Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm having my own Cakez moment for Noraa.

what does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would Guillotina pretend to be a newbie while making obscure references to the fermi hydra?

I have a very good idea.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a blade who was softing driver yesterday (particularly via my *I am targetting between hot and catchup hydrae").

So, I was the "liar."

But, it's MWNN?

Why'd you take great pains to deny this until this point? Seems like you waited until Noraa called someone else out to then out your own lie and make her look bad. That doesn't seem like townie behavior to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cabd are you trying to go Guillotina today or Noraa?

I know it's been like an hour, not asking you to commit, just wondering whether I should read through the wall ASAP or whether it can wait a bit

This just feels sus to me for some reason
why'd y'all ask this?

[Gamma Emerald]

- Noraa's posts are remarkably shallow.

FOR FUCKS SAKE, THIS IS A TOWN TELL FOR NORAA
SCUM NORAA IS EXTREMELY MINDFUL OF COMPOSITION AND TENDS TO WALL A FAIR AMOUNT ACTUALLY, SINCE SHE WORRIES A LOT ABOUT HOW SHE IS PERCEIVED
A LACK OF THAT WOULD PROBABLY RESULT IN HER SOUNDING SHALLOW SINCE HER THOUGHT PROCESS ISN'T AS FLESHED OUT AS SHE'D AIM FOR AS SCUM. THEREFORE SHALLOW SOUNDING NORAA IS TOWN NORAA

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t deny anything. I pressed them to out it because I suspected they were lying.

but the way you outed your own lie felt a little grimy, like you were pulling a gotcha on Noraa
If you're gonna fire Lie Bullets you're going to have to Cross Swords with me.

[Gamma Emerald]

lowkey cabd r u cheating?

If Noraa somehow flips scum, and Guillo also does, kill this probably.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Noraa's reaction to Cabd was a lot more concerned with asserting that Cabd & co. weren't all that great over genuinely trying to sort Cakez/Cabd. Their defensiveness was kind of fine? But I'm concerned as to why they're so concerned with shooting down other players' ego over just sorting them/the people following them, the concern is to win the game not prove Cabd is a moron.

The moment I voiced an opinion that didn't fit with his, he immediately just jumped at me. Thats not exactly welcoming.

Yeah I was getting a feeling people were getting on me D1 not because they legit thought I was scum but because of, in essence, not wanting me around. remember my "dark thoughts" I mentioned before? THIS IS WHAT I MEANT!!! It feels like the entire game has developed a primitive mindset of just attacking the people they dislike and trying to oust them from the game unfairly. Essentially it seems like y'all don't want Noraa to be playing here. It felt the same way about y'alls approach to me approach to me until I realized it wasn't that prevalent against me. But it really does feel like there's some personal vendetta you guys are levelling against Noraa and it's pretty fucked up.

[Gamma Emerald]

It means nothing n in terms of reads
It's all about personal feelings, not game moves
scum or town could act that way, the issue is it's super alienating and disturbing to feel like you're being told to piss off by the people you joined a game with
Like jesus, didn't realize I was that much of a fucking problem to you, why didn't you say so before the game started so I could leave and not deal with this
(this is kinda just me speaking how I felt when I was having those feelings. I'm NOT speaking for Noraa here)

[Gamma Emerald]

Really curious who this driver was...already have some suspicions

if my driver wants to claim, they can.

okay so at a certain point I realized based on the results Noraa got it was better to make this clear earlier rather than later, yes I was her driver, and I also received the same information she did from her action.
In addition there's some stuff I feel like talking about that she said in our link PT. She talked about trying to bait NK on her, and the way she's described her ability has a sort of variability I think is more likely to be town just not focusing on the same detail vs. scum failing to keep their story straight. I'd compared her in another game to Tywin Lannister in Mini Normal 1905, who had claimed rolecop but called himself cop a few times. I feel like that sort of inconsistency is more towny because it's semi-stable with the claim but it means they aren't so worried about consistency that they aren't filtering down every little thing that doesn't line up about what they are saying.
Another thing I'd like to discuss involves how I perceived her power she used as strong. After I saw what it actually did, I changed my mind about it. But I can definitely see how that could be the perception if thinking about it as a rolecop. But it essentially is a blade cop, which isn't nearly as powerful, except for drivers I guess, to clarify possible targets for linking. She'd said she'd get on looking at who would be told her investigative result exactly, but she never told me, and idk if clarifying it publicly is wise? I'll leave it to her. That also is why I figured I'd claim, so I wouldn't get leered at for concealing that I knew the same thing she did, which actually has a tangible effect for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am 100% NOT OKAY with eliminating Noraa here. If you do so and she flips town I will make an effort to comandeer this game's direction assuming I have the energy to and don't get drowned out. Because Noraa is obvtown to me and eliminating her over someone who is NOT obvtown makes me really skeptical of whether I want to continue following your lead.

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably Scum

LLD

Why?
Also what of the names you left out?

I made a pretty decent spoilered wall regarding this at end of Day 1. I don't think you've read it.

If a name wasn't included, I didn't know where to put them. With the exception of one name that wasn't included because I don't think there's a point (I do think they're town though).

could you quote it
even then I DON'T want to lim LLD today based on her role softing

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Guillo

This is obvious scum.

They actively tried to save Sircakez, and then bussed at the end. They hopped off Noraa.

Yesterday I said LLD and Guillo were the 2 I was suspicious of, i pushed LLD, and from that I believe Guillo to be scum here.

yeah one thing I want to bring up is Noraa was PRETTY MUCH the counterwagon to Cakez. Are we really thinking we wagoned scum and then also counterwagoned scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

lol I said that while blissfully unaware of what cobra said on this page about that matter

[Gamma Emerald]

Maria scum.

No. I think I've figured out how to read Claire again, and she isn't scum here. Plus LLD seems to be claiming some result that indicates that Claire is town.

[Gamma Emerald]

There's a guilty on Noraa.

WHERE?!??!?
If you miselim Noraa with this horseshit you forfeit your right to fucking lead this town. Idc if I'm the one who takes the reigns or not, faking a guilty on obvtown is goddamn horrendous.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so... we will leave the thread open so we can partner hunt, Noraa is confirmed scum.

Which once again points to Guillatina slot partner equity.

So you claim to have Amnesiac Copped Noraa? I am not voting my obvtown read without a fullclaim of what the nature of the guilty is. No need to claim anything beyond that, and you can seek to convince enough people to where my vote is irrelevant. But I am dead certain about this practically, so being able to recalibrate now would actually help a fair amount.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wonder if that means something is up, and Gamma's faking to try to get sympathy town read. :shrug:

full send Noraa, I guess.

Do-do-do- HOOO, HOOO, HOOO
I'm about to go apeshit I s2g

[Gamma Emerald]

Only if I get to be Koichi.

llllooooollll
I'm so glad you got that

[Gamma Emerald]

It's not about the fact she forgot what her flavor was, it's just that it looks fabricated based on the way she said it. Her name is Poppy. I called her Poopie idk I don't know the flavor let me read my PM.

Christ

She had barely comprehended her role when I asked about the investigative action reception
not getting the flavor name exact isn't a goddamn slip or anything.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, am I scum?

You can’t discredit my day play and crumbing stuff here, too. It’s not going to work when I’m still alive.

You're not feeling as sus as trickle-down but I still feel like your treatment of Noraa is disingenuous if Noraa flips town

[Gamma Emerald]

Here's the thing, you're gonna like scumNacho. it's just a thing.

It's like, if Skitter is scum, she's gonna be a universal town read.

double lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Noraa if you're town you've gotta reveal that one shot ability

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma look at the wagons when Cakez was at 9 votes and Noraa is at 6. Who’s scum on the Noraa wagon? Is Cakez wagon all town?

Ninja-
Agreeing with flavor. Nacho had some vintage moments I liked though.

the issue with this is no official VC has those numbers

[Gamma Emerald]

I cover the wagons. At that 6 vote counterwagon peak we have- flames, Cabd, Cakez, bm, flavor, me.

Who’s scum in that pool?

Ninja-
Ayyy lmao

outside of cakez the only one I think makes sense there would be you, just by reads
I don't have much of a thought to wagonomics there

[Gamma Emerald]

and I also received the same information she did from her action.

I don't need specifics, but what kind of information are you claiming to have received here?

I got the results PM for her action
any intel on the actual power is from what she claimed in link PT/here

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor do you see created hoods or what? Are you a pt spy?

He shouldn't answer this.

He fullclaimed to me.

he is 150% town, end of topic.

sign. I'm gonna be really pissed if this is wrong, and a fucking wreck if this is right. I'm emotionally invested in Noraa!town rn so seeing it coming up contrary makes me feel not-good.

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh flavor did you miss the part where me and Noraa had a link

[Gamma Emerald]

Firebringer link me.

Or we can leash gamma to me.

I'd rather pair with LLD tonight if possible?

wrt voting guillo or noraa for me it probably boils down to whether noraa claims that one shot ability and what it is, because it sounded like that thing was something that would make her near conf town or whatever

[Gamma Emerald]

I would prefer people linked to people they townread and not just because someone asked. I think intent can be determined based on who links with who.

Such as..why'd you try to link with Nacho Bell?

Cause of their riding the blade joke.
I'm shitty at crumbs.
Did not want to link with super obvious blades that had already claimed because I was worried there would be overflow.

yeah I myself incidentally noticed they had crumbed blade pretty hard

[Gamma Emerald]

My cheeky attempt at calling the scumteam: {cakez, noraa, lld, guill, gamma}

This is actually probably very wrong, but I'd think it would be hilarious.

Probably not gamme. Could replace with MWNN/Beeboy.

That would "oops, all low effort" scumteam, no?

Don't think gamma's scum as opposed to very emotionally over-invested town that needs the reset.

calling me low effort feels insulting

[Gamma Emerald]

btw unwnd if you don't tr me yet you're not gonna all game but I'm town so don't waste time with me k?

Guillo flipping scum is the best way to save LLD town.

This would probably make me want LLD's flip more, to be honest.

most of what you've said has made me displeased but this checks out in a way

[Gamma Emerald]

I need this answered:

Best protect target: flavor leaf
Best roleblock target: guillotina/reaganomics
Wild: idfk what this means

feel free to not answer if you're scared

[Gamma Emerald]

I really struggle to reconcile the fact Noraa seemed to indicate her one shot ability would be sufficient to dissuade people on her with the idea she's scum here
the way she came to that statement felt really natural I think

[Gamma Emerald]

that's essentially like an indecisive-ifier but for power instead of target

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's pretty random to call beeboy scum

nah
this is a p dumb rule but essentailly I believe if beebs doesn't obvtown he's scum
he hasn't obvtowned this game and in fact has felt a little scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

In HV I was facing a mechanical doomsday scenario
Here that’s not entirely certain yet, and I’m just trying to deal with the fact one of my strongest reads might be wrong in a way that will shake me to my core

Also, you keep throwing out softball points against me like you’re testing the waters. I don’t like it one bit.

[Gamma Emerald]

I only have mechanical use if I’m leashed to certain players. I don’t know if you are one, and don’t think finding out is wise rn. LLD would be better.

[Gamma Emerald]

And I could be and am town who doesn’t want to rush a decision on a person I can’t reconcile being scum rn, and I’m displeased you’re trying to force a dichotomy of how I’m acting here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually Noraa is Ellitelling pretty hard rn
Until she a) returns and b) reveals her other ability I’m not gonna fight it
But like can we please not leash me to someone I don’t have faith in being someone who can make use of MY specific benefits

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually Noraa is Ellitelling pretty hard rn
Until she a) returns and b) reveals her other ability I’m not gonna fight it
But like can we please not leash me to someone I don’t have faith in being someone who can make use of MY specific benefits

not caught up but my other ability is a 1 shot wagon cop.
I don't get to know who are the mafia members on the wagon but I get to know quantity.

Okay great. I have a plan, if we’re playing limming Guillo today and having me pair with Noraa again tonight. Essentially we just use this on the Cakez lim, since Cobra was speculating on the numbers there already I think he should be down?

And just so this is clear, I am explicitly clarifying my role is at least part of how I can be sure this is a plan that can bear fruit. And if Noraa is scum she’s either lying which puts her in a notorious pickle or telling the truth which puts her in almost the same pickle anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

I get to know quantity.

it didn't change drastically lol. I just specified more details about the ability is all.

Yeah nothing changed
Noraa has two abilities that check wagons, one that checks for blade functionality that’s unlimited use and a one shot sensor that tells the # of scum on the wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

What did gamma say when you told him you weren't using your wagon cop?

She never specified it was a sensor power in the link PT
She did say, however, she intended to use it “on” me, which confuses me a little? Was she gonna cop

the wagon on me

or

the wagon I was on

?

[Gamma Emerald]

I will know for a fact if Noraa gets up to ANY funny business. I will 100% full claim D3 no matter what happens, given we go with the plan I proposed.

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s probably one other thing that should be done if we do my plan, to account for the one legitimate partial out Noraa has.,SOMEONE has to figure out who Noraa pairs with.

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone clear me tonight because if I'm just going to be lynched tomorrow I'm not going to bother reading the game TIA

This is how town wins games everybody.

Yeah that’s p much what I did in MBoS 10

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s probably one other thing that should be done if we do my plan, to account for the one legitimate partial out Noraa has.,SOMEONE has to figure out who Noraa pairs with.

She doesn't have to pair with anyone.

Did the “blades HAVE TO choose a partner” thing get disproven?

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s probably one other thing that should be done if we do my plan, to account for the one legitimate partial out Noraa has.,SOMEONE has to figure out who Noraa pairs with.

She doesn't have to pair with anyone.

Did the “blades HAVE TO choose a partner” thing get disproven?

Blades absolutely have to pick a driver if at least one driver picks them.

But Drivers aren't forced to visit every blade, or any blade for that matter.

Okay. Let's say I visit her with intent to leash her. What's her only out in the pairing stage of the game?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you've read The Thing Mafia you should know I'm a radical thinker who cares little for the threats of people who haven't put the same thought I have into things.
I'll fullclaim now if y'all want, but my role ensures there's no way Noraa escapes past D3 if she is scum without conceding critical information.

[Gamma Emerald]

Does Spiffeh leash work for everyone else?

Why the fuck are y'all okay leashing spiffeh but not Noraa when I HAVE A DEFINED PLAN FOR LEASHING NORAA AT THIS EXACT TIME

[Gamma Emerald]

norra what drugs do u take

drivers don't have abilities. Flavor is scum unless he can explain why he didn't show up as a blade and somehow "got a guilty on me"

there's plenty of ways -_-
Noraa the only way I don't lim you is if you acknowledge my plan at least by saying "hey I see this and think it has merit"

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI if I don't see explicit agreement from a substantial amount of people with my plan but we still lim spiffeh I will still do the plan, barring being outright countered in my logic in a way that effectively convinces me not to.
would rather be clear about this now

[Gamma Emerald]

My plan essentially involves stabbing Noraa with Morton's fork where she either concedes her life or a hideous amount of info that scum would never want town to have.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a flowchart in progress but it spells out parts I want left implicit if possible

[Gamma Emerald]

Do y'all want the flowchart or are you okay with me just typing out things? What specific reservations do you guys have aorn?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean Gamma's flowchart is fucking useless he still thinks there's a chance of Noraa-town guys.

After my plan goes through, regardless of the evidence gathered, I'm gonna be fine limming Noraa D3. I just want the chance to sniff out the potential truth beneath the odor of deceit!

Yeah I'm gonna post my flowchart. gimme a sec

[Gamma Emerald]

Eww. Change your avi back.

funni lawyer troll go brrrrr

[Gamma Emerald]

Took some pains to get this to work, but here’s the flowchart in all the glory of my sloppy handwriting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh ok no for a second I thought everyone had to choose someone to pair with every night phase

To be clear, I am

NOT

pairing up with anyone tonight as my role requires me to not be linked in order to use

Your predecessor softed blade pretty hard, I thought

Actually if you have flavor knowledge those were very much Driver crumbs

[Gamma Emerald]

*Snip*

We already have a claimed guilty on Noraa.

I know, and I'm fine with pursuing that D3. But I want to squeeze as much information out of this as I can. There are 3 distinct points in that chain where info can be gathered where it does not yet exist (if scum pairs with Noraa we can catch that scum, if I die my flip is gained over a person we are already certain is town, and if a result is gained I get whatever the result says as new info). The idea is entirely to extend our info base to narrow the room scum have to operate. This information lemon is gonna be squeezed so damn hard it's gonna squeak, like the scalemate sharing its scent.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Spiffeh could be in that “this isn’t my scum game if i get faded, doesn’t count if i lose” mode.

btw this mindset always makes me want to purge the person

[Gamma Emerald]

But that's a shitty reason to townbum me here because line cakes died for my case sins.


Like them I didy eggortwallz. Irs really weird you chose that was your townbum reason.


But is that you're scum so like you don't need a lehit reason.

this is drunk Roxy levels of typos XD

[Gamma Emerald]

Bad Brian. Lld is good shilesomebirbwhisnugglws townies

I endorse this product

[Gamma Emerald]

Agrypodgeon

who dis

[Gamma Emerald]

Ojnujimeqncobrakwi.

Definitely not qhrygey pidgeon alt

yeah that's what I thought you meant :/

[Gamma Emerald]

my flavor does fits my role based on my knowledge
I can at least smell the line of thought causing that connection

[Gamma Emerald]

it makes very little sense for scum to try and save noraa today, so i dont buy the argument that scum are trying to derail the wagon on a partner.

VOTE: noraa

I think flavor and cabd's points about it make sense but it is kinda a heard concept the wrap your brain around

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm wondering why he tried to fake being a newbie while also acting like he was an old timer.

I don't think it's for any game-serving reason. You can figure out the rest.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me phrase like this.

Scum want to visit Noraa. If you are town and visit you ruin any chance town has to catch scum who might visit her.

Do you see how the flowchart establishes that me doing my plan doesn't remove the ability to get that guilty at all?

[Gamma Emerald]

scum is in that Not Voting list, at least 1.

beeboy, Gamma Emerald, Spiffeh, ManWithNoName, REAGAN BUSH 84

keeping this. 4 scum remain, 1 is on me, leaves 3.

At least 1 off (spiffeh fits), at least 1 likely on Noraa.

To further chase this line of thought. Looking at the Noraa wagon


[5] noraa (Will catch up later maybe, l4pe, unwnd, Brian Skies, Battle Mage)


I think BM is solidly town, l4pe and unwnd too. That leaves ketchup and BSkies (sorry fermis, but I'm not letting this go just because you died n1. I still sus brian, though it's not super strong yet)

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me phrase like this.

Scum want to visit Noraa. If you are town and visit you ruin any chance town has to catch scum who might visit her.

Do you see how the flowchart establishes that me doing my plan doesn't remove the ability to get that guilty at all?

They're saying that they want all drivers accounted for. So anyone who isn't confirmed visiting not-scum is suspicious.

So if you visit scum, any scum drivers that may still be in play won't have to visit her.

That makes more sense. But idk why my plan disrupts cobra's idea?

[Gamma Emerald]

The people refusing to play ball are likely scum in their final acts of defiance. Power through, town. Roleblock Noraa because even if Gamma is town he’s decided he’s scum

There's like 3 people who can confirm me doing stuff like this as town, but 2 are in absentia somewhat and the last is likely scum

[Gamma Emerald]

That you are targeting confirmed scum who has every reason to lie about their role and you are giving them the chance to take another action without risking a buddy being caught

If I wasn't clear. If Noraa is lying in any way, I'll know, and will be okay turbo-limming her D3. My death also serves as condemnation for Noraa.

[Gamma Emerald]

This is your daily reminder that lynching Spiffeh today is silly as shit especially now that he claimed a confirmable role. It's a high risk - low reward play on town's part which is needlessly stupid.

Thanks for scumclaiming based on flavor's wagon spec

[Gamma Emerald]

I presume we lynch Noraa -> LLD.

Which kinda sorta entices me into lynching Spiffeh for that alone.

But I'd rather just lynch Noraa -> LLD.

your wholehearted devotion to these two lims feels agenda-driven

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, some of you might find it kind of shocking, but I still don't townread Cobra Kai.

I don't know what it is. I just don't.

Can you try?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cabd, on a scale of 1-10, how confident are you in this?

Less than cakez, more than bell in antechamber.


Cakez was a solid 9.

This is a solid 7.5/8ish

Bell was a good 6.

what's the point of confidence where it gets to be >rand scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Will literally locktown the first of the two within {beeboy, man with no name} to pop up and vote spiffeh.

Is there an issue with me doing this instead?

your wholehearted devotion to these two lims feels agenda-driven

Yes, it's called lynching scum.

I don't think your adamance about it is natural, though. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't think this is an especially strong tell, but it's also not the only thing that's bugged me about you.
But on the point in question, it feels like you're trying to project a townie driven to push his scumreads rn. It feels like your confidence isn't legitimate, but there for appearances. The key reason I feel this is you didn't flinch in your beliefs when it looked like LLD and Claire were clearing each other for night action stuffs.

[Gamma Emerald]

Uhhh, 0 is "rand" 5 is "75% confident" and 10 is "I have a guilty"

9 is "I have a extremely strong meta tell" guilty

7.5? This is "Everything about the way I see the game at present clicks" but I have no meta tell or mechanical guilty, and is about as high as I can go without either of those.

cool

I AM CAUGHT UP WITH THE DAY'S EVENTS YESSS

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: spiffeh

[Gamma Emerald]

Noraa, surely you don't want to deny the man his kodak moment?

I don't think Noraa knows what a Kodak Moment is.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure she does, she had one in Death Scroll.


I think she was born after Kodak went byebye though!

Has it been nommed?

[Gamma Emerald]

he's paragone get it right

[Gamma Emerald]

he's secretly peregrineV?

nah both of them were in The Thing Mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

trolling is always worth it. I would know, that's what I am!

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I might be starting to cotton to that

[Gamma Emerald]

They go out the window because Noraa is dead >:/
As for who I target to pair with instead, LLD most likely, since my only other consideration, Flavor, I can’t pair with.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sleep was extremely fleeting.

Noraa intends to prod dodge I guess.

:/

Gamma if we flip noraa-scum today what happens to your plans?

Why post anything of note when the town is trying to lynch a claimed one-shot vig?


Scum need the town to make this bone-headed lynch and as long as they stop talking and you and Cobra keep talking they just might.

But luckily I'm here to ruin your plans and derail this wagon.

Unless Spiffeh is scum and cabd is right, in which case scum are likely doing exactly what you are

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma - That one thing he drew up looked pretty townie shallow read

Okay don’t do that because that was never ever the intent
I just wanted to convey my plan in a theatrical way. Could absolutely do that as town or scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, it's Nacho.
Hi Nacho.

Why are you currently voting Spiffeh?
Why do you think my reasons for tabling him for later are bad?

I don't I'm in your camp in spirit.
Well actually not really I still think Spiffeh is scum, just DGB good scum with a neat fake claim to get us to hesitate.
I just also think I could be wrong and always want to kill scum when we have scum. So I'd prefer Noraa first and then Spiffeh tmrw.
But I'm not going to fight this.

Tbh. If both Noraa and Spiffeh are true claiming or very close to it as scum. Who do you fear more? This is an open-ended question, answer if you’d like even if you’re not the person being directly spoken to here.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I’m voting there I want to be the coup-de-grace, in part for my own sanity. In addition, I hope no one objects with my trying to do what I’ve suggested for myself re: pairing selection.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Noraa
Good night, sweet princess. May a chorus of angels sing thee to thy rest.

[Gamma Emerald]

Man crow sucks, and not just because when they’re alive they’re annoying as shit, and also not just because of the memories they evoke
Am I taking the pseudo-roleplay too far?

[Gamma Emerald]

prolly scum somewhere in that weird pool of people who aren't lurking but also aren't particularly active
people like (cobra, reagan bush, beeboy, Maria, MWNN)

FYI I don’t really object to almost any of that pool

[Gamma Emerald]

Unwnd U think you and I might have some things in common.
Let’s chat sometime outside the game, mkay?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah. Hey gamma. For what it's worth I'm sorry man. I wanted to be town with her too.

Yeah. I’m gonna feel even shittier if I was right.

[Gamma Emerald]

I hope so cabd.

[Gamma Emerald]

unwnd pls put out like a summary of all these “one but not both” ideas you, and possibly everyone else, have been throwing out. There’s a lot to my knowledge.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also since nobody gives a fuck to claim the towncred for this, I’ll call it out myself. My approach to reading the thread actually quite resembles my scum one, especially from the second anon dance.

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on absolutely nothing and just trying to guess someone's intent through experience and tone

I like the idea of Spiffeh shooting in Reagan/MWNN/Beeboy a lot more now than before

Same

[Gamma Emerald]

{Cabd, Battle Mage, Flavor Leaf}
{Gamma Emerald, Bell, unwnd}
{Firebringer, Brian Skies, LLD}
NULL LINE
{Dunnstral, MariaR}
{}

Flavor’s dead yo

[Gamma Emerald]

Cabd's Role

I am Roc, a blade. My role is a gated cop. My exact restrictions are for me to know, and for mafia to have to shoot me even though I might already be spent, to find out.

The thing is, I'm such a birdbrain that I give my results to my driver, not to myself. Hence, Amnesiac. Bell was my driver last night. Flavor leaf was my "driver" per say night one.

Bell Is Effectively Confirmed Town

Scumbell literally can lie and say innocent here. Therefore, Bell is effectively confirmed town to me. Revisit this in 3P or whatever, but no sooner.

What Next?

I am working out a fullclaim order. The TLDR is that I may have some unconventional reads, and that my time is limited and I intend to maximize it.

Are You Off Your Meds?

Yes (If by meds you mean opioid painkillers), and sorry for the incredibly poor taste mood swings and such that made it into the thread. The past ten days have been absolutely miserably painful.

Cool.

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how was everyone's thanksgiving?
hope it was good yep yep

Unwell.

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You know that every game following this our reads are going to be awful, right?

For every genius move you make must be followed by a moronic one.

You should be we, I was trying to be philosophical

It’s worth it for the clip imo

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I did too >:D

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To potentially gain more info from them.
Don’t you fucking discredit me like that here, or idc if you’re town I WILL open a can of whoop-ass.

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Yeah I’m gonna give them until Monday and if they’re not here I’m gonna declare this beyond standard Nancy absence allowance

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asceticizing players to stop kills on them

What??? Ascetic does not work that way

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Holy shit dgb isn't even in this game but the axiom.

You think the confusion is fake, or what?

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asceticizing players to stop kills on them

What??? Ascetic does not work that way

Tell the mod that then. If we’re blade we have the power to stop kills by asceticizing them. Feel free to pm the mod if you don’t believe me.

That’s called a rolestop I’m pretty sure? Does it also cause other actions on them to fail?

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Didn’t we already cover how Bork does fake claims

Yeah I was thinking about this

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I wouldn’t get info from the mod on your role >:~

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This claim just
Doesn’t make sense? Does bork fly in the face of established role functions like this? Penguin is a NRG member so I’d expect him to lean towards not doing that.

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Drivers actually work as Captains, not redirectors

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This claim just
Doesn’t make sense? Does bork fly in the face of established role functions like this? Penguin is a NRG member so I’d expect him to lean towards not doing that.

PM him, you don’t understand how our role works. You’re being worse here than I was in CoD.

It’s not MY job to figure out how YOUR role works? And even if it was I wouldn’t get a straight answer anyway.

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My current theory is the last two are NC 39 and ketchup

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This claim just
Doesn’t make sense? Does bork fly in the face of established role functions like this? Penguin is a NRG member so I’d expect him to lean towards not doing that.

PM him, you don’t understand how our role works. You’re being worse here than I was in CoD.

It’s not MY job to figure out how YOUR role works? And even if it was I wouldn’t get a straight answer anyway.

It is your job if you’re town not to make wrong assumptions and make incorrect reads based on that.

Okay, but it’s your role that’s unclear, not mine.

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Monetos is not even an actual character name it seems
Googling gave a result of Ontos as the closest thing

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Vote me then.

VOTE: Cobra

Your wish is my command.

This 1v1 is not happening today.
I can’t believe it looks like Nero is gonna be the reasonable one (not saying this to spite you FYI)

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Vote me then.

VOTE: Cobra

Your wish is my command.

This 1v1 is not happening today.
I can’t believe it looks like Nero is gonna be the reasonable one (not saying this to spite you FYI)

How am I being even remotely unreasonable here? I don’t want to go through whztever thzt game was where me and Ari were misexecuted and then the genius town misexecuted obvtown Mastina for correctly reading us. I’m not going through that again if I can help it.

If you had bothered to read one bit of today’s proceedings you might realize we have guiltied scum already today. So we’re not going to do your pet 1v1 today,

sorry

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If it’s that bad why’d you bother replacing in? You should have been able to tell this game was going yo be a mechanical monstrosity.

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VOTE: Spiffeh
MariaR if you were a cop who would you target rn?

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If it’s that bad why’d you bother replacing in? You should have been able to tell this game was going yo be a mechanical monstrosity.

I thought Nero would understand it. He’s the one who pm’d the mod and I agreed and Gamma if our friendship means anything to you, fucking drop this, Kill me today or don’t but this is just mean.

Okay yeah I’ll leave it, but you should give him a chance to participate given that.

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Because you pose less of a threat role-wise?

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Me targeting Cabd would be a complete waste of my passive.

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Gamma we’ve disagreed on every mechanical moment so far. I didn’t expect it to stop now.

It’s honestly fucking hilarious how much my passive is a waste with a Cabd partner. Like straight up ironic.

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No I caught derp because they sounded awkward. The third person talk was a symptom of that.

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Is that a flavor reference or no

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Spiffeh’s vote was hammer

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What is even happening

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What is even happening

Not much, what's happening with you?

Well, I just had two games end with the scum team conceding in a span of <24 hours

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the only Hint I've gotten was "newr than BM, older than me"
speaking of BM, I do legitimately think your town playstyle is inherently detrimental to the games you are in.

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speaking of BM, I do legitimately think your town playstyle is inherently detrimental to the games you are in.

this is how u determine if battle mage is town.

Yes, but I'd like if it wasn't.

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I’m happy I had Noraa and Guillo Day 1. Spiffeh would have flown under me.

I didn’t mean to quote, was gonna respond but changed my mind

I was flattered spiff called me obvtown but it was muddied by him being scum somewhat

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You got Sakura Hana out of my play here?

Interesting

yeah that's a wild one

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Also I wanna out this now. I was a driver whose passive was to always get the investigative results of my blade partner's investigative action for the night regardless of how the role would otherwise allocate that info. Now the reason it was Ironic? I was VANDHAM, aka ROC'S DRIVER. Two characters linked in the flavor pretty heavily had absolutely ZERO SYNERGY together.

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Also I wanna out this now. I was a driver whose passive was to always get the investigative results of my blade partner's investigative action for the night regardless of how the role would otherwise allocate that info. Now the reason it was Ironic? I was VANDHAM, aka ROC'S DRIVER. Two characters linked in the flavor pretty heavily had absolutely ZERO SYNERGY together.

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Also I wanna out this now. I was a driver whose passive was to always get the investigative results of my blade partner's investigative action for the night regardless of how the role would otherwise allocate that info. Now the reason it was Ironic? I was VANDHAM, aka ROC'S DRIVER. Two characters linked in the flavor pretty heavily had absolutely ZERO SYNERGY together.

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speaking of BM, I do legitimately think your town playstyle is inherently detrimental to the games you are in.

this is how u determine if battle mage is town.

Yes, but I'd like if it wasn't.

can you actually stop whinging about me? You are honestly amongst the most unpleasant players I've played with on this site, because you throw tantrums whenever people question you, and when nobody is questionning you, you resort to baiting people like this.

I don't always throw tantrums, but imo there's been a lot of shitty suspicion thrown my way these days. And I think the vast impression I've gotten from other people is I'm a pretty nice guy so you're kinda alone in thinking me unpleasant? And like, I will whinge all I want because the reason I shut up during the game was because this really is an out-of-game dispute, so now is ENTIRELY the time to settle this.

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So happy to announce it you said it three times, apparently.

Kept getting PEdit'ed so I started spamming the submit button

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Like, BM, I'll admit your play this game was on point, but I still think the spam HAS TO STOP. Tbh this is less a gripe at you and more at the site as a whole, but you have been a key culprit in multiple games at this point.

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so now is ENTIRELY the time to settle this

not here it's not. thanks.

If we can determine a good neutral ground I'm willing to square off elsewhere.

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I would like to play a Titus vs Alisae like game as the scum team, someone would have to mod, and Cabd plays the town side.

That way we could be separate teams without having to argue.

Meant to quote this. Lol.

I would moderate this, if Cabd is in.

I love setups like Titus v. Alisae.

I also had the idea to do one against Isis where I was the scum stump and Isis was the town stump (unless those weren't actually part of TvA)

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Yeah, but someone who deserves the noms can have it matter, ya know. More about what you do after.

Of course, I’m saying this as the current Don and Game of the Year holder.

I would moderate this.

Assuming you meant Cabd vs Flavor Leaf. He’d have to accept the challenge.

Certain things happen pregame, you’re conf town tree stump, I’m conf scum tree stump.

I'd def play this

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tbh this probably is how the thing mafia would have turned out if town were to win
which probably would have involved me actually pushing magna to his lim D3 rather than getting shot down and just sitting there and taking the blowback
idk what point I'm legitimately trying to make here but I'm saying I feel like I can officially stop worrying about "redeeming" myself for that game

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ah I need a third game to nom Cabd for Paragon
I only have this game and Smoke

wasn't he town in warlock werewolf vampire?

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what were your reads that game? If you were on the money I think it still counts

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I think the best way for scum to counteract hyperposting by town is to pit them against one another. I don't believe adding to the density of the thread helps. Cakez was clearly here and trying to gain momentum, but it didn't matter because he never adjusted town's view. He just kept saying Cabd was tunneling the shit out of him, but didn't offer a stronger altnerative. I think scum are afraid of the pressure, but forget that town make mistakes too; just pretend you're town doing the same

this makes sense
my biggest mistake in MBoS 10 was probably trying to pit myself against MM

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Then Cobra Kai is a great Lucio. Maybe I’ll do an actual write up after I read through PT’s.

>8|

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theory debunked probably.

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Cobra Kai Funky Kong

I’ll be Diddy or Tiny.

To Cabd’s big coconut guns.

I'll be Cranky

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I have something I wanna finish up before releasing my notes

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What bugged me most about gamma is I felt his Noraa desperation defense felt the same as his isis desperation defense in village.

Yeah that was understandable but in this game I took a logical approach, there I just tried to spit venom until I got my way.

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I keep thinking of "village" as that one really creepy drealmerz fetishfic theme.

fuuuuuuck I don't wanna think about that
I still hate drealmerz for that rocky horror game

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Gamma is a sweetheart honestly, I think his earnest behavior is a boon to town, even if he wears his heart on his sleeve. I don't believe that just having right reads makes you a good player, there are other factors as well

Honestly I think the core description of my town play is “thinks logically and can deal major damage that way, but is unstable in his thought processes, sometimes shifting tracks on a whim”. In the Sburb mythological framework, I would functionally be a Bard of Mind.

What bugged me most about gamma is I felt his Noraa desperation defense felt the same as his isis desperation defense in village.

We don't talk about that game. Mod too dumb.

u were in that game???????????

MWNN = brassherald

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I keep thinking of "village" as that one really creepy drealmerz fetishfic theme.

fuuuuuuck I don't wanna think about that
I still hate drealmerz for that rocky horror game

Wasn't that the game that literally no one understood and then he blew up at everyone?

And it was still unclear who did what after he opened all PTs?

Drealmerz didn’t even open PTs iirc, he just flipped off the entire player base of his game and abandoned it

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To be fair, Gamma pushing Zbattle Mage made me correctly town read BM harder, and Gamma pushing Noraa made me realize Noraa scum harder, all while town reading Gamma.

Wut

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Dude had ISSUES. Should have listened to Alisae.

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Also thanks Bork for making sure I didn’t hydra with yet another doomed person

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But why would I think a town/blade driver wasn’t meant for me when I was mafia blade/driver?

there were 3 blade/drivers but only one fake claim that was driver/blade

Tbh this reminds me of the Sakura Wars mini that was super scum-sided in the setup balance, where scum got fake claims but they weren’t shared to everyone by default and there was no daytalk so stepping on each other’s toes was a concern

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I debated asking for self imposed geriatric mode this game.

Then realized who I was playing with.

You’re a good lad.

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Back in my day we didn’t even get fake claims. We got a list of names not in use by the town and made up the rest ourselves and we liked it!

That’s what happened in the last game ran on my homesite
It’s not a bad method tbh because it encourages freedom of thought while full fake role cards create an idea of what to be claiming

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Back in the day I would go to the local library and post in mafia games, but there was a 60 minute limit for how long you could be on the computer

I just kept telling them I was doing homework, it seemed believable enough with all the nonsense I was typing

That’s something I have done myself. Did a lot of my first anon dance posting that way.

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Okay LLD, this seems a little cruel to Noraa, no?

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;-; @ffery

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Okey
You’re the person who had the peko pfp right?

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I don’t think I played smugglers port???
Also I was never gonna really try because I am notoriously awful at figuring out mains

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I think I'm just a god at finding mains
Last time I found hectic :3

I know who to call if someone is a tough nut to crack then

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probs needa tone down the ... excessive emojis otherwise it'll be too obvi.

I can’t do secret alts because my playstyle bleeds so hard, and I do rely on anecdotal meta a lot and am like the only person who does
I tried once and gave up the ghost after like 5 posts and being called by nsg

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I’m actually pretty good at avoiding alt slipping given I played both anon dances without it happening
Hydra slips are more of a challenge I think, I can get overeager for post something and lose track of which account I’m on

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If anyone wants to hydra with me, I am in the market for a new Convict Ally, since the original idea of having it be Taylor fell through. Probably best if the applicant is female, red hair is a major plus.

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I mean it’s not a dealbreaker if you don’t
Are you a fan of the Henry Stickmin series?

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Eh. Not a problem either, but probably makes the odds of it being you slim unless no one else shows interest

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So you knew 1 scum in my pair, interesting

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84953

little late, but here's my notes PT for the game

@LLD if I misinterpreted your post about driving wagons at all pls lmk

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hell yeah

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I’ll have you know that me and Nancy Drew 39 are very close friends and anyone who does anything to hurt her will become my sworn enemy.