Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[skitter30]

@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way which is why i'm so exhasperated for the calls for my head when all I've done is drop in and say hi.

meh this is kinda townie, actually

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i mean, she hasn't posted. and i've seen her flake outright from many games before. it's not like she's ignoring it and still posting, she just hasn't been here.

wrt bella?
i meant more i kinda wish the wagon lasted long enough for her to react to when she got back; i wasn't like inherently calling out her activity or saying that she was ignoring things, i just feel like the wagon didn't last long enough

[skitter30]

I want to get into my skitter trajectory but it will make the most sense to Skitter so I'll wait on that.

RC I planned on largely ignoring but has a fair amount of scum equity. He's not a lynch today because of the claim (scummy imo) and if he does night 1 I'll eat my hat.

yeah, i'd like to hear this wrt me

wrt rc i basically treat any claims he makes as noise, it's the same as what i do for fl
easier to just not take it into account becuase they both will make stuff up if they think it's beneficial

[skitter30]

My gut says to wagon RC but at the same time I realize how completely antitown that is.

yeah let's just like ... not
if he's still alive day3 and he hasn't found scum we can deal with it then, i don't want to do this today

[skitter30]

Then you're actually too bad to play mafia

sigh

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VOTE: ico

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not sure who you're talking about ?

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ok then

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sounds good

y r u townreading ico ?

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i like both plum/tris independantly, but i've been getting plum/tris vibes together, which might be a weird thing to say, but there you go

[skitter30]

the first several pages do feel rather partner-y imo

if it's plum/tris i don't see ari being scum too

i literally have no thoughts on xtoxm and kinda think he's blowing this off but idk if that's ai for him

[skitter30]

ya i wasn't sure if you meant me or not lol

yeah in that trio i think ari is least likely scum

i can see plum/tris tho

plum i was likely earlier i think but she kinda like disappeared and i'm forgetting why i'm townreading her

tris had like individual posts that were townie but it wasn't like ~holistically~ enough to raise her above null really, if you know what i mean

[skitter30]

if that's all you get from skitter, then that means she's probably scum. I find that when she's town, she has a little extra that comes through. that said, i think i saw a bit of town early on, but i'm not sure. it will of course be more clear when i've seen her post more.

(i'm doing a few things at the same time sorry)

ya i didn't like this because it sounded like she was trying to make people paranoid of me

[skitter30]

Like you're within rights to not like it but this is taking my words overly literally imo
Even if you scumread this as town I think you scumread it more deeply/broadly rather than for this nitpicky 'contradiction'
like I don't think as town the first thing you get out of this post is 'well technically skitter aint leadin SHIT'

i actually don't inherently object to this but we don't have to get into this one rn

[skitter30]

ya we can do this
VOTE: tris

the first few pages do seem partner-y with plum

not sure if i have a good feel for who a third would be rn besides for, like, not ari

[skitter30]

i kinda read it as her pointing out that you were trying to pick a fight with me

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i feel like she may have been trying to rile up the spat again actually

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well i think that even like sparking a town!rc v town!skitter p2 would be a win for scum, even if neither of us ended up lynched

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ya

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was hoping to see if pushing him on scumreading MathBlade while accusing Ari of trying to pocket MathBlade as scum would tempt Ari to overcommit and show his hand (actually this was primarily hito's brilliant plan) but Flopz's subsequent posts and the more general Townread that formed on him (again, which I am inclined to agree with) kind of dumped that as a play.

This is the best part od plum's post and is kinda townie imo

I'm starting to become lowkey creeped out tho that everyone is kinda coalescing on the same general readlslist. Like either scum is like just the lurkers or are super happy with the current gamestate and idk how to tell which it is rn

[skitter30]

What really scares people is not the artificial intelligence in the computer, but the natural intelligence they see in the mirror.

Do you have a post restriction?

Not considered normal these days i think

No idea what teacher is saying

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Like either scum is like just the lurkers or are super happy with the current gamestate and idk how to tell which it is rn

Thing is

even 1 flip going not the way you expect it to speaks to something being awry, no?

It's not like we have to wait til D4 for answers

Fair, it's just making me feel ~wary~
If my boss shows up i'll have to bounce btw

[skitter30]

Flopz literally did not just drop in and say hi to begin with
If that's what flopz did I'd be ok with it

It's how pissed/exasperated he is at being sr and how he's expressing it that's towni
Still dont leave xtoxm

[skitter30]

I wrote xtoxm but i meant to say ico

It xtoxm too

Rc you said something about him purposefully avoiding you or something?

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Ok then i think i'm not going to particularly worry about him rn

[skitter30]

Good god i'm starting to hate my job

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That vote was fine imo

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Or more accurately, literally nai

[skitter30]

I've had nothing productive to do in like nearly a month and i'm slowly going out of my mind with boredom

Apparently i'm just supposed to sit here and stare at the ceiling for like 8.5 hours a day. One day fine ... a month ...starting to go nuts.

[skitter30]

Like i'm slowly running out of ways to even occupy myself, i literally have nothing to do

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The thing is that i kinda largely agree with his reads tho
Where do u differ?

He did overeact yesterday tho, yeah

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@implosion can you prod tris plz?

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Does he really choose me as the person to try to make mislynchable tho?

Like his vote was bad but i think he knows as well as i do that it wasnt going to actually become viable. Unless you're just saying that was scum!him finding a way to votepark but wouldnt he try to find someone who wouldnt kick up a fuss about it?

[skitter30]

I get your point but he had to know that there were safer people to do that with

It was a p bad vote tho

Would lowkey make sense with how he wouldnt talk about it for like 3 irl days tho

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I mean ....
You realize that sounds slightly asinine to me if you're town, right?

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No, i dont get the difference

Explain why it's scummy for him to have done that when you literally tried pulling that on me 3 days ago

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And you do know I was always planning on unvoting you if I became sure you were town right?

Do I have to say that?

That is not how you presented it, no

[skitter30]

I dont get the difference and this is a ridiculous double standard

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You tried to pl me but it's a problem for tw to suggest pl'ing you ?

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This probably isnt a convo i want to have rn but that is asinine, sorry

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Rc you're basically saying that it's ok for you to force pls on either people but if anyone suggest it on you it's a reason for you to sr them

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Yeah it's ridiculously hypocritical if you're town here
And it makes me think pl'ing me is something you would try to do as scum if you're sr'ing someone else for doing that

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I dont have a catalogue of all of his games in my head but in all the games that i'm aware of i dont remember him doing that as either alignment

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I'm not entirely sure this is a convo i can have without getting pissed again

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But to summarize: i dont think most people weaponize toxicity, even as scum

And it makes me feel better to try not to ascribe motivations like that to people so i just dont really want to weigh that data point

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Sigh

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We're giving tw a pass day1and we'll pick up with him tom
We're letting rc try to find scum day1 and we'll pick up with him tom if he isnt dead

Can we just stop it now please ...

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Tw can u get eddie to tell me why ico is town?
I kinda want to circle back there

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Sigh

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VOTE: ico

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I can't stop you mislynching today but I can say that you really, really, really need to put some faith in me once I'm flipped town.

And by the way, you can't figure out if I'm finding scum or not if you don't vote my scumreads.

Fine

VOTE: ari

[skitter30]

Rc if i listen to you and they flip town and you're alive tomorrow i'm probably going to be tunneling you, just fair warning

[skitter30]

Ugh, I liked skitters post and then he voted for ico.

I'm a she btw

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Also tell eddie i say hi tw

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i thought voting skitter at the time was actually kinda spicy. :/

Not really

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I'm going to pretend that this argument is not happening, i think

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Sigh

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we're not lynching either of u so can we just like ... stop now?

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if ari flips scum and you're dead i will heavily take your read into acct, yes

if ari flips town and you're not dead i'm tunneling you tomorrow

[skitter30]

i don't want to sort/wagon/lynch/deal with either of you today

both of you are more like ~day2~ kinda people and picking this fight here rn is not helping anything

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i'm going to be honest and say that i haven't really read any of the posts in the like last two pages

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so let's just do ari and keep the thread non-toxic, ty

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if/when either of you flip i promise to look this over again keeping your alignment in mind but this is not an argument i want to wade through in the moment

[skitter30]

Alright. I WILL be able to fully catch up a few hours from now. In the meantime does anyone have anything they want to say to me right now?

yes, what are your thoughts on like, life, the universe, and everything

esp. your thoughts on all of like {tw ari plum xtoxm ico}

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Skitter30 I knew right away was going to be a strong townie: I was very caught off guard by her being a respected scum player but given the caliber of her early scum games I feel like I'm justified in that.

ya i'm p surprised at that how turned out too

i feel like i had a couple of surprisingly good scumgames that nobody was expecting out of me and that's why i won dc last year

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i like those times where i 'punch above my weightclass' so to speak and people aren't/weren't expecting it out of me

like that time i caught scum!thor and i bickered with him for like 3 irl weeks till he gave up and nk'd me

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he was just legimately caught and somewhat surprised that i was actually winning in the court of public opinion and that he couldn't just like ... get me lynched and that i just kept going

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really fucking weird, ngl

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75137
this one ^

i have a lot more sympathy for you now than i used to, i think

also don't post while driving, bad rc !

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i am thinking about playing under a random anon alt just to see what it's like

problem is that idk how to untwine my reads from my meta impressions of people, which is slightly difficult

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Mathblade is town btw, in case that wasnt blindingly obvious ^

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I dont know what we're supposed to do until sunday

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I owe Skitter a post. The long and short is that coming off catching you in Port Arthur and again in PFUP I kind of expected Town!Skitter to engage with me earlier without me having to throw down suspicion. Knowing that it might take a little time but I generally have a lock read on Skitter on day 1 going all the way back to that judgement something game (forgot the name) with Ausuka and Umlaut as scum.

I think gauging how I read Skitter is also a good way to catch scum!me since giving me leeway to waffle my read there indicates an agenda on my end and Skitter would be aware of that.

I kind of had to seek Skitter out after throwing out a fos and it had me worried till the Skitter/RC interaction put it back on track.

I think you have a very interesting, but wrong, thought process as to how to read me wrt how much i engage you

Or to be blunt, i think you've given a lot more thought as to how i would engage you as either alignment than i have

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loving the flavour, @implo

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VOTE: ari

That’s L-2 I believe.

So, does this vote creep out anyone else, or is it just me ???

I dont understand the teacher trs rn ....

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UNVOTE:

If we're waiting till sunday i would prefer to take a lolhammer off the table

I'm literally trying not to read rc/tw any more rn btw

I am starting to get tw/ico pings

Also xtoxm is still being useless

[skitter30]

Actually
VOTE: teacher

[skitter30]

You're welcome to follow up on it though

Yes, thank you for your permission

Thia day has been fucking exhausting

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Mathblade is town btw, in case that wasnt blindingly obvious ^

why am i in your scumpool

B/c i dont tr u

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A50 is actually reading the game now and he thinks ari is town fwiw as of pg7

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I don't suppose Eddie/my comments were persuasive?

I didnt actually read them due to the ~argument~ but i shall take a look a little later and get back to u

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Rc when this game is over i think we're going to need to have another talk about the differences in how we approach this game

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Rc what do u even want to be happening rn?

You're preferred lynch is at l-2 and we're not hammering him cuz u wanna wait till sunday

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*your big oof

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could he expand on what's townpinged him? i strongly strongly feel that we should let ari kinda do his thing rather than plynch him to ...? try and sort rc off his flip ...? and i keep ranting to cancel food about it and generally they agree

He referenced a bunch of specific posts and it's the kind of thing that's easier to review/relay over on a pc

[skitter30]

I kinda just want to end this day at this point ngl

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@skit I’ll be around later tonight if you want to chat about anything. I get it, but tbh just don’t care to be in this lobby much this week. I feel like I’ve gotten what I’m going to get and am fine w the flip. If that doesn’t make sense to you, not sure I can add much but happy to try.

Yeah ok i kinda get it at this point.

I kinda want to circle back to this once current drama has been resolved because i'm not super confident in my read od you rn

[skitter30]

I'd be really interested in seeing A50's pings on early town!ari?

Give me like ~2 hours

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Rc at this point my thouhts are:

I just want this day to be over already if lynching ari is what it takea then fine whatever i dont actually sr him but it's the most expedient route to making this gamestate playable a50 is actually reading and thinks ari is town so let me at least give him the courtesy of relaying that to the masses

[skitter30]

Nobody on my team has read past like p12

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to summarize a50's reads thru like p15
(i'd only like vaguely skimmed before but i actually read them in detail now):

-> he likes math for trying to progress the game out of rvs
-> he thinks ari's lolmeming / tone in early game is good
-> like's ari's 70 (didn't say why tho)
-> thinks plum/tris are not svs and that plum's posting is vapid (i'm changing the wording a bit so i'm not copy-pasting etc)
-> thinks plum is scum off of 169
-> baffled by rc's sr of ari in 184
-> doesn't like plum's vote on ari in 209
(i also didn't check that the post numbers are correct, i'm just listing the posts he cites)
-> doesn't like tw voting ari without a strong read there since a50 doesn't think ari responds to those sorts of pushes on him in an ai way

[skitter30]

if you're all bending to RC's will with this lynch rather than lynching it because you think Ari is scum... stop please?

i don't know how else to fix the gamestate tho

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you guys want me to hammer this so we we can get on with it y/n

unfortunately i think it's the best way to reset and resolve the current situation, yeah

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rc just like ... i really hope you're right because if you're not tomorrow is going to be another clusterfuck

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fine

we should ideally be trying to get a claim too but like yeah

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*looks at thread*

*nopes the fuck out*

*thinks ari's ate is probably townie*

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i'm around i just don't want to interact with like any of this rn

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at this point ari is almost like a proxy for the tw/rc thing

and if he's town i'd think rc is scum pushing a tw/rc narrative
and if he's scum i'd tw was trying to defend him

[skitter30]

i will also say that this has done a remarkable job of warping the gamestate and i really think everyone needs to like ~calm down~ and that i'm going to be able to approach this with a clearer head after night, i think

and i think most people kinda feel the same way at this point

[skitter30]

has he ever like done that as scum even ...?

so he's scum and just like sowing associatives with ari as a big massive distraction
he just gets lynched here eventually tho so what's the point

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like what tw gets lynched first and is setting up ari to go after him ?
i mean ... there's gotta be an easier way to get town!ari mislynched than this, right?

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so he's scum and just like sowing associatives with ari as a big massive distraction
he just gets lynched here eventually tho so what's the point

If Ari flips town and I flip town no one lynches Duckling after.

uh no i think tw is probably next in that universe

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i will also say that this has done a remarkable job of warping the gamestate and i really think everyone needs to like ~calm down~ and that i'm going to be able to approach this with a clearer head after night, i think

and i think most people kinda feel the same way at this point

Hence why I want the focus on Ari.

We need a lynch that isn’t the drama of RC/tw to avoid stagnation.

i think it was probably a townie pop-in?

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cuz if you're town we go back and look at the points you brought up when we're not embroiled in a 2day long 1v1 wherein anybody talking about it liable to continue it

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also ari i hope everything is ok at work, that sounds brutal <3

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rc's been talking about him like non-stop for the past like 3 irl days, anytime he pops in rc is probably talking about him

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like what tw gets lynched first and is setting up ari to go after him ?
i mean ... there's gotta be an easier way to get town!ari mislynched than this, right?

I think the idea is he's setting me up to fall.

so tw -> you via making ari look like a partner ?
yeah i'm not sure how viable of an idea that is tbh

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also ari i hope everything is ok at work, that sounds brutal <3

This.

What do you make of Bella?

i think she's scummy but the voices in my head (specifically jjh) tell me she's townie and that we shouldn't lynch her
amrun had a read too but i'm forgetting it off the top of my head
but i think townie also

[skitter30]

whoo 2000 post-day1

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{math}
{rce}
{ari}
{flopz, bella}
{xtoxm} - null
{teacher, ico} (teacher baffled by the tr's, i still need to look at eddie's town!ico)
{plum, tris} (idk if they make sense together)

i don't have nearly enough tr's that i feel good about rn

wasn't sure whether or not to give ari his own line or to put him with flopz/bella, they're both just barely above null

[skitter30]

b/c i don't tr him yet and i find it alarming

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ari vote was scary too

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eh maybe scum!ico just takes the ari mislynch when he can unless they're literally just partners

be back shortly

[skitter30]

These two posts here stand out to me. They are major town pings to me. In addition to what I have commented on.

i actually hated his sr on me there and i don't think that the first post is particularly ai

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and i'm trying not to teamread rn

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Skitter she wants to know why you're tring Flopz and RcE

flopz for how pissed he was at being scumread before he actually played, he seemed really disappointed

i don't actually know why i tr rce
i kinda liked how he approached me, it seems congruent with how he's read me in the past
(although i think he overthought how i would think about it lol)

i'm going to be honest and say that my mind is kinda drawing a massive blank wrt large portions of this game rn and i can't think of anything else he's done off of the top of my head that i liked, just that i liked them
when it comes back to me i will let u know

[skitter30]

who do u wanna lynch today?

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@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way which is why i'm so exhasperated for the calls for my head when all I've done is drop in and say hi.

maybe i'm just very bad with ate but this struck me as townie ^
it's not a super strong read but i don't wnt to go there rn

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NSG also specifically thinks RCE/Teacher have SvS looking associatives which I somewhat agree with having had it brought up and they're also the slots outside of my listed scumpool which I think I individually have the highest odds of having read incorrectly due to having abandoned a previous scumread on RcE and having given Teacher a very easy scumread.

huh i actually think that rce's early tr on teacher was anti-associative tbh

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who do u wanna lynch today?

Part of me wants Ari because it gives a lot of answers we need, but that should wait until Ari responds.

Assuming Ari is town and/or not being lynched I honestly would have to see why.

If I am forced to lynch in RC or worst then I begrudgingly vote RC but that’s only if can’t talk about other reads.

i guess roughly where i'm at ^
i would probably pick tw over rc today if gun-to-head i was forced to but i don't really want to pick a fight in that rn

also i need to sleep soon

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i am very bad with ate, yeah
i usually need to like reread things with an irl delay
at the time i read it i thought it was very townie when i checked over his iso rn it didn't look/feel as townie as it did in real time

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I agree with you btw

Teacher is the scumread I most think is liable to be correct

we can push teacher

yes let's just drop the tw/ari thing until ari gets back on sunday

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Also i'm starting to become a wee bit paranoid that i'm being buddied/pocketed given how i think literally everyone is townreading me
And how people are talking to me on this page

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Yeah i've only been able to keep up because it's been slow as anything at work recently

I'm kinda at the point where lynching ari is the best way to underail ths gamestate

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i'm not going to impose my reads on you so like. in order to have a more productive conversation, i'll try and work outside of us... is there somewhere else where you feel like you have high pocket equity?

I mean atm you two, you're both trying to appeal to me to get me to side with u p strongly

And in general i think that town!me is the easiest read rn so i'm a little wary of all the townreads

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VOTE: ari

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Are we just waiting for tom at this point?

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i like iconeum's iso. looks pretty natural

Do u have like ... broader thoughts at this point or

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Oh tom being sunday if that wasnt clear

Yeah so kinda waiting for ari then

Going to point out how fucked this gamestate is again

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if you're waiting for me i have nothing new to say beyond for 'i am Not Happy about how this dayphase has went down'

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and that most of what i really want to say is probably better said in post

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rc i've tried again and again and again and again to try to not do that, and i think it's more than a little bit unfair to complain that that's the reaosn the gamestate is fucked rn

pedit more posts appeared

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You and Mathblade are weapons that scum are using against town right now

yeah ok if this is where we're going i'm bouncing again

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rc we established like 5 irl days ago that we were giving tw a pass today for irl reasons

i see no reason to change that

and then when your fight happened i just ... completely lost interest in sorting either of u today, while this thing was ongoing, because talking about it at all just set off another round of this

i said i would look at him tomorrow, and if you die overnight i promise to take into account your reasoning for scum!him

if you're scum ya did a great job fucking the gamestate over and demotivating like everyone from playing

and if you're town ya gotta remember that other other people can form reads too, right?
like i know you're rc and that you've got nsg

but, like, other people have valid inputs too and getting steamrolled for days on end is exhausting

i only ended up on ari in the first place because you badgered me about it.
i said repeatedly that i didn't think he was scum but ya kept pushing me so i just gave in because i didn't have it in me to keep bickering about it
and now you've completely reversed course, right back to where i started off, after nearly lynching him

so like ... i don't even know what you want from me anymore

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I'm not saying you're a bad player, far from it.

But your brain just shuts off when I am involved.

yeah, ok, this isn't fair either
and i think my play this game runs completley counter to this statement so

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i'm kinda thinking tm might be a last hurrah and that i'm going to take a break after

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Is your previously given readslist still accurate

was this at me?

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VOTE: plum
fine

you get a day, and if you lead us all over ye old mislynch cliff i am 4000% tunneling you tomororw

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So like if you think I was bussing Ari and got cold feet ig I can't help either of you but I'm willing to follow Skitters reads (not just because -Skitter-, I agree with them, Plum and Tris are my 2nd and 4th most likely scumflips)

maybe i have decent reads sometimes, who knew ?

[skitter30]

Please don't assume that I don't respect you because I act like I don't respect you, as little sense as that makes on the surface.

i mean ...

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I think sometimes you do, but in this case RC imho is playing you.

Yeah so that makes me slightly nervous that this is what's happening ^

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The perspective I think you should take on this

Is the potential damage of giving me 1 mislynch and then being rid of scum!me is significantly less than the potential damage of not trusting me and never lynching my scumreads and never having concrete evidence that I'm scum.

A few things:

1. I am now paranoid of being manipulated by you
2. Why are we not testing this on ari again? At this point he's a proxy sort for like half the game. Like i'm less worried of u deciding to not bus him but of you realizing that if ari flips town you're just gonna be next in this gamestate

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Because I can't say I'm 100% sure they're scum and I don't want their alignment used as a litmus test for mine?

...
You wanted this before tho

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It's like 1am and i'm not sure i'm awake enough to follow what you even want to be happening rn

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Dude you spent like 20 pages making it very clear that that is exactly the lynch you want

I get your reads change but dont act like it's ridiculous for other people to still want ari to proxy sort you given how the you/tw/ari thing went down

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It's like 1am and i'm not sure i'm awake enough to follow what you even want to be happening rn

I want us to wagon Plum

I want to switch back to Ari if I think he's scum after his catch-up.

I want to lunch Plum otherwise.

In an ideal world, I want to speedlynch Duck under the guarantee that he flips scum or you can lynch me but I can't have that.

Fine

I am vetoing tw today

If you're right on plum/ari and/or if you die overnight i will give strong credence to ur tw thing tom

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I'm literally claiming a guilty.

I would rather you vote me right now than not put any of your own thoughts aside and speedlynch TW.

The simple answer is I have a ton of information that I can't express without bringing the game into unhappy places.

Ok

Getting very tired so going to try to express my thoughts now and then we can pick this up tom:

1. I am not willing to lynch duck today when he asked for a phase due to irl stuff, no matter how i or you are reading him

2. I am willing to give you one day to prove your reads and alignment, especially because i think it's the most expedient way to unfuck the gamestate

3. If you are right today i wont resist on tw tom. If you are wrong i'm going to do whatever i want, and it will probably feature trying to lynch you

I think that is as much as i can give wrt this, and i need to sleep now

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This is exhausting, what the hell

Ari i am thoroughly underwhelmed

Was there anything particularly addreased to me in the last like 6 pages, because i didnt really read them

I almost want to lynch in {tw/rc} now just to resolve this mess and move on

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I was gone for like four hours, how did 5 pages of bickering appear ...

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Tw you sound like ur buddying ari

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Oh, pairing plum with Tris is incentive for plum to get their vote off Tris. Same thing with making teacher/plum interchangeable because the reaction will be "well it's not me in that team". And they show this by voting with RC. That's 3 likely votes and a conditional 4th in Skitter. I don't really think the rest of the slots matter in regards to this. Plus it's close enough to deadline that it ends up being a this lynch or nothing scenario.

This is townie i think ^

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This is exhausting, what the hell

Ari i am thoroughly underwhelmed

Was there anything particularly addreased to me in the last like 6 pages, because i didnt really read them

I almost want to lynch in {tw/rc} now just to resolve this mess and move on

Sorry to disappoint, Skitty! I'm an underwhelming person tbh.

Also, like, not really worth reading, no.
The pages appeared because I appeared and I should just go back to being too busy for this since I'm gonna be scumread regardless I suppose

Ari we just kind held up the game for like 5 irl days waiting for u to come back so i was kinda hoping that you, or your teammates would have some current thoughts on the game

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Tw you sound like ur buddying ari

ari is my buddy.
you've like 1) seen me pocket and 2) been pocketed by me
if you still think me being cute and friendly to people is scum indicative could i please just refer you to every game i've like ever played in the last two years

Yes, i'm aware that you are a very cute and friendly duck

But it kinda feels like you're trying to take the heat off of him and like prompt him him with what he ought to be talking about

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skitter what are you waiting for wrt checking your ico read?

Because every time i look at this thread i want to die inside and it hasnt been super high priority

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I will get to it

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Another bad case is no lynch.

This isnt going to happen

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Good god can you guys stop for like long enough that new pages arent appearing in the time it takea me to write a single post ??

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Almost like when I said form a townblock Skitter and RCE.

I still mean it.

Please fucking block it up.

I would be interested in forming a math/rce/me town bloc

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skitter/ico, long after this spamfest is over i hope you find each other in the apocalyptic wasteland of future-tm2020:normal and with your combined might slay the remainder of the scums

When this shitshow is over i will be happy to reevaluate there

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Give me like half an hour to really be here, i'm traveling home rn

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all of us like ari's current posting for town

Also like no

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fwiw team is telling me to Just Not be paranoid about skitter not updating her ico read
i agree 2417 is a townskitter explanation

If you were town Skitters alignment would have stopped being in question a very long time ago.

i'm sorry, since when was my alignment in question ???

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VOTE: ari

this needs to end at this point, sorry

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rc i hope ur ok

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UNVOTE:

I think that j should unvote since I am probably getting s replacement.

So RC+Ari practically confirmed by this post.

where are you even getting this from ...

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rc i hope ur ok

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he feels like these are just not things scum does in this kind of gamestate to white knight, esp. vs someone like RC

it doesn't feel like scum defending a partner

so it's kinda defaulting to town

tw this part in particular wrt eddie's town!ico case i agree with
he doesn't feel like an ari partner

the rest of the tone stuff tho i'm not sure i see ?

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i don't particularly want to make those sorts of reads tbh

ari you're basically lolcatting now

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this day needs to not be a thing anymore i think

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i'm a she btw

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Current reads scum TW+RC+Ari

These are all town and you are ridiculous.

Nancy was right about your reads being utter shite!

i just opened the thread to this
who broke ari?

idk but he's been lolcatting since i've been here so

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i'm a she btw

I apologize. I messed up. Correctly gendering people is important to me I am sorry.

that's fine!

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Is it possible TW+Ari is TvT? I don’t think it is just sanity check please.

i don't think so

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it's mostly tw and rc bickering with each other, not sure you're going to find much interesting useful in there, teacher

i hope u had a good weekend

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ok i've had enough of this

@math, @rce

what do you guys want to do

i think i'm ignoring rc/tw again because at this point whatever their alignment they're going to be trying to buddy me to get them to lynch the either and that kinda warps my view of the gamestate and i think u two are town and not like bloodlusted/tunneled

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i mean ....

and hush i want to talk to math and rce rn

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I did - traveled w the kids to their maternal great grandmother.

Of those two I’m more comfortable with RC, but want to know his evolution on me - when I left I was in his scum pool after having been an early townread, withouf much discussion of the difference, though I suppose it was because of his flop on ari?

sweet, i hope u had a good time, amazing they still have a great grandmother, wow

atm i'm leaning towards tw if i had to pick in them, ya

he's still sr'ing you as far as i know
(tbf i'm not really tr'ing you either)

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he feels like these are just not things scum does in this kind of gamestate to white knight, esp. vs someone like RC

it doesn't feel like scum defending a partner

so it's kinda defaulting to town

tw this part in particular wrt eddie's town!ico case i agree with
he doesn't feel like an ari partner

the rest of the tone stuff tho i'm not sure i see ?

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uhh i'm not really SRing teacher? i liked him then i wasn't really sure and now i kinda like him a little
roughly same strength as ari tr

well this is a baffling statement

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i more like don't see the reasons you're townreading him than explicitly scumreading him at this point, i think

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i think it's one of the least confusing posts i've ever written?

you're portraying your ari tr as Super Strong Town and i'm confused how u got there on teacher
i wasn't even aware that's how u were readign teacher

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i don't really know what you want me to say? this is how i'm reading ico
i don't find the tone stuff super convincing

you keep asking me about ico so i go back to eddie's case and this is what i feel about it

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i think it's one of the least confusing posts i've ever written?

you're portraying your ari tr as Super Strong Town and i'm confused how u got there on teacher
i wasn't even aware that's how u were readign teacher

i'm really not
they're like
my weakest townreads

that is not at all the impression i'm getting from u wrt ari like at all
given how u keep defending him ...

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the more this is a thing the more i'm kinda thinking that we should be lynching in tw/rc to unfuck the gamestate, and not ari
i think that switching momentum to doing that at this point will be Not Easy given how the current gamestate is, well, fucked

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I would kinda love an explanation of why Bella isn’t getting attention as I keep reading. Like it’s emptier than Paris Hilton’s head.

idk apparently she's town per jjh but i don't see it (?)

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i don't really know what you want me to say? this is how i'm reading ico
i don't find the tone stuff super convincing

you keep asking me about ico so i go back to eddie's case and this is what i feel about it

like.. we asked you to reconsider ico and both towncased him.. your response was tone stuff isn't very convincing.. i asked if you could show me where you see scum!ico so you asked me to towncase him again.. this feels like a really strange impasse for us to be at, like sorry if it sounds demanding but would you mind giving me a little more of where you're at to work with?

give me a sec

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eddie town!coneum rescued from the dumpster fire of my iso

Spoiler:

sorry that was meant to be earlier, got pedit'd

eddie thinks ico... in duck words, "has a limited scumrange".

stuff like this pings him as very natural:

hi skitter

i'm here

wanna talk about stuff

before you say that i am dodging you again

dude i'm spending more time googling what you are saying then anything else here fml

50 bucks says floppie hasn't actually read past that mathblade post yet

not really

I'm going with the flow a bit, I don't have enough strenght to push this game in the direction I want, which is Floppy. There's a strong scumread on him in my head, but I've also already largely written that out in here but nobody seems interested yet.

Watching closely to see how this is playing out wrt Tris, on which I don't really have a read rn.

I'm considering this to be a chill game despite some players trying to prove otherwise, and I'm quite happy with having a few good townreads and a few good scumreads rn. There's nothing I can do to force the low-content scumreads to post more, so yeah.

he feels like these are just not things scum does in this kind of gamestate to white knight, esp. vs someone like RC

it doesn't feel like scum defending a partner

so it's kinda defaulting to town

i don't really see ari as scum

would lynch in xtoxm/bella/flopz all before ari

I know you know ari a LOT better then I do, but does that fuck all attitude doesn't read like it comes from scum

Alright lads, new year ergo new me. I'm getting REAL annoyed at all these players jumping down on me just because I'm not good at this game. RadisntCowbells (what kind of name even is that?) and teacher implying I'm scum.

What a load of horseshit!

Back off NOW and stop scumreading me for shitty reasons. All I was doing was saying I'm involving myself in the game and all I got in return was attack after bloody attack. How am I supposed to even breathe at this point?!?!?

I joined as a personal favour to Hectic but nobody told me it was going to be like this. I thought this was supposed to be a fun game wiht intersesting debates where everyone was supposed to critique the arguments and not belittle everyone's character but this was completely different to that. Who'd want their first game to be filled with such utter tripe? I expected better from such

VETERANS

. If Team Mafia is supposed to be representative of the site as a whole, the mods should be clamping down on this toxicity and personal attacks. Aggressiveness and enthusiasm are absolutely fine, attacks and toxicity are beyond the pale.

Just look at 154, how is that even allowed?

My Team has already lost the game at this point so this is just a slog for slogging's sake. Hopkirk spent fucking eages ranting about this shit on this discord about how it's now literally impossible for us to win no matter what we fucking do. We've spent more time arguing about that then I have even spent in this terrible game. We've already got a modkill on D1 which has killed much of my enthusiam for Team Mafia and all this bullshittery going on is not fucking helping anything.

instead of quoting the one post this game has had that went into toxic territory (but it actually isn't toxic at all), I don't know what game you've been reading.

There's a lot of discussion out there about WHY you are potentially scum, but you seem to be ignorting this because? If you think you can hide behind calling this game and it's players toxic, you are sadly mistaken.

If you want debates, how about you start adressing the posts that call you scum? Or make actual contributions to the game? Because you called your previous posts 'not scumhunting' yourself.

he also doesn't think this feels like scum aggression


as an aside when he went thru the iso to pick out post #s he said he's doubling down on this read

this is what i was looking at for ico ^^^^ and what i was referencing
if you have other things in particular u want me to look at lmk

as far as i can tell:

1. first part is largely wrt ico's tone. like i said before i just ... don't think that tone there is particularly townie, or hard for scum to fake; i just don't see it
2. i do agree with the second part, where ico doesn't really feel like he's behaving like a partner really, so by default townie

like i can see where eddie is coming from with that and i can understand his argument
but i just don't townread him rn

i dont' particularly want him dead anymore, and haven't for a while
but i just feel like atm he isn't a super high priority sort and i've kinda put him on the backburner and haven't been worrying about him super much

i don't scumread him
i don't townread him

if i'm still alive once the current mess is sorted out i will get back to him and reasses
that's how i feel for like half the slots in the game {xtoxm, plum, flopz, tris, etc}

pedit ffs

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pedit: that's good timing - eddie just asked if jjh has read this game / if he'd be willing to give some input

he's read close to nothing besides for his own game

he said he wants to wait for flips before he gets into the other games

i got him to read like the shortest two isos last week (hence he thinks bella's town) bu the hasn't looked at this since

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pedit again: sorry @skit, eddie wants to clarify that he would really like jjh to make this game a priority please.

i'll bug him again

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Aka you know that JJH has a bad town game and he's liable to lead you in the wrong direction?

i'm sorry

are you accusing tw/eddie of wanting jjh to read the game so that he'll lead me astray ?

um ...

pedit we're on round like 4 now tbh

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sigh

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On Ari how? (Maybe in the 20 pages I’m about to read, if so sorry)

I think trying to get something more out of that pool today would be more productive than continued threadswamoing.

he showed up again a few hours ago, and i was thoroughly underwhelmed by what he had to say, tw has been defendign him and rc wants tw lynched and tw wants rc lynched and they keep bickering at each other and it's preventing ~half the thread from participating so i really don't think we're getting more out of that pool until the rc/ari/tw thing is resolved

and i've been trying to just end this for like 4 irl days or so and it's exhausting and i'm just kinda pissed that this is what the gamestate has devolved to

pedit and now i'm getting buddied, yeah

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sigh

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oh sweet your're around @rce

how would u rank lynching rc/tw/ari today?

pedit can you guys just stop ffs

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So... I'm buddying you when I talk about previous TM experience

But TW isn't with like everything that he's done that's buddying?

I don't get it tbh

you both are

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kk fine

VOTE: ari

i actually think that rc is a lot harder for me to read but is more (in a vaccuum) liable to get nk'd and get resolved that way

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you know, when this game started, jjh told me:

math + rc that's going to be a shitshow

and then i said, well, tw is going to be there and will hopefully be a mitigating presence

so that totally happened

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honestly, rn, i think math + rce's opinions matter to me more than yours

within rc/tw i think that tw is probably a better lynch for today
but if they both want ari i am fine with that

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If he's town it resolves itself which isn't true for Town!TW.

One is probscum tbh because the alternative is that they're both town and are digging a hole with scum for the rest of us. Which would be disappointing.

ya
i don't think this is a tvt thing at this point

rc will get resolved if he's town, i'm not sure tw will so of the two at this point i'd rather lynch him

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If he's town it resolves itself which isn't true for Town!TW.

One is probscum tbh because the alternative is that they're both town and are digging a hole with scum for the rest of us. Which would be disappointing.

why ari over tw rn?