BooneyToonz UPick: Boon There, Done That [END]

[Michael Scott]

Nom's reaction is town regardless of flip!

[Michael Scott]

Spicy :3
VOTE: Titus

I also got a SF

[Michael Scott]

Lots of SF, a Miller and the virus. It's a race to find guilties I guess

[Michael Scott]

Could Barb be a millerizer item?

[Michael Scott]

Cause I'm not scum? What sort of answer do yiu expect

[Michael Scott]

Lynch Titus, someone test a cop shot on anyone else having a barb?

[Michael Scott]

Why'd you target Titus?
You were scumleaning me - why not me?

[Michael Scott]

Cool cool.

[Michael Scott]

Yus.

[Michael Scott]

I got one poisonous barb and one from the prize

That's the prize?
O.o

[Michael Scott]

Why pick "poisonous barb" over an elephant?

[Michael Scott]

Poisonous Barb sounds pretty -town though.
Modifiers apply to the use of items and not passing them around, yes?

[Michael Scott]

After all nothing was mentioned about being able to send barbs to people, so why do you make it sound like it's something you can do?

Barbs are confirmed passable at least from her pov, and the sender's if they don't have it

[Michael Scott]

Titus, how come you're not considering that she's scum guiltying you?

[Michael Scott]

I was the one who brought up that theory
I mean she could've argued that scum know barbs = Millers and she has one so faked guilty on her

Btw when you receive an item its effects take place the night you receive it, right?

[Michael Scott]

I kept imagining them as barbed wire, like something you trip over >.>

[Michael Scott]

You're saying that after she already implied BP N2

[Michael Scott]

We copped Titus last night and got no result

Interesting

[Michael Scott]

So virus also has its effect the night it infects?

[Michael Scott]

I think 4 of us claimed. Boon just said I got one but didn't say what it does, Chk says Boon said it doesn't prevent killing actions for him.

I'm not townreading rce now btw

[Michael Scott]

You didn't get a choice, KK?

[Michael Scott]

But you didn't claim ascetic and the other modifier then, why?

[Michael Scott]

Honestly if you are scum, he is scum that is testing the water and unvoted in hopes you can be saved

If so Titus and scumteam would be manipulating associatives given her lynch is pretty sure today

[Michael Scott]

But you didn't claim ascetic and the other modifier then, why?

Who is this question directed to?

Titus. She said loyal/disloyal modifier but didn't mention tbe ones which seem +scum whereas she did today.

[Michael Scott]

I'm glad we moved off Nom yesterday ^_^

[Michael Scott]

So keeping scummy modifiers hidden helps town but outing the towny modifiers is OK? c'mon

[Michael Scott]

K/K and chkflip has disloyal fruits, they might as well be cop shots.
GG no re.

?

[Michael Scott]

The ascetic and macho modifiers just tell scum I know they likely have powerful protection against KPN.

Why would they care that you know that again?

[Michael Scott]

Disloyal virus means KK can't infect same alignment, right? I think the cop shot failed just because of the virus.

Pedit: lol ok

[Michael Scott]

I was just informed I got the Sticky Fruit and nothing else.
Chkflip, did you ask about whether it protects you from kills, or did the mod say that himself?

[Michael Scott]

Oh, good observation.

[Michael Scott]

Titus can attach modifiers to them, so maybe let's pass them to her!

[Michael Scott]

This game isn't balanced, so throw any mech plans you might have our of the window.

I'm not keeping this virus, nor am I passing it to KK.

It didn't millerize me, it basically made me VT by x-day in the game.

I'm not fucking keeping it.

If I can use it to gank another scum after we lynch scum!Titus that's a positive for town.

Are you sure the Virus affects people in the same way? For you it might be Vanilla-izing; for scum it could just millerize and that just helps them.

[Michael Scott]

I thought jjh was just crumbing the second item he received.

[Michael Scott]

Aren't "number of vowels" and "number of letters that are vowels" the same though?

[Michael Scott]

Why would the Vendor not SF all scum, given the chance they're copped?

[Michael Scott]

Oh, right, my bad.

[Michael Scott]

Did you give the elephant any mods?

She said she picked the barb instead.

[Michael Scott]

There's a delayed explosive modifier in this game that blows people up the following night

This also sounds insane. Like a nuke ability? Like Shoshin had in some large theme I can't recall.

[Michael Scott]

Give people disloyal vig shots. Two clears per night.

Items keep funneling. Loyal fruits.

I am legit scum's problem only.

You're saying you can infinitely apply the same modifier on items you receive? Then what's the point of the ascetic?

[Michael Scott]

maybe the elephant is related to you having been roleblocked

I don't think a Boon minigame prize would be something that roleblocks the person.

[Michael Scott]

This game isn't balanced, so throw any mech plans you might have our of the window.

I'm not keeping this virus, nor am I passing it to KK.

It didn't millerize me, it basically made me VT by x-day in the game.

I'm not fucking keeping it.

If I can use it to gank another scum after we lynch scum!Titus that's a positive for town.

Are you sure the Virus affects people in the same way? For you it might be Vanilla-izing; for scum it could just millerize and that just helps them.

I was just informed I got the Sticky Fruit and nothing else.
Chkflip, did you ask about whether it protects you from kills, or did the mod say that himself?

@Chk?

[Michael Scott]

Chk wants to infect outside you, his reasoning for that seems bad and it feels like he's hiding behind "game bastard meh" though.

[Michael Scott]

I thought infecting was compulsive, is it not?

[Michael Scott]

Vecna's flip says the virus millerizes but the receivers won't be aware of this.
So the Vanilla-izer has to be on top of the millerizer at least, or maybe the vanilla-ization comes from elsewhere.

[Michael Scott]

N1 results do not specify it must be passed on but it wouldn't surprise me if boon forgot to say there was a compulsive target

It'll be very weird if it's not infective though?

Tinfoil: The virus operates like in Plague Inc., and maybe there's a role that can mutate the virus to kill everyone who has it at some point.

[Michael Scott]

Omg

[Michael Scott]

So a full alignment change? Wow.

[Michael Scott]

I wish Volxen was here. This is kinda fun

[Michael Scott]

1. Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No)
   No. -

I will say that when I got to the Creating Sign Up thread phase, I should have retroactively changed this.

However, everything I feel is in the Boonskiies level of analyzing, and a mechanical puzzle that can always be figured out, like the majority of my games.

You don't say

[Michael Scott]

Why massclaim?

[Michael Scott]

And it won't help scum?

[Michael Scott]

Doesn't sound convincing at all jj

[Michael Scott]

My poison barb crumbled to dusties

Were you trying to pass it to someone, or did something else happen?
If Titus flips scum then Barbs are very likely +scum.

[Michael Scott]

Why so? I thought keeping it was established as better since the effects are only the night you receive it.

[Michael Scott]

Boon keeps asking for massclaims by D2, I wonder if that's somehow part of jjh's role

[Michael Scott]

Did anyone else claim not to receive one? Or just didn't claim SF?

[Michael Scott]

If only town received it, then some people might be lying about having received it.

[Michael Scott]

You sent, but they may not have received.
If there's no other likely reason for Titus not receiving them, we could actually spend tonight passing them in a chain to verify.

[Michael Scott]

Any questions related to the fruit hat I failed to answer?

[Michael Scott]

Chk, either keep the virus, or if compulsive send it to Krazy Katz
Everyone else keep the SF: if people are lying about having one we should test it tomorrow.

We should have flavor and pick claims before lynch, too.

[Michael Scott]

SF/KK/Dave anything to add before Boon arrives?

[Michael Scott]

Inb4 Venus and Mars gets killed instead and we go to night

[Michael Scott]

apparently the virus cannot be sent again

Wait, so it's not just that

you

can't send it?
lol

[Michael Scott]

Spoiler: Selected George D2 quotes

I copp'd Nom last night and got nothing.

So I trust her.

VOTE: Titus

UNVOTE: Titua

wow, out of all......

UNVOTE: Titus

Spoiler: Selected Titus D2 quotes

Engage me. I'll be free tmo. It's bed time here. Let's discuss reads.

After all, you think I am confscum. Wouldn't you want those nice juicy associatives?

Let's start with George.

Slow down on the wagon. Let people speak.

What do you think of George's unvote?

Therefore my conclusion is that she gave the Virus a disloyal modifier, making K/K and potentially Chkflip unable to target any scum with their items.

The virus isnt an item, the sticky fruits are.

Boon confirmed to me in PM just now that the virus is an item

what didnt someone just say tha tit didnt count for them in the item coutner ?

~Venus

Sush, just ignore nom and let's scumhunt.

Talk to me about George.

You read this and conclude that he's scum?

[Michael Scott]

It was awkward.

[Michael Scott]

Scum Titus is experienced enough to use the situation to try to lay down negative associations with a partner.

I don't think George voting that fast and then unvoting awkwardly would be a Titus neg-associative plan.

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: Chronos
it good

[Michael Scott]

Kinda low energy for reasons

[Michael Scott]

I'm fine with an RCE lynch.

[Michael Scott]

@JJH:

Have you followed through and read late D1 to see how I was subtly influencing the game?

Have you read D2 to see if I was subtly influencing the lynch against Titus?

[Michael Scott]

"It's never the person you most suspect. It's also never the person you least suspect, since anyone with half a brain would suspect them the most."
-Dwight Schrute

[Michael Scott]

Fonz can be Assistant to the Regional Manager

[Michael Scott]

I trust his claim, mostly cause I had suicidal cop too.

But you distrust JJH's exact same claim?
And Dave wasn't the first to claim either... are you reading the game

[Michael Scott]

I'm fine with an RCE lynch.

So what changed for you with that read from D1?

Got fooled by him in an another game which ended after D1, and he has some awkward posts in his ISO.

[Michael Scott]

Not feeling the Chronos vote nearly as much after reading the iso. Specifically I think arguing with Nancy is usually a town indicator.

Anything else you townread him for? Arguing with Nancy is a town indicator why exactly?
I find that arguing with Nancy without looking bad for it is pretty easy for scum.

[Michael Scott]

Volxen has been having much higher workload due to Corona, he didn't read the game apart from the D1 flip

[Michael Scott]

So two of you opted for hydra partners that... aren't posting?

Volxen did warn me that he won't have much time and couldn't post much, I was OK with just discussing things even if he didn't post. He said he'd prolly have time after 2 weeks from when he joined me, he did however get a lot more work than expected.

On the plus side, Michael Scott memes. :3

[Michael Scott]

Nobody claiming to have been in a second "fun house" thing is... strange. Is that another weird 1-shot thing?

No, there was a second "fun house". Katz, Nom and I were in it.

[Michael Scott]

I thought it was.
We forgot?

[Michael Scott]

What? Chrono has been obvtown imo

How?

[Michael Scott]

I can see why it could be emotionally draining for you; but I can also see how scum can use that to generate content easily.
I don't view Nancy OMGUSsing as a real risk, as I find that people almost always get townread as a result
Plus, Chronos didn't go hard on the Nancy attack, no?

[Michael Scott]

Yes, George is lynchbait and that unvote was hella awkward. It would make a lot more sense for him to unvote if others had actually expressed a change of heart regarding Titus.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Game getting boring, anyone wanna talk? :3

[Michael Scott]

I think since the room isn't necessarily protown anyway it doesn't matter much? Idk the point of the role then though.

[Michael Scott]

I was excited about the voteless debuff until I realized Boon announces it in thread Otherwise could've made for a nice fake hammer gambit

[Michael Scott]

Nancy, I outed the N2 room already in thread

[Michael Scott]

i have no idea why MS is a universal tr here

Lol funnily I think I find it harder to build momentum in a game when I'm widely townread.

[Michael Scott]

Why isn't RCEnigma getting replaced yet?

[Michael Scott]

Nobody claiming to have been in a second "fun house" thing is... strange. Is that another weird 1-shot thing?

No, there was a second "fun house". Katz, Nom and I were in it.

Here.

[Michael Scott]

one of the rooms

Oh, I missed this - so there were more rooms than the one you were picking for? Interesting.

[Michael Scott]

JJH made a shade attack at me being scum, then I challenged him to actually back it up, then he just ignored it - ?
I mean shouldn't you be a *bit* more concerned about me if I'm widely townread and "subtly influencing" the game jjh?
I got onto the RCE wagon you're supporting and you didn't bat an eye

[Michael Scott]

He's not claiming to be in a room

[Michael Scott]

Venus: Didn't someone send her barbs last night?
Titus: Fonz, and I picked a barb in the event

The Fonz part was a reply to your asking about someone sending her a barb.

[Michael Scott]

So, is the case for RCE mostly his interactions with Titus?

What's your read of him?

[Michael Scott]

My barb "crumbled to dust" but I have 2 items apparently. I also didn't receive any sticky fruit that I'm aware of.

Interesting, so could account for Titus not reciving sticky fruit.

Didn’t someone send her barbs

last night?

Fonz sent me barbs

, and I picked a barb in the event.

So barbs cancel sticky fruit.

That's what I make of it

[Michael Scott]

I need to reread the game if I'm coming back to that

Idk, I'm not sure I'm on to something at all there or maybe I just don't want to reread the game and it's affecting my decision making

More like just EoD1, or even just vote counts to see what I was influencing towards/against, then D2 isn't even long.

Like, my subtle influencing comment is more that I feel like I'm especially compromising where you are also willing to compromise, if that makes sense

Yeah but how many slots do we even conflict upon? GeorgeBailey? Pretty weird accusation then, no?

[Michael Scott]

[Michael Scott]

we all agreed to bop you if you're still here on d4 and havent solved the game

and what day is it

[Michael Scott]

i wouldnt either
uncertainty in reads, distancing/bussing etc
the only associatives worth anything at this stage of the game are those with titus

That's fine; my point was that JJH's scumread on me, plus his belief that I'm subtly influencing the game should have actually caused some reaction to my RCE push.

[Michael Scott]

If you REALLY wanna vote for the non-LHF, then I'd be down for voting Michael Scott

I had the impression that you did scumread me to some extent.
Who else would be in your PoE, if I'm null? Apart from LHF?

[Michael Scott]

Subtly influencing the game.

[Michael Scott]

Chk, a rough summary of my play today:

>"GB is town"
>"RCE is a fine lynch, awkward posting"
>"JJH attack weak and scummy"

What are your expectations from my slot?
What do you mean by your implication that I'm not doing anything?

[Michael Scott]

I already mentioned that some of his posts are awkward. No one asked me to elaborate.
Just looking at his posts at me:

Howdy partners. I've arbitrarily decide Michael Scott is town VOTE: BTE

Howdy partners. I've arbitrarily decide Michael Scott is town VOTE: BTE

I think he is too, what does that have to do with BTE?

That's where MS is voting and I trust him undoubtedly.

I mean, that is sort of implied anyway, right? Like I see what you're saying but I wouldn't point it out myself first because it's a bit redundant.

I would. I'm town dammit.

And don't you forget it.

These were before I knew he was scum in the other game I was in him with, where I "obv town" read him and diverted a correct lynch off him; re-reading this I'm going ; what's the point of these?

Has anything else he posted made him +town? At best, he's at null.
You accuse me of doing nothing - yeah, I admitted I'm low energy and I'm not tryharding at all, I'm just having fun with some amount of gameplay mixed in.
There are other slots that are appearing as though they're doing something, and yet not having an impact.

[Michael Scott]

I found that post, both the timing and the content odd.

Which post are you talking about?

[Michael Scott]

I really need to here Krazy Kat explain how Titus spewed him town in the Boonus round.

The Boonus prize wasn't announced. It was a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors where each of us would submit an action privately, and losers wouldn't get a prize. We realized that two of us could win meaning one of us lose. Titus then started going on about how she doesn't trust me and how I would "change my action" privately (even though that would be obvious the next day), and then that my slot could be "tested" by having me be the loser.

[Michael Scott]

Oh, Idk, not just Beetlejuice out of your obvious active lurk state every time I bring you up? Engage RCE even a modicum so it looks like you're sorting him as opposed to, Idk,

treating this game like it's D1

and we have a ton of lynches to spare? Idc if it isn't D4. Those of us that are actually actively attempting have been doing our part in trying to figure this nonsense out.

Fonz, BTE, myself, hell even jjh and George are doing more than you are right now

. It's not an implication. It's a fact.

We have <4 days to go and RCE is going to be the lynch because... of a handful of posts that MIGHT slightly implicate them?

Why is that okay?

Deny the bolded.
A good number of slots I townread. Working top-down isn't a "doing nothing" strategy.
All my "ok to lynch" slots -- SF, Chronos, RCE, JJH -- are predicated on their lack of real impact this game. I don't see any damning evidence for anyone being scum, can you?

My chosen form of engagement for a large part of this game, has been to help build wagons and let things happen, as opposed to conversing directly with the slots themselves. I've been defending townreads constantly. There's a chance I go full tryhard at some point based on my level of interest in the game in terms of direct engagement effort, just not now

[Michael Scott]

Just highlight the text you want to quote and click the quote button - much easier

[Michael Scott]

Feel free to talk to me about townreads.

[Michael Scott]

It's like she was annoyed I was being townread so easily

[Michael Scott]

I guess you could make the argument that as a partner who sees that I'm being widely townread it's a nice opportunity to try and posture or distance without it really translating into anything.

[Michael Scott]

I'm not calling for his immediate lynch. I think getting anyone to close to lynch range kickstarts activity in a lull game.
You've seen my reads change a lot after pushing people to L-1, no?

[Michael Scott]

I really need to here Krazy Kat explain how Titus spewed him town in the Boonus round.

The Boonus prize wasn't announced. It was a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors where each of us would submit an action privately, and losers wouldn't get a prize. We realized that two of us could win meaning one of us lose. Titus then started going on about how she doesn't trust me and how I would "change my action" privately (even though that would be obvious the next day), and then that my slot could be "tested" by having me be the loser.

This is what Krazy is referring to.

[Michael Scott]

@Chk: How about you reverse that and show me RCE's case on me? He engaged with me about a lot of things, while also stating a constant suspicion of me. Yet, there's no reasoning.
And now when

you

start pushing me, he drops in a vote?

@Venus:
You were calling Titus strong town IIRC; nothing to lose by also establishing a townread there.
And yeah, a push on you doesn't result in anything except probably a few pages of arguments and maybe people just calling it TvT (lol) as I said before. I maintain that antagonizing you isn't a town indicator. It's low-risk busywork.

[Michael Scott]

I don’t recall anyone saying that me and RCE were TvT, that was me and chk. But you told me to trust you on RCE town D1 and now you’re telling me pretty much the opposite on D3. I know your RCE read changed on D2 but I’m still not sure why.

I'm saying that that would be my expectation on pushing you, even if it doesn't actually happen.
RCE and I were in two games in parallel, this one and the Korina is a Cultist one. He was the sole cult member there out of 10 people.
Others cased him, and I thought he was obviously town (and townread him here too), turns out I was wrong And then re-reading his engagement with me this game struck me as hella weird. I don't have any great scumcase on him, but I do want him to get to lynch range.

[Michael Scott]

I think Dave is town, via gut ^_^

[Michael Scott]

Fonz is town, trust me on that

Seriously though, even if scum push you I heavily doubt they expect to get you mislynched. He's slightly pissed at your arguments, not that you're unmislynchable
How would keeping you alive obvtown Boonus round players?

[Michael Scott]

I also like how he responded to my light push. He wasn’t remotely defensive or tried to discredit me in the slightest.

This applies to my attack(s) on Dave, too.

[Michael Scott]

OK signing off, I'll be back when Chkflip attacks me again

[Michael Scott]

How do you differentiate between scum shading you and town voicing a thought?
He was simply noting one commonality in yours and Titus' play: that you both stressed upon the importance of your role.
This isn't a subjective interpretation - you did state that you would be confirmed town in a few days. Titus did state multiple times that she's very important.
The observation is valid. Which part don't you understand?

You can still notice something odd in a townread of yours, no? You'd call it out even if you townread them. That's what he did; he isn't scumreading you for it.

[Michael Scott]

Why would scum want to NK us, if I was putting them into the Boonus round? That would be completely contrary to their wincon, therefore, if scum NKs us, it makes the Boonus round players, all that much harder to mislynch if town, right?

But if scum can conceivably drive a mislynch on us, it looks a lot less suspicious because then there’s no fingers to point to.

Nah. You already picked scum for the Boonus room on N1.
What's the guarantee that you're picking town for other nights?
What prevents them from simply going "Lol Nancy's picked Titus and she was scum, so her townreads don't matter anyway"?

[Michael Scott]

You said that about RCE on D1 too, now you’ve flipped that read.

I know, I was joking by referencing that

[Michael Scott]

See that’s exactly what I’m saying with MS, that objective logical approach is rustling my jimmies

Like, you differentiate based on gut among other stuff.

LOL @ calling me logical, a non-fluff poster, having nice logical flow and then finally calling me scum for it.
This is definitely a novel attack.

[Michael Scott]

I feel like scum are more likely to use logic and they have a hard time faking emotion

Don't you feel like logic-based players are more likely to use logic, and it's not alignment that determines it?
Like the simplest meta-check on me will reveal I'm a rather unemotional logic player.

[Michael Scott]

No, he was noting a similarity between you and Titus. When Titus flipped scum, i.e. post D2 that's when he'd begin to slightly suspect you, so the timing is natural.

[Michael Scott]

Hm. We shouldn't have outed that N2 was a debuff room.

[Michael Scott]

Where? I don’t recall seeing that? If Fonz is town here, I don’t know whether to be more insulted that he is wrongly sr my being an obvious pocket or that he seriously thinks I’m that much of an idiot as scum. I’m really not sure which one is more offensive.

You think Titus was an idiot for mentioning multiple times how her role was important and +town?

[Michael Scott]

Hm. We shouldn't have outed that N2 was a

debuff

room.

A what?

Debuff meaning anti-town. The "prize" was becoming voteless for the day.

[Michael Scott]

No, I’m referring to my having her as my top tr.

I wouldn't think that's idiotic at all as scum lol

[Michael Scott]

These BRs are a helluva lot weirder than the ones I recall from LNT. Well, since both you and KK have already voted, can I assume that Nom lost?

I actually forgot to even vote lol. KK said he sent in the vote for Nom and I assume Nom won anyway because Boon didn't announce anyone becoming voteless at daystart.

[Michael Scott]

What made me drop from a townread, Conspire?

[Michael Scott]

Sure but in the universe where you're scum with her, saying you hard townread her isn't an idiotic move. We should move on from The Fonz

[Michael Scott]

Hey RCE

[Michael Scott]

I certainly think you're clever enough to do that as scum tho At least after hydra'ing with me as scum.
But that's not the point - it's certainly not idiotic play. I would call it good scumplay. Fonz thinking it's a possibility doesn't mean he thinks you're an idiot.

[Michael Scott]

lol this made me chuckle

[Michael Scott]

@Fonz and Chk: These are the gamestates where you simply just PoE after forming townreads, no?

[Michael Scott]

Chk, what do you make of RCE's pop-in this page?

[Michael Scott]

@Fonz: Exactly what I'm saying - arguing with Nancy is just easy busywork.

@Chkflip: You already have The Fonz as a townread, no? Who else do you think is strongly town?
Don't you think "wtf is Michael Scott doing" applies to RCE as well?

[Michael Scott]

I'm just biased towards you because you seem nice and rational.

This is better than calling me scummy for being "nice and logical"

[Michael Scott]

Dont really wanna lynch

Corona

any more

Lol the whole COVID thing really getting to you huh

[Michael Scott]

Leaves a lynchpool of Sore Feet, BTE, RCE, VaM.

I'd probably remove V&M from the list.
Chk, you think we could remove BTE too?

[Michael Scott]

Wait not probably* I mean definitely.

[Michael Scott]

Auro hit me with jjh town

Can't because I don't townread him, and I dunno why he's expecting to be townread either. But mehhhh my heart isn't up there with a jjh lynch, maybe just give pass him the third item and let's see what happens?
I was expecting him to double down on the shade he was throwing at me as I poked him about it, especially when it seemed like a few other slots began to apply momentum towards my way. He did the opposite though, so

[Michael Scott]

Aaaaand no. I don't see him saying anywhere that he'd solve by D4, so.

Wait...

Quote me saying I'll solve by D4, pl0x

[Michael Scott]

That was a cheeky response to a joke attack lol

[Michael Scott]

Cause you lack context

I was in a hydra with Venus in a game Krazy modded recently where we were killed N4 or so.
Pink Ball in the scum thread said something along the lines of "time to kill this slot, otherwise Auro will solve the game".
I also sortaaaaa had scum in some kind of PoE at that point.

Krazy was simply referencing that as a joke, since Nancy and I were partners there she'd notice and remember

[Michael Scott]

Which one? I use a lot of commas.

Why does it matter? You tryna role fish, scum?

Why does it matter? You tryna role fish scum?

[Michael Scott]

No, I was explaining the comma thing

Hmm, doesn't sound like Titus planning.

[Michael Scott]

BTE what's your read on Auro?

[Michael Scott]

Ok cool. Lol you listed Scott and Auro as different names in your list so I was curious

[Michael Scott]

Hey I'm here without Chk actually calling me out

[Michael Scott]

I'll be back in some time, of course with a correct full solve as expected of me. It's difficult carrying this burden of proficiency, but it is my duty to do so.

[Michael Scott]

Hey Chkflip

[Michael Scott]

Aaaand I'm back!

I think I've made an important personal observation about Mafia play.

[Michael Scott]

Don't think I don't know the subtext here.

I kid Was scrolling through GIFs and I had to use this one.

[Michael Scott]

Chronos! I demand a fully detailed readslist of EVERY alive slot in the game, pronto!
Submit to your boss, the best boss evah, Michael Freakin' Scott!

[Michael Scott]

Spoiler: Shitty theory and self-meta

So jjh actually did make one correct observation about me this game - that I was being mostly conflict avoidant, and not getting into people's faces. I don't know why he really left that though, considering that I wasn't actively pursuing conflicts (which is almost an opposite from my play in White Flag, which I think jjh is informed by).

I have been experimenting with playstyle changes after White Flag. In the recent Masons and Mafia open, I played a lot more socially than in WF. I was being aggressive, but at the same time, kept it conversational and smooth with players I was scumreading. I had a few conflicts, yeah, but was generally liked in a sense that enabled me to become effectively unlynchable in a game that lacked NKs, and letting me drive lynches (sadly losing the game ) on players I had called "99% town" earlier and still having them townread me. I also somewhat did this in a Mini Normal I replaced into around that time, by focusing energy into a slot or two at a time instead of attacking everywhere.

I also came across a post somewhere (maybe Mafia discussion?) that proffered one method of playing Mafia as developing townreads and lynching from PoE as effective. I decided I'd perhaps give this a shot (at one point I can't resist going aggro but anyway) and letting the game play while being a part of it without polarising things (a contributing reason was also my role). I don't think this really inhibits scumhunting - my previous method of relentless aggression worked >rand maybe, but I feel that this style is equally, if not more effective.

One effect of this seems to be scum disappointment at my getting townread, lol. Popsofctown made a number of posts complaining about how no one wanted to lynch me and that being a demotivating factor to her. Titus incidentally seemed to do the same here from early game - it's like scum expected I would hyperpost and polarize and start fights, and they could capitalize on that. I'm surprised I didn't pick up on what Nancy did about Titus calling me obvtown, good spot!

All that said, although we do have some form of a consensus PoE pool, the majority of activity recently has been a few town slots trying to get somewhere. I feel that given the strength of townreads that this bloc have for each other - in {Chk, Fonzie, V&M, Katz} etc for example, (yeah yeah Chk and Fonzie dislike V&M but still) scum feel comfortable letting the game just go along. I've seen scum lurk out previously but given the relative strength of this playerlist as town and scum, does that make too much sense?

[Michael Scott]

Chronos! I demand a fully detailed readslist of EVERY alive slot in the game, pronto!
Submit to your boss, the best boss evah, Michael Freakin' Scott!

jjh927! I demand a fully detailed readslist of EVERY alive slot in the game, pronto!
Submit to your boss, the best boss evah, Michael Freakin' Scott!

Davesaz! I demand a fully detailed readslist of EVERY alive slot in the game, pronto!
Submit to your boss, the best boss evah, Michael Freakin' Scott!

RCEnigma! I demand a fully detailed readslist of EVERY alive slot in the game, pronto!
Submit to your boss, the best boss evah, Michael Freakin' Scott!

BooneyTunzExtravaganza! I demand a fully detailed readslist of EVERY alive slot in the game, pronto!
Submit to your boss, the best boss evah, Michael Freakin' Scott!

Sore Feet! I demand a fully detailed readslist of EVERY alive slot in the game, pronto!
Submit to your boss, the best boss evah, Michael Freakin' Scott!

Let's start here.

[Michael Scott]

F it, good enough for me. You get a pass for the day!

[Michael Scott]

Like, I don’t understand how he got from, tr both me and Chk but would lynch me over Chk, to having me in his POE. Auro said Fonz accounted for the shift but I couldn’t find it.

Dave, can you produce for us a reads list?
Some ordered ranking of players, no need for detail.

[Michael Scott]

how the fuck is it actually this unclear that this was what I was talking about? I don't know, maybe my point is a lot more obvious to me than I thought

Yeah, I thought it was obvious as well. Weird.

[Michael Scott]

I have medium-strength reasons to townread Fonz apart from his play, which I won't be outing in thread right now.

[Michael Scott]

It was an accidental quote.

[Michael Scott]

I think I'm stronger in jjh!town as well right now. How about you?

[Michael Scott]

I mean, one reason the game's this way is that we're not bringing anyone close to lynch range. Yeah I know this game isn't D1 but we seemingly have low info and maybe the consensus PoE isn't much reliable, but doing that could kickstart the game.

Vote RCE?

[Michael Scott]

Why wouldn't he?

[Michael Scott]

I think I'm changing my mind on GeorgeBailey as well.

[Michael Scott]

well do you wanna just sleep then?

Absolutely. Starting to feel overworked. My pinky finger's beginning to hurt now.

[Michael Scott]

{Conspiracy, JJH420, Fondue, Davy Jones, Venom and Misery, Krusty Krabz, BooneyTunzNoob}
Apart from Fondue who do you think shouldn't be there

[Michael Scott]

Oh add ChkFlip too

[Michael Scott]

Volxen's way too busy with the entire Corona thing
Also apart from that there'd be less chances of Volxen ghosting if we were scum actually

[Michael Scott]

RCEnigma - liked one post from mechanic

lol you know who Mechanic is?

[Michael Scott]

Struggling to see why that one post moves rce into your "don't lynch" pile, do you not get any impression from rce at all?

[Michael Scott]

"skated away"? more detail with quoted posts?

[Michael Scott]

krusty krabz is this the point at which we start tunneling each other? :3

[Michael Scott]

he's not jokey enoiugh to be town

[Michael Scott]

he's not jokey enoiugh to be town

He’s a lot more jokey here than in that game.

Was joking lol, a reference to Excalibur

[Michael Scott]

I'm almost totally indifferent to endgaming or not though so if you decide you want to lynch me tomorrow let me know and we can talk about it

I mean I'm slightly concerned about our read differences also given I find your "not lynch" reasonings kinda bleh
Why do you want SF in the game again?

[Michael Scott]

It was Kokichi lol

[Michael Scott]

it's weird that you think Volxen doing the same is scummy when you've had direct experience of that, no?

[Michael Scott]

OK my other reason for Fonz town weakens now and still won't mention. hmm

[Michael Scott]

nancy what "cop thing" again? Can you explain?

[Michael Scott]

i'm out for a bit and this is what happens? oh gee

[Michael Scott]

[Michael Scott]

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

[Michael Scott]

The Fonz and Nancie

[Michael Scott]

ok not exactly, just the hugging part.
@Everyone, just vote George, let's see what happens.

[Michael Scott]

Apologies, man.
Cross game activity tell is ++strong and this beetlejuice is
Would you be able to catch up and perhaps make a stronger effort?

[Michael Scott]

Conspire

Explain.

[Michael Scott]

She has done that with both Varsoon and Creature.

Hmm, given all of this, your data becomes invalid @BooneyTunzExpert; can't argue that it's likelier she doesn't mention her buddies.
Agree?

[Michael Scott]

I will say that Mike's tell is dirty pool and I'm not excited to see the rules of mafia get skirted around by saying someone is posting somewhere else.

"Mike's tell" when Nancy pointed it out first and Fonz said he was going to check that anyway

[Michael Scott]

plus note the beetlejuice. Even as lost town he could've done *something* over just lurking out.

[Michael Scott]

[Michael Scott]

Watchu gonna do about it Chkflop

[Michael Scott]

Interesting. Thank you. I'd also still like to hear your RCE thoughts anyway.

[Michael Scott]

Claim picks too, btw.

[Michael Scott]

So if you thought it had a detrimental effect, pass to your SR, or if beneficial effect to your TR. Or just pass to Titus as well who was claiming to be able to make the barbs useful to town. I don't understand the mind set that deliberately avoids doing something confirmable.

I didn't know if it did either good or bad things tbh. Why would passing it to anyone make it confirmable?

It's like visiting. The larger the pool of known/claimed night actions, the easier it is to spot where people are lying.

Hm. Titus obviously found the barbs useful to her in some form as she picked that for the Boonus prize on night 1, so George holding on to the barb is very consistent with that

[Michael Scott]

lol I love how your name, occupation, interests, and sigline are all George Bailey xD

[Michael Scott]

xD

I love this, can I use this for future posts?

"xD" or the post? Either way sure

[Michael Scott]

<3

[Michael Scott]

if you're making me want to not lynch you, it's slightly working