revO emaG - TENET

[Deacon Blues]

I think LLD, peta, FB, you guys are town. I'll trust FB on sinkhole being town. Superbowl is > rand town.

I'm insulted.

[Deacon Blues]

I'm insulted.

ngl your avatar is so nondescript it is hard to read your posts

it sounds silly but it is a non-negligible factor

Now you've gone and insulted the bourbon and blues. :/

This was our first avatar. would it suffice for now?

[Deacon Blues]

pretty sure peta wants to stay here, though. :/

Why are you so set on only wine council being sent over? We can help out too ya know

I want to send people my townreads in the other thread want sent. Their preferences are annie or peta. peta doesn't particularly want to go and annie does.

a large component of my playstyle is consensus building. the turnstile mechanism in particular needs cooperation between the threads imo. so I'm working that.

[Deacon Blues]

superbowl,

I've tried reaching out to you a few times, but there's been no give or take in our relative positions so far.

I'd be willing to turnstile firebringer if there was a consensus for having him in the other thread.

There's not.

So let me try to explain the algorithm I'm trying to solve.

This is a 26 player game, not 13.

The optimal candidate(s) will be someone(s) who wants to go, who a majority in this thread wants to go, and who a majority in the other thread wants to have.

Right now, the missing piece of this cooperative puzzle is the majority in this thread. We're not coalescing at all, much less in a way that solves the algorithm.

How would you solve it?

[Deacon Blues]

T-1!

[Deacon Blues]

FFERYBORK WAKE THE FUCK UP

I just got back from the dentist. catching up now.

~ street

[Deacon Blues]

I’m ambivalent towards Spiffeh being sent, but I guess I really don’t care all that much, I’m more just going over the possibilities.

UNVOTE: T - Annie

thank you!

[Deacon Blues]

superbowl,

I've tried reaching out to you a few times, but there's been no give or take in our relative positions so far.

I'd be willing to turnstile firebringer if there was a consensus for having him in the other thread.

There's not.

So let me try to explain the algorithm I'm trying to solve.

This is a 26 player game, not 13.

The optimal candidate(s) will be someone(s) who wants to go, who a majority in this thread wants to go,

and who a majority in the other thread wants to have.

Right now, the missing piece of this cooperative puzzle is the majority in this thread. We're not coalescing at all, much less in a way that solves the algorithm.

How would you solve it?

I think I have been pretty willing to change/compromise. You said annie, I said no annie, how about me. Not sure why I'm a bad option, but you don't like that, so I brought up firebringer. Firebringer seems to be a very popular option, and if not I'm universally townread am I not? Annie is not universally townread tho.

because you're not on the other thread's welcome list. and neither is firebringer.

it's moot, now.

I think we have more agreeance on who we're not townreading at least.

[Deacon Blues]

FFERYBORK WAKE THE FUCK UP

I just got back from the dentist. catching up now.

~ street

as of about 1.5 hours ago, bork liked FL's first few posts. not sure when we'll sync.

My hackles are on autopilot and I hope to keep them that way.

was there something in particular I was supposed to be panicking about?

(teeth are annoyed atm and I'm feeling cranky)

[Deacon Blues]

FFERYBORK WAKE THE FUCK UP

I just got back from the dentist. catching up now.

~ street

as of about 1.5 hours ago, bork liked FL's first few posts. not sure when we'll sync.

My hackles are on autopilot and I hope to keep them that way.

was there something in particular I was supposed to be panicking about?

(teeth are annoyed atm and I'm feeling cranky)

Am I going insane or did Noraa back off her scumread once I agreed with Nacho I could see her-town here.

It feels like a cohort fight re: noraa reads right now :~(

where are the lines drawn?

she's completely ignored me since I (un)voted her earlier. We're not townreading her, though reading all the emo when I finally got up today did pull at my cold, cold heart a little. I'm willing to give her a calendar day to decompress and then see what she puts down in the way of stances at that point.

[Deacon Blues]

only have a brief moment right this second but i am warming up to the idea of sending skitter

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Again, 4-5 people sheeping someone's hairbrained scheme is not town consensus

I've lost the plot. what is this about?

[Deacon Blues]

FFERYBORK WAKE THE FUCK UP

I just got back from the dentist. catching up now.

~ street

as of about 1.5 hours ago, bork liked FL's first few posts. not sure when we'll sync.

My hackles are on autopilot and I hope to keep them that way.

was there something in particular I was supposed to be panicking about?

(teeth are annoyed atm and I'm feeling cranky)

Am I going insane or did Noraa back off her scumread once I agreed with Nacho I could see her-town here.

It feels like a cohort fight re: noraa reads right now :~(

where are the lines drawn?

she's completely ignored me since I (un)voted her earlier. We're not townreading her, though reading all the emo when I finally got up today did pull at my cold, cold heart a little. I'm willing to give her a calendar day to decompress and then see what she puts down in the way of stances at that point.

From memory...

Against Heavily:
Nachotammy

Against Lightly:
Cabdceph

For lightly:
Flavor
Fferybork

For Heavily:
Bell
Peta

Are you thinking the differences of opinion are alignment driven?

[Deacon Blues]

Are you thinking the differences of opinion are alignment driven?

The only person I wouldn't take to a masonry right now is flavor (peta right on cusp), but even he's feeling pretty town on entry...

Do you know what this perspective slip thing is about?

[Deacon Blues]

One thing that strikes me as legitimate about skitter is the extreme sensitivity to who goes over combined with the unwillingness to elaborate

That just doesn't seem to me like something relevant to a scum ability about unless there's some kind of partner interaction inside (skitter, annie, firebringer, superbowl)

i don't want to talk about the mechanics of what that might be, just note that it pings town to me

-b

[Deacon Blues]

That just doesn't seem to me like something relevant to a scum ability about unless there's some kind of partner interaction inside (skitter, annie, firebringer, superbowl)

Technically u should probably be including noraa

were you considering turnstiling noraa? i wasn't thinking you were and that's why she's not on that list

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Skitter is normally high town read and does townie things as scum.

yeah; all good players do, but that's a burden of proficiency argument that I don't want to go down. There's always a seam

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i'm probably gonna take time off from the caring about the other thread tonight depending on who is around; i think so far the breadth first approach is just leaving me turned around

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Remember how I was to Morph in Ilicit substances?

annoying? i mean what you were was extremely inconsistent and conspiracy theorist and it was obviously driving ffery up the wall and I was pretty well able to hide in it at the time

I'm liking your entrance here overall but I'm not sure the point you're trying to make

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Skitter is normally high town read and does townie things as scum.

yeah; all good players do, but that's a burden of proficiency argument that I don't want to go down. There's always a seam

-b

Remember how I was to Morph in Ilicit substances?

Which is why I don't consider ours to be a playstyle clash.

making a note that the E-2 votes on gamma were firebringer, annie, deacon, sb9, and skitter

We should bring this wagon back

E-2 is just about perfect. No lolhammers while the forward timeline gets their shit together and sends us their poor.

[Deacon Blues]

Yeah, you hid in it well, but you lost scum Day 2 and Day 3 because of it, then brought me to lylo with you.

[Deacon Blues]

VOTE: GFITAC

[Deacon Blues]

E-2 is just about perfect. No lolhammers while the forward timeline gets their shit together and sends us their poor.

FFS FL

[Deacon Blues]

none of this is helpful

-b

[Deacon Blues]

E-2 is just about perfect. No lolhammers while the forward timeline gets their shit together and sends us their poor.

FFS FL

You voted, which didn’t save them.

You needed to unvote. We good.

reverse timeline bud.

[Deacon Blues]

Yeah you put him at E-1 with your unvote.

Please familiarize yourself with how the damn votes work here on the dark side.

[Deacon Blues]

can we talk about imperium then because they're the leading purple room candidate on that side and I have a feeling that town is going to get rewarded for sending 2 town there and bad things will happen if they don't

-b

[Deacon Blues]

a la master election in FGO

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Yeah you put him at E-1 with your unvote.

Please familiarize yourself with how the damn votes work here on the dark side.

Oh, yeah, that’s what I meant to do.

I do know the votes, you posted and made me second guess.

UNVOTE: GFITC

I specifically stated the real reason to you, that’s somewhat a weak response by you then.

LET THE OTHER THREAD FINISH THEIR TURNSTILE SHIT BEFORE WE ELIM.

Once we elim their clock goes to 48 hours.

[Deacon Blues]

I'll have your guts for garters if you push us against a 48 hour wall.

[Deacon Blues]

The post they made @ me was kinda really weak, and past the time considering i flipped on both of those, but I can see them making it as town regardless.

If it was scum, it was a safe scum post to make.

this isn't a reason for imperium scum

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I specifically made comments for a town possibility and a scum possibility.

This is strike 2 for you on poor callouts.

no fucking shit, it's not a reason for them being scum though

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Never said it was.

Specifically said if.

Ok fucking great

I want to talk about actual reasons and that isn't one. What are they?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Like I don't know how you got to "this isn't a reason for calling someone scum" (which you're acknowledging - we're both on the same page here, yeah) to "bad callout"

I want to know why you think imperium is scum.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

For what? Imperium scum? Why would there be any actual reasons for them to be scum right now if they're scum?

ok so you're unable to be communicated with

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i'm already more annoyed with you than i ever possibly could have been in illicit

think about why that might be

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Annie you're scaring me.

It's so cold in here.

~ street

[Deacon Blues]

You look like you're just saying stuff to say stuff because you know I don't have a full read on Imperium. I've barely read any of their posts

I WANT TO SEND TOWN TO THE PURPLE ROOM

YOU SAID YOU HAD A SCUM LEAN ON IMPERIUM

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU SEE

I AM NOT PUSHING YOU

HOLY FUCK

-BEE

[Deacon Blues]

Ffery why am I scaring you.

So much paranoia. I don't even want to put it into words for fear I could speak it into being.

Just be a beacon of town and I'll see it and I'll stop freaking out.

~ street

[Deacon Blues]

I don't town read Imperium, you're acting like I have to see things in black and white

Ok moving on; you're clearly uninterested in answering what I asked and I'm fucking bewildered at the behavior

-b

[Deacon Blues]

well who would you want to get rid of after sending pooky and pisskop to the savages? still shellyc?

Don't shit on us twice in one game day you colonizer.

~ street

somebody send it. I don't think zmuffin reads this thread.

fuck

[Deacon Blues]

what about the gamma claim post necessitates town

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I've stated my read, and my exact thoughts on Imperium, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not there.

you continue to somehow miscontrue the point of my asking you and my suspension of disbelief only goes so far

-b

[Deacon Blues]

but you're just either blindly attacking

i'm...not...atta

whatever

[Deacon Blues]

To anyone who is not a complete space cadet: I have at least some sort of paranoia about Imperium and would like to engage on it because of said purple room speculation. I thought Tammy looked pretty town early and would like to see what other people think esp in non-bonkers timeline because that's a read that's going to likely be force multiplied by the mechanic if they get sent

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I don't town read Imperium. I'm likely to investigate the slot if I were a PR, especially if they go to purple room

i know man; i got that in one, just wanted to talk about why and well now we're here

-b

[Deacon Blues]

AGREE AGREE AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
LOCKTOWN PETA.

this is the lowest bar to get townread for i think i've ever seen

-b

[Deacon Blues]

(It’s gonna be okay Bork <3)

I believe!!!!!!

I'm going to be leaning on you and my other townreads over there HARD while this thread is crazytown.

Please work it out with Annie re your Noraa reads.

~ sangres street

[Deacon Blues]

I want everyone to know

I am very very sad that it seems nobody wants to actually read walls, it made me regress into this

I want a wall or two. Need to tilt this game a little bit toward analysis and a little away from just reaction baiting and gut shots because i'm getting turned around

-b

[Deacon Blues]

hey random thought: what if instead of zMuffinMan it was leMuffinMan and he spoke like a redditor haha

M'Pristine Voting Record

[Deacon Blues]

I'm honestly not even gonna be surprised if he doesn't post again.

mood

[Deacon Blues]

i'm a little worried about Flavor in that he seems ardently determined to miss the point of my conversation with him earlier; on the other hand 2324 maybe contained a passive final admission that he didn't know what i was trying to get at w/ the imperium talk.

i don't fucking know

-b

[Deacon Blues]

im not and Tammy and nacho are absolute gods so you should listen to them regardless of what ur shoulder devil whispers into your ear.

Last time I threw some slippers at him so we aren't that chill.

they are calling annie town

-b

[Deacon Blues]

@bork I don’t think scum flavor decides to call me scum then work his way into a sync with me.

error bars are wide as fuck here right now, just looking for some ports in the storm and not finding much

-b

[Deacon Blues]

AGREE AGREE AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
LOCKTOWN PETA.

this is the lowest bar to get townread for i think i've ever seen

-b

Y'all decided to paraphrase the same thing and say it 3 times -______-
its not really based on one thing. Its more a build up.

I start seeing some posts and I'm like *nod* yes yes good
that's the first stage
then it goes to
*nod* towny yes TL yeah
then at one point it hits a peak and some post is the last bit of towniness needed to win me over and the final stage is
LOCKTOWN LOCKLOCKLOCKLOCKTOWWWWWWWWWWWN!

link/quote the posts that caused you to reach these stages?

[Deacon Blues]

they are calling annie town

not that part. don't listen to that.

I knew this was coming and you're just making the game worse w/ this in that you obviously don't really care about what Imperium has to say unless it's reinforcing your own points

Not saying you're necessarily scum for that (in fact it might point to the opposite depending on your playstyle) but it's just swill

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I like where Titus' head is, in the sense of she seems to be legitimately analyzing to me, even if I don't think LLD would be the coaching type.

'sink or swim motherfuckers i'll win this game w/ or w/o you' is how i see LLD in my mind's eye

-b

[Deacon Blues]

@bork- let’s see where nacho and I get. I truly think he’s blocking another Cakez d1. You’ve got this.

i don't fucking have shit dude

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I'm trying to latch onto Tammy for dear life on Imperium tho because she's giving me the happies in a way I think is harder for Nacho to get to me with

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i had a heavy suspicion you would react obstinately

-b

[Deacon Blues]

LLD can appear emotionally town as scum, in fact it's one of her selling points. I'm looking at her fight with superbowl acting as if he's newb scum coached actually playing his first game. I don't believe LLD could actually believe that because a) she doesn't miss details when engaged. Superbowl is obviously not new a1) the setup advertises complex mechanics and b) his join date. LLD is also pushing semantics and threatening a tunnel. LLD is much more emotionally manipulative than that when legitimately pushing. She doesn't go straight from 0-100. She applies the screws gradually and harder until you crack.

Then there's skitter. I have an independent scumread on her. She comes in and says she townreads them both and that they could never be S V S. That seems like such an LLD thing to coach.

this doesn't really match my recent experience playing with town-LLD. She came out of the gate with a scumread on me in the FGO game, pushed it a little, was absent the thread mostly for a few days, came back and pushed me again a couple times, noticed we had almost exactly the same reads (except Our Lord And Savior Assassin), and backed off.

Maybe this is what it feels like when you're scum against LLD? (I wouldn't know...the two times I was scum against her in the before-times, she kinda ignored one hydra and scrutinized the hell out of the other hydra and decided we were town).

But that's NOT how her trajectory on Noraa in Death Curse worked.

Titus was scum in Death Curse, though a replace-in. Anyway, not sure whether to call this intentional mischaracterization or not.

bourbon likes Titus fwiw.

~ street

[Deacon Blues]

If you're town I guess I just want 2386 you to listen to 2376 you

[Deacon Blues]

I knew this was coming

Are you telling me you asked specifically bc u knew I would react really scummily?

Different head asked. Me.

I asked because I wanted to give you the opportunity to show your thought process, since what you described was a trajectory.

I'm a little disappointed in what you gave back, in terms of it helping me read you better if I'm wrong about you.

~ street

[Deacon Blues]

hmm gamma's prob town which means i'm wrong on someone. probably not gonna think about it tonight

Gamma's reaction to coming back to being run up gives me those feels. though I feel like town-him would be a little bit more cautions about Noraa given the zeno game. I told bork he reminds me of the Island of Misfit Toys cameraderie.

bork doesn't have a confident handle on those interactions, though.

Anyway. Alter Ego is feeling a bit puppyish atm.

~ street

[Deacon Blues]

I wonder why scumreads would get stated more on potential people wanting to be sent to this side, this side were evicting scum from.

Hmmmm.

I know, that's my point

Who do you feel is tactically scumreading you?

[Deacon Blues]

there's paranoia in there, i'm not gonna lie; i keep getting the engagement of cobra kai but the analysis seems yet a step away. I don't know if that's just cause he's latched so hard onto noraa or something more sinsister

I'm in an extremely unconfident state in general atm where early reads in either direction are starting to require more burden of proof on my own part and just haven't gotten there yet

-b

re: @skitter

[Deacon Blues]

Dont know who it is, i can just tell it's happening.
Hp and unwnd stuck out in particular. I'm not saying they're scum for it, but making a note, the progressions dont feel natural and the timing is off but make a lot of sense if they're suddenly aware that i'm gonna be over there at some point most likely

Aside do u 2 still townread annie edison

extreme flashes of paranoia aside, I do. bork's less paranoid than I am but also less trusting in general.

Like I said, I'm leaning hard on my townreads in the other thread and I'd really like to see them work some shit out.

[Deacon Blues]

bork's...also less trusting in general.

we can just call this "not as good at reading people"

-b

[Deacon Blues]

for the right reasons

dare i ask what those are this game

-b

[Deacon Blues]

mine and notty's reads are pretty well in sync across both threads

I want to engage your head a little in particular - you were pretty deep and introspective in IS and you had probably a better angle on bork!scum than post people. Couple strong reads?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Idk what to do with noraa's post

same =/

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I don't like that this is the one post SS feels inclined to make in the past X pages

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Its to a point where I can't find the motivation to stay alive in any game on site and I just wanna self hammer the moment the opportunity comes and immediately scum claim and vote myself regardless of my actual alignment.

I am straight up willing to just give you a 100% free pass for D1 at this point if we can just move on from your victim centric view

-b

[Deacon Blues]

- consistent softing since like my third post, which i'm unlikely to have planned nearly that far in advance or as in depth as scum. Especially my reaction to the not-second turnstyle vote (which you picked up on )
- i really never purposefully let the annie edison's wagon deflate by unvoting there, that was ridiculously ---scum for scum!me. This is the sort of thing that i get annoyed that people dont recognize as being unlikely to come from scun!me, cuz i basically never unvote as scum there

Unless i'm forgetting something i'm probably otherwise largely within my scumrange

friendship ended with 'unsatisfied with early game push'

now 'cautious optimism' is my new best friend

-b

[Deacon Blues]

most obvious town person gets the innocent child role lol. Classic

mood

[Deacon Blues]

friendship ended with 'unsatisfied with early game push'

now 'cautious optimism' is my new best friend

Sorry i'm not sure what you're trying to say

i liked your post

-b

[Deacon Blues]

See Bork I told you it’d be okay

i needed a port in the storm and you did not disappoint

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Thanks, Nacho <3

[Deacon Blues]

I would say pooky is +town

i just see fluff =/

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Leave me the fuck alone.

I dropped my read and am no longer talking about you stop fucking potshotting me I already feel shitty enough.

the other thread no longer exists.
you're here with the civilized folk now.

sad.

but true.

but sad.

</3

Fixed BBcode fail - Cakez

[Deacon Blues]

sigh

[Deacon Blues]

why doesn't bell want to play this game. ffery and I might be in flux on this one

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i'm not a meta player, but:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... lect[]=355

is why I'm not really into that take

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Bell Noraa is town

which head was this

-b

[Deacon Blues]

ok i'm officially a little weirded out that noddy went from 100-0 on noraa on Nachotammy's sayso

-b

[Deacon Blues]

ok i'm officially a little weirded out that noddy went from 100-0 on noraa on Nachotammy's sayso

@tammycho please I want this seen

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i disagree. there was a big as wall from us + there was the noraa post directed @ notsci where she had some pretty visceral misery with a good chunk of the blame directed at notsci. i think whiplash is natural in a situation like that.

i'm not entirely convinced and am just going to up scrutiny here, but appreciate the take

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i disagree. there was a big as wall from us + there was the noraa post directed @ notsci where she had some pretty visceral misery with a good chunk of the blame directed at notsci. i think whiplash is natural in a situation like that.

i'm not entirely convinced and am just going to up scrutiny here, but appreciate the take

-b

ffery does not endorse this take fwiw, but i'm filing away

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Flavor - do you not realize that deacon was asking you questions about what you thought you saw in us to doubt we were town because he was paranoid of us and was trying to see if you noticed something because he was trying to make sense of his paranoia on us.

wasn't even really paranoia; just wanted someone with a dissenting opinion on your slot to talk about your slot due to my perceived penalty of getting the Purple Room vote wrong, but yeah

-b

[Deacon Blues]

UNVOTE: something_smart

something clicked

i probably endorse this atm; SS's pop ins generally have been showing up to comment on something uncontroversial, or objectively false to correct them

-b

[Deacon Blues]

lld do you have an opinion on https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12426712

I ask because I skimmed death curse and I feel like this has at least a little parallel to the situation in that game in that I saw a lot of early ATE reaction to pressure from her and want to know if you think it feels the same or different or don't want to make that call

I personally want to give noraa a d1 pass here just to see if she becomes easier to read later

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i don't think that's AI of SS, and usually ScumthingSmart pings me hard, not town reading by anymeans, but I typically don't like voting SS this early in a game, if only because if we get to like Day 3 together, we're likely going to become lock town to each other.

I was legit scared of something smart at times on D1 in illicit and I thought he was effectively picking at everything that was even slightly inconsistent or suspciously not-scumhunty of me in that game

I don't feel like he's doing that to people here

-b

[Deacon Blues]

yes, i said it long ago that i thought brian skies was going with popular opinions of thread. I think quite a few people said they agree with what brian has said but i think he is mostly just mimicing other people pretty well or syncing well enough to know what to say that he thinks others will agree with.

I'm sympathetic to this take; I'm definitely not going to bank the Brian townread I had early in the game because it was based on a faulty assumption I had that I don't want to explain; it's worth noting that he's done ~things~ as well and I'm just wondering what potential scum motivations for those things are

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Hypothetically, you'd be coming from a town perspective here, right? Because I don't remember SS being a big part of that Day 1 either, except the early game.

he definitely faded into the background a bit EOD; the point being that i think even low content he had a pretty high signal/noise ratio

-b

[Deacon Blues]

What do LLD and SS have to do with each other here?

Nothing I was asking about noraa

-b

[Deacon Blues]

For the record bork, I think using one-game meta from a much different game where you were scum and I died N1 is tenuous at best

i don't disagree; just trying to show where my head is at when i hear "low content from SS is NAI" from others because I explicitly did not think that in that game

-b

p-edit: slow your roll dude. listen to others who actually know how to read me (which it seems you're doing, at least)

[Deacon Blues]

my big issue with that guess is i don't ever see a team with nora/deacon ever choosing them to be the 2 side of a 4/2. those are players who are going to want a support system in place. those 2 would not be a pair confident they can carry a thread for a few days and avoid ICing half the town

this post pings me in a way i find hard to explain

like the guess doesn't change much if it's just 3-3 and there's one extra name but you're taking issue with the ratios specifically and not the names.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I think this is a weird comment

you're needling me about being scum constantly, and you're reading me for a thing I've tried to explain, NachoTammy has told you you're wrong about, and you just don't seem to be listening to anyone about and that's frustrating for me.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

like all i've tried to do is tell you you're wrong about something and it's turned into something i feel i cannot communicate with you about and i don't like it.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Making this waaaay bigger than it needs to be.

I get that you're not pushing me today and that's not my point here and I'm not trying to be combative and you are clearly not prepared to listen to anything I have to say.

people react to shit differently. just think about that, ok? otherwise i can consider this conversation unproductive and drop it.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

By what metric are you saying I'm low-content?

up until 1490 or so I didn't feel like you really engaged with any analysis on slots (there is a little bit looking back, w/ skitter in particular); there are some interactions on slots and some analysis of mechanics, and some reads later on but I am finding it hard to figure out how you got to where you are; what reads you ultimately ended up on at this point in the game for me isn't my primary concern in figuring out if you're scum or not.

and you're right, i don't know what I'd have thought of you in illicit as town, but i first reaction here was that you were a little effete opening up the game.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

also too tired to directly quibble with reads if that's what you were wanting to see

yes it's valid to speculate.
it would not have just been my first instinct to say "my biggest issue with X, Y team in thread is that there's no potential Z to back them up"
and instead i'm saying "that's a pretty decent and I am mostly aligned but those two players probably have another buddy here"

If I disagreed with the names I'd probably have just said "I don't think at least one of X, Y" is scum

-b

[Deacon Blues]

If you want to talk about any reads you disagree with, I'm definitely willing.

cool. i need to bed but i'd like to do this later.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Negative Covid test result. Thank Arceus. Gonna go cry of stress relief for a while.

Please don't vote to purple room me. TIA

You may have to caucus yet.

my big issue with that guess is i don't ever see a team with nora/deacon ever choosing them to be the 2 side of a 4/2. those are players who are going to want a support system in place. those 2 would not be a pair confident they can carry a thread for a few days and avoid ICing half the town

What's your read of us?

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FL you posted something last night about not interacting with me because we clashed so hard in Illicit.

I don't think you have a choice in that matter unless you want to just talk about us in the 3rd person, because right now bork is pretty done with you.

We had you leaning town on the basis of your entrance posts. Bork is feeling like your interaction with him when he was trying to figure what was bugging you about Imperium, and your characterization of his side of of the convo is straight-up disingenuous. I don't go that far. I think you build narratives and then force-fit players' posts into them (that's what you did with Morph posts -- mostly mine -- in Illicit), and I don't think it's AI.

fwiw I developed some respect for your town game in Xeno. Giving you any headspace in that game came about initially due to Cabd's read of you. I'd like to find a happy medium this game, where it's my read, and not so much outsourced.

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skitter, I'm somewhat surprised by your read of us, given we've butted heads for a big chunk of this game regarding Annie and to a lesser extent Noraa. Why are you townreading us?

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LLD: 2400. Also I have a story to tell you about my reaction to you in FGO, if you're interested. I learned something about myself in that game.

~ street

[Deacon Blues]

I don't like that argument much, peta. distribution spec and readslists don't have to sync. being synced would feel kinda forced.

[Deacon Blues]

I don't like that argument much, peta. distribution spec and readslists don't have to sync. being synced would feel kinda forced.

this was primarily a me-sentiment that ffery is conveying; my initial processing of peta's post was it being more about the number of reads not matching what flavor had posted as his scumreads, but i see it's actually more about skitter/noraa(/now us i guess?) reads not jibing with the "noisemakers" being town which I can see the reasoning behind

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Give it to deacon and ffery will die and fuck up out of stage freight when paced in a cage with confirmed town tammycho.

xenologue called. something something dead neigbhorhood something. my spine grafts haven't been rejected. yet.

[Deacon Blues]

Noraa,

I'm townreading the hell out of cabd.

I scare myself sometimes because I'm working off highly educated guesses as to what his post-hiatus scum game will look like. We've been scum together (mostly as a hydra) in a bunch of games (the majority of my scum games), but it's been a few years. I still feel that I'm currently the leading expert on MS at reading him.

I'm also townreading ceph (which doesn't happen that often on day 1)

town-ceph is a cranky and sarcastic. town-ceph with a gun or gun-equivalent (hello Caster) is cranky, sarcastic, and above all <redacted>. I'd use other words (currently filed under "need-to-know" so don't bother asking) to describe his scum game.

this read is subject to being eaten away over time by the strong acid that is my paranoia, but I don't think that's going to happen. One of us will be dead within a couple days, and I'll probably be able to white-knuckle it for that long.

re cabd's energy level here ("lack of solving"), there are rl reasons for that and he's shared them in this thread from the very start of this game day. re too much shade? there is no such thing in cabd world. he even shades his townreads. see his totally warranted insult to my scum game in his caucusing post.

[Deacon Blues]

Im good with that.
UNVOTE: Purple room - deacon blues

They've mentioned you a lot, but you are not their sole focus. by a long shot.

You're never going to convince me they're scum on the basis of your case.

I'm never going to convince you they're town because if you're town (which I kinda accept now thanks to Nacho -- he's more than convinced me that he's not Xeno-nacho this game) then your read of me negates any experience or gravitas I'd otherwise have.

Fortunately, you're one voice and one vote (well...3 unvotes).

[Deacon Blues]

shit am i still being cranky and sarcastic i was trying so hard not to be
-ceph

It's pretty subdued! however, the adjectives I'd use to differentiate scum-you aren't relevant in this game so far.

Also, you're getting my Cabd-read pass, which is a stronger consideration than my not exactly strong confidence in reading scum-you correctly.

[Deacon Blues]

Noraa why are you purple-rooming us?

[Deacon Blues]

I would like to hear this, yes please.

prior to our FGO game, I've always been scum and you've always been town. except for one game we played together as town where I was in a hidden alt. and your play absolutely terrified me. I was extremely fortunate not to come directly under your deathtunnel in the scum games. I did come to your notice in the alt game. And you tunneled me for a while there, though IIRC you eventually replaced out.

At least half of my terror was based on knowing it was you who I was up against (as either alignment, I felt extremely vulnerable to getting elimed if you were pushing me).

In FGO, I did NOT realize who Berserker was. Facing your scrutiny when I didn't know it was you wasn't terrifying. You eventually found me as town, or at least never enough of a priority to keep pushing me. And, I respected your stances (you earned that) and kept asking for updates on your stances in that game.

Here, I'm not terrified because in FGO I faced your scumread, shrugged it off, and didn't let it mess with my head. I am confident I can do that in games where I know it's you going forward. And in any games where I'm being hard-tunneled by someone I respect as a player.

You'll find town-me eventually if you're town. I still think you're town.

[Deacon Blues]

okay making you locktown

you're dreadfully slow getting here.

[Deacon Blues]

Yeah. dunno if bork will feel similarly, but I'm officially concerned with HP's play.

[Deacon Blues]

LLD can appear emotionally town as scum, in fact it's one of her selling points. I'm looking at her fight with superbowl acting as if he's newb scum coached actually playing his first game. I don't believe LLD could actually believe that because a) she doesn't miss details when engaged. Superbowl is obviously not new a1) the setup advertises complex mechanics and b) his join date. LLD is also pushing semantics and threatening a tunnel. LLD is much more emotionally manipulative than that when legitimately pushing. She doesn't go straight from 0-100. She applies the screws gradually and harder until you crack.

Then there's skitter. I have an independent scumread on her. She comes in and says she townreads them both and that they could never be S V S. That seems like such an LLD thing to coach.

this doesn't really match my recent experience playing with town-LLD. She came out of the gate with a scumread on me in the FGO game, pushed it a little, was absent the thread mostly for a few days, came back and pushed me again a couple times, noticed we had almost exactly the same reads (except Our Lord And Savior Assassin), and backed off.

Maybe this is what it feels like when you're scum against LLD? (I wouldn't know...the two times I was scum against her in the before-times, she kinda ignored one hydra and scrutinized the hell out of the other hydra and decided we were town).

But that's NOT how her trajectory on Noraa in Death Curse worked.

Titus was scum in Death Curse, though a replace-in. Anyway, not sure whether to call this intentional mischaracterization or not.

bourbon likes Titus fwiw.

~ street

FOR BRIAN!

[Deacon Blues]

I like Titus. I also liked her predecessor.

I liked Titus's predecessor, too. Like I said, I dunno if this is an intentional mischaracterization or not, but I definitely disagree with her characterization of LLD's town game, particularly since I've come back from hiatus. I have 5 completed games since August and LLD-town was in 2 of them. I also watched decent amounts of the Death Curse game in real time.

If you're basing a big chunk of your LLD scumread on Titus's thoughts about LLD-town, I hope you'll give this some thought.

- street

[Deacon Blues]

Deacon feels like they're hatcheting me so hard, I'm actively not trying to engage the slot because I don't want to fight with ffery.

This post (and a couple that followed) are what I'm responding to.

bork wasn't hatcheting you. He was looking for data that could push against our nachotammy townread as a sort of brake (if the data made sense to him/us) or a validation (if the data didn't resonate).

[Deacon Blues]

I am slammed, lady ffery, with IRL shit but like.... reads date?

Just slow and drawn out?

Maybe Ceph and I will actually bother talking about our reads instead of essentially playing like two separate players due to COVID scares and rampant insomnia?

Find out on the next episode of Dragon ball Z.

Within my own limitations, yeah. Yours are a bigger deal than mine. I just have to be reasonably functional at roughly the same time. Are you thinking tonight? tomorrow?

I feel like I'm more in the vein of pushing against scumreads I think are bad so far this game. :/

[Deacon Blues]

Deacon feels like they're hatcheting me so hard, I'm actively not trying to engage the slot because I don't want to fight with ffery.

This post (and a couple that followed) are what I'm responding to.

bork wasn't hatcheting you. He was looking for data that could push against our nachotammy townread as a sort of brake (if the data made sense to him/us) or a validation (if the data didn't resonate).

That’s what Imperium said too.

I gave everything. He assumed I had more.

Everyone’s acting like I was the wrong one in that scenario.

I assure you, I was not.

He wanted 5 cookies from me, I gave him 2.

All I had was 2 cookies, and I didn’t care for them in the first place, i just ended up with them, so i gave him the cookies, and he got stuck on telling me he needed 5 cookies. I didn’t have 5 cookies.

Good usage of discredit whoever is piling onto that Bork came off better nonsense.

That is factually untrue because if people feel that way, they are actively choosing to ignore.

I dunno. maybe if I'd been more on the ball last night I could have interceded some. In Illicit, town me was arguing with you/ignoring you and yelling in hydra chat about what a dunce you were being, and I figured out pretty quickly that a lot of what you posted (particularly about morph/alisae) wasn't just wrong because of our role pm. it was spun up out of mostly nothing objective. Bork wasn't seeing you from a town pov in that game. He was just enjoying the effect the distractions and kneecapping us had on the game, especially on day 1.

He thought you'd have way more than 2 cookies.

I haven't paid attention to people saying bork came off better. Who's done that?

[Deacon Blues]

Dandelion and I are at near-mason level cooperation here fwiw.

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midwaybear's activity level is troubling.

[Deacon Blues]

One more thing to consider about Gamma - say I'm wrong and gamma flips green - we lose basically nothing because Gamma has gone back to doing fuck all and we can feel better about FL. If I'm right about this, and we let Gamma stick around with FL, we are fucked

You don't attribute anything to his bg claim?

I feel like that's a claim that self-fulfills quickly, or gets elimed for not doing so.

[Deacon Blues]

Dandelion and I are at near-mason level cooperation here fwiw.

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midwaybear's activity level is troubling.

You need to post a new reads list with me at the top to help my ego. TIA.

and my highest priority in mafia life is helping your ego~

[Deacon Blues]

One more thing to consider about Gamma - say I'm wrong and gamma flips green - we lose basically nothing because Gamma has gone back to doing fuck all and we can feel better about FL. If I'm right about this, and we let Gamma stick around with FL, we are fucked

You don't attribute anything to his bg claim?

I feel like that's a claim that self-fulfills quickly, or gets elimed for not doing so.

No? We're not wasting a turnstyle on gamma so scum has no incentive to shoot if he's green

his claim is that he's a bg in this timestream iirc.

[Deacon Blues]

Ffery, it might be Darmok time about this, actually.

Temba, his arms wide.

[Deacon Blues]

Ffery, it might be Darmok time about this, actually.

Temba, his arms wide.

Freezer, his use in life squared.
Bell, his life alight.

ffery and nacho in the back seat
rails not derailed?

[Deacon Blues]

Ffery, it might be Darmok time about this, actually.

Temba, his arms wide.

Freezer, his use in life squared.
Bell, his life alight.

ffery and nacho in the back seat
rails not derailed?

One more thing to consider about Gamma - say I'm wrong and gamma flips green - we lose basically nothing because Gamma has gone back to doing fuck all and we can feel better about FL. If I'm right about this, and we let Gamma stick around with FL, we are fucked

You don't attribute anything to his bg claim?

I feel like that's a claim that self-fulfills quickly, or gets elimed for not doing so.

No? We're not wasting a turnstyle on gamma so scum has no incentive to shoot if he's green

his claim is that he's a bg in this timestream iirc.

Would definitely like this clarified.

alight night 2.

[Deacon Blues]

@fferybork are we still on for night 2?

tlaloc willing and the crick don't rise.

[Deacon Blues]

Apparently being added to your townblock has little to do with your readslists anyway, so~

@Darmok: Agamemnon to the corner pocket.

[Deacon Blues]

Apparently being added to your townblock has little to do with your readslists anyway, so~

@Darmok: Agamemnon to the corner pocket.

You have no idea how skin-crawly it is to see yet another cross-pollination of morphisms with that damn tilde showing up!

I do it for you because you're special

~

[Deacon Blues]

LLD, peta, FB, you guys are town

Continuation from last night:

I don't hard disagree w/ any of these (I have had a few moments of paranoia w/ peta but at least one was based off me misinterpreting a post)
I'm cautious on Firebringer I guess as I'm not super jazzed when someone comes into a game and goes "i'm a cop". Not saying that makes him scum, but it makes me wary and he's just never a particularly transparent player in the first place.

Do you have a legit bead on FL at this point? this is almost point for point how illicit played out so I'm not

that

worried, but I don't know his scum game and the one thing about just being in a constant state of..(i don't even know what I'd call it, but you get what I mean...) is that it gives no chance on picking out any legitimate trajectory at this point in time

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Dandelion and Annie.

?

[Deacon Blues]

Wellll if I'm allowed to be a bit negative--

I am very fucking sick of townblocks and I think the other thread is almost insufferable. I don't want to win the game exactly the same way we won Xeno. That's boring as shit, let people have the chance to go off

who are you telling off here?

townbloc-ing is part of my playstyle, but the barbarian gamestate hasn't been very conducive in terms of working productively with townreads. :/

[Deacon Blues]

who are you telling off here?

townbloc-ing is part of my playstyle, but the barbarian gamestate hasn't been very conducive in terms of working productively with townreads. :/

I think townblocking

later

is fine, and even having a townblock like,

In your head? It's just when the townblock becomes like a dictatorship and you have to follow the townblock otherwise you're scum

I don't think that's happening here. Not for want of trying in some quarters. My earlier efforts at consensus building centered around Annie, and I'm really not sure how much impact I actually had.

[Deacon Blues]

who are you telling off here?

townbloc-ing is part of my playstyle, but the barbarian gamestate hasn't been very conducive in terms of working productively with townreads. :/

I think townblocking

later

is fine, and even having a townblock like,

In your head? It's just when the townblock becomes like a dictatorship and you have to follow the townblock otherwise you're scum

I don't think that's happening here. Not for want of trying in some quarters. My earlier efforts at consensus building centered around Annie, and I'm really not sure how much impact I actually had.

What's your hypothetical townblock looking like right now? I worry for your threadstate as it's clear to me FL is town which is a scary thing to deal with

For everyone, including town

This is an unsynced ffery list, but I don't think I'm far out of sync with bork right now.

Townreading Dandelion Wine and expect to be able to work together effectively in our in-thread masonry.

I'm townreading FL but it's under advisement and I don't expect or want to cooperate with a weathervane in a tornado. If we wind up on the same page on some reads, that's great, but I won't expect the syncs to last very long during this game day and probably the next. 3rd game day is also iffy but a little more likely. And, I'll probably be dead before it matters.

townreading noraa but I don't expect to her to cooperate even with her eventual townreads because having been wrong about her apparently means they're wrong about everything always. I hope she listens to your advice. It could change my thoughts about working her if she does.

Townreading superbowl9 but have tuned him out for now because he and FL have blown up the thread. I'll read that stuff at my leisure when people I want to work with aren't active.

Townleaning on petapan. this read has gone up and down. he's not into "townblocking" for the most part. "trust issues". If we're traveling in the same direction on players, I'll support him.

Townleaning LLD. I think working with her also involves fair winds coming from the same compass points.

other players may wind up in my townpile over the next 24 hours or so.

[Deacon Blues]

Lady Deacon I am currently driving to the data center but this is important so you get the voice to text typos. I see a significant problem with the claim on the table do you see it as well?

Please use trek talk if you do see it I don't want to give it away

I see a problem with the mindset but not with the claim itself. universal translator is online.

[Deacon Blues]

So unvote them

Not while the other thread has unfinished business.

[Deacon Blues]

Cabd I saw your stuff and I’m really confused how it’s all adding up.

it adds up. trust me. trust cabd.

[Deacon Blues]

<3 Imperium

The best masonries are the ones we make for ourselves.

I should add that to my sig or wiki page or something.

[Deacon Blues]

I prefer the term "noble savages" thankyouverymuch

[Deacon Blues]

I prefer the term "noble savages" thankyouverymuch

A term I'd be glad to use if there was an ounce of nobility to be found in your people.

I confer it by my very presence.

[Deacon Blues]

Spoiler:

I think LLD is scum and I can't even reach the barbarians because they won't stop fighting. Skitter is in a dangerous position and I don't know where the bus starts and where town being right ends. In that sense, I haven't been able to track why Skitter is being voted. It just literally happened, like a murmur that turned into a bunch of loud voices convinced that Skitter was scum. The progression is concerning, and if there is a bus in play it is far more subtle and not even being tracked. The few who are town and voting Skitter are likely just sheeping someone they believe is town, but again I refer back to the whole contingency plan. There is none.

IWhy do you think LLD is scum?

[Deacon Blues]

Ugh

midway, there's a level of obtuseness that defies credulity.

You're pushing that line.

[Deacon Blues]

Aside, didnt annie go over because they wanted to purple room with deacon?

Why didnt they really pursue that on that side, again? (I mean pre-ic reveal, obvs)

It was always a N2 thing.

[Deacon Blues]

Stuck in a cage on my cell phone. Hate love my job sometimes. Unwnd- did I just cross-pollinate tammycho into your lexicon?

Has a good ring to it. Thoughts on Hench being frozen?

Brain no work gud. ELI5

is this cabd or ceph. if its ceph i challenge u to a childrens card game
if its cabd then i want ur lunch money

It's cabd.

Don't make him get out THE CHECKLIST

[Deacon Blues]

Spoiler:

I think LLD is scum and I can't even reach the barbarians because they won't stop fighting. Skitter is in a dangerous position and I don't know where the bus starts and where town being right ends. In that sense, I haven't been able to track why Skitter is being voted. It just literally happened, like a murmur that turned into a bunch of loud voices convinced that Skitter was scum. The progression is concerning, and if there is a bus in play it is far more subtle and not even being tracked. The few who are town and voting Skitter are likely just sheeping someone they believe is town, but again I refer back to the whole contingency plan. There is none.

IWhy do you think LLD is scum?

I'll try to illustrate this because a lot of your side doesn't like to read walls. Please tell me if this is confusing.

Progression for town players usually follows a recognizable pattern to me. I can usually understand why they went from Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (Reasoning of vote) ➜ Here (Applying pressure to individual) ➜ Vote. LLD so far does not follow this pattern.

Her thought process on Superbowl went like this:
Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE BEING COACHED I SEE THROUGH YOU YOU ARE SCUM UGHHHH PROCEED TO THROW FUCKING EVERYTHING AT SUPERBOWL PERFORMATIVE NONSENSE) ➜ Vote. She outright skipped a few steps and went from 0 to 100 on one person, and if her intent was to merely pressure Superbowl, then something must've come out of it right? Not really. LLD's one big moment was her fight with Superbowl and then the rest is just (performative nonsense). Look at her posts and tell me if you can gauge where her next thought has lead since that fight and if you can I'll take back everything I've said.

I started to respond to this but decided I need to stew. And talk to Imperium. And Dandelion. I think they both have a better handle on LLD as both alignments than I do.

[Deacon Blues]

Spoiler:

I think LLD is scum and I can't even reach the barbarians because they won't stop fighting. Skitter is in a dangerous position and I don't know where the bus starts and where town being right ends. In that sense, I haven't been able to track why Skitter is being voted. It just literally happened, like a murmur that turned into a bunch of loud voices convinced that Skitter was scum. The progression is concerning, and if there is a bus in play it is far more subtle and not even being tracked. The few who are town and voting Skitter are likely just sheeping someone they believe is town, but again I refer back to the whole contingency plan. There is none.

IWhy do you think LLD is scum?

I'll try to illustrate this because a lot of your side doesn't like to read walls. Please tell me if this is confusing.

Progression for town players usually follows a recognizable pattern to me. I can usually understand why they went from Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (Reasoning of vote) ➜ Here (Applying pressure to individual) ➜ Vote. LLD so far does not follow this pattern.

Her thought process on Superbowl went like this:
Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE BEING COACHED I SEE THROUGH YOU YOU ARE SCUM UGHHHH PROCEED TO THROW FUCKING EVERYTHING AT SUPERBOWL PERFORMATIVE NONSENSE) ➜ Vote. She outright skipped a few steps and went from 0 to 100 on one person, and if her intent was to merely pressure Superbowl, then something must've come out of it right? Not really. LLD's one big moment was her fight with Superbowl and then the rest is just (performative nonsense). Look at her posts and tell me if you can gauge where her next thought has lead since that fight and if you can I'll take back everything I've said.

I started to respond to this but decided I need to stew. And talk to Imperium. And Dandelion. I think they both have a better handle on LLD as both alignments than I do.

BRUH

READ MY FUCKING POST.

THIS IS A COMPLETE FABRICATION AND MISREPRESENTATION OF THE ACTUAL EVENTS OF THAT INTERACTION AND MY PLAY LEADING INTO IT.

you fucking people

That's one of the reasons why I want to stew on it. I don't have the brain cells to do much more than float right now. It's another day where I really REALLY should have crashed for a few hours during the day and didn't.

[Deacon Blues]

Sorry LLD they have wine to sip, it’s too complex for our feeble brains to analyze

Fuck off with that noise.

[Deacon Blues]

But ok lets rewind why are you scumreading me again?

You feel like you're trying to sway people over working with them. You have a couple of times where I feel like you're posting stuff that doesn't make sense (most notably the post about Gamma retracting that I called out). And when you pushed lilith in PYP I really felt a combination of confidence and fear that you would be ignored (while also trying to keep yourself from tunneling) and I really don't see any of that nuance in your reads here.

SS, Dandelion, Myself, Firebringer all see scumSkitter here. This is extremely strong and scum indicative of Skitter. The fact we all have different reasons for scum reading them.

Also, Gamma, Skitter claimed PR, and is pushing you, a role that could save her a night, and she's actively acting like she's useless over here based on PR's when she actively stated earlier she doesn't care about claims, crumbs, mechanics.

You left someone out.

[Deacon Blues]

Sorry LLD they have wine to sip, it’s too complex for our feeble brains to analyze

Fuck off with that noise.

What was that? I couldn’t hear you with the glass in your mouth

Pissing off someone who might otherwise be willing to work with you at least on some stances -- is definitely a winning town strat~

[Deacon Blues]

Sorry LLD they have wine to sip, it’s too complex for our feeble brains to analyze

Fuck off with that noise.

What was that? I couldn’t hear you with the glass in your mouth

Pissing off someone who might otherwise be willing to work with you at least on some stances -- is definitely a winning town strat~

Not like you’ve worked with me on one single thing thusfar... the only way you’ll respect me is if I call flips

Same, though. I reached out repeatedly and got zero cooperation. I'm at the point now where I'm close to just ignoring you. And maybe that's best. We can check back in on day 2, tlaloc willing, and see where we stand.

[Deacon Blues]

Sorry LLD they have wine to sip, it’s too complex for our feeble brains to analyze

Fuck off with that noise.

What was that? I couldn’t hear you with the glass in your mouth

Pissing off someone who might otherwise be willing to work with you at least on some stances -- is definitely a winning town strat~

Not like you’ve worked with me on one single thing thusfar... the only way you’ll respect me is if I call flips

Same, though. I reached out repeatedly and got zero cooperation. I'm at the point now where I'm close to just ignoring you. And maybe that's best. We can check back in on day 2, tlaloc willing, and see where we stand.

I literally voted you into purple room

If you don’t want to be called a wine snob don’t play like one...

That was not my ask though I appreciate it and it may benefit you as well.

I wanted your help saving Annie.

You're going to want to turnstile tomorrow unless you've changed your mind and would rather stay here and yell at FL. If you do, you'll need help. I'm inclined to help you if the crumpets thread will have you this time.

[Deacon Blues]

Wasn't not science literally at e minus 1 for a few minutes at the very least?

Yes. Skitter voted him, getting him off E-1

[Deacon Blues]

Wasn't not science literally at e minus 1 for a few minutes at the very least?

Yes. Skitter voted him, getting him off E-1

She literally did that knowing it was expected for her to do so.

I'm not saying otherwise.

[Deacon Blues]

3176 is a mwb-town post, though, i think.

Going to work out and get off for the night, final thought - if we actually elim skittle maybe that will be enough of a wakeup call to remove Flavor's cock from the mouths of the wine cave.

i mean, i'm the only one voting him. i think most people are scared to. he's charismatic that way. but at this point i don't scumread skitter and him strongly pushing for it looks lik obvious scum agenda. people just don't want to see it that way.

i might just abandon the possibility of reading up on this game tonight and wait to catch up in the morning when things aren't as active.

8/10

I don't think the crumbs in the ether that exist right now are compatible with the claim at all

Considered this me not directly but indirectly counterclaiming for a friend a good friend

The aforementioned crumbs hit the ether really, really early. They've been foundational to my approach to this entire game.

[Deacon Blues]

I'm not saying otherwise.

okay you added that extra info as though it was +town skitter equity or something

context.

Annie's at E-1 for a few minutes. How did that resolve to Annie not getting yeeted? it started with that unvote and then the wagon slowly collapsed. A whole lot more yelling and Annie eventually turnstiled.

What was your stance during all that? I don't remember offhand.

[Deacon Blues]

You asking me to step off the wagon was just another example of wine mentality

Welp. I'll drop wine mentality when dealing with you.

You're going to actually have to convince me that I should help you turnstile tomorrow.

Good luck.

[Deacon Blues]

This is an unsynced ffery list, but I don't think I'm far out of sync with bork right now.

Townreading Dandelion Wine and expect to be able to work together effectively in our in-thread masonry.

I'm townreading FL but it's under advisement and I don't expect or want to cooperate with a weathervane in a tornado. If we wind up on the same page on some reads, that's great, but I won't expect the syncs to last very long during this game day and probably the next. 3rd game day is also iffy but a little more likely. And, I'll probably be dead before it matters.

townreading noraa but I don't expect to her to cooperate even with her eventual townreads because having been wrong about her apparently means they're wrong about everything always. I hope she listens to your advice. It could change my thoughts about working her if she does.

Townreading superbowl9 but have tuned him out for now because he and FL have blown up the thread. I'll read that stuff at my leisure when people I want to work with aren't active.

Townleaning on petapan. this read has gone up and down. he's not into "townblocking" for the most part. "trust issues". If we're traveling in the same direction on players, I'll support him.

Townleaning LLD. I think working with her also involves fair winds coming from the same compass points.

other players may wind up in my townpile over the next 24 hours or so.

how do you feel about gamma and firebringer? i think since he got pushed into a corner gamma has been town and i think firebringer is unlikely to have opened with early claiming and wanting to be trunstiled as scum, plus i felt like him going after skitter felt like sincere belief rather than something he'd try to push as scum, knowing it was unlikely to succeed. i 'm in agreement on nora and sb9.

tbh i had thought skitter and sb9 were crumbing masons or some shit which was why i backed down. claim was a bit surprising in that sense. could just be a case of me being bad in a large game again.

10/10 - see you tomorrow.

Mixed feelings on Gamma. By his posting since being run up, I feel like he's town. Aspects of his claim I'll want to revisit. Cabd and I Darmoked about it a little. I feel like scum-Skitter may make the town-Gamma universe more likely.

I'm not a Firebringer expert. This is the 3rd game I've played with him as far as I can recall. The first was an anon game where he trolled his way to elim because of issues with another player he'd never have agreed to play with knowingly. The second was Xeno. He feels a lot more engaged and with it here and is doing more than defending players (who turned out to be scum) for inexplicable reasons. So...much more engaged here? Differences in play don't necessarily mean differences in alignment.

Your point about early claiming is a good one.

[Deacon Blues]

Oh deacon one other reason I liked the annie wagon: the reasoning against it is "pah! This wagon sucks because we know annie is town, we play with her far too much darling. Remove your silly votes at once and go to your room!" It felt good to stick it to the wine club and have them nervous for a bit.

I think I want the wine club (assuming that means cabd and co.) to tell me if this reminds them of anything. A certain pop star who doth protest too much about the old guard, methinks?

The nicknames we've picked up since coming back from hiatus are a trip.

It's a thought, but I think we can genuinely get on the nerves of folks who aren't used to players of our vintage and idiosyncrasies. The popstar you mention didn't really get insulting about the 2012 cohort until we decided day one was a good time to yeet a traitor. before that, the cohort comments weren't as edgy.

[Deacon Blues]

fferyhead has a roof leak crisis. probably won't post much until tonight.

~street

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Assassin is petapan. It's a reference to Fate grand order game with anonymous alts where Petapan played well.
Netflix and chill however, is uh. A goof! It's a hydra of Brian Skies and Notscience. Notscience is one part of the annie edison hydra and the other player in the netflix and chill was brian skies.

not a goof. goofing off.

was referring to brian and notsci both with one name. I almost referred to zmuffin as ZeL1nK2, but I figured that might be understood/remembered by only zmuffin and me which would take some of the fun out of it.

even more so since he's not reading this benighted thread.

send it please.

[Deacon Blues]

1. I retract what i said abt gamma, he's town
2. Fire is scum and i think he's slyly been trying to facilitate/encourage the shitty gamestate
3. Honestly i dont know about fl anymore, and cant read him at this time, he might be scum. Either way stop listening to him
4. Peta town, superbowl town, deacon town, and i'm very very confident on the former two
5. Lld is probably scum, she feels really fake
6. Other reads are as previously stated in my claiming post
7. Just send the obviously softing prs over, there's like several of them
8. A50 is in the other side's pool for bad reasons
9. Hp is still probably scum and i really, really dont appreciate that you made a conscious effort to fuck with me, whoever you are
10. Bell probably town, brian probably town, spifffeh probably town, unwnd is town, titus probably town

crashed hard last night and trying to process shit, but this is not a bad list at all (a lot of the crumpet!thread reads are stale for me though)

re: the claim earlier: i was expecting skitter to come back w/ something about how her ability is sensitive about who is where, and that's why she specifically didn't want annie over in the other thread but didn't mind if others went. like it's obvious she was crumbing something that was only active elsewhere - i knew that and everyone knew that from early on and wasn't what i meant when i thought her specific objection to annie looked town.

Watcher doesn't jibe w/ that hypothesis (it's also insanely strong coupled w/ IC as cabd pointed out) and this is the one post I am hung up on w/ it:

i would like superbowl or fire more

i have some thoughts on this but i'd like to know why you were ok w/ sending fire there

-b

[Deacon Blues]

my gut reaction is that i'm ok leaving her up and just not turnstyling her until i know a little more, though

-b

[Deacon Blues]

that was a town <redacted> from unwnd and it's unlikely anyone's going to convince me otherwise

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Gonna go with my gut and say Flavor is scum.

probably +town for gamma*? not many defenders of gamma ITT and alienating the loudest of them obviously makes life a little more difficult in the short term

*generally don't consider gamma to be the sort of "relying on my WIFOM in this case to double fake you" type of player here based on limited experience

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I think I want the wine club (assuming that means cabd and co.) to tell me if this reminds them of anything. A certain pop star who doth protest too much about the old guard, methinks?

i wasn't in that game but from what i read TS was using that as a crutch to like avoid having any stances or interactions w/ people and i don't feel like that's what's happening here

-b

[Deacon Blues]

as an aside, i'm the one showing up to the wine club parties with a fucking 30 of miller high life so i can probably keep it a little realer w/ people than a lot of my contemporaries in that a lot of the time _I_ don't even know what they're talking about and ffery has to translate

-b

[Deacon Blues]

pookinator

what's good

-b

[Deacon Blues]

@Dandelion,

Visit Darmok tonight? I'm totally frazzled but I think I gotta.

[Deacon Blues]

I still think it's a meme but superbowl was being insistent so i was like whatever

i mean annie was also being insistent

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i was much louder than annie about being turnstiled. but most people were literally ignoring my screaming. then i gave up.

you entered the game w/ a hard claim and that's just not something i would ever consider doing as town who thought i was ever going to get to use that role, so we're both wary about it.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

@Dandelion,

Visit Darmok tonight? I'm totally frazzled but I think I gotta.

Sadly. Not tonight. Tomorrow.

Worry about your damn house and home. I'm on kiddo duty while the keebler elf wife cranks out Christmas candy batches.

I'm going on 24 hours billed in the last 36. I don't think I have the spoons to be deep enough to play keep away on my notes.

we've decided it makes more sense not to darmok it.

still would like to discuss in real time so when it works for you

[Deacon Blues]

@deacon hydra how are you feeling on dandelion wine again?

ffery is probably 95% T, i'm probably about 70% but I am a more conservative / less trusting player in general; they're being reasonable and ceph in particular is hunting pretty well, but have some things going on that I don't have access to that I may have clarity on in subsequent days if I've seen what I think I have. I'm not worried they townbinned us early; I think cabd knows what to look for w/ both of our slots and we're not the hardest duo in the world to read

-b

[Deacon Blues]

because i really think everyone should be voting nullreads because looking at the VC we have like no pressure of Elim on anyone and we are almost at 150 pages of day 1. Which is kind of crazy.

i have some votes I want to make and ffery would like to wait and so i shall

people should keep in mind that there are a fuckton of votes to go around and people will end up at E-2 a lot quicker than they might think

-b

[Deacon Blues]

can I get a cliffnotes of whats going on here?

skitter claim forward-watcher
fb claim forward odd-night cop
gamma claim reverse bg on the record
we are purple room w/ imperium

otherwise its been a fuckton of yelling

-b

[Deacon Blues]

midway still seems self-assured when he posts and i am taking that as a good sign, as someone who has recently-ish shared a scum pt w/ him.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i can't read FL for shit

-b

[Deacon Blues]

@deacon hydra how are you feeling on dandelion wine again?

ffery is probably 95% T, i'm probably about 70% but I am a more conservative / less trusting player in general; they're being reasonable and ceph in particular is hunting pretty well, but have some things going on that I don't have access to that I may have clarity on in subsequent days if I've seen what I think I have. I'm not worried they townbinned us early; I think cabd knows what to look for w/ both of our slots and we're not the hardest duo in the world to read

-b

I'm all in on dandelion town. it's not a percentage thing. It's a trust/paranoia switch.

[Deacon Blues]

hmm, you're not the first person to voice this sentiment:

Flavor has gained another lackey in this thread then?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Pooky are you happy to be here with the barbarians?

[Deacon Blues]

I'm all in on dandelion town. it's not a percentage thing. It's a trust/paranoia switch.

ok then i'm outsourcing the read to u and i'll assume they're town
(and it's largely because i townread bork, not because i townread you, to be clear)

whoever you can read, I guess. it's one role pm.

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he's calling pisskop town but not trying to stop the turnstile

i guess the Q is do you think FL is internalizing a goal of "stopping town coming here = good", because i feel like that's a necessary part of calling this cog-dis

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Pooky are you happy to be here with the barbarians?

I am always happy to be with you fiery


I also have a lot more time to play rn

<3 fiery has become one of my favorite nicknames.

I asked because you made 87 posts in 5 days in crumpet land. and 18 in about an hour here in wine country.

[Deacon Blues]

the primary win-con is to clear forward of bad guys.

why forward in particular?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

pisskop's 1822 and 1877 are interesting when taken together

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Isn't that the decision we made as a game?

i saw murmurings of it sure but i think this thread has primarily kinda not given a shit about that largely; it's at least not been a primary focus of our day-to-day

He is not going for the Mech-win here

tbf i looked at the mech-win early and decided it was going to be fucking really hard to do that; it requires nearly perfect D1-D2 assessment of the gamestate (like even being off by 1 too many in one thread and one too few by another likely locks you out of it)

we sent annie over anyway, and that was to stop the clusterfuck between them/noraa, but i'm starting to be of the mindset that we should just send PRs over of people we think are town who have claimed active elsewhere

-b

[Deacon Blues]

we have to send you guys people too; if even one is wrong then ????

-b

[Deacon Blues]

is this a thing town FL would ever do?

i mean either way it's stupid but

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Just like Alisae’s flip in Ilicit Substances.

alisae flailed against that elim with every fiber of eir being and made a lot of people commit or back off

now anyone just gets to say "self vote? lol policy"

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I don’t entirely disagree Flavor doesn’t seem a bit weird here, but that’s not my post, that’s debbie’s. At this point we’re both tagging based on baked snack brands (Debbie tags LD for Little Debbie, I tag as BCCorp which is based on Betty Cocker but also a reference to the initial inspiration for this hydra)
I can understand if you’re just referring to the hydra slot by my name since I’m the primary poster rn, but if you’re treating all posts as mine, pls don’t. While I likely won’t explode like I did at superb I will get very annoyed.

my bad

-b

[Deacon Blues]

pretty sure that's E-1

-b

[Deacon Blues]

oh oops I thought FL's self wasnt counted that was E-1, so E-2 now

i was gonna let you run w/ it oh well

-b

[Deacon Blues]

How the fuck do I even read this shit from flavor? Greetings from the nursery rocking chair.

hellifino. I thought I had the market cornered on fatalism.

[Deacon Blues]

the forward thread is going to love you all and definitely want you to turnstile over after cutting them down to 48 hours.

[Deacon Blues]

Nacho in particular.

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heh. bork wanted to (un)vote midwaybear before this shitstorm happened. I told him to hold off because I wanted to see if Firebringer's (un)vote on us went anywhere.

[Deacon Blues]

heh. bork wanted to (un)vote midwaybear before this shitstorm happened. I told him to hold off because I wanted to see if Firebringer's (un)vote on us went anywhere.

Was it supposed to? I don't townread u two.

It's the only wagon on this timestream where I 100% know the color of the role card. Seeing if/who moved with you would have been free data.

[Deacon Blues]

highly unlikely the setup would have brian's role in a timstream with 2 scum in it

very possible that town PRs ended up in a specific spot to start, then scum picked, then the VT/VTs filled in the gaps where they didn't pick
(like assume skitter is town; skitter basically has to start in the timestream that she is inactive in or it's too strong)

that's probably how i'd have done it as a mod

also depends on whether brian is town or scum aligned

actually fuck i just had another thought but i'm not outing it

-b

[Deacon Blues]

lets be real

FL flips red

I get shot tonight

You will pretend you didn't defend him. But Noraa will remember and kill you in my memory.

Who is "you"?

[Deacon Blues]

lets be real

FL flips red

I get shot tonight

You will pretend you didn't defend him. But Noraa will remember and kill you in my memory.

Who is "you"?

Pooky?

[Deacon Blues]

n/m