Mafiascum.net

Newbie 2018(Town Win)
Notes: 228 posts out of 1156 total posts, survived for town win.
Newbie 2020 (Town Win)
Notes: 282 posts out of 1758 total posts, replaced in D1 and survived for town win.
Open 791 (Town Win)
Notes: 110 posts out of 3215 total posts, replaced out D1. Heavily fatigued from last few games, was not going to do wallposts and be obvious town.

Town clidd behaviour:

Overall behaviour: Really proactive, likes wallposting when not fatigued, makes himself obvious town, very detailed analysis over all of his takes.

Tone: Likes to ask for opinions and questions, very proactive and helpful with many different takes on his reads.

Frequency: Quite active. Almost never reaches low activity.

Miscellaneous: In Open 791, clidd is noticeably fatigued from his last 2 games, so he does not make himself obvious town and starts acting slightly like his scum meta. He talks a bit about his meta, and I am currently analyzing this game to see what he has to say about his scum meta. However, clidd should not be able to use the fatigued argument here since he has literally come back from a couple month's break, no way in hell is clidd fatigued here and not actively trying to be town.
Also, he notes that he will not be doing very detailed analysis and wallposts, meaning he actually is able to control his switch from being obvious town to neutral/scummy. Interesting...


Micro 927 (Scum win)
Notes: 149 posts out of 489 total posts, survived for scum win. Partner: dsjstr
Mafia PT
Mafia Neighboorhood
Micro 939 (Scum win)
Notes: 88 posts out of 1285 total posts, replaced in D1 and replaced out D2. Partner: Flavor Leaf.
Mafia PT
Newbie 2006 (Scum win)
Notes: 37 posts out of 1468 total posts, replaced in D2.
Mafia PT intentionally private.

Scum clidd notes:

Overall behavior: Locks onto one person as his main scumread, intentionally changes his scumread only when there is a flip and interactions are used. Doesn't put nearly as much effort into his posts, and in all of these games he usually does fluffing with one liners or something similar.

Tone: Light, not too involved with solving the whole game and coordinating with his tr's. Doesn't contribute directly.

Frequency: High activity, rarely any low points.

In post 26, clidd wrote:VOTE: Trendall

There is a tell for ''hello'' without vote.

In post 48, clidd wrote:

In post 43, Trendall wrote:

In post 26, clidd wrote:VOTE: Trendall

There is a tell for ''hello'' without vote.

clidd is first mafia on the basis that he supposed loves to use meta, but didn't check back to see if this is just something I commonly do and instead thinks it's like a generalised 'tell'. These two lines of thinking aren't compatible with each other so mafia.

VOTE: clidd

I don't think there is a tell for "hello" that confirms that someone is a mafia.

And I feel like you're doing mental gymnastics by assuming that I "love" using meta (I never said I do, only that I used it in the past often), as well as ignoring the context of me being away from the site and the influence that would have in the way I'm playing.

Possible contradiction alert! Possible contradiction alert!
If you believe that there isn't a tell for "hello" that confirms that someone is mafia, then why vote for Trendall in the first place? I am confusion.

In post 26, clidd wrote:VOTE: Trendall

There is a tell for ''hello'' without vote.

Now that I have examined Trendall's meta, this is a really bad reason. Trendall starts basically all of his games with "Hello" or "Hello everyone" as town, I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with this vote/what your goals were.

In post 29, clidd wrote:Hum, I feel like my sentences are not so fluent. I need to readjust to the language.

In post 36, clidd wrote:I'll take a break, waiting for others (trendal mainly) to post.

In post 49, clidd wrote:

In post 47, ben dover123 wrote:Ok. Well, I think I can understand most of your reasons, however I'm not ready to retract my vote and my suspicious yet.

I still think you're towny in your posts.

In post 57, clidd wrote:Btw, I like your style, Ben.

You fit the leader type.

In post 63, clidd wrote:Actually no, I'm open to talk.

In post 82, clidd wrote:Ah, I'll take a break.

In post 102, clidd wrote:Scums are hiding and we'll find them.

In post 114, clidd wrote:That's all, I think.

In post 145, clidd wrote:He... He-llo..

Pl.. Players.. Afk..

Repl.. Replace..

Ben... Tren... Town..

In post 159, clidd wrote:So, I don't think I want to vote Ben/Trendall today.

Light fluff

In post 55, clidd wrote:No, people here usually wait until everyone is ready to end the day.

In post 56, clidd wrote:What can happen is if the person who is E-1 (1 vote before elimination/hammer) is mafia, he can selfhammer to deny time for town to speak.

Doesn't combine his posts and ends up double posting?

In post 102, clidd wrote:Scums are hiding and we'll find them.

I wouldn't be so sure. Most of the time there is one scum in the afk slots and one in the active slots. I feel like you are trying to guide me away from where scum actually is, but this is WIFOM. What I don't like about this post is that clidd doesn't explain some of his methods to find scum, and he doesn't apply anything more than basic tells to attack someone.

In post 111, clidd wrote:To clarify the topic 'SE', idk about everyone, but I don't think SEs take games in the newbie queue very seriously here, in the sense that we are not going to play the best we can. We are often looking for a more chill game, trying to test new styles/approaches, or we are trying to adapt to the site after a long period away (my case).

Of course, if players have any questions about the game, setup or terms used, I believe that no SE will refuse to help, but keep in mind that each one needs to absorb things on their own and find the playstyle that works better for them.

In post 113, clidd wrote:And like the name says, "newbie queue", is primarily for players who are joining the site and still in the process of learning the game.

SE players are just additions to clarify any doubts that may arise (and perhaps share some knowledge, but this varies from player to player).

There is also the case in which you have played a few matches and still do not feel comfortable playing in more competitive queues, in this case, the forum allows you to continue playing in the newbie queue with newbie players, but under the title of 'SE'.

Both of these posts achieve the same point, I'm not sure why you needed to double post here.

In post 156, clidd wrote:No saying that Trendal is lock-town, of course, but I'm leaning town on him today.

This post was literally worthless. It was a double post that rephrased his opinion about Trendall when it was already clear what he thought of Trendall in his previous post.

In post 184, clidd wrote: The ''hello'' tell and the observation of "first mafia" were both attempts to provoke a reaction, not necessarily being a serious opinion about him.

I don't understand how you associated this with malicious behavior.

So....are you going to address that you basically contradicted yourself or what? The "hello" tell that you made is absolute garbage considering Trendall's meta, and "first mafia" is no more than labeling scum. I don't get how such weak attacks will provoke reasoning from Trendall. Although, it's not malicious behavior, I will admit.

In post 185, clidd wrote:
People say when I'm town I usually obvtown, but this isn't a button that I can just turn on.

So idk if I'll eventually be obvtown to your perspective, although I already have the firm feeling that you are town.

This post isn't right with the new knowledge that clidd can manually post wallposts and detailed reads whenever he likes, aka obvious town. Also, there is a tell for "I will eventually become town", which is usually a phrase used by scum to compromise their slightly scummy behavior thus far.
Other than these specific posts, he has been asking everyone questions, but that is NAI considering that scum clidd also does this. I haven't seen any real deep analysis or contribution, which I would expect from clidd here.

Conclusion: From a meta perspective, this looks like scum clidd. Most of his posts here are similar to his scum behavior, and it looks like his general direction is going towards the scummy side.

Trendall's wiki page: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Trendall

Trendall's towngames:

I chose 2 games to analyze Trendall's town behavior, Newbie 1053(His best game in his opinion), and Newbie 2039, his most recent town game.
Newbie 1053(Town win)
Notes: 16 posts out of 209 total posts, survived for town win.
Newbie 2039(Scum win)
Notes: 56 out of 619 total posts, was eliminated D2.

General behavior: Newbie 1053 was 9 years ago, so the most up to date information is in Newbie 2039.
Asks questions from others, has good points and contributes, does perspective reading.

Tone: Has a light tone and makes witty comments in Day 1, tone starts becoming serious once he gets attacked by others.

Frequency: In Newbie 2039, his frequency was all over the place. He would make a couple of posts on one day, then posts wouldn't come from him for 2 days. His posting frequency jumped when he was attacked, because he defended himself hard.

Trendall's scumgames:

Trendall only has 1 scum game, which is Newbie 1897.

Newbie 1897(Scum loss)
Mafia PT
Notes: 46 posts out of 691 total posts, replaced out D1.

General behavior: Starts with witty comments to lighten up the mood, doesn't actively contribute, ends up replacing out D1 due to the pressure. Sets his eyes on attacking his scumreads and tunnels into them.

Tone: Light, witty, gets serious when arguing against his scumreads.

Frequency: Moderately active.

Conclusion: Trendall isn't as easy to read with meta as clidd is. Overall, I think this is a towny Trendall for his start: he started serious right off the bat. Other than that, I can't really get much from Trendall. His contribution levels haven't arisen as very high, and other than that, there are no real obvious pointers that separate town Trendall and scum Trendall. I'm going to keep an eye on Trendall, I can still see him and clidd doing scum theater this early in the game.