In post 165, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i think mastina is town here and her skye townread feels well thought out here
I feel like I should point out that, to my memory, Ari hasn't posted much since then so that's far from a locktown read on the Ari head (I still
lean
town on Ari, but he's not given enough to locktown him),
but that having been said
, I actually really like Mew's contributions. Granted, I don't think I have meta on Mew (and if I do, I can at least say that right now I don't remember it), but I can say that, without knowing Mew's meta, at least in isolation, I townread Mew's play here.
So.
Townread Mew's play albeit without meta to reaffirm it; weak townread on Ari's play with the caveat that he needs to post more; overall conclusion: probably a town slot, so yes, overall a townread.
In post 165, TheGoldenParadox wrote:my reads here:
probtown: mastina, plusjoyed, gypyx
leantown: skye, dt
null: akarin
leanscum: dunnstral
probscum: niccage
Welcome to my pocket, TGB; you're locktown now.
Only read here I have any disagreement with is Akarin, who I think is town here.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:28 am
by Akarin
@Mastina, TGP
I'm gonna fight you on NicCage if it comes to that, but any interest in doing this with me instead?
In post 170, Gypyx wrote:Also why is akarin in null? He's pretty towny imo
She. And really when there are only 2 scum in the game, handing out townreads to everyone else but me and the 2 scumreads makes that null realistically a lean scum on TGP's part.
Is that a scumslip? Like, how do you know there are only 2 scum in the game?
VOTE: Akarin
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:12 am
by SKYEscrapers
In post 1, schadd_ wrote:
there will either be 7 town and 2 mafia, or 4 town pitted against 5 self-aligned opposing factions, two of which have some mutuality in wincon and will be able to communicate via private thread. mafia are assumed multitasking; day talk is enabled everywhere. complementary slackness can be expected to hold given the typical assumptions.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:14 am
by SKYEscrapers
and anyway it's typical
The Empress
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:17 am
by Akarin
So the real question is, if we get a Mafia flip rather than a 3rd party flip, is this a townslip for Gypyx?
Akarin, while you're here, why did you assume 2 scum vs 7 town?
Because it literally says that in the setup.
5 3rd parties of which 2 of them share a wincon and a PT is a 2-player scumteam. But we know which it is as soon as we get a non-town flip.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:32 am
by Gypyx
In post 184, NicCage wrote:Gypyx, your wagon has shrunk a little, but I don't think anyone who unvoted announced a change in opinion. Additionally, Akarin earlier said she would support either you or DT.
So in a way, you didn't just make it to T-1, you already got 5 votes and you're practically launched off into space.
I wonder, what's your plan on getting out of this situation? I don't think playing it cool is going to work.
I don't have a plan, like, just play the game and hope peoples can read me? Idk
Akarin, while you're here, why did you assume 2 scum vs 7 town?
Because it literally says that in the setup.
5 3rd parties of which 2 of them share a wincon and a PT is a 2-player scumteam. But we know which it is as soon as we get a non-town flip.
You said
only
2 scum though, that's not the same thing
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:36 am
by Akarin
It is as far as scumhunting goes.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:40 am
by Akarin
Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:40 am
by schadd_
Spoiler:
vote count 1.3
Gypyx (2):
DoubtingThomas, PlusJOYED
NicCage (2):
TheGoldenParadox, mastina
TheGoldenParadox (1):
SKYEscrapers
Dunnstral (1):
Akarin
Akarin (1):
Gypyx
not voting (2):
Dunnstral, NicCage
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to Perform a Dastardly Deed. day 1 ends november 9th at 10:50 central US time; in (expired on 2020-11-09 10:50:00)
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:47 am
by Gypyx
Yeah, akarin's reaction doesn't feel genuine, like, he's making kinda convoluted explainations and trying to deflect the pressure
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:50 am
by Akarin
In post 216, Gypyx wrote:Yeah, akarin's reaction doesn't feel genuine, like, he's making kinda convoluted explainations and trying to deflect the pressure
She
And what don't you understand?
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:52 am
by SKYEscrapers
no, it's exactly the same assumptions i make. it's not a scum thought. geeze
The Empress
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:56 am
by Akarin
@DoubtingThomas, PlusJOYED, & NicCage
Do you 3 agree with this logic?
In post 214, Akarin wrote:Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.
Gypyx quoted himself saying I was towny in the post where he voted me, then doubled down on the argument after the setup was quoted by someone other than me, defending me basically immediately after he voted.
I just wanted specific yes/no responses from the people on the Gypyx wagon in particular but of course I'm happy to hear what everyone else thinks too.
In post 214, Akarin wrote:Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.
Gypyx quoted himself saying I was towny in the post where he voted me, then doubled down on the argument after the setup was quoted by someone other than me, defending me basically immediately after he voted.
I agree that Gypyx's behavior is bizarre, and I don't think it is targeted at a particular plan, even the one you mentioned. Gypyx is already on the chopping block, why would he go to bat harder against a competing wagon on his buddy then he would on himself?
One explanation could be that Gypyx sees the sense in what I said to him, even if he didn't acknowledge it directly, but I don't think it makes sense for him to cast around for targets like this as scum.
Ignoring the strangeness this response:
In post 216, Gypyx wrote:Yeah, akarin's reaction doesn't feel genuine, like, he's making kinda convoluted explainations and trying to deflect the pressure
It's not a particularly strong choice of targets. First, there's zero interest in an Akarin wagon. Choosing me is not great. It makes more sense, but this is an odd and roundabout way to do that. On top of all that, calling an Akarin/Nic scumteam is a complete flipflop on his reads. There are softer and more natural targets. This is probably that best argument for a connection with Dunn, since this would have been an easy way to go.
Thinking about it, I do agree that it is too weird to be scum. I will say, however, that I am not comfortable with the slot.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:24 am
by NicCage
VOTE: Dunnstral
I am on board for this. I see little in the way of productive gameplay. After his very early suspicion on me, I was expecting a different trajectory than what has emerged. All I see is a couple comments and him asking questions primarily when he is the target of someone else's reads. No votes and no reads of his own.
Yet he is around, since he's responding. And active elsewhere on the site too.
Because the you-Nic interactions scream scum-scum and your play is highly lackluster; I'd like to think I know you as a player well enough to reliably get a read on when you're town and this game I'm not seeing the town at all.
I usually can see you as town from your first three or so posts at latest, generally speaking.
You've more than that and those townvibes are nonexistent.
Mastina, I am curious about Dunnstral's usual play, do you think you could characterize it further?
Additionally, @DoubtingThomas:
You indicated that you played with Dunnstral before earlier, if I remember correctly. What's your opinion on his play?
