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Post Post #1831 (isolation #200) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:34 am

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In post 1824, Vecna wrote:
In post 1780, GuiltyLion wrote:I still kinda want to just lynch iDanyBoy or Gamma in a vacuum, they're my strongest independent scumreads.

Yesterday I felt that Blake was scum but given that ABR/BM are both still alive, I'm a little less eager to jump to a quick conclusion there. I'm also not sure it's something that has to be resolved today.
Guilty lion keeps posting exactly the thoughts that are in my head.

How did both ABR and BM survive both N1 and N2 after that D1?

It might be a scum ploy to make them look suspicious, but in this game town has plenty of stuff to be suspicious about already.

It stands out.

Also, blake and Drixx seem to have zero interest in thsi game at all. Drixx makes a post and its some talk about his internal mech thinking. Who does that after all the shit that has gone down as town, knowing you havent participated in the main threat at all (pretty much).

Also, that hammer on Xtox went through reallly really quickly.....
BM was being extremely arrogant and annoying yesterday about xtoxm. I suspect BM still is going to be playing incredibly stupidly for the rest of the game and thats why hes alive. BM also claimed bulletproof so make of that what you will.

I'm a VT, no powers.

I feel incredibly betrayed by xtoxm lynch yesterday and BM had no remorse whatsoever. He's just incredibly dumb.

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Post Post #1832 (isolation #201) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:37 am

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In post 1813, Battle Mage wrote:
Why ABR is scum


1. PT Behaviour on Day 1 and post-lynch:


I noted at outset of Day 2 his behaviour in PT is exactly what I would expect from him as scum (and only Momo's behaviour made me think he was clean).
He was initially not keen to throw suspicion on others in the hood, and just wanted everyone to follow him. He just 'assumed' Momo and I were town, and only suggested Pine was scum when Pine wouldn't toe the line. ABR was non-committal on my Momo scum-read, and didn't engage with it until after the flip. After the flip, he was excited and jubilant, and claimed credit for the lynch.

2. Flavour:


As noted in my setup theory, I think Amanda Young is highly likely in the game, as a survivor. ABR has instead claimed, in the PT, that he is Corbett Denlon - the child of 2 confirmed townies. She was not a prominent feature of the film franchise, so I'm not sure she would be a character in the game, especially given both her parents were. She was also never subject to Jigsaw's traps, so I wouldn't really call her a 'survivor' at all, and she'd be way way down on the list of likely survivor characters compared to Amanda Young. Gut says it MUST be a fakeclaim.

3. PT Behaviour Night 1 onwards:


During Night 1, ABR suddenly became frantically active in the PT, having neglected it for a while before that (me and Pine were both stuck in traps at this point of course). He claimed his role and flavour, and also claimed that Xtoxm was a "mailman" (incidentally, not what he flipped), and then gave the story I repeated yesterday in order to make me suspect Xtoxm, which on reflection may not have been true. He was not keen on my suggestion of lynching those not in a PT, which suggests if ABR flips scum, there is some more credence to it. I made it clear that I didn't trust him (by not reciprocating his claim, or sharing info about what happened to me in my trap), and since then he has become very angry and aggressive in the PT.

4. Momo wagon:


ABR was not at all eager to get on the Momo wagon, despite my endless cajoling, and the fact he was pretty happy wagonning everybody else.

5. His approach to the hood:


ABR was very keen to reveal the identities of people in the hood, has put lots of effort into protecting everyone in that hood during the day, and has taken a firm line that 1 scum-flip confirms the others as town. Which is exactly what he would do as scum, knowing that 50% of the hood was scum.

6. No Traps:


If ABR was town, I think he would have been high on the list for scum to trap. He has claimed that he doesn't have any immunity to this. This is not conclusive, but very suspicious given scum have focussed on other veterans like me and Farside.

I'm stopping at 6 for now, there is more, but I think that's plenty, and everything else in the main thread so you can form your own view.

Vote: ABR
By far the dumbest case I ever read and way worse than Xtoxm.

You have lost all credibility after yesterday.
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Post Post #1834 (isolation #202) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:40 am

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Why was BM so sure of xtoxm yesterday that every post he made was a death tunnel?

Without me there's no momo lynch Day 1. BMs theory is 2 scum in a 4 person hood AND I TRY TO MURDER BOTH MY HOOD MATES PINE AND BM N1?????
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Post Post #1836 (isolation #203) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:42 am

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Maybe BM is paranoid because all my predictions are accurate, everyone killed at night was someone I townread so far. In any case Blake is scum and after today we can stop listening to BM forever.
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Post Post #1838 (isolation #204) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:46 am

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In post 1835, Vecna wrote:
In post 1748, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Well we already know Xtoxm's claim actually since he sent it to me via pm last night.
In post 1713, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1711, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1708, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yeah Blake, what do you think about dany?
She's just protecting Xtoxm dude, it's distraction tactics.
You've got my support but I think both should claim today.
In post 1754, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: xtoxm
In post 1749, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ayt. Pisskop wanna vote xtoxm?

You say you feel extremely "betrayed" by the xtoxm wagon?
I was townreading Xtoxm. His idea Xtoxm was Jigsaw didn't even make any sense but I was too annoyed to fight for a blake lynch.

After the flip I just realized he wanted to kill xtoxm for personal reasons. I tried to get him on track yesterday but his confbias was too annoying to deal with for a whole day.

I feel disgusted by the whole thing and I should never give leadership up to BM or any inferior player.
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #205) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:47 am

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In post 1837, Battle Mage wrote:Spoiler: It's because ABR is scum.
Stop being annoying. Remember what happened yesterday.
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Post Post #1842 (isolation #206) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:49 am

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In post 1840, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1830, Vecna wrote:
In post 1818, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1816, Morning Tweet wrote:relying on info from your neighbourhood is responsible for both our pretty good day one performance (partly), as well as the botched d2. a mixed bag of results it is isnt it
Well in my defence, Day 1 was based on my own independent scum-read of Momo. Day 2 was based on my interpretation of what ABR told me, which was (as revealed)
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partially untrue.
Would scum ABR really focus on hunting scum in his own neighbourhood if 50% there is scum though?
That's precisely my point - he hasn't. He's just asserted we are town and that's it.
Why would I co-lead lynch on 1 scumbuddy and then kill both hoodmates N1? Your theory is stupid.
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Post Post #1843 (isolation #207) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:49 am

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In post 1841, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1839, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1837, Battle Mage wrote:Spoiler: It's because ABR is scum.
Stop being annoying. Remember what happened yesterday.
Yeah I trusted you, and we lynched town. But now I know you are scum.
Did I at any point suggest xtoxm be lynched? Never.
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #208) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:52 am

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I'm too mad at BM after xtoxm lynch and his continuing idiocy today.

I will avoid this game for a while so everyone can catch up.

Blake will flip scum and then we are back on track to win.
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Post Post #1854 (isolation #209) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:07 am

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Neighbor is basically vt in this game. Got no powers at night.

Ok I hate to float this idea but what if BM is jigsaw?

Mod said BM killed people N1. He bussed his buddy for infinite towncred and claims BP?

Just a wild theory and ive no interest in voting BM for the next few days just keep that in mind.

Anyways peace out BM needs to be humbled vote Blake kthx
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #210) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:09 am

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In post 1855, Vecna wrote:Also, his whole "hectic was a ruse to see who would hop on, it was my own trap" felt very odd, but it does make sense in a scum that was forced to bus his teammate kind of way.

Ive clearly already started confbiassing
Look at BMs posts yesterday after he mislynched

Look at his posts today

Different day same shit
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Post Post #1858 (isolation #211) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:10 am

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Weak ass players with no mafia IQ.
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Post Post #1860 (isolation #212) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:11 am

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Yeah im sure the mod gave a fakeclaim bad flavor so you can catch me BM.

This is a circus. Why do you think blake is town again? More flavor?

Forget about it im out
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #213) » Sun May 03, 2020 2:47 am

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Yeah it would be really funny except in 150+ games I have never done that in my career, because I am bad at scum. I am ALWAYS the sacrificial lamb, and NEVER expected to go to to the end. Look at any of my scum games. I have NEVER played as if I'm good at scum. Look at my wiki.
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #214) » Sun May 03, 2020 2:48 am

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This is an easy win for us, lynch Blake and I'll tell you who to lynch next, we got this. BM should be ignored like we should have done yesterday, that was my fault for believing him yesterday.
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Post Post #1892 (isolation #215) » Sun May 03, 2020 5:34 am

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BM is blacklisted from all my future games if he's town
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Post Post #1893 (isolation #216) » Sun May 03, 2020 5:59 am

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I think there's bad at mafia and then there's BM, running a
social experiment
3 days in a row to see how many people will follow him from:

1) tunnel vision
2) repetition ad nauseam
3) perceived level of complete certainty
4) long form posts that give an air of him putting effort into scumhunting (but is wrong)

BM, if you join MY game to shit all over it so that you can get some kind of kick from it, you will never be welcome to play with me ever again and I will make sure everyone knows on this site.
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Post Post #1901 (isolation #217) » Sun May 03, 2020 6:19 am

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BM your behavior is absolutely reprehensible.
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Post Post #1905 (isolation #218) » Sun May 03, 2020 6:21 am

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I don't give a fuck about any of your made up cases. I'm done with you or anyone else addicted to losing who might think it's funny to join your social experiment.
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #219) » Sun May 03, 2020 6:24 am

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In post 1904, Morning Tweet wrote:@ABR He has done nothing outside of playing the game and show complete respect for you as a player-- whereas you're attacking him personally. i dont get it
If he's town, he's playing something else that we're not aware of.
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I'm not responding to jack shit and I double dare you to keep your vote on me for the rest of the game. There aren't enough town nincompoops on this entire site to fall for whatever it is you're playing at.
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Post Post #1915 (isolation #221) » Sun May 03, 2020 6:31 am

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In post 1912, Morning Tweet wrote:Do you think being unwilling to respond to anything he says and calling it so stupid it's beneath you is going to ease his concerns?
That's not my problem, we've been warned by SirCakez and I'm moving on.
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Post Post #1921 (isolation #222) » Sun May 03, 2020 6:42 am

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OK some people may wonder why I am upset?

After Xtoxm got lynched I unleashed a torrent of anger on BM in our PT yesterday within the first couple minutes of night, and then ignored him for the rest of N2.

This level of incompetence on his part is mind-boggling, and I fully blame myself for the part I played in this yesterday, which is why I continue to be upset today.
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Post Post #1925 (isolation #223) » Sun May 03, 2020 6:47 am

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In post 1922, Morning Tweet wrote:Townies get it wrong all the time. It's acceptable to mislynch town sometimes. I'm more annoyed that you and pisskop decided to end the day super early with the quickhammer.
I was so annoyed at BM D2 he wouldn't stop death tunneling and I didn't want to spend a week debating him with his outrageous number of posts per day.

I'm fine with dany lynch today BTW.

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Post Post #1927 (isolation #224) » Sun May 03, 2020 6:49 am

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Another thing BM did to piss me off is he claimed bulletproof D2 under no pressure for no reason. Just one stupid decision after another.
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Post Post #1931 (isolation #225) » Sun May 03, 2020 6:51 am

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In post 1929, Battle Mage wrote:This is not true, you were perfectly happy lynching Xtoxm, on the proviso I helped you lynch Blake today. You only got angry with me when you knew I was onto you, and wasn't going to play your games.
This is a lie. I went after you immediately upon Xtoxm flipping before you said anything about me.
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In post 1930, Morning Tweet wrote:I was heavily under the impression yesterday that you both gave the Xtoxm lynch your full support.
No, Xtoxm was not in my POE. I listened to BM and shouldn't have.
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Post Post #1994 (isolation #227) » Sun May 03, 2020 9:40 am

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BM has a messiah complex and thinks he's the only one who can save the poor town because everyone is too dumb to see his brilliance. What a joke he's become.
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #228) » Sun May 03, 2020 9:57 am

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Don't call anyone babe, that's disgusting.

OK PEOPLE

I don't like it anymore than you guys, but we ignore bm and drag him to a win across the finish line despite his 90 posts a day clogging up the thread and him totally not deserving to win, mod grant me the strength to persevere!!!!!!
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #229) » Sun May 03, 2020 9:58 am

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keep in mind 10 years ago we used to policy lynch bm because we thought he was a jester.
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #230) » Sun May 03, 2020 10:23 am

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I don't think it's fair to the town to create dozens of pages that produce nothing of value, to go back and forth about "don't call me babe" "I can call you babe if I want to" and to get sidetracked from scumhunting outside of who you picked to spam the thread with your obnoxious, humorless posting style, and the main counterwagon. I don't think you care if you're right or not, but who am I to know?

You did the same thing day 2 which made me not want to interact with you as you were clogging the thread with every page so I hammered xtoxm to stop it. It was extremely lazy of me. Looking back now, I would have fought you tooth and nail to lynch someone else. It seems to me you've used this strategy day 1, day 2, day 3, and if you're going to threaten to keep hijacking the thread every day in the game, whether it's me you're voting for or anyone else, I don't think it creates an environment where I feel like contributing a whole lot when it's buried underneath you spamming 12 posts in a 25 post page (Exhibit A, this very page, count your posts).

Let's agree to not join the same game ever again. Good luck everyone, and most importantly, have fun!

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Post Post #2009 (isolation #231) » Sun May 03, 2020 10:52 am

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In light of Sircakez actions to keep the peace, I will remain so long as there are no more personal attacks, targeted harassment, or name-calling. I will exercise restraint in my criticism as well to be fair and equal. I'm under the impression that BM doesn't intend to derail the game with verbal abuse either. Let's carry on with renewed positive intents.
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #232) » Sun May 03, 2020 10:57 am

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In post 2010, BBmolla wrote:bm can I lynch Gamma
I received a key that can protect me during nights, just like he said. I didn't know it was from Gamma.
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #233) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:08 pm

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What, I'm the only player with no powers? I'm a simple neighbor, that's the only thing in my role pm.
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #234) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:11 pm

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I think the more we talk about me, the more people get tricked into doubting their read of me. It's a simple mind trick of repeating something long enough.

I am not afraid of being lynched at all. My main concern is stifling real scumhunting by being a distraction.
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #235) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:14 pm

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I don't have any REDACTED parts to my role pm.

Btw why tf would I claim unprompted on N1 to Pine and BM if I were scum? They weren't even in the PT since they got kidnapped, and I didn't know they were gone.

There's so many inconsistencies it's like swiss cheese.
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #236) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:19 pm

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I think people who are doubting my alignment are being tricked by repeitition and falling into confbias, and starting to suffer the same laziness I did yesterday.

At some point it's easier to just go with the majority, and when 1 player makes 13 posts in 1 page it feels like that 1 player IS the majority. Just destroys critical thinking from everyone and creates doubt.

Does anyone think there's an actual strong case on me besides BM?

Cause when BM was all like "xtoxm is jigsaw" and reverse engineered everything that happened to make it fit, I was like "oh strong case".

Turns out it was a weak ass case and BM proceeded to just SHRUG IT OFF LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED.

Which is what I suspect will happen again if I flip.
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #237) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:23 pm

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Meanwhile BM thinks I'm the "strong scum", the "hardest scum to catch", like no dude I'm just town. If you don't overcomplicate things trying to go after the "one scum nobody would suspect", we can be successful at actually lynching scum.
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #238) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:27 pm

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Some people are in confbias mode and desperately looking for certainty and logic, but instead of evaluating each player equally they are spending like 80% of their mental capacity on me, and ignoring everyone else.

Which is the wrong way to play. We tried that yesterday in fact.
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Post Post #2101 (isolation #239) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:28 pm

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In post 2099, Morning Tweet wrote:In reality, i feel theres no stopping BM's wrath at this point and i wanted to see if the key would convince BM to wait 1 extra day. cause i wanna lynch elsewhere
Yes I felt the same yesterday, that no matter what I tried to do to stop xtoxm from being lynched, people just werent going to listen and it would be a waste of time. And I didn't know 100% if he was town, of course. The more bm posted the more I wanted to believe it and confbiased myself lazily.
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Post Post #2103 (isolation #240) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:30 pm

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The fact is theres a lot of players here and majority is town, if you let 1 town player tell you who to lynch based on their biased opinion without thinking for yourself, because your head isn't on the chopping block yet, then it's going to be a tough uphill battle to win for town.
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #241) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:31 pm

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People tend to like easy answers, black and white, BM good ABR bad, consistency and frequency of posts influences our opinion unconsciously especially when we aren't terribly invested in the decision.
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Post Post #2110 (isolation #242) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:33 pm

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Don't make the same mistake we made day 2 on day 3 again guys. This is what got us here, literally.
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #243) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:37 pm

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In post 2104, Battle Mage wrote:Your motivation for claiming was obviously to fish for info from us and to build trust.
I wouldn't throw away scum's most powerful day weapon, the PR claim, on N1 to you and Pine for a shot at knowing your roles. You said you had a useless role. And I would try to manipulate you/pine with momo, instead of bus him wtf?
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Post Post #2117 (isolation #244) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:40 pm

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In post 1305, SirCakez wrote:
Votecount 1.13

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Hectic (8) - momo, Albert B. Rampage, davesaz, Almost50, iDanyboy, Elsa Jay, xtoxm, Blake Belladonna
momo (5) - Hectic, Battle Mage, farside22, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion
Drixx (2) - VaultDweller, Pine
xtoxm (1) - BBmolla
Battle Mage (1) - Vecna
BBmolla (1) - GeorgeBailey
Vecna (1) - Drixx
GuiltyLion (1) - Gamma Emerald
Pine (1) - Pisskop

Not voting (0)

(expired on 2020-05-01 15:10:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

VaultDweller is V/LA through Tuesday, April 28.
Drixx is V/LA through Friday, May 1.

"You'd be surprised what tools can save a life."
Do you really believe that momo and I are the two scum voting Hectic here?

Of course not. It's blake/danny.
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #245) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:42 pm

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In post 2116, Battle Mage wrote:I seriously have no idea why you are so attached to ABR....
She wants the town to win obviously something which you are sabotaging. How do you not feel bad for yesterday?

You were wrong about xtoxm. You act like you were right this whole time after you singlehandedly mislynched xtoxm. Its because he insulted you so you didnt like him, same with me.

BM just trying to confbias anyone who he feels insults him.
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #246) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:45 pm

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And don't let BM hold "secret PT knowledge" over your heads as an excuse to vote me.

I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID THE GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED IN THE GAME NOT THE PT. I only started posting in the PT after momo was lynched and I thought we were all town.
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Post Post #2126 (isolation #247) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:47 pm

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Gamma thats fine youre in my POE too.
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Post Post #2129 (isolation #248) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:48 pm

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BM has rallied gamma and dani to vote for me clap clap great job you can have Blake voting me too.
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Post Post #2130 (isolation #249) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:49 pm

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In post 2127, Battle Mage wrote:At this point, it's beyond obvious that ABR is scum, and you know it, in your head, in your heart.
AtE WIFOM and nobody believes this outside of 4 players
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Post Post #2132 (isolation #250) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:52 pm

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@MT

The only way out of this is for you and I to stop defending.

Stop the discussion now before scum gain momentum.

We should just go on the attack on Danny, and spam the thread 1000x times about Danny being scum and ignore everyone else, and call into question anyone defending Danny, and attack attack attack.

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Post Post #2134 (isolation #251) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:54 pm

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No really, stop it MT. We need to go on the offensive.
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #252) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:57 pm

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Everyone wants to cherry pick things, but who has done a deep dive into danny's iso? Oh, what deep dive you say? HE MADE FIVE POSTS IN THIS ENTIRE GAME?
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #253) » Sun May 03, 2020 12:58 pm

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I have made 200 posts in this game, of course you can pick things apart to say I'm scummy, maybe the ideal strategy for scum on this site is TO MAKE ENOUGH POSTS TO PROD DODGE?

FIVE POSTS ALL GAME? REALLY?
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Post Post #2143 (isolation #254) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:00 pm

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In post 1687, Blake Belladonna wrote:Almost50 is still town.
Battle Mage is still town.
BBMolla is still town.

farside22 I'm going to townbin for right now, because I don't see a reason for her to lie about what the trap consisted of. Based on the , I further assume that it's likely that this trap was set to force town to remove one of two players that scum want removed in order to save the cop. I will revisit this later on when there's more information about what the scumteam are likely trying to do, but I'm not seeing scum being placed into this position currently.
davesaz is likely town.
GuiltyLion is likely town.
Xtoxm is likely town.
Drixx is likely town.
Vecna is likely town.

GeorgeBailey and VaultDweller are slots I remember townreading throughout day one, but at this point I don't remember why anymore. Their relative lack of presence lately do not give me the best impression.
Pisskop is somebody I'm not going to be interested in lynching for right now. He isn't acting like the last time I saw him as scum, but he's also far more easy to sort when he's town later on in the game.

Morning Tweet and Albert B Rampage are both slots that I'm explicitly not townreading. However, I would like to look towards reading these two slots primarily by analyzing Farside22 further, which I will do later. Until then, I'm not interested in sorting these two slots directly.


Of the remaining two, I would prefer a lynch on Gamma Emerald.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
WTF is this???? WHY ISNT BLAKE EVEN MENTIONING DANNY????

Maybe... They are scum together??????? :mad:
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #255) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:01 pm

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In post 2141, Battle Mage wrote:I think the fact you're imploring MT to help you push Dany instead, implies you feel differently.
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Post Post #2145 (isolation #256) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:01 pm

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Like for example how we need to coalesce together as a town against Danny who is the most obvscum in this entire game, or Blake who jumped onto Hectic as momo was starting to gain momentum. Two easy pickings for scum.
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #257) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:03 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 15, iDanyboy wrote:VOTE: Almost50
Bandwagon go.
In post 16, iDanyboy wrote:Hi MT. :)
In post 198, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 184, momo wrote:Has anyone in this game played with Morning Tweet before? I'm not really liking the vibes I'm getting from her, but I don't if that's normal.

Post #165 is a clear attempt at budding someone that appears to be a town leader going into the game, but her posts become most problematic when you get to Post #174.

"But what if it's
, like,
one of those doors"

When speaking out loud, people naturally add in filled words such as "like" or "um" to fill space because they are uncomfortable with silence while they are thinking. Making a post with the word "like" as Morning Tweet did here is not natural, it's a deliberate decision. The only possible motivation I can imagine for that decision is to appear more trustworthy/relateable. There's no reason for town to make that decision and for that reason, I VOTE: Morning Tweet.
I think you're reaching here, I used to type like that aswell and the only reason I stopped is because it doesn't make sense most of the time.
In post 223, iDanyboy wrote:I believe scum's fake claims are linked with there PT, so if it get's to late game and some one claims a flavor and that person should be in your respective hood they are probably scum.
In post 227, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 222, farside wrote: @abr: not sure if you missed what my issue was. If there is no way to know who has access to the neighborhood, how do you know if every player posted is in the pt or not.
My post was a response to this post.
In post 229, iDanyboy wrote:Lets say you are in the PT flavored gorillas, and some one claims orangutan and they haven't posted in your PT, then they are scum. This way scum are punished for not posting in there PT.
In post 484, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 440, GuiltyLion wrote:I guess I can actually see the comment possibly making sense from a town flavored character in a flavored hood. if danyBoy can confirm that that's what he is then I guess that solves like 90% of my issues with his post, maybe? though there is still a questionable assumption there that the scum in PTs have a fakeclaim that is also flavor linked to their PT. What if they had an entirely separate fakeclaim?
I am indeed in a flavoured PT, and if someone claimed a role that didn’t match the PT’s one then they would get lynched straight away. Say you’re in the Cartoon character hoods and someone on it claims to be Walter White they are probably scum.
I will post more later on tonight, I’ve been busy with work the last few days so I could only get a quick read.
Something I did see though is EJ refusing to say if she is in a hood and then in the next post say’s she isn’t in one.
VOTE: EJ
In post 608, iDanyboy wrote:I have switched my read on ElsaJay and think she is town, I'm scum reading BM/Albert then just above null towards scum is Momo,pisskop and farside. I'll VOTE: BattleMage because his got more votes than Albert so far.
In post 611, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 609, farside22 wrote:
In post 608, iDanyboy wrote:I have switched my read on ElsaJay and think she is town, I'm scum reading BM/Albert then just above null towards scum is Momo,pisskop and farside. I'll VOTE: BattleMage because his got more votes than Albert so far.

Why did you switch your reads on Elsa?
I only voted her because I found and strange. Why say you're not going to answer the question then a few posts later she answers the question. The reason I town read her now is because of her Hectic.
In post 732, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 662, farside22 wrote:@Danny: Do you think a response from Elsa about her life and roll is really alignment indicative, if so why? Or tell me exactly why her response came off town.
I do think it leans her to town and someone has posted that she prefers scum so just a small town read.
In post 727, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The longer Pine dodges this game while posting anywhere but here the more sure I am he's scum.
I played a game with him recently where he did just that, he was lynched and turned out to be town.

I think ABR pushing Vecna but never voting him is scummy and would like to know if anyone agrees or disagrees. Its the strongest read I have so would like to get some discussion on it.

This is my first game out of New York and I'm not used to playing with so many people so I'm finding it more difficult to get reads.
In post 734, iDanyboy wrote:
Removed ongoing game reference.
In post 1072, iDanyboy wrote:VOTE: Hectic
Not a bad wagon.
In post 1195, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 1121, GuiltyLion wrote:these were some of the (admittedly few) reads given by iDanyboy prior to his vote on Hectic. At the time of voting Hectic, it was being championed by ABR, who danyBoy previously called his strongest scumread, and momo, who Danyboy called 'just above null towards scum', and davesaz who iDanyboy hasn't commented on at all. Why is this 'not a bad wagon' in that case? What caused him to re-evaluate so massively on ABR, and why was this not indicated to the thread?.
I don't think about who I am voting with unless I have a a strong reason to believe they are guilty, plus with a game of this size I don't have a strong scum read and is hard to keep track of all the players. I found ABR's avoidance of the Vecna post weird but I also found Hectic's posting to be scummy and I wanted to get a wagon going that I agree with, and no one was voting ABR.
In post 1197, iDanyboy wrote:I don't have much of an opinion of him, He only has one post I didn't like but I prefer the Hectic wagon.
In post 1202, iDanyboy wrote:He has ~70 posts and he hasn't pushed anything.
In post 1204, iDanyboy wrote:That's now not when I voted.
In post 1207, iDanyboy wrote:I don't think it's a good push, it makes him a but more scummier as I disagree with most of his points and that fact that he could of made this push before he got a few votes on him is on my mind.
In post 1208, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 1206, Battle Mage wrote:Yes Danyboy, why are you following the guy you CLAIM to suspect most, on his wagon of choice, rather than somebody you love and trust like me?
ABR's been on a bunch of wagons that I haven't liked, I like his push now so I voted with him.
In post 1533, iDanyboy wrote:I don't know what to say now.
In post 1896, iDanyboy wrote:ABR and BM have very similar posting styles so I realy don't get this hate. BM is playing the same as he did in day 1 and he loved him there.

VOTE: ABR


Let's look at all the posts Danny ever made. Wow. This is scummy as hell.

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Post Post #2149 (isolation #258) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:06 pm

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In post 2148, Morning Tweet wrote:You said the same darned thing to Blake yesterday, and see where that got ya!You are so confident in your own reads that the act of me defending ABR implicates that I cannot be town for you, on the basis that ABR is so scummy it's impossible for town to seeTry to see my town perspective here, please. It's going to be impossible to have a meaningful discussion if you think that your case is so solid that town is incapable of doubting it.
Hey. I didn't ask you to be my lawyer. STOP DEFENDING ME.

I am going after Danny.

Gamma got really jumpy along with some others after I said blake and danny and gamme could all be scum together. Enough to vote for me even.

Danny is definitely flipping scum.
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #259) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:08 pm

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If we lynch Danny, we gain a lot of info from everybody who has been distracting us from his slot during the course of day 2 and day 3. Who are the people hiding right now instead of posting content?

Blake is one.

Who are the people sheeping easy votes to try to cast doubt on our efforts to scumhunt?

Gamma is another.

And of course there's a lurkscum in this somewhere.

This is danny.

Lynching danny will be a treasure trove of information, lynching me will end up like lynching xtoxm yesterday.
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #260) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:16 pm

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In post 2153, Morning Tweet wrote:@BM The doll like.. laughed and she looked at it and it exploded. That's all I remember about that. My point is that's not a "Game". You're right that it's a trap though
I think whoever presents the game in the most black and white way possible without any nuance will be the most convincing.

So let's pretend we have 100% info and we KNOW that Danny is scum as much as if we saw his role pm with our own very eyes.

Danny is so scum that when he was born his mom tried to vote for him.
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #261) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:17 pm

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Hey BM, why are you trying to protect Danny scum? Are you playing into the hands of the scum or are you scum trying to stop town from lynching danny>blake because it leads back to you?
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Post Post #2163 (isolation #262) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:19 pm

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In post 2161, Morning Tweet wrote:I'd love to hear why you think me defending ABR is a move for towncred rather than just town that thinks you're likely to be wrong. pretty nice amount of towncred its gotten me so far hasnt it?
I think defending players is white knighting = scum. Don't defend, ever. Always go on attack.
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Post Post #2165 (isolation #263) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:20 pm

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Hey MT did you think Danny was scum from Day 1 or more in day 2 and day 3? What convinced you it was the best lynch for today?
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #264) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:21 pm

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Hey MT should we lynch the hard-to-lynch BM because everyone townreads him, or should we lynch an easy obvscum who hasn't even been trying because he isn't invested in games where he gets a red role pm?

What strategy do you think we should use? And what do you think danny will claim?
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Post Post #2169 (isolation #265) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:23 pm

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Hey MT if BM is getting tired, do you think its because danny lynch is gaining momentum since we are making more posts than him and BM is starting to give up?
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Post Post #2170 (isolation #266) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:24 pm

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Hey Vecna, do you think if we repeat that danny is scum 15 times on every page from page 87 until the end of day 3, that BM is going to be forced to vote his 2nd top scumread danny?
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Post Post #2171 (isolation #267) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:26 pm

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@Pisskop I think this posting style is more your speed since you are easily convinced by confirmation bias, appeals to majority, and a host of other cognitive biases? Right? So if I put Danny's name in every post I make, maybe we can start talking about how Danny is scum and we know that because it was written by SirCakez and it's our constitutional duty to lynch Danny.
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Post Post #2174 (isolation #268) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:27 pm

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In post 2164, Battle Mage wrote:And Danny is my 2nd top independent scumread, so definitely not defending him. But I don't like to settle for 2nd best.
It's so weird that BM doesn't want to lay a vote on his 2nd top "independent" scumread. Anyone else find that weird?
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Post Post #2175 (isolation #269) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:28 pm

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In post 2173, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2165, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Hey MT did you think Danny was scum from Day 1 or more in day 2 and day 3? What convinced you it was the best lynch for today?
Beginning of day two, very bad feelings about iDany this time around. I've read his town games before, he tends to be much more involved in them.

iDanys contribution to the Hectic wagon is terrible. When asked for reasoning, he gives a dated reason. He then doesnt unvote because "reasons".

iDany ghosted day one after the momentum shifted from Hectic over to momo. He also hasnt really said anything day two, possibly because he was a prime target.

iDany was our lynch d2, but it got pivoted extremely easily to Xtoxm. Not incrimitating by itself, but another piece

He has followed a trend of jumping on any wagon that seems like its gaining traction, but he seems to struggle to give his own reasoning for being on them. See: naked votes everywhere

What does he do to start off today? Vote ABR right after BM makes a big case, with reasoning of his own that is hardly reasoning and more just an observation.
This makes sense. I'll have to check with BM to see if it lines up with his read on Danny. BM what do you think?
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Post Post #2179 (isolation #270) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:30 pm

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In a BM-scum world, I think he's afraid of a trail of danny, and blake flips so he's pre-emptively trying to lynch the strongest town players (me and MT). I can definitely see a case for that but might be WIFOM as well idk.

The only thing that matters is getting page top, and making 15 posts in 1 page, and repeating danny is scum and convincing the whole world that danny is scum so that he can get the rope that he needs so town can win.
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Post Post #2180 (isolation #271) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:31 pm

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Confirm vote: iDanny
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Post Post #2182 (isolation #272) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:32 pm

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I think BM cannot keep up because we found out his scumbuddy who he "claims is his 2nd top scumread" but he refuses to vote, possible distancing here.

With BM running away with his tail between his legs, I think the Danny bandwagon has found new legs!
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Post Post #2184 (isolation #273) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:33 pm

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In post 2181, Morning Tweet wrote:BM im still confident you're town and slightly less confident ABR is town.

ABR is (I hope) joking about spamming idany is scum. Making one post about why i think iDany is scum is fine.

im so tired :c
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Post Post #2187 (isolation #274) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:38 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 1632, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1626, farside22 wrote:
In post 1624, Battle Mage wrote:separately I do agree about Pisskop, but we can come to that another day.

Can you talk to me about your A50 town read. I looked at his post and I saw a lot of tunnelling on EJ and I don't see him really scum hunting.
Not for today!

We should focus on lynching Xtoxm as quickly as possible before his buddies come and save his ass.

Vote: Xtoxm
for emphasis.
In post 1633, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1631, pisskop wrote:Id be down for some xtox pressure
I always knew you were a smart guy
In post 1638, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1637, farside22 wrote:
VOTE: xtoxm
If you're town, I have no doubt we will win this game. :D
In post 1656, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1649, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1610, Morning Tweet wrote:Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though
It first says he can talk to his scum partners in a PT [1st REDACTED]. The 2nd is apparently the choices for the traps? The 3rd is the FBI PT. 5th is his fake claim. Now, what exactly is the 4th REDACTED?? The one that says "You have many allies."?
It's the list of his scumbuddies obviously! :facepalm:
In post 1662, Battle Mage wrote:I do think Danyboy is the tippy top contender for lynching tomorrow.
In post 1665, Battle Mage wrote:anyone not voting Xtoxm right now needs to take a long hard look at themselves....
In post 1672, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1667, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1656, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1649, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1610, Morning Tweet wrote:Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though
It first says he can talk to his scum partners in a PT [1st REDACTED]. The 2nd is apparently the choices for the traps? The 3rd is the FBI PT. 5th is his fake claim. Now, what exactly is the 4th REDACTED?? The one that says "You have many allies."?
It's the list of his scumbuddies obviously! :facepalm:
Why not mention them when he mentioned the scum PT? The way it usually goes is "You are scum with X, Y & Z and you can talk to them here.."

But anyway, you want Xtoxm?

VOTE: Xtoxm

L-1
by my count.

I thought his D1 ending was indeed scummy, but I have a personal bias against lynching him for "reasons" that do not relate to this game. If I choose to set said reasons aside, I could see him flipping red.
Don't know, but that's just how it reads to me!

And yeah nice work. I make it L-2, so just enough time left for Vecna to get in and share anything he wants.

No need to wait for a claim from Xtoxm, we already have it.
In post 1675, Battle Mage wrote:ABR - just for fun, shall we claim on behalf of Xtoxm? :lol:
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In post 1676, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1665, Battle Mage wrote:anyone not voting Xtoxm right now needs to take a long hard look at themselves....
Are you telling people to go "have intercourse with themselves"? :eek: Otherwise, why would they have a hard on themselves?? :P
symptoms of lynching xtoxm may include excitement and even arousal :lol:
In post 1693, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1682, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1616, Battle Mage wrote:
Vote: Xtoxm
In post 1617, Battle Mage wrote:Based on what happened last night, and everything we've seen so far today, Xtoxm is a great bet for scum and Jigsaw himself.

Trust BM - I have never steered you wrong before. :wink:
I’ve got mixed feelings on this, I think the idea of Jigsaw running the traps/games makes sense, but unlike Danny I don’t have something that I personally find scummy from this person

Can someone run me through an actual case for Xtoxm?
I can help you a little bit...

Last night Xtoxm shared his fakeclaim (postman) with ABR to try and protect himself, whilst simultaneously trying to kill me. Sent him a love-letter, basically telling ABR how big and strong he is, and promised to sheep him forever (admittedly, this is how ABR described it :lol: ). Firstly, there's no way in hell anyone town is doing that. Secondly, the likelihood of scum not putting a trap on ABR last night is reasonably slim given his profile (and I believe he's close-to-confirmed town), so deduce that the reason they didn't is because Xtoxm was going to target him (because if ABR was trapped he couldn't have received the letter). Thirdly, Xtoxm randomly asked on Day 1 to be investigated by different types of cop, and I assume only Jigsaw would be cop-proof, and would have a big incentive for an early clear investigation. Plus Jigsaw is probably not in a PT, so that gives a 1/6 chance anyway, and Xtoxm is clearly the scummiest player of the 6 on his own merit. Others have already made the case on his Day 1 voting pattern being dreadful, but also keeping himself quiet enough to avoid much interest. His only post today is a memorial for Elsa who was subjected to 2 traps last night.

Hence we should
Vote: Xtoxm
In post 1694, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1690, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: Blake

Come on guys. MT's PT has no scum? Give me a break. Easy scum lynch right here + jumped on Hectic at a crucial juncture when momo was getting pressure.

For me it's a no-brainer.
We're not lynching Blake today, we're lynching Xtoxm.

However, I do have to give it to you - that was a tremendously weak open by Blake - my TR has been shattered. :eek:
In post 1696, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1691, Blake Belladonna wrote:How convenient.
In post 1692, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1691, Blake Belladonna wrote:How convenient.
I told BM I was voting you before you posted Day 2. Try again.
this is dull, get it together you guys.
In post 1701, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1687, Blake Belladonna wrote:Almost50 is still town.
Battle Mage is still town.
BBMolla is still town.

farside22 I'm going to townbin for right now, because I don't see a reason for her to lie about what the trap consisted of. Based on the , I further assume that it's likely that this trap was set to force town to remove one of two players that scum want removed in order to save the cop. I will revisit this later on when there's more information about what the scumteam are likely trying to do, but I'm not seeing scum being placed into this position currently.
davesaz is likely town.
GuiltyLion is likely town.
Xtoxm is likely town.
Drixx is likely town.
Vecna is likely town.

GeorgeBailey and VaultDweller are slots I remember townreading throughout day one, but at this point I don't remember why anymore. Their relative lack of presence lately do not give me the best impression.
Pisskop is somebody I'm not going to be interested in lynching for right now. He isn't acting like the last time I saw him as scum, but he's also far more easy to sort when he's town later on in the game.

Morning Tweet and Albert B Rampage are both slots that I'm explicitly not townreading. However, I would like to look towards reading these two slots primarily by analyzing Farside22 further, which I will do later. Until then, I'm not interested in sorting these two slots directly.

Of the remaining two, I would prefer a lynch on Gamma Emerald.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I'm not sure what to make of this reads list. I mean, ABR is in a hood with me (and formerly Momo-scum), I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner. Is it conceivably possible ABR is scum? Yes. Is it remotely likely? No. Should we be discussing it today? Obviously not.

You don't mention Dany
at all
, despite the fact that he has been a big focal point today. Instead, I assume he is your unnamed 2nd favourite lynch for today?

You seem to have glossed over everything happening in respect of Xtoxm and bafflingly have him as likely town.

I won't go on, this is not a good showing. :igmeou:
In post 1703, Battle Mage wrote:Seeing Blake come out in support of Xtoxm is reassuring - I'd expect Jigsaw to get some people fighting his corner!

Definitely Blake tomorrow if Xtoxm flips as expected.
In post 1706, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1704, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 1701, Battle Mage wrote:I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner.
I want to judge this myself.
I can see this for what it is. You're trying to throw yourself under to save Xtoxm.

Not today kiddo.
In post 1707, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1705, pisskop wrote:VOTE: bella
Damnit pisskop, don't undermine me! :lol:
In post 1709, Battle Mage wrote:can we seriously end the foolishness and focus on lynching Xtoxm-scum.

I don't want to lose another 3 PRs tonight.
In post 1711, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1708, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yeah Blake, what do you think about dany?
She's just protecting Xtoxm dude, it's distraction tactics.
In post 1714, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1710, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 1706, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1704, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 1701, Battle Mage wrote:I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner.
I want to judge this myself.
I can see this for what it is. You're trying to throw yourself under to save Xtoxm.

Not today kiddo.
Battle Mage.

Answer the question.
There's no question here. Let me ask you something instead - how do you think I could have confidence in anything you say when you don't read my posts properly and with due respect? when you have not engaged with the trends and key issues in the game? and when you are trying to waste time and obfuscate affairs by throwing shade at people who we are clearly not lynching today?

This conversation is a waste of time. I know you are smarter than this, and so I have to believe there's a chance you are scum protecting Xtoxm, but I'll lynch him first to find out.
In post 1717, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1712, pisskop wrote:
In post 1707, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1705, pisskop wrote:VOTE: bella
Damnit pisskop, don't undermine me! :lol:
Competing wagons are good
true, but do you agree with me that bella is just protecting her boss xtoxm?
In post 1721, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1718, GuiltyLion wrote:I also think now that I'm considering it - Xtoxm lurky/disengaged D1 play may have been an intentional strategy to bait a cop check and get inno'd, giving him towncred/authority to lead later in the game - maybe assuming a lot of how scum!Xtoxm would play tho

at the very least knowing that you can't be investigated would give you less of a reason to try on D1
that's a good point Guilty Lion. Once again, you are a smart dude.
In post 1744, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1742, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1741, Blake Belladonna wrote:Nothing he has done outside of the neighborhood is town
that's quite a claim
The reality is, she has nothing of consequence to share here, based on her own read of ABR which was pretty ambivalent (certainly not one of her top scumpicks today). This is nothing more than a smokescreen to save Xtoxm, I'm convinced of it.
In post 1746, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1725, SirCakez wrote:
Votecount 2.2

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xtoxm (7) - Battle Mage, farside22, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, BBmolla, Almost50, Gamma Emerald
iDanyboy (2) - GeorgeBailey, VaultDweller
Gamma Emerald (2) - Vecna, Blake Belladonna
Blake Belladonna (2) - Albert B. Rampage, pisskop

Not voting (4) - davesaz, xtoxm, iDanyboy, Drixx

(expired on 2020-05-13 19:53:00) remain until day end

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a majority.

Drixx is V/LA through Friday, May 1.
VaultDweller is V/LA through Monday, May 4.

"I am going to give you a hint as to where I've hidden the key. So listen carefully, the hint is this: it's right before your eyes."
Even the Mod is begging us to lynch xtoxm.

"right before your eyes" - well that's xtoxm nearly getting lynched.
or maybe "right before your i's" - who is before Idany? - xtoxm.

This could not be simpler.
In post 1747, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1745, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1744, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1742, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1741, Blake Belladonna wrote:Nothing he has done outside of the neighborhood is town
that's quite a claim
The reality is, she has nothing of consequence to share here, based on her own read of ABR which was pretty ambivalent (certainly not one of her top scumpicks today). This is nothing more than a smokescreen to save Xtoxm, I'm convinced of it.
Yeah and what happens if we both die tonight? I want to leave a legacy.
I ain't gonna die tonight, I'm bulletproof. and we are leaving a legacy, lynching scum. that's the name of the game!


oh wow, that's a lot of energy spent on lynching Xtown-town for such a short Day 2!

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Post Post #2195 (isolation #275) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:46 pm

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BM has made approximately 160 posts about me since the day opened today ! Wow !!!!!!! He must want to lynch me more than xtoxm, what do you think??
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Post Post #2196 (isolation #276) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:46 pm

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In post 2192, GuiltyLion wrote:I really don't like iDanyboy or Gamma at all. I plan to case/push that but if my strong TRs (Vecna/MT/George) are all on board I really think we should just champion a Dany lynch today. I view that slot as the best odds of scum from almost every angle I can think of.
Yep, another one for the danny winwagon. There's no stopping us now :D
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Post Post #2200 (isolation #277) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:47 pm

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GAMMA / DANNY - one of them will be lynched today. The question is which one?
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Post Post #2201 (isolation #278) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:48 pm

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As long as I'm getting pagetops and posting more than anyone else I feel I am right, and my confbias is getting stronger! Everyone should sheep me because I say so! The case is written by MT, and I have quoted it for truth! No one can stop this train.
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Post Post #2203 (isolation #279) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:50 pm

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wow BM !!!! You have made 160+ posts about me in 12 hours!!!!

The sun's getting real low big guy!

How can you go to sleep knowing that danny scum is still around?
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Post Post #2206 (isolation #280) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:51 pm

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Aren't you in UK time? Must be real late !!!! Maybe you should quit your job so we can lynch your 2nd top scumread danny together.
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #281) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:52 pm

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In post 2205, Morning Tweet wrote:Guilty!!! contains my recount of last night's nights events.

God the BM/ABR dynamic is somewhat of a nightmare
You made it 100% worse and this game has become a shitshow, BM made 160+ posts in the last 12 hours basically repeating the same thing over and over in different ways, enabled by you who kept questioning him and asking from different angles.
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Post Post #2212 (isolation #282) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:55 pm

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I think it is you who is trying to save danny while distancing at the same time! We all know who you really want to lynch :lol:
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #283) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:57 pm

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Everyone should iso BM from the start of day 2 until the end.

And from the start of day 3 until the end.

This will show you someone who is either confbiased, OR who is scum and wants to save their scumbuddies from attracting unwanted attention.

Imagine if you were scum and all your buddies were lurking or posting once every 48h? I think BM feels he has to carry the scumteam by making up for them in terms of activity and use town to mislynch each other.
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Post Post #2215 (isolation #284) » Sun May 03, 2020 1:59 pm

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In post 2214, Drixx wrote:Can we lynch Battle Mage? I'm getting super duper scum vibes there.
Yes we can.

VOTE: Battle Mage
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Post Post #2221 (isolation #285) » Sun May 03, 2020 2:23 pm

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My theory is that BM is scum with a bunch of lurkers.

He decided to bus one for towncred and ride it out.

I got in the way of that when I wanted to lynch his scumbuddies one by one.

So he orchestrates a day 3 mislynch of yours truly.
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Post Post #2256 (isolation #286) » Sun May 03, 2020 4:16 pm

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In post 2245, Drixx wrote:I'm really getting serious scum vibes out of BM, specifically today.
Yup. Me too.
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Post Post #2257 (isolation #287) » Sun May 03, 2020 4:17 pm

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Flavor is entirely NAI so is setup spec.
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Post Post #2266 (isolation #288) » Sun May 03, 2020 4:30 pm

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VOTE: Danny

Drixx we can attack BM tomorrow. Let's try to get an easy scum today. Once MT and other people who believe BM is town come to their senses we'll be ready to flush him and his scumbuddies out.
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Post Post #2268 (isolation #289) » Sun May 03, 2020 4:34 pm

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Gamma did BM ask you to take over the night shift in your scum daychat? You spend an awful lot of time trying to strategically maneuver the game state for a mislynch today.
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Post Post #2271 (isolation #290) » Sun May 03, 2020 4:37 pm

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In post 2264, Gamma Emerald wrote:This gives me the vibe that ABR is worried about the associations coming from what MT is doing
This was such a giant stretch I thought you might hurt yourself there Gamma.
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Post Post #2296 (isolation #291) » Mon May 04, 2020 1:54 am

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In post 2295, VaultDweller wrote:Hopefully the number of traps is proportional to the number of living scum.
Pretty much the scum are trying to mislynch today for flavor reasons and have confbiased some confused townies.

I am obviously town and lynchiny danny scum.
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Post Post #2297 (isolation #292) » Mon May 04, 2020 1:55 am

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In post 2293, Vecna wrote:BM is making a reasonably ok case for ABR scum.
Explain why you think I'm scum in your own words please.
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Post Post #2298 (isolation #293) » Mon May 04, 2020 1:58 am

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In post 2292, VaultDweller wrote:
In post 2284, Battle Mage wrote: Vecna is your son,
:eek: He's not mine.
In post 2284, Battle Mage wrote: and has confirmed you town.
Feels good!
In post 2284, Battle Mage wrote: We're hopefully lynching ABR today.
VOTE: ABR

Until I get a grip on the game
Are you sure you want to vote with the scum so easily?

You should listen to reasonable players like MT, Drixx, GuiltyLion, and me.

Scum most likely is in BM/danny/gamma/blake.
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Post Post #2301 (isolation #294) » Mon May 04, 2020 2:07 am

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Danny isn't going to lynch himself, guys, we need votes.

I'm also down to vote BM or Gamma.
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Post Post #2303 (isolation #295) » Mon May 04, 2020 2:12 am

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In post 2300, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2290, Vecna wrote:
In post 2247, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 2046, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also the key giving can be roleblocked so I don’t think we can try to conf anything off the key so never mind the idea of sparing ABR for the key
eh actually alright this is fair and I missed this when skimming earlier
What if the key is just a scum tool?

So they can put themselves into traps, have it announced but walk out while fooling everyone that theyre part of it.

It makes very little sense for his actual victims to have keys to the traps.

What if Gamma actually scumclaimed with his key shit?

No idea why he'd give it to ABR though, unless he's bussing here.

The way GE is approaching this feels like he's actively bussing, or trying to fire up a TvT

Not sure which it is exactly
Well I did notice the key was an outlier after seeing a few people claim limited immunity. But like I made a point to make sure I handed the key off and everyone was aware of it.

Also you’re kinda headpantsing here
Why do you think danny is town, gamma?
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Post Post #2305 (isolation #296) » Mon May 04, 2020 2:37 am

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In post 2304, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t, but he’s not a full scumread either currently, he’s towards the middle of the pack. Blake however I’m treating as town.
Why are you certain theres 2 scum in 4 person hood and 0 scum in 3 person hood?
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Post Post #2311 (isolation #297) » Mon May 04, 2020 3:11 am

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In post 2309, Blake Belladonna wrote:I'm very curious why Albert B. Rampage has suddenly stopped tunneling me. I'd also like to know why Gamma Emerald is townbinning me.

Nothing I've done today necessitates or should change reads on me.
Well I think your play is scummy but I've been under attack from gamma, bm, and danny.
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Post Post #2313 (isolation #298) » Mon May 04, 2020 3:24 am

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In post 1505, Albert B. Rampage wrote:FOUR OF THE REMAINING SCUM HIDE AMONG THESE SEVEN...

Gamma Emerald
VaultDweller
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Let's look at my reads start of day 2. The only change has been adding BM to the scum bucket due to his irrational attacks against me, and even then it's a slight scum read, he could be town with no idea what they are doing.

Vault and Vecna, nobody has really questioned them but one said he confirms the other as an IC.

George and Drixx have been MIA so I'm not sure.

So as you can see, Gamma/Blake/Danny have always been my scumreads.
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Post Post #2315 (isolation #299) » Mon May 04, 2020 3:28 am

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BTW I never get angry as scum, so it's ridiculous to me to take a 13 year meta, of me never losing my cool when I'm scum, and with that proven track record, people still think I can be scum here because "maybe on his 200th game he will do something different". It's clownish.

Gamma and Dany are lurkscum all the way to day 3 where they are more active to try to mislynch, they have done nothing town for the entire game.
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Post Post #2316 (isolation #300) » Mon May 04, 2020 3:35 am

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I don't have any "ego" as scum, I know I am bad at it and I'm just putting up a front. So I never become upset. As town I am angry when people act irrational. Thats why I'm easily caught as scum. I'm not a good liar.

I don't see protown motivation in BM to say he is BP or in mislynching xtoxm or me. Or most of the crap he's done which is why I am angry with him.
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Post Post #2318 (isolation #301) » Mon May 04, 2020 3:44 am

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In post 2317, Blake Belladonna wrote:I don't entirely trust that meta read because it's entirely possible for somebody to improve at playing scum out of nowhere.

But in the interest in not restarting my tunnel, I will think upon it.
After 13 years, no, you don't suddenly improve at it.
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Post Post #2319 (isolation #302) » Mon May 04, 2020 3:45 am

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and you don't get frustrated like this either.
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Post Post #2321 (isolation #303) » Mon May 04, 2020 4:07 am

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In post 2320, Blake Belladonna wrote:My scumgame was terrible for 13 years.
It's still terrible.
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Post Post #2328 (isolation #304) » Mon May 04, 2020 6:10 am

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In post 2327, Vecna wrote:and much more inclined to lynch whoever complies with this request
wot
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Post Post #2335 (isolation #305) » Mon May 04, 2020 7:34 am

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In post 2332, iDanyboy wrote:I can see that the day has resolved around me bring the priority lynch after ABR and then Gamma after me so I feel like it's a good time to claim. My name is Detective Matt Gibson and I work for internal affairs. I have the same abilities as Hectic so I can find out if some one is one of Jigsaws acolytes but I can only investigate those who are within my hood. On night 1 I investigated farside and night 2 I investigated Gamma Emerald, both of them turned up as (Jigsaws Chosen or Jigsaw).
Why would you investigate farside?
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Post Post #2336 (isolation #306) » Mon May 04, 2020 7:34 am

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She was early on momo and a top nightkill option for scum.
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Post Post #2338 (isolation #307) » Mon May 04, 2020 7:38 am

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I don't believe the claim at all. I think we hit scum here. If Danny really was a cop he would be far more interested in the game than he's been, he strikes me as a player who enjoys PRs and his activity here, lack of substantiating evidence, or town motivation, puts me at easy with his lynch today.

I will not give Danny my key tonight if he's spared the rope, you can forget about even asking.
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Post Post #2339 (isolation #308) » Mon May 04, 2020 7:39 am

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In post 2337, iDanyboy wrote:Because I didn’t have any read on him and didn’t think he would be night killed same for Gamma.
Why didn't you have any reaction to Hectic's claim?
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Post Post #2340 (isolation #309) » Mon May 04, 2020 7:40 am

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cop + cop + IC + IC = is too town-sided and can easily resolve itself for town after a couple days through dumb luck.

Someone is lying about their "innocents".
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Post Post #2344 (isolation #310) » Mon May 04, 2020 7:44 am

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At the end of your other game, as scum, you said:
iDanyboy wrote:Gj Guys, I found it very difficult to play scum, I just sheeped all game. Messed up day 1 and luckily survived then got baited by Vedith. Sorry Alchemist.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 7#p9383947

It looks to me like you found it very difficult to play scum here too and sheeped all game, messed up and survived so far.

This line tells me everything I need to know about your meta.
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Post Post #2347 (isolation #311) » Mon May 04, 2020 7:49 am

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In post 2345, iDanyboy wrote:I don’t think I would make a fake cop play as scum.
But you fakeclaimed Innocent Child in Breaking Bad mafia.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p9467784
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Post Post #2365 (isolation #312) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:09 am

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OK Gamma is town.
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Post Post #2368 (isolation #313) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:15 am

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In post 1705, pisskop wrote:VOTE: bella
In post 1712, pisskop wrote:
In post 1707, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1705, pisskop wrote:VOTE: bella
Damnit pisskop, don't undermine me! :lol:
Competing wagons are good
I think for sure one of pisskop/blake has to be scum now.
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Post Post #2370 (isolation #314) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:15 am

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But pisskop can't be scum with Blake. It's one or the other I'm just not sure which one.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #315) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:21 am

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BM struck lightning D1 and we lynched momo, maybe he can do it a second time? BM who do you think we should lynch?
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Post Post #2382 (isolation #316) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:13 pm

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VOTE: Vecna

I think this is the right vote.
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Post Post #2384 (isolation #317) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:16 pm

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Something is just not adding up.

Hectic flips cop
EJ flips innocent child
Vecna confirms vault as innocent
Danny claims cop
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Post Post #2385 (isolation #318) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:17 pm

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And I have the worst role in the game it seems.
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Post Post #2386 (isolation #319) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:19 pm

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1 scum in:
danny/vecna

1 scum in:
blake/pisskop

Town: Gamma, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, Vault (unless vecna flips scum)
That leaves: BM, pisskop, drixx, dave, BBmolla
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Post Post #2387 (isolation #320) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:20 pm

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EBWOP

1 scum in:
danny/vecna

1 scum in:
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Town: Gamma, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, Vault (unless vecna flips scum)
That leaves: BM, George, drixx, dave, BBmolla
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Post Post #2388 (isolation #321) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:24 pm

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In post 2374, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1264, davesaz wrote: I like the case on momo, but also place a high value on the power of competing wagons. Seeing Hectic struggle to find the case, which was very plainly stated by GL and by at least one person voting him, is entertaining at a minimum. It illustrates that he isn't truly reading and/or doesn't want to acknowledge it, and I think town would want to do both along with explicitly refuting it. I'll stay here but for the purposes of gauging wagon viability consider me willing to switch when needed.
re-examining Dave with fresh eyes in light of potentially town!Dany and town!Gamma, this feels a scummy excuse to stay on the Hectic wagon
Yeah, I agree.

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Post Post #2389 (isolation #322) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:25 pm

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BBmolla post quickly, I don't know if you're scum or not
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Post Post #2390 (isolation #323) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:27 pm

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blake/dave/danny/bbmolla are the last scum? Can you imagine?
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Post Post #2391 (isolation #324) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:29 pm

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In post 2325, SirCakez wrote:
Votecount 3.1

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Albert B. Rampage (6) - Battle Mage, Vecna, iDanyboy, pisskop, Gamma Emerald, VaultDweller
iDanyboy (4) - Morning Tweet, GeorgeBailey, GuiltyLion, Albert B. Rampage

Not voting (4) - davesaz, Blake Belladonna, BBmolla, Drixx

(expired on 2020-05-16 19:49:00) remain until day end

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a majority.

"Up until now, you have spent your life among the dead, piecing together their final moments. You're good at this because you, like them, are also dead. Dead... on the inside."
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But then this VC doesn't make any sense.
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Post Post #2392 (isolation #325) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:33 pm

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VOTE: iDanyboy

Nah I feel stupid if Danny is scum and we don't lynch him.

The simplest explanation is Danny is scum. I'm just too uncertain about anything else.
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Post Post #2393 (isolation #326) » Mon May 04, 2020 12:37 pm

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In post 860, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 856, farside22 wrote:
In post 799, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 568, davesaz wrote:I think 567 wins over 564, no question.
Davesaz is also scum. 567 is not a good case.
In post 854, Blake Belladonna wrote:Be careful when going this route. I've seen davesaz react very poorly to pressure like this as both alignments.
Not sure why you are saying such if you find him scummy. :shifty:
You misunderstand.

I'm looking to prevent a toxic gamestate, which is a very realistic possibility in this scenario. My read has no relevance to this.
In post 861, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Is he or is he not one of your top scumreads?
In post 863, Blake Belladonna wrote:I can already tell you won't listen to my warning.

Very well, I will watch from afar.
In post 867, Blake Belladonna wrote:Sigh.

I'm not saying don't wagon him. I'm saying to be careful about it. He has a history of reacting very poorly to pressure like this and I expect it to escalate with somebody like Albert B. Rampage at the helm.

I've fallen into that same trap multiple times in the past and it has yet to go in a positive direction for town.
This was really weird on Day 1.

VOTE: Blake

Blake defending dave and suspecting him at the same time. Wouldn't be surprised if they are both scum together.
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Post Post #2394 (isolation #327) » Mon May 04, 2020 1:28 pm

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This game is crazy hard I need to think more on it.

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Post Post #2397 (isolation #328) » Mon May 04, 2020 3:14 pm

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I'm struggling to find the 4 scum is why. I'm not sure of any reads right now.
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Post Post #2413 (isolation #329) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:00 am

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In post 2407, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2389, Albert B. Rampage wrote:BBmolla post quickly, I don't know if you're scum or not
If I was scum I'd be posting
WIFOM. Post.
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Post Post #2423 (isolation #330) » Tue May 05, 2020 9:12 am

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VOTE: Blake
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Post Post #2429 (isolation #331) » Tue May 05, 2020 10:00 am

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In post 2425, Battle Mage wrote:
Unvote, Vote: BBMolla


I'll lead the charge again then...

ABR tomorrow please, for the love of God...
Total capitulation. Pathetic.
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Post Post #2432 (isolation #332) » Tue May 05, 2020 10:05 am

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In post 2430, Vecna wrote:
In post 2429, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2425, Battle Mage wrote:
Unvote, Vote: BBMolla


I'll lead the charge again then...

ABR tomorrow please, for the love of God...
Total capitulation. Pathetic.
bro....
What? I thought he meant it when he said I was scum and wasn't changing his vote forever. I didn't know forever just meant 48h.
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Post Post #2435 (isolation #333) » Tue May 05, 2020 10:12 am

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Bring it.
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Post Post #2437 (isolation #334) » Tue May 05, 2020 10:19 am

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You failed to persuade town players because you lack...conviction.
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Post Post #2444 (isolation #335) » Tue May 05, 2020 12:56 pm

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MT is awesome.
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Post Post #2498 (isolation #336) » Thu May 07, 2020 7:17 am

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In post 2497, Eddie Cane wrote:I'm surprised people aren't talking about the one actually scummy thing I've seen from ABR.
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Post Post #2510 (isolation #337) » Thu May 07, 2020 10:40 am

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In post 2508, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2499, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 2498, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2497, Eddie Cane wrote:I'm surprised people aren't talking about the one actually scummy thing I've seen from ABR.
?
I'll get there when I'm not mobile posting later.

@BM, Drixx, MT, Molla

I would like a full reads list please. Explanations are a plus but at least town to scum.
I've like, already done one. Several times. Have I not been clear about who I want to lynch today?
It's been sort of buried and I can't remember without going digging. Who do you want to lynch most today already?
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Post Post #2512 (isolation #338) » Thu May 07, 2020 10:41 am

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In post 2509, Battle Mage wrote:MorningTweet has U-turned on her neighbour Blake Belladonna, who she earlier thought was probably town or something?
MT said from the start she didn't know how to read Blake. Never said Blake was town.
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Post Post #2519 (isolation #339) » Thu May 07, 2020 10:49 am

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MT I can't remember who BM scumreads anymore.

Something about... eternal vote or something.

Can you help jog my memory?
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Post Post #2525 (isolation #340) » Thu May 07, 2020 10:50 am

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In post 2516, BBmolla wrote:Can someone catch me up on why I’m looking foolish instead of me continuing to do so
I dunno dude. We could lynch pisskop if you want, he would be a marginally harder lynch. Or Firebringer.
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Post Post #2530 (isolation #341) » Thu May 07, 2020 10:52 am

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BM is a notoriously wishy washy player, votes you one second unvotes you the other and at the end of a week you can't even remember who he scumreads anymore.

You're better off voting for FB with me.
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Post Post #2534 (isolation #342) » Thu May 07, 2020 10:54 am

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In post 2531, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2065, SirCakez wrote:
This game is confirmed Role Madness, there are no Vanilla Townies or Mafia Goons.
Just a reminder that this is the mods definition so a neighbor is perfectly acceptable

ABR might be scum regardless of that but a case built on that is foolish

FOOOOLIOIISSHH
Nobody would build a case around such a flimsy reason.
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Post Post #2536 (isolation #343) » Thu May 07, 2020 10:55 am

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In post 2533, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2531, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2065, SirCakez wrote:
This game is confirmed Role Madness, there are no Vanilla Townies or Mafia Goons.
Just a reminder that this is the mods definition so a neighbor is perfectly acceptable

ABR might be scum regardless of that but a case built on that is foolish

FOOOOLIOIISSHH
I think BM is the one using that as evidence against ABR
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Post Post #2548 (isolation #344) » Thu May 07, 2020 11:05 am

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In post 2546, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2533, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2531, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2065, SirCakez wrote:
This game is confirmed Role Madness, there are no Vanilla Townies or Mafia Goons.
Just a reminder that this is the mods definition so a neighbor is perfectly acceptable

ABR might be scum regardless of that but a case built on that is foolish

FOOOOLIOIISSHH
I think BM is the one using that as evidence against ABR
This is a misrepresentation, I've been clear on my view that I don't believe there are plain old town neighbours in the game. Conceptually there could be. But I don't think there is. So ABR would then be lying, duh. :facepalm:
Revolutionary.

I think BM just cracked this game wide open guys.
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Post Post #2552 (isolation #345) » Thu May 07, 2020 11:09 am

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That's it guys, if BM doesn't have you convinced with his superb scumhunting, I don't know what will. Only reason I'm not helping him vote the scum with a town neighbor role is because I have one too.
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Post Post #2555 (isolation #346) » Thu May 07, 2020 11:14 am

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Never give BM a break.
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Post Post #2560 (isolation #347) » Thu May 07, 2020 11:16 am

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Never since the We Shall Fight Them on the Beaches speech Churchill gave to the House of the Lords have we seen such oratory skills until BM came along with his speech on the scum neighbor who openly claimed to his hoodmates he thought were clear after they lynched scum in that hood day 1.
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Post Post #2564 (isolation #348) » Thu May 07, 2020 11:18 am

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i make my own fun idk about u guys
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Post Post #2569 (isolation #349) » Thu May 07, 2020 11:22 am

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In post 2567, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 2562, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2558, Eddie Cane wrote:I don't want to vote you, I think you're town.
vote BBmolla
I think Dany is more likely to be scum, Molla is not a town read but Dany is actively scummy.
In post 2568, BBmolla wrote:Yes MT but only if phone emojis were added
Fuck it lets lynch dany then i dont give a fuck

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Post Post #2572 (isolation #350) » Thu May 07, 2020 11:25 am

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In post 2553, Battle Mage wrote:scum is ABR, 2 of (BBMolla, GuiltyLion, Pisskop), and 1 from your hood (probably Danyboy)
Lets just lynch Danny I think we all agree he's scum and were just too scared of his big claim.
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Post Post #2576 (isolation #351) » Thu May 07, 2020 11:27 am

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Ok bois

We lynching danny or what
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Post Post #2583 (isolation #352) » Thu May 07, 2020 5:21 pm

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His case against me was so well thought out, I simply had no defense to mount.

Either that or I wouldn't entertain setup spec and flavor on day 3. Unless you think I should respond to anything in particular?
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Post Post #2644 (isolation #353) » Fri May 08, 2020 12:11 pm

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BM is in survivors.
Pine is in both survivors and police.
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Post Post #2646 (isolation #354) » Fri May 08, 2020 12:17 pm

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Pine died before he saw my claim and BM thought it was scummy I claimed VT to him and Pine on n1.
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Post Post #2663 (isolation #355) » Fri May 08, 2020 1:10 pm

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In post 2658, davesaz wrote:I see I took too long to write that and PK's hoodlessness came out about 4 different ways. :lol:
What is a reporter?
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Post Post #2666 (isolation #356) » Fri May 08, 2020 1:27 pm

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We've no idea.
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Post Post #2708 (isolation #357) » Sat May 09, 2020 7:14 am

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What's the VC?
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Post Post #2718 (isolation #358) » Sat May 09, 2020 9:13 am

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Bingle vs. Drixx come on people let's vote.
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Post Post #2736 (isolation #359) » Sat May 09, 2020 10:08 am

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In post 2735, Eddie Cane wrote:@ABR are you going to reply to my post?
Quote it.
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Post Post #2748 (isolation #360) » Sat May 09, 2020 12:21 pm

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In post 2744, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 2736, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2735, Eddie Cane wrote:@ABR are you going to reply to my post?
Quote it.
I do not have computer access right now so quoting is a pain. I replied to you asking what I thought you should respond to and a bunch of other stuff about you and it went unacknowledged. I would rather a response of some kind, such as telling me why I'm wrong or admitting I'm right. But specifically, one thing I asked was why you professed certainty about Blake being scum early in the day, and its transitioned to other pushes now? Particularly because I disagreed with the Blake read.
Imagine you're me and how relieved you are that you're basically in a masonry now with momo dead. I trusted BM and Pine 100% on N1. BM goes and makes up a bullshit theory on d2 which makes him scum or unforgivably wrong in a way that violates my trust beyond the game in his instincts and skillset.


About Blake, his vote on Hectic when momo was gaining momentum was scummy. His lurking was scummy. His entrance day 2 was scummy. I still suspect Blake slot. I can vote there or danny slot.
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Post Post #2750 (isolation #361) » Sat May 09, 2020 12:42 pm

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In post 2727, Firebringer wrote:what if we tried role play instead?
Just read MorningTweets and Eddies catchups they are good.
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Post Post #2775 (isolation #362) » Sun May 10, 2020 2:11 am

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In post 2774, Vecna wrote:To expand on that:

Town firebringer likes to bring subtle trolling and joy that helps town to solve the gamestate and garner good discussion. Its always in there from my experience.

What he's doing here is just a too scummy to be scum gambit, and he's sabotaging our efforts, hoping we'll think "thats just firebringer".
Agreed. We should lynch firebringer.

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Post Post #2785 (isolation #363) » Sun May 10, 2020 8:20 am

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I can switch to idanny.
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Post Post #2786 (isolation #364) » Sun May 10, 2020 8:20 am

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Who is now bingle.
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Post Post #2791 (isolation #365) » Sun May 10, 2020 10:47 am

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In post 2789, Battle Mage wrote:I should add that, despite the fact I apparently have no credibility and am just getting buried by everyone... 112 pages into the game, I'm the only individual who has actually successfully identified and lynched scum (based on the most rudimentary scumhunting). So if my cases have been "wildly speculative", I can't imagine what folk like Drixx and MorningTweet have been smoking. :lol:

But please, continue to ridicule me, and pat yourselves on the back for your excellent results so far...
You're also the only person that lead an unquestioned mislynch on xtoxm day 2. You lost all of your credibility.
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Post Post #2794 (isolation #366) » Sun May 10, 2020 12:54 pm

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In post 2793, Eddie Cane wrote:It is so frustrating to have no player willing to engage live, cant call people scummy dodging it if everyone does....
What's up? What do you want to talk about?
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Post Post #2798 (isolation #367) » Sun May 10, 2020 1:23 pm

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While I don't know if Drixx is town or not, I don't know if that would be the wisest push at the moment.
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Post Post #2818 (isolation #368) » Mon May 11, 2020 1:09 am

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Stop voting Dave. Bingle or Firebringer are far better lynches.
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Post Post #2820 (isolation #369) » Mon May 11, 2020 2:34 am

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In post 2819, VaultDweller wrote:What's the vote count like? Who are my options?
bingle (idanny)/FB (blake)/dave
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Post Post #2821 (isolation #370) » Mon May 11, 2020 2:35 am

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and some people are voting drixx I guess
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Post Post #2863 (isolation #371) » Mon May 11, 2020 12:56 pm

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Ok guys I'm tired of this game stalling.

Let's end today.

VOTE: Firebringer
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Post Post #2873 (isolation #372) » Mon May 11, 2020 2:13 pm

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In post 2872, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 2863, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ok guys I'm tired of this game stalling.

Let's end today.

VOTE: Firebringer
no thoughts on EC's reasons for townreading that slot?
I'm so apathetic about this game. What did he say?
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Post Post #2900 (isolation #373) » Tue May 12, 2020 4:17 am

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In post 2885, GuiltyLion wrote:
@ABR

In post 2765, Eddie Cane wrote:As I said, I just played TM with Ank and we had a discord server with thousands of messages. I understand how she plays quite well I think now, and already read her fairly well. During the Large Theme she was town, town was in a similarly bad situation (I think actually on d3 too), and she was very apathetic and low content and wanted to replace. Tom and I had to talk her into staying. This game mirrors her apathy of that one fairly well imo - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=150&t=81773 the content level is higher, but most of it is directly prompted by myself, as well as a bit of Tom and Dann. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200 is the only scum game from Alyssa I'm familiar with firsthand, but her play there feels very different from here, with it being much more fluid and, well, good. This game is
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different from her when I've normally seen her as town, but it fits with my image of how her brain scans games, and the apathetic replace out even from a null pov is more likely to come from town when town is losing. I've looked over her iso a few times, and there were a few specific posts that somewhat pinged town. One interesting thing I would note, is that as far as I can tell she lists momo as town in her big reads list (#512) (at a time momo was pretty widely town read I think, which in itself is fine), and did not really acknowledge his existence outside of responding to quotes from other people until she voted him in #1398. According to vcs this is around or slightly after when wagons swinged to momo, but I don't know gamestate at the time so maybe thats wrong. Ank seems like the kind of player to overly theater rather than not acknowledge partners, but I wish I could have questioned her on what changed (again - unless gamestate stuff I'm missing), or if the vc is deceptive and scum!ank just wanted to get in on the wagon before it inevitably went through.

As an aside,
In post 1701, Battle Mage wrote:I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner.
what...
In post 2771, Eddie Cane wrote:I do not have her as my top tier of town, and would not object to her lynch like I would, say, Morning Tweet. On my first read after subbing in I thought she was pretty likely town, faded a bit as I got a lot of town reads, and tbh developed a stronger read on her while writing that post. But yea, I think being on a team with someone is even better than hydraing with them, because you actually get to see how they solve a game "on their own" rather than "with" you. After TM18 I didn't get Giga/Katy, JJ, nor Transcend (rip) wrong again
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as far as I remember. So to use less words (I get rambly at 5 AM after drinking lightly) I think Ank is town. She is not super town, but she is more likely town.
bah.

I have no confidence in a dave lynch.

Are you asking me to vote dave?
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Post Post #2902 (isolation #374) » Tue May 12, 2020 7:16 am

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In post 2901, Morning Tweet wrote:@ABR Do you have reasoning for voting firebringer other than 'he's acting to scummy to be scum', which Vecna brought up? earlier?
I still think the jump on hectic was scummy from day 1. idanny's claim is also unbelievable so bingle is my no. 2.
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Post Post #2904 (isolation #375) » Tue May 12, 2020 7:27 am

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VOTE: Dave

I'll hold my nose and vote dave to get this over with.
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Post Post #2908 (isolation #376) » Tue May 12, 2020 8:24 am

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I really can't vote dave in good conscious. I won't vote dave today.

VOTE: Bingle
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Post Post #2909 (isolation #377) » Tue May 12, 2020 8:25 am

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I'll vote BBmolla, FB, Drixx, or Bingle. Figure it out, you have 4 days.
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Post Post #2916 (isolation #378) » Tue May 12, 2020 9:25 am

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In post 2912, Ircher wrote:ABR, davesaz, Battle Mage, and GuiltyLion perhaps is the scum team.
So Pine was essentially in the scum pt with momo BM and me? :lol:
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Post Post #2921 (isolation #379) » Tue May 12, 2020 11:03 am

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I think idanny was scum so he may have just claimed an innocent on his buddy gamma lol. I'm down to vote Ircher out.
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Post Post #2951 (isolation #380) » Wed May 13, 2020 5:36 am

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In post 2950, Ircher wrote:Pagetop
VOTE: Battle Mage
Dude...no...I don't see what advantage BM has of turning on me day 3 when I 100% townread him.
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Post Post #2964 (isolation #381) » Wed May 13, 2020 8:51 am

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VOTE: Drixx
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Post Post #2981 (isolation #382) » Wed May 13, 2020 12:41 pm

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In post 2972, Drixx wrote:
In post 2964, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: Drixx
And just like that, I move to the BM theory of ABR is scum. Defends and plays nice with me all game. Then naked votes me. Hrm.
You've done fuck all all game.
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Post Post #3027 (isolation #383) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:19 am

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In post 3025, Eddie Cane wrote:I have a pretty strong preference for Bingle over Drixx.
In post 3026, Morning Tweet wrote:i share this preference
I see no evidence.
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Post Post #3030 (isolation #384) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:22 am

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In post 3028, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: Bingle

I'll be around to do more in a little bit. I think this is the best lynch given the preferences of MT/EC as my strongest town reads, and iDanyboy's ISO being so bad. Bingle has tried his best to town up the slot but his play is mostly focused on mechanics and not especially hard for scum to fake
Wait a minute. Based on what evidence?
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Post Post #3037 (isolation #385) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:50 am

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no new evidence has been introduced since idanny claimed and got replaced.

Why js Dirxx town? He's done jack all game long.
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Post Post #3106 (isolation #386) » Fri May 15, 2020 5:14 am

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In post 3099, Ircher wrote:Vote Drixx. We can chase the big fish later like Eddie Cane.

I'm good with this.
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Post Post #3117 (isolation #387) » Fri May 15, 2020 8:51 am

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In post 3115, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3106, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3099, Ircher wrote:Vote Drixx. We can chase the big fish later like Eddie Cane.

I'm good with this.
Seriously?
Not the Eddie part just the Drixx part.
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Post Post #3118 (isolation #388) » Fri May 15, 2020 8:52 am

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In post 3107, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:What’s the case on Drixx?
What has he done all game?
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Post Post #3120 (isolation #389) » Fri May 15, 2020 9:03 am

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VOTE: pisskop
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Post Post #3136 (isolation #390) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:33 am

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In post 3135, GuiltyLion wrote:it's kinda wild watching this thread try to lynch Anyone But Bingle

the dude is a claimed cop, either scum are saving him to mislynch him later because they're not even scared of him getting a guilty, or he's scum. I don't really understand why we're angleshooting into a last minute wagon elsewhere
So he claims cop when he's in a bandwagon of equal proportion to mine, and replaces out?

If he was scum why claim cop? Can't his buddies sheep BM to mislynch me?

Why does he claim the exact same thing as Hectic? Why fakeclaim something that already flipped?

What if he's telling the truth?

MT I thought you were against lynching idanny but now you want to lynch Bingle?
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Post Post #3138 (isolation #391) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:35 am

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Maybe he gets NK'd tonight. There's a lot of scum left guys.

We can lynch other players before deadline.
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Post Post #3139 (isolation #392) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:40 am

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In post 3137, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1485, SirCakez wrote:momo (11) -
Hectic, farside22
, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, Albert B. Rampage,
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, BBmolla
I probably should have spent more time on this but IMO this makes it very likely there's scum in {Fire, BM, Molla} and those are the lynches I'll compromise on if not Bingle
I've been saying lynch fire since fire was blake and everyone said it was Ank's town meta or whatever.

BBmolla???? Like the whole momo wagon is town and his scumbuddy just comes in to hammer? IDK...
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Post Post #3140 (isolation #393) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:42 am

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VOTE: bbmolla

Fine I don't care if we lynch bbmolla at this point.

Lets go people activate yourselves.
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Post Post #3142 (isolation #394) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:45 am

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In post 3124, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3117, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3115, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3106, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3099, Ircher wrote:Vote Drixx. We can chase the big fish later like Eddie Cane.

I'm good with this.
Seriously?
Not the Eddie part just the Drixx part.
Was gonna say..

I'll be around to change votes if needed to not no lynch. Bingle > Drixx = Molla > Piss = Dave.
Bingle aint happening pick drixx or bbmolla
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Post Post #3143 (isolation #395) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:46 am

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or pisskop
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Post Post #3147 (isolation #396) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:48 am

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In post 3144, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: bbmolla

bbmolla is town i think
Theres too many low content players flying under the radar, we have completely given up all our advantages.
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Post Post #3150 (isolation #397) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:50 am

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In post 3148, Firebringer wrote:who u think holds the most content filled flip then?
I have no idea.
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Post Post #3152 (isolation #398) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:53 am

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With 4 scum left and so many low content posters like bbmolla pisskop firebringer we are not in a position to win.
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Post Post #3153 (isolation #399) » Fri May 15, 2020 10:53 am

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not to mention Drixx
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