Mini Normal 2173 | Bending | Game Over

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:15 pm

In post 4101, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4100, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah maybe. So we should be voting between Marky Mark and Koba then no?
Maybe. I mean, if mark actually has investigative information, that would be super helpful to know.

Of course, now we also know we had an actual cop, so that makes me a little wary of Mark's claim.

A friendly neighbor AND a cop? eeeeerrgh

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pm

In post 4111, Andresvmb wrote:I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

With a dead Detective... one of FL (friendly neighbor) or Marky (whatever investigative he's got) must be scum...

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:21 pm

In post 4116, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4114, JacksonVirgo wrote:Alright so who did FL FN
I’m odd night, but I gambited with VP.

explain that better pls

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:32 pm

In post 4130, Flavor Leaf wrote:but he conveniently acts dumb when he needs to.

NO it's genuine <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:35 pm

In post 4154, VP Baltar wrote:Can you walk me back to why you suspect DGB suddenly? Because she didn't claim the message?

No one is supposed to claim receiving a message until Koba says so.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:06 pm

koba is town
koba has always been town
koba's message to me was super town

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:21 pm

In post 4217, Flavor Leaf wrote:Is there a world where Marky is scum, and Andres is town?

It looks like.

I don't see Andres behaving like this as scum, it requires too much galaxy-brain.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:36 pm

My town block is Andres and DkKoba.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:41 pm

In post 4270, DkKoba wrote:
In post 4269, DrippingGoofball wrote:.
why not FL?

From your message you are 100% town to me.

From behavior today, also Andres.

No one is as town as you two, for me.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm

We are NOT eliminating Koba.

Koba is flipping green and that elim is NOT HAPPENING.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm

In post 4281, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4274, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4270, DkKoba wrote:
In post 4269, DrippingGoofball wrote:.
why not FL?
From your message you are 100% town to me.

From behavior today, also Andres.

No one is as town as you two, for me.
Lol if koba is town, then FL is CONFIRMED town

I'm tired, it's close to 4AM.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:45 pm

In post 4284, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4274, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4270, DkKoba wrote:
In post 4269, DrippingGoofball wrote:.
why not FL?
From your message you are 100% town to me.

From behavior today, also Andres.

No one is as town as you two, for me.

This is why I should be higher than DKK then. I can’t be scum without Dkk, but they can be scum without me. There’s just no world where that should be a thing you’re pushing.

Oh right

Now I remember FL friendly neighbor'd himself.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:46 pm

SO in addition to myself, I know 4 townies in the game.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:47 pm

including myself

i need sleep

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:48 pm

TOWN
DrippingGoofball
Flavor Leaf
DkKoba
Andresvmb

????
JacksonVirgo
Not_Mafia
VP Baltar
Almost50
Marky Mark

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:24 am

In post 4299, Flavor Leaf wrote:Are you pocketing me and trying to get DGB to go after me?

i consider this VP claiming scum

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:24 am

I dunno, maybe

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:12 am

There are four people in the game that I am absolutely certain are town.

I have been certain that Marky is scum for days.

I pushed geranium but never said he'd flip town.

I townread Tayl0r a lot yesterday.

Andres-Mark combo is ridiculous since Andres is town.

Mark- DGB? You got to be kidding.

But thanks for claiming scum once again with garbage player pairs drowning townies along with your scumpal Mark.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:13 am

Fair warning, anyone shading the town blok is auto scum.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:58 am

In post 4314, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4311, DrippingGoofball wrote:I townread Tayl0r a lot yesterday.
Yes, after she was pushed to L-1 a couple times and it seemed like a good flip for the day. I mean, I know I was getting played by the scum yesterday, so it's got to be someone.

Her response to the end wagon bled town.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:13 am

In post 4351, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m not scum. If Marky is town, we lose.

Mark is absolutely not town.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:14 am

In post 4373, Flavor Leaf wrote:Right now, I’m thinking Marky, Jackson, VPB.

Marky & VP... not sure yet about #3.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:35 am

VP isn't tying A50 or JV to Marky.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:35 am

The last scum might be between these two.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:22 pm

In post 4427, DkKoba wrote:dgb do u want another message tonight?

If you have something important to whisper in my ear, sure!

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:24 pm

In post 4434, DkKoba wrote:@dgb
Word 5, first letter. The place of that word in the alphabet is the slot number im targeting tonight. I will ask them to out my order of elim i sent to you

Excellent.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:26 pm

In post 4448, Marky Mark wrote:I've been hammered with 0 statement of intent to hammer now lol

That's how it should be.

Otherwise it lets scum claimstall.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:27 pm

In post 4448, Marky Mark wrote:DGB has WKed DK all game and has pushed me hard D2 based on completely spurious arguments and also killed off the detective about to investigate

I can say the same thing about you <3

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:57 pm

In post 4452, Marky Mark wrote:I absolutely reserve the right to say "I told you so" in the postgame chat after pushing scum as my primary elim choice both days

If you're not scum, I assume you'll be spoilered in the dead thread so I will pre-emptively tell you

I TOLD YOU SO

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:58 pm

In post 4452, Marky Mark wrote:-- Pedit DGB claiming that yolohammering is optimum town play lol.

It is. You got to squeeze the claims quickly.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:18 pm

In post 4456, VP Baltar wrote:DGB, you really think Mark is lying with that giant wall of stuff?

Definetely.

I'm a little bit moved by his last-ditch nener nener nener.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:41 pm

In post 4479, Andresvmb wrote:On the other hand, they’re both cleared if Mark flips Scum. But based on Mark’s posting, I don’t see that. That Tayl0r execution was really bad to be honest.

I wasn't on it.

Mark will flip scum.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:01 pm

In post 4485, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4029, DkKoba wrote:unless i did indeed hit scum pr(which i hope i didnt bc it means my reads are garbo lol)
Missed this last night, but didn't Koba later claim that DGB verified the message in her early posts? If DGB did, then koba would know at that point they had not hit a power role.

This means Mark is more likely to flip town here and DGB looks scummier if so.

I did confirm by following the instructions DKKOBA gave me.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:01 pm

VOTE: Marky Mark

DrippingGoofball · Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:29 pm

In post 4620, Flavor Leaf wrote:jackson and dgb

if im tunneled, idk, maybe Not Mafia faked that doctor voyeur claim to save kkoba, maybe A50 is actually scum lurking out completely.

idk. this doesnt seem like either of their scum games, but at this point, i'm a little all over the place on who I can trust.

I believe you're town

And JV is town

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:59 am

In post 4687, VP Baltar wrote:Hey DGB, what was up with that hammer yesterday when it was clear mark was town in "twilight"

It sure wasn't clear to me...

See it from my perspective, I am town and MM was tunneling on me all game, everything I posted was scummy, even my town tells were scummy. It was difficult for me to see it as coming from a townie who is honestly trying to solve the game. The obstinacy reeked of scum trying super hard to have consistent reads.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:00 am

In post 4688, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4686, Not_Mafia wrote:I targetted Jackson last night, he received no such message from Flavour Leaf
Also, thoughts on his DGB?

I lost track of the actions and claims. What is going on?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:01 am

In post 4685, VP Baltar wrote:Weird how scum didn't kill either power role at one of their last opportunities to do so

Weird indeed.

And now NM is not a doctor but a watcher? I have no idea what is going on.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:38 am

In post 4692, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 4374, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm an Indecisive Doctor Voyeur

How does that work?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:38 am

In post 4693, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4689, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4687, VP Baltar wrote:Hey DGB, what was up with that hammer yesterday when it was clear mark was town in "twilight"
It sure wasn't clear to me...

See it from my perspective, I am town and MM was tunneling on me all game, everything I posted was scummy, even my town tells were scummy. It was difficult for me to see it as coming from a townie who is honestly trying to solve the game. The obstinacy reeked of scum trying super hard to have consistent reads.
Who are the scums now?

I have no idea right now.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:21 am

In post 4696, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4694, DrippingGoofball wrote:that
Cannot target a person on back to back nights. Doctors and also sees if someone visits his target.

So allegedly a protective investigative.

Did NM claim his targets for all the other nights?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:37 am

VP, who do you think is scum?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:40 am

In post 4686, Not_Mafia wrote:I targetted Jackson last night, he received no such message from Flavour Leaf

In retrospect FL's ever shifting claim is quite problematic.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:40 am

In post 4704, DkKoba wrote:Not me

Why not?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:42 am

Yesterday, it was all about Koba vs. Mark with one of them needing to be scum.

I forget why, probably because I never quite got it.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:43 am

NM's role is super powerful.

How does that even exist? With a Friendly Neighbor?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:31 am

In post 4715, DkKoba wrote:Im gay

What are the signs?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:34 am

In post 4712, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4708, DrippingGoofball wrote:NM's role is super powerful.

How does that even exist? With a Friendly Neighbor?
How does either exist with a Detective, Role Watcher and Universal Back up?

There is obviously at least some scum in the claimed power so far

It's as if all the scum is claiming power roles.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:35 am

I feel that DkKoba is trolling, cornered scum. I am regretting my earlier town reads.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:36 am

Next time I am on the desktop, I'll try to put things together.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:27 pm

In post 4748, Flavor Leaf wrote:I am the one up for misfade, I guess if DGB is town, they are too, but I think DGB is scum because she’s actively trying to tie me to Kkoba and her too.

How am I tying you to Koba?

Besides the fact that they confirmed your claim.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:28 pm

In post 4761, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Koba

Damnation

I am still reading

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:29 pm

In post 4750, Flavor Leaf wrote:@VP - what else am I supposed to do here?

What good is it to try and solve here if you lot ain’t gonna listen. I’ve explained what my read is on every single player in this game between yesterday and today.

If i am faded, town lose. That is equally as important to this game as finding scum. Getting correctly town read is quite possibly more important to the majority of players in games rather than straight solving the game. Only so many people can have the correct read at the right time with the momentum to lead a wagon.

I am having a hard time getting townread... across the board.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:30 pm

In post 4751, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4747, Almost50 wrote:What the freak is this thread??
Hit me with as many thoughts as you can before the thread gets locked

Looks like that's gonna be nothing.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:31 pm

In post 4762, DkKoba wrote:who are you guys killing tongiht?

You really fooled me, it won't happen again i swear.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:32 pm

In post 4760, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4754, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4750, Flavor Leaf wrote:@VP - what else am I supposed to do here?

What good is it to try and solve here if you lot ain’t gonna listen. I’ve explained what my read is on every single player in this game between yesterday and today.

If i am faded, town lose. That is equally as important to this game as finding scum. Getting correctly town read is quite possibly more important to the majority of players in games rather than straight solving the game. Only so many people can have the correct read at the right time with the momentum to lead a wagon.
I'm just saying, the way I'm going to feel better about you is seeing you work through what the logical solution is here.

Saying, "I'm town" is useless.

There are a million reasons you and NM should both be dead last night, and yet here you are. Of course it is suspicious
In what world was I ever going to die last night after Marky flipped town

QUICK

I am town... who is the scum then?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:00 pm

In post 4770, DkKoba wrote:i mean im town!!

Who are your scumpals?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:42 pm

That message Koba sent me sounded soooo townie

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:51 pm

In post 4780, VP Baltar wrote:How many pages do you still need to read DGB?

I just needed a summary of claims and actions, I have lost track. Not that it matters anymore tenor togameday.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:53 pm

Thanks for the help, Koba.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:55 pm

It was really fun playing with you (I guess i have niche taste in player styles), thanks for putting up a good fight as scum. I look forward to being on the same next time.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:56 pm

*same team

I even enjoy the last ditch spamtrolling.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:07 pm

JV didn't check anyone N3???

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:14 pm

In post 4794, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4793, DrippingGoofball wrote:JV didn't check anyone N3???
I am going off memory, but I think that's what they said?

The reasoning was that Koba had been doing the kills obv and therefore no check.

Definitely weird if I'm remembering correctly

Still could have checked Koba!?!

DrippingGoofball · Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:20 pm

Someone else could have been making the kills? He could have gotten a guilty on koba, then he would have known who made the kills?

That is

If the claim is even true.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:35 am

*sigh*

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:33 am

We are five.

I am town.

Randomly I have a 50:50 chance of hitting scum today.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:37 am

In post 4856, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4845, VP Baltar wrote:A50 is probably town given there is a preponderance of evidence elsewhere, but he has been not involved with the game and it is hard to tell.
META ME. I become much more useful towards the end of the game. (But please destroy this post as soon as you read it. We don't want DGB going on and on and on about how meta is trash)

Meta is trash.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:43 am

In post 4792, VP Baltar wrote:Claims:

FL - Odd night Friendly Neighbor

N1 - confirmed to scum Koba
N3 - attempted to confirm to Jackson, who didn't get the message

Jackson - universal back up

N2- became detective after Infinity NK
N3 - didn't check anyone because Koba scum was caught? CHECKED FL according to FL (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12350671)

Not Mafia - Indecisive Voyeur Doc

N1 - DGB
N2- FL
N3 - Jackson

Vp - unclaimed

A50 - unclaimed

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:44 am

In post 4832, Flavor Leaf wrote:Rolewatcher/Voyeur don’t both exist for town, just saying, VP.

I think this here is going to be key to finding scum.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:48 am

FlavorLeaf

Odd night Friendly Neighbor
N1 - confirmed to scum Koba
N3 - attempted to confirm to Jackson, who didn't get the message

JacksonVirgo

Universal back up
N2 - became detective after Infinity NK
N3 - didn't check anyone because Koba scum was caught? CHECKED FL according to FL (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12350671)

Not_Mafia

Indecisive Voyeur Doc
N1 - DGB
N2 - FL
N3 - Jackson

DkKoba

Multitasking Mailman
N1 - ? I forget ?
N2 - DGB
N3 - FL (rickrolled)

VP

- VT

DGB

- VT

A50

- VT

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:50 am

In post 4873, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1567, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Dkk

Let’s go! Flash wagon.
OK, doing some random ISO skimming, and this one caught my eye. Why would FL start a flash wagon on DkK when he has earlier theorized a DGB/DkK scum pair (post 1378)? Like, wouldn't DGB be the more dangerous scum from FL's "town PoV"? Unless he is informed that DGB has the stronger role of the two, ir he expected to be eliminated before either of them.

I claimed VT a million years ago.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:51 am

In post 4878, Flavor Leaf wrote:Not Mafia’s Night 4 on A50.

I reformatted VP's list, I didn't add any Night 4.

Was N_M the only claimed action for N4?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:52 am

In post 4879, Flavor Leaf wrote:Scum is confirmed to have a roleblocker.

Because your N3 action failed, correct?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:54 am

Who got Koba's N1 message, if any?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:56 am

In post 4808, Not_Mafia wrote:A50, no one else targetted him

That is an odd choice of target.

Why not target a claimed PR?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:57 am

In post 4892, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think they claimed Marky Mark was their target? Seems like they created a play to specifically take down Marky Mark. That actually might be evident of a Role Cop of sorts. Likely Not Mafia’s slot. Maybe scum have multiple Multitasking Roles.

The message Koba sent me was part of a play to make Marky Mark a target, not that I needed encouragement given his tunnel on me.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:59 am

In post 4892, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think they claimed Marky Mark was their target? Seems like they created a play to specifically take down Marky Mark. That actually might be evident of a Role Cop of sorts. Likely Not Mafia’s slot. Maybe scum have multiple Multitasking Roles.

You mean MM got a message from Koba?

Let me check, I have a vague recollection that MM claimed to not have received such a message.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:00 am

In post 4896, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 4810, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4808, Not_Mafia wrote:A50, no one else targetted him
Why target A50?
Couldn't target Jackson, settled for A50. thought he might get NK'd

Why would A50 be nightkilled?

With all the claimed PRs, by POE he was probably vanilla, and he's shall we way, not much of a threat?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:02 am

In post 2545, Marky Mark wrote:
In post 2338, Tayl0r Swift wrote:well i dont think the claim makes koba town. i do think the claim means we wait a day to see if we can confirm koba's claim. i also dont see why the role has to be a town role. so maybe it doesnt change anything and its still a good elim

In post 2494, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2493, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i dont think that they're a simple town mailman though.
Why in the bloody hell would they publicize a result then? Wouldn't they just wait till night and then ice Mark?
Yeah,
so I didn't get a message last night
, but I'm a town PR. I don't think there's any point holding this back now as it's obvious that if I was VT I would have CCed koba.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:06 am

In post 4686, Not_Mafia wrote:I targetted Jackson last night, he received no such message from Flavour Leaf

It's not N_M and FL.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:07 am

In post 4905, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4903, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2545, Marky Mark wrote:
In post 2338, Tayl0r Swift wrote:well i dont think the claim makes koba town. i do think the claim means we wait a day to see if we can confirm koba's claim. i also dont see why the role has to be a town role. so maybe it doesnt change anything and its still a good elim

In post 2494, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2493, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i dont think that they're a simple town mailman though.
Why in the bloody hell would they publicize a result then? Wouldn't they just wait till night and then ice Mark?
Yeah,
so I didn't get a message last night
, but I'm a town PR. I don't think there's any point holding this back now as it's obvious that if I was VT I would have CCed koba.
Yeah, I think koba was trying to act like it was a guilty, but then backed off?

Anyone else acted like it's a guilty?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:08 am

In post 4910, Flavor Leaf wrote:weird guilty one Dkk

???

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:09 am

In post 4914, Flavor Leaf wrote:On

What was the "weird guilty?"

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:13 am

In post 4918, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4881, DrippingGoofball wrote:I claimed VT a million years ago.
That's awesome. I totally believe it and will town!bin you because scum!you would never like to me, would you?

This was in answer to someone requesting that I claim now.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:14 am

In post 4880, Almost50 wrote:I already answered this.
It depends on the PR DGB has.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:15 am

In post 4925, Flavor Leaf wrote:That’s weird, though because Not Mafia would have had to be bussing a long time if that is true, which I can kinda see. They never really put VP in any danger.

The only player I have trouble seeing as town in any capacity is A50.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:09 pm

Objectively, FL looks pretty bad.

He was very sketchy about the Friendly Neighbor claim. Eventually it became odd day but had not started that way (going by memory here).

As a result, he is only "confirmed" to the dead scum. DkKoba was scum read by a plethora of players from day 1 - so not an optimal choice of target by FLtown.

For N3, FL claims a roleblock. Small point but no one has been roleblocked other than him (i hope i remember correctly).

N5 he can say he confirmed himself to whoever will turn up dead, or his scumpal.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:12 pm

A50 is having wild fantasies about me.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:16 pm

Not only is there no evidence of a roleblock beyond FL's word, but there's no evidence of any phantasmagorical scum role.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:17 pm

I am having a hard time seeing VP as scum here, despite the constant low key suspicion on his player slot.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:18 pm

In post 4960, Not_Mafia wrote:FL, why were you so certain you were not roleblocked N3?

Did he say he was

not

roleblocked?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:37 pm

In post 4963, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 4572, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4562, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4556, Flavor Leaf wrote:Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

In post 4545, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4513, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4512, VP Baltar wrote:Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres
That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't
I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.
Actually, you're the one that assumed you weren't roleblocked lmfao.
I wasn't roleblocked. You got my message.

Was he setting up JV???

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:38 pm

Could it be A50 and FL?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:07 pm

Yeah, I realize two players are gonna play me, DkKoba played me like a fiddle and I am more weary now.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:11 pm

N_Mscum could have roleblocked FLtown then confirmed that JV failed to receive the message but that seems like a high risk, low pay off, galaxy brain move.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:14 pm

The simplest explanation is FLscum not sending JV town a message.

But it would have been safer to send a message to the NK or to another buddy ( though this might be risky)

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:16 pm

FL your reasons for townreading A50 may be convincing to you, but they are not to me.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:18 pm

In post 4981, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4978, DrippingGoofball wrote:N_Mscum could have roleblocked FLtown then confirmed that JV failed to receive the message but that seems like a high risk, low pay off, galaxy brain move.
I don’t necessarily think it would have been planned to work that way. If scum roleblocked me, and he claimed voyeur, it actually helps make his claim more believable and he already would know my action was blocked so coming into thread seeing the fight.

Not saying that’s what happened, it’s just what happened if they are scum.

It would require a certain level of creativity from N_M.... a level i am not sure exists.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:19 pm

I am at that point where I make points and then immediately make the counterpoint LOL

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:22 pm

In post 1667, Almost50 wrote:
In post 86, DkKoba wrote:i think im comfortable outting a little flash reads chart based on entrance tone:

towny:
andres, taylor, ndmath

null: anyone not listed in above or below

scummy(god pls someone do something to let me narrow this down more):

goofball, shellyc, infinity, zdenek
You SR'd my slot off of ONE post (that was obviously a joke, mind you)??

This feels a little honk honk here's the bus.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:33 pm

In post 2016, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1980, Infinity 324 wrote:If scum!VP is trying to get townpoints for saying what needs to be said, it's working
Talk to me about Scum!VP because he's one of my strongest TRs. (The very fact that I'm engaging you despote having you in my PoE shows how little confidence I have in my own reads on D1. I don't think the game is THAT easy, so you have every chance to change my mind if you can convince me)

I would say that VP and A50 aren't scum together, because that's some heavy whiteknighting right here.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:38 pm

In post 2661, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2644, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jackson, Taylor, DGB probably have scum, maybe multiple in them. I don't really think DGB/Taylor are partners.

Jackson, Taylor, Not Mafia could be the team.
I low-key TR FL now (and for a weird reason I assure you).

Scum!FL knows what he's doing and his thoughts are traditionally well-organized. He may try to produce as much noise as possible to confuse everyone, but he does say "Jackson, Taylor, Not Mafia could be the team" while his vote is on DGB!!!

Good observation.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:42 pm

In post 3660, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3586, Infinity 324 wrote:
Targeting A50
I wish you didn't yield, but I aslo wish you hadn't claimed in the first place.

Now let me lay down my "moon!logic": MM has done nothing short of outright claiming Watcher. I am reluctant to accept it at face value, so I developed the theory he is Scum who wanted to know your target to evaluate whether killing you tonight is best or if shooting elsewhere was better. (And now that I said that allowed they may just shoot you anyway).

The thing is it didn't make sense to me for the Watcher to out AND demand knowing the target of the Detective in advance, when Detective doesn't even give clears (only solid guilties can be counted on). Hypothetically speaking, if all of Infinity/MM/A50 are alive tomorrow NONE of them is confirmed anything. MM confirming Infinity did visit me does NOT confirm MM's role or alignment. Infinity claiming I didn't kill does NOT confirm me as Town. Infinity's claim does NOT need outside confirmation (and if I was Scum I could have used this mess to win the game already, but I won't explain how now)

I also hinted I think there are way too many PR claims/crumbs. I stand by that, and will reassert the one that does convince me the most is Infinity's. Anyone else could or could not be a TPR (or a PR at all).

I am iso'ing A50 in order to mine scum tells
... but instead I am finding a lot of good stuff.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:43 pm

FL what do you mean by TMI?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:15 pm

In post 5011, VP Baltar wrote:Part of me feels like we don't yeet FL today and give him a chance to prove his claim.

That should not be the reason. In this small pool of players, and coming down to the wire, chances are too high he will target (1) the NK or (2) the scum - intentionally if he is scum, unintentionally if he is town.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:17 pm

The only two living PRs are N_M and FL.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:37 pm

There's a case to be made for everyone being town.

I was hoping to avoid this but it looks like I might have to wade into DkKoba's iso. Wish me luck.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:15 pm

It would be an extremely rare occurrence if FL and VP were town on the combined geraint and Gamma wagons, especially with Koba coyly abstaining.

geraintm

: 4 (VP Baltar,

Marky Mark

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Andresvmb

)

Gamma Emerald

: 3 (

JacksonVirgo

, Flavor Leaf,

Infinity 324

)

Andresvmb

: 1 (

Gamma Emerald

)

DkKoba

: 1 (

Tayl0r Swift

)

Infinity 324

: 1 (

geraintm

)

JacksonVirgo

: 1 (

DkKoba

)
Not Voting: 4 (Not_Mafia, Almost50)

These wagons are too small to draw conclusions.

Flavor Leaf: 3 (

Gamma Emerald

,

Infinity 324

, VP Baltar)

JacksonVirgo

: 2 (

Tayl0r Swift

,

Andresvmb

)

geraintm

: 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)

Gamma Emerald

: 1 (Flavor Leaf)

DrippingGoofball

: 1 (

Marky Mark

)

Infinity 324

: 1 (

geraintm

)
Not_Mafia: 1 (Not_Mafia)

DkKoba

: 1 (

JacksonVirgo

)
Andrewsvmb: 1 (

DkKoba

)
Not Voting: 1 (Almost50)

These wagons are too small to draw conclusions.

Flavor Leaf: 3 (

Infinity 324

, VP Baltar,

DrippingGoofball

)
Not_Mafia: 2 (Not_Mafia,

Gamma Emerald

)

JacksonVirgo

: 2 (Flavor Leaf,

Tayl0r Swift

)

geraintm

: 1 (

DkKoba

)

DrippingGoofball

: 1 (

Marky Mark

)

Infinity 324

: 1 (

geraintm

)

DkKoba

: 1 (

JacksonVirgo

)
Not Voting: 2 (Almost50,

Andresvmb

)

There may be some bus'ing of Koba here. What concerns me is another Koba wagon that happens later, where these same two players abstain from voting them.

DkKoba

: 5 (

JacksonVirgo

, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf,

Marky Mark

,

Tayl0r Swift

)

Infinity 324

: 3 (

Andresvmb

,

geraintm

,

DkKoba

)

geraintm

: 3 (

Gamma Emerald

,

DrippingGoofball

, VP Baltar)

Gamma Emerald

: 1 (

Infinity 324

)
Not Voting: 1 (Almost50)

I would expect mucho scummo in VP Baltar and Almost50.

geraintm

: 7 (ELIMINATED)
(

Gamma Emerald

,

DrippingGoofball

, VP Baltar,

Infinity 324

,

Tayl0r Swift

, Almost50,

Marky Mark

)

Infinity 324

: 3 (

Andresvmb

,

geraintm

,

DkKoba

)

DkKoba

: 2 (

JacksonVirgo

, Not_Mafia)
Not Voting: 1 (Flavor Leaf)

=======================
See? Flavor Leaf and Not_Mafia are not on the Koba wagon this time...

DkKoba

: 3 (

Tayl0r Swift

,

JacksonVirgo

,

Infinity 324

)

Infinity 324

: 2 (Not_Mafia,

DkKoba

)

DrippingGoofball

: 2 (Flavor Leaf,

Marky Mark

)

Tayl0r Swift

: 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)
Not Voting: 3 (

Andresvmb

, VP Baltar, Almost50)

Wagons too small.

VP Baltar: 3 (

Tayl0r Swift

, Not_Mafia,

Infinity 324

)

DrippingGoofball

: 2 (Flavor Leaf,

Marky Mark

)

Tayl0r Swift

: 2 (

DrippingGoofball

, VP Baltar)

Infinity 324

: 1 (

DkKoba

)
Not Voting: 3 (

Andresvmb

, Almost50,

JacksonVirgo

)

Taly0r was an easy wagon for scum to push if they set their minds to it.

Tayl0r Swift

: 6 (Eliminated) (

JacksonVirgo

, Flavor Leaf,

DkKoba

,

Marky Mark

, VP Baltar,

Andresvmb

)
VP Baltar: 4 (

Infinity 324

, Not_Mafia, Almost50,

Tayl0r Swift

)
Not Voting: 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)

========================
VP looks pretty good here, I recall he tried to stop the Marky Mark wagon. As scum he didn't have to say a thing. I have to give him a lot of credit for that.

Marky Mark

: 5 (ELIMINATED) (

Andresvmb

, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf,

DkKoba

,

DrippingGoofball

)

DkKoba

: 3 (

JacksonVirgo

,

Marky Mark

, VP Baltar)
Not Voting: 1 (Almost50)

========================
Too few flipped players on this flashwagon.

DkKoba

: 6 (ELIMINATED) (Almost50, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf,

DkKoba

,

JacksonVirgo

, VP Baltar)
Not Voting: 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:23 pm

In post 86, DkKoba wrote:i think im comfortable outting a little flash reads chart based on entrance tone:

towny:

andres, taylor
, ndmath/(now Flavor Leaf)

null: anyone not listed in above or below

scummy(god pls someone do something to let me narrow this down more):

goofball, shellyc (now Gamma Emerald), infinity
, zdenek(now Almost50)

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:25 pm

In post 1021, DkKoba wrote:town:
andres mark gamma jackson(but bad) DBG

troll town: not_mafia
null(not sure):
gerain
, vp baltar, FL, zdenek (now Almost50)
scum:
infinity taylor

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:36 pm

In post 5025, VP Baltar wrote:DGB is town I think for sure. Wagon analysis is genuine.

Who do you want to yeet today DGB?

I am still undecided.

Looking at the scumputer (though its worth has its limits) though... from your perspective, FL should look pretty scummy. Everyone flipped on a lot of major wagons, except the two of you. If you're town you have reasons to think FL is scum; similarly FL can look at the same pattern and find you scummy, if he's town.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:39 pm

In post 5028, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think VP looks good from the Marky Mark wagon, but I think that’s difference of opinion on what I think scum would do.

What makes that wagon hard to analyze is that a lot happened after Marky Mark was believed to be yeeted - but wasn't yet.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:40 pm

In post 5046, Flavor Leaf wrote:You’re also pushing VCA when one of the remaining slots is Not Mafia, who didn’t do much like all game, and A50, who was away for days.

VP and I show up scummier on the wagons because we were around to join the wagons when they were active and happening.

Yes, I take that into consideration in my degree of belief in the system.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:43 pm

In post 5043, Flavor Leaf wrote:DGB is scum. Scum tried to tie me together with Dkk and DGB.

You tied yourself to DkKoba when you claimed to have targeted DkKoba with the Friendly Neighbor message.

But in your opinion, who is the scum who tied to tie you together with DkKoba?

I don't understand how I am tied to you at all.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:44 pm

In post 5048, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 5045, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5028, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think VP looks good from the Marky Mark wagon, but I think that’s difference of opinion on what I think scum would do.
What makes that wagon hard to analyze is that a lot happened after Marky Mark was believed to be yeeted - but wasn't yet.
Scum was probably aware that he wasn’t though?

That’s like a solid thing to play on as scum, even newer scum would be able to do that.

I sure didn't realize, I though I was voting MM when I wasn't.

Why would scum be aware more than the townies who weren't?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:46 pm

In post 5032, Flavor Leaf wrote:Not Mafia claiming right during the Dkk-Marky mark face off, unproven role claim (like mine, but i know my role, so you can use this point against me, that’s fine)

What is the significance of that claim timing? I don't recall the events immediately surrounding it.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:48 pm

In post 5049, Flavor Leaf wrote:Well, I’m not scum, and it looks like you’re actively trying to pit VP and I together because there was a lot in those VC’s you didn’t seem to want to mention. You pushed the Gera wagon.

Yes, and I was majorly convinced that DkKoba was town, that is not in my favor.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:49 pm

In post 5033, Flavor Leaf wrote:Flavor Leaf: 3 (Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, VP Baltar) How come this wagon is too small, but the Gamma Emerald one with 3 isn’t when it’s implying I could be scum on that wagon.

Do you mean this:
geraintm: 4 (VP Baltar, Marky Mark, DrippingGoofball, Andresvmb)
Gamma Emerald: 3 (JacksonVirgo, Flavor Leaf, Infinity 324)

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:51 pm

In post 5038, Flavor Leaf wrote:geraintm: 7 (ELIMINATED)
(Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball, VP Baltar, Infinity 324, Tayl0r Swift, Almost50, Marky Mark)

DGB pushed this as “expecting mucho scum in VPB and A50.

This was the wagon that she pushed through.

Gera was the counter wagon to Dkkoba.

It's from my perspective - it's a tool I use to find scum (though it's not the strongest tool) - I'm showing MY calculations.

Naturally other players will draw different conclusions.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:54 pm

In post 5062, Flavor Leaf wrote:Small wagons are not unusable, i don’t know why you were pushing like they were. I use spread out vc in my VCA all the time.

I used VCA to catch out A50 in that game I said i trolled all game and came in with a solve.

If

all

the wagons are small, the vote counts are important. They're too close to being vanity wagons. I only look if the gamestate is within elimination distance, though it is a subjective measure.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:58 pm

In post 5067, Flavor Leaf wrote:Anytime someone makes a push or does something like DGB’s VCA, i feel like they’re scum pushing for the victory.

The same is true about you right now, you are making a big push to be seen as town, and in the last page starting to find players scummy.

But then it is end game after all, we want to make our team mates proud. The decisions are more important, and we have more information to work with.

It's a stretch to see that as AI.

You could say that N_M is scum hoping we'll forget about him and he's refreshing every 30s in case he can hammer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:59 pm

In post 5071, VP Baltar wrote:The biggest prob with VCA in this game is the inconsistent VCs. Lots happened between each VC.

The reason I like DGB here is she is being open in her analysis. It's about intentions.

At best I give it 10% of the weight of any decision I might make.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:02 pm

In post 5054, Flavor Leaf wrote: it was getting pushed as DKK/DGB/FL scum team.

Was this brought up a lot? By whom?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:03 pm

In post 5076, Flavor Leaf wrote:Then it’s just A50-Not Mafia and the 3 of us are talking in circles. Neither of them are going in circles like we are.

A50 is a more sporadic poster than we are. N_M comes every once in a while.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:05 pm

In post 5078, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Not Mafia

Do you have an actual rationale for this? Or was it only brinksmanship?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:09 pm

In post 5091, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t even feel like you guys wanna solve. It kinda feels like you’re just waiting.

Not solving?

I just went through Koba's iso!!!

ok so I gave up halfway through but still

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:17 pm

In post 4324, Marky Mark wrote:Good evening all, I am home from work and have caught up with the flurry of pages from overnight

Let's start with the key thing - DK is straight-up lying. They've claimed Simple Mailman, whereas they are in fact a Multitasking Mailman. We can debate their motives for targetting DGB all day - I suspect they may have thought I was a normal watcher or voyeur rather than a Role Watcher, which would have made them look towny as I would have just seen them mailing DGB.

FYPOV either DK or me is lying and therefore scum - it's that black or white. There is no point looking elsewhere for an elim (eg N_M's current vote on VP )

I will be pleasantly surprised if not faded today but if you look at this objectively it ought to be pretty clear that I'm town here and I'll try to lay out the case for this, so let's not rush a wagon through. Be careful not to let DK lolhammer me either as when I flip green she will be confscum anyways

-- pedit VP beat me to the point I was trying to make

Iso'ing MM... I feel bad now reading this post. I should have townread it. I was blinded by his tunnel on me and I need to be more aware of my weakness in the future.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:18 pm

I'm iso'ing MM, FL.

LOL

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:20 pm

In post 5103, Flavor Leaf wrote:VP.

DGB-VP are town.

The scum are NM and A50.

This game is solved.

Maybe from your POV.

Even if I take it as gospel, I would still need to know which one of the two to vote for.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:23 pm

In post 5107, Flavor Leaf wrote:Well, Not Mafia is the PR if scum.

I actually think A50 might have spewed it when he was casing us. He kept pushing like I was probably the goon, and DGB was the PR, so i feel he’s TMIing that scum have a PR, which I already believed, and that Not Mafia is the PR.

That post ping'ed me hard, that's why I iso'd him.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:29 pm

In post 4950, Almost50 wrote:I don't care what FL says, and I do NOT trust him still. The more I read his posts the more confident I am it's just him & DGB and he is trying to muddy the waters in an attempt to protect her.

I mean, he says N_M\s role doesn't go with the flipped Voyeur and soon after calls me scum with VP. He admits DGB is heavily tied with DkK but wants to eliminate VP today. This is FL flailing hard, and it's desperate FL if I've ever seen him getting desperate. He would not be as desperate if the DGB elimination wasn't the correct one. Not just because she is his scum buddy, but because she is the "mysterious role" they were hoping to endgame.

I think all his arguments are designed to protect DGB here, even if it was at the cost of his own elimination. I guess the plan was to try an eliminate one of A50/VP/N_M and take the win today, but if that failed they were prepared lose FL and DGB can argue she was being setup by the scum team or something. (Imagine id DGB is a multi-tasking Jailer/Roleblocker and manages to N_M and shoot his protection target, which would probably be you because he can't protect me tonight. Do you realize how both I and N_M would look in the proposed final 3? I would always be paranoid I misread him because why wasn't he NK'd? He would ALSO be sus of me because why would scum not shoot me knowing I'm unprotected? Result: DGB can try to get one of us to vote the other instead. That's my theory right now)

What bugged me:
- A50 says that FL is protecting me... in what universe?
- I am a mysterious role?
- FL is sacrificing himself so that I live????
- "Imagine id DGB is a multi-tasking Jailer/Roleblocker and manages to N_M and shoot his protection target" wait whut

Playing amateur psychologist... this sounds like it could be his actual fear.

"Do you realize how both I and N_M would look in the proposed final 3? I would always be paranoid I misread him because why wasn't he NK'd?"

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:19 am

In post 5131, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5043, Flavor Leaf wrote:DGB is scum. Scum tried to tie me together with Dkk and DGB.
Then vote her! I dare you. Put your money where your mouth is.

Yeeting me is a town loss.

A50 you come off as frothing... scum in a rush to seal the deal.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:27 am

In post 5133, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5115, DrippingGoofball wrote:- A50 says that FL is protecting me... in what universe?
Same way he tried to protect Maria in Team Mafia. Same way he does it almost all the time. He FoS's his partner(s), but votes elsewhere. He eventually voted N_M today, so he and N_M are NOT ALIGNED.

Like, if I was an outsider spectating, I'd now totally exclude the possibility if a FL+N_M team.

I am town, though. He'd be protecting a townie.

I hate meta with the heat of 10,000 suns but tons of players fakeclaim as town - I am one of those.

Marky Mark tunneled on me the whole time he was alive and I refused to believe his tunnel came from town - it was laser focused beyond anything I'd seen before. Every time he would venture out to suspecting another player he'd always conclude that it was somehow me who was scum and then ignore his other scumreads (Tayl0r and Infinity flipped town, so his reads were rubbish). I was enraged with him (yeah it's just a game, so let's call it game-rage!). He would observe me towntelling and would dismiss it as faking towntells. He was infuriating.

DkKoba's message to me was a very long one. The part that spoke to me the most is that they wanted to yeet Marky Mark. I thought, finally someone believes me that he's scum and needs to be yeeted. DkKoba also had a plan to slow roll the reveal of night action which sold them to me as hard town.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:30 am

In post 5137, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5115, DrippingGoofball wrote:- FL is sacrificing himself so that I live????
He's scumming it up so bad he is almost trying to eat the rope instead of his p. The question is WHO that p is, and from my own PoV you are the number 1 suspect.

If FL was Scum & DGB was Town he would have let me do the work for him and walked out victorious.
If FL was Town (regardless of DGB's alignment) he would have solved the game by now (like he did in the game he keeps bragging about)
Conclusion: FL is Scum AND is trying his damnedest to protect you

That's based on a lot of dodgy assumptions.

I was investigated N1. It was a partial clear only due to the nature of the investigation.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:32 am

In post 5143, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5140, Not_Mafia wrote:FL's claim was so bad I don't think I can vote anywhere but there
I can compromise of both you and VP insist, but I really really would rather DGB first.

DkKoba, whose cricket posting is remembered in infamy in this game, sent me a long, 3 paragraph message to play me like a violin.

And you think I'm DK's buddy.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:35 am

In post 5146, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5144, DrippingGoofball wrote:I was investigated N1. It was a partial clear only due to the nature of the investigation.
?? Who investigated you on N1??

It was N_M, actually, nvm

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:36 am

In post 5147, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5145, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5143, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5140, Not_Mafia wrote:FL's claim was so bad I don't think I can vote anywhere but there
I can compromise of both you and VP insist, but I really really would rather DGB first.
DkKoba, whose cricket posting is remembered in infamy in this game, sent me a long, 3 paragraph message to play me like a violin.

And you think I'm DK's buddy.
Are you a Mathblade alt now??

He did it FULLY KNOWING the WATCHER would be on you.

Doesn't matter, DkKoba could have picked another target to send a message to.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:38 am

A50 you are reminding me of Marky Mark a lot right now.

Some of the elements you raise against me are valid concerns; but you seem disingenuous nonetheless.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:40 am

In post 5137, Almost50 wrote:He's scumming it up so bad he is almost trying to eat the rope instead of his p.

This part is an example of "disingenuous."

You are finding FL significantly scummier than me; yet you moonlogic this scumread into wanting to yeet me instead.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:41 am

In post 5143, Almost50 wrote:I can compromise of both you and VP insist

Why do you believe N_M is town?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:42 am

In post 5152, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5143, Almost50 wrote:I can compromise of both you and VP insist
Why do you believe N_M is town?

I should clarify why I ask this question.

You want to team up with N_M and VP to choose today's yeet.

I assume you believe they are both town. WHY.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:50 am

In post 5155, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5152, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5143, Almost50 wrote:I can compromise of both you and VP insist
Why do you believe N_M is town?
N_M doesn't fake claim a role like that if he knew MM was going to flip Town

What is the logic behind this? Maybe you're right. Explain it to me.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:52 am

In post 4877, DrippingGoofball wrote:
FlavorLeaf

Odd night Friendly Neighbor
N1 - confirmed to scum Koba
N3 - attempted to confirm to Jackson, who didn't get the message

JacksonVirgo

Universal back up
N2 - became detective after Infinity NK
N3 - didn't check anyone because Koba scum was caught? CHECKED FL according to FL (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12350671)

Not_Mafia

Indecisive Voyeur Doc
N1 - DGB
N2 - FL
N3 - Jackson

DkKoba

Multitasking Mailman
N1 - ? I forget ?
N2 - DGB
N3 - FL (rickrolled)

VP
- VT

DGB
- VT

A50
- VT

Did DkKoba even name a N1 target? How did we let that pass?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:34 am

In post 5158, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5150, DrippingGoofball wrote:A50 you are reminding me of Marky Mark a lot right now.
Lol mark was town though.

My reaction is the same, I can't help it but in A50 's defense, he has reasons that line up with actual missteps of mine. Marky Mark's tunnel had a more irrational quality.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:39 am

I am the only one who knows for sure I am town, so naturally I will have more questions for a player who argues that I should be yeeted; especially today when that would be auto-loss.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:18 am

In post 5169, Flavor Leaf wrote:@DGB - If you are town, you should be seeing the only possibly way I can be scum in this gamestate is with you.

Look at how every other slot is reacting to me.

I guess I could be scum with VP as well, but we’d have had to have some fire scum theatre for that.

I am well aware. It has not escaped my notice.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:20 am

In post 5161, VP Baltar wrote:Can you walk me through your thought process leading up to the fake out on infinity? Why'd you do it, when did you decide to, why infinity, etc?

I suspected infinity, and was bored.

As VT i thought I could gage reactions. It's not complicated.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:22 am

@FL

I would consider voting for A50.

I am not ready to vote for anyone but A50 may be the vote I am most comfortable with.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:23 am

In post 5163, VP Baltar wrote:Over here smashing that refresh button and waiting

I had to leave to get my flu shot!

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:29 am

I believe FL is town. Ugh, the night actions and the claim are problematic... but I see things that override this

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:30 am

Why would it be N_M? He is as opaque as usual.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:47 am

In post 5182, VP Baltar wrote: Give me more detail. What did you find suspicious about infinity specifically?

Her starting the day trying to go after me.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:50 am

In post 5185, VP Baltar wrote:The interplay between DGB and koba at the start of D2 is very noticeable.

I would be very disappointed if my misreading DkKoba as town, and them playing me like a fool with the message would lead to a town loss. I might say, maybe even a bit angry with myself.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:51 am

In post 5186, VP Baltar wrote:I mean, what if the balance for the town power is scum having a number of investigatives too? Infinity and Mark were the crosshairs immediately at the start of D2. It's just too targeted to be a random occurrence.

Which investigative would be the most useful for scum to have?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:52 am

In post 5187, Flavor Leaf wrote:So it’s DGB and Not Mafia. :/

And I’m gonna be left with A50 and Not Mafia tomorrow.

It's not me.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:54 am

My money is on A50 and N_ M (the latter for role balance reasons)

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:01 am

I can faintly hear DkKoba humming in the dead thread

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:01 am

In post 5202, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5198, DrippingGoofball wrote:My money is on A50 and N_ M (the latter for role balance reasons)
Vote me then?

I'd rather N_M.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:03 am

I don't want DkKoba to win LOL

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:03 am

In post 5206, Flavor Leaf wrote:See, I’m torn.

I want A50 first, but Not Mafia probably is the PR that’s gonna make the game harder.

Why A50 first?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:25 am

In post 5216, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like, that's a really good point, I just don't know exactly where scum Not Mafia's abilities are. I have lost to scumNot Mafia twice, so I'm afraid to give him a pass for simply underestimating him.

I am town, Not Mafia.

Who is scum for you if you straight up knew I was town?

I was aware of that but I weighed it against the game balance.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:27 am

I am town. Of all the players, I find FL the towniest.

That means that there are 2 scums in VP/A50/NM?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:27 am

NM I am glad to hear more from you.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:02 pm

In post 5252, Not_Mafia wrote:This definitely feels like Flavour Leaf fishing for a vote so DGB can hammer, I can see FL posting in the scum PT every 5 seconds asking if she's ready to hammer if VP votes me

I'm not gonna hammer.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:04 pm

In post 5235, Flavor Leaf wrote:DGB disappears every time I vote Not Mafia, and it makes me so nervous.

I need a warning LOL

I ate a sandwich and took a shower!

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:08 pm

In post 5255, Not_Mafia wrote:I'd forgotten you were boonskiies until I saw your sig just now, our history goes back a lot longer than I thought, makes your paranoia of me make more sense as town

FL is Boonskiies?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:11 pm

FL trying to rob the Scummies LOL

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:14 pm

It sounds sinister when you put it that way but Inifinity could have been VT.

Had Inifinity been scum I would have been the toast of the town.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:37 pm

In post 5292, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5291, Flavor Leaf wrote:It also doesn't lose us the game if the team is A50/Not Mafia.
but it does if it's you and DGB. This is my paranoia scenario.

I'm town here.

Fade me, Dk wins.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:39 pm

I don't think VP & FL are the team anyway.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:40 pm

In post 5310, VP Baltar wrote:I'm here too, but I need to deal with something at work real quick.

NM -- the fact you don't immediately think FL is scum since you haven't been hammered multiple times when he popped a vote on you makes me think you have to be scum here.

mmm

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:41 pm

In post 5314, Not_Mafia wrote:I think it's FL/DGB and DGB is more realistic elim today

In the back of my mind, a large reason why the scum has left both FL and myself alive is because our iso's are so dirty.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:42 pm

In post 5316, Not_Mafia wrote:DGB's sig seems particularly germane here

I claimed VT 10 times already.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:48 pm

Town lost, gg DK

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:48 pm

Nice planning, scum.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:49 pm

Well, FL. NM and Dk, congratulations, you played me good.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:50 pm

In post 5336, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 5334, DrippingGoofball wrote:Well, FL. NM and Dk, congratulations, you played me good.
It was A50 and FL

Damnation.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:51 pm

This game was a disaster for me, I was super played. ooof

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:51 pm

In post 5339, Almost50 wrote:@FL: Don't think for a minute that that's going to save you. so you had better kill me tonight.

P-edit:

@DGB: You trolling?

P-edit 2: Everyone's congratulating Scum as if you ALL knew the flip already. What am I missing?

I KNOW MY FLIP DUH

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:52 pm

In post 5339, Almost50 wrote:@FL: Don't think for a minute that that's going to save you. so you had better kill me tonight.

P-edit:

@DGB: You trolling?

P-edit 2: Everyone's congratulating Scum as if you ALL knew the flip already. What am I missing?

Are YOU trolling????????????????????????????

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:54 pm

A50, I know my flip, I'm green. I am the townie that knows town lost.

Then you've got two that are scum who know they won.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:55 pm

In post 5336, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 5334, DrippingGoofball wrote:Well, FL. NM and Dk, congratulations, you played me good.
It was A50 and FL

So A50 is trolling. Got it.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:56 pm

In post 5352, VP Baltar wrote:I am jack's deep sense of murderous rage

You thought I was scum, you could have been the one laying down the first vote on me.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:58 pm

Masterly played by scum, much to my chagrin!

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:59 pm

In post 5358, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jackson gave the opening with his Universal Backup claim, and then him saying "ScumFL never kills me here".

Not Mafia also gave away that he had just targeted Jackson, so it was the perfect storm.

With Kkoba gone, and us in the final 5, it reset this game almost completely.

You were very convincing to me, as as Dk.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm

I didn't feel that VP would lay the first vote, and because I was read as scum my Marky Mark, then misread DK as town, I thought that if laid the first vote, that it would turn against me.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:01 pm

In post 5363, Flavor Leaf wrote:I specifically wanted to bring Not Mafia and VP into the finals. I made sure to set the game up for it.

There's about 12 pages of scum PT.

Why VP?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:02 pm

My mafia-self-esteem is officially in the dumps!!!!!

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:38 pm

I'm going back to the newbie queue.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:49 pm

In post 5419, VP Baltar wrote:Perhaps if DGB had helped me yeet Koba over Marky, I would have seen her as obv town and the lim pool would have been a hell of a lot smaller.

For me to save Marky would have been suicidal.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:46 pm

In post 5492, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah that makes sense. I was super upset to find out who taylor was after what happened this game.

WHO was it???

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:49 pm

In post 5499, DkKoba wrote:DGB im so heartbroken, you didnt want me to win so badly </3 after the sweet letter i sent to you???

Hey I wanted to recover some my dignity!!!

DrippingGoofball · Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:39 pm

In post 5505, DkKoba wrote:
In post 5503, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5499, DkKoba wrote:DGB im so heartbroken, you didnt want me to win so badly </3 after the sweet letter i sent to you???
Hey I wanted to recover some my dignity!!!
you can be honorary 4th mafia member !!!

Winner winner!

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:45 am

In post 5536, Marky Mark wrote:Thanks for the game all and WP the scumteam.

DGB, I'm sorry for spending a fair slice of the game tunneling you. If it makes you feel any better, I was SRing A50 for coasting too and I was right about him so my methods aren't
completely
flawed

That's the kind of mafia misadventure that makes memories we can laugh at later.

I am sorry I was rude to you.

I hope to play with you again... and don't let the scum play me like a violin the whole game next time!

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:46 am

I meant won't not don't oops

DrippingGoofball · Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:40 am

In post 5554, DkKoba wrote:It took 2 very well executed scum gambits to win

Yes. And that's much to the scumteam's credit!