Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[eyestott]

How’s the weather?

[eyestott]

Follow your heart, don’t make assumptions about the setup when we haven’t gotten a scum flip yet
What I mean is that we have no idea what power roles the scum have to balance things out

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I also crumbed my alignment all through this day
Like line two of this post

Do you mean role? Where else did you crumb it?

No I mean alignment

I mean all the times today that I’ve promised that I’m town, etc


That part of 2665 was meant to be humorous

Like, who the heck thinks to crumb alignment?

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Losing because of setup spec that turned out wrong is pretty unfortunate. But we’ll talk about that postgame.
What I can say with 100% certainty is that I am town.
I also crumbed my alignment all through this day
Like line two of this post

I’m town and you’re not.

In my eyes it has to be the Bulletproof or the Neapolitan that doesn't exist.

I'm really coming around to [Eyestott/Churros], [Paragon/Eyestott], [Paragon/Churros].

You say that either the BP or Nea that doesn't exist but you're putting me in two different scum teams and not mentioning Taly at all?

They don't want to call me scum because they know I'll bury them.

That's why they spent this game telling me I had good points but not actually acting on them because they were accurate, and they knew it.

I’m town, so I know that’s wrong


What do you say to THAT, huh?
Gottem

Paragon. I’m town. Please believe me. I swear on my life I’m not trying to dupe you.

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If scum has a more powerful role, and in a normal especially designed by RC it's 90% of the time a roleblocker, they would have supposedly roleblock'ed you yesterday.

I'm pretty confident that with no neighbours claimed, it's one scum PR and one mafia goon, and roleblocker would have acted already therefore it's an investigative power.

Damn, if we werent locked in this feud where we now know each others alignment I might actually believe you

[eyestott]

You know, Churros. Our friendship has inspired me
Maybe I’ll upload A cover of True Colours and dedicate it to you

I see your

true colours

shining through
I see your

true colours

, and that’s why I loooove you
So don’t be afraid to let them show your

true colours
True colours

are beautiful like a Churrroo

[eyestott]

haha, you say you're town so much, who are you trying to convince?

if you're going to go that route, then at least case why you are.

Ummmm
Paragon
Aloratom
Duh?


And I just did towncase

You and Churros haven’t thought to declare that you’re town anywhere near as much as me, maybe there’s a reason for that

[eyestott]

grumble grumble

I don't know. I should get back to work. Do you have any scumgame at all to link me, eyestott? Even one from a different site?

Aloratom! Get in here and do stuff at some point please.

I’ll see what I can do

[eyestott]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

It’s pretty bad, I’m embarrassed looking back through it
But I think it’s my only scum game on MS

[eyestott]

I dunno, making a wall just doesn’t feel genuine. Succinct points are where it’s at Taly.
Paragon, look at my D1. That doesn’t come from scum who hasn’t played mafia in over 5 years
I rest my gavel

[eyestott]

You're going to put me to sleep.

The shade


Are you prepared to get read, Taly? Cause the library is open

[eyestott]

If Churros is scum, he would know the setup by now, and be able to make arguments like the above one

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Paragon, just be careful.
Signing off

[eyestott]

I hope y’all appreciate that I’m ruining my sleep cycle for this game

[eyestott]

Alora and I? Me too.
Alo, what times are you free to talk?

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oh no, ive been scumreading eye pretty hard since his claim of checking Paragon last night.

Paragon, what do you think of Taly’s insistence that I should’ve tried to “clear” Churros last night
Even after I explained multiple times that that’s not how Neapolitan works
It just seems like a weird play, regardless of alignment

Taly
The only way scenario I could’ve gotten a positive result from Churros is if he is a VT fakeclaiming an investigative

I would’ve gotten a negative result if he was scum fakeclaiming, or Town PR telling the truth.
Therefore, THERE IS NO REASON FOR ME TO HAVE INVESTIGATED HIM.

[eyestott]

1pm

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My question directed at paragon just then can also be directed at you Alo
What do you think of Taly saying I should’ve targeted a claimed PR?
I’m in Australia

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Spoiler: Every time Taly or myself have talked about my decision to target Paragon in chronological order. Strikethroughs for the parts of posts that arent related to this. Taly has four sets of posting, each separated by me clarifying why targeting Churros would've been a bad idea.

Eye

, why didn't you try to confirm

Churros'

claim was correct?

It would've been very easy for

Churros

-scum to fake a claim altogether and then NK

S_S

So why was

Para

the best target here? He already claimed VT.

But Churros, eyestott checks for vanilla townies. He'd get a negative on you regardless of your alignment.

Exactly.

Eye

could've cleared

Churros'

claim on

S_S

being correct, and thus found a reliable - potentially town - PR.

If anything,

Eye

could've checked if

Churros

fakeclaimed, and if he did, that would've invalidated the

S_S

clear.

But that information doesn't benefit

Eye

-scum, who has more motivation to kill

S_S

over statements like:

I mean, of course I'm not going to die unless eyestott is scum.

Unless you had solid reasoning to believe

S_S

was the kill before EoD3, the fact that

Eye

had the ability to absolve one of the PRs N3 but didn't, is likelier because it wouldn't have served him.

Late-game, scum have to preserve themselves as much as possible by trying to find a reason to doubt EVERYBODY still alive.

Eye's

play executes this perfectly on

Churros

.

Think about why he checked you,

Paragon

:
Even in the world that you are town, he gets someone who he could pocket by having a soft

"clear"

on them, and an additional townie to push a lynch for.

Eye's

play - despite how you slice it - is suboptimal at best, and scum at worst. Makes perfect sense why

Scum Neapolitan

is a valued scum investigative:

It will out the Gun-Smith, 2shot-BP, and 1shot-Vig.

Paragon, what will it take for you to trust that I'm town?
I'm pretty sure at this point that the scumteam is Taly/Churros, mainly from a setup point of view. They also don't seem to understand how the neapolitan actually works.

Something_Smart was the most likely person to be nightkilled other than myself (Though scum leaving me alive to mislynch me now is a good play on their end) because a lynch on him was unlikely for today given the alleged clear from Churros. His death proves that it was the correct decision for me to NOT target him. Taly's question of "why didn't you target the person who ended up dead" answers itself.
Paragon, you asking me to investigate you IS in fact a reason why I investigated you. You taking the initiative to try to extend that leaf to me seemed towny in my eyes, and you're much more active right now than Alo, so It'd be much easier to work together with you than Alo.

Something_Smart was the most likely person to be nightkilled other than myself (Though scum leaving me alive to mislynch me now is a good play on their end) because a lynch on him was unlikely for today given the alleged clear from Churros.

His death proves that it was the correct decision for me to NOT target him.

OK, full-stop.

You thought

S_S'

was always dying N3... and that's the reason you didn't check

Churros

N3 to verify his claim?

What?

The point still stands, you could've greatly helped clear a scumread.

That's a disingenuous move and mode of thinking.

Maybe question PR claims after we lynch someone 4+ people agree is probable scum?

I'm not questioning them, I'm saying this lynch is fine because there's no way all 3 PR claims are fake given everyone else has claimed VT.

Something_Smart, do you believe this setup is balanced?

• 1 mafia rolecop
  
• 1 mafia goon
  
• 1 town 1-shot vig
  
• 1 town 2-shot BP
  
• 1 town novice 1-shot gunsmith
  
• 7 VT

Plus 1 town neapolitan. I'm not sure how he left that out. I'm also not sure how he assumes a mafia rolecop.

Anyway, one of these PRs has to be fake. That's just too much power for Town.

excuse you, do you think

eye

used his check N3 effectively?

instead of saying

"these PRs all are town but that's too much power"

then make a declarative statement or assessment that provides insight about the claims.

Alora, Neapolitan doesn’t work how you think it works


Scum Churros will return a result of not a vannjjla townie
PR Churros will return a result of not a vanilla townie
Why would I target him?

The only correct choices to target would’ve been either paragon or yourself.
Do you think I should’ve targeted you?
If so, why not ask me to target you during D3?

The only correct choices to target would’ve been either paragon or yourself.
Do you think I should’ve targeted you?
If so, why not ask me to target you during D3?

You could have picked Something_Smart also, right?

I could’ve, but with him being the NK, that would’ve been the incorrect decision

It's kind of weird, if you've always suspected I fakeclaimed, why were you content with me jumping into your pocket?

Need me to send you the posts as a reminder?

Can you explain what “me jumping into your pocket” means?

I townread you thinking you had no reason to want a claim as scum.

But you didn't argue this, yet you seem to believe that my PR claim is false from the beginning, or at least potentially.

If you believed my claim was false, why didn't you try to clear

Churros'

again? You still avoid this question.

It's kind of weird, if you've always suspected I fakeclaimed, why were you content with me jumping into your pocket?

Need me to send you the posts as a reminder?

Can you explain what “me jumping into your pocket” means?

I townread you thinking you had no reason to want a claim as scum.

But you didn't argue this, yet you seem to believe that my PR claim is false from the beginning, or at least potentially.

If you believed my claim was false, why didn't you try to clear

Churros'

again? You still avoid this question.

Clear churros by targeting him with my investigation?

Alora, Neapolitan doesn’t work how you think it works


Scum Churros will return a result of not a vannjjla townie
PR Churros will return a result of not a vanilla townie
Why would I target him?

I'm saying it's mostly in Paragon hands because without him, the tie that the game is currently in can't be solved, but a lot of agency on how this plays out as well? You've a vote, don't be pessimistic like that?

Even if things go wrong as well, I thought about it and want the message of this game to be "it's OK to be wrong". In fact I don't think we taking away the victory from eyesott right now is glorious at all because he put a pretty good perfomance until now and the only reason we're here might be the stacked setup. I would be ok with eyesott winning here by this point.

Then yeah, to both you/Paragon supposing you're town Taly,

it's OK to be wrong.

That's all.

V/LA until Tuesday's morning.

p-edit: I can see what you're talking about but I would rather focus on today. Thinking too much ahead is a moot point. Yesterday you thought I would turn into you but the game went in unexpected ways. The same can happen tomorrow. Live in the moment.

oh,

eye

AND

alo

have played a wonderful game, im actually really surprised with their ability, especially in a playerlist with multiple seasoned players. theyve also been the LAST people in the playerlist to actually garner concrete suspicion, which is a feat in any plist that is larger than a Micro.

and yeah, i have gotten invested in this game to being overly competitive and lashing out at others... which isnt like me, and i dont want this behavior to reflect me in future games.

i have no problem with anyone in this game, and actually, i like playing with all 4 of you

para/churros/eye/alo

. dont know if you feel the same way but i wouldnt be sensitive if you felt differently, haha.

but yeah, i do see a solve right now, im going to heed your advice, and we'll see.

p-edit

To be completely frank I'm not 100% on town!you as much as I think that eyesott/Alo with those interactions make more sense as well considering how you vs Alo acted around him today. Your claim makes plenty of sense to me as well considering we may have a scum!neapolitan. I'm not hedging in scum!you this dayphase because I'm doing that, I'm living in the moment.

If we get eye lynched today I'm surely getting NK tonight, and I think you're townier than Alo rn, therefore I'm taking things simple. Even if I wouldn't be NK'ed, I would still do this teamwork with you and take things simple until tomorrow. This is coming from someone that worried a lot about later days as town instead of focusing in the current thing. It never helped me.

In fact, you constantly hedging on scum!Eyesott and defending me, but in the end not voting eyesott, makes me slightly more paranoid of you but I'm gonna chalk it up for now as you being super cautious.

oh no, ive been scumreading

eye

pretty hard since his claim of checking

Paragon

last night.

im just not officially voting yet until i give a nuanced assessment, it feels the most fair.

oh no, ive been scumreading eye pretty hard since his claim of checking Paragon last night.

Paragon, what do you think of Taly’s insistence that I should’ve tried to “clear” Churros last night
Even after I explained multiple times that that’s not how Neapolitan works
It just seems like a weird play, regardless of alignment

Taly
The only way scenario I could’ve gotten a positive result from Churros is if he is a VT fakeclaiming an investigative

I would’ve gotten a negative result if he was scum fakeclaiming, or Town PR telling the truth.
Therefore, THERE IS NO REASON FOR ME TO HAVE INVESTIGATED HIM.

[eyestott]

Paragon, Alora! Nows our chance! Both the scum are V/LA, so now the town comes out to play!

[eyestott]

Taly even QUOTES THE ROLE FROM THE WIKI, yet is feigning ignorance.
What would you like to talk about, Para?

[eyestott]

Taly even QUOTES THE ROLE FROM THE WIKI, yet is feigning ignorance.
What would you like to talk about, Para?

I suppose I could ask you why you aren't trying to case Churros as scum more, given the fact you know he's scum from your perspective. What's your opinion of the Churros-Taly interactions from Day 1? The whole way Churros came in declaring Taly as his no.1 scumread, and then refusing to talk about it with him. And then the dejected way Taly reacted to it.

Why is that SvS?

Churros and I DO have a truce against casing eachother...... but this is important!

I haven’t actually looked back at D1 yet, but I’ll get around to that tomorrow morning (as in, in 8-12 hours)
I don’t know who is behind Churros as a player, but he seems like the kind of person to take charge and could easily make a ballsy play like that. Taly was never in any real threat of being lynched, and was townread by pretty much everyone at that point, as far as I can remember. So a new player comes in and shows a completely different perspective to everyone else? It’s definitely plausible. And then scum!Taly could easily feel blindsided by this, and channel that negative emotion to feign outrage.

But I’ll actually look at it tomorrow.

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The thing is, if our positions and roles were switched, I’d probably think you were scum purely because of setup imbalance

And so I have no idea how to combat setup-spec related arguments against me
Even though ultimately they’ll prove to be incorrect

[eyestott]

Alora, what can we talk about?

[eyestott]

It’s 1am! I’m committed to speaking with you!
And yeah, I’m about 70% sure you’re town now
But my read on you is irrelevant because if we lynch correctly today I can just investigate you tonight.

[eyestott]

Same.

Who are you thinking are the scum out of myself, Taly and Churros now?

[eyestott]

More importantly, are you willing to lynch either of Taly and Choo Choo Chooo Rose today?

[eyestott]

I’m still alive because I’m mislynch bait who messed up his first two actions

[eyestott]

By messed up, I mean either targeting that nights kill, or getting a negative result

[eyestott]

Okay, understood. What can I do to get you the other 30%?
I can actually upload a video of me singing true colours and you can look in my face as I tell you I’m town?

[eyestott]

By messed up, I mean either targeting that nights kill, or getting a negative result

Yes, that make sense.

Another thing is, Taly is planning ISOs on you and me, I guess. I'd kind of like to see those.

pedit: lmao -- No need to go that far! If you're going to do Cyndi, you go with All Through The Night. That's her best.

Who would you prefer to lynch out of Churros and Taly?

[eyestott]

Aw damn, I guess there should no alternative to me being town then!

[eyestott]

TWO CAN PLAY AT THIS GAME
VOTE: Paragon

[eyestott]

VOTE: Churros

[eyestott]

Damn, you beat me by 3 seconds

[eyestott]

Oof lol

I think I’d prefer a Churros lynch today, because we’ve been voting eachother for so long, there’s no way that he’s town. Taly vs Alo is about 80:20 now
We lynch Churros, scum kills me, Paragon has to pick between Taly vs Alo
We lynch Churros, scum kills paragon, I either confirm or catch Alo and need to convince Taly
We lynch Churros, scum kills Alo, We lynch Taly
We lynch Churros, scum kills Taly but fails, we kill Alo
All of those look winnable

[eyestott]

I’m going to sleep now. Talk to you in 8-ish hours.

[eyestott]

Paragon, Alo, take a look at page 49 between Churros and Taly. Do you see what I see?

[eyestott]

LOL

I thought novice meant "fails if you target mafia" eek

[eyestott]

Sigh, what is it with literally everyone in this LyLo dumtelling at some point?

eyestott didn't know what novice meant.
Taly doesn't know how neapolitan works.
Churros didn't know how neapolitan worked.
Aloratom didn't know how neapolitan worked.

2 of these are faked, because [/i]surely[/i] mafia would've cleared that up last night.

I’m sorry Paragon, I thought I was above reproach in this regard
Did you check out the page I mentioned?

[eyestott]

No Taly, you dont

[eyestott]

Oof lol

I think I’d prefer a Churros lynch today, because we’ve been voting eachother for so long, there’s no way that he’s town. Taly vs Alo is about 80:20 now
We lynch Churros, scum kills me, Paragon has to pick between Taly vs Alo
We lynch Churros, scum kills paragon, I either confirm or catch Alo and need to convince Taly
We lynch Churros, scum kills Alo, We lynch Taly

We lynch Churros, scum kills Taly but fails, we kill Alo

All of those look winnable

why are you even proposing a reality that I'm town when you keep pushing the narrative of

Churros+Me

scumteam? It's disingenuous.

Because the chance that you are town is non-zero?

[eyestott]

Taly, do you take back your saying that I should’ve targeted Churros?

[eyestott]

Oof lol

I think I’d prefer a Churros lynch today, because we’ve been voting eachother for so long, there’s no way that he’s town. Taly vs Alo is about 80:20 now
We lynch Churros, scum kills me, Paragon has to pick between Taly vs Alo
We lynch Churros, scum kills paragon, I either confirm or catch Alo and need to convince Taly
We lynch Churros, scum kills Alo, We lynch Taly

We lynch Churros, scum kills Taly but fails, we kill Alo

All of those look winnable

why are you even proposing a reality that I'm town when you keep pushing the narrative of

Churros+Me

scumteam? It's disingenuous.

Because the chance that you are town is non-zero?

then why do you continually paint the narrative that im scum with

churros

when there's a reality that im town?

why arent you evaluating

alo

in the same context if he's potential scum?

better yet, why dont you try to convince me

churros

is scum if you're so confident that he always ends up being so here?

Because your read on me is town on odd days and scum on even days. So I just need to, if you’re town, keep you alive till D5 :p

In all seriousness, I’m trying to focus on getting my townreads to vote with me, and you seem pretty set on casing me today and I don’t think I’d be able to sway you. If I focus on everyone, I don’t think I could convince anyone of my innocence.

[eyestott]

i see now that it's not a strong point now, thinking about ways you could've confirmed people

it just feels weird that you know there's a way to doubt the current claims in the game (as some are fakeclaims) but you dont verify that

but yeah, i take it back but i still think NKA leads you as likelier scum, how am i wrong?

There’s no way for me to doubt a fake claim, unless scum fake claims VT. That’s all I can check for. And that’s what I AM checking for. Look at the suggested strategy for a Neapolitan on the wiki. Have I not been targeting the correct people according to that?

[eyestott]

im scum with

fuzzy

i could be scum with

ndmath

watch out if i am scum with

blake

!!

im scum with

eye

or

churros

regardless of how you look at it

This isn’t constructive Taly.
I’m trying to be amicable with you and discuss things on the chance that you’re town, but AtE like this makes it difficult for me to do so

[eyestott]

You can appeal to emotion without actually being emotional
Like, what are you trying to achieve by saying stuff like that?

[eyestott]

i see now that it's not a strong point now, thinking about ways you could've confirmed people

it just feels weird that you know there's a way to doubt the current claims in the game (as some are fakeclaims) but you dont verify that

but yeah, i take it back but i still think NKA leads you as likelier scum, how am i wrong?

There’s no way for me to doubt a fake claim, unless scum fake claims VT. That’s all I can check for. And that’s what I AM checking for. Look at the suggested strategy for a Neapolitan on the wiki. Have I not been targeting the correct people according to that?

OK fine, but who do you think committed the NKs that they did and why?

This would be a lot easier to answer If I remembered ever making a night kill, but I’ll give it a try.
Where can I find scholarly research on NKA?

[eyestott]

I think the standout night kill is S_S. He’s not exactly in the same category as Luca or Blake.


Luca would be an easy choice for anyone as scum. He was widely townread, especially given the circumstances behind Rabid Schnauzer replacing out
Looking back at Blake now

[eyestott]

There’s no way that Blake Vigs Luca, while scum kills pops. Do you disagree?

[eyestott]

I can’t find a good reason why Blake was NKed. All three of Taly/Capsicum/Alo were townread by her at EoD. So there must be a reason that I cannot think of. Unless Churros is in fact, an investigative of some kind and targeted her night one.
But If I were a scum investigative I wouldn’t use it on Yshtola night 1. Would be more likely to pick someone who is less active than normal, possibly trying to not attract attention

[eyestott]

S_S was, I suspect, killed for being confirmed, to lend credibility to Churros’ claim. Was the obvious choice for the night kill, but more out of necessity because of Churros claim (especially for Churros scum)
Leaving S_S alive would’ve secured a lynch on Churros much more reliably than killing him

[eyestott]

Taly, will you be here in 9 hours?

[eyestott]

I’m more okay with that vote now than when I first saw the vote. I agree that Taly/Alo is TvS, so it’s safe to put a vote there.
I don’t think you’re going to achieve an Alo vote today unless you can make me more sure of Alo than Churros

I9 hours cause I’m going to bed

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

[eyestott]

Not hammering. I know for a fact that you’re scum churros, otherwise this day would’ve ended sooner.
Paragon, don’t you dare hammer Alo. This vote stays between churros and myself.

[eyestott]

To clarify; this is Exactly the play that Scum Taly/Churros would make to end this day.

[eyestott]

No. I’m sure that Churros is scum because of it were TvT, Alo and Taly would’ve hopped on either of us and won the game. This has not happened, therefore I have a 100% chance of hitting scum by vote parking.

[eyestott]

Okay almost everyone is here, looks like I’m staying up

[eyestott]

No. I’m sure that Churros is scum because of it were TvT, Alo and Taly would’ve hopped on either of us and won the game. This has not happened, therefore I have a 100% chance of hitting scum by vote parking.

you can literally make the same argument for you being conftown for

me/alo

not hopping onto you.

this assessment is confbias.

I don’t understand

[eyestott]

Actually it would be a bit more suspicious than what I had as Paragon, but still less bad than Alo because Eye ignored Taly and handheld Alo in an engagement "explaining" the role.

Either way, from my PoV Taly is confirmed since you didn't hammer either.

I most definitely did not ignore Taly

[eyestott]

eye

i didnt know you were going to flake on the

"why is

alo

town?"

question

please answer, even if you think

churros

is scum

Sorry, thought I was gonna sleep but didn’t!
I think alo is town because his interactions with Churros don’t ping me as SvS
He’s also only been at all suspicious once, which was his paranoid response to my town case on him. Yeah
But also, I don’t actually NEED to sort Taly/Alo today, because I know for a fact now that Churros is scum, and so tomorrow I’ll either be dead or I’ll have a conclusive result on Alo’s claim credibility.

[eyestott]

No. I’m sure that Churros is scum because of it were TvT, Alo and Taly would’ve hopped on either of us and won the game. This has not happened, therefore I have a 100% chance of hitting scum by vote parking.

you can literally make the same argument for you being conftown for

me/alo

not hopping onto you.

this assessment is confbias.

I don’t understand

you were voted by

churros

so

alo/I

-scum could've voted you and won, but you've never entertained the reality.

you going with the idea that

churros

is confscum based on the fact that

me/Alo

didn't hop on him is a stretch for the same reasons.

so, why is

churros

scum and you town? and why is MY vote scum-indicative, and

alo

not voting town-indicative?

I’m so confused right now. From my POV the only way churros can be scum is if you and Alo are scum. And if that is the case, the game should’ve been over the instant you and Alo were online at the same time. Since the game is running cube only logical conclusion is that one of you is town, and I am in fact, in a TvS.

[eyestott]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

You know what'd be helpful, if I actually went looking for other 12 player games with 2 scum, and see what kind of roles are used balance-wise. Will do that later.

Paragon, don’t make the assumption that every game is balanced. This day is dragging out enough
Make your vote quickly because this is actually quite taxing

[eyestott]

No. I’m sure that Churros is scum because of it were TvT, Alo and Taly would’ve hopped on either of us and won the game. This has not happened, therefore I have a 100% chance of hitting scum by vote parking.

you can literally make the same argument for you being conftown for

me/alo

not hopping onto you.

this assessment is confbias.

I don’t understand

you were voted by

churros

so

alo/I

-scum could've voted you and won, but you've never entertained the reality.

you going with the idea that

churros

is confscum based on the fact that

me/Alo

didn't hop on him is a stretch for the same reasons.

so, why is

churros

scum and you town? and why is MY vote scum-indicative, and

alo

not voting town-indicative?

I’m so confused right now. From my POV the only way churros can be scum is if you and Alo are scum. And if that is the case, the game should’ve been over the instant you and Alo were online at the same time. Since the game is running cube only logical conclusion is that one of you is town, and I am in fact, in a TvS.

im even more confused

when was

Churros/Alo/Taly

a thing of possibility D3 and why???

and why is

Churros

the confscum here and not either me or

Alo

?

I’m not talking about day 3 at all.
I’m saying that right now, Chach is confscum to me. Purely because we’re both voting eachother and the game isn’t over.

[eyestott]

Arghhhhhh the suspense is killing me Para, why can’t you just pick up on my town vibes and see Churros for the scum he is

[eyestott]

No. I’m sure that Churros is scum because of it were TvT, Alo and Taly would’ve hopped on either of us and won the game. This has not happened, therefore I have a 100% chance of hitting scum by vote parking.

you can literally make the same argument for you being conftown for

me/alo

not hopping onto you.

this assessment is confbias.

I don’t understand

you were voted by

churros

so

alo/I

-scum could've voted you and won, but you've never entertained the reality.

you going with the idea that

churros

is confscum based on the fact that

me/Alo

didn't hop on him is a stretch for the same reasons.

so, why is

churros

scum and you town? and why is MY vote scum-indicative, and

alo

not voting town-indicative?

I’m so confused right now. From my POV the only way churros can be scum is if you and Alo are scum. And if that is the case, the game should’ve been over the instant you and Alo were online at the same time. Since the game is running cube only logical conclusion is that one of you is town, and I am in fact, in a TvS.

im even more confused

when was

Churros/Alo/Taly

a thing of possibility D3 and why???

and why is

Churros

the confscum here and not either me or

Alo

?

I’m not talking about day 3 at all.
I’m saying that right now, Chach is confscum to me.

Purely because we’re both voting eachother and the game isn’t over.

Exactly, this situations applies to BOTH of you.

So it's not helpful for

Me/Alo/Para

to read your assessment of

"

Churros!scum

is real!!1!"

when there's reason to believe that you're scum and

Churros

is town, in the reverse situation.

So you need to be more constructive in tying your POV/read progression on

Me/Churros/Alo

so we can actually follow you...

RIght, okay. I get you. But there’s also no reason for me to move my vote from someone who (as either alignment) will 100% bring me closer to my win condition.

[eyestott]

And the fact that Churros has done so is inherently antitown. Because as town, each time you vote a new person in LyLo, that’s a new chance the scum gets to pile on your vote.

[eyestott]

Blech.

Alo, it’s looking to be either Churros or you that gets lynched. I suggest you vote Churros.

[eyestott]

And the fact that Churros has done so is inherently antitown. Because as town, each time you vote a new person in LyLo, that’s a new chance the scum gets to pile on your vote.

you've got a pretty narrow viewpoint on how scum and town should play in lylo.

This is my first LyLo in years...
‘I’m not willing to take the chance on either of Taly or Alo right now when I have a sure bet on the person who was voting me’
That mentality is not present in Churros.

[eyestott]

Blech.

Alo, it’s looking to be either Churros or you that gets lynched. I suggest you vote Churros.

why not suggest voting me?

Because you’re not 100% scum in my eyes but Chandelier is

[eyestott]

I’m going to bed. Looking forward to speaking with you Alo.

[eyestott]

Huge family emergency, unsure how long this will take to resolve.

[eyestott]

LOL

I thought novice meant "fails if you target mafia" eek

Why/when did you decide to look this up?

I like looking at the new bans and why they happen
Someone has their mod experience revoked, so I looked st the game they abandoned and there were two novice trackers (and a normal tracker too lol), and saw the role pm.

[eyestott]

You know,

Eye

, I have a lot of thoughts with your progression here

i think

para

is probably always town here, town in respect to

churros

and town in respect to

eye

i dont think

Eye/Churros

is SvS or TvT

PoE leads to this

VOTE: Aloratom

i think para is probably always town here, town in respect to churros and town in respect to eye

like, i dont think

churros/eye/even alo

-scum in any reality gamethrow to

para

unless he's town

I’m more okay with that vote now than when I first saw the vote. I agree that Taly/Alo is TvS, so it’s safe to put a vote there.
I don’t think you’re going to achieve an Alo vote today unless you can make me more sure of Alo than Churros

I9 hours cause I’m going to bed

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

regardless of claim validity, it is such a ballsy and atypical move for

alo/churros/eye

-scum (in their respective realities) to place emphasis on

para's

opinion if he were scum

because

para

probably would've made a sound decision as scum with the presented information, he has all the reason to

hes literally in a gamestate where he isnt a threat of a lynch regardless of what happens AND people want him to agree with them, so he must have both town accurately reading him AND scum trying to convince him of their narrative.

so, i think gamestate points to

para

-town here, now that i think about it.

VOTE: Alo

Let's just end this day already at least

Eye feel free to hammer this if it's Taly + Eye and I'm a silly person while paragon is GOAT

If Taly is town I'm nomming myself as GOAT though

Not hammering. I know for a fact that you’re scum churros, otherwise this day would’ve ended sooner.
Paragon, don’t you dare hammer Alo. This vote stays between churros and myself.

To clarify; this is Exactly the play that Scum Taly/Churros would make to end this day.

You went from

"I agree that

Taly/Alo

is TvS so a vote is good there"

to

"This is the exact play

Taly/Churros

-scum were going to do"

the moment

Churros

followed the vote.

Not only is that inconsistent to how we would've performed a lynch wagon as scum (it would've begun much sooner than 4 days from deadline), but it's also inconsistent in how you read

Alo

and I.

You address that my SINGULAR vote could be town (unless I'm completely misreading), and there's no issue because

"

Alo

could be scum as well"

But the whole narrative you see my posts depends on what

Churros

does...

I'm scum with him because HE votes, not because of MY vote onto

ALO

1)

You acknowledge credibility to an

Alo

push but reserve yourself from following it, more or less agree with me because

"I'm non-zero likelihood of being town"

2798

2)

But all of that is invalidated ONLY because your scumread,

Churros

, felt the same.

You keep waffling on having an unclear TvS read on

Alo/Me

, but you switch tunes to

Taly/Churros

is scum whenever

Alo

gets L-1'd.

It doesn't seem like you think I'm ever town here if how you view me is so fickle and based on ANOTHER player's actions. It's very tunnel-minded regarding how you treat

Churros

, and fake in how you sort me.
It doesn't seem like you could think

Alo

is potential scum because you're defending him here, in a VERY subtle manner. You're making the blanket assertion that it's a scum-motivated move to EVER vote

Alo

here, despite noticing that there should be suspicion there.

None of this reads as genuine to me, and I really need you to dispel your thought process.

So, let’s say I spot you putting some hydrogen on a sleeping person. It’s not inherently scummy to do.
But then, immediately afterwords, someone dumps some chlorine on them. It still needs water to kill them, but because of the context, it changes the scumminess of both actions, because it makes it seem premeditated


That’s kinda what I’m saying here. You voting Alo is slightly counterproductive but not alignment indicative (because there’s already a 1v1 going on).
However, Churros moving his vote from someone who is definitely the opposite alignment to him to someone who only might be doesn’t make sense unless is comes from scum, and makes it seem like you two might be trying to get a compromise lynch through.

[eyestott]

The point is, I will morning be voting you or Alo today. I am keeping my vote right where it is. I can use my investigation to sort you and Alo for me.

[eyestott]

So, Taly. How about I just treat you and Alo as town? Let’s get a Churros lynch through please. We can lynch Alo tomorrow if I get a negative result on him.

[eyestott]

I'm at L-1. I don't know why, and, sorry but I don't really care right now. I'm tired of this game. I'm pushing reading what happened today off until tomorrow. Taly, Paragon, please don't hammer me yet.

It’s not Churros and I that are voting you, it’s Churros and Taly. From your perspective, they must be both be scum, right? Otherwise if either Para or I were scum, we’d have hammered you. Have you already realised this?

[eyestott]

I’m not sure what I can do to help you understand what I’m saying Taly. I’m trying to explain when things I say are from other people’s perspectives. I can see how;
From TalyTowns perspective, voting Aloratom makes sense, and also how frustrating my attitude might be.
From AloraTown perspective, eyestott and Paragon must be town
From ChurrosTown perspective, moving off of ObvscumEyestott makes no sense when he was not sure Taly was town
From Paragons perspectives this is confusing as hell

Do I need to be more clear when I’m talking from other people’s perspective?

[eyestott]

Paragon, Alo, take a look at page 49 between Churros and Taly. Do you see what I see?

I looked at this. I guess I need you to explain please.

It’s mainly that Churros comes in with a controversial vote and refuses to really back it up with justification, like he’s trying to get townie points for having a new perspective
It’s more telling about Churros than Taly

[eyestott]

Hold up, game theory talk
Am I correct in this assumption:


In LyLo, if town votes town, the mafia can just pile on and hammer the town, winning the game.
So if two people have voted eachother, and no one has hammered either of them for days, that pair must not be TvT

Is this accurate?

[eyestott]

I’m going to briefly explain what I see each persons perspective (if they are town) is at the moment.

[eyestott]

Aloratom:
I’m at l-1 in LyLo. If eyestott or paragon are scum, they can vote me and win the game.
But I haven’t been voted.
That must mean that either paragon or eyestott are playing counter to their win con, or they are both town
This means that Taly and Churros are scum.

[eyestott]

Churros:

I’m in a 1v1 with eyestott at the moment.
If we were both town, one of us would’ve been hammered by the two scum by now.
Therefore eyestott is scum.
If Alo is town, eyestott would’ve hammered him by now. Since he hasn’t, Aloratom must be scum.
(This justifies keeping his vote on Alo, but not the initial vote itself.)

[eyestott]

Taly:
Eyestott has cleared Paragon. Therefore, paragon can only be scum if eyestott is.
If Alo were town, he’d have been hammered by now, so he must be scum.
Paragon cannot be on a scumteam with Alo, so Paragon must be town.
Alo’s partner must be Eyestott or Churros.

[eyestott]

Paragon:
If Eye and Churros were TvT, Taly/Alo would’ve hammered them by now, therefore there is a scum within eye/churros.
If eyestott were in a team with Churros or Taly, he’d have hammered Alo by now.
So eyestott can only be scum if Alo is.
Therefore scum team must be Eye/Alo or Churros/Taly or Churros/Alo

[eyestott]

Eyestott:
I know paragon to be innocent.
I’m in a 1v1 with Churros. If he were town, Taly/Alo would’ve hammered one of us by now. Therefore churros is scum.
If I get Churros lynched today, I can investigate Aloratom tonight. If I get a positive result, this confirms his claim of VT and Taly must be scum. If I get a negative result, this confirms that Alora is fakeclaiming and must be scum.
Either way, I can sort out Alo/Taly tonight, so why risk voting either of them today?

[eyestott]

Interestingly, Paragon is confirmed town from everyone’s perspective now.

[eyestott]

MVA?

Alo, is my assessment in 2954 accurate? If so, why haven't you voted yet? If not, how could para or I still be scum?

[eyestott]

Relieved that you finally understand what I mean Alo.
Doesn’t make you town, it just makes you not confscum :p

[eyestott]

I’m more than happy to sort you when I target you tonight

[eyestott]

This game is up to Paragon now. So don’t worry too much about activity Alo.

[eyestott]

nomnomnom

: what’s the maximum amount of blank posts you’d be willing to post to ensure a page top?

4-5 max probably - nomnomnom

[eyestott]

I’m a Mario fan too! All of the 3D Mario games are ridiculously good. I remember once, when me and my siblings were kids, our parents accidentally deleted our Super Mario 64 save file with 70 stars! So they spent the whole school day trying to get them back! They never found the wing cap, so that made it even harder!

[eyestott]

Paragon, I think I speak for everyone when I say

Just vote