Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I dont love pooky encouraging ss to lolhammer aldu

do you think aldus is scum?

do you think I think aldus is scum?

also glad to see the game has taken a turn for the positive

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I dont love pooky encouraging ss to lolhammer aldu

do you think aldus is scum?

do you think I think aldus is scum?

also glad to see the game has taken a turn for the positive

I'm not sure if aldu is scum, i think you think he is, yes

Ok so if you think I think aldus is scum - why wouldn't I encourage the quickhammah to get us a point on the board?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not trying to offend you sorry

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I'm gonna hammer him, I'd rather it be an informed decision.

Information is highly overrated. I find I make my best decisions when I don't do much thought.

are you me?

nah I tend to over-think things and it bites me in the ass a lot of times - I wish I could get to your level of no-thought - would make games much more enjoyable.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also would like updated readslists from everyone who isn’t duck/datisi please

SS(Replacing Koba) Town
Datisi Town

Dsj TownLean
TW TownLean

Skitter Null
bugspray Null


lilith(replacing micro mask) scumlean

aldus scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I didn't like how DonC approached this game - for reference I just finished a game "Coalition Mafia" with DonC in which he was this super pumped up shining radiant townie dude who was very hype and eager to win - then this game his approach felt completely different. Could be because of game settings - could be because he just hated Koba, but either way it felt pretty off.

anyway I explain the scumread in these posts: 677 678 681

also I didn't like DonC reaction to the fake-Dayvig which I explain in:

1223 1339

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I dont love pooky encouraging ss to lolhammer aldu

do you think aldus is scum?

do you think I think aldus is scum?

also glad to see the game has taken a turn for the positive

I'm not sure if aldu is scum, i think you think he is, yes

maybe scum: pooky, tw

These two statements are inconsistent - how can you think that I think Aldus is scum if you think I'm scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

okay I'll go reread these. any thoughts on me in the slot?

you're doing a lot better than DonC for sure

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because I didn't like DC's reaction to Aldus paranoia BS

like your reaction is the one that makes sense - DC's was "Hey this guy must be town cuz he's paranoid over me wearing a mask"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you explain the pooky read?

dats push was in bad faith and felt like he was more worried about being right/winning the argument than determining if dats was scum
dislike trying to end the day last night

I never pushed dats

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you explain the pooky read?

dats push was in bad faith and felt like he was more worried about being right/winning the argument than determining if dats was scum
dislike trying to end the day last night

I never pushed dats

Uhhhh you were calling him scum for quite a long while so

I never called him scum. I said if he was scum this would make him look bad or something like that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think drawing the difference between faking a read on me to get out of RVS to look good & faking a scumread here is actually pertinent to your meta?

OK i'm going to respond to all of your posts with basically this point ^

I think that this is incredibly pertinent to my meta. I wouldn't pick a fight (that I might need to carry through to an elim) with someone that I was in any way worried I would lose to. Scum!me is actually ... slightly scared of town!you. I would not try to push you to an elim. I would try to pocket or like circle-around but I would not make a serious push on you.

There are many, many other people in this pl that I'm very confident scum!me could push to an elim in this gamestate. I would not have made my first serious push on the game on you

In mbos it was not a serious push, it was the sort of push that would have 'naturally developed' a bit but would have ultimately ended up as a townread because it is not in my best interest to be at odds with town!you when i'm scum.

In my internal ranking of who would make a good push as scum, town you is very, very, very down on the totem pole.

(TM was a massive exception, not the rule at all)

I find this post very susp because it shows you've thought quite a bit about who you would push miselim on in this PL.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well maybe not quite a bit but its just a wierd thought to have if you are town trying to find scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

now i'm thinking if "i'm fine being killed day 1 if that means yall get datisi day 2" contradicts him being a PR

now i wanna vote there again lmao

i said that because i wanted you to back off so i wouldnt have to reveal i am a power role. it also makes mafia think i am townie.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my internet is dead so i can only play from my phone due to the storm. will be on lower activity.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hes trying to distance from his scumbuddy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ye, i was expecting something like that too.

pooky, were you "at least implyng" i'm scum in any of the quotes aldus quoted in 1807

i never voted you

i never made a case for you being scum

every comment was in response to you attacking me because I needed you to back off and none of them state that you are scum.

I never said you were attacking me because you were scum pushing for a miselim - I was quite clear why I believed you were attacking me. one of the conditions of my angry rant about your motivations is that you have to be town to be doing this since you were doing it to impress your buddies - its not exactly impressive to get me mislynched if you are scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lilith your slot ain't cleared nor were people acting like it was cleared lol

this is p scummy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hes trying to distance from his scumbuddy.

hey let me do my thing ok

are you scumreading both of them seriously? like do you think that's the team?

they r my top 2 rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I like fantasizing about crazy mafia plays like this tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

is this another scumslip? mafia plays?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lilith your slot ain't cleared nor were people acting like it was cleared lol

this is p scummy

y tho

seems like you are trying to keep the number of consensus townreads lower in order to expand your survival window but you don't produce any reason to sus her.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

aldu's sudden paranoia of me, and pooky thinking we're teamed

my sus of you doesn't have that much to do with aldus. has to do more with your interaction with tw.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

your interaction with tw felt more careful than natural. its mostly a feeling i get when reading your posting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

aldus opening post about me is a joke reference to coalition

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i also do want pooky to elaborate on why he thinks me/aldu associatives would look like this given how coalition went down

i think there's scum in the people pushing/leaning into this narrative
and i may or may not have been playing it up a bit to see what how the narrative around that associative would develop

I have already stated this previously - my scumlean on you is currently based not on any associative reads with aldus but based on my feeling about your interaction with tw - I don't feel strongly about it enough to push you based on it - I feel much better about my push on Aldus - I think he is being dishonest about his motivations for mentioning the mask thing.

Regarding what you said about Aldus scumrange - I believe this is well within his scumrange since I just played a game as his scumbuddy - there was a similar time in coalition when he had a writers block of sorts as he couldnt get into the coalition and I was being filtered out post Koba replacement that feels somewhat similar to his play here where he is somewhat unable to get into the flow of the game except to make some shitposts with his buddy Datisi.

As for his association with you - I think its strange that you are worried about scumAldus framing you as a partner but you are not voting him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its just a feeling - I won't be seriously pushing you unless I have a more fleshed out case. I prefer aldus eviction much more.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

man that universe would be fun, but alas

are you sad that your partner isn't duck?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea duck looks like a fun scumpartner for sure.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

indeed! and i'm going to like Shut This Down and Will Not Be Eliminated today as i think like 6/9 of the current pl is intimately familiar with my scumgame and should be able to tell this isn't it
(including yourself! cept you're a scumduck who's pushing me anyways, which is a Sad but Noble pursuit that will ultimately be unfulfilling)

this is my first game with you but considering the vast amounts of praise DonC had for your scum-game, I'm going to assume that you are some kind of scum-goddess who can can meta-wifom and come up with all sorts of "I wouldn't do this because of ____" and as a result I wouldn't really give you any towncredit for it. It's much easier to towncred a weaker player for slips but I don't see how they would apply to you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like when I was talking to you earlier about how I thought you were probably definitely town and you started telling me about how all these reasons didn't apply - it felt like that scene from Jungle Book where Mowgli is talking to Kaa.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@pooky
just re-stating: i have like no hesitance in saying skitter is probably the overall-best player active onsite rn, across both alignments. she's also not polarised (i.e. neither alignment is overwhelmingly better than the other, which is often the case for players at rand)

yea I kind of got that feeling from the massive amounts of reverence DonC was throwing at her feet when he was spazzing hate at Koba.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@skitter Is aldus your second-most-likely-scum?

i guess by poe, yes

starting to feel like there might be scum in the townreads tho cuz everyone having hte same like 3-person poe is starting to feel a bit Not Right

ok can we talk more about aldu's sudden paranoia on me tho, once people started talking about aldu/me being a thing (and he became aware of it)

from my pov knowing that i'm town it kinda seems like he's trying to play up that association suddenly

These two posts ping me for the following reasons-

It feels like skitter is very resigned to the aldus-read as her 2nd-most-likely-scum - and she is not happy to lynch aldus - this is strange because I think if you don't have traction for your #1 target, you should be at least ok with your number 2 target being lynched. Instead she seems low-key disappointed for some reason and is trying to expand the scum-pool.

What it feels like to me is that Skitter is not happy with Aldus's play so far in this game, and she is also not happy with how fast and quickly the scumpool has shrunk - mostly through fairly cringy emo arguments over random bullshit. Her push on TW feels like she needs TW as a possibility rather than she actually believes TW is scum.

Secondly her post 139 doesn't make sense for the following reason: she seems worried about the associative with Aldus - as in she's worried that if he flips scum people will push her next - this doesn't make a lot of sense to me because:

1) Normal town reaction to D1 scum lynch should be excitement - not worried that you will get somehow tied to him.
2) If she is actually believes that Scum-Aldus is trying to bring her down with him - she should be enthusiastically pushing for his eviction since she thinks he's scum - not trying to push TW. \

If you read her posts in the last several pages - it feels she's more concerned about self-preservation post an aldus- scumflip than whether aldus is scum in the first place - it almost feels like she already knows we will evict aldus and he will flip scum and some of her frustration with his play is starting to feel evident.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok now that I thought about it some more, here's why I don't like this post:

@skitter Is aldus your second-most-likely-scum?

i guess by poe, yes

starting to feel like there might be scum in the townreads tho cuz everyone having hte same like 3-person poe is starting to feel a bit Not Right

Her principal reaction is to the POE - it's not to the case against aldus, it's not a read of his play so far, it's not saying whether he's scum or not - she's focussing on the POE rather than the player alignment/read which makes me think her thoughts are not about whether Aldus is going to flip scum or town, but how she plays the game post an Aldus flip and that's not a natural town thought to have.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm working on aldu
(partially while talking to you, like as i'm talking i'm kinda like refining what i'm thinking about it)

i think the most concerning thing about him to me rn is whether or not he's trying to tie me to scum!him
i don't know if i can get a further sense of clarity here without talking to him and getting him to elaborate why that thought occured to him at that point

like I don't get this post - why is the most concerning thing to her whether Aldus is trying to tie in to her? Shouldn't the most important thing be whether Aldus is scum or town?

I feel too many of her posts in the last few pages have focussed on self-preservation rather than scum-hunting or game solving and it doesn't make sense because she's not really under threat at the moment. it feels like she is preparing for a day 2 where aldus has flipped scum and we are moving on to her rather than a day 1 where we are trying to figure out if aldus is scum or not.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm kind of confused why you are defending skitter as not a good execute today when she's nowhere close to being ex'd? I'm still very much in favor of axing aldus first.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if aldus flips red she is probly toast tommorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I guess I can see why you would want her gone today first as you think she is much more of a threat than aldus

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't think the gamestate is messed up, i think there's scum in you/duck, and it Fucking Scares Me

dont worry datisi

i will take care of you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

huh. truth be told i tuned him out completely, after seeing yesterday night he's keeping up his bullshit potshots of aldus "being my buddy", i've been barey reading his posts because nothing good comes out of it.

probably scratch the second point. i still feel uneasy about the first one.

how is it a bullshit potshot

is aldus not your friend?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm obvtown because if i were scum i'd be tryharding /s

from playing as your scumpartner i can pretty much say you do not try-hard as scum lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I totally went try-hard in coalition tho

did you see that wall I was making to convince wug to vote D&D in the 3p lylo until wug just insta-voted them and I then I just stopped in the middle of writing the wall and took the win? lol

lol you had the same number of posts in coalition as Datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

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like

aldus is my friend obviously

but if you keep implying "oh datisi and aldus are friends and they join games together where they don't care about alignments and just bully-lynch because of past games" that is getting on my nerves and i'm asking you to stop

when's the last time I said that ? I feel like i've moved on to a different topic a while ago.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is a dumb argument

my original post was sarcastic anyway, hence the /s

so you do slack as scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

probably have, but the "aldus shitposting with his buddy datisi" doesn't strike me much confidence

that's because Aldus prefers shitposting with you to actually solving the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think datisi knows in his heart his buddy aldus is scum but he likes him too much to vote him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which lowkey is super cute I wished somebody loved me that much

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

okay seriously can you fucking stop with that?

If you believe that players aren't playing to wincon due to personal relationships outside the game, then you should report them.

I don't think it's that big of a deal, why wouldn't people have personal biases in an interactive social game? I don't take the game seriously enough to care enough to report people.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well i was only upset about it when they were trying to get me lynched.

now I just think it's cute.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

should I read this lunacy thing

i really find it hard to follow what you are all saying about that game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will get to the nice part of datisi's pyramid come hell or high water

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are doing better

you'll love me more after aldus flips red

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is the kind of wholesome friday night entertainment that warms the heart.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what's antispewing?

reducing content level so that you don't look like scum with your scumbuddy

so basically what alduscum has been doing all game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think this has been pointed out before but thought it would be funny to bring it up again as I was doing a re-read of all of skitter's posts mentioning Aldus:


Aldus on TW voting Skitter:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12017821

Aldus on Koba calling out Aldus/Pooky ScumTeam in Coalition:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11954088


V Spicy =]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I reread skitter iso with just the posts regarding aldus

every post on the first page of skitter's ISO regarding aldus seems pretty noncommital with an idk - she makes an excuse for him being absent during the toxicity which is kind of strange since I don't think the toxicity made him any less comfortable and he's been similarly absent after the toxicity was removed.

2nd page of skitter ISO she feels like she really does not want to evict aldus but also seems wary of people trying to tie her to aldus - this doesn't make a ton of sense to me -

It wouldn't be worrisome for skitter to be tied to aldus unless aldus flips red.

So it follows that if skitter is worried that she's being set up - she would have to believe aldus will flip red in the first place.

However she seems to be quite active in wanting Aldus not flipped despite being quite concomitant on her read of him.

There are some meta arguments she makes about how if aldus/her are scum together they would not play this way in 1916 and 1921 that feel kind of weird to me because it seems premature for her to be saying she/aldus are not partners together when we don't yet know for sure that Aldus is flipping red to begin with.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I reread skitter iso with just the posts regarding aldus

every post on the first page of skitter's ISO regarding aldus seems pretty noncommital with an idk - she makes an excuse for him being absent during the toxicity which is kind of strange since I don't think the toxicity made him any less comfortable and he's been similarly absent after the toxicity was removed.

2nd page of skitter ISO she feels like she really does not want to evict aldus but also seems wary of people trying to tie her to aldus - this doesn't make a ton of sense to me -

It wouldn't be worrisome for skitter to be tied to aldus unless aldus flips red.

So it follows that if skitter is worried that she's being set up - she would have to believe aldus will flip red in the first place.

However she seems to be quite active in wanting Aldus not flipped despite being quite concomitant on her read of him.

There are some meta arguments she makes about how if aldus/her are scum together they would not play this way in 1916 and 1921 that feel kind of weird to me because it seems premature for her to be saying she/aldus are not partners together when we don't yet know for sure that Aldus is flipping red to begin with.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@pooky, i made that point earlier wrt aldus's "similar reactions" but i connected it with duck, so now i think it's just a way of speaking rather than a Super Secret 100% Partnertell

well nothing is 100% but it'd be hilarious if it was right. anyway i think the spicy take is about Skitter not about Duck, Duck would be in the Koba role from coalition ~.~.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh I was talking about your "spicy take" comment

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I thought you had him as a scumlean, thanks for clarifying then. My only hesitation with Skitter is would she deliberately act this scummy right next to deadline or could she possibly be faking me out and baiting me? Her play here is so super weird I can’t make sense of it. But then she apparently has quite a large scumrange. I dunno. You keep sounding better and she keeps sounding worse but that seriously confuses me. *sigh*.

@Lillith, @Datisi, @duckling, @Pooky, what do you guys all think?

I think skitter-scum might be so frustrated with Aldus-scum that she’s trying to get evicted before him so she won’t have to play much more of this game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if i had to lock in a coalition right now i think it would be dats/lilith/s_s/raven/dsjstr

i wonder if that's a winning coalition

probably not

I am legit sad you still don’t trust me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think skitter-scum might be so frustrated with Aldus-scum that she’s trying to get evicted before him so she won’t have to play much more of this game.

oh man am i frustrated

but:

- i'm not scum
- aldu is probably scum
- in a me/aldu universe the game doesn't look like this (lol)
- even if one of us gets bussed it's not me, as i'm p much always endgame scum in this scenario
- given taht i absolutely know better than to turn an aldu/me scumgame into this sort of shitshow i'm getting really, really annoyed that people keep pushing this, especially people who know better

Well you don’t really plan on shitshows. They just tend to end up happening to you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky what the fuck

Cmon it’d be hilarious if this is the right read on the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but if/when I flip green

Lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well you don’t really plan on shitshows. They just tend to end up happening to you.

i plan everything as scum
this wouldn't have happened i abso-fucking-lutely guarantee you, as aldu would have been bussed like 5 irl days ago

I agree you should’ve bussed him much earlier.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

"if" because i might not flip at all

Ok

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

friendly reminder: what ever tbg is probably towbn.

I understood this

Are we all getting drunk tonite?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the solve is actually... skitter/theworst... can't you all see...

i wonder how long can i shitpost like this while everyone else around me is trying to solve before someone tells me to go fuck myself

Dats if Aldus flips red can I get on your coalition?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you dare ask me
after micro 952
if you scumreading aldus who then flips scum means i'll townread you

What will it take?!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It’s cuz I’m pretty sure we win this if u flip red.

Convincing dats to trust me is my stretch goal.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I gotta reread a ton

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I gotta reread a ton

please hold pooky to this

If I’m wrong about you buddy, I will super try hard make it up to u tomm if I’m alive.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you and skitter r both green we're in lylo on d3 tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

110 page day 1

top tier memes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If nobody else claims a PR then we r the three PRs in this game - last YoM had 3 TPRs and a Miller vs 2 scum in a 9 man

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=79998

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'll do a full re-read tonight and re-sort my thoughts when I have time.

real bummer on missing on Aldus

My bad friendo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

eh, not really. last game had a Seer, which can only find werewolves, not mafia. it was basically a named townie/visitor.

yes but it thought it was a TPR and one of us could also think we r a TPR but actually have a useless ability

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'd be happy to mass-claim if someone else claims TPR cuz then that would be too many - 3 I think is a decent number

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

aldus is a vanilla townie

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I am a vigilante who might be shooting blanks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

from this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83068


So I'm either 50% town vig and 50% town useless.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i haven't tried to shoot anyone

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i think if any of the 4 non-TPRs wants to claim TPR they should do it in the next 24 hours. I will re-read and put out a strategy/solve after this time has passed - if nobody counterclaims TPR I'm going to assume the other 4 r claiming vanilla.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm enomis

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i'm kinda confused why pooky didn't shoot when he seemed so excited about his role back in early day 1 when he thought i was gonna hammer him...

well aldus flipping town kind of threw a wrench in my confidence

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I wasn't gonna be responsible for 2 town deaths to start off the game - I wouldn't be able to live that down :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think we only have 2 TPRs in the game?

bodyguard + FN is pretty weak for a 9P

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: pooky

don't buy it. he knew he was gonna be in PoE after aldus townflip, but decided not to shoot and confirm himself because fElT bAd? sure.

uh if i shot you and you died and flip town and skitter doesn't get confirm'ed we'd be even more f'd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

enomis was a blank vig. I'd be surprised if Micc didn't clarify that Pooky was a blank vig, because they certainly are.

I don't have a clarification on what type of vig I am.

I assumed it would be a coin flip

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: pooky

don't buy it. he knew he was gonna be in PoE after aldus townflip, but decided not to shoot and confirm himself because fElT bAd? sure.

uh if i shot you and you died and flip town and skitter doesn't get confirm'ed we'd be even more f'd

but you were townreading me so you wouldn't shoot me

my scumread was aldus/skitter and skitter said she was a confirmable TPR so why would I change tack and shoot somebody I'm townreading at that point? I don't have any reason to shoot on N1 when I can shoot on N2.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes but skitter/aldus were my scumreads at EOD so it didn't make sense for me to vig someone else.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think there's any reason to push duck - bodyguard is a strong PR with a FN because BG can just guard FN every night - it's almost as strong as 2 conf-town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don’t understand why vig!Pooky is so confident he gets the chance N2.

I'm not confident - but if I shoot on N1 and hit town and scum kill me, then town is at lylo on D2 and I'm not going to do that to you guys when I messed up on D1 already.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

N2 I get input from the town and post-mass claim I have a better idea of who to shoot.

I was hoping to use it more as a way to win in endgame vs scum if I had been able to keep myself hidden

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if we r at 5p lylo - 2 scum jump on and lynch someone - I kill a scum they kill a townie, then endgame 1v1 I draw the game or something like that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

honestly I think the only value my role can play now is that if you guys accept me as town - scum will have to use a NK on me as I will draw vs scum in a 1v1 endgame but that would require you guys to actually believe me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you all accept that I have to be town - scum have to NK me because they can't let me get to 3p lylo because even if we miss there, I would shoot the last scum in the endgame

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so the way I see this playing out is worst protects skitter every night - basically will keep both of them alive - unless scum kill twice there and we try to sort the scum out from the VTs.

If tw is scum( I think this is unlikely) then they won't be able to kill skitter so we'd effectively be forcing scum to kill either me or in the VT pool.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think if the entire town accepts me as conf-town the scum would be forced to shoot me in order to have a chance of winning so we should be good

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unless scum think I can't shoot in which case I guess they just treat me as another townie but I don't think they take the risk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

funnily enough, seeing pooky's scumplay in coalition is what made/makes me scumread him

i knew that was why you scumread me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky, Micc is claiming you not being sure whether you are a blank vig or a real one as bastard and therefore false. I don’t understand why town!you lies about this?

After reread, I’m spiritually voting this.

yea i messed this up for the town so i probably hang for this - oops my bad guys.

I'm not a vigilante, I'm actually a bomb from that game. I wanted to try to get the mafia to shoot me cuz then one of them would die with me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

specifically I'm Kilgamayan - I was hoping to get the scum to shoot me at night but it doesn't work with a mass-claim so I tried to go with a vig from that game to draw a NK instead.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i said I was fine with mass claiming if someone else claimed TPR as then the TPR count would be 4 and one of us would be lying since 4 TPRs is too much for this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

specifically I'm Kilgamayan - I was hoping to get the scum to shoot me at night but it doesn't work with a mass-claim so I tried to go with a vig from that game to draw a NK instead.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if someone shoots me at night I kill them too

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm actually really good at fake-claiming as scum

I only have shitty blowups when fake-claiming as town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

specifically I'm Kilgamayan - I was hoping to get the scum to shoot me at night but it doesn't work with a mass-claim so I tried to go with a vig from that game to draw a NK instead.

Do u think u were playing in a wsy that would prompt scum to nk you?

well I was trying to behave as townily as possible and I said I had a cool PR so yea I was kinda hoping I'd get shot at night. Would've worked too if aldus had just flipped scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Not sure ur reaction to the dayvig thing is congruent with being a bomb

I have no reason not to play along with the day-vig in the unlikely event we do get AI material out of DC

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game is gonna be the end of me

the end for you is when I flip green lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky didja actually think you'd die tonight over me and tw?

i thought I had to claim something juicy enough to motivate the scum to shoot me at some point in this game because otherwise I have no shot of getting NK'd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no you still have a chance tommorrow.

I believe in skitter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its 5p lylo tomm if you mis-exec me today no? and with TW BGing Skitter, Skitter is definitely going to wake up alive tomm?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well you are like conf town with like a 70% town win rate and according to big-ego DonC like the greatest mafia player ever so who else would I put my hopes and dreams on

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

p shit right now

ill post more when i get on a computer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm struggling with whether Datisi's vehement insistence that I'm scum is town or scum AI because it's strange coming from either side -

Scum should know that I will flip green so it's weird to push that hard on me - however his complete lack of doubt is strange coming from a town uninformed POV - so I can see him doing this as a townie being driven by coalition -

if Datisi is town that would mean D1 wagon on me of Datisi/Aldus/Miccro Mask was all townies - I remember SS/Raven jumping on the wagon at various points and almost eliminating me and both players are very solid as read town across the entire town - for this meta to make sense it would mean the scum were sitting on the sidelines laughing as I got run up and were hoping the town would just hang me without them getting involved.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if dsj is town in this game we are really screwed because it would mean the 2 most lynchbaity players left r town-side

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i was talking about your predecessor koba during the wagon on D1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba and bugspray both voted me during that time frame but koba unvoted before bugspray hammered afair

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tbh my plan was basically lynch aldus-scum and then blow up the last scumbag when he comes to kill me at night but it did not work so now I'm kinda lowkey depressed -.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have a pretty decent role and I will claim it if I have to but I’d rather not let scum know what it is.

I don't think this was that bad of a description tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the problem with claiming cop is that I would have to claim results and it auto-draws protection coverage

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i also would have to claim which game the cop is from and if someone else is from that game it really messes things up

I was hoping the "cool mysterious power role" would get scum to NK me if I was widely enough TR'd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rooroo in 903.

VT

I've been reading everyone's role and setups and rooroo in 903 was a vanilla townie but the vanilla townie in that game won if the mafia controlled 50% of the town.

@Micc - if you included a vanilla townie from a reverse nightless game into this game - would the vanilla townie retain the original win condition from 903 where they win if the mafia control 50% of the town or would it be changed to a normal vanilla townie role?

Specifically the VT in this post:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81405

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the point of that post is to try to get the mafia to kill me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the post you're quoting not the original post

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its shitty cuz I know I'm wrong about something and I dunno what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cool thanks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Datisi

Have you ever been super confident that a player is scum and you super hard push for their exec but they turn out to be town? Would like a game link to read what that looks like from Town-Datisi thanks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just copy paste the URL?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that setup is not really what I'm looking for - I was thinking more of a normalish setup like this one.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Datisi

Have you ever been super confident that a player is scum and you super hard push for their exec but they turn out to be town? Would like a game link to read what that looks like from Town-Datisi thanks

i don't do that unless i'm super confident in my reads, which rarely happens. i cam show you a game of me absolutely mad tunneling a scum. not sure if i have a game of town!me mad tunnelling a townie.

but would it ever change your mind anyway

Well I am really having a hard time with how tunnelled you are on me and I would like some precedent for you doing it as town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't do that unless i'm super confident in my reads, which rarely happens.

well you've already admitted your read on me this game is due to coalition which is what I suspected in the beginning to begin with.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

btw yeah, i am aware the post i quoted is not the original post, this was

I'm perfectly fine with being evicted D1 to make you look bad D2.

i just found it interesting how this post was made, then after claiming Super Cool PR this post was apparently made in order to make scum think he's a VT so they wouldn't kill him and he could use his Cool PR. but apparently

the post claiming that

was made to make him nightkill bait. okay.

yea that post was just me being angry at you for being so tunnelled - I made up the explanation afterwards to bait a NK.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i thought me tunneling was obviously towny being wrong. or was saying that a nk bait too?

you attacking me so viciously so early felt townie to me - I'm less sure about you staying tunnelled and not progressing your read in any way. Like you keep saying that I am acting like in coalition but everyone here has disagreed with you on that read and you seem unwilling to re-examine your views.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also don’t understand why he claims I ever jumped on him D1, when I’m extremely sure that wasn’t the case, so no idea where he’s getting that from.

I was talking about bugspray who almost accidentally hammered me on D1 - you are playing his slot rn.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont get what the hammer means. does hammer mean last vote or something different here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also don’t understand why he claims I ever jumped on him D1, when I’m extremely sure that wasn’t the case, so no idea where he’s getting that from.

I was talking about bugspray who almost accidentally hammered me on D1 - you are playing his slot rn.

But why did you say “Raven” then? but okay I guess that makes sense?

What do you think of dsjtr’s recent posting?

i think if dsjtr is town we r really fkd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But why did you say “Raven” then?

I was analyzing the d1 wagon on me in the context of the players in the game currently - since 2 of the early voters have flipped town and im thinking about what it would mean if datsisi is actually town here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i didnt think aldus was town so i dont really trust my read atm

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here's my dilemma

I'm pretty townish on SS Raven Datisi

Skitter basically has to be town at this point with that role right? I don't think TW is fakeclaiming.

which leaves dsj - scum

but that means one of my reads on SS- Raven - Dats is wrong.

if DSJ is town it means I'm complete wrong about the game-state.

I've re-read a fair bit but it feels murky - I'm legit super paranoid rn about a Raven/SS scum team - which would be pretty much GG for us if true.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean I was thinking that maybe koba told bugspray to hammer me on D1 when I was at L-1 but bugspray logged on read the scum PT and then tried to hammer but koba already unvoted at that point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz that part of the game was moving super fast and koba did put me at L-1 in a king of weird way and bugspray has a tendency to not know where or when he is when he plays - it's a very disjointed experience.

tho koba unvoting wouldn't make sense either

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dsj's point is that skitter visiting him and him getting the pm from mod confirms skitter because then that's 2 people who got the PM from the mod.

The reason why dsj wants to be visited is because he thinks he's lynchbait so if the scum kill him to prevent skitter from getting confirmed then it's 1 less lynchbaity person in the lylo - conversely he also could think scum wouldn't kill him since he is lynchbaity and they want to keep him around for lylo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you dont confirm skitter u autohang today lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i see the probability of scum dats choosing to not confirm town skitter at close to 0

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my scumread of skitter was dependent on aldus flipping scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't?? like both tw and skitter were going at each other while i was universally townread also scum roleblockers exist so lol??

dont understand this roleblocker comment - r u trying to say that scumdats would claim not to receive a visit in order to get skitter lynched and then claim theres a scum rb?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky, could you please respond to 3365? Thanks.

my feeling on dsj is that hes a poe read for me at this point and could just be low hanging fruit here. I was already wrong once on a low hanging fruit and I dont want to be wrong again. I trust skitters skill and her role so I feel like unless I get a firm read on something my best odds r just to sheep her at this point. I've been rereading and playing around with some ideas in my head about whats actually going on here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not necessarily to get skitter lynched - to keep fuming the absolute shitfest that was skitter/tw. but yeah, i'd eventually start cring "scum rb!" or some or other shit. i'm not scum, i didn't think about it too much.

it seems very convolutes for scumdats to claim not to receive the msg and then blame it on scumRB. wouldnt it be much cleaner to just claim u received the msg?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would skitter rip at tw if dats says the msg didnt get thru. I think she would reroute to you at that point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i asked you to help me sort you by giving me a sample game to read in which you tunnel this hard as town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

...why does it feel to me like you're trying to just drag me into another pointless discussion... like if you're convinced i tell the truth about the friendly neighbor as either alignment... is this helping you sort me in any way...

...like maybe she would maybe she wouldn't have, i don't know... i'm saying i would've taken that risk as scum... but we don't live in the universe where i deny skitter being conftown to me so this whole discussion is moot...

you are the one who brought it up. I am just disagreeing that scumdats would risk the wrath of skitter to make some convoluted play.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im just saying i think that line of play makes a lot more sense from scumdats imo than what you've proposed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pedit:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=82461 - newbie 1992, tunnelled poor generalwu on day 1 for "white knighting" or whatever it was, dude flipped town

you didnt vote wu until post #1000 and he was lynched by post 1233. I am specifically looking for a game where you tunnelled from the start for a long time. Also feel you are a lot more emotionally committed to this game, you read much differently.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

by this game i mean the one where u mislynched wu, specifically you had some very AI emotionally charged fights prior to your wu push.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are more emptionally charged/committed in the game you linked imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think its because you've become a more mature person or because you want to toe the line more carefully after the forcereplacements?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean reading this game you've linked, I feel you've either really matured as a person or you don't actually believe I'm scum here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well im specifically looking for a really long tunnel - I can understand going after someone for 15-30 pages or so, its less understandable to me how you can be so focussed on me over a 130 page game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why are you now turning the conversation to whether i feel more or less emotionally charhed in this or that game?

I am trying to sort your slot because I am wrong on at least one of my trs

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because nothing has happened to change my mind and you refuse to die

well if I died and flipped green what would you do tommorrow in lylo?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you hanging would make 0 sense imo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

indeed
i appreciate you sharing it
not sure if it's super convincing cuz it relies on a series of assumptions that i'm not sure hold

is it bad that i think that micc just wouldn't include a bomb in this game so pooky is just lying?

if you think a bomb wouldnt be included - why would i fakeclaim bomb?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i wouldnt fake claim vig as scum period lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im pretty sure ive never fake claimed vig as scum ever afair

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i wouldn't confirm skitter's friendly neighbor as scum period lol

oh wait that doesn't work like that right

i know i would confirm her fn if i received it and I was scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think theres a decent chance you are deathtunneled town in this game so if we make it to lylo together the scum will win. its better for me to exit today and get rid of this distraction. good luck dats

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if u read my iso u can clearly see that i am a no filter stream of conciousness poster who hasnt bothered to fake anything the entire game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well you can see the motivation behind that lie being protown. I usually just post whatever comes into my head without really thinking it thru very much.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am helping you out here by telling you to remove me from the lylo. it would be a liability at this point to include me since you don't even believe my role would exist in this game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you guys think this role wouldn't even exist in the game, why would i make up some convoluted story about how I am secretly a bomb that tried to get the scums to kill him lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i wouldnt fake claim vig as scum period lol

sure but you claimed like possibly vig possibly blank vig who knows? guess we'll need to wait til after xylo to find out which is pretty survivalism motivated

the goal of the vig claim was to try to get the scum to shoot me as I have already explained.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I’ll say what I said to djstr. if you’re town, this is gamethrowing.

datisi said he will vote me d3 no questions asked - if we miss today and datisi is town, scum just keep him alive and easy win at lylo. if i leave now at least he gets his head screwed on right and starts looking fot bad guys instead of death tunneling me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my biggest fear rn is we lynch dsj, he flips green then i get speedlynched in lylo for the easy win. I think if you flip me today you remove the lylo speedlynch threat and also have a better shot tommorrow.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

Then who is scum, then?

lets say i am lynched today.

assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.

if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.

if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am very confused why i'm suddenly town when (1) i failed to provide an appropriate example of being in a deep tunnel as town and (2) when i'm apparently less emotionally invested in this game than in that other one where i flipped town but like

i have been rereading your iso over and over trying to figure your slot out and I think im just going to townslot you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well i am actively trying to get lynched here because its literally the only way to pull datisi's head out of his ass at this point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

Then who is scum, then?

I am only slumslotting your slot in the event that tw dies in the night and skitter gets a 2nd visit confirmed

lets say i am lynched today.

assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.

if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.

if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.

I don’t understand how you’re tr dsjtr over SS/me here.

How is it I have been linked with almost every player in this game? This obviously doesn’t make sense, so again this logic ought to lead to you tr me based off of this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

messed up quotes there,

my response is:


I am only slumslotting your slot in the event that tw dies in the night and skitter gets a 2nd visit confirmed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that was not addressed to the worst but uhhh the existance of tw/s_s scumteam is also cool

i dont think tw/ss can be scumteam cuz would mean town would only have 1 PR

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Imagine me/dkko being a s/s interaction

koba is a very creative and fun player. I can see them doing some crazy shit as scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i meant tw/skitter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i read tw/ss and in my mind it came out as tw/skitter for some reason.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

how are you townreading him ?????

also i think i'm promoting raven to maybe-town

i dont think he plays the lynch-me card here as scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

happy scumday btw pooky

ty

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

17 years first time im advocating for getting lynched. congrats datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i meant tw/skitter

you were talking about tw/ss tho

i misread ss as skitter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont think he plays the lynch-me card here as scum

so the fact that you're both doing this is kinda confusing ?

im doing it for a good reason tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Imagine me/dkko being a s/s interaction

koba is a very creative and fun player. I can see them doing some crazy shit as scum

this was explicitly about the koba/ss slot tho

my suspicion of ss is because I think he knows im town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

SS is not interested in solving the game but he somehow knows im town and has the mechanics down pat.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I'm wrong then I'd like to be the hammer today.

can you explain why you want to be hammer today?

I have many many many town games where I am the elim in ELO, I'd like to avoid that.

I spent some time pulling dsj's games on this site and here's his game history until December 2019 - I excluded Partition and Grand Conspiracy due to the strange voting rules in those games:

Game Link Role Result
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83776 Townie Replaced D1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=83080 Scum Replaced D1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=83071 Scum Replaced D1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83581 Scum Lynched D3
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83530 Townie Lynched D2
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83286 Scum Won in Endgame
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82166 Townie Killed N1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82022 Townie Lynched in LYLO
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82005 Townie Replaced D1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82026 Townie Lynched in LYLO
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81962 Scum Hammers himself D2
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81816 Townie Replaced D2
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81730 Town Tracker NK'd N2


So there are two games where he does lose as townie in LYLO. I'll do some more analysis based on post count in each game. A lot of his games are newbie games where he posts very little. I did a brief skim of the games where he is scum and nothing caught my eye yet but I'll re-read again.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you not care about solving the game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you don't have a solution locked down, shouldn't you be trying to work towards a solution?