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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:34 am
by humaneatingmonkey
Unlike you, English isn't my first language. So I can only understand it if they're easy sentences, and not
traditional.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:37 am
by InWho22
In post 199, humaneatingmonkey wrote:@InWho22
Okay I answered this before as scum (my previous game with Holden), but this is how I figure out if someone is town vs scum: organic behavior and town motivation vs inorganic behavior and wolfy motivation.
It's all tonal. It's not a final read, but it's my best tool to use on day 1.
Organic behavior refers to actions: your actions need to come from a real, natural place. Same as what Aloratom was saying. No leaps of logic were made. No fabrications. No forcing. Even if you make mistakes, just as long as they're coming from an understandable place. Contrast, inorganic behavior where leaps of logic were made to justify a vote. Reads are fabricated and forced. They make mistakes like this because they have to fake not having information, fake scumhunting, fake everything.
Town motivation refers to reasons: your point of view should reflect someone who has no information, no agenda other than to figure out who could be scum. This means you'll have paranoia, self-preservation, concern for the town win condition, etc.
You can fake these, but it's very hard.
Townhunting is as good as scumhunting, because you can use the process of elimination to move on to other people who can be scum.
So do I think you're town? You're probably town. Do I think you're scum? Right now, I think there are other people who could be more scum than you are.
This makes sense, and is pretty good advice. Good SE
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:39 am
by humaneatingmonkey
Now scan the thread and tell me who you think is town or scum based on these guidelines.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:41 am
by Aloratom
In post 200, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Unlike you, English isn't my first language. So I can only understand it if they're easy sentences, and not
traditional.
I apologize for making an ethnocentric assumption. It was a snarky answer by me as well, which was not called for.
You asked, "I thought you didn't have opinions on the rest of the players?"
I answered, "Answering why I think someone may think something is different."
I answered this way because what I had said originally was that I didn't have much of an opinion on anyone at this point. My answer to you was meant to convey that answering InWho's question from the point of view of someone else wasn't the same as answering it from my point of view.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:48 am
by Aloratom
Does this mean that the bolded part of this: "It definitely wasn't because I slept on it,
and was 100% because I would rather appease a player making a weak push that will never actually lead to my lynch anyway
," was sarcasm?
Or should I just leave an open-ended question and ask what you meant by "@Aloratom, lol...?"
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:56 am
by InWho22
Good idea, I will return in some amount of time.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:01 am
by LuckyLuciano
In post 204, Aloratom wrote:
Does this mean that the bolded part of this: "It definitely wasn't because I slept on it,
and was 100% because I would rather appease a player making a weak push that will never actually lead to my lynch anyway
," was sarcasm?
Or should I just leave an open-ended question and ask what you meant by "@Aloratom, lol...?"
Yes.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:39 am
by 3bounty
In post 130, Aloratom wrote: In post 89, 3bounty wrote:
Seemed like distancing. There was also something thrown in there about how scum would never vote eachother in that scenario, and they were voting eachother.
After their recent 1v1 has your read changed?
Yeah, that is too much to be acting imo.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:48 am
by Yooh
In post 96, Kirari Momobami wrote:I feel like thinking 'what if the person reading the game the same way as me is scum' is just about the least efficient way to play day 1
This is sound like "best practical play". Would you teach me more about this (For all SE) ? I get the point it might be not efficient, but following someone / being followed bring up a lot of paranoia. If this is not allowed to discussed, remind me when the game's end.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:48 am
by Yooh
I was asking the reason she posted
#76. I thought she posted it to make the tunneling by Monkey to Lucky cooled down a bit with being nice as reason. She might get town-read for cooling those down.
In post 112, Aloratom wrote:If playing scum means you're paying more attention to detail, why would you not realize your vote isn't being counted? Or am I misreading you?
May I know what was your understanding before Lucky's answer? As you answer in #121 you want to understand Lucky.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:48 am
by Yooh
Alright, my real problem is you're playing very passively when you were trying to get reaction. I don't even know why you never ask me asked so many questions. I get you're pressured, i get you're playing defensively, i don't know the reason though, but personally I don't like waiting and watching when I get null reaction.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:49 am
by Yooh
In post 107, InWho22 wrote:So far, I don't feel like LL is certain scum but I definitely can't place him as town either, based on his anti-town behavior.
Are there any reason to keep your vote in him?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:50 am
by Yooh
@3Bounty : Any read so far?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:51 am
by Yooh
I don't like Holden's posts at page 7 and 8, but maybe I'm just too serious for this.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:15 am
by HoldenGolden
In post 208, Yooh wrote: In post 96, Kirari Momobami wrote:I feel like thinking 'what if the person reading the game the same way as me is scum' is just about the least efficient way to play day 1
This is sound like "best practical play". Would you teach me more about this (For all SE) ? I get the point it might be not efficient, but following someone / being followed bring up a lot of paranoia. If this is not allowed to discussed, remind me when the game's end.
In essence, this game espeically on day one is a game of philosophy. The reason its tend not to be good practice to suspect your town reads is that it wides what is called a PoE pool. PoE is process of elimination, and is the strongest ability for town to catch scum. If you can get enough town reads together that you feel 70-99% sure of, you can win the game.
Now can you be wrong? Absolutely, but those players will most likely out themselves as scum at some point. A post you read day 3 sounds sketchy than it did day 1. That's fine to make a different judgement call then. But constantly thinking your townreads can still be scum nullifies the point of a townread.
This is also relating to the principle of octums razor, IE the simplest explanation is the likely solution.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:15 am
by Kirari Momobami
In post 107, InWho22 wrote:Also, this is my first game, so take this more as stream of consciousness than thought-out ideas until I get a grip on the game.
good sentence
I think we can safely say the self-meta more "was" counterproductive then 'seemed' that way
In post 110, HoldenGolden wrote:I do not like the feeling of beating people with wooden sticks for information. Reminds me too much of childhood
In post 140, InWho22 wrote:the irl game just being people voting for their friends as memes in RVS.
Sounds like you have a perfect comprehension of RVS then :3
In post 152, InWho22 wrote:As far as I remembered, the math was different and I put it from 1-1-2 to 1-2-2. Sorry for that.
Maths is scummy
In post 173, InWho22 wrote:Why do you think I'm town based on talking about an unrelated game?
Damn it would have been townier to just take the townread I think LOL
In post 175, Aloratom wrote:I don't have much of an opinion on anyone yet. I generally don't get decent reads from the first few pages.
Damn and I was almost warning up on this slot too
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:16 am
by HoldenGolden
In other news, I feel better moving Yooh to a townlean.
In post 213, Yooh wrote:I don't like Holden's posts at page 7 and 8, but maybe I'm just too serious for this.
Feel free to expand the main idea of your post.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:16 am
by Kirari Momobami
ngl for 5 pages of all the people I said were scum talking to each other those 5 pages did not help my reads nearly as much as I would have liked them to
VOTE: peaches anyway it is time for content pushes so I'll join this
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:19 am
by HoldenGolden
Fuck my bad. Just did my latin work so I didnt spell it right. The correct name is occam's razor.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:20 am
by Kirari Momobami
In post 208, Yooh wrote:This is sound like "best practical play". Would you teach me more about this (For all SE) ? I get the point it might be not efficient, but following someone / being followed bring up a lot of paranoia. If this is not allowed to discussed, remind me when the game's end.
To put the SE hat full on, this is a bigger philosophical conversation than probably belongs in this specific game, but I'll make the following observations:
a) scum has to lynch town to win
b) scum letting scum get lynched day 1 in this setup can sometimes lead to an immediate mechanical loss (one problem with this setup tbh but that's aside the point)
c) town does not have to lynch scum day 1 to win, and in fact it is fine for a vt to get lynched most of the time
d) because scum at some point have to try to lynch town, townreading slots that are scumreading you and scumreading slots that are townreading you is just intrinsically more dangerous when you have the minimum of information (natural state of day 1)
e) wagons are more meaningful when they are more developed. 2/2/2 is more informative than 1/1/1/1/1/1 and 3/3 is more informative than either (imo)
Anyway don't want to hijack this with a philosophical conversation that is not 100% pertinent to this game particularly when my alignment is still only townlean/null for most of the game
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:23 am
by Kirari Momobami
Probably too early for a readslist request but 3bounty could you talk about a wider range of players in the game because you're the next lowest after peaches in my "need more content" list
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:40 am
by 3bounty
In post 220, Kirari Momobami wrote:Probably too early for a readslist request but 3bounty could you talk about a wider range of players in the game because you're the next lowest after peaches in my "need more content" list
Which player specifically? I am getting town vibes from Holden if that helps.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:41 am
by 3bounty
InWho22 neutral.
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:42 am
by Kirari Momobami
Are you still satisfied with your rvs vote then?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:43 am
by Kirari Momobami
Alora, yooh?