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Post Post #1273 (isolation #200) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:24 am

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In part because what I think I said was accurate, but also because I struggle to see town!penguin choosing to just go “NOPE, big fuck mena, he’s scum and I’m not dealing with him”

Whereas I totally think that’s something scum penguin would do to avoid having to engage further
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #201) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:28 am

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In post 1272, Datisi wrote::thonk:
can you elaborate on this a lil bit

also was there a point in being very secretive about reads before your Readslist
there probably was but i haven't had my coffee yet so
Err it just feels like town you the last couple of times we’ve fought in games? And like idk if there’s that much more to it than that? I feel like your emotional responses are basically honest. Maybe I’m just a sucker if you are scum but rn I don’t see the reason to doubt whether you’re manipulating me like that because there are much better candidates for scum so I’m just not going to interrogate whether you’d intentionally make me feel bad to win as scum and I don’t really wanna go there so

Yes — I didn’t want scum to be able to play around me before they knew what I thought because I wanted them as natural/relaxed as possible
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #202) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:29 am

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Also — yes, we should still lynch gobbles, but you should change your vote temporarily to where you think groupscum is to make it easier to track where people thought scum was on D1 in retrospect when people look back at ofhrz’s ISO and the VCs
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #203) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:30 am

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In post 1250, Blake Belladonna wrote:Page top.
Could you ctrl+f your name in my ISO because I think there were at least 2 questions for you?
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #204) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:41 am

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I’m trying? It’s why I’ve taken a punt on backing my townread if you and actually saying “yes, datisi is in my top townreads” instead of equivocating over it a million times

What did you think of my readslist more generally? I wanna know what you thought about PP’s reaction after people answer you on why they thought it was town indicative
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #205) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:43 am

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@dats regarding 1278, do you think it’s implausible that the entire scumteam could be in (PP, Lilith, chem, skitt)?
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #206) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:51 am

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You think it could be (Lilith, PP, chem)?
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #207) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:04 am

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So, assuming that gobbles is telling the truth and isn’t gsmbiting as scum to try and buy extra time by promising to be a pro-town SK:

The following setups are the SK ones:
TTTTTTT
TTTTT
TTT
T

I think it’s reasonable to dismiss the top outcome and the bottom as highly unlikely for now (can be reconsidered in the case of a large number of PR/VT flips later on) which gives us 2 setups, one with a two man scumteam, one with a threeman.

If it is one of those scum have either a 1s bus drive, or they have a JOAT(rb, ninja, strongman)
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Post Post #1287 (isolation #208) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:06 am

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Looking at the setup, it does seem a little unfair to scum that they get the same power whether it’s 5 or 7 PRs in town
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #209) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:07 am

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In post 1285, skitter30 wrote:I misread implausible as plausible, sorry
I think it's unlikely the entire team is in that group.
If its a 2man scumteam maaaaaaaybe but if its a 3man i would be quite shocked
Okay, then where am I going wrong?

What if I expand that to include S_S?

The whole scumteam in (PP, Lilith, chem, skitt, S_S)?
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #210) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:11 am

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In post 1283, Datisi wrote:
In post 1279, Menalque wrote:What did you think of my readslist more generally?
i actually agree with a lot of it?

which kinda makes me think back to when scum!you said something like "Datisi's and my reads are matching and that could be me getting pocketed" or some bullshit

what's your thought on our reads Mostly Matching here
In post 1281, Menalque wrote:@dats regarding 1278, do you think it’s implausible that the entire scumteam could be in (PP, Lilith, chem, skitt)?
i don't necessarily see anything that's strongly poitning to "not partners"
but also nothing that's pointing to "partners"
so uhh
no?
I’d kinda like you to help explain to me your reads on everyone so I can check my thought process against yours, but like that seems positive to me? Yeah there’s a little bit of fear, same as I have with Maria saying her list is basically mine (ooi, who’s the one person you’d swap, @maria?) especially because I put my list out first which makes is easier for people to just say “yeah I agree”, but fundamentally I’m treating my townreads seeing the game similarly as a good thing

I’d quite like bingle to talk about his firebringer read, actually, as that seems like a bit of a point of disagreement with the general consensus

I didn’t necessarily mean partner/non-partner tells, but like does the gamestate make sense to you if the scumteam is contained in those names/does each scumread make sense on an individual level?
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #211) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:12 am

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In post 1280, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1271, Menalque wrote:Okay why, because pure boi and Maria said the same thing but I thought it was a really +scum reaction to have
I dont think he reacts to scumreads opinionatedly and aggressively like this
Based on past experience or just how he is generally?
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #212) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:30 am

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@lilith when you’re next here who do you feel is strongly town?
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #213) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:46 am

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I think you’ve actually not explained that many

Like: pb/Lilith/Blake/bingle and even there I don’t think you’ve explained that much, plus not having much on S_S/chem/fb

But there’s still like skitt/PP/maria who I don’t think you’ve given a read on. Could you do me a readslist for ease of reference?

I think gamestate refers to what you feel is happening in the game, yeah. So like, a gamestate feels resisty so scum are either defending their partner or they’re trying to be in the right side of a townflip for example
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #214) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:47 am

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In post 1293, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1286, Menalque wrote:I think it’s reasonable to dismiss the top outcome and the bottom as highly unlikely for now (can be reconsidered in the case of a large number of PR/VT flips later on) which gives us 2 setups, one with a two man scumteam, one with a threeman.
i'm not super comfortable removing those setups until/unless we have further information that shows why this would be highly unlikely
(and you saying this reminds me of nom's c++) ...
This is... quite literally the opposite of c9++ where I argued that we were in a 0T setup to fit the fakeclaim I was going with, in the face of math that someone(ddl?) had done that quite clearly showed that was the least possible outcome of all of them
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #215) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:03 am

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In post 1298, skitter30 wrote:i'm saying that i'm wary listening to you handwaving away two of the setups out of consideration just yet
Okay, this is fair
In post 1299, Pink Ball wrote:@mena about the setup, we first flip gobble, then we discuss it. Scum has more info about the setup so they could know that SK is a safe claim. I mean no one's going to counter, but they could be caught in the future if the allegedly real SK flips
But, they couldn’t though? Look at the setups, each sk setup has an equivalent non-SK setup so they’d have no way of knowing yet (without flips) which one they’re in. I remember the struggle of trying to guess if we had an SK or not in c9++
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #216) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:08 am

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In post 1314, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1266, Menalque wrote:+1, we still lynch gobbles today

I respect him trying to make a deal, but fundamentally he doesn’t have a town wincon and right now he’s in the weakest negotiating position.
He's in the weakest negotiating position... which means he's not a threat, right?

Since we can unilaterally make him lose, he has to do what we say; even though he says he won't be leashed, if a majority agrees to leash him, he'll have to follow or be lynched. That said, straight-up leashing is a bad idea because bus driver, but it seems perfectly fine to tell him to kill someone scummy and if he doesn't (or if you want to be harsh, if he doesn't hit scum) then we lynch him.
No, then we’re weaker because we’re getting further away from outnumbering the scum and he gets to coast another day because people want to try and flip their scumreads. The safest long term play is to get rid of him today, especially considering that a bus driver may be out there.

“Weakest” was the wrong phrase. “Weak” should be right. He’d be “weakest” if we had 2 scum flips and no townies had died due to docs or jks, but that’s unlikely to happen.
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #217) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:08 am

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UNVOTE:

Also I think I may have been totally wrong on PP
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #218) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:11 am

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In post 1320, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1275, Menalque wrote:Also — yes, we should still lynch gobbles, but you should change your vote temporarily to where you think groupscum is to make it easier to track where people thought scum was on D1 in retrospect when people look back at ofhrz’s ISO and the VCs
Or people could just read the game instead of using VC's as a crutch?
I mean what people do is different to what people should do and I see no problem making it easier to see who people were ostensibly scumreading?
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #219) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:11 am

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VOTE: turkey
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #220) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:42 am

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In post 1335, gobbledygook wrote:I townside whenever I am not scum but not town, for the record. I have two games to prove that.
But you’re... the SK? You literally have the wincon of killing every single town player in the game and given that you’re outed helping scum is not the way to do that because it just means we get to killing you faster

Like let’s say we lynch scum today, vig one tonight and you kill the other one

What do you think happens tomorrow?
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #221) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:43 am

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VOTE: lilith
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #222) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:44 am

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In post 1333, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1322, Menalque wrote:No, then we’re weaker because we’re getting further away from outnumbering the scum and he gets to coast another day because people want to try and flip their scumreads.
This sounds like empty rhetoric to me.

You're talking about him surviving another day as if it's automatically a bad thing. Is it? If we compare lynching him tomorrow to lynching him today, the only difference is that an extra player dies overnight. If that player is > rand scum, then it's good; otherwise, it's bad.

Then, if he killed scum, we can leave him alive one more day to put us back on odds without worrying about losing majority. If he killed town, we might have to lynch him-- and this gives him a powerful incentive to play along and try to hit his strongest scumread.

If you assume that his reads are better than random, there is at the very least a reasonable argument for leaving him alive.
There is NO INCENTIVE for the turkey to kill scum because that LITERALLY is playing against his wincon

Like in the world where we mislynch every day and the turkey saves us by shooting 3 scum in a row — what does he think happens, we go “yeah, thanks turkey, we just won’t lynch you so that you can win bc you were so helpful to town” lmao
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Post Post #1355 (isolation #223) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:45 am

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In post 1353, Pink Ball wrote:That's a good vote actually
You should add yours!
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #224) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:48 am

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Right, but my point is that you claiming SK can be within wincon, but actually hard townsiding CANNOT be. That very, very literally conflicts with your wincon or “be the last bird standing”. So I have no reason to trust that you’re actually going to townside because all that would do is hasten your demise. I think you would shoot a slot you believe to be town but you think you could justify as having been within the PoE of slots it’s useful to eliminate, and that you would then try to barter having made a “pro town kill” into another night of life, by which point if we do mislynch twice we’d be getting close to lylo and you’d be able to start sounding quite convincing when you say the scum are the real threat and we need your help
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Post Post #1411 (isolation #225) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:44 am

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In post 1410, skitter30 wrote:i think lilith being prickly about her activity is town indicative
mena when do we get to push chemist for not doing anything
If he dodges again then I’ll stop defending him

Honestly, if he hasn’t done anything by end of day I wouldn’t be opposed to lynching him if it weren’t for the fact that there is open scum in the game
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #226) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:45 am

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I kind of don’t want to lynch gobbles now I know that he’s SK because that puzzle piece is solved but I’m pretty much set on that being correct play
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #227) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:46 am

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I actually really disliked smart’s efforts to preserve gobble because I think that gobble is very much not going to play pro-town however much he says he will, because I respect gobble too much to thing he would disregard his wincon just because
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Post Post #1414 (isolation #228) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:47 am

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In post 1409, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1381, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1336, skitter30 wrote:man i really think ss is scum here
because of the mechanics talk or for some other reason?
he feels like how he interacted in city + i don't like his mechanics talk
I think I still *want* to lynch Lilith the most because if I’m wrong there I think I have an idea of where I should be looking but ehhhh
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Post Post #1433 (isolation #229) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:43 am

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In post 1431, Pink Ball wrote:Omg I actually think that trying to leash gobble is scummy because of the possible existence of a bus driver. If scum knows gobble's pool, they can decide if they target him or not!! :O surprised emoji indeed
Err, I’m not sure you fully understand how the bus driver mechanic works pure boi
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #230) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:44 am

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I just want to lynch gobbles tbh and not have the headache
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Post Post #1435 (isolation #231) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:45 am

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In post 1420, lilith2013 wrote:mena, i didn’t actually think you were ignoring me before but now it seems like you are in fact blatantly ignoring me
Sort of, but I’ll get to it once I’m at a computer

You post a lot of stuff
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #232) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:09 am

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In post 1437, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1325, Menalque wrote:UNVOTE:

Also I think I may have been totally wrong on PP
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I went through a bunch of your games looking for situations where you’d been pushed as town and agree that you flipping out on me is more likely to come from town you. Specifically the games were (I think) black and white and another one shortly before that chronologically in your “topics” list from your profile
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #233) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:15 am

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Subject: Mini Normal 2085: Colors (Game Over)
PenguinPower wrote:flipping vt you fucking derp town.

I don't see how anyone can believe FL's drivel.
No wait it wasn’t black n white it was this plus another game where he tells someone to fuck off as soon as they say they’re scumreading him
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #235) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:16 am

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Let’s stop talking like we might not lynch the actual confirmed anti-town role because that’s a terrible idea!
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #236) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:20 am

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In post 1454, PenguinPower wrote:I mean - you can. I won't participate.
Acceptable compromise

Who do you think is scum, pingüino?
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #237) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:20 am

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In the case that the answer is still me, also give other names pls
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #238) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:28 am

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In post 1458, PenguinPower wrote:Dunno. I have people I would lynch though - you, Lilith, S_S, Chemist
You realise that this is basically my lynch list (minus myself) right? Why would you lynch me?

And why would you lynch those people?
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #239) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:30 am

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In post 1461, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1459, Menalque wrote:You realise that this is basically my lynch list (minus myself) right?
Why does that matter?
It is odd that he would lynch me when all the other people I want to lynch are the same people he wants to lynch
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #240) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:43 am

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In post 1463, PenguinPower wrote:You act like I believe that you would actually lynch them...
I mean I would if we weren’t lynching the SK today
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Post Post #1484 (isolation #241) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:44 am

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In post 1482, Bingle wrote:Does anyone know if PB would be likely to fake a townslip as scum?

I think the answer is no, but I've spent the last like 4 games we play together mislynching him so I don't really trust myself on that judgment call.
I kinda think he would I just don’t know if he has. He’s done it twice which has given me some doubts
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #242) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:02 pm

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He also misunderstood the bus driver mechanics which obviously townslips that there’s not a bus driver and by extension that Pb is more likely to be town for not having checked the scum role PMs for sure
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #243) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:03 pm

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In post 1481, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1479, Datisi wrote:i just don't wanna die lmao
Don’t be scum next time
If this isn’t just riffing why do you think dats is scum anyway?
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #244) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:10 pm

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It’s cute that you still think I could be scum bingleoo
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Post Post #1495 (isolation #245) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:12 pm

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If I’d rolled scum in my first game back I wouldn’t be trying this hard
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Post Post #1504 (isolation #246) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:46 pm

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In post 1502, skitter30 wrote:actually i retract my maybe mena townread
Why’s that?
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #247) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:46 pm

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In post 1503, Firebringer wrote:Can someone convince SS is town to me right now because I don't see anyone townread him and I don't get why this wagon only has me and skitter on it. Its like this wagon can gain no traction while gobbles can get L-1 even tho clearly no one is really townreading SS.
Prefer Lilith + gobbles is outed scum and I think that might be slowing the game down
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Post Post #1506 (isolation #248) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:48 pm

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I kinda think it’s either (Lilith, SS, chem) or it’s something like (SS, Blake, pure boi) with an outside chance of like firebringer or Maria in the second solve
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Post Post #1507 (isolation #249) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:48 pm

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In post 1496, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1495, Menalque wrote:If I’d rolled scum in my first game back I wouldn’t be trying this hard
But you try harder as scum...
Do I?
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Post Post #1508 (isolation #250) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:50 pm

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In post 1485, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1484, Menalque wrote:
In post 1482, Bingle wrote:Does anyone know if PB would be likely to fake a townslip as scum?

I think the answer is no, but I've spent the last like 4 games we play together mislynching him so I don't really trust myself on that judgment call.
I kinda think he would I just don’t know if he has. He’s done it twice which has given me some doubts
Is this English
I kinda think he would fake a townslip, I just don’t know if he did fake one. He’s made two things that could be seen as townslips this game and I don’t know if he would do that twice by sheer accident/coincidence
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Post Post #1511 (isolation #251) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:56 pm

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In post 1509, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1504, Menalque wrote:
In post 1502, skitter30 wrote:actually i retract my maybe mena townread
Why’s that?
you feel too self-aware of what scum!you would be doing in this situation and how you'd be playing differently than that
i'm confused how ss entered your lynch pool
I really don’t know what you mean by the first bit

So my lynch pool goes like:

S_S

Skitt
Chem

Lil
PP
Gobbles

If we deduct a turkey (because he’s a serial killer) a penguin (because I actually think I was just wrong there about his reaction to the scumread) and a person who I generally don’t want to lynch on D1 without very strong reasons to believe she’s scum what are we left with?

A lilith, a chemist, and an S_S
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Post Post #1512 (isolation #252) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:56 pm

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In post 1510, Firebringer wrote:if ss is in ur solve why not vote him
Because i want to lynch the turkey, I feel I’ve been very clear on this firebringer
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #253) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:57 pm

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Also @skitt where do I feel self-aware of what scum me would be doing? I have no idea where you’re getting that from
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #254) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:59 pm

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In post 1495, Menalque wrote:If I’d rolled scum in my first game back I wouldn’t be trying this hard
I find it weird that you would take this as me being self aware of what scum!me would be doing if that’s what you’re talking about. I think it’s pretty well known that I prefer rolling town and I’m just saying straight up that while I can emulate my towngames’ effort i would have been super bummed out if I’d rolled scum back in this game and prob wouldn’t have bothered too. Or I would have tried and dismally failed

Do you think I’m having to force myself to engage with this game, skitter?
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Post Post #1518 (isolation #255) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:59 pm

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^and i started writing that before you quoted that post, btw
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Post Post #1519 (isolation #256) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:00 pm

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Also you’re aware that you get paranoid of me basically every time I self-meta regardless of my alignment, right?
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Post Post #1521 (isolation #257) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:00 pm

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I think anyway, I definitely remember you getting paranoid in the past when I’ve self meta’d
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Post Post #1522 (isolation #258) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:01 pm

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In post 1520, Firebringer wrote:i could def see gobbles play here coming from tpr, so i am very hesitant to join u mena.
You... know he’s outright claimed SK right?
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Post Post #1524 (isolation #259) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:01 pm

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Lmao, warmpuppy bless ur heart
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Post Post #1525 (isolation #260) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:02 pm

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In post 1165, gobbledygook wrote:I actually do not have the energy to deal with this any further, but I do not want to replace out.

I am the serial killer. I am sorry if I offended mariar or anyone else. I will not be leashed, but I will only be shooting people I legitimately believe are scum.
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Post Post #1528 (isolation #261) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:05 pm

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In post 1527, Firebringer wrote:wow. I kind of believe him when he says he will townside tho lol.
I mean same but do u really wanna take that chance + he’s literally got a wincon to kill us all + it’ll be harder to find the will to lynch him tomorrow unless we hit scum today and I don’t feel that confident + he won’t be leashed
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Post Post #1533 (isolation #262) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:08 pm

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In post 1526, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1517, Menalque wrote:
In post 1495, Menalque wrote:If I’d rolled scum in my first game back I wouldn’t be trying this hard
I find it weird that you would take this as me being self aware of what scum!me would be doing if that’s what you’re talking about. I think it’s pretty well known that I prefer rolling town and I’m just saying straight up that while I can emulate my towngames’ effort i would have been super bummed out if I’d rolled scum back in this game and prob wouldn’t have bothered too. Or I would have tried and dismally failed

Do you think I’m having to force myself to engage with this game, skitter?
i don't think you're forcing yourself
and i think holistically you do feel different than that game (you know, that one)
but i get paranoid when you talk about yourself like this cuz it reminds me of nom's open where you very much fooled me
I think that is honestly probably the single biggest towntell I have, whether I’m forcing myself to post or I’m just around. Rip my future scum games now I’ve outed that

Do you mean the most recent game I played against you as scum?

I know you do and I don’t mean to but I just can’t help but live that selfmeta lyfe sometimes, blame papa leaf for fathering me as a newbie. But in seriousness, I just feel like I’m kind of beyond what can be called my reasonable scumrange — I’m still within a point I think I could technically push myself to, but I think anyone scumreading me now is probably mostly doing so out of paranoia or OMGUS. I know selfmeta doesn’t look great and that self awareness is viewed as scummy, but I think I’m very self aware regardless and always somewhat preoccupied with how I’m coming across to others.
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Post Post #1534 (isolation #263) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:09 pm

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In post 1530, Firebringer wrote:i feel obligated to defend third parties who come clean. I feel a fellowkinship with them as someone who plays survivor pro town.
Yes but he’s not a survivor he is a SERIAL KILLER who wants us all DEAD
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Post Post #1539 (isolation #264) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:11 pm

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He is the literal embodiment of this meme:

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Post Post #1541 (isolation #265) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:13 pm

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Right, only now imagine that it’s a TURKEY, with a KNIFE, who is running at you yelling *GOBBLE GOBBLE*

Lord knows I love the turkey but it doesn’t change the fact that he needs to die and he needs to die today
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #266) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:14 pm

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In post 1536, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1533, Menalque wrote:I think that is honestly probably the single biggest towntell I have, whether I’m forcing myself to post or I’m just around. Rip my future scum games now I’ve outed that
i did kinda get that vibe last time, yeah, tbh
i think on balance i'm ok townbinning you for today and not really thinking about it too much but i get paranoid when you say things like that
Yeah, sorry, I genuinely don’t mean to they just come out when I’m frustrated that someone isn’t acknowledging how towny I am when I feel I’ve been very towny — and that’s what I think bingle was doing at the point when I posted the original thing that made you paranoid
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Post Post #1543 (isolation #267) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:15 pm

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I long for blood

Can we lynch the turkey now?
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Post Post #1547 (isolation #268) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:32 pm

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In post 1375, lilith2013 wrote:mena, why are you voting me?
Pretty sure I explained this in my readslist? And because I said I wanted people to vote for people they’d lynch to make it easier to trace later
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Post Post #1548 (isolation #269) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:34 pm

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In post 1377, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1291, Menalque wrote:@lilith when you’re next here who do you feel is strongly town?
no one? the only people above null for me right now are skitter and SS but neither of those are strong reads
It concerns me somewhat that you don’t have harder stances than skitter and SS and datisi lightly town
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #270) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:35 pm

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In post 1383, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1360, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 980, lilith2013 wrote:disclaimer, i’m still not really caught up but i’m still working so i can’t make catchup posts
Why did you feel the need to make this post Lilith?
I thought it was better to be honest and upfront about how much i had/hadn’t read of the game? and wanted to be available if anyone was interested in engaging with me in real time even though I wasn’t fully caught up?

but cool, now i’m being pushed for being honest about where i am with the game, so i know to literally never do that again
But that’s not it, it’s that you felt like you needed to preemptively justify an absence that wouldn’t have been noticed anyway imo

And you’re also trying to make it about your activity, when the greater reason is that I feel like you’ve been very safe, haven’t really had reads, and have been imo trying to look active and like you’re around while actually contributing very little in the way of scumhunting or townhunting
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Post Post #1551 (isolation #271) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:38 pm

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In post 1385, lilith2013 wrote:i don’t see why i would blatantly announce that i can’t be active/haven’t caught up and draw attention to myself like that as scum? like if i were trying to blend in, couldn’t i just.... not post? so how is this AI? and ftr, the reason i made that initial post is because if i don’t say something that will hold me accountable for catching up (like other people asking why i haven’t caught up when i promised to), i’ll just procrastinate until the end of time. promising other people that i’ll do something is much more likely to get me to actually do it. it has nothing to do with me trying to look towny or whatever you think my reason was.
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #272) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:39 pm

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In post 1387, lilith2013 wrote:okay, i think my point is still valid that if mena thinks it’s a scumtell for me to pop in and say i can’t be around for a while and you also make a post saying you won’t be around for a while, that he should also think it’s a scumtell for you?
I know pure boi a lot better than I know you and so for him I feel better that it’s just who he is
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #273) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:40 pm

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In post 1545, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1435, Menalque wrote:
In post 1420, lilith2013 wrote:mena, i didn’t actually think you were ignoring me before but now it seems like you are in fact blatantly ignoring me
Sort of, but I’ll get to it once I’m at a computer

You post a lot of stuff
hi are you going to respond to anything i said?
Happy now?
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #274) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:40 pm

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Lmao I lowkey wanna roll the dice on Lilith actually being scum because if she is I think there’s no way I don’t die tonight if we lynch gobbles today
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #275) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:41 pm

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But on the flip side gobbles probably shoots me if we lynch Lilith!scum today so I can’t be a strong voice in favour of killing him tomorrow

Ahh, catch-22 thy name is mafia
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #276) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:43 pm

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Ugh shit feels janky and I don’t like it

Also I’ve become really hyperposty and I didn’t want to do that this game I swear. I’m giving myself a 24 hr posting ban unless I’m needed where I’m just gonna read so thread can breathe and people can catch up.

I’m starting to doubt my solve and idk why exactly
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #277) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:42 pm

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Just wanna say that I’m still reading even if I’m taking a step back and I don’t believe gobbles at all if the VT claim is serious
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Post Post #1680 (isolation #278) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:23 pm

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Gobble you should post what your reads are even if you don’t have the big explanation done yet
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #279) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:25 pm

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Datisi do you buy this?
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Post Post #1682 (isolation #280) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:26 pm

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I actually started to sour on my take of Lilith scum while I was away but now that Blake’s calling it harder I’m not sure
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Post Post #1688 (isolation #281) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:34 pm

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VOTE: gobbles
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Post Post #1690 (isolation #282) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:37 pm

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I don’t believe the turkey is town. Idk if he’s the SK who’s trying to wrangle his way back in or if he’s groupscum who was caught and decided to gambit it, but either way I don’t think he’s town and I’m not really interested in dealing with the WIFOM around it if he lives. There are other people who I’d be interested in lynching and who I’ve toyed with the idea of lynching but with the latest shenanigans taking place there’s really not much that’s going to sway me on lynching the bird today.

I’m happy to wait for him to give reads and let us know where his head’s at in case this is a town gambit gone horribly, horribly wrong, but yeah, I just don’t wanna deal with it.
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Post Post #1692 (isolation #283) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:41 pm

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Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s much more likely that he’s SK who’s now recanting because that’s his wincon. I’m just not ruling out the possibility that he’s groupscum. Could be that the game stalled because scum didn’t really know how to defend him and because one or more scum were bussing on the original wagon. But yeah, I think it’s much more likely he’s the SK trying to walk it back
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Post Post #1693 (isolation #284) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:42 pm

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Have I missed my chance to talk with the lovely Blake
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Post Post #1694 (isolation #285) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:42 pm

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Who I believe has unanswered questions from me to attend to
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #286) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:45 pm

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In post 867, Menalque wrote:@blake would you vote turkey?
In post 924, Menalque wrote:@blake, could you give explanations for the 4 reads you have earlier?
The first one is still relevant now I think, but the second is the one I’m more interested in
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Post Post #1697 (isolation #287) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:46 pm

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In post 1695, skitter30 wrote:I think ss voting gobble now, after defending him when he originally claimed sk, is scummy
I don’t remember SS defending him tbf, what did he say?
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Post Post #1698 (isolation #288) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:47 pm

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Also @blake what caused your María read to drop in strength?
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Post Post #1700 (isolation #289) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:53 pm

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I don’t see the conflict tbh skitt
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Post Post #1701 (isolation #290) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:54 pm

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What doesn’t make sense about S_S now voting the turkey?
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #291) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:00 pm

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Because he was a SK who was maybe someone who could be worked with because he was being upfront and honest about it and claiming he’d hard townside, whereas now he’s still a SK but he’s trying to WIFOM it and he’s not someone who can be trusted to work with town?
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #292) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:00 pm

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Are you scum skitt because I’m really not sure that town!you misses the contextual difference here :/
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Post Post #1707 (isolation #293) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:02 pm

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I don’t have a philosopher as my namesake lol
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Post Post #1710 (isolation #294) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:04 pm

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I’m just gonna struggle to trust anything you say until I see a green role PM with your name on it, my dear turkey. If that happens, I promise I’ll serious listen to what you’re saying, but I’ll also tell you that your reaction to L-1 felt like it was bullshit until you claimed SK, and your posting then felt very honest up until when you claimed VT
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #295) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:05 pm

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In post 1708, skitter30 wrote:If you're sk why dont you just claim vig
If you're groupscum why dont you just claim literally anything else
If you’re town why do you claim that you’re too frustrated and don’t have the energy to play and then claim SK?
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #296) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:06 pm

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In post 1712, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1710, Menalque wrote:I’m just gonna struggle to trust anything you say until I see a green role PM with your name on it, my dear turkey. If that happens, I promise I’ll serious listen to what you’re saying, but I’ll also tell you that your reaction to L-1 felt like it was bullshit until you claimed SK, and your posting then felt very honest up until when you claimed VT
Mena we could be masons and you’d be like “this mf a wolf y’all”
Inaccurate, I’d only do that if it were a bastard game <3
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #297) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:07 pm

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In post 1715, skitter30 wrote:My good man i'm trying to prevent your lynch here

Pedit that wasnt at you that was at mena to explain why, if you're scum, you're making silly claims that are suboptimal for you
Yes because scum would never make a suboptimal fakeclaim and we know of no games where that’s happened, do we?
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #298) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:08 pm

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In post 1705, Menalque wrote:Are you scum skitt because I’m really not sure that town!you misses the contextual difference here :/
I feel like you’re intentionally sidestepping this by focusing on gobbles btw skitt
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #299) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:18 pm

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In post 1719, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1713, Menalque wrote:
In post 1708, skitter30 wrote:If you're sk why dont you just claim vig
If you're groupscum why dont you just claim literally anything else
If you’re town why do you claim that you’re too frustrated and don’t have the energy to play and then claim SK?
To troll a town that is obviously terrible?
Look at Baker’s most recently completed large them. Read my iso. When towns are totally unwilling to work with me and tear me down at every chance for no reason when there are so many other scum bags just idling around it’s INFURIATING
I actually did and I think you were trying much harder there pre-wagon on you. I don’t really think you deserved to be lynched there based on your ISO, but also — you were wrong on lavender? I think you tend to get tilted when you’re town and you’ve been wagoned but I also don’t see why town!you claims SK there as opposed to something else, and it doesn’t change the fact that I got the impression that your posting felt much more honest while you were the outed SK than before or than it does now. If you’re town then genuinely I’m sorry for misreading you (again) and I’ll try to do better next time
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #300) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:21 pm

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In post 1723, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1720, Menalque wrote:
In post 1705, Menalque wrote:Are you scum skitt because I’m really not sure that town!you misses the contextual difference here :/
I feel like you’re intentionally sidestepping this by focusing on gobbles btw skitt
I think if he's sk he doesnt claim vt now, and i think if ss wanted to lynch the sk he ought to have when gobble claimed

I'm not sidestepping the issue, i'm being p clear that i think ss is scum taking advantage of thr gobble mess to revitalize that wagon
Why not? I think the game was stalling because the lynch was pretty much set on being on gobble and so there’s no harm if you think you’re dying anyway in trying another gambit. I think gobbles is quite similar to me in his approach to mafia/his emotional reactions and that is entirely something I’d do if my initial plan didn’t pay off

I just like — if you think that’s what SS is doing then I still don’t see why you would be confused in the first place by SS voting gobbles now but not then?
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #301) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:23 pm

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In post 1731, gobbledygook wrote:I was wrong on lavender and if we had been able to get her to claim that town would still have been better off since the masons don’t die as fast. The masons in that fame would have lead lynched but alas
I mean I didn’t read the whole game gobbles, I looked at your ISO (esp the early bit to see if I thought you getting wagoned was justified) and then I checked lav to see if your read was good or not to get a sense of how much tilt throws you off what I think are normally very good reads
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Post Post #1739 (isolation #302) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:24 pm

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I’d like to hear from some people other than the 4 of us tbh, especially Maria and PP and datisi
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Post Post #1740 (isolation #303) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:25 pm

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I also kinda wanna check what the plan was for the scumteam at this point in that C9++ game and what we were doing on D1 because depending on gobbles’ alignment I may now be having flashbacks
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #304) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:37 pm

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Well, I don’t know about everyone else, but I sure feel pretty good about the scumteam not being (skitter, gobbles, S_S)!
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #305) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:38 pm

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Also turkey I just went back over to look for your “scumslip” specifically in deb’s game and lol that was so egregiously fake that I have no idea how anyone voted you for it
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #306) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:41 pm

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UNVOTE:

I wanna check my work before we do this and make sure that I don’t think the turkey is gambiting

I think it’s very, very unlikely I change my mind but I’d be really pissed at myself if there’s something in his ISO that I think screams town and he gets lynched while I’m asleep
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #307) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:42 pm

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Also may I just say that while this is a stressful game and if gobbles is town there have been SIGNIFICANT ~*shenanigans*~ I appreciate that we’ve managed to not have anyone be toxic so far, and thank you for that @all
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #308) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:59 pm

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Pink bol, Blake thinks ur scum
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #309) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:00 pm

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Btw is that a new title?
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Post Post #1762 (isolation #310) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:08 pm

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I kinda think u might be too </3
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Post Post #1765 (isolation #311) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:10 pm

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In post 1764, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 1762, Menalque wrote:I kinda think u might be too </3
That would be delicious too
A delicious recipe for sadness maybe
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #312) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:38 pm

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It’s a cool title, I dig it for you. Also, that’s all it takes to get a title? Sweet, Solvey McSolverson supports this idea
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Post Post #1769 (isolation #313) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:39 pm

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(Also I do scumread you, I wasn’t kidding even though I was being sweet bc it’s u. I think you’re playing a quiet game that kinda reminds me of what you did in like AvP which also had a pretty stacked PL.)
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #314) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:56 am

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Hi, I had questions for you!
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Post Post #1805 (isolation #315) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:58 am

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Okay, what made you decrease your confidence in Maria and why do you think that I’m town?
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Did you get to a point previously where you felt more confident in reading me in general, because I remember in our first ever game together you said that my play is something you tend to get false positive results for scumhunting on so I’m curious what made you confident in me being town from early on and then sustained that
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Post Post #1809 (isolation #317) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:00 am

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Lilith, I responded to everything you were badgering me about and now it doesn’t feel like you wanna talk anymore

I would also like to talk to María at this point in time
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #318) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:01 am

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In post 1807, Datisi wrote:hi mena i gave you my opinion on the thing you asked is there anything you want to comment on that fact
Err not so much comment on but sure I’ll hear what you think on pure boi and skitter more recently
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #319) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:03 am

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Also why did you respond with “...” to my thanking people for not being toxic?
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Post Post #1815 (isolation #320) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:11 am

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I don’t think that’s toxic I think that’s potentially just frustration. Fuck, I think that might mean I TR gobbles too lmao. The inevitable struggle of lynching him to make sure I don’t have egg on my face in endgame or sticking on it and lynching elsewhere. Blake, what’s your read on S_S? Is there a world where that’s SvS with skitter to you?
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #321) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:12 am

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Also, if I’m understanding right, it’s less that you think I’ve done anything that townie and more that you think I haven’t done the things that would indicate to you that I’m playing from my scum mindset?
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Post Post #1819 (isolation #322) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:12 am

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In post 1816, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1809, Menalque wrote:Lilith, I responded to everything you were badgering me about and now it doesn’t feel like you wanna talk anymore

I would also like to talk to María at this point in time
I responded to you? Is there a specific thing you want me to answer?
Oh, did you? I missed that, sorry, I’ll go have a look in a mo, I’m about to do a load of washing up.
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #323) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:14 am

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I think Blake could be scum for the record but I think she’s done enough that I don’t wanna lynch her today and I think she’s probably being forced to bus if she is scum?

If I die and Blake survives after catching a couple of scum I don’t think she should be cleared, ftr. I’m not saying it makes her scum either but just that I think she’d bus if needed and that it shouldn’t be clearing. Same thing for skitt if chem!slot does flip scum
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #324) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:15 am

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Okay I’ll be back a bit later talk amongst yourselves
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Post Post #1838 (isolation #325) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:39 am

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In post 1837, PenguinPower wrote:Wait...turkey isn't a SK?
He’s now claiming VT
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #326) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:40 am

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There is debate as to whether this is true or not
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Post Post #1842 (isolation #327) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:41 am

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I think I just summoned PP with my mind. I was literally about to say that he hasn’t changed his vote in like 700 posts and that I wondered where his head was at now
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Post Post #1843 (isolation #328) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:41 am

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In post 1823, Datisi wrote:mena do you still wanna lynch gobbles
Please see for my current state of mind on a turkey lynch today
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #329) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:42 am

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I feel like something is up in the game rn but I can’t figure out what and it’s frustrating me. Like when there’s a word on the tip of your tongue I sort of feel like I am on the verge of figuring out what the scumteam want to accomplish here but can’t quite grasp it
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #330) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:43 am

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I don’t think pure boi/skitter is S/S?
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #331) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:47 am

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Maria what do you think of Blake and pure boi?
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Post Post #1865 (isolation #332) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:36 pm

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Well this is certainly a development
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #333) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:39 pm

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You know I don’t teach french, right, monkey man?
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #334) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:40 pm

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@skitter am I remembering correctly that you have a claimed proficiency in reading A50 or am I mixing you up with someone else? It’s been a while since I played with him
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #335) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:45 pm

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In post 1995, Almost50 wrote:You know what? call me a fool, call me naive, but I think I'm leaning on buying Turkey goofed up once more that believing him as group scum. It's like 50% VT, 45% SK, and 5% Mafia for me.
What do you think of the S_S wagon then?
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #336) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:45 pm

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Also does the retraction have any impact on your take on Lilith?
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #337) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:57 pm

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VOTE: punk bill
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #338) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:58 pm

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I may very well be an idiot but I think the monkey is town
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Post Post #2000 (isolation #339) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:01 pm

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Actually I think this is better and that trying to shift the lynch onto pb here would just be ego

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Post Post #2001 (isolation #340) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:12 pm

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In post 1685, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1683, skitter30 wrote:I meant during the first wagon or the one that prompted him to claim sk or voting him inmediately thereafter

Like why no and not at any point before the vt claim
Because I thought he was an SK before, and now I think he's groupscum.
The more I think about it the less I think this thought process actually makes sense. I think I agree with the monkey even if I’m not putting exact numbers on it, in that gobbles is overwhelmingly likely to be VT or SK. (If he’s SK then okay, we lose a day at some point dealing with him but at least we know where the SK is, or he has to no-kill to keep acting like he’s VT.) I think Smart would get there too if he were town, whereas I actually think soft-defending gobbles is a fairly safe play followed by trying to lynch him upon retraction being a pretty safe thing to push. I’ve felt super conflicted about whether we should lynch that and honestly I think that’s the town way to feel when you’re trying to actually assess if gobbles is gambiting or not, whereas if you’re scum it’s a free excuse to push that maybe removes someone who could shoot scum.

I also think (pb/fb) is likely to have a scum in it, and then somewhere in (skitt/Blake/Maria/dats/lil) is the other. It’s possible (fb/pb) is the whole thing IF smart is scum, but if he’s town then I think there’s very likely scum in those 5 names? But I also think smart is p good as the lynch because people have taken clear stances on him and because he’s a clear CW to gobbles, both of which should hopefully help in solving the game later
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Post Post #2002 (isolation #341) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:14 pm

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oog: gobbles I really hope you’re okay, take care of yourself!
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Post Post #2016 (isolation #342) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:00 am

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@dats I don’t think Blake has inherently done anything that would make her town, but during my general D1 reconsidering of the game she was one of the people who floated back into my mind as “plausibly scum”. However, if she /is/ scum then I think it’s hard for her to claim high levels of confidence and to then pursue mislynches, hence, I think she’s quite likely forced to bus today if she is scum for the cred needed to try and endgame.

Which is a view supported by her being hard town on me and bingle, (I think also now on A50) and likely town on you and Maria (who I think are town that I could be wrong on it my other scumreads are wrong but who I’m not convinced make scum with Blake, although I suppose I should double check that because writing it down makes me realise I don’t have strong reasons to think that besides instincts).
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #343) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:33 am

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I think my understanding of the game was wrong and there was scum somewhere in my higher tiers, you were one of the people I’ve been reconsidering as while I did think that your interaction with me rung as emotionally honest I didn’t think your ISO was actually very towny and I guess maybe you could have faked the emotional component (or that it was real but just not actually anything to do with you being town or not)
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Post Post #2019 (isolation #344) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:37 am

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Bingle - town
A50
Datisi, maria
Blake
Skitter, lilith, PP - null
Gobbles
Fb, pure boi - scum
S_S

Roughly where I’m at now, but there’s a lot that’s dependent on flips that isn’t like fully captured by just giving a list
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #345) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:39 am

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You don’t actually seem that invested/interested in solving the game but I just dont know at the moment if that’s scum!indicative or just due to ~*life*~ atm
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Post Post #2021 (isolation #346) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:40 am

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So: gonna flip S_S, then hopefully flip in pure boi and fb and then if we have 2 scumflips look back at who’s still making sense with them, in an ideal world
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Post Post #2025 (isolation #347) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:48 am

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As in: let’s say you’re scum. I don’t think you survive the double burden of (1) not being night killed and (2) failing to catch scum in, let’s say 2 days. Meaning that I think you /as scum/ is probably forced to bus a teammate to avoid the BoP trap. I also think you being confident in TRing people who I think are likely town also locks you into lynching in a pool that is likely to contain scum even if you yourself are scum hence forced to bus.

And if you’re town then yeah, I think your reads probably are pretty good and they’re in sync with mine enough that I’m okay going in that direction even if we’ll need to talk about fb at some point.
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Post Post #2026 (isolation #348) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:51 am

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In post 2024, Datisi wrote:
In post 2020, Menalque wrote:You don’t actually seem that invested/interested in solving the game but I just dont know at the moment if that’s scum!indicative or just due to ~*life*~ atm
it's indicative of this game having a high noise percentage (at least to my understanding) and things going in circles without Actual Information (i.e. flips/legit claims)

not much in this game is Inspiring me to solve
I don’t think there’s that much noise although I admit that I’ve probably been posting more than I strictly needed to. But like there’s a lot of things that you just idk, don’t seem that interested in? Like I remember you commenting on skitt/pb but you didn’t seem super interested

I just feel like you normally have more desire to play even on D1s when there are no flips *shrug*
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #349) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:55 am

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S_S, you should claim
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #350) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:32 am

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I don't know what your angle is but idk why you would try to push the gobbles Lynch with "likely group scum" with your angle once he retracted the SK claim
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Post Post #2035 (isolation #351) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:34 am

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and I think your angle might be as simple as "survive" because I think the game has been headed towards the lynch being you if not gobbles for a while and so long as he was claiming SK there were voices (myself + others) strongly advocating for his death.

once he retracted then you started pushing him as group scum which just doesn't make sense to me vs seeing him as still being the SK or just being what he says which is VT
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #352) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:39 am

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also just ftr, I do listen to you quite a lot when I feel at least moderately confident that you're town
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Post Post #2038 (isolation #353) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:40 am

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and I promise that if you flip town then I'll go back to what you've said about people white knighting the initial gobbles wagon and anything else you wanna touch on before we lynch you

none of this changes that you're at de facto L-1 with others who are willing to lynch you around and you should claim your role if you have one
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Post Post #2040 (isolation #354) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:52 am

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what do you think of S_S at this point Lilith?
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Post Post #2042 (isolation #355) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:59 am

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okay cool but like in the meantime could you describe your thoughts on SS within the range of (town, townlean, nulltown, null, nullscum, scumlean, scum)? it's one word and I'm about to go
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Post Post #2046 (isolation #356) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:04 am

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wonderful, ty

I still think I want to lynch him but I'll wait for you if you wanna towncase him.

you really should address the fact that you're on a vanity wagon though, and give your thoughts on the turkey (because if you're confident on SS town idk why you're not voting there to try and save him)
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Post Post #2068 (isolation #357) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:02 am

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@datisi were you being lowkey here because of brass and shrapnel?
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Post Post #2069 (isolation #358) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:05 am

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(Also congrats)
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Post Post #2071 (isolation #359) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:18 am

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I think I still want to lynch SS because I looked back at some of his games and don’t think that he’s anything like his town self here

And then if he flips red I think I want to lynch lilith again
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #360) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:18 am

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And then maybe pure boi
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #361) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:23 am

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In post 2074, Datisi wrote:
In post 2071, Menalque wrote:I looked back at some of his games and don’t think that he’s anything like his town self here
what did you look at?
I cba to link rn but GnR IV and the mini normal that tris modded
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #362) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:24 am

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Also looked at his posts when he was scum in the game with lilith and skitt and I think it’s much more approximate to here than either of those towngames
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #363) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:28 am

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In post 648, Something_Smart wrote:It probably is. I'm a lot more likely to appear invested in things as scum.
In post 1041, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1040, Firebringer wrote:i mean i don't even feel SS is scumhunting here guys.
...and?
In post 1045, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1043, Firebringer wrote:do u not scumhunt anymore?
Not on D1.
I also really think they give the lie to this, because town S_S pretty definitively does scumhunt on D1 and this now sounds much more like an excuse for not having scumhunted than it fits into his meta of not letting people push him into stuff
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #364) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:30 am

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In post 2077, Datisi wrote:current read of skitt?
Depends a lot on what S_S flips. I think much more likely to be town and would explain why I was having dissonance with her early on if my reads were off and she was pushing scum. Also liked the bit where she got paranoid of me and we talked about that, it felt like what’s happened before when we’ve both been town

On the flip side, I’ve had at least one game where I had her dead to rights and she managed to sell me on lynching someone else first through focussing me specifically and I’m pretty sure that if she wants to make me TR her as scum then she can and may have done so
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So leantown but it’s a qualified one. She gets a temporary pass if S_S flips scum but not an indefinite one because I know she will bus hard if needed
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #366) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:32 am

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I’m actually disappointed in myself for clicking on the b&s mafia thread before I read the game because I think I should have used it as a test of reading you
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #367) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:35 am

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In post 2084, lilith2013 wrote:also on what earth would scum be the sole defender against an L-1 wagon on their scumpartner?
...the world where they don’t want their scumpartner to be lynched lmao?
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Post Post #2088 (isolation #368) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:36 am

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In post 2085, lilith2013 wrote:i think you're trying to line up mislynches here
I’m Menalque’s big book of mafia it says that the person accusing someone else of chaining mislynches has a 17% increased chance of being scum so err — nuh-uh
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #369) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:57 am

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S_S what would your read have been on lilith if she’d entered the game hard shitpushing you?
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #370) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:53 am

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In post 913, Night 3 Roses wrote:hoctac i've got a really short fuse when it comes to people scumreading me (us in this case) for poor reasons especially when I feel they are trying to not engage us over them

if ur town here, you'll need to get out of your scum!roses read
if ur town, i strongly urge you to reread us and see if those reasons you say actually apply because they don't
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #371) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:55 am

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In other news reading datisi is harder than I remember it being
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #372) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:57 am

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Subject: Micro 941 | Brass and Shrapnel | Mafia PT
Datisi wrote:ye, i'm probably gonna play to my "omgus no u shut the fuck up" persona, plus dragon told me over discord this morning that's kinda what he thought too... how would you be reading us if town?
Hmm
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #373) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:07 am

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Remember everyone that if someone’s avi changes to a minutely different one during game then datisi is conf!scum
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Post Post #2162 (isolation #374) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:08 am

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What do you think the hmm is supposed to mean?
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Post Post #2165 (isolation #375) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:19 am

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In post 2163, Datisi wrote:either town!mena Noticing Something or scum!mena Pretending to Notice Something and either way i wanna hear about it
Oh ho ho ho, correct, datisi wins a point and points mean prizes!
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Post Post #2166 (isolation #376) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:22 am

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In post 2163, Datisi wrote:actually can you tell me more about this
Mix of ur tone is better than I remember it being mixed with you actually seemed much more engaged in that game than I’ve seen you be as town which is a big wow (although you still didn’t actually make that many posts esp compared with the scum pt which — 26 pages datisi, en serio!? — I’m still working through)

And on this occasion you were hmm’d because that post looks a lot like an acknowledgement of your OMGUS not necessarily being natural as a response but instead a persona that you choose to use in different games or not, and that’s significant bc that was a part of the reason why I was TRing you

Well not like specifically the reaction but what I felt like was the emotion /behind/ the reaction
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #377) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:22 am

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Hi
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Post Post #2170 (isolation #378) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:33 am

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Imma be honest with you I just skimmed your posts in the main thread for that game until I found something that would sound kinda bad from you but that I knew was from icon to see if you’d lie about it

Also yes, that post links to there lol?
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Post Post #2171 (isolation #379) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:37 am

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Hi

How you feeling about datisi and mariaR?
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Post Post #2173 (isolation #380) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:48 am

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Maybe I just wanna talk to you

Maybe I’m reaction testing you

Maybe it’s a third option

Also I’m on like page 12 or so of the scum pt, I’ll probably try to read the main thread ISO too but there’s a lot of dragon posting too which isn’t super useful to me(okay not that much but still)
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Post Post #2178 (isolation #381) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:56 am

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What about lilith and SS? Do you think this is possible theatre or not?
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Post Post #2179 (isolation #382) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:56 am

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And if it’s not do you still prefer lilith?
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Post Post #2180 (isolation #383) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:57 am

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Does anyone know if Maria does play for pocketing people?
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Post Post #2183 (isolation #384) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:59 am

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In post 2175, Datisi wrote:okay fine

i was gonna respond something along the lines of "i put on a persona only when playing scum, as town my reactions are genuine, do you really not see the difference" and also you legit got my hopes up that my scumgame's improved but if you haven't even read the main thread ISO of the game well alriGHTY THEN
Well hey it’s improved to the point that I wasn’t reading it going “lmao how has no one called datisi scum here she’s playing super off her towngame” but then it became hard trying to analyse what was genuinely scummy or not scummy in your posting and I stopped trying because brain tired

Also I do lol but this feels like basically the most you’ve talked to me in days and I appreciate it
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Post Post #2187 (isolation #385) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:07 pm

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In post 2182, Datisi wrote:blake are you purposefully changing your avatars?
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In post 2161, Menalque wrote:Remember everyone that if someone’s avi changes to a minutely different one during game then datisi is conf!scum
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #386) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:09 pm

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In post 2185, Datisi wrote:
Menalque wrote:
In post 2175, Datisi wrote:okay fine

i was gonna respond something along the lines of "i put on a persona only when playing scum, as town my reactions are genuine, do you really not see the difference" and also you legit got my hopes up that my scumgame's improved but if you haven't even read the main thread ISO of the game well alriGHTY THEN
Well hey it’s improved to the point that I wasn’t reading it going “lmao how has no one called datisi scum here she’s playing super off her towngame” but then it became hard trying to analyse what was genuinely scummy or not scummy in your posting and I stopped trying because brain tired

Also I do lol but this feels like basically the most you’ve talked to me in days and I appreciate it
that lowkey feels like a very backhanded compliment

also you're welcome?
See we were having a lovely moment and then you take this as a backhanded compliment instead a genuine one because ????

I’m not saying you were bad as scum I’m saying I think I used to (after that first game lmao) pick up on your scum games really effectively (partly bc I was reading them all) and that I wouldn’t have been able to in b&s

That’s just like a straight compliment

Why don’t you ever just shitpost with me anymore

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Post Post #2192 (isolation #387) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:11 pm

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How come you didn’t TR lilith’s AtE then? She did a big load of AtE when I was pushing her as my top scumread which actually did make me think she wasn’t scum after all, although I’m also fucking awful at reading lilith based on reading through her games since she got back onto site and really don’t trust my read on her
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #388) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:12 pm

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I think this is one of those hard games where scum is actually trying and I would much prefer it if scum could just lie down and let me take a win in my first game back tyvm
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Post Post #2194 (isolation #389) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:13 pm

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Sidebar: did you make the avatars yourself, Blake?
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Post Post #2207 (isolation #390) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:16 pm

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In post 2204, Blake Belladonna wrote:you, me, skitter30, and Bingle all in the game, all of whom I have seen (or in my case, experienced,) being very high priority nightkills depending on the game
Oof, that moment when you don’t get lumped in the high priority night kill group
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #391) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:17 pm

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In post 2200, Datisi wrote:this might be very stupid but mena do you ever post gifs as town?
I genuinely have no idea but if I haven’t before there’s a brand new meta on me!

(I’m p sure I post gifs as both alignments)
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Post Post #2209 (isolation #392) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:20 pm

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In post 2198, Datisi wrote:
In post 2191, Menalque wrote:
In post 2185, Datisi wrote:
Menalque wrote:
In post 2175, Datisi wrote:okay fine

i was gonna respond something along the lines of "i put on a persona only when playing scum, as town my reactions are genuine, do you really not see the difference" and also you legit got my hopes up that my scumgame's improved but if you haven't even read the main thread ISO of the game well alriGHTY THEN
Well hey it’s improved to the point that I wasn’t reading it going “lmao how has no one called datisi scum here she’s playing super off her towngame” but then it became hard trying to analyse what was genuinely scummy or not scummy in your posting and I stopped trying because brain tired

Also I do lol but this feels like basically the most you’ve talked to me in days and I appreciate it
that lowkey feels like a very backhanded compliment

also you're welcome?
See we were having a lovely moment and then you take this as a backhanded compliment instead a genuine one because ????

I’m not saying you were bad as scum I’m saying I think I used to (after that first game lmao) pick up on your scum games really effectively (partly bc I was reading them all) and that I wouldn’t have been able to in b&s

That’s just like a straight compliment

Why don’t you ever just shitpost with me anymore

Pedit: ur welcome I went to a lot of effort finding those gifs
i love the "after that first game"

maybe (maybe) it was an error on my part but it did kinda feel like it

also sorry i was under the impression that we're having a Serious Sorting Session
In my defense you were a totally unknown quantity there

I mean, it wasn’t tho. I’m really starting to feel like you don’t give me the benefit of the doubt in a lot of cases tbh dats

And well, no, I did that already rn I wanna chill have some fun, read other people Trying Hard and shitpost a bit

And then lynch S_S
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Post Post #2210 (isolation #393) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:21 pm

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How confident do you feel about lilith being scum, Blake?

Also, I think the avi you linked is maybe my favourite of them
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Post Post #2212 (isolation #394) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:22 pm

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I sort of think I’m starting to scumread Blake tbh
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In post 2211, Pink Ball wrote:I use the word "fiddlefaddle" only as town!
Trust tell, ur banned

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Post Post #2214 (isolation #396) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:24 pm

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God, I need a flip, I’m going insane
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Post Post #2216 (isolation #397) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:31 pm

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We’re getting close to an S_S flip I believe
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In post 2219, lilith2013 wrote:that’s L-2 again i think
Pretty sure it’s L-1?
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Post Post #2223 (isolation #399) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:45 pm

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Who was the unvote?
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