Mini Theme 2145: The Weakest Link Game over

[Dunnstral]

I don't think pink ball and spring are both scum, no, and I don't think they're faking a neighborhood

I have a suspicion that the real neighborhood between two people may not be both town - but it's not a HUGE suspicion, and it came about some time on day 2. I'm mostly suspecting pink ball here

P-edit: But you guys know each other's alignments? Even without a PT to talk

Yes.

[Dunnstral]

sabotage cop makes more than 1-shot scum quiz tampering balanced.

Alternate take on Raya's role:

She checks a player to see if they voted pass or fail, and she used her ability on farside night 1, seeing that she passed the quiz

[Dunnstral]

I've sat and read your post about three times and I'm still confused about it, so I'm going to stop trying and see what others say.

I'm not sure what is confusing...

[Dunnstral]

IDK why you are appealing to me, I can't do anything here

[Dunnstral]

^ What

[Dunnstral]

Why did you decline the quiz?

Because I think your scum and would rather see you lynched.

I thought you believed scum had something to mess with the quiz?

What Spring, Raya and I were going over towards the start of the day was scum had a 1-shot Tamper in order to prevent town from chain getting successful groups. By having more then 1 tamper it becomes stacked against town since 2 guaranteed failures combined with the low odds of getting an all town group makes the mechanic too scum sided.


By running it back if it fails we know the group has scum because they shouldn't have 2 tampers.
Or the group succeeds, we gain the power role + random conf town (the one who gains the PR).

Or scum was in the 1st group. Which is why i think spring is scum still.

I honestly don't think so because they would have known who was getting the chain and the no kill suggests they targeted the BP. Just a theory though I guess

Scum either shot unwnd (would clear scum in theory but the failed attempt still lingers), there is a role that protected someone, or scum didn't shot.
I'm leaning on the second option.

This is your soft yes

[Dunnstral]

Doesn't it benefit scum to be in evens?

Town has to lynch every day due to mechanics, we can't nl and go back to odd numbers

[Dunnstral]

why does town have so many PRs now...

1-Shot Wiretapper
2-Shot Sabotoge Checker
2-Shot Doctor
Mason with no pt
Mason with no pt

[Dunnstral]

why does town have so many PRs now...

1-Shot Wiretapper
2-Shot Sabotoge Checker
2-Shot Doctor
Mason with no pt
Mason with no pt

Don't forget the neighbor claim by PB and Spring.
SB said in the quiz night 1 she is a VT.
BB claimed he was NU (hurts a quiz by failing it)
Only mid and TSE have not claimed anything thus far.

Yes but neighbors aren't that strong on their own + if there is scum in the neighborhood it is negative for town, and beeboy's role is negative too

So I don't think they fit into a "too much power roles" argument

I think what is claimed so far is reasonable considering the chain mechanic, and considering the quiz mechanic

Quiz mechanic = town sided, chain mechanic = scumsided

As for how scumsided the chain is.... if we mislynch today, tomorrow is lylo and we have to put all 3 scum in the bottom 3 or we lose, so we basically have to know the full team. Unless there's something in the quiz tonight.

Because if farside saved unwnd, it confirms him as town.

unwnd was bulletproof night 1 - you were there

[Dunnstral]

So yes, I believe I protected the player that was to be shot that night.
I'd rather not say who.

And this town is letting that slip by.

Wtf. There is no reason for a real doctor to not out target.

True the mafia should know so I don't see why it remains a secret?

[Dunnstral]

I can see midway/TSE/Pink Ball.

Mason claim is unlikely to be scum.

> Midwaybear and TSE need to die. Pink Ball is probably the last scum.

Nah, farside + unwnd is totally a scum couple and unwnd is scum.

If any of them aren't scum then NDmath+Dunn+Starbuck?

You just finger pointed at everyone except for yourself and Beeboy

[Dunnstral]

How can the scum team be midway/TSE/Pink Ball if the quiz failed day 1 and none of them were on it

[Dunnstral]

Is there a single person who thinks spring might be town in this game other than me?

[Dunnstral]

If farside was town, the obvious team would be farside+NDmath+Dunnstral

If she is town, she know that if it fails, the two other are scum.
If she is town, she know that if it doesn't fail, the two other are town.

What is this supposed to say?

[Dunnstral]

Oh, you are talking quiz teams. The claim came after the first proposal

[Dunnstral]

if we mislynch today, tomorrow is lylo

scumslip
we are at 7:3 right now, so mislynch means we move on to 5:3. Dunnstral must know that scum have a vig ability in the JOAT for us to enter LYLO.
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5:3 is lylo in this setup. Town have to lynch every day.

[Dunnstral]

Since this has been asked let me make it known: There have been precautions taken to someone holding the chain until deadline and or stalling.

[Dunnstral]

Who did Farside protect night 1?

You

[Dunnstral]

If Dunnstral/NDMath agree I'll do it.

Otherwise I still think Midway should die, since I think that flips scum the most often?

You should decline the current quiz to speed things up if you haven't already

@Math What do you think about Tse? Bottom 3 or do we sub somebody else in there?

[Dunnstral]

Well I think I mentioned this but personal preference I like to figure out the quiz before the chain. Are we fine with Farside + me and NDmath?

@farside I think you were asking if I'd pass to spring earlier, I'll pass to NDMath if I get it first and let him decide, I'm not going to strongarm save spring when nobody else thinks she can be town... that's totally something I'd do but I shouldn't

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: NDMath

Approve Quiz Team

So what is the hurt list? It's between tse, starbuck, spring, midway? I guess leaving out pink ball makes sense since he'd die if spring is mafia, and spring and midway at the bottom.

That's my thoughts, so the chain should go to Pink Ball, unwnd, tse, order doesn't matter, last person picks who dies

Does that sound correct?

[Dunnstral]

Alright well let's sort out the quiz and the strongman stuff before we get into lynching territory

The quiz needs 2 more votes to approve it, assuming NDMath approves it when he's passing the chain (which he should)

Strongman has one group clearly in the lead with 3 people voting for it, is anybody against the group of starbuck, TSE, midwaybear which is in the lead?

[Dunnstral]

^What

[Dunnstral]

HURT: Starbuck, TSE, midwaybear

Midway, if you're going rogue, tell us before you lock it in and we'll switch the hurt vote so it doesn't random somebody

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

For those confused why the game ended there (nothing was explained):

-Midway was dying
-I was the next chain leader and would have passed to Ndmath then Unwnd
-The quiz was failing, and the power was a 1-shot vig for mafia

Resulting in an unwinnable situation for town, even if they had tried to hold onto the chain.

[Dunnstral]

Unwnd= Spy
Dunnstral= Goon
NDmath=Quiz swapper

Unwnd had a 1-shot ability to spy into a quiz we weren't a part of (never used this)
I started as a goon but became the mafia joat (rolecop, rolestop, fruit vendor) - Questionably I used the rolecop on TSE
Ndmath had the 2-shot ability to swap himself and one other person onto or out of the quiz. It would have been strong if he was getting lynched if our claim fell apart, he could cause the quiz to fail by putting himself onto it. He could even do it twice if I got lynched before him. (never used this either)

[Dunnstral]

Of course the 1 afk guy is the chainleader

Isn't that always how it goes?

Starbuck and Dunn are never wolf with Unwnd.

[Dunnstral]

We did not originally intend to claim best friends

I passed to ndmath day 1 because I felt I had to or one of him/unwnd would be lynched

[Dunnstral]

The mafia pt is short (relatively) but interesting