Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

clidd · Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:09 pm

In post 1228, Ame wrote:I think Karnage and Aaron are both town. Aaron is obvtown and I'll take that to the grave. I still think it's between Clidd and Hectic. I think Hectic is the most rational choice for today.

VOTE: Hectic

In post 1231, Ame wrote:I'm never lynching Aaron here. Ever.

Vote Hectic with me.

In post 1281, Ame wrote:@Clidd read Aaron's post just before Insomnia's lynch. They clearly show that he was ignorant of Insomnia's alignment. There was no backtracking in his read at all. He really thought Insomnia would flip town.

I take back what I said, you were a good lynch Ame.

clidd · Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:10 pm

But I'm glad that you managed to deduce that now, at least.

clidd · Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:12 pm

In the scenario where you stayed in the game, we would lose for your protection on Aaron.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:07 am

Isn't it just lynching

Aaron

that the game is over ? I mentioned this in my PoE after

dsj

was discarded.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:08 am

Dsj

, pick

Aaron

. Thanks.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:11 am

VOTE: AaronFrost

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:36 am

Im vt too. And Aaron is mafia.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:25 am

In post 1417, AaronFrost wrote:Yeah because you were so confident in Ame being scum.

I'm thinking it might just be dsj. Like, doing some setup spec we have two masons, and two neighbors. Masons are guaranteed to be town, but neighbors don't know the alignment of anyone else in the hood (from experience, there's *usually* scum in the hood too).

Actually, I wanted to lynch you. I just thought that the interaction between Hectic and Ame was TvS due to both not being suspicious of Karnage starting the wagon.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:26 am

In post 1417, AaronFrost wrote:Yeah because you were so confident in Ame being scum.

I'm thinking it might just be dsj. Like, doing some setup spec we have two masons, and two neighbors. Masons are guaranteed to be town, but neighbors don't know the alignment of anyone else in the hood (from experience, there's *usually* scum in the hood too).

Do you have any statistical basis that I can consult ?

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:27 am

Ame didn't conclude that Dsj was scum, why would you be right now ?

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:43 am

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:44 am

Well, this type of mechanics is new to me. I don't know exactly how to classify it. I would like Hectic's opinion on this.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:24 am

Because I thought it was strange that you were voting that way. Neither did you, much less Ame raised a point about Karnage (who had started the wagon). That was the strangest interaction I saw in this match.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:30 am

I made it clear that by PoE, if dsj was not

scum

,

Aaron

would be. I still see

Karnage

as

Wimpy

, whose toxic context would justify replacing him as a

town indicator

.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:31 am

And you, to me, would be what Aaron went to Ame in this match, before she got hammered.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:34 am

Unless you're scum, Hectic, smiling behind the keyboard.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:36 am

Anyways, I'm relying on fully emotional Wimpy reads to consider Karnage town.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:38 am

Not if he's town at all games.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:39 am

In post 1437, Hectic wrote:Wimpo subbing out is 100% not a town-indicator, he's subbed out of literally every game I've played with him in (as scum and town).

Do you have a link to these games ?

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:42 am

In post 1440, Hectic wrote:
In post 1355, clidd wrote:So you, me, Karnage and Flippy will be alive, They will kill between Hectic/Aaron.

In post 1356, clidd wrote:Considering Hectic is scum, Aaron dies. If Aaron scum, Hectic dies.
Could you explain what you meant here? Aaron and I are unconfirmed and potential lynches for scum. Why would scum ever not kill the confirmed town (Emperor Flippo)?

Look at Flippy's interactions and tell me if he influenced something in the past day. It would be wiser to kill vocal antagonists if the game goes on for lylo.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:51 am

In post 1444, Hectic wrote:
In post 1442, clidd wrote:
In post 1440, Hectic wrote:
In post 1355, clidd wrote:So you, me, Karnage and Flippy will be alive, They will kill between Hectic/Aaron.

In post 1356, clidd wrote:Considering Hectic is scum, Aaron dies. If Aaron scum, Hectic dies.
Could you explain what you meant here? Aaron and I are unconfirmed and potential lynches for scum. Why would scum ever not kill the confirmed town (Emperor Flippo)?
Look at Flippy's interactions and tell me if he influenced something in the past day. It would be wiser to kill vocal antagonists if the game goes on for lylo.
But Flippo is someone who can never be lynched, so it's still 1 less viable mislynch. Meaning, if scum leaves him till 3 player LyLo for example, the scum has to get exactly the person who isn't Flippo lynched. Do you agree?

I agree, but I believe it is feasible if done correctly. You have to consider the influence of flippy on the lynchs and how malleable it can be. In the scenario where he hammers, at lylo, it may be better than another player hammering (considering the difference in players). I don't know if you managed to get it, but that's it.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:52 am

In post 1443, Hectic wrote:He replaced out 3 times in his last 4 games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=82026
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81277
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81747

he was scum in 1, town in 2.

Hum, so my emotional argument has no absolute validity.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:54 am

Ok, but why Karnage came from beyond and jumped on Ame ? that would not make sense coming from

scum!Karnage

.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:00 am

For me, the sequence of events was:

Ame often changes her mind, Dsj becomes suspicious, Karnage is already convinced that she would be scum (it wouldn't make sense for him to attack Ame at that point, if he wanted to survive to beat lylo as scum ), Hectic finds the attitude strange and also votes for it, Clidd considers the strange interaction as TvTvTvTvT initially, but soon considers the possibility of TvS between Hectic and Ame, for letting Karnage do whatever he wants. While this all happens, Aaron is absent, only returning when I had hammered Ame, and later releasing post 1340, as if he was already aware of the information that she was town. Evidently, he just did not pursue the idea after having the final interaction, before Ame did, in fact, die.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:02 am

This whole chaotic scenario, to me, makes sense if we were all towns arguing while Aaron sits watching the "fight", to see what direction it will take.

clidd · Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:14 am

In post 1082, clidd wrote:Im thinking.

In post 1083, clidd wrote:What if Aaron was not framed by insomnia ?

In post 1084, clidd wrote:I'm overthinking too much about how voracious Insomnia defended him. But, definitely, he would seem extremely suspicious with the argument against Luca, so even if Luca was lynched, Insomnia would be linked to Aaron the next day, so it would be quicker to conclude that the two were partners. This scenario would not make sense, considering the motivation of the deathtunnel was to distort possible reads about Aaron from then on.

In post 1137, clidd wrote:It may be strange, but I would say that the latest
scum
, considering all my current impressions, would no longer point to
Dsj
, but to
AaronFrost
.

In post 1241, clidd wrote:My intuition says that Aaron is scum, considering that the 4 of us engaged here today and he just disappeared 5 or 6 pages ago.

In post 1278, clidd wrote:Still .. Ame being
scum
still doesn't get into my head. Aaron being AFK in this game in the last pages would agree with my theory of him being
scum
.

What I feel for Aaron is a departure from this second stage of the game, so I intuitively put him as a scum, if Dsj is town.

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:41 am

In post 1465, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 1449, clidd wrote:This whole chaotic scenario, to me, makes sense if we were all towns arguing while Aaron sits watching the "fight", to see what direction it will take.
Can we stop pretending that activity is an indicator of alignment? I've been busy and real life comes before mafia. I've also been plenty active, especially Day 1.

Like by this logic, why would I be actively participating in the discussion with Luca/insomnia/Ame on the first day?

VOTE: AaronFrost

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:47 am

Can you admit it at once ? the timelines of today and yesterday are totally different.

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:50 am

In post 1340, AaronFrost wrote:Ok yeah moving clidd up to my top scumread if you flip town.

PEDIT: Cooooool

Which are your reads now ?

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:51 am

In post 1474, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 1471, clidd wrote:Can you admit it at once ? the timelines of today and yesterday are totally different.
Not sure what you want me to admit?

Admit that you are guilty.

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:53 am

In post 1476, clidd wrote:
In post 1474, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 1471, clidd wrote:Can you admit it at once ? the timelines of today and yesterday are totally different.
Not sure what you want me to admit?
Admit that you are guilty.

Wait, why are you not ''sure'' ? what did you think i was saying ?

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:56 am

In post 1400, Pretentious wrote:
Vote Count 2.03
I don’t care what anyone says. The Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy is the best Spider-Man series. And to the haters of Toby, he was perfect in that role, let me tell you why. This character is meant to have laughably wtf lines. I mean, they have the guy wall run the morning after he realizes he has powers, and isn’t thinking anything major of it.just casually does. He’s meant to be campy, this is the director writer of the Evil a Dead seri3s, come on. The tone of each of the 3 movies feels pretty much the same, and that’s really accomplishing to do. The pacing of these movies are really strong as well. Spider man 1 and 2 go from our hero’s perspective, our villain’s perspective, then the meetup. Every single time through out the movie they repeat that sequence with the scene order. Spider-Man 2 has the AMAZING subplot of the entire world just kind of shitting on Peter. Literally every one off character or side character in this movie straight up is shit to Peter. Even the broom closet hated him, as shown when the brooms attacked him for way too awkwardly long. (Medium 2 shot with no cuts causes awkwardness
In film). And then even Spiderman3 has good structure. Hero scene, villain scene, meet up, take them out, repeat. It makes this movie like 3 movies in 1 because of the 4 act structure it uses. First act is The origin stories of the 4 corners of this story line, Peter, Sandman, Harry, Venom, and that’s more of a prologue. We then get the Harry act, followed by the Sandman act, and ending with the Venom act into our Conclusion. That’s my only fault of this movie, Venom didn’t need to be in this as a final boss type, and I know Sony wanted him in it, so they had to include it, but they could have just had that church bell scene with Venom, and be done with it! That would have been a perfect setup for the 4th one, and would continue an arc in a different way, Peter Parker dealing with the attitude change from the parasite.

Ame
(4): Dsjstr, Karnage, Hectic, Clidd ———
[EXECUTED]

Hectic
(1): Ame

Not Voting
(2): Emperor flippyNips, AaronFrost,

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2020-02-28 14:00:00)

Mod Notes:
Don’t be outta pocket.

You are assuming a very secure instance. For me, everyone who was in the Ame wagon are towns with me. It would make more sense not to vote so soon with Flippy idle. In this situation, the safest safe action awaits, before voting. Which is exactly what you did.

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:00 am

Aaron, do you mind answering a personal question ?

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:05 am

Was there a moment since you entered the game when you really spoke the truth ?

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:08 am

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:33 am

I am annoyed that you consult the number. If it were something so natural, it would not need a mathematical margin.

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:34 pm

Why Karnage would suspect from Ame then ? Wasn't Dsj or me a better choice to fake a SR ?

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:35 pm

Wimpy ragequit was real, which is why i believe he is town.

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:34 pm

In post 392, Wimpy wrote:
In post 388, AaronFrost wrote:I'm at a problem where I have no idea how to read Wimpy's deathtunnel of Ame. Like there's a part of me that thinks that that kind of behavior almost never comes from scum, but I think the way he's going about it is also objectively anti-town.
Then go ahead and lynch me today because it will continue. I will not vote anyone else this game until she is gone.

Even so, I believe that the context of this game was different. It was very suicidal for him to say that. It would be more consistent if he expected her to say something more meaningful. Creating a tunnel for something so small would obviously not pay off the effort.

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:38 pm

Scum!Wimpy

would have selected someone else to focus his tunnel on. It would be a smarter idea to avoid colliding with players who are vocally difficult to eliminate by lynch.

clidd · Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:41 pm

It's basically like our past Cheeky game, where I made a very risky move that would put me in self-defeat if I were scum (hard-tunnel on Fishy). I feel something similar coming from Wimpy's tunnel.

clidd · Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:20 am

What a headache, honestly.

clidd · Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:21 am

Can't we just lynch AaronFrost at once ?

clidd · Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:22 am

How is that a decent idea ? you know he is town.

clidd · Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 am

You KNOW, dude. Don't play the fool with me.

clidd · Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:29 am

Look in my eyes (at the monitor) and say you ARE TELLING THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

clidd · Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:59 am

In post 1528, Hectic wrote:
In post 1455, clidd wrote:
In post 1082, clidd wrote:Im thinking.

In post 1083, clidd wrote:What if Aaron was not framed by insomnia ?

In post 1084, clidd wrote:I'm overthinking too much about how voracious Insomnia defended him. But, definitely, he would seem extremely suspicious with the argument against Luca, so even if Luca was lynched, Insomnia would be linked to Aaron the next day, so it would be quicker to conclude that the two were partners. This scenario would not make sense, considering the motivation of the deathtunnel was to distort possible reads about Aaron from then on.

In post 1137, clidd wrote:It may be strange, but I would say that the latest
scum
, considering all my current impressions, would no longer point to
Dsj
, but to
AaronFrost
.

In post 1241, clidd wrote:My intuition says that Aaron is scum, considering that the 4 of us engaged here today and he just disappeared 5 or 6 pages ago.

In post 1278, clidd wrote:Still .. Ame being
scum
still doesn't get into my head. Aaron being AFK in this game in the last pages would agree with my theory of him being
scum
.
What I feel for Aaron is a departure from this second stage of the game, so I intuitively put him as a scum, if Dsj is town.
So your reasoning for Aaron!scum is a mixture of him being inactive recently, him being off the wagon, and intuition? Could you try and elaborate on your intuition or point to specifics?

Give me 24 hours.

clidd · Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:27 pm

Actualy..Forget it.. I'll create a new way of playing.

clidd · Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:25 am

I have been wrong more often. Going to sheep this.

VOTE: Karnage

clidd · Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:15 am

Tense game, i liked it.