Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Krazy]

Can I seduce both of you not for anything having to do with the game but just because now that you're talking about it it sounds fun?

[Krazy]

i really don't think you've made any mistakes in your play here if you are scum, and that's giving me pause in and of itself.

this is really funny but it makes me feel like you play with people like boon too much

[Krazy]

Well you're one of the most articulate, dedicated players left on this site and that avatar is super hot

I don't think that's a cheesy enough one-liner to be humorous but it is the truth

[Krazy]

Ooh I'll try Chara next

Chara you're one of the chillest people I have ever met anywhere ever, offline or on. You are a beacon of calm in a world that is increasingly tumultuous and for that I love you

[Krazy]

btw that's all true even if somehow one of you is like a super deepwolf. If either of you do flip scum this game I would only say that I desperately wish more people on this site played scum like you

even though you're still probably both just town :3

[Krazy]

i really don't think you've made any mistakes in your play here if you are scum, and that's giving me pause in and of itself.

this is really funny but it makes me feel like you play with people like boon too much

in what way?

i meant that as a reason against you being scum, not one for, if that wasn't clear.

ah I was taking it the other way. If it was flipped then I would say playing with Boon gives the impression that people are only town when they're scummy LOL

[Krazy]

Ah, thank you. My avatar was selected by none other than duckling, which is probably why it's not a cringe anime waifu or an obscure reference to a comic from 100 years ago

[Krazy]

VOTE: End the game, everyone wins

except catboi

, leave the thread unlocked indefinitely as our new private clubhouse

wait why is catboi excluded again?

[Krazy]

i do remember thinking that the timing of Tanner telling everyone about the autoloss scenario, and then Puppy coming in and slowrolling his own vote... is that what you were talking about when you said Tanner was fearmongering?

kinda but not exactly. I still think that with four people able to log on for the hammer kinda made it seem alarmist, but I don't really want to get into that since prism has discussed that tayl0r and lavender both could have been plausibly been offline for the night and I had vocally opposed the tayl0r wagon. I guess I'd say I can see how that's not necessarily fear-mongering but I still don't agree with townbinning him off it when it could still be a political play. I mean he doesn't even need to ever unvote there if he is scum. so he draws attention to it, gets towncred, and then if no one logs on he still gets the win.

you can talk to me more about the disconnect you feel there, though. I've kinda worried that my read is a bit inelegant. so I guess, if there is a disconnect there, are you sure it's a disconnect that is town-indicative?

[Krazy]

yeah I can see that, but remember I'm responding to the point that prism was making that that moment should be townclearing for tanner. I'm not saying he's tanner for that, I'm saying that there are problems with hard towning him there. I agree with you there could be scenarios in a scum!tanner world where he's simply uncoordinated with puppy

also, fair. alarmist/fear-mongering was probably too strong a word. I think for me a big part of it is just looking at the way he's leveraging those things today that make me suspect. The comments themselves at end of day 2 are I think in and of themselves 'townie' -- but trying to insist you're locktown on it and then pushing a bad case makes me revisit the 'townie' action and feel like it could have simply been the 'safe play'

or maybe I'm just omgusing too hard with my head up my ass

[Krazy]

no what i hate specifically is the way you said "not me' but i don't hate the rest of the post
and this one is giving me epicmafia mafia vibes like.... why me = fry me who remembers that

disclaimer: unlike Tanner i claim no responsibility for reads i make now i will definitely definitely probably change them later but also i always love to see Pooky content!

Do not blaspheme by speaking the accursed's name!

[Krazy]

We can do dnd here

Roll for initiative

[Krazy]

I meant epicmafia but that might be funnier

[Krazy]

Oh so that's why catboi is the only one who loses

[Krazy]

Am I allowed to flop your ears batgirl?

[Krazy]

I'd also be down for alike a Chara/Pooky/Krazy three way hydra or something but then again some of my experiences in multiheaded hydras have been mixed

[Krazy]

*flops hectic ears*

[Krazy]

has your brainfeels changed big way since 3121 or is that still kinda where you're at?

[Krazy]

Spoiler:

[Krazy]

This also pinged me at the time, but I couldn't really put my finger on one of the reasons for why until overnight. The post is worded in a very strange way, he's not talking to Ele directly, he's not just going straight into his thoughts with a "I find this hilarious because", he's starts with a "This is just a hilarious read from".

do you think pooky as scum is more likely to do indirect talking about their buddy than second person direct address? this sort of cognitive difference is something I've noticed in the past for some slots, but sometimes it can also simply relate back to how well they know someone and/or are likely to directly address them in general

[Krazy]

i nominate catboi

I think we should stick to self-nominations

i mean you can vote for catboi if he wants to actually do it lol

because we are of one soul

i mean you can lynch me but i will still be your mason friend

Do you think hectic wants to be spared?

just as like an early snap sample:

he uses second person for catboi and you (Hectic) which from scum!pooky pov means he does it for at least two town, but he does also do it for Puppy (Chara)

[Krazy]

quoting 255 there just to establish 257 was @CLAP

[Krazy]

I think you're right that 543 and 577 are kinda scummy

I'm like having a brain fog reading the end of your case

Pooky was just... pedit: rest of this post has been answered by the above so I cut it

[Krazy]

You need to look for Pooky pointing out someone's post is towny/scummy.

gotcha

[Krazy]

in scum!pooky world, he kills catboi just to break up the 1v1 there? have you seen scumpooky before, does he make 'obvious' nightkills?

[Krazy]

pooky what would you say are your best scumgames?

[Krazy]

Trying to wrap my head around the second half of your pooky case, why is him deliberating for a long time on redtea scummy and not townie? If you're town offering him a free wagon, if he waits to join you for longer than it would make sense to gain towncred for being 'thoughtful' and instead it gets to the point you're finding it scummy because he's indecisive, why isn't the simpler answer that he was just town evaluating whether your push was good or bad? I ask because not the parts you quoted, but his later approach to my slot was one of the reasons I thought he had high town equity frankly, he seemed to be willing to actively evaluate the redtea slot (ie my slot) not just on prism's meta but also off NKA. If he was scum he could have just as easily pushed hard there for *whatever* reason and then made up an excuse of not wanting to back off because of replacement.

[Krazy]

i once won a 32 player large by cop claiming very early

very nice, link?

[Krazy]

random question but would you say you use more gifs as town than as scum, or did you more just start using gifs recently and they'll just be absent from older games?

[Krazy]

vote Mith

investigation says guilty, i got a dead innocent day one so I am fairly certain of my sanity,

nuff said

I like that you don't actually fully reveal the full investigative title lol

[Krazy]

Me and Talitha are the uh, "bad guys"

However we have a really awesome win condition in that if either one of us survives into end of the game, both of us win(along with whoever normally wins in the endgame).

Basically if Flanders has been telling the truth about his ability, we can all win(us 2 baddies and the town)

We can nolynch, and flanders can convert one of us at night.

Next day, we will lynch the nonconverted out of me and tally, and since only townsfolk will be left.

We will all win together , the town winning cuz its townie only left, and me/tally winning cuz one of us survived to the endgame.

was this actually true?

[Krazy]

I'm so confused reading the first post of that game what actually happened LOL

sounds like an insane (semi-bastard by today's standards) setup

[Krazy]

why would i be scared of committing to Krazy when literally every1 was all in on krazy?

if anything scum pooky should be scared of committing to a push on Town-Hectic

prism and tayl0r I think were the other two opposed to my slot being scum at the time, so it wasn't everyone but it was definitely closer to a consensus position than not

[Krazy]

so pooky summary

scumcase:
some scummy posts day 1
some weird perspective things when talking to scum in early game
hectic sees push on his slot as scummy as well

vs.

towncase:
meta against grain for early bussing
night kill maybe "too obvious" (this one debatable I guess)
play toward my slot more likely to come from town than scum trying to pocket

I don't think it's healthy to ignore major tone issues so I'll think about the posts that got your attention, but the points of the towncase do give me significant pause when re-evaluating this slot. Like I think we can make the argument that points 1 and 2 of towncase would normally put this slot in the upper half

then again I feel like half my tanner case is tone so lol I don't want to be a hypocrite and say "oh no my tonereads are better than your tonereads!"

[Krazy]

especially when hectic's % on mid-game tonereads is probably +% compared to mine LOL

[Krazy]

I wouldn't kill Catboi N1. in my mind catboi was still susp to me

which is to say in a world of scum!pooky, catboi still looked lynchable? would you say you believe you could have plausibly gotten momentum on him day 2 if he had been alive?

[Krazy]

this game is crazy lol

I feel like VCA would point to Tweetie as being the 'least townie' slot by objective metrics but a lot of her posting from the last two days has basically been fine

I'm a little concerned that Hectic, after I explain why I think Pooky leans town and there's two replacements suddenly wants to start pushing me, at least now that Prism's gone.

Since we need some end of day consolidation I guess I'd go here HURT: Hectic

Chara/Prism was T/T I'm pretty sure, I think Pooky's concerns about Hectic's meta has some merit, but for me Hectic randomly snapping onto me toward end of day for what as far as I can tell is only due to replacements coming in with different attitudes toward my slot seems kinda scummy

[Krazy]

scum!Krazy would be a lot more okay with pushing this harsh/slightly mean angle than town!Krazy

this is also just an insane statement for Hectic to make given he played with me when I was town in Alisae's abandoned scumsman game

[Krazy]

how u doin alichan?

[Krazy]

aww *hug*

what do you think of hecboi?

[Krazy]

I had been phone posting from bed and passed out after prism ruined my joke bait

who are you interested in?

[Krazy]

And those ears are adorable.

lowkey most important factor

[Krazy]

HEAL: Lavender

This is probably what people need to hear right now lol

[Krazy]

Nacho can you expand on your reasoning? I feel like Lavender is pretty likely town given end of day 2, and I can point to several metrics that I think should make it not too hard to find town in my slot (NKA, VCA, meta...)

[Krazy]

HEAL: Alisae

I'm fine with this if we need to flash something to avoid deadline issues

[Krazy]

Spare Votecount 3.3

Hectic--------------------------

Nachomamma8---------------------------

Alisae --------------------------

(1) PookyTheMagicalBear

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(1) Hectic

Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender ----------------------

Krazy--------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

Not sparing:

- (6) Nachomamma8, Morning Tweet, Lavender, Krazy, Tanner, Alisae

It takes five to make a decision. The deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-15 12:00:24) [/color]

[Krazy]

I'm confused by the Hectic vote and Pooky switched to Tweet which is not a heal I'm quite as comfortable with

[Krazy]

well I mean it would drop to 1 heal, which is still better than giving scum two kills from a no fight/spare

but yes getting a fight resolved is probably better, but a heal in this scenario is better than [nothing]

[Krazy]

well I mean it would drop to 1 heal,

ebwop on one heal it drops to one investigation from two

[Krazy]

we should not spare. right now we have a clear path to a high ev winrate via genocide

okay who do you want the fight consolidate on then? don't just complain about emergency contingencies

[Krazy]

I don't think EV of two cops is better compared to scum getting a free double kill, I mean it's close but this is kind of a pointless argument when the better question is who actually is a good fight consolidation

[Krazy]

ok do we need to talk? can you walk me through what you liked about the tanner posts and why you're not thinking about hectic?

[Krazy]

where is everyone?

[Krazy]

hello prism i am also here and dying (both on the inside and outside) with you

and if that does happen i will personally blame myself for not remembering to point this out yesterday

lavender if you're town please vote taylor

WHOEVER VOTES TAYLOR WILL BE LOCKTOWN FROM HERE ON OUT BY ME

okay maybe I've played with duckling too much but a big push toward theatricality toward end of the day, particularly in a manner that could theoretically spew his slot town, is something I feel I am much more likely to see from scum in some ways? Like prism's reactions certainly feel natural to me and I can see town being alarmed, but I feel like tanner as scum would be very pumped to see this playing out and certainly would "milk" it for all it's worth. I guess I just don't really see what is hard to fake from this group?

As for the rambling beginning of the day...

at the time of me writing this, it is about 7:30pm. some 2 hours since the flips were posted. i've cracked a beer open, i'm having popcorn, and i'm dead inside. i'll be posting this as soon as day three dawns. if i don't live to see the sunrise, i will instead post this in the dead thread of whatever afterlife awaits me.

then i kinda realized that scum is in a (probably) not good position here, and scum!puppy would have to like, start setting things up for the future days?

because in our last game, he was similarly in a not very good position, and i caught on to the misexecutes he was setting up (that i then got killed over and nobody listened to me and they executed my townread in lylo but i'm not saly i'm not salty at all)

and here he's just... not doing that?

i am not a clown.

i am the entire circus.

I guess I'd need to review more on why you're obvtown or see yourself as such, but I don't in general think [tanner] pushing obvtown [puppy] makes them town.

this quote makes me want to gouge my own eyes out.

this not me taking a jab at krazy, his reads, nor his alignment. this is me being a salt mine.

WHOEVER VOTES TAYLOR WILL BE LOCKTOWN FROM HERE ON OUT BY ME

at first, i regretted making this post, since lavender hammered right after, and i thought i would have to break a promise. this post was made out of desperation, and i thought her hammering does not make her town, because she might've been scum scraping any sorta towncred she can by beating puppy to the hammer.

however... puppy flipped chara.

puppy had a clear-cut wincon of "don't show up". whether he accidentally played against that wincon by not realizing it, or was purposefully posting to stall to troll us, i don't know. in a theoretical puppy/lavender world, the best course of action is to tell lavender *not to post*. it doesn't actually matter if the town figures out puppy is stalling, because by the time we do figure that out (likely very little time left on the clock), it's very very unlikely 6 people show up to shift the wagon onto him, and at any town!fight, he's dead anyway.

we were expecting lavender not to show up at all. but she did. so i think the options are:
(1) scum!lavender, either unknowingly (not reading the thread nor the scum PT before making her presence known) or knowingly (???) played against wincon by showing up
(2) scum!lavender planned this exact sequence of events out with scum!puppy in hopes that someone locktown her for it rather than trying to go for the win outright
(3) lavender is town.

i would like some feedback on this, but i do genuinely think this makes town!lavender much much *much* more likely now.

ok the beer is starting to have its effects, i'm not sure if i had anything left to say in the opening post anyway
i think i'm gonna try to stop thinking about this game until day three

does anyone still think i might be scum in this game???? does anyone dare call my puppy push tmi??????? speak now or forever hold your peace because i *will* argue about why i should basically be an IC here

(i'm keeping this line even if i die, fuck it, i'll argue with the dead thread i don't give a fuck)

ok cool see ya in two days
cheers

edit some 2 hours later:

i lied. i'm thinking about this game. morning tweet is probably town for the similar reason as lavender. even if scum!tweet wasn't aware of the "scum chooses the action" thing, i'm assuming she would've at least checked the rules out when she saw my post, and i'm assuming she wouldn't purposefully ~not try to win immediately~ because she dislikes playing scum right? and now would have to play like 3 more days? ok cool

edit2:

it's like 1:30am. i'm thinking about this game again. hectic has changed his avatar into a depressed sonic drinking. man i fucking feel that. i've been ctrl+fing "launchy" in his iso. man that hurts. man that fucking hurts. i am in pain. we have wronged this man. unless hectic is like, 3rd scum who was calling out both his buddies since day one???? no. hectic. buddy. listen. we are a townblocc now.

ALSO THE NEXT PERSON TO SAY THE WORDS "WE SHOULD SPARE" IS GETTING DEATHTUNNELED NO MERCY

fucking hell

fuck the triangle we're going oldschool
maybe 1499 wasn't a *complete* disaster
let's try this again.

{tanner} - bruh my role pm is green
{tweet, lavender} - town because of deadline thing. more conclusive for tweet than for lavender. but eh.
{prism} - i refuse to believe this slot is scum. if this slot is scum i am going to cry so many tears post game.
{hectic} - this is my townblocc now. prism don't @ me.
{pooky} - i am vibing town!pooky. i just am.
{chara} - i have a feeling i haven't read anything about this slot in like years. did prism say chara is town? idk.
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{krazy} - anyone other than prism give me * o n e * good reason why this slot isn't getting nuked into oblivion today

i don't actually know at this very moment why i *so strongly* feel like we *really* need to nuke this but i do
like my two Pure Gutfeels(tm) on day two were nuke krazy and nuke puppy

i haven't figured out the implications yet what chara!puppy means wrt day one bussing though
what was the wagon
why would chara bus but regular mafia not
ok that is one reason why i might not call to instanuke krazy here
hmmm redtea was gone though
h m m
H M M

ok it's 2am now and a friend is calling me i gotta go
i'll think about this in the morning

edit after daystart:

no nightkill? doesn't that mean that town gets an extra execution in genocide? that's... odd. very odd. i'll think about it. at some point. maybe.

first, I don't really think people are more townie when they self-narrate how long they are spending on their posts or when they are doing their posts. I actually think this is very often scummy. Town just do posts, and while they can observe how long it takes to do something, they don't really play it up. This is so self-referential to me it's a bit distracting.

Secondly the readslist bothers me since I think Pooky is also town so the first slot where I can see where he's coming from is Hectic. Beyond that the way he works around my slot seems very scummy, he's not really articulating a case on me--in fact, he makes good points for why it doesn't make sense for my slot to be scum off VCA but then ignores it, which is something I've seen from him *multiple* times around my slot.

Like maybe the reason this post is so rambly and long is because he needs to formulate some reason to justify a push on me because he needs to feel like he's pushing somewhere even if it's unnatural or contradicts his own thought process?

You and Hectic have both said this seems natural and hard to fake but this feels unnatural and easy to fake. What am I not seeing here?

[Krazy]

huh the site just ate a short post I made to ali

hmmm

anyway, ali can you work with me more here lol

[Krazy]

Alisae/Krazy who are you willing to vote for today?

he just said his pool is lavender/krazy, so you need to decide if you agree with that pool or want to go outside it. Do you want Hectic at this point or not?

I'm kinda at Tanner-->Hectic, not really sure what I'd be willing to compromise on after that

[Krazy]

I mean, maybe. But this is also the point to really be clear about what you do want. Do you want Hectic? If you're going to compromise after that, it needs to be clear right

I'm like, aware no one seems super interested in Tanner but I can keep batting down all the weak reasons keep presenting for him being town, and at this point Hectic's last few posts seemed slimy enough I'm open minded about not deathtunneling him. But I don't think we should all randomly expand Lavender into our pools just because she's a low volume poster when she's basically done as much to obvtown herself this game as you are probably ever going to get from Lavender in any game

[Krazy]

Well stop quibbling about the spare no one wants and be clear to alisae and nacho that hectic is the way lol

[Krazy]

I have no idea why Nacho and Alisae both have me in their pool or low in their pool and since I'm not staying up all night waiting for whenever Nacho comes back I'm going to remind people of the points that people have already solved my slot this game multiple times.

The catboi nightkill does not come from a last scum under fire:

if redtea/suji/krazy is the non-chara why would they shoot the person who had them as solid town and stated multiple times during D1 that they were town?

This fit Redtea's town meta:

I followed along in SIN and this is a similar but more confident redtea. This makes sense given the townwin that resulted and the paranoia that crept into their thinking at the end over the more straightforward obvscum.

this is the redtea post, their proactivity in reads+how readily they went to bat for me-not for its own sake either, but to press someone else-lines up really well with the confidence boost that likely came with that game

they also have reason to be terrified/nervous of a catscum but they're showing no fear at all. Super town imo

Hectic also is right here on some of the reasons I do not no kill:

Krazy is probably town because he's exceptionally adept with mechanics. Chara can attest to this. He came into a Boon game while I was hydraing with Billy Pilgrim and powersolved it by compiling all the mech together and forming an optimal strat. I very much doubt he makes the error of accidentally giving town an extra elim here.

There's the question of him nokilling for WIFOM, but that's a pretty all around losing play, like a last resort "why not" play if you really think you don't have a chance, but it then doesn't fit his mindset yesterday, where he was efforting a fair bit, and put a lot of effort into a Tanner case.

Maybe I'm dumb but he's moved up a couple of spaces for me just based on this no-kill. I think Pooky and Lavender are most likely to no-kill here. Pooky for the memes and Lavender because she miscalculated or forgot to.

Alisae can attest to the additional fact that I do not like playing scum and would never intentionally make a game longer by no killing, nor would I give town an extra fight. I know there's an issue of "no one would make such an obvious tactical mistake so it could be anyone" but really, I don't like scum. Alisae I think knows I replaced out of ali vs pine because I ran out of steam. There are 0 worlds where I no-kill into an extra day, and Datisi arguing that I wouldn't do the math to work that out is one of the main reasons I think he's scum, because I don't really think town!datisi has that thought process about me

now I do feel a bit omgusy about datisi and I know people want to be like hard town on tanner because of the posts above, but given I also don't townread those posts I kinda don't want to just drop that.

That being said given Hectic already solved me for town having him randomly start shading me after two replacements come in and change the gamestate is pretty scummy too

I feel like I could do VCA on why I'm town too but I think if you think about the gamestate you find me town. Not sure what more specifically I need to do to towncase myself given my slot has already been more convincingly towncased by half the game at varying occasions, in addition to

I have a huge feeling that Krazy's push on Tanner today (and response to being pushed by Tanner) just isn't from scum. But i can't explain it very well

if you actually think about how I'm approaching this game, I think that like Tweet you also intuit I'm town

I think I can be on early tomorrow morning before deadline but I'm not staying up all night screwing with wagons. I think Hectic is the way. If you're just giving 0 explanation on why he's town and you're voting Lavender, who is a MUCH easier slot to solve as town this game, then I don't know what you're doing

[Krazy]

so who are you willing to elim today? Pick 2 people you would absolutely bet the game on that they are town and everyone else is expendable. We need a consensus elim or else scum gains tons of EV

Again, I don't really think this is a productive exercise. It's much more informative if you take some time to explain why you don't want to go certain places and why you do want to go other places.

If I were to play your game, I'd say Alisae's slot and Lavender. But I think that's not as helpful as you may think it would be. It's making me feel SUPER weird that it feels like you're only engaging me right now when I'm the only one who has joined you on Hectic so far. Do you think we should both push somewhere else? in which case just say that dude or try to make Hectic actually happen LOL

[Krazy]

To be clear, my problem with Hectic right now is that in addition to 3851 just feeling pretty scummy to me, this progression

Krazy is probably town because he's exceptionally adept with mechanics. Chara can attest to this. He came into a Boon game while I was hydraing with Billy Pilgrim and powersolved it by compiling all the mech together and forming an optimal strat. I very much doubt he makes the error of accidentally giving town an extra elim here.

There's the question of him nokilling for WIFOM, but that's a pretty all around losing play, like a last resort "why not" play if you really think you don't have a chance, but it then doesn't fit his mindset yesterday, where he was efforting a fair bit, and put a lot of effort into a Tanner case.

Maybe I'm dumb but he's moved up a couple of spaces for me just based on this no-kill. I think Pooky and Lavender are most likely to no-kill here. Pooky for the memes and Lavender because she miscalculated or forgot to.

I've been thinking about this Tanner push from Krazy, and I get this feeling that scum!Krazy would be a lot more okay with pushing this harsh/slightly mean angle than town!Krazy. As scum, it's all for the sake of the game and fabricated, so no hard feelings. As town, I feel like he's less likely to attack Tanner using this angle unless he's extremely confident, since he'd feel worse about it in case he's wrong. but I don't think the reasons for his push should equate to him being extremely confident? Tanner's start of day 3 wall was so towny, because it was stream of consciousness posting, and really hard to fake as scum, but Krazy continued pushing there regardless.

seems to exist more because two replacements came in and said I was low in their pool than anything else. It feels like Hectic doesn't really want to lead on me but instead position me as available and let other people push me first which is actually kinda more scummy than Tanner's ongoing push which could actually reflect some conviction

I mostly just really don't like 3851 given it makes 0 sense coming from our last game of scumsman together tho

[Krazy]

Tanner gets +townpoints for positioning me as Carl Weathers in a meme, significant improvement to very large mouth white lady

[Krazy]

Hectic can you remind me of your thought process on Chara-slot? It's a pain to find your trajectory due to the talk of mech-chara

[Krazy]

This like the exact same formula as yesterday from Krazy. I voice some suspicion on him and then he starts gunning for me. I loke him more start of day and he's then fine with me. You seem to be more interested in your own survival than anything else, Krazy.

I just think the timing of your shift is weird. Two replacements come in and you start adjusting your positioning on me makes it seem possible that your sudden change on me is more due to Prism no longer being in the game. Maybe you are just... Hectic... and your thoughts move at willynilly. But it seems like something scum would do in a fluid gamestate.

[Krazy]

I guess I'm trying to wrap my head around why you would have a slot you've townread but haven't read the scum case for above Lavender who seems like easy obvtown after day 2? Why is Lavender still under consideration compared to slots that might actually be scum?

[Krazy]

idk I guess I kinda feel like that play just doesn't feel like it's in her scumrange? Like I agreed with Tanner's points about Lavender so much that I thought it was weird he felt the need to spell it out for so long, I think she's just town.

Chara has good vote positioning and didn't seem scummy to me in the way Prism thought he was scummy but he never did anything where I was like "okay now I can stop thinking about this slot" in the way that Lavender or Prism did

[Krazy]

anyway that's like, almost off topic, I kinda wasn't sure I liked the end of your four part list but maybe you just haven't really thought about it very hard past pooky which could make sense too

hmm

[Krazy]

I feel like I walked you through why I thought Pooky was town like... yesterday lol

[Krazy]

is this a way of saying "i agree with tanner so much that i now think he's even more scum"? /s

I mean, I didn't really think "Lavender is obvtown" was going to be a contested point today, but hey, this game is weird

[Krazy]

pooky you really should be voting

[Krazy]

Krazy got mad at people and was harsh as town is the gist of what I remember. There were a few battles in the thread. I can't really remember specifics and at who. Who was it at, Krazy?

Insomnia and Pink Ball I think were the biggest two fights but there might have been another I'm forgetting

also Datisi was *in* that game so that's kinda a weird question lol

[Krazy]

I know you've mentioned you didn't read the game, it's just still really jarring to me that you'd straight not read like... 20 page sections of the game

like you've told me but it's hard for me to accept that

[Krazy]

not that I would have wanted you to read that part of the game anyway honestly, the argument with pink ball was exceedingly dumb at some point but it kept going for no reason

[Krazy]

tanner who WOULD you vote on at this point, other than me?

[Krazy]

I'm fine with this actually

I kinda think Alisae is town and I would like to talk with em but I kinda feel like e is not going to... really talk? And if Alisae doesn't really want to talk I don't know what else we want to do with this day, especially if we're right and Nacho just ends the game

[Krazy]

[quote="In post 4127, Isis"Tanner, you are

town

. You are

Astigmatism

dressed as

Loox

.[/quote]

interesting

so I guess scum want me fought today?

[Krazy]

He tried to push Tanner and Tanner is town
He pushed Hectic and Hectic is town
He was okay with Nacho dieing and Nacho was town like

Krazy shouldn't be this fucking bad at the game.
Like he's just scum

uhh ok

I did push Hectic but I actually started with him as town and he just kept randomly shading me. I don't do well when people I know and think should be able to find me town keep acting like the game doesn't end with the person they're pushing. But I still want to say Hectic wasn't really my fight? He was a compromise I was willing to give rather than letting go to complete deadline like the panic of Tayl0r

I don't really feel like I'm having a bad game. I helped shut down the Lavender push yesterday, and there's only one scum to find lol

[Krazy]

Right.. so basically just need to review Krazy at this point. Would say that Puppy voting for Krazy/Suji was a ballsy move when I do not think there was anyone around to defend the slot at the time. That elim coulda gone through easily. But maybe that's what scum needed, something gambity

For the record, I've been mostly clearing Krazy off his emotional reaction to Tanners suspicion. It's just something I dont expect to see from scum often. Do I have more than those two points?

There is also the part where Prism pointed out redteas extremely odd scum meta, which they did not play to this game.

I find it kinda weird though. Does scum not believe I'm confirmed town? I can think of only one person here who has expressed a lot of distrust in me. It's not Pooky. Pooky, wouldn't you have cleared me..? Of course Ali/Prism should have been cleared too. So maybe it's just a huge wifom play.

pedit: hia ali

this is kinda a weird post.

[Krazy]

Like maybe someone is going to come in and say I'm lynchable which is why I don't think I get cleared

That would be nice

Anyhow MT, Town!Krazy and Scum!Krazy are very visibly different.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=33906 This is town!krazy. This Krazy is excited to be town and you can see that they're having the time of their fuckin life like they just won the fucking lottery.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=80863 This is scum!Krazy, this Krazy cannot fake the energy that town!Krazy has.

There is also the part where town!Krazy has really good reads and scum!Krazy doesn't.

Right, but... again, this is a reason I'm town. Scum!Krazy never no kills to prolong a game lol

And I never clear Tanner

Like actually the game just has to end after killing Krazy.
They played so fucking badly if they're town

lol fuck you

actually though you have literally been in games where I have struggled to get going. I wouldn't be surprised you'd forget since you also flaked on that game, but the YayVideoGames game was basically a disaster. I also had very close to a 0% readrate for most of Jingle's weird undead ghost chat game.

But mostly though just fuck you

[Krazy]

Hectic called Morning Locktown
he doesn't usually call people locktown unless he has a good reason to call people locktown
so I'm trusting it

why? I kinda think Batgirl is probably the most likely deepwolf at this point, although I need to review my notes to see if I really gave Pooky a pass too easily

[Krazy]

if we elim tweetie after hectic declared her locktown and lose um i really wont be able to talk to him postgame

stop talking about postgame

if we lose this game because you misfight me somehow people will blame me so I don't want to hear about who you think people will blame in post. Like literally look at what Alisae is already saying

also this is just... never, ever a good or productive way to look at a game

[Krazy]

Really though if Tweet is scum she probably just wins since her avi is too adorable to scumread

[Krazy]

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Not sparing: - (8)

Nachomamma8

, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Lavender

,

Krazy

,

Tanner

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.5

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

--------------------------- (1) Prism
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

-------------------

Lavender

---------------------- (3)

Tanner

,

Nachomamma8

,

Tayl0r Swift

Krazy

-------------------------- (2)

Hectic

,

CantLynchAPuppy

Tanner

------------------------- (1)

Krazy

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not Fighting: - (3) PookyTheMagicalBear,

Lavender

, Morning Tweet,

SPARE VOTECOUNT 2.6

Hectic

-------------------------- (1)

Hectic

Nachomamma8

--------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

-------------------

Lavender

----------------------

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not sparing: - (8)

Nachomamma8

, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Lavender

,

Krazy

,

Tanner

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.6

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

------------------- (2)

Tanner

, Prism

Lavender

---------------------- (3)

Tayl0r Swift

,

Nachomamma8

, Morning Tweet

Krazy

-------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

Tanner

------------------------- (2)

Krazy

,

Hectic

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not Fighting: - (2) PookyTheMagicalBear,

Lavender

SPARE VOTECOUNT 2.7

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

--------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

Prism -------------------------- (1)

Krazy

PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

-------------------

Lavender

---------------------- (1)

Hectic

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not sparing: - (6)

Nachomamma8

, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Lavender

,

Tanner

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.7

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

------------------- (2)

Tanner

, Prism

Lavender

---------------------- (3)

Tayl0r Swift

,

Nachomamma8

, Morning Tweet

Krazy

-------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

Tanner

------------------------- (2)

Krazy

,

Hectic

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not Fighting: - (2) PookyTheMagicalBear,

Lavender

SPARE VOTECOUNT 2.8

Hectic

-------------------------- (1)

Krazy

,

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism -------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

-------------------

Lavender

---------------------- (1)

Hectic

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not sparing: - (5)

Nachomamma8

, Prism, Morning Tweet,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Lavender

,

Tanner

, PookyTheMagicalBear


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.8

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

------------------- (3)

Tanner

, Prism,

Hectic

Lavender

---------------------- (3)

Nachomamma8

, Morning Tweet,

Tayl0r Swift

Krazy

-------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

Tanner

-------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not Fighting: - (3)

Lavender

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Krazy

SPARE VOTECOUNT 2.9

Hectic

-------------------------- (2)

Krazy

, PookyTheMagicalBear

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism -------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

-------------------

Lavender

---------------------- (1)

Hectic

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not sparing: - (6)

Nachomamma8

, Prism, Morning Tweet,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Lavender

,

Tanner

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.9

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

------------------- (5)

Tanner

, Prism,

Hectic

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet

Lavender

---------------------- (2)

Nachomamma8

,

Tayl0r Swift

Krazy

-------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

Tanner

-------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not Fighting: - (2)

Lavender

,

Krazy

SPARE VOTECOUNT 2.F

Hectic

-------------------------- (2)

Krazy

, PookyTheMagicalBear

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism -------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

-------------------

Lavender

---------------------- (1)

Hectic

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not sparing: - (6)

Nachomamma8

, Prism, Morning Tweet,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Lavender

,

Tanner

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.F

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift

------------------- (6)

Tanner

, Prism,

Hectic

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet,

Lavender

,

Lavender

---------------------- (2)

Nachomamma8

,

Tayl0r Swift

Krazy

-------------------------- (1)

CantLynchAPuppy

Tanner

-------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy

-------------
Not Fighting: - (1)

Krazy

SPARE VOTECOUNT 3.1

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

--------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1)

Hectic

Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

----------------------

Krazy

-------------------------- (1) Prism

Tanner

------------------------- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear,
Not sparing: - (5)

Nachomamma8

, Morning Tweet,

Lavender

,

Krazy

,

Tanner

,


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 3.1

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (2)

Hectic

, Morning Tweet,
Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

----------------------

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

------------------------- (1)

Krazy

Not Fighting: - (5)

Nachomamma8

, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Lavender

,

Tanner

SPARE VOTECOUNT 3.2

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1)

Hectic

Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

----------------------

Krazy

-------------------------- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear

Tanner

-------------------------
Not sparing: - (6)

Nachomamma8

, Morning Tweet,

Lavender

,

Krazy

,

Tanner

, Prism


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 3.2

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (2)

Hectic

, Morning Tweet,
Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

----------------------

Krazy

-------------------------- (1)

Tanner

Tanner

------------------------- (1)

Krazy

Not Fighting: - (4)

Nachomamma8

, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Lavender

SPARE VOTECOUNT 3.3

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Alisae -------------------------- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1)

Hectic

Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

----------------------

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------
Not sparing: - (6)

Nachomamma8

, Morning Tweet,

Lavender

,

Krazy

,

Tanner

, Alisae


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 3.3

Hectic

-------------------------- (1)

Krazy

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Alisae--------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (2)

Hectic

, Morning Tweet,
Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

---------------------- (2)

Nachomamma8

, Alisae,

Krazy

-------------------------- (1)

Tanner

Tanner

-------------------------
Not Fighting: - (2) PookyTheMagicalBear,

Lavender

,

SPARE VOTECOUNT 3.F

Hectic

--------------------------

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Alisae -------------------------- (1)

Krazy

PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1)

Hectic

Morning Tweet---------------- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear

Lavender

----------------------

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------
Not sparing: - (5)

Nachomamma8

, Morning Tweet,

Lavender

,

Tanner

, Alisae


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 3.F

Hectic

-------------------------- (5)

Krazy

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Alisae,

Lavender

,

Tanner

Nachomamma8

---------------------------
Alisae--------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (2)

Hectic

, Morning Tweet
Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

---------------------- (1)

Nachomamma8

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------
Not Fighting: -


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 4.F

Nachomamma8

--------------------------- (4)

Tanner

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, Alisae
Alisae--------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

----------------------

Krazy

--------------------------

Tanner

-------------------------
Not Fighting: (3)-

Nachomamma8

,

Lavender

,

Krazy

[Krazy]

hectic said he had a town-tell on tweetie tho

so are you saying you're scum?

[Krazy]

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.5
Hectic-------------------------- (3) Tayl0r Swift, catboi, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (3) CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8, Morning Tweet
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (1) Krazy
Prism -------------------------- (1) Lavender
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1) Hectic
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Tanner
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) beeboy
Not Fighting: - (1) PookyTheMagicalBear

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.6
Hectic-------------------------- (2) Tayl0r Swift, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (2) CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (1) Krazy
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (3) Hectic, catboi, Tanner
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Morning Tweet
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) beeboy
Not Fighting: - (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender

This is a really interesting progression. beeboy decides that where there's a wagon with the chara, one town, and one unknown, he pushes back on the chara bussing him?

There's one view that he anticipates he's going down and decides to start going anti-informational by not spewing other slots, but that seems odd to me. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to try to survive with a counter-wagon, if simply to continue playing the game? By pushing on the chara he basically is hoping his wagon goes nowhere. Given how weird scum played this game, I think we do have to consider an early double bus for theater, which would somewhat fit if we also consider:

SPARE VOTECOUNT 1.2
Hectic-------------------------- (1) beeboy
beeboy-----------------------
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Nachomamma8, catboi
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) Morning Tweet
Not sparing: - (7) Hectic, Prism, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Krazy, Tanner, CantLynchAPuppy

SPARE VOTECOUNT 1.3
Hectic--------------------------
beeboy-----------------------
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Nachomamma8, catboi
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, beeboy
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (2) Morning Tweet, CantLynchAPuppy
Not sparing: - (6) Hectic, Prism, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Krazy, Tanner
58 "Launchy" isn't a player or unique abbreviation of one.

Now, in a world of town!Tweet, this would fit with Puppy just trying to pocket/warlock Tweet. But that wouldn't really fit the general scum strategy we've seen this game of obfuscating conventional tactics. Instead it seems less like Puppy is trying to build his early game around a Tweet pocket and more like Tweet and Puppy are trying to interact (at least in terms of VCA, not really going into posts quite yet).

Unfortunately this argument could also work for Pooky:
SPARE VOTECOUNT 1.5
Hectic--------------------------
beeboy-----------------------
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Nachomamma8, catboi
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, beeboy
catboi-------------------------- (1) Hectic, Morning Tweet
Morning Tweet---------------- (1) Tayl0r Swift
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) CantLynchAPuppy
Not sparing: - (4) Prism, Lavender, Krazy, Tanner


since here beeboy is building on the Pooky spare wagon, the difference being that beeboy doesn't really mirror fights the way tweet would

[Krazy]

They played so fucking badly if they're town

looking at vca, actually, I'm not sure your slot has voted scum this entire game

I'm not sure my slot has either but I mean, I just think your tone here is kinda rich.

[Krazy]

Hectic has an extremely good record of reading me ever since my first scum game against him. He can tell the difference now perfectly -- it's not terribly difficult if you've played with me for a while. I loathe playing scum!

yeah me too. But I get very cautious when someone thinks someone can read them perfectly, and the person being read agrees with that lol

Hectic does have above rand reads but I've hydra'd with him and I know that as his engagement fades his readrate goes down and honestly he was fading toward the later half of this game. I also think early game towntells are just generally bullshit

That being said, do you think pooky is scum?

[Krazy]

Does scum not believe I'm confirmed town?

I mostly am wondering where this comes from.

[Krazy]

beeboy----------------------- (7) Nachomamma8, Hectic, CantLynchAPuppy, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, catboi, Prism

actually maybe this explains the Tanner inno? It positions me as the only off-wagon player in the game and means that if I get fought today then town has to deal with the reality that scum double bussed day 1 in f4

still confused how that is more valuable to scum than my tunnel on tanner but idk

[Krazy]

Oh that was me shading you

Pooky buys Hectic's read clearing me, you don't. Therefore I'd expect Pooky to use a confirm on me, while I'd expect you not to.

Your reaction to Ali and selfmeta about hating scum makes me want to switch to Pooky. Damned emotions

ah okay, I get that a little more then

but do you think that pooky would evaluate the game as seeing you as more clear than alisae?

[Krazy]

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.2
Hectic--------------------------
Nachomamma8---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy-------------------------- (3) Morning Tweet, Nachomamma8, Hectic
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) Tanner
Not Fighting: - (6) Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Krazy, CantLynchAPuppy

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.3
Hectic--------------------------
Nachomamma8---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy-------------------------- (4) Morning Tweet, Nachomamma8, Hectic, CantLynchAPuppy
Tanner ------------------------- (1) Krazy
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) Tanner
Not Fighting: - (4) Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender

For me this is still an interesting wagon. First of all, I kinda don't get why Alisae thinks CLAP busses by becoming the fourth vote on a wagon where he loses if it goes through. That being said Alisae is probably still down, but here I guess the question is is CLAP joining his buddy's wagon (Tweet) or is the second scum just hanging out waiting for it to develop even more and letting the chara get on first so they can be ideally off-wagon if it goes through? Scum would love for an all-town+chara wagon to fuck with VCA probably, so this could maybe be a point for town-tweet/scum-pooky world

[Krazy]

Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (6) Tanner, Prism, Hectic, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, Lavender,

Actually thinking of this, Pooky might make more sense given that CLAP's weird theater at the end of the day I think still implies his buddy was already on the wagon, and I don't think Tweet voted before those posts

[Krazy]

Like Alisae I think if you look at VC if you think I'm scum then like... almost a simple majority of misfights were all town-wagons. Which is, uh, a stretch I wanna say

and you're bitching about my play when I was one of the only ones who had a good read of TSwift

[Krazy]

but yeah, between the catboi kill, which was one of the only slots hard defending me, and the tanner clear, which seems to serve no purpose other than getting me fought today, I want to say basically every visible scum night action has either been to make my slot lynchable

Clap joins a three-deep wagon on me day 2 with the other scum already dead

like, I'm just town. I'm not actually sure who the last scum is, but I feel like if you think about what scum is trying to do this game you will realize that me getting fought is basically their top priority at this point since it's definitely necessary to them winning the game

[Krazy]

Krazy why don't you have 800 posts?

I took this game as a favor for Isis and I'm coming back from a six month break because mafia was taking up too much time. Also, again, you have been with me in games where we have literally hydra'd and I've noped out of the game for multiple weeks at a time.

[Krazy]

What happened to the Krazy who was havin a good time cuz he randed town and tried to outpost me as scum and did because he was just so fucking happy that he rolled town, cuz let me tell you, I don't know where the fuck that Krazy is, but he certainly ain't here.

I feel like I've quit mafia like three times since then

I kinda think you don't appreciate how much switching to video mafia has changed my playstyle. This is really my first game back since switching and I really just realized that the game is just better and easier when I am analyzing and taking more of a passive role rather than constantly trying to dominate the thread.

[Krazy]

Unless you convince yourself to scumread me, it doesn't really matter tbh. Pooky and Krazy are still gonna die regardless.

you'd bet the game on town!tweet?

[Krazy]

IF YOU WERE TRYING TO COMPROMISE, YOU COULD HAVE VOTED POOKY OR LAVENDER.

Lavender was obvious town and I had explained why I townread Pooky more than Hectic

Hectic was a fine wagon, I mean I think you're kinda blowing this out of proportion? I was wrong on Tanner anyway so at least I was right that I needed to open up my view of the game

In no way do I think Lavender would have been a better "compromise" than Hectic

[Krazy]

I gave this some thought before you started posting because I still wasn't 100% committed but I am for a few reasons mostly because I want to trust Hectic but also at the end of day 2 MT doesn't need to vote taylor but they do anyway.

yeah this is a pretty good point, I was looking at that VC and I think it does give a pretty good point to Pooky!scum over her, but I'm not sure it's fully clearing given how much towncred it was clear she'd get for the vote at that point and the likelihood of me + lavender waking up and voting

out of curiosity, why do you give more value to Hectic being right about Tweet for reasons he couldn't explain than to Hectic being right about Pooky for reasons he could explain? if you're going to deadsheep Hectic, wouldn't it be on Pooky?

[Krazy]

well nevermind on that last one I guess lol

[Krazy]

Maybe I'm just overthinking it since CLAP seemed to be doing everything so weird that it looks like he was trying to make his position toward Tweet *very weird* through his votes in the early game, normally I would say that just spews her town but I've lost too many games to scum that did early weird theater to be okay just not thinking about it

Occam's Razor would usually be Pooky, in which case I probably spent most this game pocketed which is unfortunate

I just hate thinking "oh if tweet is scum she just played really well and she deserves it" because basically every time I have that thought the person is scum and in retrospect it feels like there was something I should have seen

then again that's basically what I'm doing with prism but prism seemed sooooo different from Abandoned Game + the extremely emotional trajectory on Chara + the sheer wim that seemed to ooze town pretty much nonstop that I think that slot just is always town, like prism never infuriates chara like that only to find him town [as scum], I just cannot see a world where she plays like that

[Krazy]

does scum!krazy ever no-kill in order to open up the "endgame PoE"?

why? and who'd you clear as scum here?

also can you pls answer what your mindset was yesterday, why you were fine having nacho executed when pretty much your only scumread other than be just flipped green and i was the main pusher?

To answer the third one -- I actually feel like, outside of our mutual tunnel, we'd been approaching the game relatively similarly? While I hadn't really liked your reads earlier in the game, as things went on and we gained more information, I felt like I could understand your perspective a little more. I would say the biggest thing here by far is how you were treating Lavender. I initially had thought it was kinda scummy the way you were emphasizing her as town since it seemed like maybe white knighting, after alisae and nacho came in arguing she was scum I kinda realized it was maybe more townie to just establish baseline points than white knighty.

Beyond that I'm not sure I agree you were the main pusher on Hectic? Wasn't that more Pooky? In any case I didn't really think your approach to Hectic that day was scummy.

On the second one, I feel like as scum I'd probably clear Alisae and Lavender? I'm less sure on Lavender, but I really don't get why Alisae wasn't cleared given how consistently Prism was townread

For the first one, that's a kinda complicated question. The thing is, there's three related points here--no killing twice, clearing you, and how I view the game. In isolation, I suppose there are worlds where I would no kill if it offered some sort of clear and demonstrable strategic advantage. But the thing is, I hate playing scum, and I would want the game to be over as soon as possible. So for me to no kill there would have to be some sort of massive strategic advantage of doing so. In the context of this game... that does not seem to be the way it's played out. In a world of Krazy!Scum, I would be no killing to kill one of the clears, right? But... at least, going into day 3, I personally saw both Prism and Lavender as completely clear. So... I would be... no killing... to dismantle mechanical clears... while then also giving the game an extra free clear in you (Tanner) for the purpose of sacrificing a kill on one of the townread players? That's putting aside the simple fact that I hate scum... I don't see how no killing only to clear you would offer me~as scum~any strategic advantage whatsoever, particularly over the chance to kill another player instead. While I think scum no killing to play around the mechanical clears makes sense sort of abstractly, I don't see how it makes sense for me specifically at all.

I guess this is tricky since I wasn't really actively pushing you yesterday, but I feel like that is probably related to why scum cleared you, but not why *I as scum* would clear you. If I am no longer pushing you actively, and if you get the towncred of a clear, then I can see why scum would think you would push me and have more momentum because obviously I look really shitty for having pushed you so much this game. For me to be scum this game, I would have had to have done the thing I would almost never do this game (prolong the game)... only to then randomly waste it by innoing you? Like I don't want to insult scum, I think I kinda get what they're going for here, but I think if I was me thinking of me being scum I think I'd have to think I was a dumbass lol

[Krazy]

Brings the question of why would Scum Krazy choose Tanner?
I think there was a mafia term for something like this but I can’t remember what it was

the term is wifom, which mastina coined to refer to "wine in front of me" in reference to the princess bride

but uhhh the amount of suicidal decisions I would have had to have made this game to be scum would be putting an awful lot of bank onto wifom to the point that I don't really see how the theoretical benefit would possibly outweigh the very tangible cost

[Krazy]

oh no now i wanna vote alisae

someone yell at me, is this an evil bear poisoning my thoughts

yeah I really don't see why prism replaces out because chara replaces out in a world of prism scum unless like, she felt sooooo bad about making chara mad at that point that she no longer wanted to play but if so why would she have gone through the weird clearing then fossing theater in the first place?

[Krazy]

krazy. if ur town why did the scum not just leave you and tanner unconf'd and let you 2 go at each other?

yeah that's definitely the question of the day. I think it's pretty clear that I am a necessary fight for their wincon. The other possibility would maybe be to foment paranoia regarding alisae? But if that was the case why not just dump it on a slot like tweet or something? The only thing that really comes to mind for me is making my slot look extra shitty

[Krazy]

Weren't the no-kills actually a tactical decision by scum to make our lives harder? I would say having an extra unconfirmed in Mylo and Xylo is a sizable advantage. You speak of it like it was not really that important, but I would like to point out it's the difference between us getting to kill 2/4 of us out versus 2/3. Scum needs to be in top two rather than be #1 now

no I agree, for other people it would make sense. I don't think it's no big deal or an unreasonable strategic choice. My point is more, why would that be more valuable than a kill for me as scum? Like given the amount of pressure my slot was under, I feel like killing someone who strongly suspected me would have made way more sense than giving town an extra fight and dragging the game out an entire extra day when -- strictly speaking, given the extent to which I dislike playing scum -- is not something I would ever enjoy doing. Like you play the game to have fun, and even if this is a play that 'make sense' it is not something that I would do because I don't like dragged out games, ESPECIALLY as scum

[Krazy]

this is what Nacho would probably do I think

I really don't think it's healthy for the game to deadsheep btw, I just think it makes the ghosts angry

[Krazy]

{tanner} - bruh my role pm is green
{tweet, lavender} - town because of deadline thing. more conclusive for tweet than for lavender. but eh.
{prism} - i refuse to believe this slot is scum. if this slot is scum i am going to cry so many tears post game.
{hectic} - this is my townblocc now. prism don't @ me.
{pooky} - i am vibing town!pooky. i just am.

my thoughts about pooky are ultimately what i said, I've seen him quite successfullly push misexecutes as scum, so i don't think we end up with elements flipped day one, and his case on ele is ultimately what made me okay voting there. i just don't think he's scum i guess? like it doesn't feel like it ~makes sense~.

sigh.

HURT: pooky

i hate literally everything about this end of day and this game. will check in on my break in 2 hours. if the game is not locked by then.

Maybe worth comparing Tanner on Pooky compared to Alisae on Pooky

vs.

If I'm compromising I would rather compromise on hectic then Pooky

im going to bed
HURT: hectic
i like this more then pooky because if krazy is wrong I at least get to hold him accountable for it.

like if pooky is scum, I suppose both Alisae and Tanner have both been willing to budge on Pooky. In that sense it's not clear he would have a clear motivation to inno one over the other in terms of protecting him (like, if pooky was hoping [the clear] would protect him, it would maybe make more sense for him to inno alisae over tanner], so that could maaaaybe be 1 point for town pooky but maybe more inconclusive?

idk, maybe a weird question but pooky do you think you saw tanner or alisae as townreading you more going into this day?

[Krazy]

i realized i dont want to die. im town. tanner save me pls

like if this is where pooky planned to go today, would it have made more sense for him inno alisae? or was the value of alisae paranoia too much greater then?

[Krazy]

Yeah that's a good point.

[Krazy]

Like, if this game is looked at from a very straightforward perspective, Pooky has kinda hit all the marks for what I would be expecting scum to do in this gamestate

like tanner was inno'd when it doesn't really make sense... and he kinda did a clear reach out to tanner

alisae was the most obvious mech clear and not clearing there would be to form paranoia... and he's kinda trying to suggest alisae might be scum

I guess it would surprise me a little that scum would be so brazen about it I guess?

For me the biggest issue is still Pooky defending me on day 2, since that was a point where I still could have been lynched and it's not really clear what benefit he got from that over compromising on Tayl0r, unless a relatively decent part of his strategy was in trying to pocket or at least position me as a townread.

Although I guess that would make sense if he wanted me to get lynched today but didn't want to be the one leading it? idk

[Krazy]

I feel like I've abstractly explained why pooky is scum but I still kinda don't want to believe it because back on day 2 I just felt like I was vibing with him

But I kinda feel like the game at least kinda makes sense if he's scum. I guess this is where I'm at right now anyway.

HURT: Pooky

[Krazy]

oh yeah I was thinking there was no risk of tanner speed hammering but I guess I should remind lavender that that is l1 and she should probably check in with tanner before voting at this point

[Krazy]

err, phrased that poorly, my bad. i meant "you had two scumreads, hectic and tanner. hectic flipped green. then the next day you had tanner leading the nacho wagon. why were you okay (4104) with that wagon going through?"

Ah, okay. I think that I answered that in my other response, namely that I was basically re-evaluating both of your slots, and Nacho's reads seemed bad in a scummy way. Obviously anything I can say on that read doesn't mean much given he was town, but people like Prism had made some pretty decent points about why you were town. And idk man, felt kinda worn down.

[Krazy]

###Uncolored Fights-only 1.3-1.8

Spoiler:

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.3
Hectic-------------------------- (4) Tayl0r Swift, CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8, catboi
beeboy-----------------------
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Krazy, Hectic
Prism -------------------------- (1) Lavender
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
catboi-------------------------- (2) beeboy, Prism
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ---------------------- (1) Tanner
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy-------------
Not Fighting: - (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.3
Hectic-------------------------- (3) Tayl0r Swift, Nachomamma8, catboi
beeboy----------------------- (1) CantLynchAPuppy
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Krazy, Hectic
Prism -------------------------- (1) Lavender
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
catboi-------------------------- (1) Prism
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ---------------------- (1) Tanner
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) beeboy
Not Fighting: - (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.4
Hectic-------------------------- (3) Tayl0r Swift, catboi, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (3) CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8, Morning Tweet
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Krazy, Hectic
Prism -------------------------- (1) Lavender
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Tanner
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) beeboy
Not Fighting: - (1) PookyTheMagicalBear


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.5
Hectic-------------------------- (3) Tayl0r Swift, catboi, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (3) CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8, Morning Tweet
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (1) Krazy
Prism -------------------------- (1) Lavender
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1) Hectic
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Tanner
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) beeboy
Not Fighting: - (1) PookyTheMagicalBear


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.6
Hectic-------------------------- (2) Tayl0r Swift, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (2) CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (1) Krazy
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (3) Hectic, catboi, Tanner
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Morning Tweet
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) beeboy
Not Fighting: - (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender


FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.7
Hectic-------------------------- (2) Tayl0r Swift, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (3) CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8, Hectic
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Krazy, catboi
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Morning Tweet
Lavender ---------------------- (1) Tanner
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy-------------
Not Fighting: - (3) PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender, beeboy

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.8
Hectic-------------------------- (1) Prism
beeboy----------------------- (4) Nachomamma8, Hectic, catboi , CantLynchAPuppy
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Krazy, Tayl0r Swift,
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) catboi
Lavender ---------------------- (1) Tanner
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy-------------
Not Fighting: - (3) PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender, beeboy

Looking at this point Tanner, I think it's worth observing that perhaps the chara-slot and beeboy cross-bussing for much of day creates challenges for a scum player. Pooky spends much of his time off-wagon. I could see this as a consequence of just not really knowing what to do with the CLAP/beeboy-slot crossbus, not wanting to build on the bussed wagons but also not wanting to promote a counter-wagon. In such a scenario sitting back might make sense.

We can see what other strategies would look like here. Prism, if scum, would have been going for a VCA-wifom inducing double up with beeboy on catboi in early game and then transitioning to a conventional counter-wagon on Hectic a bit later. From a VCA perspective, there's nothing here very town-clearing for Prism-slot, but based on Prism's later interactions with Chara I still don't really think that slot ever flips scum.

In a world of Tweet scum, Tweet basically decides that she's okay risking a solo-endgame between 1.3 and 1.4 by turning the beeboy wagon into the leading wagon, doubling up with CLAP, although I'd need to review that part of the game to see whether the Hectic wagon seemed to have momentum or looked likely to go through despite resistance since that was part of the pre-replace in stuff that's still a bit harder for me to remember.

Of these three worlds, I think Pooky does seem the easiest to see. Although I should double check that Tweet is telling the truth about disliking scum, the 1.5 vote would be surprising-ish for scum Tweet.

I do think you're right that Pooky not pushing a counter-wagon even when he was becoming a major wagon is odd for day 1, and concerning when the main counter-wagon in question is on scum.

[Krazy]

Krazy do you think I'm scum?

I would say right now I more hope you are scum than feel confident you are scum. But given the other candidates, it does seem like you're the best bet. This is the part of the game where sometimes it does just become "well none of these other people are scum, so you're scum I guess" even though you didn't really do anything wrong as scum and maybe did some things really right, particularly in how you approached my slot around my replace-in.

[Krazy]

If Prism was scum this game she must have decided at some point that this was going to be a game where she took the piss in a big way.

I mean, I've been burned, most notably by Nancy, as a hyper-posting scum. With big AtE as well. But Nancy put like a massive amount of effort into emotionally manipulating me specifically that game, and this game Prism just... felt like a town madlass

I probably should read some of her scum games anyway, but don't think I can get there tonight and anyway I think Alisae is kinda townie on er own at this point anyway so I don't have a huge motivation to rethink the slot I've been most confident on all game

*excuse possible double post, but seemed like board tried to eat this one so posting again

[Krazy]

whats 800+ posts supposed to mean?

if prism was scum she had unusually high wim, in the vein of boon, nancy, or other hyper-posting scum players (but if she is a typical polarized player, this should generally be town indicative)

[Krazy]

Prism could have pretended to lead the charge on a last second panic swap to Lavender and won the game off that. That's what I would've done prolly

I kinda feel like Prism could have led a charge onto anyone tbh

Like for Prism to be scum she must have seriously run out of steam when Chara replaced out because it's not like she did a typical scum replace out because her slot was under too much pressure

[Krazy]

the other line of thought I had was that lavender doesnt make sense as a clear because both Tweet and Prism are better clears than her so it wouldn't make sense to clear Lavender unless one of Tweet/Prism was scum.

like can't you just say tweet?

why does prism ever *do that* to Chara as scum? it's not like she got townread more by chara for it. it was just weird and confusing and totally lost but she thought it would give her a townread I guess?

I mean you could argue I'm asking the wrong question (why does prism do that as town?) but still, how does prism have a scum motivation in how she played days 2 and 3?

[Krazy]

1. I have almost 800 posts

2. Prism replaced out

like these are fine points but even then I'd be like "but Prism was very very different from her scumgame and Alisae also seems relatively consistent with er towngame"

[Krazy]

Also, I was under the impression they left because Nacho repped in. was i wrong abt that

is this true? is there a prism/nacho thing I should be aware of?

[Krazy]

i kinda wish i was it. that would be a happy ending

???

[Krazy]

Spoiler:

GENTLEMEN AND HERBS OF THE JURY

Evidence supporting Krazy is town:

but yeah, between the catboi kill, which was one of the only slots hard defending me, and the tanner clear, which seems to serve no purpose other than getting me fought today, I want to say basically every visible scum night action has either been to make my slot lynchable

Clap joins a three-deep wagon on me day 2 with the other scum already dead

like, I'm just town. I'm not actually sure who the last scum is, but I feel like if you think about what scum is trying to do this game you will realize that me getting fought is basically their top priority at this point since it's definitely necessary to them winning the game

also toss on Prism's redtea meta in like, 1581 and 2744 for example

And double toss on Krazy's irritated reaction to Tanner suspecting him. I live and die by the principle that people are more likely to say mean things they might regret if they at least feel justified in doing so. Scum would not unless they really thought they were being caught for the wrong reasons.

I've been thinking about this Tanner push from Krazy, and I get this feeling that scum!Krazy would be a lot more okay with pushing this harsh/slightly mean angle than town!Krazy. As scum, it's all for the sake of the game and fabricated, so no hard feelings. As town, I feel like he's less likely to attack Tanner using this angle unless he's extremely confident, since he'd feel worse about it in case he's wrong. but I don't think the reasons for his push should equate to him being extremely confident? Tanner's start of day 3 wall was so towny, because it was stream of consciousness posting, and really hard to fake as scum, but Krazy continued pushing there regardless.

I guess I take more of an opposite stance on this. I think Krazy wouldn't feel justified in being somewhat mean if he didnt feel like Tanner was genuinely trying to portray him poorly -- which implies that Krazy really is town that (somewhat emotionally in my opinion) believes Tanner is scum.

If Krazy is scum, then he knows Tanner is town who really does believe Krazy is overlooking what makes Tanner town (or whatever things might have upset him).

I suppose I just dont believe in fabricating being upset with someone and then justifying it because 'it's just for the sake of the game'. Not to say you can't do that, I just think itd be unfun and I'm willing to bet it happens far, far less often than the alternative. so all in all I feel town!Krazy would be much more likely to feel justified in getting angry than scum!Krazy would feel justified in feigning it.

Evidence supporting Pooky is scum:

Today is planned out in such a way that gives Pooky a fighting chance of winning. The spares help for an easy Krazy elim. Lav gives him a free vote tomorrow. Alisae is trying eir hardest to be suspicious and Pooky is throwing extra suspicion there despite voting for Krazy first.

Pooky did not hard-bus Elements don't let him tell you otherwise, he only committed after Ele was already dead. Granted he distanced from Ele, but catboi (and to a lesser extent redtea) were always higher value targets until Elements was dead meat.

I went through Pooky's entire ISO and did not find conclusive evidence he is town. I can do this for every other player but not Pooky.

Evidence supporting Pooky is town:

Ear flops!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (disclaimer: im being bribed to include this)

Evidence supporting Krazy is scum:

.

.

.

Can I get a refresher on why Krazy is scum? Pooky sure doesn't know. He's off being concerned about Prism i think

I'm just going to throw out that for Tweet to be scum, Tweet would have to be ready to lynch me tomorrow after this post

like... I think it's just Pooky?

[Krazy]

No idea I just thought someone mentioned that. In any case I don't think the replacement has anything to do with Prism's WIM, cause it was huge and from what I can tell that is NOT scum Prism. And I generally am not really wanting to entertain Prism.

Pooky on the other hand has to if he's scum here. Unless he wants to knock out both Hectic and his #1 townread in me that he previously stated he will be sheeping. That would be ruthless!

like don't get me wrong

scum prism can post

I think abandonedgame had like, 200? I'd have to go check. but she's not *hyper polarized*

but she wasn't constantly re-evaluating, pushing solo wagons with high conviction, like the *content* of the posts from her scum game are what most strike me as different

[Krazy]

replacing into a Prismslot who posted 800+ times and is scum?
That sounds like the easiest game of my life

dont u f'n wifom me alisae

[Krazy]

*looks around carefully*

*flops ears*

[Krazy]

Pooky you will always be town irl

[Krazy]

Pooky it's time for real talk

-did you see borat
-do you watch american animation
-top three albums

[Krazy]

You never saw Borat 1?

Was not expecting the acoustic piano album. Very nice :3

Curious about the Hayley album, if you prefer the Japanese versions, why didn't you link them? Or do you still like that more as an album since it puts them altogether, even though it's not the version you prefer?

Definitely agreed on Disney/Pixar. I think I saw everything up through 2012 from Pixar, didn't see Monsters U, Good Dinosaur, and I think I stopped like 15 minutes into Coco because the plane landed but some of them were fantastic, particularly Inside Out and Wall-E.

Here's 3 for you!

Siames - Bounce into the Music


Probably kinda cheating, but I really like this mix for when I'm gaming or doing other stuff


And then this has been earworming me even though I don't speak a lick of korean

[Krazy]

Man it's been so long since I saw Borat 1 I barely even remember it, I remember the feeling of it being funny but I have no idea how well its humor would work on me today. I just saw Borat 2 last night and it was... sorta funny, I think I was going to make a point that deciding which people were actors and which were real people would be a bit like playing mafia but I don't remember where I was going with that

That song is absolutely lovely :3

My tastes in Japanese music are a bit more energetic, the version of which I've actually been watching most frequently being:

Spoiler:

don't @me to play the game I'm absolute trash at it

[Krazy]

I just love you man and it seems like you're down

like, basically, you would need to sell me on like... tweet being scum

and I kinda just don't see that happening

I kinda think you're probably scum, but honestly it doesn't matter, you're one of the coolest people I've met on this site recently and I really enjoy hanging out with you no matter what your alignment is

At this point I've lost and won enough games on this site for stupid enough reasons if you're town, you do not need to feel like you are like, letting me down. If you had some sort of meta game from Prism that was like "oh yeah shit maybe she can do craaaaaaazy shit as scum" or if you had a wild scum game from tweet that showed she could have the kind of will and chutzpah to be scum this game then that would maybe make me refresh my will to do like a deep meta dive

but like vca, hectic's reads, poe all kinda makes me think you just rolled scum. that doesn't mean you're a bad person, but I'd rather just hang out with you anyway for a while at this point while the rest of the town decides what to do lol

[Krazy]

ftr Isis I love the flavor <3

[Krazy]

Are you really still struggling to find me town this game Alisae?

[Krazy]

do you not think the game ends with Pooky?

[Krazy]

I think the game ends after one of you dies

okay but you haven't formulated a preference at this point?

[Krazy]

Can we just slide those votes on over to krazy

why do I need to?

so... what are you doing then?

[Krazy]

why are you being so cagey? you seem to be acting like you don't think pooky ends the game but you're not giving any indication as to why?

[Krazy]

Board seems to sure drop a lot more posts than it used to

[Krazy]

0.o

[Krazy]

Probably die from the sounds of things

If not, I guess some hard meta dives

[Krazy]

is something going on here that goes beyond this game?

[Krazy]

no i don't really wanna talk about it though I just want the script to play out

wtf does this mean?

[Krazy]

If the game goes into night and we find out that krazy was town, then I can safely say that the rest of the events that happen in this game are scripted

okay but why are you not trying to solve the game, why are you acting as though you have no preference but want me, like I don't get what you're doing here at all

[Krazy]

VOTE: Alisae

wtf are you talking about? We have two lynches, you acting bizarre as shit and then saying "I don't wanna talk about it" doesn't cut it

[Krazy]

nobody's really solving at this point

Tanner is clearly still solving, me and Tweet seem to be pretty much on the same page, you seem totally lost, and Alisae seems like e's playing an entirely different game which is throwing me off

[Krazy]

Prism has 800+ posts sorry you can't wagon me <3

like, I think your slot is town, and it seems like you're trying to be as obnoxious as humanly possible and doing everything possible to degrade that read as much as you can

I don't care about 800 posts whatsoever. That's not even 4 digits. I don't think someone is locktown until they hit 5

Prism did some very townie things but I don't see how you randomly being obtuse is helping town reach consensus on a solve

[Krazy]

i actually know what alisae is doing so I think alisae is locktown here lol

making the thread harder to read?

[Krazy]

I've also seen you play town before and generally you don't actively make me annoyed with you for literally no reason

[Krazy]

Is any1 other than Datisi still re-reading :3

I thought you were trying to avoid getting fought? What's your goal with this comment?

[Krazy]

I literally explain it in the next post dude

????? that is your next post after the one I quoted

[Krazy]

Pooky if your goal is to get people to re-evaluate your slot or the game, egging Alisae on during er tantrum is not going to do very much for me

[Krazy]

votes dont count dude

like this might actually be your scummiest post yet?

[Krazy]

Pooky if your goal is to get people to re-evaluate your slot or the game, egging Alisae on during er tantrum is not going to do very much for me

you are nitpicking and biased
i win baibai

what is my nitpick?

what is my bias?

[Krazy]

I know something that other people don't know and I don't want to let anyone know what it is what I know.

yeah

you know I literally don't even take this slot if it's scum

you know I know Isis, and you know I hate scum

you know I was on a six month hiatus and had no reason to come back unless I could get a town game in

you know I replace out well before now if I am scum, even if I took the slot in the first place, which I wouldn't

so why are we having this conversation?

[Krazy]

of everyone, you are the one who should MOST know I am town here, because I have replaced out between 1-3 day phases in every game where I've been scum with you in the game unless I'm forgetting daycount in the vs. game

and you're imagining that I *add* an extra day to this game?

honestly of everyone here, I feel like you should have me above Tweet given what you know about my scum meta

[Krazy]

My purpose in this game right now is to railroad Krazy as that will lead to eliminating all of the scum regardless of what his alignment actually is and doing so in this manor yields the best chances of winning

so this literally has nothing to do with this game and you're just trying to turn a civil game into something less?

[Krazy]

does krazy actually replace out of all his scum games

avoiding breaking the spirit of site rules is literally why I have 3,000 alts

I don't even mean to, but even games with a strong group incentive to keep me in the game like team mafia or alisae vs pine, where I have exceptional teams, I just hate too much and leave

I try not to draw attention to that fact because it's not really something I'm proud of and I don't really like it being considered as part of my meta, but it is something Alisae should know which is why I'm just... at a loss for what e's doing right now

[Krazy]

Yeah I know something about the gamestate that I'll reveal tomorrow too when it doesn't happen

[Krazy]

lol ok

[Krazy]

how?

[Krazy]

I feel like the only person being disruptive in f4 is you Ali

[Krazy]

I said I could see a possible reason for why Alisae is doing this.

but what was that reason?

[Krazy]

Is any1 other than Datisi still re-reading :3

Is any1 other than Datisi still re-reading :3

I thought you were trying to avoid getting fought? What's your goal with this comment?

I literally explain it in the next post dude

I literally explain it in the next post dude

????? that is your next post after the one I quoted

also want to know what was going on here

[Krazy]

also want to know what was going on here

I misremembered my post

I was talking about 4573

okay but that still kind of doesn't answer my question

are you satisfied with that gamestate? why is there a smilie at the end of that post lol

[Krazy]

HURT: no one

looks like I need to evaluate this tomorrow afternoon

[Krazy]

You can reject a role pm when you see it. It's called a shoshin clause.

[Krazy]

Again, it's not something I expect other people to evaluate. I only was asking alisae about it because e knows, it's why e did not pick me in titus v. Alisae, because e knows how much I hate scum