Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[SirCakez]

that's not accurate at all

[SirCakez]

Nahdia, you know how mafia players pretend like they know whats going on in the game completely but they actually don't?

people like me!

@Diamond

- what reads do you even have?

Big Dethy Room in the Sky - Locktown. Not allowed to touch those (as much as I'd love to, pertaining to Jake. Speaking of which, where's Jake? I just realized I've not been filled with seething annoyance for too long)
Bell - Null!Scum. Had a couple things here and there that I do not care much for.
Cabd - Scum. My gut has only gotten worse since the whole fiasco on day 1. Although there was something about a mason above? With a dethy, I don't believe that the set-up would have both a dethy and masons. Still, can someone explain later?
midwaybear - Null!town. I'm apprehensive about how readily he's agreeing with me, but I can't point to anything more worrisome.
Cakez - Null. Not a null in a "I can't read him", but a null in "it can go either way". Some stuff I really like, but his interactions with the dethy and a couple others. have been.... interesting.
S_S - Surprisingly null!town. one of my stronger towns, but I'm not putting anyone in actual town because that tier is reserved for haha funny dethy-land.
Alisae - Null. Don't like your fixation on me, but I can't scumread you for that. You're doing your job. Some stuff has rubbed me the wrong way, but hey, that applies to most.
peta - null (slight town leanings, but not null!town). Constant dry humor doesn't off-put me here, so that's good, but other than that, I've seen some things that make me scratch my head. Specifically that their iso is almost entirely questions with a couple of observations. Not much that they've personally postulated. Nothing worrisome, but I keep them on my mind.
Pooky - /shrug. Don't remember them posting aside from snarking and the D1 cringeRP.
Bulge - /shrug. This is what sparked this.
Gamma - I... wish I had more. I haven't gained much on them, but this is really my last

true

gut read. Something doesn't sit right with me about them. I doubt that trying to come up with justification from the thread would work because my unconscious mind is not great.
Nahdia - Still think they're scum.

this may be one of the worst readslists I've ever seen. literally NULL ON EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR A SR ON CONFTOWN

Cabd and SS are also masons

Yeah that was what I was talking about.

I don't believe that. I do not believe for a second that there is one pair of masons with the dethy, much less two.

I also don't believe that you guys are all four scum because that's stupid. What I

do

believe is that this is a super "fun" inside joke (or this game is secretly bastard).

what??? your solution to this is either the world's dumbest mafia inside joke or FG (one of the most tenured and respected mods on MS) is breaking site rules????

i would just like to note the tack cakez takes here of attacking DS for his wacko reads until he sees that people don't find DS scummy for it and so he backs down in later posts

@Cabd this is what I was saying is not accurate

[SirCakez]

@Cabd this is what I was saying is not accurate

how's it not accurate?

I never said I found the reads scummy. Really bad and illogical yeah but that's sort of normal from DS which is why I said to Alisae I had no clue if it was townie or not.

[SirCakez]

well the post came across that way (i don't think you clarified) and it tends to be that scum attack people for things like having bad/loopy reads rather than

scummy

reads, you know? like with no immediate defense of diamind it felt like an attempt at a pile-on

I understand why you read it like that but that was not my intention
If I wanted to pile-on DS I would have done it ages ago

[SirCakez]

On a scale of 0 to 10 how dead am I this day phase?

Hopefully 10!

[SirCakez]

if people are wondering why I'm suddenly so aggressive on Bell it's because I find his posting over the last few pages obscenely scummy
his attitude seems so fake and his acknowledgement of basically making up reads also reeks

[SirCakez]

Can we do Bell please? Gamma and Bulge can wait.

[SirCakez]

if people are wondering why I'm suddenly so aggressive on Bell it's because I find his posting over the last few pages obscenely scummy
his attitude seems so fake and his acknowledgement of basically making up reads also reeks

How has he “acknowledged making up reads”? And even if he did, I don’t think how he did it was scummy.

I meant how he was accused of using OMGUS to find scum reads and just went "yeah"

[SirCakez]

I can go through Bulge's big attack post on me this page but honestly it seems kind of pointless because I don't think he's gonna change his mind on this particular interaction.

[SirCakez]

what about Bell though

[SirCakez]

why not turbo wagon him?

[SirCakez]

what are you referring to midway?

[SirCakez]

I was thinking this and this: 3229 and 3248.
I'm fine with going Bell if you still think his scummy-ness extends beyond though.

I mean I feel bad for Bell but I don't think that totally explains his scumminess here

[SirCakez]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS

[SirCakez]

if people are wondering why I'm suddenly so aggressive on Bell it's because I find his posting over the last few pages obscenely scummy
his attitude seems so fake and his acknowledgement of basically making up reads also reeks

How has he “acknowledged making up reads”? And even if he did, I don’t think how he did it was scummy.

I meant how he was accused of using OMGUS to find scum reads and just went "yeah"

That makes a little more sense but I still don't really find it scummy.

how is it not?

I can go through Bulge's big attack post on me this page but honestly it seems kind of pointless because I don't think he's gonna change his mind on this particular interaction.

lol cakez where's your spine

im busy dude I don't have time to respond to big-ass posts where nobody cares what I'd say anyways
and also this is not the kind of post to make more inclined to respond

[SirCakez]

nobody cares what I'd say anyways

what gives you that impression? before you said you wouldn't be able to change

my

mind by responding, no mention of the onlookers.

are you seeing anyone else ask me to respond to your post?
the only person who even noticed was DS who said I was justified not responding lol

[SirCakez]

I have no scumreads.

this is scummy

nobody cares what I'd say anyways

what gives you that impression? before you said you wouldn't be able to change

my

mind by responding, no mention of the onlookers.

are you seeing anyone else ask me to respond to your post?
the only person who even noticed was DS who said I was justified not responding lol

so you would engage if someone else asked?

DS also called all 4 masons scum so don't pull that card lmao

depending who, yes
Yeah I'm not putting much merit into DS here, thus my "lol"

[SirCakez]

WAKE UP ALISAE THIS IS NO LAUGHING MATTER

[SirCakez]

[Bell, Gamma, Nahdia, Bulge]
pick

[SirCakez]

I still think the way DS handled being wrong sucked but scratch the adoption of another's points thing I was pushing, that was a complete mistake

what experience do you have with him?

[SirCakez]

nothing recent, why

because what you're describing is just DS being DS
I don't think its some scum master gambit to destroy the town block

[SirCakez]

VOTE: bulge
Whatever Bell can wait at least there's an actual wagon forming

[SirCakez]

can people who have Bulge in their SR pool vote him so we can move along kthx

[SirCakez]

This again Cakez?

???

can people who have Bulge in their SR pool vote him so we can move along kthx

clears suffering paralysis by analysis + too many heads and no one stepping up to lead, i don't think many more unclear players are going to vote here? nahdia isn't going to vote there, bell probably won't, idk what midway is doing, i should harangue him into voting

This is why I want to flip and progress I feel we cannot develop much more from today

[SirCakez]

Wow on second reading VOTE: 3266 is just awful
Literally SRing everyone in the elim pool

[SirCakez]

That was supposed to be a post tag not a vote tag

[SirCakez]

nothing recent, why

because what you're describing is just DS being DS
I don't think its some scum master gambit to destroy the town block

I was figuring you’d say that.

By the way, what do you make of my reaction when I realized I’d misread DS’ posting?

what are you referring to?

im townreading peta, scumreading DS, Cakez is hard because i feel he's been really uncharitable and unfair in his read of me but ive tunneled townies with that feeling before.

bell im wary of bc our last game together he snowed me so hard that i ended up accidentally killing him in the process of trying to save him and then felt like a big dummy when he flipped scum. there was some stuff with how he interacted with alisae recently that just didnt feel right to me, like it wasnt the sort of thing town would bother doing. he says he externally believes all claims to bait scum into shooting them but in the same breath talks about how wary he is of alisae's status as a clear.

uuuuhhh who'd i miss. midwaybear is still townie. gamma i need to actually read.

I would hardly describe my push on you as a tunnel; I'm voting Bulge rn and would also do Bell before you
I will say I am beginning to feel you are stuck on this DS push because you are worried about being POEd out and so you need a ML

[SirCakez]

i didnt describe your push as a tunnel.

ah I thought you were from how that was worded

i will say i am beginning to feel you are searching for the least charitable interpretation possible of everything i do. like, why cant i just be scumreading DS? why should i have reconsidered at this point if im town?

it may be that I'm confirmation biased here which is why I keep asking for other people's interpretations and no one is really stepping up

[SirCakez]

choo choo motherfuckers

[SirCakez]

@Cakez re: 3571 I mean the way I reeled back and took a break from pushing my reads.

I understand that; can you point to some posts that are examples of this?

I literally only ever say that as town.
I’ve claimed responsibility for a wagon 3 times pre flip.
All 3 times scum.
But in reality scum for the wrong reasons once.
So 2 and a half.

@Nahdia, could you clarify what bothers you about those strings of posts I made

isn't this a trust tell??????

DS is aggressive this game.
DS is aggressive as scum.
is DS aggressive as town? i dunno, maybe. but even if he is, his aggression isnt a reason to townread him.

Cakez has been saying DS is aggressive as town for some time now.

I've been saying he's always aggressive, not just as town

midwaybear please

I'm probably getting vigged.

why you over other scummy people like Bell or Nahdia?

gamma sliding to town and nahdia towards scum
don't go putting trust in my peta read
cakez scum
vig ds for the love of god
everyone else same level of nullscum. hopefully yall can sort through that, i don't see a lot of consensus in thread rn.

scummy as shit still lol. scumreading the entire elim pool except Gamma.

[SirCakez]

can the conftown like do something kthx

[SirCakez]

Cakez, I get if Bulge scumreading the whole pool is scummy if presented as a normal readslist. Considering these are perhaps his legacy reads, is it still scummy then?

yeah I think so especially because I don't think this elim is guaranteed yet too much hesitance from the conftown

why you over other scummy people like Bell or Nahdia?

It seems like I have bad interactions with Bulge and I'm also not trying to play the game.

so you're assuming Bulge red flip?
I would argue Bell is not really trying to play either.

isn't this a trust tell??????

no? wtf

I thought saying "I only do x as this alignment" constituted a trust tell

[SirCakez]

What about compulsive self day-vig Cabd?

[SirCakez]

I see

[SirCakez]

Why point this out to me so aggressively?

[SirCakez]

I see

Why point this out to me so aggressively?

I thought you might have input on it based on past experience with you. The fact you don’t is probably a plus for your alignment being town though.

I mean I don't think it looks bad for you
But I question your intentions here given you asked me to look at it more than once. Like you're fishing for towncred off of it.

[SirCakez]

Let's stay on Bulge though

[SirCakez]

pew pew pew

[SirCakez]

also there's no world where i dont self hammer here as scum but idk if we're past that point already

This is not true

[SirCakez]

Why would Bulge self hammer here when he has a chance of getting out of the elim

[SirCakez]

MY POINT IS MADE ON THIS PAGE!!!!

[SirCakez]

Gamma isn't even townie but this wagon fucking sucks

[SirCakez]

the make up of the two main wagons is kinda troubling.

I think that it's possible some of the non-masons have better reads because they have the typical game perspective of "in/out of elim-pool based on my play". That's a channel of info that's mostly lacking in the Gamma wagon.

It's conceivable that either wagon could be entirely town-driven. But there has to be at least one scum on one of the two main wagons.

For there to be scum in the Gamma wagon either Bulge is scum or one of the conftowns is actually scum somehow
What are you suggesting?

[SirCakez]

I can't fucking believe Bulge wormed his way out of this one
And people were asking me why I thought he wouldn't self-hammer in that situation

[SirCakez]

maybe not permanently but at the moment I'd say he has

[SirCakez]

VOTE: nahdia

the superior counterwagon, thank you ffery. this even goes back a touch further than the gamma blitz with bell's initial vote, and already has two unconfirmeds on it, plus i wouldnt dare claim my vote as self-preservation at this point.

I don't particularly find self-preservation votes scummy because really who wouldn't, but I'm not sure how I feel about how easily and readily he jumped to gamma, when the last thing he said about gamma was the he was sliding to town, and then left.

I would much rather nahdia if that is something that can still happen, but yea what would you do in my situation if you knew you were town, and four people you also know are town vote someone you're not really sure about within a minute of each other?

i wont complain about being in the pool but ill whine if im shot

VOTE: gamma

ily guys

pce was fun playing

Yeah but he fed them AtE like this

[SirCakez]

That was after Bulge had 5 votes on him

....yeah that's my point?

[SirCakez]

showing emotion is not the same as appealing to emotion im seeing words like grovel tossed around pretty unfairly. i dont think any reasonable perspective of the thread would see me as pleading for my survival or whatever the implication is

you don't need to be "pleading for survival" for it to be AtE
I wasn't the one who said this but I agree that grovel is unfair
you're still scum though

[SirCakez]

can someone hammer

[SirCakez]

fucking finally

[SirCakez]

fucking finally

This is an odd reaction

Why? I've already been annoyed by the constant wagon switching and kerfuffling by the conftown for a while.

[SirCakez]

That said if the town in the pool could kindly stop having weird ass fucking reactions to objectively misplayed results? That would be swell.

What does this even mean

[SirCakez]

Maybe
I've been fooled by it before and he seems like the type to bs about it

[SirCakez]

I don't usually buy post-hammer stuff in general

[SirCakez]

Like it doesn't even make sense for me to out as scum post hammer because then you're giving town info and time to work with it

[SirCakez]

i have nothing else to contribute here lol

[SirCakez]

Fucking called Bell
Be here later very busy today

[SirCakez]

getting frutsrated with this game because it feels like my reads are actually decent for once but I'm getting attacked for them

[SirCakez]

getting frutsrated with this game because it feels like my reads are actually decent for once but I'm getting attacked for them

BULGE SCUM
NAHDIA SCUM
ME SCUM

and I was right about Taylor and Bell
Nahdia is TBD
my batting average is usually like 1/10 so this is good for me yeah?

[SirCakez]

and you've been fucking putting me down all game with your conftown status without even explaining why my shit is scummy except for one-liners and it's obnoxious as hell

[SirCakez]

Pedit2: Also I just remembered that Cakez saying that Bulge almost AtE’d out of being the lynch is just so bad

like you never even explained this you just said it was "so terrible!!!!"

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Bell

imma make bread over winter break I think I will try that recipe ffery
anyone else notice that Bell's posting reads super differently from his earlier stuff?

I’m just waiting for someone to have a shitty vote other than cakes with his trejectory issue where he looked like he got permission to vote me and so he did.

I wasn't "waiting for permission" I voted you because of the Hi There post

Join the Bell wagon choo choo

Bell is just making up reads I think

On a scale of 0 to 10 how dead am I this day phase?

Hopefully 10!

if people are wondering why I'm suddenly so aggressive on Bell it's because I find his posting over the last few pages obscenely scummy
his attitude seems so fake and his acknowledgement of basically making up reads also reeks

Can we do Bell please? Gamma and Bulge can wait.

what about Bell though

I was thinking this and this: 3229 and 3248.
I'm fine with going Bell if you still think his scummy-ness extends beyond though.

I mean I feel bad for Bell but I don't think that totally explains his scumminess here

[Bell, Gamma, Nahdia, Bulge]
pick

VOTE: bulge
Whatever Bell can wait at least there's an actual wagon forming

how can you say you didn't see my Bell push

[SirCakez]

what about Bell's play yesterday makes sense

[SirCakez]

what about Bell's play yesterday makes sense

he was a scum suicide bomber

my point stands

[SirCakez]

too tired for posting will be here tomorrow

[SirCakez]

I am reading along but I can't put together a post rn just fyi if you see me online.

[SirCakez]

Self conscious much?

cake also did not see what people saw during first bell push and joined the push on cabd and pushed back on my disagreement with DS's reasons for cabd scum.

yeah that is definitely self conscious; I've been trying to decide if it means anything lol i'm like the queen of the self-conscious so don't know how much to read in other people heh

Bulge accused me of active lurking so yes lol

[SirCakez]

Self conscious much?

cake also did not see what people saw during first bell push and joined the push on cabd and pushed back on my disagreement with DS's reasons for cabd scum.

yeah that is definitely self conscious; I've been trying to decide if it means anything lol i'm like the queen of the self-conscious so don't know how much to read in other people heh

Bulge accused me of active lurking so yes lol

Who do you think bells partners are?

I still haven't had the chance to reevaluate because I've been so fucking busy the past few days with school. I still think Nahdia is scummy but since Gamma and Bulge flipped town there must be at least one scum elsewhere. Probably midway and/or DS (if I'm wrong on Nahdia)

[SirCakez]

can someone present an argument for a five scum game here? Because I saw that come up and it sounds absurd to me

[SirCakez]

cakez who do you want to hang today?

Prolly Nahdia

can someone present an argument for a five scum game here? Because I saw that come up and it sounds absurd to me

no? also why the hell is this the most important thing for you to ask about right now

Who cares dude? We aren't in a big rush here. This is just nitpicking.

[SirCakez]

I've talked about my SR on Nahdia already a lot

[SirCakez]

DS looks worse today but not enough to the point he's my #1 choice

[SirCakez]

Because it's true Midway? I can get more in-depth into it but I'm busy and it's just rehashing what I've already said.

[SirCakez]

My basic gist is that Nahdia wasn't even trying early game before the conftowns reveal which is scum indicative and afterwards they seem overly defensive and worried about how they are viewed (see the overreaction to the push from DS)

[SirCakez]

I've been giving DS the playstyle pass all game but I am reconsidering it now just due to the sheer small size of the suspect pool

[SirCakez]

that's what I'm unsure about
I think either Midway or DS
not like the pool is very big
DS's play has been bad all game but like I just said I'm not sure I can attribute that to playstyle anymore
But Midway has been bothering me today with his potshots from the side

[SirCakez]

I haven't looked into relations between Nahdia and those two yet
soon.tbd

[SirCakez]

so you think DS/Nahdia is scum-theater?

literally read my next post

I haven't looked into relations between Nahdia and those two yet
soon.tbd

lol what

i'm fucking busy I've said this like 100000 times

[SirCakez]

I was gonna reread sometime this week

[SirCakez]

I feel for sure there has to be at least one scum between DS/Nahdia

[SirCakez]

I do but I'm not sure what to think about it
which is why I want to reread.....

[SirCakez]

say why or go away

[SirCakez]

ok go away then

[SirCakez]

you seem to be incapable of articulating anything in your pushes

[SirCakez]

inb4 e says "i just don't want to xD xD xD xD"

[SirCakez]

this is making me irrationally annoyed

[SirCakez]

the worst part about mafia is you never get the "you're an idiot/i told you so" moment when you elim scum or get miselimmed by dumbass town because someone is dead and can't talk in the main thread

[SirCakez]

twilight doesn't work because you don't know the flip of the person for sure

[SirCakez]

That's true, but it still has an effect to some extent. TBH, I don't really think Alisae would care that much even if you were town so...

no I don't either which makes it even worse
i hate when people don't care....

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Nahdia

[SirCakez]

your posts reminded me i wasn't voting anyone

[SirCakez]

i don't have a strong objection to DS being the elim

[SirCakez]

who are the conftowns?

[SirCakez]

I know Alisae, Tammy and Jake are. Isn't there another one?

[SirCakez]

are we even real?

[SirCakez]

ok so the pool is literally [peta, nahdia, ds, midway] (and me I guess from your perspectives) wow

[SirCakez]

hmm if only someone who insisted on a Bell wagon hadn't been ignored....

[SirCakez]

yeah you

really

wanted that one, didn't you

I don't know what you expected from that post

[SirCakez]

I don't really get why people are hung up on that but ok
I like getting SRs right

[SirCakez]

people should vote so we can actually see where everyone stands

[SirCakez]

I don't understand why you wouldn't vote Nahdia after reading the Nahdia section of your analysis

[SirCakez]

The sheer lack of interaction between them looks more partner indicative to me

[SirCakez]

hm ok

[SirCakez]

people should vote so we can actually see where everyone stands

[SirCakez]

people should vote so we can actually see where everyone stands

I don't think anyone is changing their mind here

[SirCakez]

urgh

intent to hammer

I guess I don't see this wagon going any other way

[SirCakez]

has he claimed?

[SirCakez]

yeah what
why would you not claim that at game start

[SirCakez]

VOTE: diamond

[SirCakez]

peta your new avatar is giving me the creeps

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

probably would have gone better if Taylor didn't play terribly and get herself elimmed day 1
then the paranoia would be have been horrible in the dethy

[SirCakez]

is the game over? there has to be more scum right?

[SirCakez]

this confirms my game-long theory that scum were apathetic...

[SirCakez]

mmm if game isn't over I'm guessing it has to be Nahdia judging from the last two pages

[SirCakez]

mmm someone is playing coy

[SirCakez]

Not sure honestly
I don't think Peta and you piling on makes sense here as scum
Nahdia never actually voted Diamond

[SirCakez]

not necessarily
they could elimmed me
or potentially midway

[SirCakez]

Should the Dethy out results at this point?

[SirCakez]

Yeah I guess the Dethy can hold off one more day since Tammy will have docs on her
It's between (Nahdia, Peta, midway, myself)

[SirCakez]

I really just think it's Nahdia

[SirCakez]

I really just think it's Nahdia

Can you talk about why you think it’s nahdia?

Everything I said yesterday stands + they didn't vote DS + their interactions with DS post flip yesterday look the fakest

[SirCakez]

If not Nahdia it's probably midway

[SirCakez]

Nvm it has to be midway

[SirCakez]

This game isn't bastard there can't be a GF

[SirCakez]

oh wait no GF isn't bastard
I still don't think it makes sense with this setup

[SirCakez]

VOTE: nahdia

[SirCakez]

Cakez, why doesn't it make sense?

Because the Dethy and Millers already wreck results enough
And look at what has flipped from mafia two suicide bombers and a traitor how does GF fit in that

[SirCakez]

What actually really confuses me is why Cakez still has some fight in him considering this game is just super doomed for him and there’s no way he’s getting out of this hole but he’s probably just stubborn or something idunno let’s kill him anyways because I want to have that feels good moment when he flips scum

Imagine being this delusional

[SirCakez]

HMM I WONDER WHY THE PLAYER WHO I AM SURE IS SCUM IS NOT ACTING LIKE SCUM WOULD IN THEIR POSITION
WHAT A STRANGE MYSTERY

[SirCakez]

Idk at this point town will win for sure at this point so I will win

[SirCakez]

Idc* not idk

[SirCakez]

My thoughts on sir cakez is that yeah he looks about as textbook partner as DS did. He had a good push on Taylor, which was good. But he didn't really see what was wrong with bell day one and defended DS days one and two. Those aren't terrible points against him because others did too, and he did push Bell on day two and was very vocal about that, but he also did use peta's push on bulge to go after him, and I do hate the reads lists push. None of that is a smoking gun because that could come from town too. My main issue is yesterday and his lack of really trying to find bell's partner. He just basically has been very static on it being nahdia, which okay is fine also, but the thing that bothered me is that he didn't have any concern about DS being bussed yesterday, just nope it's nahdia, and I don't like his argument against her for not voting. I mean no concern that it's midway bear, who did have some weirdish interaction with bell and DS day one. Bell had an odd townread on DS early day one for his rvs argument after thinking he was probably scum. It just felt like he wasn't looking at the entire picture and what was available but rather what he thought he could push maybe? IDK

I thought it weird that he also wasn't concerned about peta, who also had a back and forth with bell, and started scum hunting the DS wagon day two, and part of his bulge push was made stronger because he was voting DS who peta had called town. Why wouldn't it concern him that his bell and DS interactions could also be scum indicative?

This isn't bet the game on sir cakez being scum because I guess this could come from town too. I'll laugh if it's midway bear, whose tossing out there that peta could be a godfather could be a setup for tomorrow? Could be town paranoia. Though what I was starting with is that it would be funny if it's him because it will just be another instance of me thinking scum seem *fine* and kinda forgetting about them until a few days in.

With nahdia I think I've just gotten over my concern there, which will also be funny if I was right early. But I don't necessarily think the argument with diamond is all that clearing. I just think it would be odd for their scum tactic to play dumb with not knowing how day one turned out and the dethy, and then tmi Diamond Sentinel's mindset though it's not entirely implausible.

Those were my night thoughts. Didn't have thoughts for alisae and pooky because I expected them to be dead.

I just have not seen a need to reevaluate here because Peta and Midway read pretty town to me so I don't feel a need to push them. Why should I need to widen my scum pool here?
Peta has read town to me all game and his push on DS yesterday only strengthened it.
Meanwhile like I've said Nahdia behaved like I'd expect scum to around that wagon

[SirCakez]

why would you be sure town is going to win if you think it is Nahdia?

I thought we had 3 elims left?

[SirCakez]

I'm assuming Peta is conftown here

[SirCakez]

hmmm ok that not promising...
I have to look into midway more

[SirCakez]

I already said I don't think scum would be bussing DS here because they needed the numbers to win and they could have pushed elsewhere

[SirCakez]

The strongest argument against Nahdia-DS is that argument they had but that could have been scum theatre. Not likely I'll grant but I feel it's more likely then Midway scum

[SirCakez]

at least pre-reevaluation

[SirCakez]

Like either midway hard bussed DS or DS-Nahdia was scum theatre

[SirCakez]

Sure

[SirCakez]

soooo you're saying it's you then?

[SirCakez]

what is the case for it not being Nahdia aside from the scum theatre argument

[SirCakez]

why don't we put all the Dethy results in the open at this point

[SirCakez]

midway's play here is just baffling to me if scum because he's defending Nahdia which would make HIM the scum from my POV (barring Peta GF shenanigans)

[SirCakez]

so maybe he's not scum then.

so then it's you?
like its you or him from my POV here

[SirCakez]

midway's play here is just baffling to me if scum because he's defending Nahdia which would make HIM the scum from my POV (barring Peta GF shenanigans)

I mean it's not like people are going to listen to you really. If I was scum, my reads here would be similar.

i mean if I do end up getting elimmed here then people will see what I was talking about

[SirCakez]

^

[SirCakez]

I assume Alisae will hammer me here

[SirCakez]

I don't really have more to add. I think it's Nahdia over Midway. I don't think we should go hunting down the road of Peta GF.

[SirCakez]

I don't feel like I can convince people to back off at this point

[SirCakez]

bless this mess

[SirCakez]

DGB is some kind of scumhunting god

[SirCakez]

if you dont realize what you did wrong this game then idek what to say

like, day 4 in particular when we eliminated cakez out of a dirth of other options. that didnt have to happen at all. if you had retracted your claim that day, the game might have ended then!

The fact that you are still justifying it speaks to your lack competence and integrity and means you can’t be trusted.

You don’t realize and accept you were wrong which means you’ll do it again.

[SirCakez]

My big problem with the "gambit" or whatever is that you put your own reads (which were completely terrible) above everyone else's reads and nearly cost everyone the game. It was a super egotistical move and you don't even seem to realize it...

[SirCakez]

If Alisae didn't fakeclaim it's like 80% likely that Pooky would have just been elimmed day 4

[SirCakez]

It worked out fine because DGB was a good player
What if someone like N_M had replaced in
Scum would have won

[SirCakez]

It's funny, Cabd and I also fakeclaimed and we don't seem to be catching much shit for it.

You guys were still lover things so it mattered less

Disagree.
NM can read me extremely well and Pooky doesn't know that.

Ok you get the gist of what I'm saying, if someone who didn't know how to read you and Pooky repped in it could have been a quick loss

Also Taylor was terrible this game and I don't feel bad about saying that because they repped out right before being elimmed

[SirCakez]

Ye NM deserves some shots fired

[SirCakez]

Alisae I don't think this argument will be productive so I'm going to cut it off here
Regardless of the debacle I still really enjoyed this game and this playerlist! So ya

[SirCakez]

And I concur Pooky was amazing!

[SirCakez]

Alisae I don't think this argument will be productive so I'm going to cut it off here
Regardless of the debacle I still really enjoyed this game and this playerlist! So ya

how is it not productive for me?
I think its fine I actually love talking about this stuff

b/c I feel like you are not processing my points
like how can you not see that if some players who were not good scumhunters and/or not familiar with you replaced in town might have lost regardless of the strength of your arguments

[SirCakez]

FG what's next?