Everyone wants to lynch the row I feel the most...well almost nothing about. Dunnstral is Null Roy is Null and Cat is someone I wouldn't mind lynching but mostly because nothing they say is impressive so that's also a shade of null. I just want them to all do something more. It's very easy for scum to just be in that row and I'm considering the two slots beside me as partners because they're posting. You are more likely to think things bad with a post the more you do post after all.
So yeah lynching the bottom row is something I have no real strong objections for, nor against besides the fact I'm just iffy on a Max/GE pairing. But that pairing is unlikely cause I think Max is town here and want to talk to Blair on it
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:45 am
by Clover Ebi
I'm starting to get into one of my ramble moods so I'm gonna go make lunch I spam.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:45 am
by Blair
In post 200, Clover Ebi wrote:I think Max is town here and want to talk to Blair on it
If you can free me from this death tunnel I'm all ears, but I'm having a hard time seeing Max's posts as coming from town in good faith.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:21 am
by Umlaut
beeboy replaces Rozyroz.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:21 am
by beeboy
I wanted a scum role pm, refund pls.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am
by Celeste
Hmhm. If you are going to lie, at least try to lie convincingly.
VOTE: beeboy
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:56 am
by GuiltyLion
hi beeboy!
your predecessor didn't give us a lot to go off!
but Maxwell and I (the two people who have pushed the game towards possibly lynching you) both gutfeel your slot as town yet simultaneously the safest/best lynch of the four corners, also a slot that strategically leads to a CSF death
I'd be most interested in your thoughts on:
1) lynching in the corners today
2) CSF/Blair/mayyyybe T-Bone slots
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:38 am
by T-Bone
Maxwell's plan eliminates a Maxwell/dunnstral team, yes? Not that either couldn't be independently scum, but they can't be scum together.
In post 152, Celeste wrote:Luck controls life. It is a terrifying force that cannot be fully understood.
Where path is Lady Luck ushering us towards? rozyroz or maxwell?
There's a way to kill both of us, and it starts with voting rozyroz. From there, mafia shoots you night 2. Then town lynches Cat Scratch Fever, forcing Dunnstral to be the night 2 kill, and I'm forced as the day 3 lynch. Of course, this loses the game if both mafia are within T-Bone/Clover Ebi/GuiltyLion/Blair, but I'm willing to bet the game on at least 1 scum being in one of the bottom 3 squares.
(you could also start with me, but then you'd have to kill guiltylion and either T-Bone or Clover instead. I don't townread T-Bone but I'd prefer getting Cat Scratch.)
So all the strategy I've alluded to in previous posts is this: By voting players in a certain order, we can force the scum kills for nights 2 and 3 to be on certain players, leaving us with only one corner of the board (I saw this was discovered in a previous game when I read through it, which made me feel less smart). So, what you should be doing as confirmed town in what is likely your only day alive is picking two players in adjacent squares you have strong townreads on, and plan a pattern that lynches everyone but them. I can illustrate this later but it's late not
So that being said, VOTE: rozyroz
I know I said I had a gut townread on them, and still do, but this sets up getting rid of the kanna/cat scratch slot, which I want to make happen. I could always be wrong about that read on rozy as well, that type of statement certain can come from a newbie scum player who doesn't know what to push on, my instinct is just that newbie town basically have to be honest when they don't know what to do while as scum they can just make something up and usually will.
(I feel bad putting my vote on an obviously new player day 1 especially when it doesn't really have anything to do with their play).
If you decide to get rid of me day 1 I'll accept it but I'd request that you then lynch rozy so that T-Bone and Blair are the next two to die. I don't want clover/guilty getting killed and an end board with blair/cat scartch/dunnstral on it is supbar as I don't find any of those players to be towny.
I won't vote guiltylion unless it's 1 minute before deadline and there are no other lynch options.
Like, this is really weird from the standpoint that maxwell and Dunnstral are scum together. So there's that.
Just overall is a weird plan as both alignments. The best lynch for scum!maxwell is Dunnstral, as it ensures maxwell goes to LyLo. Weird as town though, because from any town perspective, you already get to eliminate two people because of Celeste. I can see not being concerned with survivability, but if you're town you'd rather be the nightkill, no?
but Maxwell and I (the two people who have pushed the game towards possibly lynching you) both gutfeel your slot as town yet simultaneously the safest/best lynch of the four corners, also a slot that strategically leads to a CSF death
I'd be most interested in your thoughts on:
1) lynching in the corners today
2) CSF/Blair/mayyyybe T-Bone slots
I was baited into playing valorant as soon as I joined this game so I haven't read yet.
If you think I am town what makes a corner better then the center? That CSF kill is also a long haul that requires us to lynch in a certain way d2. Feels near sighted to me and an easy way to mislynch someone.
but Maxwell and I (the two people who have pushed the game towards possibly lynching you) both gutfeel your slot as town yet simultaneously the safest/best lynch of the four corners, also a slot that strategically leads to a CSF death
I'd be most interested in your thoughts on:
1) lynching in the corners today
2) CSF/Blair/mayyyybe T-Bone slots
I was baited into playing valorant as soon as I joined this game so I haven't read yet.
If you think I am town what makes a corner better then the center? That CSF kill is also a long haul that requires us to lynch in a certain way d2. Feels near sighted to me and an easy way to mislynch someone.
What else are you thinking?
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:57 am
by T-Bone
Also (as I triple post) it is really weird tonally for maxwell to continue to complain about the early game strategy talk...while basing his vote here mostly on strategy. Is that again, lack of self-awareness, or seeing the scum-tactic you yourself are doing everywhere? (if you recall, his entrance to the day was calling people scum for being devoid of content while he himself was being devoid of content. Now he's complaining about people spending time on game strategy while using game strategy as the reason for his vote)
This is a vote: maxwell except I'm not making it official because I don't want to move him to L-1 yet. I may still also want to lynch Dunnstral, and I may also want beeboy depending.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:01 pm
by T-Bone
Coincidence that Maxwell's lynch nearly ensures at least one if not both these players go to LyLo? No other wagon is currently composed like that. (except maybe my vote on Dunnstral)
In post 126, Clover Ebi wrote:Is it bad I like this? I don't know, combined with the fact that everyone is kinda open to max dying and him doubling down I get bad feelings. Although this would go against my entire theory in the first place.
What about maxwell's post did you like?
In post 129, maxwell wrote:Actually, reading back after the reference to dunnstral made me notice something:
In post 104, Dunnstral wrote:I think T-bone is scummy; I think Blair said they were town because they were talking about mechanics early? I don't buy into that, I don't see a reason for mafia to avoid talking about mechanics - I do it all the time as mafia, actually
Okay, why is my post talking about you and T-Bone scummy when you suspect him as well?
Why is this weird if you and Dunnstral have different reasons for suspecting T-Bone?
As an aside, I think everyone should vote even if you're not confident in your scumreads because having your vote in play will help build wagons.
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VOTE: maxwell
I think this is a good starting point.
Compared to Clover's, and GuilityLion's votes, these look bad. (rozy had a joke vote so hard to say, and while maxwell's is weird, it's not like these votes) CSF's slot did vote for GuiltyLion right after Clover did. Super interesting pair of votes from that slot, as both GL and maxwell are optimal for scum!CSF slot.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:19 pm
by T-Bone
In post 211, T-Bone wrote:
This is a vote: maxwell except I'm not making it official because I don't want to move him to L-1 yet. I may still also want to lynch Dunnstral, and I may also want beeboy depending.
Scratch that, this is no longer the case. I may have talked myself out of maxwell!scum? idk
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:37 pm
by Cat Scratch Fever
Why do you dislike my vote on maxwell?
And my slot did vote guiltylion earlier but I’d prefer to lynch max and failing that, the beeboy slot today
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:39 pm
by Dunnstral
VOTE: beeboy
I believe Rozyroz was mafia
Guiltylion looks to be playing like they play as town... which they often are
Maxwell seems fine to me
Guiltylion looks to be playing like they play as town... which they often are
Maxwell seems fine to me
I don't believe you unless this is POE but you're hedging your reads on all the other corners.
You can't believe a slot with 2 posts is scum when said slot replaced out after 2 irl days.
Idk not vibing with this.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:33 pm
by Blair
@T-bone
I moved my vote from Dunnstral to another corner because Dunnstral's paranoia pinged townie to me. Context is key in this case - not much had happened yet. It would be disingenuous to conflate the reason I moved my vote with the reason I am still voting for Maxwell now - which is well documented and I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing it.
Guiltylion looks to be playing like they play as town... which they often are
Maxwell seems fine to me
I don't believe you unless this is POE but you're hedging your reads on all the other corners.
You can't believe a slot with 2 posts is scum when said slot replaced out after 2 irl days.
Idk not vibing with this.
Yeah, I agree that it looks like a reach - but it's kind of a townie reach? How does scum!Dunnstral benefit from townreading the opposite corner and scumreading an adjacent corner? That's a bit too risky to be a manufactured read.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:38 pm
by beeboy
In post 220, Blair wrote:Yeah, I agree that it looks like a reach - but it's kind of a townie reach? How does scum!Dunnstral benefit from townreading the opposite corner and scumreading an adjacent corner? That's a bit too risky to be a manufactured read.
He has a buddy that holds another position on the board.
I opened the game expressing I wanted to roll scum, I have 24 hours left, reasonable to assume I am not just opening the game in 2 or saving myself in that time.
IC has also already voted me.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:42 pm
by Dunnstral
Only reason I hadn't voted your slot was I was waiting to see if Rozyroy could come up with anything convincing to explain what seemed like a scum move; but then he left, so he never will
And now you're acting like scum trying to discredit me
They posted a lot more and their personality is more apparent
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:47 pm
by Blair
In post 221, beeboy wrote:I opened the game expressing I wanted to roll scum, I have 24 hours left, reasonable to assume I am not just opening the game in 2 or saving myself in that time.