, can't do that. I agree that G8 is somewhat scummy but G5 needs to die.

[Gentleman 6]

Lady 6 using moonlogic is something that would NEVER come from town them :thonk:

[Gentleman 6]

That's a pretty underwhelming nitpick to make here G4

[Gentleman 6]

No, I don’t remember you saying you wanted a hood with me to sort me more directly. What I remember is l4 and l8 expressing interest in pairing with you. And you wanting to pair with l8 but asking me and 4 to advertise ourselves which mademe uncomfortable.

you can think im proscum for not having townreads I don’t have. If I could quicken it up, I would. It’s not fun how long it takes me sometimes. Sometimes it’s quick and that’s glorious. Other times it’s not and I plod.

It's okay! I'll try to read you other ways.

[Gentleman 6]

Did you maybe scum slip RN and your a Team with Lady 6 and you know their real account?

I've been saying that I know people's mains this entire game. I hinted at knowing Firebringer after like his first post by calling him "intimidating" (ie, Arcanine's ability)

Why is this one a scumslip?

[Gentleman 6]

He literally slipped and got removed from the thread, L5.

[Gentleman 6]

Okay if we're entirely abandoning the pretense of this being an anon game, G4, L6 is known for a strong scum game for reasons entirely unbeknownst to me. She's really obvious when she's scum.

[Gentleman 6]

G6 = RC, I guess.

Also I'm flattered, but no.

[Gentleman 6]

It's a new gentleman 4.

[Gentleman 6]

Anyway, I've said what I wanted to say for right now.

Waiting for a response from Lady 4 I guess.

[Gentleman 6]

Ok so I have to case this. yikes.

[Gentleman 6]

That’s actually a smart play.
Get to know your partner so if they are scum you can have a pretty decent idea as to whom their buddies are.

Only works if they don't already know they're in the hot seat.

[Gentleman 6]

That’s actually a smart play.
Get to know your partner so if they are scum you can have a pretty decent idea as to whom their buddies are.

Only works if they don't already know they're in the hot seat.

[Gentleman 6]

"I'll give you town credit for not making a play that automatically kills you as scum"

[Gentleman 6]

I mean, I'm doing it. I'm one of the few pairings that has any chance of being the nightkill: I want G5 dead before I'm dead and I don't think that's an unreasonable ask.

[Gentleman 6]

Fuck off.

[Gentleman 6]

You're effectively fighting against yourself at this point - you're acting so quickly and rashly you counter your own moves before you can make them.

Mafia's not chess, lol.

[Gentleman 6]

Easiest way to deal with that 'distraction' is to lynch the scum half of it.

[Gentleman 6]

L6 is town, so no.

[Gentleman 6]

I've been incredibly uncertain on your alignment all day. I haven't "called you scum".

[Gentleman 6]

I am trying to, like, differentiate my view of L5 and my view of G5. I think that L5 is being absolutely ridiculous in a lot of contexts and has potential to be jump the moon scum. Do I think she's a top scum pick? not really.
I don't think any of the remaining ladies are especially likely to flip scum right now tbqh; I definitely want 2 and 6 to get partners, I'm not strongly invested on whether 1 or 5 end up left out.

Not scum ay?

I think that you and G5's mutual 180s on each other are absolutely absurd and contingent on him flipping scum your slot absolutely must die before the end of the game.
That's different from thinking you are the ball end all of scumminess

[Gentleman 6]

Yeah, everyone should be like me and only talk about their scumreads. I am the pinnacle of pro-town. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance pro-town looks like.

[Gentleman 6]

Yeah, everyone should be like me and only talk about their scumreads. I am the pinnacle of pro-town. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance pro-town looks like.

[Gentleman 6]

I changed my mind and said you said some ok stuff

I just wanted you dead mostly for low content

[Gentleman 6]

I actually vastly prefer having known that Chennis was replaced so I can play around it rather than having no idea what slot Dannflor was representing that then shifted.

What? You’re saying you don’t know what slot Dann was in?

I still don't.

Also I'm not pushing for your exclusion really.

I don't want 6 removed. Between 2 5 1 idrc

[Gentleman 6]

L7 feels better

A lot happier about that pairing now

[Gentleman 6]

But then who are the scums

[Gentleman 6]

Maybe G1 G8 G5 or something

[Gentleman 6]

This is stressful too many people feel town to me

[Gentleman 6]

Even if you townread G5, it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that he's not using "your partner is scum" as a tool to discredit my scumread on him.

I feel bad for L1. She seems like a nice person who deserves a dance.

[Gentleman 6]

I really think y'all should stop shading L8.

I am fine with our slot potentially not being an endgame pairing. I am not fine with being mislynched by scum to protect G5. I'd appreciate it if you would trust in my read on the slot once I get a sorting hood; if scum think I'll never turn on her then they'll have to kill us even if everyone else wrongly scumreads her. At the very least you're not lynching us while G5 is alive and scumreading her willingness to leave dance is kinda poggers.

[Gentleman 6]

L8 is probably scum and G6 is the dummy that doesn’t see it.
It’s possible they could be a SvS team but that would just be LOL.

This is an agenda

[Gentleman 6]

And that's fine

If G5 is town I won't let our pairing anywhere near endgame

But just shut up about it for now because it's against town wincon and very pro scum wincon.

[Gentleman 6]

That's good I'm happy.

[Gentleman 6]

It's pro scum to tell scum that if we're T-T killing her is a bad idea. I don't want to be removed before intermission. I have strong townread pairings that ameliorate my need to go to endgame. You don't need to worry about L8 as an endgame threat. I think I do need to worry about G5 as an endgame threat given how deftly scum shifted the narrative and convinced everyone that L8 being scummy (true or not) discredits my scumread on G5. No one is really discussing G5 being scum, everyone is discussing L8 being scum.

I think L5 should be left out. L1 and L2 have made way more cleanly town indicative posts at this point. I'm not like convinced that L5 is flipping scum but I don't want to see either L1 of L2 dead.

[Gentleman 6]

Or what exactly did you believe me to be doing?

I'm concerned that you're scum with G5 and have been since a very long time ago tbh. Also weren't you the one who said it's literally playing against scum wincondition to S-S pair but now you're saying that I paired with L8 when I literally could have picked any girl?

[Gentleman 6]

I feel like if you're town you're the kind of player who says literally whatever you need to say to push whatever your present reads are even if it contradicts your broader principles and then you get scumread for it. And then eventually meta started to protect you when you kept getting mislynched for bad play, and so you eventually got insulated from the fact that your play ought to have consequences. Make no mistake your play this game has been something else, you've broken site rules repeatedly in two different ways and you've just been kind of like this artistic statement this entire game.

[Gentleman 6]

Like you guys are saying G5s been discussed to death but afaik no one besides me scumreads him still. Everyone is sitting here talking about how L8 is scum and L7 is calling that more productive discussion. It's not really a question if what's protown it's whether you guys agree with what's being discussed, and since no one agrees that G5 is scum trying to call him scum is getting pooh-poohed whereas the L8 is scum circlejerk which is for really questionable reasons even if she is scum is a universal read (who are her buddies exactly? Why aren't they trying to buoy up her slot if she's paired with obvtown) and no one stops to ask themselves what that says about what scum are doing in the game. Whereas if I'm right and G5 is scum it makes complete sense scum are trying to support the L8 scum narrative and shut down discussion of G5 since it can be reasonably assumed that after I'm dead no one scumreads G5 and he has a clean walk to endgame. Doesn't help no one engaged with my actual case on G5 and everyone engaged with reductive strawmen of my actual case.

What I'm saying is that I feel like you guys are thinking very one dimensionally about things and not really trying to understand how I feel or why I feel that way.

[Gentleman 6]

other...like, is there a world where L7, G6, and G5 are all town?

Wow another "hey maybe G5-G6 is TvT" hot take.

[Gentleman 6]

And by hot take I mean literally freezerburned.

[Gentleman 6]

Hey guys I have this totally innovative and original stance get this get this: maybe G5 and G6 are both town and L8 is scum? Dae? I'm so original xD uwu owo desu ne

[Gentleman 6]

Also people alt guessing me as RC when RC is literally in this game is incredibly amusing to me.

[Gentleman 6]

I mean I wanted to pretend to be Dannflor but he got himself force replaced so I couldn't convincingly pretend to be him anymore. It was actually such a sad moment.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not convinced that if you haven't read him as scum so far the solution is to not push him and you don't believe that either: you just don't want to lynch him and that's fine but be honest to yourself and me about it.

[Gentleman 6]

Why lady 5?

[Gentleman 6]

This game is depressing

I have no idea how people like Lady 4 have said they are enjoying this game.

[Gentleman 6]

Who is the last gent again? L1

[Gentleman 6]

Lol

[Gentleman 6]

But you won't call him scum anymore lol

[Gentleman 6]

Am I the only person who thinks G5 is scum

Because if so I'll just leave and wash my hands of the game

[Gentleman 6]

I'm giving up on this game tbh.

[Gentleman 6]

I'll just leave at start of dance. Still think G5 is scum. L8 flipping scum makes me think that even more so.

I'm going to do other things, later.

[Gentleman 6]

As soon as G5 stops voting her, he becomes town.
As soon as G8's survival is pinned to hers, he becomes town as well.

I'm sick of L5's posting to be honest and I really wish they died.

I would like to believe they're scum because if they're town then wow.

[Gentleman 6]

so we all in agreement to send Lady 5 and Gent 8 to the shadow realm asap?

You mean Lady 4 and Gent 5

[Gentleman 6]

WHETHER L8 IS SCUM OR NOT

HAS ABSO FUCKING LUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CORRECTNESS OF MY READS AND YOU AND G5 HAVE SPENT THIS WHOLE GAME ATTACKING MY READS BY CALLING MY PARTNER SCUM. NO.

I DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY MY READ ON L8 TO HAVE READS ON OTHER PEOPLE.

[Gentleman 6]

Fuck this stupid game seriously.

[Gentleman 6]

Pre leaving dance when it starts.

[Gentleman 6]

What is this going to accomplish? You're acting like a child taking your ball and going home because everyone *might* not do what you want exactly when you want it.

It's not taking my ball and going home, it's going home and leaving everyone else their ball if I no longer play a game which is perfectly reasonable and you're one of the slots who thinks that L8 is scum over your partner so I'm not sure why you'd be complaining about it?

Please don’t yell at me, but I haven’t noticed anyone basically saying your reads suck because l8 is scum or at least I haven’t interpreted it that way. But if that’s happening, and please not today do it when dance starts, point out to me where that is happening and I will try to understand where you’re coming from. Make another post to me like you did in 2422, and I won’t try anymore. Maybe you don’t care or want me as a soundboard and that’s fine. I can’t promise to agree, but I will listen and try to understand, but my patience in how I’m talked to is not infinite.

It's what G5 and L5 and L3 have been doing for several pages.
I point out that something that G5 is doing is scummy, they respond by saying that L8 is scum and pointing out some really level zero reason to scumread them.
They're not even saying my reads suck because of my L8 read they're literally just trying to get past me and lynch my partner despite my being obvtown and then I don't have a voice anymore.
And since I can't get people to concede that G5 is scum, hell, I can't get people to even actually respond to my case rather than a distorted as fuck oversimplification of my case, he's definitely not dying after that.
My case has been distilled to "oh G5 disagrees with you on reads, that's not a scumtell!", "G5 scumreads people who I also scumread, that's not a scumtell!", "I also don't have a single townread, that's not a scumtell!"

Like it's not people listening to my case and saying no you're wrong it's people not giving enough of a shit about my case to actually read it, understand it, and respond appropriately.

People are townreading G5 so they

do not give a fuck

what I say about him. It's all wrong because it disagrees with their reads and all that matters is explaining to me why I'm wrong.

If I am dead by morning, I would be wary of people going after a weaker player to actually get rid of their stronger partner. I would imagine that is the work around the no night kill.

Yes, this is what's happening. I can't be lynched or pushed on to silence me, but if they call my partner L8 scum they get to silence me without having to actually address my case on G5 or argue that I'm scum.

[Gentleman 6]

I've tried to convince people. I have upwards of 100 posts explaining why G5 is playing the game from a scum point of view. You're acting like I haven't explained why I'm scumreading him.

[Gentleman 6]

I THOUght out were townreading l2, and now it reads like you’re positioning to call her scum to save yourself.

I think it's human nature in this situation.

[Gentleman 6]

She literally pre-accepted. What an amazing thing to shade someone over.

[Gentleman 6]

Eh im just creating conversation, dont mind me.

Is scumposting synonymous with creating conversation these days?

[Gentleman 6]

She literally pre-accepted. What an amazing thing to shade someone over.

She did express approval of the pairing iirc though? So the question's still valid.

ok

[Gentleman 6]

not ok as in i agree with you, just ok.

[Gentleman 6]

I wonder why?

[Gentleman 6]

There's always an incorrect or a less correct choice. Even if you both are town, one of you is going to positively influence town wincondition more than the other.

[Gentleman 6]

But letting G1 make the choice singlehandedly seems odd, if there is a less correct choice to make. Especially considering he won’t have enough time to properly think about the game before deadline

Truthfully I doubt that G1 shows up before deadline and I doubt that G1's pairing ever ends up being an endgame consideration.

[Gentleman 6]

That is my expectation.

[Gentleman 6]

Eh im just creating conversation, dont mind me.

Say someone did something scummy = Creating conversation.

:/ *Thonk*

To be honest I knew G8 was going to take you because hes either shitty town or uncaring mafia.

I know you auto accept to live but I was just curious if there was anything else to why you would accept it instead of waiting to see what G1 does.

very strange post

[Gentleman 6]

I was beating Riot Mortdog in teamfight tactics

[Gentleman 6]

I've been leaving this account logged in while I'm otherwise occupied for this entire game thread and then coming back to it when I have a chance. Why is that suddenly scummy now?

[Gentleman 6]

L5 is arguably the least enjoyable player that I have ever played with.

[Gentleman 6]

I don't recognize this movie. Am I Al Capone?

[Gentleman 6]

bad question

[Gentleman 6]

VOTE: Lady 4

[Gentleman 6]

everyone who is willing to vote that pairing pls say yea or nay

if there's no support i'll just leave now and save the trouble so don't bother voting lady 5 or whoever

[Gentleman 6]

who wants to play mad libs with me the dance game edition

[Gentleman 6]

i will leave if anyone who isn't you guys gets to l-2

[Gentleman 6]

in terms of chronological time or in terms of game time

[Gentleman 6]

yes

[Gentleman 6]

Will you promise me unequivocally that you will not leave the dance if I kill myself?

Even if G5 flips town?

Does this mean that if, in late game, I think that L8 is more likely scum than another pairing that I consider T-T I'm obligated not to leave? Because that's not an acceptable term.
I won't leave early after G5 dies because the entire point of leaving is to make a point shrug emoticon.

[Gentleman 6]

I dunno. None of the ways that G5 interacts with slots feels towny. The way he pushed L5, G3, etc., the way he shades people, it doesn't feel like town trying to sort it feels like scum trying to attack people.
That hasn't changed, I don't think any of his recent posting is any better, I think that he's scum, and I don't actually think L5 is all that likely to flip scum nor is G8 either.

I think that this is a game where all the scum are doing better than everyone wants to think that they are and we really can't afford to lynch the slots from most to least lynchbaity.
My read on the current gamestate is that any scum lynch would currently be unpopular. Take that how you will.

[Gentleman 6]

And not just unpopular because scum are going to prevent it, unpopular because town are scumreading townies doing stupid things and townreading scum playing scum effectively.

[Gentleman 6]

L9 you really need to be doing more than you're doing. The game hasn't coped well with your absence.

[Gentleman 6]

L9 you really need to be doing more than you're doing. The game hasn't coped well with your absence.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not literally beyond a shadow of a doubt 100% certain that G5 is scum but I'm fairly confident. What I am 100% sure on is that crowdsourcing reads and lynching like L5 pairing -> L6 pairing -> whatever is just going to flip a shit ton of town.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm going to verify every single read again tomorrow or Tuesday but as of right now I think that {G1, L3, G5, G7, L8, G8, G9} contains all the scum.

[Gentleman 6]

Lynches of pairs.

[Gentleman 6]

I would like to. For G5, not for L4.

[Gentleman 6]

There's the lynch on L5/G8 which I understand why people are pushing for and am okay with and I don't think that the pairing, like,

never

flips scum.
But I don't really see it as a priority lynch because it doesn't make endgame, I think we are going to get fuck all info wise from a G8 scum flip, and I'm scared if G8 does flip scum it'll entrench people in their views of the gamestate and if it flips double town no one will really think much of it so I just don't think it's a productive lynch?

[Gentleman 6]

Like the best reason to lynch them here is so that I don't have to read L5's posts anymore. And that sounds mean but I don't really think much of being mean to someone who has played against site rules constantly.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm really not understanding the hostility towards me saying that we should probably leave if no one wants to lynch G5.
It's coming entirely from people who overlap in holding two positions:

1) L8 is at the very least above average scum (in some cases, super heavy scumreads).
2) G5 is almost certainly not scum.

So, if I'm only pushing your townreads and I'd be bringing down potential scum with me, why the objection to me leaving?
Like if you're going to make posts about wanting me around to give reads and stuff... you have my reads

now

and you're not doing anything about them now, so what's going to change exactly?

[Gentleman 6]

Bullshit. You bc can do it.

I think I know who L5 is and who he'd invite. :/

I highly doubt you know this person.

I am her sooo.... Just play the game. Either town it up so you can partner with G3 or take your shot.

I'm trying to do both.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Fakegod, can we just remove L5 from play for outside game influence? This whole conversation seems... icky

Yeah I’ll get her to replace in if she’s willing.

Idk, this just doesnt seem right. Idk

L1:

accept you are a sit candidate because of your slots activity. You have a hill to climb. I would start with some reads and which gentleman you want to court

She usually pushed really hard so if anyone would be her it would be Lady 2 but as I said I doubt she is playing in this game.

Stop it.

I really don't think Gentleman 5 talks about having L5 modkilled like their alignment is in question. I don't think he talks about anyone like alignments are in question.
I don't think he has ever made a single post that felt the slightest bit curious about anyone else in the game's alignments, just talks about people that have to go and that he wants to lynch.

His trying to discourage me from seeking replacement when I threatened to speedleave in the second phase doesn't look good to me either, particularly given that he attacked me in the same post.
Feels like he was just trying to goad me into leaving for the simple reason that there's no longer a vocal person going after him. Especially since no one else SRs him.

[Gentleman 6]

Not that I threatened to replace, to be clear, it was in reaction to someone else telling me to replace out (yes discussing replacements is against the rules but I'm not discussing replacements right now I'm discussing other people discussing replacements, and if even that is problematic enough to warrant action then action should have already been taken against multiple slots this game.)

[Gentleman 6]

I'm really sad that L1 died because she was the only person posting anything thoughtful in the last very long time.

[Gentleman 6]

Honestly add L2 to the potential scum list. L1 was way better.

[Gentleman 6]

Funny how I came to case G5 and ended up saying so little about him and so much about stuff only tangentially related to him but eh. That's all for now, folks!

[Gentleman 6]

L2 never gave that G5 reread she's been promising for a while.

[Gentleman 6]

Would be a very shrewd scum decision to sit back and wait to see just how much momentum the wagon gets before she decides whether she wants to join in. Or maybe she's just busy. Who knows. Not me. I never lost control.

[Gentleman 6]

My list of potential scum doesn't include probabilities by the way. I think it's highly likely that even if L8 is scum, we still very very likely have T-T pairings in

G7/L7
G3/L6
G6/L8* (we'll see)
G2/L9* (we'll see, where tf is L9)

Not citing posts right now but I felt like there was sudden shade directed at G7 in the same way as L8 which says to me that that's another T-T pairing that scum are scared of and are trying to prevent it from being an endgame pairing.

Yeah, I'm discussing townreads. The argument can be made that it's suboptimal but I don't think I'll live past intermission regardless so I'm going to start PoEing the game.

[Gentleman 6]

Okay, now that's all. Later.

[Gentleman 6]

Townreading G5 sort of boggles my mind.

[Gentleman 6]

Guys it's not about actually wanting to die, it's about looking town by asking to die because scum doesn't suicide

G6 told L4 that he wants to die first, then when he flips town, suicide.
L8 said she wants us to die first.

Hmmmm?

Okay?

G6 is willing to die to get me killed because he thinks Im scum.

But L8 wants L4 to suicide, saying she will go afterwards.

If what you said about L8 is true in 2351, theres a discrepancy between L8 and G6.

G5-L4 should suicide and then G6 can suicide our pair.

kthx.

L4, if I leave the dance (proof that I'm town) can you leave the dance after?

L3, Im saying I think G6 is actually willing to die to prove Im scum.

It doesnt look like L8 shares the same sentiment. I dont think shes willing to die first. I dont think shes willing to die at all.

This is all I need.

VOTE: L8/G6

L8, you should prove how “town” you are and leave.

L5/G8 is autolynched after either me or L8 dies.

DO NOT FORGOT THAT

I regret signing up for this game.

You can do something about it right now

I went from not 100% sure whether this was scum (like 75-80%) or not to pretty damn sure in the space of about 20 seconds.
Does anyone in this game actually believe this is something that town!G5 says to someone that they're scumreading? really? REALLY?
From the shitty ass shade on L5 for accepting something she auto accepted to the terrible shade on G3 for not wanting a partner that was significantly townier than he was to not bog them down to this it's like...

They're literally open wolfing, solely pushing scum wincondition without making a modicum of effort to pretend that they're town, and somehow getting townread for it. like.

If I am dead by morning, I would be wary of people going after a weaker player to actually get rid of their stronger partner. I would imagine that is the work around the no night kill.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Like if I actually have to suicide to get this slot lynched (and btw now I'm sure of it, L8 flips town) I'll do it. But I shouldn't have to suicide to get obvscum lynched.

[Gentleman 6]

Like he's not even pretending to have some sort of thought process involving what anything flips. Have you noticed that only one single time this game has he talked about people's flips and that was saying that L5/L8 was SvT (for no reason, no less)?
Does any of this recent posting feel like he's in a position whereby actual flips are going to happen that might be a thing he expects and might not be and that he has to react to later?

Jesus christ gentlemen and ladies.

[Gentleman 6]

I dont want to lead town.

Funny because you're trying to hard drive four mislynches right now.

[Gentleman 6]

I dont want to lead town.

Funny because you're trying to hard drive four mislynches right now.

[Gentleman 6]

And if you guys lose late game because you don't have enough obvtown pairings post nightkill and scum end up winning, don't blame me for leaving, blame yourselves for needing to see L8's town flip to see that G5 is scum.

[Gentleman 6]

"its subjective"

Your role PM isn't.

[Gentleman 6]

Has this guy noticed he shows honest doubt that L8 is town, why L8 continues to call him obvtown?
Its obvious G6’s mentality comes from a town standpoint, you can not say the same about L8.

Also this is so fucking stupid lol I've been bleeding obvtown the entire game no shit L8 townreads me????????????????
no one else in this game is doubting their town read on me?????????????

you guys think this is an actual town case??