Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:27 pm

1. I still dont understand what you think my scum motivation is to lead out on the outset of today

2. LL declared me as obvtown.

3. bm is a scumbag. Reread his ISO from the point of assuming he is scum and then redo so from the perspective of him being town.

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:27 pm

Then decide which is more likely

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:32 pm

Do you think buddying works on an experienced player like LL?
Do you really think thats the play i make as scum?
LL was obv town

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:34 pm

Lol. Srsly. Im being penalized for correctly reading LL...

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:36 pm

Your just confbiasing.

No idea y u r focussing day 1.
Day 1 noone except scum has info
Day 2 is way more important as all of town has flip information.

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:38 pm

In post 1354, TheThirteenthJT wrote:I did read him as scummy and really wanted a 72 and BM team but that became impossible since this game would be over andlokker or Jamsv would have been hammered

I did not like the situation around Clark the previous day and also I have issues trusting his reaction to a potential fakeclaim by me as I figure town him would have said something along the lines of "I figured there was a chance you were fakeclaimjng" especially after he openly said I am capable of doing it

Now as the day goes BM and Jamsv seemed to be more of a team for me. But it was going to be hard to do my crossvote thing since he is missing.

Looker is hard to read. I literally can't.

Why did you WANT a bm + me team?
That alone shows u r confbiasing on me.

So figure looker out through PoE

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:02 pm

No idea. Dont care to investigate tbh

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:02 pm

Ask them

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:03 pm

If looker is town then y rnt u kicking jams.

Your play makes zero sense

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:05 pm

Ive corre tly voted for bm, so ive handed u 2 coin flips on a silver platter.

Still no looker quick hammer so looker is guranteed scum.

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:17 pm

Lol what a mess.
Im here and i havent voted for jams yet, so im clear

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:18 pm

Unvote

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:18 pm

So you are picking Jam and letting looker decide tomorrow's kick if he is fact town? LOL

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:19 pm

Well technically i could be scum with an afk scum partner

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:19 pm

I still cant believe you havent come to the realisation im town

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:20 pm

If you are corrwct in jam being scum then kudos to you

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:21 pm

Are you decided on jam then ttjt? Want me to vote for him?

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:23 pm

Nvm ttjt went to bed.
At least if jam is town i didnt get kicked despite being obvtown.

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:23 pm

Dat pagetop ninja

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:52 pm

Vote Jam

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:52 pm

Drum roll

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:55 pm

Anticlimactic

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:55 pm

Crickets chirping while sitting on tumbleweeds

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:08 pm

Yep, sucks. Oh well.

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:11 pm

I thought u played well jam. Read you and LL/porkens as town day one.

Read TTJT/clark/BM as scum

Looker scum by poe once clark cleared ttjt

I thought we really should have won this. The 2 of us were on the same page.

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:41 pm

You know the worst thing?
I was right about blopp being scum too xD

72offsuit · Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:41 pm

Death by 1000 cuts

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:27 am

In post 1400, Looker wrote:"Hey, man, I'm a doc that didn't protect the cop because I was busy. No, I didn't submit V/LA. No, I didn't ask for an extension. Just get off my back, alright??"

I don;t think comments like this are helpful.

Learn to win gracefully.

Jam and I had you pegged, don;t gloat.

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:28 am

In post 1397, LuckyLuciano wrote:It's almost like newbie tells work. For the record, I replaced out not because I was being pressured but because both Quick and Looker replaced in.

I HATE replacing out, but i was SUPER close to replacing out when those 2 joined too.

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:29 am

In post 1398, LuckyLuciano wrote:If we eliminated scum for scum slipping instead of pushing town for catching scum, town won this game.

Yep, i got screwed over for townreading your slot/porekns correctly, and for correctly VOTING SCUM BM IN LYLO

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:30 am

TTJT's case was like 90% because i was against a town player's lynch. That's what really annoyed me this game.

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:31 am

Anyways, apologies for not letting you claim Dunnstral. I was going to hammer you even if you claimed a power role if that helps.

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:32 am

In post 1399, Looker wrote:Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know - you hate us. Got it.

The doc bluff was hilarious.

Focussing on player's solid cases as to why plaayer's are scum > fancy play any day.

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:33 am

I've once tried so hard to pretend I wasnt cop that was almost not believed when i actually claimed cop.

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:33 am

In post 1408, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 1403, 72offsuit wrote:
In post 1398, LuckyLuciano wrote:If we eliminated scum for scum slipping instead of pushing town for catching scum, town won this game.
Yep, i got screwed over for townreading your slot/porekns correctly, and for correctly VOTING SCUM BM IN LYLO

In post 1405, 72offsuit wrote:TTJT's case was like 90% because i was against a town player's lynch. That's what really annoyed me this game.
Yeah, being correct is seen as scummy when town players are unable to see why you are correct. "They were right and I was wrong, and I'm not okay with that, so they are scum!"

This ^

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:34 am

Anyways, thems the breaks. I thought raya/dunn was scummy ++, so I'm as culpable as anyone.

GG scum. Next game won;t be so easy

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:35 am

I'm still really not sure why TTJT wanted to kick me so badly. I;d like to know so I can prevent whatever I did that seemed scummy. Thoughts?

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:34 am

In post 1414, LuckyLuciano wrote:Raya's push onto me was... not something I expected out of an SE slot. If a newbie made that push I wouldn't have scumread them.

Pedit: I didn't read the game to thoroughly after replacing out, but certainly everyone ignored my reads list I gave upon replacing out. I gave a PoE of {BM -> Raya -> Clark} with the condition that Clark is only scum if BM is town and Raya is scum, if not look to {Looker, Quick}. I also hard defended you. But even in death I was ignored. Oh well. It's probably my fault for being abrasive early on. A big part about being mafia is getting people to like you. Being good at reading people is one of the least important skills in this game.

I didnt ignore u. I voted for BM and brought up your TR of me.

72offsuit · Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:26 pm

In post 1440, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1383, JamSV wrote:Another game where lurkers and the obvscum win. Town has actual cases against scum but they are ignored. Oh well.
Don't think this is a fair reflection at all.

In post 1392, Nahdia wrote:GG all. I appreciated seeing everyone playing hard this game, it's all you can ask for as a moderator really. TTJT, I'll say that the first time I mishammered in LYLO was pretty soulcrushing, but it's a rite of passage we all go through. You only get better!

Big ups to the mafia team for informing me when JamSV accidentally selfvoted in LYLO and asked me how I was going to handle it rather than just blitzing. Like I said, I think going forward I'll put a rule in my ruleset that votes inside broke quote tags won't be counted, but not having that rule to begin with made it an ambiguous situation and there are mods who would have ended the game there. So I appreciate them giving the opportunity to play it out.
In fairness, TTJT didn't mishammer, 72offsuit did (somehow!?).

And the Jam accidental self-vote was a really interesting situation. I think you made the right call as Mod to disallow it, but I think it was problematic to confirm that in the thread after the situation had already resolved itself. It would have been better for the game to leave that ambiguity there, and I'm never mad about Mods weighing in on something in the thread which can affect people's judgements about alignment. As I noted in the scum PT, your public response to the question from Jam and 72o which stated an unequivocal position illegitimately damaged my argument that I could have arguably hammered in that spot because of the ambiguity. It would have been a good thing to clarify after the game I think (as it was unlikely the situation would arise again).

In post 1393, Nahdia wrote:I feel bad for Blopp. She seemed so excited to play here, and her spirit was crushed so quickly! I do wish she had told me she was flaking rather than just disappearing like that though and forcing me to go through prodding her and all. Perhaps next time I get newbies that roll goon I should provide some more encouragement.

On that note, also big thanks to everyone who replaced in.

I don't know if this applies to anyone here, but if any of you who were newbies haven't tried out the other queues, I encourage you to do so. I'm happy to answer questions about the other queues if you have any. Or anything else about the site, really. I hope to see you around in other games.
The mafia PT when we replaced in was hilarious, I think it was just Blopp and Homura going "shit, what do we do now?" If they come back to the site, they can claim an unbeaten record though, Looker and I definitely gave scum a better chance here.

Thanks again Nahdia, was a really good game!

TTJT was the clear. He picked his kick. I voted with his choice. Going against the clear wouldve just got me scumread in lylo if somehow jam was in fact scum.