Therefore, the scummier someone is, the more likely we want them to claim early.In post 2648, Something_Smart wrote:But forcing town to claim PR early is bad.In post 2638, Infinity 324 wrote:Forcing scum to claim PR early is good.
I actually think hoopla is on to something here. Like town!skitter doesn'tIn post 2557, Hoopla wrote:generally speaking i find earnestness in the face of absurdity suspicious, because it shows you're more interested in placating me despite having no real reason to.
It's just something I normally see from town when they get pushed/questioned a lot.In post 2665, skitter30 wrote:idk why you think i'd have an emotional response to hoopla's line of questioning as either alignment
mena's didn't really bother me either
i think i'm becoming mellow in my old age
Honestly I thought peta was softing (rolecop?) here. My gut is not really saying dunn is scum but logically it just makes sense for him to be scum. So I have to think about it.In post 2720, petapan wrote:in case it is not clear: i don't think he's scum now. let's try elsewhere.
Didn't really think it through lolIn post 2774, petapan wrote:lol why the fuck would i pick rolecop as town and why would i soft it
Tbf I also made all these assumptions at the start of d2In post 2752, Menalque wrote:this still feels like a huge stretch tbhIn post 2710, Dunnstral wrote:Alright:
I'm a vanilla townie, I tried to grab the tracker/jailkeeper slot, and that's why I thought Lilith was town from the start/knew mena was blocked
if dunn is VT then he does know that lili took JK slot (I think it's almost beyond doubt at this point that lili took JK tbh)
knowing that, he assumes that the kill was blocked specifically from lili's "sooooooooooo vote:mena" entry to the day
that feels like he's still making several jumps to come to the conclusion that I'm scum and condemned by lili's comment? (1) she has to have chosen JK > tracker (2) the vote has to be related to her NA and not to my EoD1 play (what skitter was calling scummy at the same time and which was leading to the majority of votes towards me at the time) (3) he has to decide that with both of the first two being true, I'm obviously the one who was blocked from making a kill and that there was no kill on me (4) completely disregards the possibility of a doc save on the same night (also (5) and (6) which are there was a commuter dodge or the rb blocked the person making the nk, but these both seem to have been ignored by just about everyone and don't seem likely to me)
It feels a bit like she's trying to fit the evidence to the read rather than the other way around.In post 2846, Something_Smart wrote:What does this meanIn post 2843, Infinity 324 wrote:those scumreads feel weirdly uncharitable.
Not really, I get scumread no matter what when I don't put in effortIn post 2878, Menalque wrote:Which must be very convenient for your scumgames!
I think the world in which it makes the most sense is one where a strong scum player suggests it to her. The goal being to try to get a mislim, and the only downside being forced into claiming (presumably) her real role.In post 2953, Menalque wrote:as skitter said, the claim didn't actually necessarily make that much sense because of the timing regardless of her alignment
Don’t even say things like thisIn post 2958, Menalque wrote:god if I were scum it would have been such a good fucking play to no kill, then get lilith to claim JK and claim her shot on me while I was under pressure, trusting in me to not get executed despite that
Also hoopla is mindmelding with me too much to be scum here.In post 2982, Hoopla wrote:either way, for a mechanically minded player like me, probabilistically, it still feels like we're veering into the realm of conspiracy, but given we've mis-limmed thrice, and there are no obvious standout scum (or scum pairing combos), i'm willing to entertain conspiracies.
Hmm. S/T neighborhoods do tend to be beneficial for scum right? Not that it’s super likely scum would choose it, but when you’re so low in the draft and figure you’re not going to get anything good anyway, then maybe scum picks it.In post 2995, Hoopla wrote:this is a near-certainty to be town and worth protecting:In post 2994, petapan wrote:the doctor is essentially worthless given the remaining roles on the town side. no value in staying hidden if there are no roles worth protecting (do not tell me a 1-shot watcher is that valuable)
or at the very least, people's solves shouldn't include this slot.In post 2993, Not_Mafia wrote:I am the neighbouriser
Are you jokingIn post 3003, Menalque wrote:imagine someone gets a PM for a game, and when they open it it says cop. so then they go into the game, and the game is another run of a setup that they've played before. and in the game they played before, there were some of the same people. and IN that game they'd played before, they claimed cop in their first post for a meme. and then they enter into this NEW game, knowing that some of the same people are in it, and are never gonna take a cop claim seriously, and imagine that they then claim cop, again
Idk but my senses are tingling. Simplest one was lying about being RBed to avoid making up results.In post 3027, Menalque wrote:what sort of big brain play would I be going for here that makes sense exactly?
A lot of things depends on whether there's a doc in the setup. If there isn't, we have to think about if you made the kill N1 or if you were the NK target. If there is, n_m is directly cc'ing you. A commuter existing and when they used their shot could change things a bunch as well.In post 3049, Menalque wrote:wait, talk me through this? surely it makes more sense to elim within us even if it was me?
Reading over his posts again it makes a bit more sense. But basically it was that he started the day by shading me, says he’s not sure on reads, then seems very convinced you weren’t blocked. But then I read 3047 again and it makes a lot more sense.In post 3069, Menalque wrote:what do you mean by this?In post 3066, Infinity 324 wrote:I feel like he's played this day very weirdly.
It was mostly the unconfidence in general vs. the confidence about mena not lying about being blocked. But it made a bit more sense when I looked at your reasoning again and I could certainly see it from town. I would like you to try your best to solve if you have the energy to do so.In post 3099, petapan wrote:i mean, yeah, because i'm projecting unconfidence, and unconfidence in mafia gets you eliminated. i know that well enough and i know how to fake stances were i scum, i just don't really have any anymore. mostly i'm just lost and this is me at my worst, and when i get like this in a game it usually doesn't get better.In post 3088, Menalque wrote:interesting that obvtown infinity also called you out as off, tho
NotIn post 3110, Menalque wrote:so does anyone have a problem with just sequentially eliminating (Best Bird, Dave, lilith, peta)?
What is your gun-to-head solve? According to you there’s very likely 2 scum in {me, mena, s_s, hoopla}, and you really don’t seem convinced on mena, s_s, or hoopla. It looks worse knowing I’m town. Do you just have generic paranoia towards a bunch of slots or what’s up?In post 3117, Best Bird wrote:Dunno - {s_s; infinity; maybe hoopla)
Of course - I have a back of the mind of mena because of the crappy entrance, hasn't found scum, not dead, and a difficult counterwagon to town but skitteR said he was a strongest townread so...
