Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

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* jk++ where she was scum

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what about her play this game is out of her scumrange?

she's being assertive with her reads, and there's an underlying pov that's driving most of her posts in this game

like i can actually follow how she's thinking about the game, what's forming her opinions, and why

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also i hope that everyone who was in the storm's path is safe, and that power gets restored soon

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I'm not sure where the paranoia came from

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fascinating

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aldu's sudden paranoia of me, and pooky thinking we're teamed

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oh? do tell then

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your interaction with tw felt more careful than natural. its mostly a feeling i get when reading your posting.

nah, i was a bit annoyed with him this morning but then i started having fun with it. careful is not at any point the word i would use tho

agree with what lilith said regarding my knowledge of my meta of her, and that townreading her oughtn't be read as ai for me, etc

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i don't really have an answer. i don't know how to get a better read on him

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i don't really have an answer. i don't know how to get a better read on him

i might outsource it to dats if/when he gets a good read on him

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ealier i said bugs, not dc.
i don't think i said i would outsource that one at all

i think you have a better feel for aldu than i do

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huh i remember saying that about bugs.
ok then i don't know what i was thinking at the time

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yeah ngl i've had a really hectic week and this game has been hard to follow and i'm definitely mixing up details from prior to the replacements, so sorry about that, but i really doubt that i'm going to go back and look at things over again
(i'm doing better now)

aldu, i guess, just isn't being townie but has a good enough scumgame that i'd expect him to be playing better as scum? does that even make sense?

i'm kinda weirded out by the sudden/weird paranoia on me that bloomed out of nowhere last night

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i'm kinda fascinated how this aldu/me narrative has become a thing recently tho

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I don’t think “expect scumgame to be better” is a reason not to scumread them though if their play isn’t actually townreadable?

yeah i get that
it's still something niggling tho that's making it hard for me to scumread him cuz the last couple of times i was hardtownreading him when he was scum so

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only two people have said it and two people have also said duck/aldus could be a thing so like?

I think the lack of read on aldus is very weird

you
tw - couldn't quantify it when he brought it up
pooky
dats now too

aldu might be trying to play this up but i'm kinda trying to see if that's what he's trying to do, and i think the paranoia might be him trying to play up this narrative
(i'm aware that me allowing this/acknowledging this might make him look more aligned with me, rather than less, but i'm not sure i particularly care)

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(i don't bus/distance this way, i'm better at bussing/distancing, etc, etc, etc like nearly everyone in this pl is aware of this so like ...)

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like i can pull out the whole song-and-dance but if i were partners with aldu this would not be a conversation that we'd be having
(on my end, see city (hah), see like every non-newbie scumgame i've been in in the past like two years, on aldu's end see coalition (ahem pooky? you think me/aldu looks like this ????)

i am incredibly confident on that

pedit i just read skitt/duck as skitt/aldu lol

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You know that’s ++ you/duck equity right

indeed. that's fine

idk where i want to vote. i know where i dont' want to vote {you, ss, dats, bug's slot}

i'd be happy with tw, i'm aware that this is not necessarily happening
i can compromise on aldu if necessary. not ideal tho

pooky i'm coming around to townreading
i don't have a read on dsjstr

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i have many Thoughts too!

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it is not!

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that is fascinating, i definitely have not (at least consciously) been trying to mimic your points/thoughts, and i think this is a townie (if paranoid) post

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@skitter Is aldus your second-most-likely-scum?

i guess by poe, yes

starting to feel like there might be scum in the townreads tho cuz everyone having hte same like 3-person poe is starting to feel a bit Not Right

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me, tw, aldu apparently

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yeah i figured, i get what you mean

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ok can we talk more about aldu's sudden paranoia on me tho, once people started talking about aldu/me being a thing (and he became aware of it)

from my pov knowing that i'm town it kinda seems like he's trying to play up that association suddenly

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i'm working on it and that seems to be a relavant part of the picture
i'm also having a hard time seeing tw scumreading me at the point he did

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i'm aware, but the paranoia thing is i think the 'hook' that i'm going to be able to use to get a better read, if that makes sense

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yeah i meant vanilla + i'm reading you as town = wrote vt when i probably should have written vanilla to be very clear

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i was wondering if the slip (at least, the phrase you're viewing as a slip, before someone tells me that by writing the word 'slip' i'm scum subconsciously acknowleging it as an actual slip, etc. i kinda assume that it's understood that these things are not slips which is why i don't always include this clause in every post i write), was about me cuz you're interacting with me differently now than last night/yesterday afternoon

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i'm working on aldu
(partially while talking to you, like as i'm talking i'm kinda like refining what i'm thinking about it)

i think the most concerning thing about him to me rn is whether or not he's trying to tie me to scum!him
i don't know if i can get a further sense of clarity here without talking to him and getting him to elaborate why that thought occured to him at that point

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i also do want pooky to elaborate on why he thinks me/aldu associatives would look like this given how coalition went down

i think there's scum in the people pushing/leaning into this narrative
and i may or may not have been playing it up a bit to see what how the narrative around that associative would develop

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that tw hasn't been willing to elaborate on why that's a thing
aldu i think might be trying to take advantage of it to make me look scummy (i'm still working on this)
pooky's read on aldu (and his ability to form associatives) doesn't make sense given how the scumteam of pooky/aldu won the recent coalition game

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raises hand

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tw did say despite it being poe he could see us being partnered

wrt pooky ... possibly more towards scum? i need to hear how/why he thinks scum!aldu would appraoch an associative in this way because he should know scum!aldu is very good at distancing

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i'm least confident on bugs-slot
and i think the current composition of the aldu wagon is Sketchy

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not really, no

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heya raven

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my sus of you doesn't have that much to do with aldus. has to do more with your interaction with tw.

can u elaborate plz?
also i'm voting tw over aldu cuz i think tw is scummier

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ok but you brought up the connection twice now in very vague terms, so i'd like to hear a bit more about what you find scummy about the interaction when you're able to articulate it

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hi lilith!

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(in case it wasn't clear, i'd like to hear more, ty!)

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VOTE: skitter

ya know the one thing that i'm kinda doubting about scum!you is that i don't think scum!you would think that this would really go anywhere

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UNVOTE:

I'm just talking myself in circles at this point

well if there's anything u wanna talk about with me, lmk

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i feel like i have a p good grasp on the gamestate tho
idk what you're expecting in repsponse from me when i made it p clear that i think the things you're pushing me for are kinda baloney

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man that universe would be fun, but alas

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i feel like i have a p good grasp on the gamestate tho

Didn't you just say that the game felt Not Right that everyone was POEing down to the same people and that there's probably scum in the townreads?

yeah but i'm not gonna worry about it rn, i'm voting scum!

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(@tw this isn't what my scumgame looks like, etc etc etc but idk if i feel like being like ~serious~ and knocking this down rn if that makes sense)

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indeed!

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i really wish that could happen some day

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Lilith! Does this game look anything like my scumgame ?

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eh lunacy was weird and atypical. let's go with city!

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i feel like i've explained why skitter is my #1 scumread in quite a lot of detail u_u

indeed! and i'm going to like Shut This Down and Will Not Be Eliminated today as i think like 6/9 of the current pl is intimately familiar with my scumgame and should be able to tell this isn't it
(including yourself! cept you're a scumduck who's pushing me anyways, which is a Sad but Noble pursuit that will ultimately be unfulfilling)

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what's the other game you have on scum!me?
i guess you don't have to answer that if you don't want to out your main but i'm not sure what the one prior to lunacy was

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eh it was representative of my current capacity/tendencies as scum tho
idk if aggro is the right word either

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I’m not sure if I can reference it specifically without outing my main but we also “collaborated” in that game. *hint* *hint*

right, that one.
that wasn't representative iirc

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raven, are you townreading me rn?
and if yes, is it largely cuz i'm different than lunacy?

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@tw i don't know if your assessment is, like, entirely wrong (wrt to, say, coexisting), but i also think you're ascribing scum motivation that doesn't, like, exist!

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@pooky
just re-stating: i have like no hesitance in saying skitter is probably the overall-best player active onsite rn, across both alignments. she's also not polarised (i.e. neither alignment is overwhelmingly better than the other, which is often the case for players at rand)

Aw thanks!

And ok ok i'll be Serious. I absolutely admit i was being kinda silly last night but i was having fun bickering over sweet nothings

Anyways, i think i've figured out where i'm going wrong in my townreads: the bugs slot. I think raven's entrance is indicative of scum!her. I think she's putting a lot of effort into showing that she townreads me and is willing to work with me ... cept i dont think that how she's approaching me makes much sense given her read on me based on what she's read up until those points. Like the actions (defending me, talking to me like she thinks i'm town) are stronger than i think they should be upon repping in, not having read the parts of the game yet that i'm really in, and thus having a stronger than seens reasonable tr on me

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react with what looks good

Oh i absolutely disagree that this is what i was trying to accomplish

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, i don't think anyone is excitedly jumping around it trying to push one of them through (unless you wanna argue i'm doing that, but eh...) which is sorta what i'd expect if they *were* TvT

Yeah ok. I shall Stop, i recognize i wasnt being super helpful.
But i finally found another scumread that i feel somewhat confidant about, so will vote there and see what happens

VOTE: raven

Pooky i'll get to ur posts when i'm at a pc in like two hours

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Just kinda acknowleding that you feel the gamestate is kinda messed up now

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I can understand that
Incidentally, it's not me, and i would support a duck wagon

Is there anything u wanna talk to me about on my end ?

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Would u care to vote there with me then?

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Is there any chance of scum!Datisi here? I’ve only played jk9++ with him so I don’t really know what that looks like

I'm not super vibing scum!dats rn, no

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come on, really?
i made it p clearly like 30 pages ago or whatever that i didn't think pushing you was going to go to an elim
but that i didn't know where to vote otherwise, so just stayed on you
and you've been complaining that i haven't been sorting people or developing other reads

you can't then shade me for sorting people and developing other reads. like it's kinda ridiculous to expect you can argue it both ways

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oh i scumread him super super strongly, i'm just not particularly interested in forcing it through to an elim rn

i think ur present tl on me is premature and stronger than it ought to be given what you've actually read of the game, and reminds me of how scum tend to slap townreads on me cuz it's often the easiest way to deal with me

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oh i scumread him super super strongly, i'm just not particularly interested in forcing it through to an elim rn

i think ur present tl on me is premature and stronger than it ought to be given what you've actually read of the game, and reminds me of how scum tend to slap townreads on me cuz it's often the easiest way to deal with me

I disagree that my read on you is stronger than it ought to be. I’ve played 5 games with you tops, two of them you were playing your scumgame as I’ve seen it. You can’t in good faith honestly sr me for that. What do you see as inconsistent with your play in those two games and my read on you here?

I also said that A) it was a bit of a townlean. It’s not super strong like say Koba who is like super town and B) duckling’s examples have made me realize that it was in fact premature but again, what tf else would you have me base my read of you on, if not for games I’ve actually played with you? Still don’t see how you’re seeing that as even remotely scummy.

i don't think our past history really has much to do with how i'm reading you here

the issue i'm taking is that you've admittedly read very little of this game, but are (were) talking to me like you think i'm town and i don't think you have the basis to make that determination yet, so it seems like you're coming in with an informed perspective

even if you're saying it's only a townlean, your other actions (defending me, talking to me like i'm town, trying to buddy me) make it seem like you're acting like it's stronger than that

i think there's a mismatch between your words and your actions

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oh i scumread him super super strongly, i'm just not particularly interested in forcing it through to an elim rn

can you talk a bit more about this?

i don't want to force it if there isn't popular support for it, it would make things Unpleasant i think

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that is fine, and makes sense!
if u would like to elaborate, feel free!

(i have like oog Thoughts on the efficacy and efficiency and fun-ness of forcing things through)

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I think skitter is saying it's disingenuous for you to only call it a townlean but defend her like you've locktowned her

+ that i don't think i should have been locktowned at that point either

and @dats @lilith that's fine. i don't really want to push it through, and i get that you see a scum!agenda there, but i don't think it's the right time yet.

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i think i'll have more support for it as time goes on

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dats what do u think of raven?

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also ss, what do u think of raven?

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i'm having raven/aldu thoughts currently

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Can you summarize your case on TW?
Also, can you elaborate on this more with quotes/examples?

at this point the case boils down to me thinking he's making up a reason to push me and that his reasoning is quite flimsy and disconnected
i shall elaborate this evening after work when i'm at a computer

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really????? what changed

well i think raven is scumy
as i try to drum up support there, aldu is suddenly willing to entertain tw (even though i've been talking about this for irl days at this point, and he's been hesitant), while being paranoid at me

liek all his posts on this page look like trying to position around a buddy who's under fire

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ehhhhhh previous page, sory

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skitt, assuming town!skit scum!duck world, what do you think are the odds (assuming we don't execute duck today) that he simply kills you tonight?

not super likely after creating this trajectory on me
no reason to force the 1v1 if he's just going to kill me imo

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as i try to drum up support there, aldu is suddenly willing to entertain tw (even though i've been talking about this for irl days at this point, and he's been hesitant), while being paranoid at me

liek all his posts on this page look like trying to position around a buddy who's under fire

aldu anything on this?

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i'd like a vc but i think i'm willing to vote aldu now

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- i think he has partner-equity with raven (i do prefer raven over aldu)
- i've been waiting for a while for like ~content~ which hasn't happened
- he feels like he's flailing rn
- his reads are Disappointing
- don't like his sudden turn onto tw

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sorry for contributing to that :/
i'm also kinda losing energy for this day1, it's been a bit long and exhausting

@aldu you're responding to things with a lot of LOL's and /s's which on some level feel like you're trying to not have to answer things seriously and are trying to find flippant ways to respond to things

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i don't now what the vc is but

intent to vote

just don't want to hammer just now

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i can vote aldu to like move things along but i would like to reiterate that i strongly believe raven to be scum

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great plan

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i hope you feel better soon!

and i still feel like ur initial tl on me was quite suspect, tbh

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i have independant reasons to sr both of you, and additionally i think that you have partner-y associatives, so i'm not sure what you're accusing me of there
furthermore i've elaborated on all of those things in the past few pages ^

and i don't know why tw *not* pushing me is town-indicative for him

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i am but i feel like it's lower priority rn

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Humour me, I want to hear more about these alleged “associatives” and how is that metacheck on me coming along?

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and again this isn't a meta-based read, it's based on what you've done this game, and i don't think the meta you're citing is relevant, so i'm not planning on checking it

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Also, it highlights the difference between you and Lillith who looks as though she’s genuinely trying to sort me.

isn't she agreeing with me that she thinks the things i'm calling out as scummy are scummy? i don't get it

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i mean are you trying to argue that i'm partnered with aldu? otherwise i don't know what you're trying to say in 2246

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well i think raven is scumy
as i try to drum up support there, aldu is suddenly willing to entertain tw (even though i've been talking about this for irl days at this point, and he's been hesitant), while being paranoid at me

liek all his posts on this page look like trying to position around a buddy who's under fire

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lilith can i ask u to vote raven plz

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because, again, it's based on your actions in this game, and how your read on me has shifted.

- started with a minor townlean despite admitting to not reading the game (scummy, irregardless of prior meta)
- talking to me like you think i'm town and defending me. i'm aware that you tend to defend townreads with tmi etc etc etc. that doesn't change the fact that your townread is basically unfounded and isn't backed up by anything. given that context, defending me is strange there. like the point isn't that you were defending me. the point is that you were defending me while you admitted that you didn't have enough context to actually develop a read of that strength on me.
- upon me calling you out on it, the townread vanishes

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i really don't understand what you're accusing me of here, so i can't exactly acquiesce with that request

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i mean ok.
VOTE: raven, for emphasis

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You are trying to push a mislynch on me because you can’t risk it with duckling. You can always later claim you misread me but you can’t do that with duckling.

you realize that if i were scum scared of pushing a mislynch on tw .... i just don't pick a fight with him?

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And you’re pushing me so that you can hopefully get a free mislynch through. Yes, that is exactly how it looks like because you have given no reason for sr me other than I initially tl’d you which I’ve already explained ad nauseum. You refuse to metacheck me which would prove that what I said to Lillith is true. You haven’t explained how me and Aldus are linked, only that you THINK this. Am I missing something?

- if i'm trying to get an easy mislynch why am i not voting aldu (this narrative would at least make sense if you're pushign me as partners with aldu, which you're declining to do)
- i think the reason i gave to sr you is p strong tbh. you haven't really refuted it either. the meta you're bringing up doesn't address the main points
- i gave reasons to explain the you/aldu thing. of course it comes down to what i think, that's how reads are formed. the fact that you're ignoring the reasons i gave doesn't mean taht i didn't adequately explain the associative

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it's ok, i have absolutely no idea what point raven is trying to make wrt lunacy either

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i feel p content to end the day on either of raven or aldu, but would vastly prefer raven

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ummm ?

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skitt, can you talk about what your read on bugspray was through the game?

Townie
Part of the read was cuz you werent scumreading him, and i wasnt thinking about it too much

Then raven repped in and i think she's actively scummy

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i am around
i don't really feel the need to respond to anything said about/to me recently
so i guess if anybody wants to talk to me about anything now lmk

i'm kinda content for the day to end on aldu at this point tbh

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I know people are gonna be like haha Alduscum is just distancing but if/when I flip green please keep a close eye on skitter. I think town would be concerned that they're being seen as a scumbuddy to one of their scumreads, but skitter knows I'll flip green so she's like "eh, doesn't matter."

oh boy, earlier i was getting flak for protesting the me/aldu associative that people were bandying about, and now i'm getting flak for *not* protesting the me/aldu assocative that people are bandying about

aldu, this doesn't even make sense given how i responded earlier to the me/you thing ?

and i still think raven is scum but i don't think that i have the support just now to push it thorugh, and i also think that you're scum, so i'm fine with ending it on you now

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I really wish you’d stop pushing him/me together, it isn’t helping me to tr you. Do you not see why this contradiction looks bad?

ok but you look aligned to me, and i think that the push on me/aldu is silly
i don't see a contradiction

tw i don't know what you're trying to say

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I have never pushed you and Aldus together. The contradiction is you finding that scummy but still doing that to me, when there has been 0 flips. That’s why I tr Lillith and Datisi and duckling over you specifically because of that because you pushing us together while still apparently sr duckling looks like chainsawing to me. I like you tonally but I don’t know if that should outweigh that. If you were in my position, would you honestly be tr you for that?

i didn't say you pushed me/aldu, but like 5 other people have
i think me/aldu is patently ridiculous, and i explained why at length
i also think that aldu's interactions with you are partner-y

it's not like i said 'all partner reads are scummy', so i'm kinda baffled that you're reading this as a contradiction

i don't think that aldu's read on me here really follows any sort of natural progression beyond 'welp a lot of people want to vote me and we're getting near end-of-day so let me manufacture a sr on someone who's under a lot of suspicion, who i'd been defending until she said she was willing to vote me to end the day'

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skitter, this just seems like you're settling for LHF (me).

if. i. wanted. a. lhf. wagon. i. could. have. voted. you. and. forced. your. wagon. through. like. 5. irl. days. ago.

like think about this. does that even make sense in context? if that was my goal don't you think that would have happened already ?

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i am feeling so Exasperated

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hi and raven's positioning on me on this page is sus as hell also ?

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@skitt what are your thoughts on duck now
like am i supposed to believe the whole you/duck thing was tvt

if i'm wrong on aldu/raven he's scum

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VOTE: aldu

whoooo

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e-1 and all that jazz ^

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i mean what he's accusing me of here is kinda silly, reachy, and doesn't make sense in context of what he was saying about me even like 2 irl days ago

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how did you go from 'town but paranoid' to 'welp she's scum let me vote her', exactly?

pedit htat doesn't even make sense either ???

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ok, so yeah, you don't actually have an explanation?

i've been under fire for days now, and i've been scumreading you since like thursday, so, like, try again ?

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go on

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i mean, i explained p clearly why i dropped the tw thing and went to raven, and then you, and it was largely cuz you had some p strong associatives with someone i was scumreading; you reacted to my raven push kinda exactly like i'd expect a partner to react

and calling that out is what prompted you to drop your townread of me, so from my pov it kinda looks like i was right

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Are you trying to get me to vote you? All I know is your posts are making my head hurt and I want it to stop. :/

you're p clearly ramping up towards that, yeah

and the people who are voting me (or are indicating they're about to) are incidentally the people i'm scumreading so like ...

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I think a me/Aldus partner read is insane and I really don’t understand why you think I should tr you here for deathtunnelling me, pushing me together with Aldus and refusing to vote duckling? I think it reads patently dishonest of you to mischaracterize this as an omgus. If you were only just voting me/had me in your PoE, weren’t pushing me together with Aldus when there - I’ll say this again - have been 0 freaking flips!. were not still hard sr duckling but refusing to vote him, no I 100% would not have voted you or even be considering it now but I hones don’t know why you think I should be tr you for any of this? Would you be honestly if the situations were reversed?

as soon as i called out a read on you, aldu's interactions with me changed:

he was willing to vote tw when that *had not* happened before, despite me pushing it forever, which basically read to me like he wanted to redirect me off of you and back onto tw?

the timing is incredibly suspect, no? he utterly refused tw but as soon as i said i was sus of you his townread on me magically strengthened and whe was willing to vote tw

like, from my pov, how ought i be reading that?

this is not omgus (i don't even know where omgus came into this ?)

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i realize that post does nothing but potentially give scum!skitter more ammo to completely obliterate me in a 1v1 in lylo

but that's okay, i live life on the edge

i'm not 1v1'ing you in lylo, i very likely don't make lylo

ok can you just tell me if you're planning on voting me or not?

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k

i would for obvious reasons vastly prefer if u stayed on aldu (and/or were willing to vote raven)

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No, you’d be very wrong about that. What I’d really really like is if you’re town to throw me some kind of bone, because you are giving me every reason rn to vote you and I honestly don’t know what to do. I definitely don’t want to mislynch you here but I know your read on me is wrong. I’m hesitating because i know I get pocketed way too easy and that’s seriously concerning me, that might be happening, because scum know what a super easy pocket I am. Like how did I not see Dunn’s claiming to invest me as not a blatant scumtell?

i mean i don't know what you want from me.
i'm not going to change my reads to assauge you or to make you feel better about me

i think you/aldu are partners
i think if you two aren't literally svs aldu is proabalby scum anyways
if it isn't aldu/raven i think there's a very strong chance tw is town

i tr everyone else i think

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I think skitter-scum might be so frustrated with Aldus-scum that she’s trying to get evicted before him so she won’t have to play much more of this game.

oh man am i frustrated

but:

- i'm not scum
- aldu is probably scum
- in a me/aldu universe the game doesn't look like this (lol)
- even if one of us gets bussed it's not me, as i'm p much always endgame scum in this scenario
- given taht i absolutely know better than to turn an aldu/me scumgame into this sort of shitshow i'm getting really, really annoyed that people keep pushing this, especially people who know better

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

I'm not really vibing with scumreads on Raven. Is there anything more to it than "her townread on skitter is too strong"?

dsj town
datisi town
skitter town but i'm paranoid
SS null
Raven/bugspray town because datisi says so
Pooky scum
lilith leaning town
duck pending skitter responding to my post above but I'm leaning toward scum? sorting who's scum in TW vs skitter is a pain tho.

i'm interested to see why skitter is considering a Raven/me team because that sounds like bullshit to me

really????? what changed

well i think raven is scumy
as i try to drum up support there, aldu is suddenly willing to entertain tw (even though i've been talking about this for irl days at this point, and he's been hesitant), while being paranoid at me

liek all his posts on this page look like trying to position around a buddy who's under fire

@lilith: I mean a lot of your slots' content was Koba vs DC which was just NAI toxic spam
SS has mostly just posted one-liners so not a lot there either
lilith, your posting seems like it comes from a town mindset but i'm not ~sure~ so it's just a town lean

@skitter: The timing is just coincidence. I was hesitant to scumread TW because I was focusing on catching up, then I was focusing on defending myself, and then I was going to iso TW but I ended up not doing that because his iso is long.

aldu/raven timing and associatives ^

[skitter30]

Because you don’t see why I wouldn’t be tr someone who’s deathtunnelling me, so you think Aldus’ switch on you somehow makes ME look independently scummy? I know you’re not actually saying this obviously but I don’t see why his behaviour - considering he’s - shall I say this for the gazillionth time, UNflipped - has jack to do with me.

no, i was independantly scumreading you, and then aldu's positioning around that makes me think he's aligned with you

the aldu scumread came after the you scumread, it's p clear, and is linked to the timing of him being willing to vote tw when i started pushing you

like the way you're framing it is wrong and it didn't actually happen the way you're insinuating in this post

[skitter30]

Well you don’t really plan on shitshows. They just tend to end up happening to you.

i plan everything as scum
this wouldn't have happened i abso-fucking-lutely guarantee you, as aldu would have been bussed like 5 irl days ago

[skitter30]

when did I say I'd be willing to vote TW

i was misremembered that bit, sorry. you didn't actually explicitly say in that section that you would vote there
but you were absolutely laying down the groudnwork to do so, which i believe i did quote

pedit indeed

[skitter30]

i mean if i were scum with him i would have,yeah

incidentally i'm not scum so bussing him is not something i can actually, like, do here

[skitter30]

really????? what changed

well i think raven is scumy
as i try to drum up support there, aldu is suddenly willing to entertain tw (even though i've been talking about this for irl days at this point, and he's been hesitant), while being paranoid at me

liek all his posts on this page look like trying to position around a buddy who's under fire

this is what the aldu/raven thing boils down to ^

[skitter30]

No, that f5 would be a mess what are you talking about?

[skitter30]

What is even remotely scummy about my posting style? Don’t you think if I was actually scum here, I would have already hammered? *smdh*.

not if you're scum with aldu ...

[skitter30]

i don't think you said anything out of line, lilith

[skitter30]

Whooo less than a day left

[skitter30]

hey that's what i was wondering

[skitter30]

sigh

[skitter30]

Skitter refusing to give a read on aldus for like 80 pages seems pretty stupid to do as a scumbuddy

indeed
kinda baffled that any of you think that this is how i'd try to distance, really
(hey lilith, do you remember city ????)

[skitter30]

Seriously I’m like against personally using meta because I think I just confbias myself into seeing whatever I’m looking for that proves my original reason for meta-diving

fair enough, but i think that you had a p good close-up view of how i interact with partners (ahem we had a massive 1v1 fight, remember?)

the thing with tw is that i don't really believe that he believes most of what he's saying

[skitter30]

See now that's a read i wont inherently object to, whereas i think me/aldu is patently super off base

[skitter30]

Skitter, have you at all addressed the paranoia about you/duck? (like, in a serious way?)

not really
can i, like, give a serious answer on this tom?
i promise i'll address it tom if we're both still alive and it's still an issue

[skitter30]

If it's going to come to you literally voting me out i'll elaborate first but i'm saying as strongly as i know how that it would be better tomorrow

[skitter30]

fuck it, i'm Tired

i've been trying to walk that line between 'scummy enough to not be n1'd' and 'townie enough to not be lynched', which is not super easy to do for me
and hoping that i can catch out scum along the way for being 'weird' for me, which is fun when i can manage it with this sort of pr (see: banner)

i've been softing for a while (and i would argue that the past few posts of mine are me basically jumping up and down and trying to tell you to back off) but have been trying to avoid outright claiming
(cuz, like, me being obv or conftown is great, but i also just die in that universe so like, so not sure how much is actually gained vs. me claiming tomorrow)
but eh

to spell it out: i'm saying that i'm a provably town pr

i currently think that all scum is in {tw, raven, aldu}.

for everyone saying that me/tw aren't tvt ... if i'm provably town, what does that make tw ?

[skitter30]

right, and assuming i can be confed overnight then how do you think tomorrow goes?
it's a lot less messy than forcing it through today

(like, i usually know what i'm doing ...)

[skitter30]

No, that f5 would be a mess what are you talking about?

how is that messier to solve than leaving us alive until f5?

like i can go through loads of posts that i didn't respond to and/or respondd to differently than i would have otherwise

i'm not in this f5 if i claim tomorrow, so didn't bother responding to this, etc ^

[skitter30]

it was like
self
3 consensus townies

2 people who are (imo) relatively contentious and difficult to read correctly but also prickly to fight

tiers of PoE

my first impression was that it felt safe, yes? like it took me a moment to reevaluate and realise the reason I was uncomfortable with it was because you aren't sorted & I don't feel like I should be high in people's reaslisrs yet.

i think this whole poe-based push on me is in remarkably bad faith regardless of how scummy i'm acting
i don't believe that tw truly thinks that scum-me decides that he's my best serious push of the game in this pl

UNVOTE: for a sec, even though this is inevitable

pedit yea

[skitter30]

like i'm not sure i have like a 100% lockread, but i was indicting that the read has not changed much upon ss repping in

town
town
town
town
not sold

is a really interesting way to describe the same read on the same amount of information.

also this? super bad faith and not a real thought

[skitter30]

her play this game isn't approaching from a solving perspective. she's more focused with occupying the thread & looking like she has real good great opinions than with pushing slots who are actually readable.

her push on me felt awkward & at a time when I don't think town!skitter actually scumreads me but was also like very strikingly a point where the POE pool was starting to shrink to an unmanageable state.

since I called this out skitter has been more interested in winning this conversation & like ~coexisting~ with other slots than sorting and I'm pretty sure it's coming from a perspective of not being confident about how to steer a gamestate where it's very hard to get mis-elims on most players (save like, at the time she could have gone for dsj but I think dsj WAS lhf and is getting progressively townier)

this bit was actually fair ^
and the one thing that made me think that his read might be genuine
cuz i was kinda playing this way

but the rest of it is a load of baloney so it's kinda a wash

[skitter30]

i'm kinda nervous now that if i die our favorite duck sweet-talks y'all and that doesn't end up happening

[skitter30]

i'm kinda nervous now that if i die our favorite duck sweet-talks y'all and that doesn't end up happening

g'night dats

[skitter30]

honestly, i don't know. you guys were saying it wasn't tvt so i'm just leveraging that to get what i want knowing i can provide the t

i just think he isn't town cuz his progression on me is awful, and that there would have been more ~oomph~ to the read if he thought i was scum and needed to vote me out. he's not hitting as hard as he could either, if that makes sense

also if we're tvt, i think there could have been a bona fide wagon on at least one of us?

[skitter30]

also i'm a little dubious of pooky's generic pr claim, just, like btw

[skitter30]

i thought the 'theme' of the gimmick was 'things that are provable', which is also partially why i bought the dayvig claim, cuz it fit with mine + i was working off the assumption that the mask role was provable as vt/vanilla

[skitter30]

ya that too
like if i'm wrong and he's town ... why was it so hard for me to wagon him ?
i still think that the timing of aldu being willing to entertain tw was quite suspect

pedit i don't know if htere is but it makes sense in my head lol
like i'm provable
you're via setup provable vanilla
so dayvig kinda like ~fit~ that

[skitter30]

yeah fair i'm just trying to kinda making sure all of my ('real') thoughts are out there

[skitter30]

it made sense in my head, ok !
lol

[skitter30]

yeah that's why i suddenly dropped duck and was pushing aldu/raven (which i got flak for, remember?)
it was a bizarre af read/progression and there's something fishy there

[skitter30]

if tw is scum idk who it's with but i scumread him the most
and if alud is scum it's with raven

i think that summarizes my reads as well as i can ^

[skitter30]

yeah the emotional bits aren't ai, and might even be townie, and i would say are characteristic of her
(i do admit to having a few second thoughts there cuz of the emotional bits, which i'm trying to ignore cuz i'm susceptible to townreading that)

i still think her early-game progression on me was Not Great

[skitter30]

*early-rep-in

[skitter30]

I'm probably townreading it but it also distinctly reminds me of myself in jk9++ and even if I'm townreading it, I like, don't want to be townreading it on principle

Raven?

[skitter30]

Didja read the last like two pages?

[skitter30]

fuck it, i'm Tired

i've been trying to walk that line between 'scummy enough to not be n1'd' and 'townie enough to not be lynched', which is not super easy to do for me
and hoping that i can catch out scum along the way for being 'weird' for me, which is fun when i can manage it with this sort of pr (see: banner)

i've been softing for a while (and i would argue that the past few posts of mine are me basically jumping up and down and trying to tell you to back off) but have been trying to avoid outright claiming
(cuz, like, me being obv or conftown is great, but i also just die in that universe so like, so not sure how much is actually gained vs. me claiming tomorrow)
but eh

to spell it out: i'm saying that i'm a provably town pr

i currently think that all scum is in {tw, raven, aldu}.

for everyone saying that me/tw aren't tvt ... if i'm provably town, what does that make tw ?

I really want this day to be over too but this happened anyways ^

[skitter30]

Yeah, was expecting that if u were scum sooooo

[skitter30]

You or aldu or raven. Kinda feel like i've made thst abundantly clear

[skitter30]

To get it explicitly: does that change how you're reading me y/n

[skitter30]

K
^ vote him out tom if i'm dead

[skitter30]

If y'all dont and i'm watching this from the grave i will be super super disappointed

[skitter30]

VOTE: tw

For like emphasis

[skitter30]

Maybe one day we'll have an awesome tvt or svs game, this is sad and dsiappointing

[skitter30]

If y'all dont and i'm watching this from the grave i will be super super disappointed

@lilith, @dats just want to make this abundantly clear

[skitter30]

and now you're claiming scum

:/

[skitter30]

how many more votes does Aldus need? I need him dead atp

I want lilith and dats to acknowledge the above and then i'm fine ending the day

[skitter30]

if you had a humanoid avi I'd ms paint you trying to cram datisi and Lilith in your pockets

That would be p awesome, nonetheless

[skitter30]

and on my end i don't think town!tw doubles down there

[skitter30]

provably town
^

[skitter30]

me probably, but i think it's patently false and this should be reminding him of jazz mafia, not my scumgame

[skitter30]

indeed

[skitter30]

just want lilith to acknowledge my dying wishes and i'll hammer

[skitter30]

Skitter I’m acknowledging

I wanted SS to check in again before the day ends

k

[skitter30]

i'm ready for hammer like whenever

[skitter30]

skitter if your role is not capable of confirming you tomorrow, now might be a good time to say so.

well, it should be overnight
and to at least some people
can't guarantee that scum won't interfere but i'll do my part

[skitter30]

k
VOTE: aldu

everyone enjoy the well-deserved night
man

[skitter30]

VOTE: tw same

[skitter30]

it woudl indeed

[skitter30]

:/

[skitter30]

Dats?

VOTE: tw

[skitter30]

more important discussion: good morning skitter30.

Morning!

[skitter30]

i was visited by a friendly neighbour last night. skitter is aligned with the town.

wasn't sure if you wanted it out immediately.

Yeah i basically all but claimed yesterday and had a mini freak-out when there wasnt anything in ur entrance indicating you got it

Was worrried i got roleblocked cuz that would have been a freakin' mess

[skitter30]

I think hardclaiming fn/target on D2 is a fairly bad strategy for you as scumbuddies and I also think you are very towny. Eod1 I suppose I was hoping skits would be confirmable to save myself a lot of stress but I also didn't actually believe she would be. lol.

:/

[skitter30]

I mean what did u think i was doing eod yesterday if i was scum ?

[skitter30]

Yeah fair i maybe should have let it be for a bit more to let everyome show up
If i wasnt dying lilith was. You never were in that gamestate so i've been planning on sending it to u since she became obvtown so that an inconvenient death wouldnt mess with things
I couldnt control an rb but that i could work around since just about everyone was tr'ing you

[skitter30]

Yeah fair i maybe should have let it be for a bit more to let everyome show up
If i wasnt dying lilith was. You never were in that gamestate so i've been planning on sending it to u since she became obvtown so that an inconvenient death wouldnt mess with things
I couldnt control an rb but that i could work around since just about everyone was tr'ing you

[skitter30]

I mean what did u think i was doing eod yesterday if i was scum ?

I straight up had no idea what you were doing eod1, that's incidental to the fact I didn't believe you

I dont get it

[skitter30]

I guess there's just so many things that you're saying that i dont think town!you would think :/

- like i dont think my eod yesterday is something i would ever do as scum, and i'm not sure why it was furthering yout narrative of scum!me

- and like you jusf admitted that you didnt think dats was scum so seriously considering ne/dats (even for a second) is just !?

[skitter30]

K
I'm not gonna drop this just cuz u won't engage with me
(Like, i was rly interested in ur re-entrance and it did absolutely nothing to change my mind)

[skitter30]

Dats can i interest u in voting tw?

[skitter30]

Why :/

[skitter30]

He has exactly one vote on him tho ?